Mike Signorelli - Interview with Shane Idleman

July 7, 2026 | 34:43

Pastor Mike Signorelli brings bold, Bible-based teaching to help believers walk faithfully in today’s often compromised world.

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| Mike Signorelli - Interview with Shane Idleman | July 7, 2026

This path is already narrow
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And we will forge forward, making no excuse
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For why we can live uncompromised in this generation.
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Lock in, give me a hundred people who will walk
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That narrow road
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And say, i may have some things in my family,
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But i, where he runs out,
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Shane is somebody, he's an author, he's a preacher,
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A speaker, and like he mentioned, a light bearer
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To the a generation.
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And he just holding that torch
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And exposing the works of darkness.
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And, you know, i wanna talk about leadership
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Because you wrote a book and i, so i put a video out
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And i'm just gonna step right into it.
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And, and i just want to explain, okay.
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So as you know, 'cause shane, you're a content creator
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And you're constantly putting out videos
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Of various different things.
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You know, you try to get creative, you experiment.
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So i'm with my daughter now that she's graduated, she works
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With me in the ministry side.
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And i told her, i said, i have this idea
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Where i wanna do a video where i'm
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Basically saying i'm done.
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And my vision for it was like a spoken word kind of thing
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Where i articulate the feelings of the masses.
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You know, how, how your average person just says that, hey,
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I'm done with relationships that aren't reciprocated.
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I'm done with caring more
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For you than you care for yourself.
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I'm done for investing, but you don't invest in yourself.
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And just kind of those one-sided relationship dynamics.
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Well, where i think i screwed up,
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And i just wanna publicly admit this, is i, my assumption
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That is that the spoken word that i did was so bombastic
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And over the top that people would watch it
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And know that i was doing like, sort
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Of the artistic, you know, thing.
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So that was my assumption because it, it was so intense.
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And of course the internet went crazy
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And the video started going basically viral.
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And people were like, what kind
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Of pastor would talk like this?
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You know, blah, blah, blah. so then i released a part two.
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Now i just wanna say, 'cause my daughter's off camera right
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Now, and then i wanna jump in with you, sean, shane,
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On this, this, this whole topic,
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Because my daughter can affirm that it, it truly was.
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I told her, i said, hey.
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'cause every once in a while, probably every three
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To six months, i'll do a video that is like a spoken word.
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Like the, the one before that was called,
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It's time to lock in.
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Yeah. so i did the same thing. it was like a rant.
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It's time to lock in.
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And it was over the top,
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And then it just got millions of views.
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So i thought, oh, here's my new rant,
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Here's my new spoken word, artistic thing.
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And it's called i'm done.
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And it's funny
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Because a lot of my audience got it, there were thousands
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Of comments being like, this is exactly how i feel.
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Thank you for this. and then of course there's many people
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And that, you know, used it as a weapon against me.
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And we're like, how could a pastor talk this way? how?
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But i think at the same time, you know,
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And you're a pastor as well, we feel this way
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Where we feel like, hey, i'm done.
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So i did a follow up video where i said, hey,
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I think there's a biblical basis
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For putting boundaries up a biblical basis
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For not being used.
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Now, of course, the way i communicated in the first video
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Was artistic license.
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And it was intended to be way over the top. but i think
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People were deeply offended that a pastor would say,
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Hey, i'm not gonna just keep giving, giving, giving.
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And, and of course, in that second video,
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Which i'll link all these videos in the description
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So you guys can watch 'em.
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But, but shane, you wrote a book.
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Can you tell everybody about the journey that you went on?
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Maybe about your church, your ministry, your life?
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'cause i really want to delve into your story,
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But that was the impetus for this.
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I reached out to you 'cause i said, man,
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This would be perfect.
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Well, let me tell you what, as soon as i saw you on video,
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I knew what you're, i kind of knew what
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You're talking about, obviously.
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But as soon as the heresy hunters get ahold of that, it's,
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That's, that's how it spreads.
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We have our critic, and when our critics grab
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That material, they love it.
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They're, they're, they're like sitting at their computer
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Waiting for me or you to say something wrong.
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And then they, they light up the internet.
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So, long story short, i came from, i'm in,
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I'm in southern california, just a background of, you know,
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Hard work, construction and addiction and things like that.
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And then god brought the prodigal son home, come on.
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And when he did, you know, i was on fire for the lord,
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Just preaching and teaching
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And then eventually planted the church.
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But what you don't realize, a lot
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Of people don't realize getting into it is
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If god doesn't call you, it will destroy you basically.
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I think, you know, because that's my anchor
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To hold onto people who then call themselves, you know,
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Or i just wanna help people or it, it's, it's
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'cause you open yourself up for a lot
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Of demonic attack as well.
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Yeah. and so, you know, it, it just,
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I think covid obviously was the start of things.
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And then, i mean, i can get into my mom passing away
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And just me and you are both into health and fitness
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And as your body gets older, so i,
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I start experiencing some, you know, midlife challenges.
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Just the dead dreams, you know, dreams you have for ministry
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That are, that are not happening. and, and so
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Wow.
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Negative people, good, good people that, you know, you,
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You spent time with end up stabbing you in
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The back and just, right.
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There's a lot of hurt with ministry, a lot of,
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And i was in a, what i called a funk.
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I didn't know how to get in. it's hard when the preacher
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Doesn't wanna preach, you know,
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We're talking for a long time.
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So i'd have to go, i'd have to show up at the spirit
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Of god would come upon the messages.
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And i just love sunday.
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Sometimes there'd be times of weeping the altar be full.
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But then i'd get home and here it comes again.
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You know, this, this,
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I i don't even know if it was a demonic attack
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Or if it was more just practical.
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I mean, you know, it, it's hard to analyze.
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And then i was just in a really hard season for a long time.
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I'd say probably a couple years. and, and were,
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Were people aware of this?
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Like did people know this around you?
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Or is it something that you were able to conceal? no,
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Not really, because, you know,
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I just, i don't walk around.
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Woe is me, you know, i fight through, come on and i show up
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And i, i wanted to keep my kids, you know, happy.
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And there's times of, of, you know, excitement and joy.
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But again, when all those things hit, you know,
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Health issues, ministry is not, you know, we go in
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With all these delusions of grandeur, you know,
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And for some people it happens for,
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But for other people, you know, life is,
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Is very challenging, very difficult.
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And, and so, you know, you don't want to talk about
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Because it's embarrassing kind of, you don't wanna open up.
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Yeah. and i was actually on a trip back, we actually,
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We won a, a trip, believe it
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Or not, a pbd podcast, patrick bet-david.
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And he invited us to the podcast of take a tour of it.
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And it was on that trip to florida
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That i said, you know what?
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I, i, and i, i'm gonna write a book about this experience
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And my wife contributed a chapter,
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But the reason i wrote the book, is there a way,
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There is a way i, i broke out of this.
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Mm. and so a lot
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Of it was pressing in practicing what we preach.
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But the big thing is, lord,
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And here's where this goes to a lot of pastors,
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They need to understand this.
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Too many pastors made your success by numbers
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And not by faithfulness.
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And god might keep you at that small church
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Or that small ministry until your heart breaks,
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Until you humble yourself, until he lord, wherever,
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Wherever you wanna put me,
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Lord, i'll do whatever you wanna do.
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And when i got to that point of, lord, your sovereignty,
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Your life, my life is your life,
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What do you want to do with it?
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And that was the kind that the, the moment of no matter
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What he's called me to do,
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Or what, where, where this takes me, i'm gonna just,
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You know, the joy of the lord is my strength.
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And that's where, you know, the book came from.
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And i, and i wanna let people know too,
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It's actually available at the church website for free
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Westside christian fellowship.
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Yeah. westside christian fellowship.org.
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They can download the ebook right
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Now and start reading. oh, you're
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So generous.
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You're so generous. listen, we're, we're gonna link to
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That in the description as well,
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So you guys jump in there and download it.
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Well, let, let me ask you this,
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And i, this is gonna be a brutal question,
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But i, i can sense
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That there's absolute somebody watching right now
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That's already like, okay, this is a confirmation.
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I was supposed to listen to this.
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You, you mentioned like, hey, i had this huge vision.
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Things are not aligning in reality with
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What god showed me spiritually.
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Right. do you think there's also a function of ego
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Where you're, you're frustrated
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And then the lord humbled you through this process?
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Or, you know, be absolutely. okay.
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You're laughing, he's laughing y'all. yeah.
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Here, here, here's also what i didn't share.
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I actually became a, a managing partner
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With 24 hour fitness,
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The fastest growing fitness company in the world.
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And i became a district manager over multiple clubs, right.
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And we measured success by numbers. hmm. i'm the top guy.
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I'm hitting the numbers.
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Bigger clubs faster, stronger, right?
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Numbers, numbers, numbers. and that's how men rate.
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And so when it comes to ministry, you think,
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I'm gonna have a mega church in five years, right?
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Right. god's gonna, and you see social media
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Influencers and like, oh,
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If i could just get a million followers,
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And, you know, i mean, i, i was,
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I thought if i could reach 5,000, then 10,000, then 50.
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And then it's, you're never, i mean, it's,
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It's actually more levels, more devils.
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Yeah, it is. you know, it's a lot more challenging.
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And so, yeah, i did have, you know, i had these ideas of
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What god was going to do.
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And some of that i don't think is necessarily bad
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Because you want, you want to do more for god.
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And so yeah, these ideas that really,
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I don't know if they're, you know, my
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Thoughts, god's thoughts.
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And so once you get to a point of humility
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And saying, lord, wherever you want to put me,
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Whatever you want me to do, i will do it.
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And so it is a breaking, humbling process
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Because man, if you don't break,
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If god doesn't break pride out of you, you know, that's
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What we're seeing in the charismatic community right now.
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A lot of the stuff that's out in the news is,
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Is straight up pride, you know?
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And, and god did use that to, to break me
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And to humble me, but also, well,
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It's amazing calling.
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Yep. yeah.
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So, so you're in a gym environment
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Where the numbers are dictating, you know,
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Where you stack up against other people,
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And then you apply that metric to the church world
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And it crushes you
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Because, you know, it's, it's not happening.
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And so you had mentioned like a, like a,
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A breakthrough moment.
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Like what, what really was that?
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Well, maybe i should give some backstory, you know?
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Yeah. we, we have to keep me humble, right? god.
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'cause the message that god has given my heart is powerful
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As far as the type of repentance, that prophetic word.
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You know, i've went to jack graham's church in texas,
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I've got, you know, large,
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But where he's put me is way back in this community
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Called leon valley.
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And it's 1200 homes. and you gotta dr.
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Like you gotta want to go to get there
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And like, lord, what, what's going on here?
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Like, is this short term?
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Are you gonna, you know, and,
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And just that breaking process again, by faithfulness, not
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By numbers, you know?
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And you, and it's not that you want bigger,
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But i ju we just want more space, right?
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Bigger kids' ministry can seat, more people can go
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To just one service and preach your heart out.
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Right? a lot of that's selfish and,
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And you just, i think, i think that can be good.
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And maybe things in god's timing.
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But he also, he also keep that thorn
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Or keep that, keep that spot where he knows how
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To keep you humble and close to him.
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And then you read like leonard, a w tozer,
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Maybe 400 people at his church, leonard ravenhill as well.
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And, and so it's not about numbers
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And maybe that that would be something he's working on my
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Heart, but for somebody else he's working on,
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They have a very difficult marriage
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Or maybe their prodigal sound, whatever god will use
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To keep us, to keep us humble and broken.
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And there are different callings.
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You know, you, you have, yeah.
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You know, somebody's, somebody's reach on social media,
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But god chose to put,
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My sermons are on radio on 80 say stations.
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We have about a hundred thousand people listening a day,
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But i don't have to pastor them.
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Right. so it's a, it's a, it,
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There's some benefits there too.
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Yeah. so that was the process, just thinking,
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It's basically, here's my plans, god, will you bless them?
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Wow. and then it should be the other way around, lord,
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What, what do you want to do?
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And most churches in america, as you know, 80%
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Of all churches are under probably, you know, 80 people.
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Yeah. and so,
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And so being a small church then a, a medium sized church.
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And now a large church, i've been able to see, you know,
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Each time to where, and believe it or not,
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And i don't, i'm not just saying this,
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But i, i, i would, i would love to go back to that point
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Of just a small easy simple, no social media.
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I mean, our cell phones, they got you all the time.
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You know, i talk to pastors who retired,
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Like they couldn't catch us
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Unless we went into the office and returned calls.
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Yeah. now you got talk, you got twitter,
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You got instagram, you got tech senior
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24 7, you're on alert.
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It's, i don't know if we're designed to, to absorb
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That much, you know, information and contact
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And trying to balance all that.
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Yeah. well, you know, it's like the blessing
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Is also a burden.
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It's, i always say congratulations and condolences.
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It's, it's both at the same time.
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And so i wanna talk about, you mentioned something, i think,
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And i want to focus in on this for a second
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'cause it's gonna help somebody.
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Right now you had mentioned this thorn, it's like, you know,
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Paul, we, we obviously don't know
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What the thorn literally was for paul,
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But it just, the concept is i have this thorn, a messenger
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Of satan, just something that persists through every season.
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And it's funny you say that
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Because i romanticized small church and i went to new york
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And i had 18 people when we launched.
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And i thought of myself, if we break a hundred, 200,
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But we're real disciples
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And we're fulfilling the great commission.
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And you know, and i kind of romanticized that.
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And, and also i'm more introverted by nature.
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So it's funny
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Because i've been in pastors meetings now
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As we have seven campuses
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And i've raised up pastors across america that,
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That are now stewarding these sites.
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And i've literally wept saying, i wish i could go back
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To the days when i was able to do a, b and c.
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Because it's almost like there's a death
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That's required at each stage.
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And i think we often look at,
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We look at it like things get better as you go up.
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And to a degree they do. but there's also a loss.
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There's like a death that's required to, to go up.
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And like john maxwell says, you give up to go up.
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So you're always giving something up to go up.
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And for me, i really prided myself,
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You talk about pride in being that shepherd,
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That was accessible.
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As a matter of fact, i, for a spirit filled pentecostal
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That e lean, i would also do q
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And as at the conclusion of every service.
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Wow. so it was like wrestling with the people. yes.
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Tell me your questions.
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Very close proximity, hugging them, crying with them.
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There were many times where i would stand in line
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For hours hanging out with people.
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I would, you know, i would, one time, as our church grew,
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I would baptize over a hundred something people on a sunday.
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One time i got this like, bad infection on my arm just
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Because we, it was disgusting,
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But we dunk so many people in a row that like, we had
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To actually come up with a protocol for how to safely
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Baptize people without getting staph infections.
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But my my point is, it's almost like as things grew,
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I recognize like, no, no, this is a thorn.
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Like you're gonna have the thorn
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Of a small church without enough finances
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And a feeling of insignificance, then you're gonna grow.
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And then the new thorn becomes, you give up to go up.
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And then now, and i know you understand as well,
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Because you're in a hard region,
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I say some very unpopular things in my region,
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And you get perpetual death threats.
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And now i have security
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And it's just, it's like, oh lord, there.
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But, so can you talk a little bit,
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'cause that was so deep, the thorn,
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Because of course, if it seems like you had a breakthrough
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Moment from the heaviness, the despair, the discouragement,
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But, but then the thorn remained even if the
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Heaviness was broken.
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Can you maybe mind down on that a little bit?
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Yeah, that's a great point. and i also want
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To encourage people with the book,
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Or even this podcast, this topic's for everybody because,
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'cause you can be a, a small business owner
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And get depressed or you can have a bible study.
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Why is there only seven people at my bible study?
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Well, god wants you to minister
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To those seven, get off the numbers.
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I'm just a stay-at-home mom.
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That's the most important job ever. i mean, so, wow.
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It's applicable to all areas of life.
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That's good. so yes, there,
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There is a breakthrough when
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You no longer allow those thoughts.
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That's what discouragement is.
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The enemy wants to silence our voice. let's be honest.
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Pastor's voice, he wants to silence the voice.
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So discouragement, i don't wanna talk
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As much, i don't wanna do as much.
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He tries to discourage us.
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And so once i get through that point, hey, lord, no matter
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What you want to do with me, no matter what you've called me
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To do, i'm gonna be thankful.
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I'm gonna be happy, i'm gonna be excited.
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And there's joy that comes from that.
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But you still have the thorn,
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However, now your attitude about it has changed.
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Yeah. does that mean, like paul said, the actual,
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The the response of god was, my grace is sufficient.
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Wow, you're gonna stay here, you're gonna stay here.
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But my grace, and let me tell you, mike,
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I would not take it back
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Because the deeper the pain, the deeper the relationship
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With the lord, the more you seek him, the more you find him.
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That word seek in the hebrew is actually trying.
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You're not gonna stop looking for something.
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Like, imagine losing your child in the mall.
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Are you gonna go get lunch and run some few errands
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Before you look for that child?
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Absolutely not. it's an all consuming desire. wow.
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And so once that seeking
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And that pursuing, i still got up at three in the morning
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And sought him and sought him and sought him.
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And, and,
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And finally when that light comes at the end
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Of the tunnel, you know, it's incredible.
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And even if it doesn't, though he slay me yet.
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Well, i trust him. the dark, dark knight of the soul.
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And all christians, all christians go
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Through the dark night of the soul.
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You get the diagnosis from the dark,
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The prodigal son, you lose somebody.
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And that's when you, you, you, you, that's,
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That is actually when you lean on the rock
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And all, all of israel's names for god, right?
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Jehovah-nissi and jirah shaddai
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And all these names, they knew of him
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Because he delivered, he provided he was their shelter.
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And you gotta go through this in order
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To truly understand the character nature of god.
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So in the deepest pain in those darkest moments,
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That's when the revival light shines the brightest,
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Oh, that was so good.
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'cause you're speaking from that place
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That blessed me so much.
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And so you, so you get on the other side of it,
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You write the book and then tell me about what, what,
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You know in the story, what begins to happen.
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Like how, how, how does that unfold?
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Because it just seems like, like all, all
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Of a sudden do things coexist, you know?
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And i've seen that in my own life as well, where it's like,
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As you begin to, you know,
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I think about this scripture in proverbs, those
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Who refresh others will they themselves be refreshed?
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So it's like every time i'm desiring encouragement,
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I actually encourage somebody else.
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If i'm desiring like, lord, i need to hear from you.
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I start to hear for somebody else.
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And i, and i, i feel like for you,
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When i think about your book,
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When i think about your ministry
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And knowing now that you are in that personal anguish,
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But you said, i'm actually gonna do the opposite of
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What i feel and i'm gonna give what i need.
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And the, and it's crazy
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Because in the world, if you give, if you give out
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Of your need, you burn out.
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But then if you give out
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Of your need in the kingdom, you refresh.
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Which is such a crazy concept. it's crazy. yeah.
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So how did that, tell me what begin to happen
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As you stepped into that, that mode? well, here's
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What's, you know, this,
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This is what's real encouraging when the spirit
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Of the living god is that your service.
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Now we know god's everywhere,
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But there's something special when
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That tangible presence is breaking people.
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And something happened where we, i mean,
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We get people saying, why am i weeping during worship?
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Why is the altar full? what's god doing?
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It's restoring marriages, pr i mean this huge, it's, it's,
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It it's actually a revival atmosphere.
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Yeah. people can mock it.
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They can, they can joke at it,
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But a genuine revival is when god revives his people.
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Yeah. it's it's spiritual resuscitation. yeah.
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And now you're on fire for the lord,
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Prayer meetings at the altar worship,
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And you just go on and on.
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And so that's been happening the last year as well.
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Wow. so i don't know if i answered your question on
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That, but that was, it did, the turning point was the
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Fruit of the pursuit.
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And let's not forget the ble, the, the, the,
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The blessing of brokenness.
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You know, the, the olive doesn't bring forth the oil
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Until it's broken.
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The perfume of the flower is not, we don't smell it until
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That, that, that, that, that flower is crushed.
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So it's in that crushing, it's in that brokenness that,
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That we, we humble ourselves
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And we don't think so much of ourselves.
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And, and from that, from
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That emptiness comes the filling of the spirit.
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And so even through all this, the sermons, i mean,
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I sometimes i'm like, lord, thank you.
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You know, i'm just, you know what?
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And just, it's just amazing the feedback
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And the, the scope of, of what god is doing.
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But it's coming through, it be, i think it was tozer
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Who said before god uses a man greatly,
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He must hurt him deeply.
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And so looking back, it was the,
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It was the breaking process that probably we need
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Until the day we die.
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Because pride can come up and self exaltation
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And god knows how to, how to break that
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And, and get you through it.
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But it is, it, it is a mindset.
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Be thankful in all things enter into his go with,
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Into his courts with thanksgiving.
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Yeah. and so, lord, i can't go to church kind of woes me.
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I'm thankful i need to, i need to.
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And you can't change your thoughts.
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You take those thoughts captive. you really do.
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It really works when the bible says, you know,
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Be not conformed to this world,
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But be transformed by renewing your mind.
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Now, something i do wanna say, i think it's important is
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Because i know you have a passion for this,
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I have a whole chapter on physical health.
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Yeah. come on. food. food
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During this time was my comfort.
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Ah. so i'm like, i'm like, you know, i'm convicted.
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I'm going up 210 pounds, 215 pounds, 220 pounds,
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225 pounds, 230 pounds.
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Right. and i know metabolic syndrome, high insulin.
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I got it. i, i have a background in all that stuff.
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And so not taking care of my body
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And allowing king stomach to dominate is also depressing.
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Yeah. so once i, once i brought back in fasting,
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Intermittent fasting, the right god-given
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Foods in moderation.
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And you start, when you,
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When you discipline yourself physically,
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There are spiritual benefits as well.
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Yeah. the physical effects, the physical effects
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Of spiritual, there's no way around it.
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And so that was a very important key as well to to, to,
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To just manage that, that king stomach and that,
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And people can relate because food, man, i,
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That big chocolate bar,
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It was healthy, it was organic chocolate.
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So i thought it was good and raw milk. right?
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But it's way too much.
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And i'm eating too much and just gaining weight
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And that, that really can play a, a huge role in
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How you feel overall.
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I don't think, i think that's so important.
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Oh, that's, so i'm glad that you brought it up
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Because a lot of people, even those
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Who are listening right now, leaders,
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Pastors in their search for comfort,
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They end up sabotaging themself.
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And that's me.
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I mean, you can look at pictures and videos
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And it's like, mike's weight goes up,
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Mike's weight goes down,
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And you're, it's almost like my,
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My weight betrays my personal prayer life
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Because it betrays my reliance on god.
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Like, it reveals that, you know,
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What you do privately comes out publicly.
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And it's like privately, i'm eating everything in, in sight
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And i'm doing it for comfort.
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And it's funny you say that
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Because for me, what would happen,
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And i'm just gonna say this to be transparent,
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Is we would encounter some sort of tragedy.
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We would encounter some sort of interpersonal conflict.
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A as you know, in leadership, it's not easy.
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We're trying to work things out
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And we're, oftentimes it was connected to another level,
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And as we were increasing it,
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Exploited maybe something we weren't aware of, something
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That we needed to close a gap on.
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And we would start to go through something.
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And it, and what's crazy is like in the midst of that,
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I got busy, i stopped working out,
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I started eating the wrong way.
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And then as you mentioned, cortisol goes up,
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Testosterone goes down.
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It's like, and you start that vicious cycle
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And you get in so deep
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And then you're like, man, is it a demon?
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Is it my diet? what is it?
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And the answer is yes, yes, yes, yes. and yes.
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But i could be either. i, i,
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But i, what i realized while you were talking,
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And i think this is so powerful,
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Is it's almost like in your darkest hour you became the
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Greatest leader because you were leading out of example
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And you were saying, hey, it's not what we do in the absence
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Of pain, it's what we do in the presence of pain.
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And i'm about to show you all,
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And i tell leaders this all the time, you don't have
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To be 10 steps ahead of your people.
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Sometimes you just have to be two steps ahead.
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Like, hey, i ate right this week.
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I prayed this week, i'm doing it right in front of you.
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Like, i'm struggling, i'm in pain,
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But i'm gonna show you in my anguish
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What leadership looks like.
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And then things begin to grow.
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And it's just such a beautiful picture.
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And this is important too, i think just briefly.
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And, you know, we pray for healing.
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We have a prayer room, we have lines
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For prayer all the time for healing.
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I'm gonna do it tonight. i'm on my way to church.
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So we believe in that. but believe it
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Or not, i would say, i, i'm, i wanna be conservative.
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Eight times out of 10 when i get people
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To change their lifestyle, their healing comes.
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Yeah. for example, i can't get rid of this anger
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And anxiety, stop drinking a pot of coffee every day.
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'cause you're, you're constantly stressed out. it's true.
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Right? i i, my testosterone,
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My blood pressure gets some sleep, lose the weight, say no,
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I, i got type two diabetes.
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Will you pray for me? yes. but you need
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To lose 50 pounds and change your diet.
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Yeah. you know, because god,
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God heals in, in spite of that.
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Don't get wrong. but,
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But if our disease is self-created,
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Could the answer be obedience and discipline?
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Yeah. you know, quite often it can be's, you know,
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Because it's important.
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We know what to do, we just don't wanna do it.
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Yeah. that's it.
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And that, i mean, that, and that's, you know, what i've,
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I've told a lot of pastors in the areas
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That you're struggling use that as an opportunity
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To build the infrastructure in your ministry.
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So i've even, i, i saw a pastor one time,
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He personally wanted to lose weight,
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So he just created like a biggest loser
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Competition in his whole church.
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And just the whole church walked through it together
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And they all transformed.
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And i think there, there could be a very powerful, you know,
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Recently on our staff, i,
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I was gone on sabbatical this last summer.
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And so my personal goal was like, i'm gonna drop weight.
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I'm gonna really, you know,
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This sabbatical was just something
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That i had planted seven campuses in a decade.
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And my board was like, man,
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Just take the summer off and like refresh.
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So my staff all across the country said, you know what,
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If mike's going to do this, then
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What if we did a staff competition to lose weight
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And to get in shape and hold each other accountable?
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So then when he gets com, when he comes back,
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It's not disjointed.
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And i came back and i was like blown away.
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And so i think a lot, again there you could just
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Insulate, isolate.
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You could just say, well, this is my private pain
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And i'm stuck and i don't know what to do
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And i'm speaking to a leader right now.
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Or you could actually just make a whole infrastructure out
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Of it and say, you know what,
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We're all gonna get free if i need freedom in this.
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And that's what i mean by two steps ahead.
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And i love that about your life and ministry
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Because it's like you are almost writing the book on the
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Tail end of getting through it.
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And then you just took the whole church through it.
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When you were talking about revival, it was like, well,
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Of course, because you were allowing god to revive you.
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But it started with repentance, it started with
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Brokenness, it started with anguish.
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And then he breathed on that.
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And then i believe repentance turns into revival,
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But then revival turns into reformation
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Because now you say, look, what does it mean to be reformed?
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Now we, we eat right as a culture, it's who we are.
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It's an identity. now we, you know,
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Have these spiritual disciplines
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Where whether we're on the mountaintop
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Or in the valley, the we're gonna praise him the same.
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And i've now reformed my life
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And i don't need just a perpetual revival
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Because i live in a perpetual state of
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Discipline before the lord.
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So thank you for being an example for the body.
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And i think it's important on this note for people
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To know it's not just about eating better
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And losing weight that actually
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Controls a lot more than you think.
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If you show me a guy with a poor problem,
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I'll show you a guy with the
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That can't control his appetite.
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Yeah. it's all connected.
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Right? you know, self, self-discipline means in food
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Means you're self-discipline in other
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Areas it's all connected.
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Often that's, you know, from alcohol to opiates to,
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You know, everything that it starts
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With disciplining the king's stomach.
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And but also i wanna mention this april,
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This coming april will be one year i finally said,
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Hey congregation, i've got this book coming out.
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Let me open up.
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And i shared my heart,
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And i think it was the following sunday,
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I couldn't even get up to preach.
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The altar was full
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Until the second service, the altar was full.
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Worship is just continuing.
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I'm like, i'm not gonna stop this.
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We just worship for the whole service.
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So god started a mighty powerful move of his spirit
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That has been going, you know, ever since.
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So it definitely was a catalyst for sure.
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Brokenness is always the catalyst.
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Any, all this stuff we're seeing on revival, some
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Of it's definitely legitimate, genuine,
00:29:19.284 --> 00:29:21.319
But genuine revival is not paying a, a,
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A expensive worship leader and getting a well-known speaker
00:29:23.454 --> 00:29:26.558
And, and tagging at revival revivals when humble, broken,
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Hungry men and women come and they cry out for god to come
00:29:30.595 --> 00:29:33.464
And revive your people.
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God ran the heavens and come down and,
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And god begins to in inter answer the cries of his people.
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You know, we, we, we gotta seek the, the,
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The a genuine revival is, is what they're really missing.
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Yeah. well, you know, while you're talking,
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There's like an equation
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Because brokenness on its own won't produce revival,
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But i heard you say brokenness plus faithfulness
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Will produce revival.
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Yes. like remaining faithful in the midst of brokenness.
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And i think there's a lot of people
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That their brokenness becomes the reason why they step out.
00:30:03.094 --> 00:30:05.964
It's the reason why they cheat.
00:30:05.964 --> 00:30:07.232
It's the reason why they start smoking, drinking.
00:30:07.232 --> 00:30:09.267
It's the reason why they start eating whatever food.
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It's like the brokenness can even either become the excuse
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To be unfaithful
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Or it can become the reason why you go into revival
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Because it's connected to faithfulness.
00:30:19.477 --> 00:30:21.913
So there's that like divine equation where it was like, man,
00:30:21.913 --> 00:30:25.783
You got shane idleman experiencing personal brokenness,
00:30:25.783 --> 00:30:28.987
Let down being backs stabbed used.
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And in, in the midst of that says, god,
00:30:31.890 --> 00:30:33.758
But i'm gonna remain faithful
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And i'm gonna show the congregation what it means
00:30:35.593 --> 00:30:37.595
To leave from the front.
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And then that faithfulness
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With the brokenness turns into revival.
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And i think that's incredible.
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And it's funny because as you know,
00:30:44.135 --> 00:30:46.437
So many pastors start the race and they never finish it.
00:30:46.437 --> 00:30:49.607
And my goal has just been to remain.
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I, you know what i, i cry out we're actually,
00:30:52.510 --> 00:30:55.880
I made a spontaneous announcement last sunday.
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:58.149
I said, guys, every day this week, monday through friday,
00:30:58.149 --> 00:31:00.919
Just meet me right back here at this particular campus.
00:31:00.919 --> 00:31:04.088
And the no agenda other than we're
00:31:04.088 --> 00:31:06.090
Just gonna cry out to god.
00:31:06.090 --> 00:31:07.558
And we're gonna pray. and i'm actually headed there,
00:31:07.558 --> 00:31:09.193
Here shortly as well.
00:31:09.193 --> 00:31:10.828
But it was like, but the,
00:31:10.828 --> 00:31:12.230
But it really was my own personal feelings of, you know,
00:31:12.230 --> 00:31:16.601
The weight of this season,
00:31:16.601 --> 00:31:18.269
The confusion from all the voices.
00:31:18.269 --> 00:31:20.805
And just like you mentioned, i mean, people think, well,
00:31:20.805 --> 00:31:22.974
Mike, you've got 1.8 million subscribers, you know,
00:31:22.974 --> 00:31:25.877
Surely your life got better.
00:31:25.877 --> 00:31:27.278
And it's like, well, no, i mean, it just changes.
00:31:27.278 --> 00:31:29.747
And that thorn is persistent
00:31:29.747 --> 00:31:31.749
And i think that thorn, the lord could remove it,
00:31:31.749 --> 00:31:34.585
But there, it's like, there's a thread through every season
00:31:34.585 --> 00:31:37.355
Where he is like, man, i'm gonna keep you in a posture
00:31:37.355 --> 00:31:39.891
Where you need me and you need prayer.
00:31:39.891 --> 00:31:42.393
And so anyways, i'm a couple days in already
00:31:42.393 --> 00:31:45.196
And it's just been so powerful.
00:31:45.196 --> 00:31:46.931
So shane, i, my hope
00:31:46.931 --> 00:31:49.033
And my prayer is that as you've been pouring your cup
00:31:49.033 --> 00:31:51.836
And as you've been ministering in this,
00:31:51.836 --> 00:31:53.705
That it's provoking a hunger and a desire.
00:31:53.705 --> 00:31:56.641
I just want to ask, you know,
00:31:56.641 --> 00:31:57.875
'cause i i feel like there's so many
00:31:57.875 --> 00:31:59.477
That are listening right now, that are watching right now
00:31:59.477 --> 00:32:01.946
That just need to take a next step.
00:32:01.946 --> 00:32:04.315
I, i did not expect for you to so generously offer your book
00:32:04.315 --> 00:32:07.986
Via download, which i know that they're gonna get it,
00:32:07.986 --> 00:32:10.588
But would you be willing to just, just speak to them now,
00:32:10.588 --> 00:32:13.825
Pray and pray for them?
00:32:13.825 --> 00:32:15.560
Yeah, absolutely. and in speaking to them, i want to
00:32:16.627 --> 00:32:20.331
Clarify something that you said that was profound.
00:32:20.331 --> 00:32:22.467
This will be life changing.
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When you go through that pain and that hurt
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And that brokenness, it needs to draw you closer
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To christ, not further away.
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Come on. there's a, there's a, there's a choice.
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You'll have to make bitterness, anger, frustration.
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It has to push us to the feet of christ, not away. wow.
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And that, that's the difference maker right there.
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So that's the, the final
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Thought. but yeah, let me pray for them. come
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On. so,
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Good lord,
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I pray for all those listening
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Who have been hurt and have been wounded.
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Lord also pray that we would take some
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Of the responsibility.
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Lord, i'm not perfect. we're not perfect.
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We need to own some of this.
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We need to own some of our own pain.
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But also, lord, we need to just draw closer to you.
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And i pray that out of this pain, out of this discouragement
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And this disappointment, this dark night of the soul, god,
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That you would be begin to bring revival
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And you'd begin to awaken your people via repentance
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And humility
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And brokenness, lord, that they will cry out again for you
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To, for you to revive them and to restore them.
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In jesus name, amen. amen.
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Amen. such a powerful time together.
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Hey everybody, i wanna make sure that you're,
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You're following shane.
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So we've got all of his social media
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Profiles linked as well.
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So you can go over there, give him a follow.
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He's always putting some really intriguing,
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Like thought provoking and great insights.
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So shane, thank you so much
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For joining us on the breakers podcast.
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Awesome. thank you. and i should let you know too, at
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That website, all my books are there free.
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So revival, fasting, everything's there
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Can be a huge resource to people.
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Westside christian fellowship.org. free downloads. good.
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Come on. you guys heard it. go get 'em.
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It's so, it's hard to find great materials
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And the fact that it's all there as a resource
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And free, just as a reflection of your heart.
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Well, thank you so much for serving so many people.
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You are amazing.
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Thank you. jesus said in matthew seven,
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Narrow is the gate
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And difficult is the way that leads to life.
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In a world that celebrates compromise, god calls us
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To live set apart, to walk the narrow way with courage,
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Conviction, and faith.
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Stay connected and learn more at mikesignorelli.com.
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Mike Signorelli - Interview with Shane Idleman

July 7, 2026 | 34:43

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