Mike Signorelli - Hugh Ross Interview (Part 1)

January 27, 2026 | 27:29

Pastor Mike Signorelli brings bold, Bible-based teaching to help believers walk faithfully in today’s often compromised world

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| Mike Signorelli - Hugh Ross Interview (Part 1) | January 27, 2026
  • How many people claim
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  • To get saved, but their cravings never change.
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  • You can scroll on your phone
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  • For four hours, but you can't spend four minutes in prayer.
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  • Something's gotta change because you say.
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  • If it was about me, i would keep scrolling.
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  • But it's about this density, so let me destroy.
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  • Oh, come on, somebody.
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  • Oh, oh oh.
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  • So we're going to have
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  • An incredible conversation and we're just going to jump right in.
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  • But i wanted to first acknowledge our true guest of honor, jesus christ.
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  • And we just honored jesus christ. and.
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  • The presence of the holy spirit has been so strong.
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  • And i just sense that he's doing something very special here.
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  • And of course, doctor hugh ross is team and we honor them.
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  • And, they're doing so, so much hard work.
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  • And and so we want to, get to maybe get to some of those questions,
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  • But selfishly, i'm going to ask my questions
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  • And let me give you a little bit of the backstory.
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  • But before i do, let's pray now that the room is sort of settled.
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  • Let's pray.
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  • Heavenly father, i thank you for your presence in our midst.
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  • And god, i know that as every question is asked,
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  • Lord, that there are long standing questions in our mind, things
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  • That many of us here have struggled with doubt, anxiety, worry, fear, apprehension.
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  • Many of us here have wrestled with our faith.
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  • Like jacob,
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  • We've been wrestling through the night and the night seasons of our lives.
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  • And lord, i know that in the midst of that, you do have the answers.
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  • But more so than that, you're also going to deal with our heart.
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  • And we give you permission, father, to deal with our heart and father,
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  • There are many disciples here who are laying a foundation.
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  • And lord, maybe the cracks are going to be exposed that need to be filled.
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  • And lord, that you're going to build a firm foundation
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  • So that we can build in, in the seasons to come.
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  • And father, we just glorify you.
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  • We magnify you, and we give you all the credit for what happens tonight.
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  • Everybody said, in jesus name, amen, amen.
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  • So we've got him here.
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  • And i know
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  • Everybody's like, okay, stop talking, let's get to business.
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  • But i want to just start by by reiterating my story.
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  • Many of you know it, but i was raised in church.
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  • Many of you know, my mother and i was quite frankly, forced to go to church.
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  • I was one of those kids where you didn't have a choice.
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  • And i became the first college educated person on both sides of my family.
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  • And so as i begin to attend a big,
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  • Big ten university, i was exposed to many different ideas.
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  • And i actually had the cliche professor of biology who got up in front
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  • Of the entire classroom and said, god does not exist,
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  • And i'm going to devote this entire semester to proving it to you.
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  • And over the course of that semester, it worked.
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  • And i begin to deconstruct my faith.
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  • And essentially that started my sophomore year of college.
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  • And for the next two years, i went on a really intense journey
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  • Of trying to determine what do i believe?
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  • But i abandoned christianity, and as fate would have it,
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  • I moved into a house at the corner of atwater and jordan
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  • By the school of music in in iu bloomington,
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  • And i got randomly come on, say it in air quotes.
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  • I had one of my roommates was a guy named lamont king black.
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  • This is his real name, which is an epic name,
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  • And he had devoted his life to apologetics.
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  • He devoted his life to theology.
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  • And when he found out that i used to be this hardcore christian who loved god,
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  • But that i had deconstructed and i had left the faith, he
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  • He began to ask me, well, what is it?
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  • And we started going on this journey and a particular point in our discussion.
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  • He said, oh, you need to read doctor.
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  • He, ross and i said, well, what do you mean?
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  • He said, he's an astrophysicist and he's written all these books.
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  • And so i begin to read, you know, his books, and i'll never forget
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  • Getting to a point and where essentially one of your books, you checkmated me
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  • And i was like, oh, no, i'm wrong.
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  • And and the christian faith is true.
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  • And it is right. and i just begin to weep.
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  • And those tear stained pages of your book,
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  • And there's a young mike signally, that makes a journey back to christ.
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  • And lamont actually prayed that prayer with me in that house
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  • At the corner of atwater and jordan, and i gave my life back to christ.
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  • And it was funny because right after that, i met this curly headed girl
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  • Named julie ra.
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  • And it was soon after that that we got engaged and we got married.
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  • And then i was ordained in ministry a couple of years later.
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  • And so i just want to sincerely thank you, because you've been a hero in the faith.
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  • You've been a mentor from a distance.
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  • I've gleaned from your books, i've pored over your books
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  • And and then a couple of years ago, i invited you to my youtube channel,
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  • And we talked about aliens and all kinds of weird nerd stuff, which i love.
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  • And it went mega viral
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  • Like many, many millions of views and short form content and long.
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  • And so in many ways, this is part two.
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  • So, doctor hugh ross, thank you for coming to manhattan for v1 church.
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  • Thank you for leading me back to christ.
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  • Thank you for the work that you do. and welcome.
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  • Oh, it's been my pleasure. thank.
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  • Okay, so that's the story.
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  • I didn't cry, i'm proud of myself.
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  • I cried backstage, but we're just going to jump into it tonight.
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  • Is that all right?
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  • Okay.
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  • So you've got a new book, noah's flood revisited.
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  • And many of us were in sunday school.
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  • We did the coloring book version of noah's flood.
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  • I'm just going to start by simply asking you noah's flood fact or fiction?
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  • Fact.
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  • Like did it really happen?
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  • And, maybe you can go a little bit deeper about about this, the story noah's flood.
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  • Oh, the reason i wrote the book is noah's flood
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  • In genesis is the most ridiculed part of the entire bible.
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  • Yeah, it's a number one reason why people reject the bible
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  • As the inspired word of god. so i said, hey,
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  • I need to write a book showing people this is not just an allegory.
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  • This is actually true chronological history.
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  • And it's more scientifically defensible today than it was two years ago.
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  • Five years ago, and ten years ago.
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  • So the book is packed with recent scientific discoveries
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  • That really leave no doubt this is an historical account
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  • Has a chronological it's historically and scientifically true, and hopefully
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  • A lot of people will now have confidence that the bible really is god's word.
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  • Wow, isn't that encouraging?
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  • And you know, this this phenomenon continues to happen.
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  • And this was actually what led me back to christ.
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  • It was modern discoveries in science that continue to prove
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  • The hebrew account of creation and various different biblical narratives.
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  • So can maybe we go a little bit deeper, because i think that skeptics
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  • Look at the story of noah's flood, and they say, well, this is a mean god.
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  • This is an angry god. this is a vengeful god.
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  • But could could
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  • There be a deeper revelation of god's justice and mercy in noah's flood?
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  • You know, i'm actually make the point.
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  • This is an example of god's mercy.
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  • This is a time when murder was rising out of control.
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  • I show in the book that the murder rate was above 95%.
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  • Humanity was in danger of self extermination.
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  • God had to step in to rescue humanity from wiping itself out.
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  • And so that's what he did.
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  • It's a principle you see throughout the entire bible,
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  • Whenever a human civilization becomes reprobate or evil,
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  • Just like a surgeon says, hey, you got a stage four tumor,
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  • I need to take it out of your body, otherwise your whole body will be infected
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  • By christ.
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  • God says, hey, i have a whole city or nation becomes reprobate.
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  • It must be removed to save the rest of humanity.
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  • The good news is it's in the new testament area.
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  • It can't happen.
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  • When jesus rose from the dead, when the holy spirit,
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  • For the first time permanently indwell followers of jesus christ,
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  • They became the salt of the earth, preventing societal reformation.
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  • Because skeptics will often say, well, the god of the new testament
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  • Is different than the god of the old testament.
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  • He's not.
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  • The difference is, humanity has changed.
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  • Oh, isn't so good, but isn't that good?
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  • If you're near one of our campuses,
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  • I want to give you a personal invitation to check out v1 church.
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  • There's no way i can describe the atmosphere of revival in the experience.
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  • If you've never driven up or driven in, you know,
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  • Let me just tell you it's a powerful atmosphere and a bunch of
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  • People who really love the lord and want to get to know you.
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  • So let us know when you're coming and i'll see you at v1 church.
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  • So when we look at
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  • Noah's flood, you had reference these modern scientific discoveries.
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  • Can we go a little bit deeper into that?
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  • Because i'm really intrigued.
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  • How many of you are going to get the book, by the way?
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  • You know, i want to create an appetite in you to to go deeper
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  • In your journey, but i'd love to hear more about those discoveries.
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  • Well, i wanted to write the book a decade ago, but i said,
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  • I'm going to wait until we can nail down
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  • What scientific certainty events of genesis ten and 11.
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  • And this is post-flood when god basically deals with humanity's
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  • Rebellion for the same, we're going to stay in one place and god says,
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  • I'm going to scatter you over the whole the land masses of the earth
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  • For the first time.
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  • We can accurately date when that scattering occurred.
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  • And what's amazing is it's simultaneous all over northern europe, southern europe,
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  • Australia, tasmania, you know, borneo and japan,
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  • Western africa, they're all colonized at the same time.
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  • So it basically demonstrates god's word of god.
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  • Right?
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  • So the only time in human history where you see that kind of aggressive
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  • Simultaneous migration and colonization, now that we've got accurate dates
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  • For that, that establishes noah's flood must predate that.
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  • And the dates basically remove all the scientific challenges
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  • To taking the bible as god's inerrant word.
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  • Okay, this is okay.
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  • Now, i know that you're not afraid of scandal.
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  • You've referenced the dates.
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  • Now, this is actually one of the things that that i needed to reconcile.
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  • In my mind, going way back to the early 2000s
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  • When i first started reading your books, the big breakthrough for me
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  • Was understanding the the actual age of the earth.
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  • Right.
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  • So do you mind maybe stepping in that direction lovingly
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  • And helping people understand to to corroborate
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  • This evidence, we have to really, truly believe,
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  • Something about the timeline of the existence of our universe.
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  • Right. well, what attracted me to the christian faith?
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  • I was not raised in a christian home.
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  • I actually studied the other religions of the world.
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  • First of all, what i notice about the bible
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  • Is it taught a two creation model with two revelations from god.
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  • He reveals himself through the book of scripture.
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  • He also reveals himself through the book of nature and they cooperate one another.
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  • Now, you asked me about the age of the earth.
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  • As an astrophysicist.
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  • I would say, well, we got that nailed down to five places at the decimal 4.5662
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  • Billion years ago, plus or -0.0001 billion.
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  • And it's like, how does that square with the bible?
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  • Well, when i first picked up the bible at age 17
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  • And began to go through genesis one, i said, number one,
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  • The hebrew word for day here must have at least three distinct,
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  • Literal definitions, because three are used in the text.
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  • So with creation day one, it uses the word day for the daylight
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  • Hours, creation day for its contrasting seasons, days and years.
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  • That's a day as 24 hours.
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  • But in genesis two four
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  • It uses the same word day for the entirety of creation history.
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  • So as a day as a long period of time,
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  • I also notice the first six creation days and with an evening morning phrase
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  • Basically telling me each day has a definite start
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  • Time, each day has a definite end time.
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  • But you get to creation. day seven.
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  • There's no evening, morning phrase implying we're still in god's seventh day.
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  • That's explicitly stated in psalm 95 and hebrews four.
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  • For to live our lives in such a way that we can enter into god's seventh day
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  • And notice,
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  • God creates for
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  • Six days, he ceases from his work of creation,
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  • And he will create again in the new creation.
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  • The eighth day is coming.
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  • But what god does in the seventh day, and we're to model
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  • What god does for to work six days on the seventh day, or to focus
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  • On the most important issues of life, which you see in scripture.
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  • God begins his works of redemption before he creates anything at all.
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  • For six days he creates.
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  • What does he do?
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  • In the seventh day, he redeems and tells us in romans eight,
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  • When the full number of humans that god intends to
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  • Redeem have been redeemed, he will create again.
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  • The day is coming.
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  • So as a young man, i never saw any contradiction
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  • Between the book of scripture and the book of nature.
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  • They're saying the same thing.
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  • They clobbering one another.
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  • You know the fact that genesis one describes all of creation events
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  • And the correct scientific order and correctly describes them?
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  • It's the only book
  • 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:16.709
  • Of all the ancient religions of the world that gets everything right.
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  • The best i found outside of the bible only got two of the 14, right?
  • 00:14:20.779 --> 00:14:23.782
  • The bible gets everything right.
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  • That was my first clue.
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  • This book did not come from a mere human being.
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  • It was inspired by the one that actually did the creation deeds.
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  • Thank you.
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  • So that what you what
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  • He just said was when i rededicated my life back to christ.
  • 00:14:39.899 --> 00:14:43.435
  • And let me tell you why i had read the hindu vedas.
  • 00:14:43.435 --> 00:14:46.906
  • I read the koran.
  • 00:14:47.339 --> 00:14:49.308
  • And as i begin to read each other major world religions book, it was easily
  • 00:14:49.308 --> 00:14:53.345
  • Debunked from a scientific perspective, from a historic perspective.
  • 00:14:53.345 --> 00:14:57.950
  • And so my thought was, if i could simply do that to the bible, then
  • 00:14:59.251 --> 00:15:02.988
  • I am free from any obligation to ever be a christian for the rest of my life.
  • 00:15:02.988 --> 00:15:07.192
  • So remember when i talked about him checkmating me?
  • 00:15:08.260 --> 00:15:10.729
  • He just did it again,
  • 00:15:11.230 --> 00:15:12.665
  • Because i was basically reading that
  • 00:15:12.665 --> 00:15:15.501
  • In one of his books and i realized, oh no, if
  • 00:15:15.501 --> 00:15:19.204
  • If the hebrew kind of creation is true as recorded in scripture
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  • And the bible is reliable, then everything else in scripture is also true.
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  • And then i have one decision do i submit or rebel?
  • 00:15:28.981 --> 00:15:35.054
  • See that?
  • 00:15:35.354 --> 00:15:36.822
  • That's ultimately why many of you are here tonight,
  • 00:15:36.822 --> 00:15:38.657
  • Because you'll be put in a crossroads to determine whether you're going
  • 00:15:38.657 --> 00:15:42.161
  • To submit to the authority of scriptures and my conversion stories the same.
  • 00:15:42.161 --> 00:15:46.966
  • I basically realize, okay, hindu, vedas, koran,
  • 00:15:47.933 --> 00:15:51.036
  • Buddhist commentaries, they all get the science wrong.
  • 00:15:52.071 --> 00:15:54.273
  • The bible gets everything right.
  • 00:15:54.273 --> 00:15:56.075
  • It even predicts future scientific discoveries thousands of years
  • 00:15:56.075 --> 00:16:00.045
  • Ahead of time.
  • 00:16:00.045 --> 00:16:01.580
  • Yeah, kind of brought me to the same point of decision.
  • 00:16:01.580 --> 00:16:03.549
  • What do i do with this?
  • 00:16:03.549 --> 00:16:05.384
  • Do i reject it or do i give my life to christ?
  • 00:16:05.384 --> 00:16:08.754
  • And i realize that this is true, and more reliable than the laws of physics.
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  • I trust i have to give my life to christ.
  • 00:16:13.258 --> 00:16:16.495
  • So. wow, is that amazing?
  • 00:16:17.062 --> 00:16:19.932
  • More reliable than the laws of physics.
  • 00:16:20.766 --> 00:16:23.035
  • I love that line. you know,
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  • If you want to continue to go deeper on this, i know that we're we're
  • 00:16:26.872 --> 00:16:29.441
  • Talking about the scientific evidence that god created the universe.
  • 00:16:29.441 --> 00:16:33.746
  • We're talking about the date and the age of the universe.
  • 00:16:34.880 --> 00:16:37.049
  • And, if we were to kind of, like, continue to flesh that out, i mean, there's
  • 00:16:38.584 --> 00:16:40.486
  • Probably some people here
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  • Who are struggling that they're still in, you know, wrestling with doubt.
  • 00:16:42.388 --> 00:16:46.392
  • And i remember reading about you making the presentation about the how
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  • And the new miracle certainty of god creating,
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  • I don't know if you'd be willing to kind of share that.
  • 00:16:58.404 --> 00:17:00.105
  • Well, i was studying the bible the same time that physicists
  • 00:17:00.105 --> 00:17:03.809
  • Were developing the first of the space time series,
  • 00:17:03.809 --> 00:17:07.346
  • Which basically states, if the universe contains mass
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  • And the general relativity reliably describes the movements
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  • Of massive bodies in the universe, space and time
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  • After the beginning of space and time are created,
  • 00:17:19.725 --> 00:17:22.127
  • Which implies there must be an agent beyond space and time
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  • That created a universe of matter, energy, space, and time.
  • 00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:29.802
  • So when a scientist says, i want to see scientific evidence
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  • For a miracle, i said, what bigger miracle can you actually require
  • 00:17:32.738 --> 00:17:36.975
  • Than the coming into existence of all the physical reality?
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  • God can do that.
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  • He can do all that smaller miracles.
  • 00:17:42.314 --> 00:17:45.284
  • Wow. can you imagine?
  • 00:17:45.784 --> 00:17:46.919
  • So yeah. that's incredible. and so,
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  • You know what?
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  • Okay.
  • 00:17:52.224 --> 00:17:53.625
  • Because i want to keep pointing back to the book,
  • 00:17:53.625 --> 00:17:54.927
  • As you talked about these recent discoveries.
  • 00:17:54.927 --> 00:17:56.862
  • And, i feel like noah's flood
  • 00:17:56.862 --> 00:17:58.630
  • Is a theme that just continues to, to come up in culture right now.
  • 00:17:58.630 --> 00:18:02.367
  • Have you guys all been picking up on that?
  • 00:18:02.367 --> 00:18:04.369
  • Rick renner has been writing about it extensively.
  • 00:18:04.369 --> 00:18:06.972
  • People have been visiting the site.
  • 00:18:06.972 --> 00:18:08.674
  • Anthony mitchell's talking about it.
  • 00:18:08.674 --> 00:18:10.809
  • It's like, you know, so many diverse voices
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  • In the body of christ are talking about, noah's flood right now.
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  • What are some of those recent scientific discoveries?
  • 00:18:16.949 --> 00:18:20.285
  • Well, number one, we can date when this great scattering
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  • Humanity happened, described in genesis ten and 11.
  • 00:18:24.423 --> 00:18:27.092
  • Yeah, those dates come in at 40 to 50,000 years ago,
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  • Which implies noah's flood must predate that.
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  • If it predates that, we don't have a genetic challenge
  • 00:18:34.900 --> 00:18:37.536
  • To all of humanity coming from eight people onboard noah's ark, and then people
  • 00:18:39.138 --> 00:18:42.841
  • Wondering, well, could people that far back actually build a boat of that size?
  • 00:18:44.376 --> 00:18:47.546
  • Well, just before this book went to press a paper published where they discovered
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  • These big thick ropes in the southern islands of indonesia,
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  • And realizing these had to be ropes for large ships
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  • Going from indonesia to australia over 3 or 400ft long.
  • 00:19:01.660 --> 00:19:05.497
  • So basically showing your people that far back pretty could build boats that big.
  • 00:19:07.132 --> 00:19:10.302
  • And people were saying, well, you know, what's this go for?
  • 00:19:11.503 --> 00:19:13.605
  • Would, notice the old testament mentions 20,
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  • 21 different kinds of hardwood.
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  • Go for what is not identified for the fact that the bible mentions
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  • 21 other different kinds.
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  • The hard one tells us go for
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  • What has a higher strength index than acacia would have.
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  • It does.
  • 00:19:31.089 --> 00:19:33.158
  • You can easily have a wooden boat 450ft long, which has been a primary challenge.
  • 00:19:33.158 --> 00:19:37.162
  • People saying no one can build a boat that big, we know they can.
  • 00:19:38.363 --> 00:19:41.567
  • And then now you know, what about the animals on board the ark?
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  • Seven different hebrew words are used in genesis six
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  • And seven and eight for the animals on board noah's ark.
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  • If you look at all seven words, it's basically talking about a bizarre nefesh,
  • 00:19:53.779 --> 00:19:57.849
  • Which means the animals domesticated by humans
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  • And the total number of animals pairs would have been domesticated
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  • By humans would be under 300, which means
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  • The ark is plenty of big enough to house all those animals.
  • 00:20:08.727 --> 00:20:11.997
  • And again, you look at the bible text on judgment.
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  • The only animals that can be negatively impacted
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  • By human sin are the animals that we can domesticate
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  • For agricultural purposes, and we make us pets.
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  • Which is why it says in the old testament of a cow has a habit
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  • Of curing other animals.
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  • And that continues and the owner is rebuked that that continues.
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  • Then the cow must be killed, and the owner along with it, making the point.
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  • The human is responsible for that animal behaving in that way.
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  • But don't worry about cockroaches.
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  • Your sin is not going to affect the behavior of a car much.
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  • That's so.
  • 00:20:51.103 --> 00:20:53.171
  • Doesn't that satiate so many questions you've had?
  • 00:20:53.171 --> 00:20:56.475
  • Because when all you have is coloring book christianity, you.
  • 00:20:57.643 --> 00:20:59.911
  • I mean that that version of noah's ark just seems so absolutely ridiculous that
  • 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:05.150
  • In some ways it makes you almost ashamed to call yourself a christian.
  • 00:21:06.551 --> 00:21:08.754
  • But when you actually look at the text, you go back to the hebrew words.
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  • You understand the historic context.
  • 00:21:13.125 --> 00:21:14.393
  • It all starts making a lot more sense.
  • 00:21:14.393 --> 00:21:16.161
  • Here's the question that i've been dying to ask you
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  • Is it a local flood or a global flood?
  • 00:21:20.632 --> 00:21:23.368
  • Well, what i talk about in this book, it's not local,
  • 00:21:24.436 --> 00:21:27.005
  • It's not global, it's worldwide.
  • 00:21:27.639 --> 00:21:29.841
  • But you see, in second peter two, the world of ungodly people was flooded.
  • 00:21:29.841 --> 00:21:34.846
  • So the flood extended as far as ungodly people lived.
  • 00:21:35.914 --> 00:21:38.817
  • Well, i think we can be assured there were no ungodly people
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  • Living in antarctica, so there's no need for god to flood antarctica.
  • 00:21:42.087 --> 00:21:46.391
  • There's no need for noah to take on board of penguins,
  • 00:21:47.492 --> 00:21:50.162
  • Because they wouldn't have been damaged by human sin.
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  • God's judgment only goes as far as the,
  • 00:21:52.831 --> 00:21:56.501
  • You know, the iniquity of human, evil.
  • 00:21:57.336 --> 00:22:00.105
  • Just like a surgeon limits his operations,
  • 00:22:01.006 --> 00:22:03.241
  • To the extent, the, you know, the metastases.
  • 00:22:04.209 --> 00:22:06.712
  • And the bible actually uses that word for human sin.
  • 00:22:07.779 --> 00:22:10.182
  • It operates when it's in danger of metastasizing because at one point,
  • 00:22:11.583 --> 00:22:14.553
  • We have abraham saying, i know you're going to wipe out
  • 00:22:15.620 --> 00:22:17.522
  • Sodom and gomorrah, but what about these wicked ammonites?
  • 00:22:17.522 --> 00:22:21.059
  • God says the wickedness has not yet reached its fullness.
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  • I will not touch them.
  • 00:22:24.896 --> 00:22:26.164
  • But he did take out the sodomites
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  • Because they were in danger of infecting the rest of humanity.
  • 00:22:28.066 --> 00:22:31.470
  • So it's the world of ungodly people was flooded.
  • 00:22:32.471 --> 00:22:34.272
  • Now i believe they inhabited a large region of the world,
  • 00:22:34.272 --> 00:22:37.542
  • But there were no humans in north america or south
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  • America or australia at that time.
  • 00:22:40.412 --> 00:22:43.415
  • We're basically talking the near and middle east,
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  • Maybe parts of eastern africa.
  • 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.087
  • That's still a really huge flood, which is why i'm saying here
  • 00:22:49.087 --> 00:22:53.125
  • We're talking previous to 40 to 50,000 years ago.
  • 00:22:54.126 --> 00:22:56.361
  • That puts it during the last ice age when you got enormous melt events
  • 00:22:57.763 --> 00:23:01.233
  • That could easily have produced a really vast flood.
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  • Okay. did you pick up on that?
  • 00:23:49.948 --> 00:23:51.550
  • So once you move away from a localized flood,
  • 00:23:52.484 --> 00:23:55.987
  • But also you move away from a global flood and you now say it's worldwide
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  • And it's god's judgment upon those who, you know, we're in that equation.
  • 00:24:00.992 --> 00:24:05.697
  • And then the record would also seem to indicate
  • 00:24:05.697 --> 00:24:08.366
  • That even from like a archeological perspective, right.
  • 00:24:08.366 --> 00:24:12.103
  • When you look at the layers, you say, can you maybe talk a little bit
  • 00:24:12.103 --> 00:24:15.373
  • More about that, like the with the melting is it's all that
  • 00:24:15.373 --> 00:24:20.245
  • It's it would corroborate your version of this, interpretation.
  • 00:24:21.446 --> 00:24:25.350
  • Well, people think the last ice age was a period
  • 00:24:26.318 --> 00:24:27.719
  • Where you just had thousands of feet of ice covering,
  • 00:24:27.719 --> 00:24:31.323
  • You know, a lot of the land masses, for, you know, almost 100,000 years.
  • 00:24:32.757 --> 00:24:35.961
  • The truth is, the previous last ice age had heat, melted vents.
  • 00:24:37.162 --> 00:24:41.266
  • In other words, where you got thousands of feet, thickness of ice melting
  • 00:24:42.701 --> 00:24:45.303
  • And then refreezing, melting and refreezing.
  • 00:24:46.204 --> 00:24:48.573
  • Think about the ice shrinking and expanding.
  • 00:24:49.474 --> 00:24:51.243
  • And if you get that kind of a melt event, you get a lot of water.
  • 00:24:51.243 --> 00:24:55.213
  • Explains why the flood lasted a whole year.
  • 00:24:56.114 --> 00:24:58.016
  • Because the only way you can last that long is if you got a lot of ice.
  • 00:24:58.016 --> 00:25:01.486
  • It's melting, replacing the water flowing out into the ocean.
  • 00:25:01.486 --> 00:25:05.624
  • Wow. that amazing.
  • 00:25:06.057 --> 00:25:08.293
  • Wow. so i want to do a few things because i think this is fun.
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  • Are you all enjoying this?
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  • By the way, time is flying by. by the way.
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  • I'm like, enthralled.
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  • And again, this is just, been so enriching.
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  • So if you had to,
  • 00:25:23.441 --> 00:25:25.443
  • And i'm
  • 00:25:25.677 --> 00:25:27.078
  • Going to challenge you, but i know you're up for it.
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  • And so if you had to try to convince an atheist
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  • Somebody who's struggling in 60s, what with all the expansive
  • 00:25:32.751 --> 00:25:38.123
  • Knowledge that you have, of course you've been delving into noah's flood.
  • 00:25:39.558 --> 00:25:42.294
  • You've written about so many different aspects of unbelief.
  • 00:25:43.461 --> 00:25:45.964
  • But if you were to look at somebody in 60s who struggled with unbelief,
  • 00:25:47.365 --> 00:25:49.968
  • With atheism, what what would be the means of communication, what would you say?
  • 00:25:49.968 --> 00:25:54.940
  • Well, mike, every day i get atheist on my social media saying
  • 00:25:56.241 --> 00:25:59.010
  • The flood is a, scientifically provable myth.
  • 00:25:59.945 --> 00:26:02.647
  • I say, well, is this because you think the bible teaches
  • 00:26:03.782 --> 00:26:06.751
  • That flood is global and happened just a few thousand years ago?
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  • If you actually read all the texts in the bible, not just those in genesis,
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  • There's more content on noah's flood outside of genesis and in genesis.
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  • If you read all that, you'll discover the bible puts the date
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  • A lot earlier and really talks about a worldwide flood.
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  • But a global flood.
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  • Once you understand that,
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  • They say, okay, no longer does science have an objection to that,
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  • And then they begin to ask because of questions on other subjects.
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  • Come on. wasn't that good?
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