Pastor Mike Signorelli brings bold, Bible-based teaching to help believers walk faithfully in today’s often compromised world
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| Mike Signorelli - Hugh Ross Interview (Part 1) | January 27, 2026
- How many people claim
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- To get saved, but their cravings never change.
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- You can scroll on your phone
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- For four hours, but you can't spend four minutes in prayer.
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- Something's gotta change because you say.
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- If it was about me, i would keep scrolling.
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- But it's about this density, so let me destroy.
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- Oh, come on, somebody.
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- Oh, oh oh.
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- So we're going to have
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- An incredible conversation and we're just going to jump right in.
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- But i wanted to first acknowledge our true guest of honor, jesus christ.
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- And we just honored jesus christ. and.
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- The presence of the holy spirit has been so strong.
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- And i just sense that he's doing something very special here.
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- And of course, doctor hugh ross is team and we honor them.
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- And, they're doing so, so much hard work.
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- And and so we want to, get to maybe get to some of those questions,
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- But selfishly, i'm going to ask my questions
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- And let me give you a little bit of the backstory.
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- But before i do, let's pray now that the room is sort of settled.
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- Let's pray.
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- Heavenly father, i thank you for your presence in our midst.
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- And god, i know that as every question is asked,
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- Lord, that there are long standing questions in our mind, things
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- That many of us here have struggled with doubt, anxiety, worry, fear, apprehension.
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- Many of us here have wrestled with our faith.
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- Like jacob,
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- We've been wrestling through the night and the night seasons of our lives.
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- And lord, i know that in the midst of that, you do have the answers.
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- But more so than that, you're also going to deal with our heart.
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- And we give you permission, father, to deal with our heart and father,
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- There are many disciples here who are laying a foundation.
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- And lord, maybe the cracks are going to be exposed that need to be filled.
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- And lord, that you're going to build a firm foundation
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- So that we can build in, in the seasons to come.
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- And father, we just glorify you.
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- We magnify you, and we give you all the credit for what happens tonight.
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- Everybody said, in jesus name, amen, amen.
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- So we've got him here.
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- And i know
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- Everybody's like, okay, stop talking, let's get to business.
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- But i want to just start by by reiterating my story.
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- Many of you know it, but i was raised in church.
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- Many of you know, my mother and i was quite frankly, forced to go to church.
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- I was one of those kids where you didn't have a choice.
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- And i became the first college educated person on both sides of my family.
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- And so as i begin to attend a big,
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- Big ten university, i was exposed to many different ideas.
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- And i actually had the cliche professor of biology who got up in front
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- Of the entire classroom and said, god does not exist,
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- And i'm going to devote this entire semester to proving it to you.
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- And over the course of that semester, it worked.
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- And i begin to deconstruct my faith.
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- And essentially that started my sophomore year of college.
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- And for the next two years, i went on a really intense journey
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- Of trying to determine what do i believe?
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- But i abandoned christianity, and as fate would have it,
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- I moved into a house at the corner of atwater and jordan
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- By the school of music in in iu bloomington,
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- And i got randomly come on, say it in air quotes.
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- I had one of my roommates was a guy named lamont king black.
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- This is his real name, which is an epic name,
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- And he had devoted his life to apologetics.
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- He devoted his life to theology.
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- And when he found out that i used to be this hardcore christian who loved god,
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- But that i had deconstructed and i had left the faith, he
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- He began to ask me, well, what is it?
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- And we started going on this journey and a particular point in our discussion.
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- He said, oh, you need to read doctor.
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- He, ross and i said, well, what do you mean?
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- He said, he's an astrophysicist and he's written all these books.
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- And so i begin to read, you know, his books, and i'll never forget
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- Getting to a point and where essentially one of your books, you checkmated me
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- And i was like, oh, no, i'm wrong.
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- And and the christian faith is true.
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- And it is right. and i just begin to weep.
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- And those tear stained pages of your book,
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- And there's a young mike signally, that makes a journey back to christ.
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- And lamont actually prayed that prayer with me in that house
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- At the corner of atwater and jordan, and i gave my life back to christ.
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- And it was funny because right after that, i met this curly headed girl
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- Named julie ra.
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- And it was soon after that that we got engaged and we got married.
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- And then i was ordained in ministry a couple of years later.
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- And so i just want to sincerely thank you, because you've been a hero in the faith.
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- You've been a mentor from a distance.
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- I've gleaned from your books, i've pored over your books
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- And and then a couple of years ago, i invited you to my youtube channel,
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- And we talked about aliens and all kinds of weird nerd stuff, which i love.
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- And it went mega viral
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- Like many, many millions of views and short form content and long.
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- And so in many ways, this is part two.
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- So, doctor hugh ross, thank you for coming to manhattan for v1 church.
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- Thank you for leading me back to christ.
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- Thank you for the work that you do. and welcome.
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- Oh, it's been my pleasure. thank.
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- Okay, so that's the story.
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- I didn't cry, i'm proud of myself.
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- I cried backstage, but we're just going to jump into it tonight.
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- Is that all right?
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- Okay.
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- So you've got a new book, noah's flood revisited.
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- And many of us were in sunday school.
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- We did the coloring book version of noah's flood.
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- I'm just going to start by simply asking you noah's flood fact or fiction?
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- Fact.
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- Like did it really happen?
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- And, maybe you can go a little bit deeper about about this, the story noah's flood.
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- Oh, the reason i wrote the book is noah's flood
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- In genesis is the most ridiculed part of the entire bible.
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- Yeah, it's a number one reason why people reject the bible
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- As the inspired word of god. so i said, hey,
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- I need to write a book showing people this is not just an allegory.
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- This is actually true chronological history.
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- And it's more scientifically defensible today than it was two years ago.
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- Five years ago, and ten years ago.
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- So the book is packed with recent scientific discoveries
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- That really leave no doubt this is an historical account
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- Has a chronological it's historically and scientifically true, and hopefully
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- A lot of people will now have confidence that the bible really is god's word.
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- Wow, isn't that encouraging?
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- And you know, this this phenomenon continues to happen.
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- And this was actually what led me back to christ.
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- It was modern discoveries in science that continue to prove
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- The hebrew account of creation and various different biblical narratives.
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- So can maybe we go a little bit deeper, because i think that skeptics
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- Look at the story of noah's flood, and they say, well, this is a mean god.
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- This is an angry god. this is a vengeful god.
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- But could could
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- There be a deeper revelation of god's justice and mercy in noah's flood?
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- You know, i'm actually make the point.
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- This is an example of god's mercy.
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- This is a time when murder was rising out of control.
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- I show in the book that the murder rate was above 95%.
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- Humanity was in danger of self extermination.
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- God had to step in to rescue humanity from wiping itself out.
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- And so that's what he did.
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- It's a principle you see throughout the entire bible,
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- Whenever a human civilization becomes reprobate or evil,
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- Just like a surgeon says, hey, you got a stage four tumor,
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- I need to take it out of your body, otherwise your whole body will be infected
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- By christ.
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- God says, hey, i have a whole city or nation becomes reprobate.
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- It must be removed to save the rest of humanity.
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- The good news is it's in the new testament area.
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- It can't happen.
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- When jesus rose from the dead, when the holy spirit,
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- For the first time permanently indwell followers of jesus christ,
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- They became the salt of the earth, preventing societal reformation.
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- Because skeptics will often say, well, the god of the new testament
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- Is different than the god of the old testament.
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- He's not.
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- The difference is, humanity has changed.
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- Oh, isn't so good, but isn't that good?
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- If you're near one of our campuses,
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- I want to give you a personal invitation to check out v1 church.
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- There's no way i can describe the atmosphere of revival in the experience.
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- If you've never driven up or driven in, you know,
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- Let me just tell you it's a powerful atmosphere and a bunch of
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- People who really love the lord and want to get to know you.
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- So let us know when you're coming and i'll see you at v1 church.
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- So when we look at
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- Noah's flood, you had reference these modern scientific discoveries.
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- Can we go a little bit deeper into that?
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- Because i'm really intrigued.
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- How many of you are going to get the book, by the way?
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- You know, i want to create an appetite in you to to go deeper
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- In your journey, but i'd love to hear more about those discoveries.
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- Well, i wanted to write the book a decade ago, but i said,
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- I'm going to wait until we can nail down
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- What scientific certainty events of genesis ten and 11.
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- And this is post-flood when god basically deals with humanity's
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- Rebellion for the same, we're going to stay in one place and god says,
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- I'm going to scatter you over the whole the land masses of the earth
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- For the first time.
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- We can accurately date when that scattering occurred.
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- And what's amazing is it's simultaneous all over northern europe, southern europe,
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- Australia, tasmania, you know, borneo and japan,
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- Western africa, they're all colonized at the same time.
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- So it basically demonstrates god's word of god.
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- Right?
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- So the only time in human history where you see that kind of aggressive
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- Simultaneous migration and colonization, now that we've got accurate dates
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- For that, that establishes noah's flood must predate that.
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- And the dates basically remove all the scientific challenges
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- To taking the bible as god's inerrant word.
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- Okay, this is okay.
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- Now, i know that you're not afraid of scandal.
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- You've referenced the dates.
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- Now, this is actually one of the things that that i needed to reconcile.
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- In my mind, going way back to the early 2000s
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- When i first started reading your books, the big breakthrough for me
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- Was understanding the the actual age of the earth.
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- Right.
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- So do you mind maybe stepping in that direction lovingly
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- And helping people understand to to corroborate
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- This evidence, we have to really, truly believe,
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- Something about the timeline of the existence of our universe.
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- Right. well, what attracted me to the christian faith?
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- I was not raised in a christian home.
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- I actually studied the other religions of the world.
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- First of all, what i notice about the bible
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- Is it taught a two creation model with two revelations from god.
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- He reveals himself through the book of scripture.
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- He also reveals himself through the book of nature and they cooperate one another.
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- Now, you asked me about the age of the earth.
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- As an astrophysicist.
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- I would say, well, we got that nailed down to five places at the decimal 4.5662
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- Billion years ago, plus or -0.0001 billion.
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- And it's like, how does that square with the bible?
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- Well, when i first picked up the bible at age 17
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- And began to go through genesis one, i said, number one,
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- The hebrew word for day here must have at least three distinct,
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- Literal definitions, because three are used in the text.
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- So with creation day one, it uses the word day for the daylight
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- Hours, creation day for its contrasting seasons, days and years.
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- That's a day as 24 hours.
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- But in genesis two four
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- It uses the same word day for the entirety of creation history.
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- So as a day as a long period of time,
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- I also notice the first six creation days and with an evening morning phrase
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- Basically telling me each day has a definite start
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- Time, each day has a definite end time.
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- But you get to creation. day seven.
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- There's no evening, morning phrase implying we're still in god's seventh day.
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- That's explicitly stated in psalm 95 and hebrews four.
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- For to live our lives in such a way that we can enter into god's seventh day
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- And notice,
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- God creates for
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- Six days, he ceases from his work of creation,
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- And he will create again in the new creation.
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- The eighth day is coming.
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- But what god does in the seventh day, and we're to model
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- What god does for to work six days on the seventh day, or to focus
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- On the most important issues of life, which you see in scripture.
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- God begins his works of redemption before he creates anything at all.
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- For six days he creates.
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- What does he do?
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- In the seventh day, he redeems and tells us in romans eight,
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- When the full number of humans that god intends to
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- Redeem have been redeemed, he will create again.
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- The day is coming.
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- So as a young man, i never saw any contradiction
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- Between the book of scripture and the book of nature.
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- They're saying the same thing.
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- They clobbering one another.
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- You know the fact that genesis one describes all of creation events
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- And the correct scientific order and correctly describes them?
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- It's the only book
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- Of all the ancient religions of the world that gets everything right.
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- The best i found outside of the bible only got two of the 14, right?
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- The bible gets everything right.
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- That was my first clue.
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- This book did not come from a mere human being.
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- It was inspired by the one that actually did the creation deeds.
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- Thank you.
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- So that what you what
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- He just said was when i rededicated my life back to christ.
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- And let me tell you why i had read the hindu vedas.
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- I read the koran.
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- And as i begin to read each other major world religions book, it was easily
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- Debunked from a scientific perspective, from a historic perspective.
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- And so my thought was, if i could simply do that to the bible, then
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- I am free from any obligation to ever be a christian for the rest of my life.
- 00:15:02.988 --> 00:15:07.192
- So remember when i talked about him checkmating me?
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- He just did it again,
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- Because i was basically reading that
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- In one of his books and i realized, oh no, if
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- If the hebrew kind of creation is true as recorded in scripture
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- And the bible is reliable, then everything else in scripture is also true.
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- And then i have one decision do i submit or rebel?
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- See that?
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- That's ultimately why many of you are here tonight,
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- Because you'll be put in a crossroads to determine whether you're going
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- To submit to the authority of scriptures and my conversion stories the same.
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- I basically realize, okay, hindu, vedas, koran,
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- Buddhist commentaries, they all get the science wrong.
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- The bible gets everything right.
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- It even predicts future scientific discoveries thousands of years
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- Ahead of time.
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- Yeah, kind of brought me to the same point of decision.
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- What do i do with this?
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- Do i reject it or do i give my life to christ?
- 00:16:05.384 --> 00:16:08.754
- And i realize that this is true, and more reliable than the laws of physics.
- 00:16:10.255 --> 00:16:13.258
- I trust i have to give my life to christ.
- 00:16:13.258 --> 00:16:16.495
- So. wow, is that amazing?
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- More reliable than the laws of physics.
- 00:16:20.766 --> 00:16:23.035
- I love that line. you know,
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- If you want to continue to go deeper on this, i know that we're we're
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- Talking about the scientific evidence that god created the universe.
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- We're talking about the date and the age of the universe.
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- And, if we were to kind of, like, continue to flesh that out, i mean, there's
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- Probably some people here
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- Who are struggling that they're still in, you know, wrestling with doubt.
- 00:16:42.388 --> 00:16:46.392
- And i remember reading about you making the presentation about the how
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- And the new miracle certainty of god creating,
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- I don't know if you'd be willing to kind of share that.
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- Well, i was studying the bible the same time that physicists
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- Were developing the first of the space time series,
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- Which basically states, if the universe contains mass
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- And the general relativity reliably describes the movements
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- Of massive bodies in the universe, space and time
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- After the beginning of space and time are created,
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- Which implies there must be an agent beyond space and time
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- That created a universe of matter, energy, space, and time.
- 00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:29.802
- So when a scientist says, i want to see scientific evidence
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- For a miracle, i said, what bigger miracle can you actually require
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- Than the coming into existence of all the physical reality?
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- God can do that.
- 00:17:41.113 --> 00:17:42.314
- He can do all that smaller miracles.
- 00:17:42.314 --> 00:17:45.284
- Wow. can you imagine?
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- So yeah. that's incredible. and so,
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- You know what?
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- Okay.
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- Because i want to keep pointing back to the book,
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- As you talked about these recent discoveries.
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- And, i feel like noah's flood
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- Is a theme that just continues to, to come up in culture right now.
- 00:17:58.630 --> 00:18:02.367
- Have you guys all been picking up on that?
- 00:18:02.367 --> 00:18:04.369
- Rick renner has been writing about it extensively.
- 00:18:04.369 --> 00:18:06.972
- People have been visiting the site.
- 00:18:06.972 --> 00:18:08.674
- Anthony mitchell's talking about it.
- 00:18:08.674 --> 00:18:10.809
- It's like, you know, so many diverse voices
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- In the body of christ are talking about, noah's flood right now.
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- What are some of those recent scientific discoveries?
- 00:18:16.949 --> 00:18:20.285
- Well, number one, we can date when this great scattering
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- Humanity happened, described in genesis ten and 11.
- 00:18:24.423 --> 00:18:27.092
- Yeah, those dates come in at 40 to 50,000 years ago,
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- Which implies noah's flood must predate that.
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- If it predates that, we don't have a genetic challenge
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- To all of humanity coming from eight people onboard noah's ark, and then people
- 00:18:39.138 --> 00:18:42.841
- Wondering, well, could people that far back actually build a boat of that size?
- 00:18:44.376 --> 00:18:47.546
- Well, just before this book went to press a paper published where they discovered
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- These big thick ropes in the southern islands of indonesia,
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- And realizing these had to be ropes for large ships
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- Going from indonesia to australia over 3 or 400ft long.
- 00:19:01.660 --> 00:19:05.497
- So basically showing your people that far back pretty could build boats that big.
- 00:19:07.132 --> 00:19:10.302
- And people were saying, well, you know, what's this go for?
- 00:19:11.503 --> 00:19:13.605
- Would, notice the old testament mentions 20,
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- 21 different kinds of hardwood.
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- Go for what is not identified for the fact that the bible mentions
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- 21 other different kinds.
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- The hard one tells us go for
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- What has a higher strength index than acacia would have.
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- It does.
- 00:19:31.089 --> 00:19:33.158
- You can easily have a wooden boat 450ft long, which has been a primary challenge.
- 00:19:33.158 --> 00:19:37.162
- People saying no one can build a boat that big, we know they can.
- 00:19:38.363 --> 00:19:41.567
- And then now you know, what about the animals on board the ark?
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- Seven different hebrew words are used in genesis six
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- And seven and eight for the animals on board noah's ark.
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- If you look at all seven words, it's basically talking about a bizarre nefesh,
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- Which means the animals domesticated by humans
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- And the total number of animals pairs would have been domesticated
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- By humans would be under 300, which means
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- The ark is plenty of big enough to house all those animals.
- 00:20:08.727 --> 00:20:11.997
- And again, you look at the bible text on judgment.
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- The only animals that can be negatively impacted
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- By human sin are the animals that we can domesticate
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- For agricultural purposes, and we make us pets.
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- Which is why it says in the old testament of a cow has a habit
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- Of curing other animals.
- 00:20:30.182 --> 00:20:31.717
- And that continues and the owner is rebuked that that continues.
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- Then the cow must be killed, and the owner along with it, making the point.
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- The human is responsible for that animal behaving in that way.
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- But don't worry about cockroaches.
- 00:20:44.930 --> 00:20:46.565
- Your sin is not going to affect the behavior of a car much.
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- That's so.
- 00:20:51.103 --> 00:20:53.171
- Doesn't that satiate so many questions you've had?
- 00:20:53.171 --> 00:20:56.475
- Because when all you have is coloring book christianity, you.
- 00:20:57.643 --> 00:20:59.911
- I mean that that version of noah's ark just seems so absolutely ridiculous that
- 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:05.150
- In some ways it makes you almost ashamed to call yourself a christian.
- 00:21:06.551 --> 00:21:08.754
- But when you actually look at the text, you go back to the hebrew words.
- 00:21:10.222 --> 00:21:12.357
- You understand the historic context.
- 00:21:13.125 --> 00:21:14.393
- It all starts making a lot more sense.
- 00:21:14.393 --> 00:21:16.161
- Here's the question that i've been dying to ask you
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- Is it a local flood or a global flood?
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- Well, what i talk about in this book, it's not local,
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- It's not global, it's worldwide.
- 00:21:27.639 --> 00:21:29.841
- But you see, in second peter two, the world of ungodly people was flooded.
- 00:21:29.841 --> 00:21:34.846
- So the flood extended as far as ungodly people lived.
- 00:21:35.914 --> 00:21:38.817
- Well, i think we can be assured there were no ungodly people
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- Living in antarctica, so there's no need for god to flood antarctica.
- 00:21:42.087 --> 00:21:46.391
- There's no need for noah to take on board of penguins,
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- Because they wouldn't have been damaged by human sin.
- 00:21:51.229 --> 00:21:52.831
- God's judgment only goes as far as the,
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- You know, the iniquity of human, evil.
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- Just like a surgeon limits his operations,
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- To the extent, the, you know, the metastases.
- 00:22:04.209 --> 00:22:06.712
- And the bible actually uses that word for human sin.
- 00:22:07.779 --> 00:22:10.182
- It operates when it's in danger of metastasizing because at one point,
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- We have abraham saying, i know you're going to wipe out
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- Sodom and gomorrah, but what about these wicked ammonites?
- 00:22:17.522 --> 00:22:21.059
- God says the wickedness has not yet reached its fullness.
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- I will not touch them.
- 00:22:24.896 --> 00:22:26.164
- But he did take out the sodomites
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- Because they were in danger of infecting the rest of humanity.
- 00:22:28.066 --> 00:22:31.470
- So it's the world of ungodly people was flooded.
- 00:22:32.471 --> 00:22:34.272
- Now i believe they inhabited a large region of the world,
- 00:22:34.272 --> 00:22:37.542
- But there were no humans in north america or south
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- America or australia at that time.
- 00:22:40.412 --> 00:22:43.415
- We're basically talking the near and middle east,
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- Maybe parts of eastern africa.
- 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.087
- That's still a really huge flood, which is why i'm saying here
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- We're talking previous to 40 to 50,000 years ago.
- 00:22:54.126 --> 00:22:56.361
- That puts it during the last ice age when you got enormous melt events
- 00:22:57.763 --> 00:23:01.233
- That could easily have produced a really vast flood.
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- Okay. did you pick up on that?
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- So once you move away from a localized flood,
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- But also you move away from a global flood and you now say it's worldwide
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- And it's god's judgment upon those who, you know, we're in that equation.
- 00:24:00.992 --> 00:24:05.697
- And then the record would also seem to indicate
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- That even from like a archeological perspective, right.
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- When you look at the layers, you say, can you maybe talk a little bit
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- More about that, like the with the melting is it's all that
- 00:24:15.373 --> 00:24:20.245
- It's it would corroborate your version of this, interpretation.
- 00:24:21.446 --> 00:24:25.350
- Well, people think the last ice age was a period
- 00:24:26.318 --> 00:24:27.719
- Where you just had thousands of feet of ice covering,
- 00:24:27.719 --> 00:24:31.323
- You know, a lot of the land masses, for, you know, almost 100,000 years.
- 00:24:32.757 --> 00:24:35.961
- The truth is, the previous last ice age had heat, melted vents.
- 00:24:37.162 --> 00:24:41.266
- In other words, where you got thousands of feet, thickness of ice melting
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- And then refreezing, melting and refreezing.
- 00:24:46.204 --> 00:24:48.573
- Think about the ice shrinking and expanding.
- 00:24:49.474 --> 00:24:51.243
- And if you get that kind of a melt event, you get a lot of water.
- 00:24:51.243 --> 00:24:55.213
- Explains why the flood lasted a whole year.
- 00:24:56.114 --> 00:24:58.016
- Because the only way you can last that long is if you got a lot of ice.
- 00:24:58.016 --> 00:25:01.486
- It's melting, replacing the water flowing out into the ocean.
- 00:25:01.486 --> 00:25:05.624
- Wow. that amazing.
- 00:25:06.057 --> 00:25:08.293
- Wow. so i want to do a few things because i think this is fun.
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- Are you all enjoying this?
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- By the way, time is flying by. by the way.
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- I'm like, enthralled.
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- And again, this is just, been so enriching.
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- So if you had to,
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- And i'm
- 00:25:25.677 --> 00:25:27.078
- Going to challenge you, but i know you're up for it.
- 00:25:27.078 --> 00:25:29.548
- And so if you had to try to convince an atheist
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- Somebody who's struggling in 60s, what with all the expansive
- 00:25:32.751 --> 00:25:38.123
- Knowledge that you have, of course you've been delving into noah's flood.
- 00:25:39.558 --> 00:25:42.294
- You've written about so many different aspects of unbelief.
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- But if you were to look at somebody in 60s who struggled with unbelief,
- 00:25:47.365 --> 00:25:49.968
- With atheism, what what would be the means of communication, what would you say?
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- Well, mike, every day i get atheist on my social media saying
- 00:25:56.241 --> 00:25:59.010
- The flood is a, scientifically provable myth.
- 00:25:59.945 --> 00:26:02.647
- I say, well, is this because you think the bible teaches
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- That flood is global and happened just a few thousand years ago?
- 00:26:08.053 --> 00:26:10.388
- If you actually read all the texts in the bible, not just those in genesis,
- 00:26:11.856 --> 00:26:15.493
- There's more content on noah's flood outside of genesis and in genesis.
- 00:26:16.861 --> 00:26:20.532
- If you read all that, you'll discover the bible puts the date
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- A lot earlier and really talks about a worldwide flood.
- 00:26:25.637 --> 00:26:28.573
- But a global flood.
- 00:26:29.040 --> 00:26:29.941
- Once you understand that,
- 00:26:29.941 --> 00:26:31.676
- They say, okay, no longer does science have an objection to that,
- 00:26:31.676 --> 00:26:34.746
- And then they begin to ask because of questions on other subjects.
- 00:26:36.047 --> 00:26:38.183
- Come on. wasn't that good?
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