Mike Signorelli - Sexuality, Spirituality, and False Religion

July 9, 2026 | 49:4

Pastor Mike Signorelli brings bold, Bible-based teaching to help believers walk faithfully in today’s often compromised world.

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| Mike Signorelli - Sexuality, Spirituality, and False Religion | July 9, 2026

This path is already narrow
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And we will forge forward, making no excuse
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For why we can live uncompromised in this generation, lock
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In, gimme a hundred people who will walk that narrow road
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And say, i may have some things in my family,
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But i'm where it runs out.
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We're here, and this is part two
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That you've been asking for.
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And we're, here's what we're gonna do. we're gonna talk
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About sexuality, we're gonna talk about spirituality,
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And we're gonna talk about false religions
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And how that all converges.
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And so i just wanna jump right in.
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So we're living in a time of a mass dissemination
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Of information, but that also means lies.
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And more people are being lied
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To at a greater rate than ever before.
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There's nothing new under the sun,
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But there's an acceleration of it.
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So people can find new religions, they can find, i mean,
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New ways to a sexual perversion, they can, you know,
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It's just accessible.
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And so, like angela, you know,
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In younger years you were just devoted
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To helping enlighten people through the new age.
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And tens of thousands of people, hundreds
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Of thousands have followed you
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And now you've devoted your life to christ.
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The truth. richard, you know, you're somebody that probably
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Through the internet, was exposed to a ton
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Of sexual perversion
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And you know, and then, you know, kind
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Of went on this journey and you know, you've amassed both
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Of you guys probably billions of views as you now have said.
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Like, no, i also found the truth.
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And then evan, you know, you're a leader, a pioneer,
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An entrepreneur, and now a pastor over a,
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A global online community of, i don't know, a lot
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Of people, a lot of people praise god.
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And so kind of a voice of your generation as well.
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And then i'm here as a multi-site church planter in some
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Of the darkest cities in america where, you know,
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We're here in manhattan to put, i know you can't tell,
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But 10 years ago when i got here, actually zero people
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That planted with me, other churches are still here.
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So like i've outlasted every single one of 'em
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By the grace of god.
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But it's partly because i've been willing to expose
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And confront the things
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That many people have shied away from.
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So we're gonna be real bold in this, in this podcast
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And we're gonna go there,
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But let's just kind of jump it off.
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So like, for everybody watching, where are we at right now?
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Like, if you were to diagnose culture, i know
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That's a big statement,
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But you guys are, you have your finger on the pulse,
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You guys are very much aware of what's happening.
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And so like if you were to say like, man,
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Where are we at right now? what would you say?
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Well, in terms of like sexual brokenness
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And working through that
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And an identity in christ, i see twofold.
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I see i had, i've been having a lot of conversations
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Where people are identifying themselves as, well,
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I am gay, it's not a choice.
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This is who i am.
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And really unpacking that rhetoric for people.
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But then on the other side, i think with the climate
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Of everything, with the war, with the new administration,
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Everyone is starting to see, okay, there are some things
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That are not morally good.
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And i feel some type of way about it.
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Some people are kind of leaning into maybe a conservative
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Type of way, but they're still kind
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Of holding onto this sexuality.
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But what's really interesting is they're having a biblical
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Worldview without acknowledging that it's biblical.
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And so i see like the lord working,
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But there's still some, some, some work
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That needs to be done.
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So it's really interesting. i think some people are seeing
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The truth of scriptures laid out when it comes to family,
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When it comes to, you know, children, when it comes
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To the health, when it comes to healthcare,
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Mental, mental health.
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So some people are seeing, they just don't realize
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That it's a biblical worldview.
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And then we still have people kind of still in
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That double mindedness and shrouded and darkness.
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So that's kind of the two areas as far
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As like what's going on with sexual
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And sexual culture that i've been seeing.
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Yeah, yeah,
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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You wanna go? it's like, come on.
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I think in terms of spirituality, i just continue
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To notice that people are genuinely hungry for truth.
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Like they really do want to know jesus.
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They just can't name. that's who they're looking for.
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Yeah. but i've actually been really touched recently
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Over the past half year, especially of kind of the,
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The purity in their ignorance.
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Yeah. like the, the new ages, the arbitrary spiritualists,
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Because you hear the things they say and their countenance
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And they genuinely want
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To approach everything through a framework of light and love
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And pursuing goodness.
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And what i've actually noticed is that a lot of the times,
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It's so strange to observe this,
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But their heart posture, it's almost a heart posture
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That in a way is like more pleasing to god than
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What i see a lot in the christian community
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Through like self-righteousness and works
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And you know, boasting and all these things.
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And so i've just been really, i mean,
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My heart's been breaking out of compassion
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For this community that i came out of more than ever before
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Because i'm like recognizing, you know, they're not,
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They're not full of hate.
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They're not, they're just lost.
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Yeah. but they're all looking for the same thing. yeah.
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They're just looking for jesus. yeah. so,
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Yeah, i think what's worse than being lost is thinking
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That you're not lost. yeah.
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Yeah. and there's a lot of christians that,
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Like you said, and it, it's funny with the whole like,
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And i'm just gonna like shots fired right off the jump,
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But it's like on one end
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Of the spectrum you have like this christian nationalism,
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Which is very self-righteous, you know?
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Absolutely. and it's like, we're gonna, and, and
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But then at the same time there, there's some good in all
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That that they're trying to reform and, you know,
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And work within government, not despite it.
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Yeah. and on the other end of the spectrum,
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You have like this extreme liberalism that i'm,
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That you know, where that,
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But it's also self-righteous, you know?
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Right. so, and
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But then somewhere in the midst of that, i think the lord,
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The lowest common denominator is who's humble.
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Yeah. like, and it's, and it's funny you say that
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'cause jesus was friends friend of sinners, right?
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Yeah. and it's like, because i think
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Amongst the religious elite, they didn't know
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That they were lost.
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And so he was like, but at least these
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People know they're lost.
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Mm. and that's why they're seeking truth.
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And it's like those people are easier, i think,
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To bring into the knowledge of the truth
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'cause they're already seeking.
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But those who think that they found it
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But haven't, there's no desire to seek, you know?
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Yeah. and so it's funny
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Because my wife julie, for the coming into this year,
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I was like, what's your year for?
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What's your word for the year?
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You know how christians, you know, we, what's your 2026?
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And she was like, i feel like the lord keeps telling
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Me go lower.
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So it's like her, her word was go lower. wow.
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And i think that there's something about that. yeah.
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Is that maybe what you were yeah. you were saying?
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Yeah, absolutely. 'cause i've
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Been doing a lot of reflecting.
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We were just talking pre-roll, like i'm writing my book
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And i've been reflecting on how when i first came out of
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New age, and i'm sorry if this is like a little bit
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Of a tangent, but you're like,
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Is there anything on your heart?
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I guess there is.
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I knew it. i like, man, when i came outta that world,
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I just had, and i still have the zeal and the fire
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And the passion and all those things,
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But i was kind
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Of like beating like my old friends over the head with like,
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Guys, this is demonic, it's evil, it's this, it's that.
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Which is all true.
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But i was, i, i just failed in a way
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Of like meeting them in the same grace and patience
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And love where jesus actually met me.
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And so just kind of the, you know, the closer i get
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To him throughout the years, it's like the more of
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That i want to replicate and make available,
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Because i unfortunately don't see it a lot
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Amongst believers.
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Yeah. to other believers.
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Yeah. especially.
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Yeah, man, it's, well, something i've been saying,
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And i'd love to hear your guys' opinion about it, is,
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I've been saying this a lot.
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Like a lot of the rhetoric
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That's going viral in the christian community isn't
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Converting anyone.
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It's totally agree. and so what happens is, like,
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It became clickbait.
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And the reason why i say that is
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Because, so like i talk often about lgbtq plus
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Or often about islam or, but i've told people,
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But i can show you the, the people in the church
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That have like these incredible testimonies
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Because there's like confrontation with compassion.
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Yeah. and it's like some people have compassion
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With no confrontation.
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Yeah. which in my opinion is no compassion at all.
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Yeah. but then some people have confrontation
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Or you know, with no compassion.
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Yeah. where it's just like,
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And that confrontation is really the echo chamber
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And all these christians are clapping and liking
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And commenting on it,
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But not one person is being converted by that rhetoric.
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Right. so we could you guys say something about that? i
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Would just say, you know what, it can be so subversive
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And we talk about both ends of the spectrum.
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We've got the self-righteous christians,
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Then we've got people who are in the world.
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But when you realize the core thread truly is,
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I believe undertones of luciferian is where it's like, hey,
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My god is what makes me feel good.
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So on the side of the world, sexuality, new age, it's that.
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But i would contend on the other side of it as well.
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It's man, my self righteous,
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Dry dead religion makes my flesh feel really good too.
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And it flares up that pride.
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And so i think we have to really look at the core of like,
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Hey man, we're fighting a binary fight,
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But not realizing it's two sides of the same coin.
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And what, what were you gonna say about that
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Too?
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No, i remember you were saying in a, you did a q and a
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After your sermon,
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Which let's hope we can do more of those as well.
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But you said something that was really great
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About evangelism
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And trying to connect to the people you spoke about.
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Sometimes you have to build a bridge of relationship
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Before the truth can walk across.
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And i just think about how the scripture often tells us
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To remember the joy of our, our salvation.
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And even paul writes about, you know,
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He's the chief of sinners.
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And so if apostle paul is saying that
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To about himself while still being an apostle
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And going out to plant churches
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And grow the body of christ,
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There's something about us remembering where we were so
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That we can have compassion to be able to meet these people.
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And, and so yes, it is a fight,
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But we also want to be wise as servants,
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But also gentle as doves.
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And so it's really, it's been a really interesting
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And kind of like polarizing experience to see kind
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Of the hurt that's going on in the secular world,
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But also the hurt
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Because of the discord going on within the body of christ.
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Like one of the things with the platform
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That the lord has given me, i'm not gonna speak
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About discord.
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I'm not gonna talk about someone and bring them down.
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I'm not going to, yeah. yes.
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There's issues that i see,
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But i would rather us talking about, i would,
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I would rather us talk about
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And the gospel of him saving people than each other.
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Than each other. yeah. you know, so it,
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It's, it's really hard.
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But i think as we remember the lord
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And remember that we were once an enemy of the lord,
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It really can shift our
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Perspective. so i just wanted to say
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That.
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Yeah. it sounds like that's happening to you too.
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Like you're remembering like we're who you were
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And where you came from and the process
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God brought you through.
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Yeah. and then that's like digging up this well
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Of compassion for other people.
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Yeah. which is something i've been talking a lot about.
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So it seems like the lord's doing the same
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Thing in a lot of us.
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Yeah. at the same time. and this conversation already feels
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So much deeper than the first one.
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And it's almost like the lord's maturing all of us because,
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And i want to hear what you have to say about this, angela.
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But so i was saying the other day,
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'cause i was teaching a, a whole zoom full
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Of pastors across the nation,
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And i said, becoming a a minister is a lot like
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Becoming a surgeon.
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Like you don't become a surgeon to kill people.
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Like then you'd be a murderer. yeah.
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Like you become a surgeon to save people's life,
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But in trying to save their life,
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You're gonna lose some people.
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Mm. so i think sometimes you think about other conversations
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You've had with people and you're like, man,
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My delivery was wrong.
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Like, i was too heavy handed. i, everything was a demon.
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I wanted them to accept christ immediately. yeah.
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And it's almost like a surgeon we're like, i, my goal wasn't
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To kill you, my goal was to save you, but you,
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But some people died while i was trying to save him.
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That's good. and lately as a pastor, man,
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I know the judgment of god is real on my life.
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And every word i say and every sermon i preach
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And i've been, you know, praying like, lord, help help me
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To be better for this, the people that i'm serving
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Through my pulpit and my preaching.
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And that's one of my assessments.
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I'm like, man, like it's, i i think a lot
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Of young preachers are writing entire sermons
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With 60 second clips in them.
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And i think the lord is literally getting ready
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To slap them down so hard.
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And i'm not saying that in a harsh way,
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But i just mean like, maybe even this podcast
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Would be a form of rebuke.
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'cause it's like, but you don't even know anyone from the
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Community that you're calling out in your sermon.
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You know, haven't talked to them, you haven't talked,
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You haven't brought them to your church. don't get me
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Started.
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Yeah. well that's, that's like, well it's like you, you,
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I tell people all the time, i'm like,
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Richard was at my house for thanksgiving.
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Richard was at my house.
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We cried together, we laughed together.
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People don't know about that.
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They don't know the relationship that we build.
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And and i think for you, like, you know,
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You're looking at people in the new age community
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And you're probably watching this juxtaposition
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Between the christians calling it out,
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But not having any relationship with any of them or knowing,
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And then like, but then also not excusing it.
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Yeah. and like how do you become
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More effective in that?
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Like, what's happening in your heart?
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Yeah, i think
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For me the biggest thing like lately has been
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That i'm not gonna be able
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To intellectualize anybody into the faith.
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Mm. and as someone who, like, i love apologetics.
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I love to learn. yeah.
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You know, we bonded, we're both writers.
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So like, you know, it's like the smarts
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And like the english degree wants to come out
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And like write my way into their heart.
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But it's, at the end of the day, it's like, hey,
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That's not my job actually.
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Like, i'm not gonna be able to talk you into, into jesus.
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I'm not gonna be able to talk you into repentance.
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And kind of like the more, the more i, i try to do that,
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It seems like the more resistance i come up against.
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Whereas if i just sort of bless them in it and,
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And i'm talking about like the comments section,
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I'm not talking about like, you know,
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Interpersonal relationships just like shoo
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Shooing somebody away.
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But it's like in the comments, it's like, you know what,
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Like i am at this point where i believe
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That god is so much bigger than i ever understood
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Where it's at the point
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Where if you are doing new age stuff, i believe
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That he's big enough.
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And i don't wanna like cross a theological line,
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But i believe he's big enough to actually even use
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That to find you.
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So i'm not gonna try and talk you out of it.
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I'm gonna say, hey, you keep seeking, you keep seeking truth
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Because you will land on jesus eventually
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Because he is truth, he's capital t truth
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By name and by function.
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And if you keep pursuing that, you will land on him.
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I don't care if you're in the middle of a yoga class,
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He will show up and he will radically change your life.
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Yeah. well he's, the, the holy spirit's
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The one that convicts,
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And that has been, i think a more
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Successful, for lack of a better word,
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Kind of like approach.
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Yeah. as opposed to just like come in,
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Like you said, heavy handed.
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It's, and don't get me wrong, i'm still talking about
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How yoga's demonic because it's,
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But it's just when it comes
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To like the one-on-one conversation,
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'cause i think it's different when people seek it out.
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You know what i mean? yeah. like they want to learn more.
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So then they, they come across the content that's like
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Explaining the roots and the history
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And the origins of all the things.
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But when it's like one-on-one conversation, like it,
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It's harder for people to receive when it's,
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When it's just all demon, demon, demon, demon.
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It's like, i don't wanna talk
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To you actually about what the demons do.
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I wanna talk to you about the god that loves you so much
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That even while you are worshiping idols
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And while you are engaged in this demonic practice,
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Like he's still pursuing you right now.
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And i just want you to know that.
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Yeah. i forget who said it,
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But there's that quote, the man knocking on the door
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Of a brothel is searching for god.
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He just doesn't know it yet. yeah. right. and it's so true.
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It's like if we view people as like, hey, you're searching,
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You don't know what you're searching for yet,
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But i'm gonna guide you, not slap you down.
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Right. you know?
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Exactly. that's it.
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I was also thinking about the,
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We were talking earlier about people who are searching
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For the truth and they need the leading of the holy spirit
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To help convict them.
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And we should be able to present compassion to them,
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But also a demonstration of the lord's power.
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Amen. and so it's, it's that twofold.
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And so i love how you talked about not intellectualizing
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Everything, because when you do that,
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It's like you're looking at them as a project instead of a,
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An image bearer of god.
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Yeah. and so if we look at people with compassion
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And with the eyes of the lord
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And allow him to lead, he knows what
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That exact person will need.
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And i think a lot of the times right now is,
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Is we're intel intellectualizing so much and
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Or we're we're maybe a little too charismatic so much.
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Yeah. but it's that in-between. that's very helpful.
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You know, what the lord's really been doing in my heart is
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Showing me, you know, the demonstration, like you say,
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Like the demonstration i come not just word, but in power.
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The demonstration of the holy spirit is
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So much more than like being slain in the spirit
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Or having a demon cast out
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Or praying in tongue spontaneously.
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Like the demonstration of the holy spirit is self-control
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And is gentleness hello and is love.
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And he manifests through his people in those ways.
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And that is just as powerful
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As experiencing like the supernatural wonder
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Working power of him.
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And yeah, that's been something for me that i've,
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I don't know, that's been really like stirring
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And he's been really like pruning me through,
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I think your witness about christ could be just
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As effective with you not saying the thing
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That your flesh wants to say and you utilizing self-control
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And saying, hey, no, i'm gonna turn the other cheek.
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I'm gonna give my coat. that's what the scripture says.
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And i think a lot of people are not stepping into
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That because they wanna step into this complacency
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Of self-righteousness.
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It's so easy to do online too,
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Right?
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Oh yeah. you know, well as the, as the elder at the table
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And, and as a husband and father, like, i noticed a shift
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And people stopped listening to understand.
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And they listen to talk.
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Yeah. it's like as soon as they're waiting to jump in.
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And that, and the reason why i say that is
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Because as you mentioned, i have an eng english degree
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As well, and i used
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To host spirituality talks at indiana university in the
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Early two thousands,
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Probably when you were like, not born yet.
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And so like, and,
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But what happened was it blew up all over the campus.
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So we ended up, i mean, hundreds
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And hundreds of kids just wanted to get together
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And talk about what you believe and why.
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And i actually watch people change their minds.
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I actually watch, so you talk about discourse,
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Like it's historically it did work.
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Yeah. like you could actually have a conversation
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And people would like hear you out and change their mind
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And be, and to me the hallmark
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Of true intellectualism is changing your mind.
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Like i used to think this now i think this in the face
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Of better information,
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But now we're super conspiratorial. everything's
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Fake, everything's ai,
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Everything's some clandestine plan.
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Yeah. so it's like even in the face of information
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That could be fact, we don't perceive it as fact.
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And then what happens is we all are living in
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These echo chambers.
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So i think to your point
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And your point as well,
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Like we actually have now moved into an era
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Where we need the holy spirit to convict, to reveal.
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And that's what you saw. you, you mentioned paul, like, just
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To connect back into that story, he said,
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I'm the chief among sinners.
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Well how did he convert?
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It was a divine supernatural experience where
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The lord encountered him directly
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And like you said, could happen in a yoga class.
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And he even had to explain to the other apostles, well like,
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Let me explain how i got here.
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Like, jesus also told me to be here.
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'cause it was so divine, so sovereign.
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And i think that we now are reaching a point
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Where like there's so much access to information
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And there's so many good eloquent arguments,
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Even though they're false, that you need the holy spirit
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To communicate through that, you know, to reach people
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To a degree that, you know,
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Like maybe it hasn't been the case.
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Yeah. and i would say the warning in this era to the body
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Of christ is don't be so consumed with winning debates
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That you forget about winning souls.
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That's right. and i think when information,
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I mean we talk about 'em and everyone has access
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To every bit of information, and yet nothing's true.
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Everything's conspiratorial, everything's fake. right.
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And so we have to change the objective
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Because in the climate
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And the era that we're in, it's like, man, i don't know,
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Man, praise god for people on college campuses
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Battling out ideas.
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Right. but if that's our primary driver,
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We're existing in the soulish realm, in our mind,
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In our emotions, but we gotta be by the spirit.
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Yeah. more so than ever. yeah.
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I love that, that the spirit helps you control yourself.
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Yeah. yeah. you know that the fruits
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Of the spirit are evident,
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But what does that look like for somebody that,
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'cause i know we're gonna talk about like these different
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Categories today,
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And here's what's crazy, like i want to hear,
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Get your guys' take on this.
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So here in manhattan, i had this driver the other day
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Who basically said, hey, i'm muslim.
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And i was like, all right, cool, let's talk about it.
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And i said, tell me about your mosque.
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And he said, my mosque is growing significantly, we,
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We barely have room.
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And i said, well, who's showing up?
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And he said, it's, it's caucasian, like white females
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And it's african american males.
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And he's like, they're converting in droves.
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And then we, i recently had a friend who was telling me
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That she had a really good friend in full-time ministry
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Who just converted and sent me the link to her profile.
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And she's like, i'm not gonna take any
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Of my christian content down, but like, this is me
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And she's in a hijab.
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And she's like, this is who i am now.
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And i know this might be shocking.
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And so we're seeing kind of like the rise, i think
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Of false religions, you know,
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And to me we're, we're seeing that even more so,
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Especially here in new york city.
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So what do you guys think about that?
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'cause i know it kind of is like there's false sexual
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Identity, false spiritual identity.
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There's false religious affiliation.
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Like what, what do you make of that?
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Well, i keep thinking about it's based on works.
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And so everything that they're doing is based on them trying
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To achieve their eternity,
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Their salvation based on what they're doing.
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And that's, every other religion talks about that.
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But when we look at the bible says, hey,
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You're actually not a good person.
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Which is hard to hear, but it's true.
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Hey, our works are like filthy rags unto the lord.
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And when you take time to,
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I've been reading leviticus a lot, which is like, i know,
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But it's been actually beautiful.
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But anyway, as i'm reading leviticus
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And seeing how god is in like bringing reconciliation
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Through the sacrificial system, that's
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How you deal with sin.
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But if you're saying that, you know, whether that's islam
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Or any other religion, that it's based on works,
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There are things that are not gonna be justified.
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There are things that people will commit, sins
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That they will commit that it's not taken care of.
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But when we look at the lord
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And we look at the sacrifice of jesus,
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Every single thing from you being in sexual brokenness,
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A murderer, a liar, a gossiper, a cheater,
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Having unforgiveness, a lot of people forget
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That unforgiveness is not a good thing with the lord.
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But as you, you see all of this, jesus took care
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Of it on the cross.
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Everyone is not understanding that
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Their works are not it, it's not holy.
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God is requiring holiness.
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And i think people need that revelation that
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What they're seeking is actually the peace of god,
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Which comes from being holy
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And righteous, which only comes from jesus.
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Yeah. everything else will, it's, it's gonna fail.
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Yeah. yeah,
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Yeah.
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I agree. for me too.
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I see, i see like the big,
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The big predominating theme of
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Obviously there being, there being, they're being sold.
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And so they're buying into what is a lie.
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And you know, it's always,
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It's always a counterfeit in some form or another.
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And so i think about,
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Especially the last year i've been thinking about the verse,
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How it says the whole world, like the whole world, all
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Of its kingdoms, all of its faculties, all of its falsities,
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All of its fake religions.
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All of the things are under the sway of the evil one.
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And so, you know, you, you think, you think in the,
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In the desert how when satan tempted, even jesus
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With the kingdoms, like jesus didn't rebuke him
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And say, that's not yours to offer.
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It just came down to a matter of worship.
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Like, no, i'm not gonna worship you.
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I'm gonna worship my father.
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And it is written, you know, so
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What i'm getting at is all these different,
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All these false religions, all these false identities,
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All these different avenues of spirituality,
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Even like you were saying, like nationalism
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And like the political sys, all of these things
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Are operating under the sway of the evil one.
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And the bible even confirms that anyone
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That's not in christ, your son of the, you're filled
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With the spirit of disobedience.
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So they're going to be drawn to all of the faculties
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That the devil is operating through and within.
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And it, it's gonna be, it's gonna be almost effortless
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To get them to pledge allegiance to that in some form.
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Because again, i, i believe that they,
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Even though we all want truth, we all inherently crave jesus
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Because we're his creation and we long to know our creator.
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When when you are so filled with the spirit of the age,
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And then you're being offered what the spirit
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Of the age is tempting you with, you're gonna just kind
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Of bend the knee to that.
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And, and so, you know, i think it's just,
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I think it, i think it's just that we,
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We don't really understand like the magnitude of,
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Of the scripture when it says that, that really,
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Like the whole world is under this way of the evil one.
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And it's like, well why are people converting
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To false religions?
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Why are these numbers rising? well that's why, that's why.
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And it's all the more reason for us to be the light
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And to shine into these dark places.
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And you know, they always, they always offer up
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Just the same way satan did with jesus.
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They always offer up these things
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That they can't fully deliver on.
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It's all these false promises,
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But it looks on the surface, it looks good.
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It looks like you're gonna gain some real power from it.
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It looks inclusive, it looks accepting, it looks all
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Of the things that they've been deceived into believing
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Christianity is not.
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And then you see christianity through the framework,
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Ironically, of oppressive.
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Yeah. and you know, it's just the patriarchy, it's murder,
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It's rage, it's all these things.
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But the reason that works so well is
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Because everybody is, is viewing things through the lens
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Of the enemy who is putting, holding up this filter
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To the world and saying, look through this.
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Because he can.
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And so they're all looking through this, this lens
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Of falsity and they're, they're misperceiving it as
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What is actually good, but it's the broad road.
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And so it's just, i mean, it's really sad.
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Yeah. do you, and you know what,
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I'm gonna bring it full circle to what you said earlier.
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'cause that was so good by the way.
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Like you guys have been like this, this one was like, okay,
00:27:52.098 --> 00:27:55.401
I gotta watch this seven times 'cause they're so rich.
00:27:55.401 --> 00:27:57.970
You know, the insights and the revelations that you brought,
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But bringing it full circle to something you said,
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'cause this is what gives me hope.
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'cause i was deceived. we were all deceived. right?
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So what gives me hope is the evil one basically keeps
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Offering these lies and these counterfeit identities.
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And then you think like, well i'm going
00:28:13.886 --> 00:28:15.554
To achieve my identity, so i'm gonna conform to
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What lgbtq plus says.
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Right? and we've seen this body modification like
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Mutilation, you know, all kinds of hormones.
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Or it's like within witchcraft,
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I'm gonna achieve these higher levels.
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And you know, it's like you, you, we build our entire lives,
00:28:30.569 --> 00:28:33.405
Even in the intelligentsia academic realm.
00:28:33.405 --> 00:28:36.542
Like, i'm gonna get a double
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Doctorate and i'm gonna learn more.
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Like i'm wrapping my master's theology right now
00:28:39.245 --> 00:28:41.981
And i have a 4.0 and it didn't make me a soul winner.
00:28:41.981 --> 00:28:45.551
Like i don't see people leaving
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Seminary like i wanna lead the lost.
00:28:48.187 --> 00:28:50.289
Right. it's like, it because you get consumed with this,
00:28:50.289 --> 00:28:53.125
I'm going to achieve this level of intellectualism.
00:28:53.125 --> 00:28:57.229
And you know, it's just,
00:28:57.229 --> 00:28:58.597
And you see that right now in every direction.
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But the hope that i have is, and this is the same thing
00:29:00.266 --> 00:29:04.770
That happened when the first jesus movement hit in
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The united states.
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It's like we reached the apex of all this seeking.
00:29:08.941 --> 00:29:12.411
So you had like, and that's really the hippie movement at
00:29:12.411 --> 00:29:14.980
Hate ashbury.
00:29:14.980 --> 00:29:16.549
You had people we're leaving corporate america, we're tired
00:29:16.549 --> 00:29:19.351
Of that we're not gonna try to achieve in
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The financial realm.
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But then they just reallocated that desire
00:29:22.354 --> 00:29:24.924
To achieve within the music industry within, you know,
00:29:24.924 --> 00:29:28.027
Then it's recreational drug drug use, unwanted pregnancy,
00:29:28.027 --> 00:29:31.363
Sexually transmitted diseases.
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And it all reached this fever pitch where they're like, none
00:29:33.065 --> 00:29:36.669
Of the false religions were are working,
00:29:36.669 --> 00:29:38.704
Things are getting worse.
00:29:38.704 --> 00:29:40.506
Yeah. and then when it reaches that threshold of like,
00:29:40.506 --> 00:29:43.576
Oh my gosh, like i thought islam was the answer.
00:29:43.576 --> 00:29:46.178
Yeah. and now i'm in a toxic, abusive relationship. yeah.
00:29:46.178 --> 00:29:49.048
Even though i did this for strong male leadership, right.
00:29:49.048 --> 00:29:51.851
That whatever that situation is. yeah.
00:29:51.851 --> 00:29:54.186
Or like, you know, i'm in the new age
00:29:54.186 --> 00:29:55.754
And i realize like it is demonic,
00:29:55.754 --> 00:29:57.756
But how i know is it's all turning on me.
00:29:57.756 --> 00:29:59.658
And i i the worst. 'cause the,
00:29:59.658 --> 00:30:01.026
The allegiance that i'm talking about, the allegiance
00:30:01.026 --> 00:30:02.595
To the devil, it's al it always costs you.
00:30:02.595 --> 00:30:05.197
That's it. he offers it as it's free. right.
00:30:05.197 --> 00:30:08.300
But it will cost you everything. and what happens, yeah.
00:30:08.300 --> 00:30:11.604
They get to the end of themselves.
00:30:11.604 --> 00:30:13.005
You know, it's like you have another sexual partner
00:30:13.005 --> 00:30:15.140
And you've done the things, or here's the other thing.
00:30:15.140 --> 00:30:18.043
So i had one
00:30:18.043 --> 00:30:19.478
Of my favorite musician artists back in the day when i
00:30:19.478 --> 00:30:22.147
Wasn't a christian, is this woman named ani defranco.
00:30:22.147 --> 00:30:24.783
You probably don't even know who she is,
00:30:24.783 --> 00:30:26.518
But she was a champion of feminism.
00:30:26.518 --> 00:30:29.255
She was a champion of lgbtq plus back in the day.
00:30:29.255 --> 00:30:33.058
And this was when i was not a believer.
00:30:33.058 --> 00:30:35.828
So the other day i was like, whatever happened to ani,
00:30:35.828 --> 00:30:38.597
You know, like, and you know what she,
00:30:38.597 --> 00:30:40.032
So i watched a new interview where she said,
00:30:40.032 --> 00:30:42.835
I never thought in a million years that 25 years later
00:30:42.835 --> 00:30:47.806
After my career that i would be cannibalized
00:30:47.806 --> 00:30:50.709
By the same community that i thought that i was supporting.
00:30:50.709 --> 00:30:54.546
And she, and basically what she was saying was like,
00:30:54.546 --> 00:30:57.416
To the lgbtq plus community,
00:30:57.416 --> 00:30:59.218
You can never say anything. right?
00:30:59.218 --> 00:31:00.853
Right. and but,
00:31:00.853 --> 00:31:02.254
But my point is it's like that happens in islam.
00:31:02.254 --> 00:31:04.990
You're not, it's like somehow
00:31:04.990 --> 00:31:06.292
Or another, no matter how hard you try
00:31:06.292 --> 00:31:07.960
To achieve the highest level, you're never good enough.
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.596
There's no rest, there's no, it's like there's no,
00:31:10.596 --> 00:31:12.665
And she's like, i was the champion of this movement
00:31:12.665 --> 00:31:15.801
And now it's literally eating me alive
00:31:15.801 --> 00:31:17.970
And canceling me over and over and over again.
00:31:17.970 --> 00:31:20.272
And you see that where it's like, for as much
00:31:20.272 --> 00:31:22.841
As we think we're against islam, islam is against islam.
00:31:22.841 --> 00:31:26.812
They literally have all these factions fighting.
00:31:26.812 --> 00:31:29.581
It's, and so i say all that to say one thing.
00:31:29.581 --> 00:31:33.118
I believe that we are in the second jesus movement now.
00:31:33.118 --> 00:31:37.256
And i believe that prophetically where as people get
00:31:37.256 --> 00:31:41.160
To the end of themselves, even within christianity,
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.063
False christianity, is you're never, you can't ever say it.
00:31:44.063 --> 00:31:46.932
Right. they cannibalize themselves. right.
00:31:46.932 --> 00:31:49.601
Like, and i'll be honest with you, i'm pretty apolitical
00:31:49.601 --> 00:31:53.973
What it meant to be a democrat 20 years ago.
00:31:54.907 --> 00:31:56.976
And i know this 'cause i was hyper political is now
00:31:56.976 --> 00:31:59.712
What a republican is today.
00:31:59.712 --> 00:32:01.213
And i can prove it. and i sat across the table from hakeem
00:32:01.213 --> 00:32:04.483
Jeffries, who's the highest ranking democrat in the nation
00:32:04.483 --> 00:32:07.186
And was like, why is it
00:32:07.186 --> 00:32:08.687
That 20 years ago the democrats supported israel and the,
00:32:08.687 --> 00:32:11.824
And that's what they were known for and not the republicans.
00:32:11.824 --> 00:32:14.927
And it swapped all these people building their identity in
00:32:14.927 --> 00:32:19.098
2020 era republicanism, 20 years from now,
00:32:19.098 --> 00:32:24.036
The whole platform will shift.
00:32:24.036 --> 00:32:25.904
Yeah. so this one, it's all sinking sand.
00:32:25.904 --> 00:32:28.173
And that to me brings me hope now
00:32:28.173 --> 00:32:29.908
'cause that this is coming from the gray-haired guy is
00:32:29.908 --> 00:32:32.845
Because when all of it falls apart,
00:32:32.845 --> 00:32:35.714
The only thing remaining is christ.
00:32:35.714 --> 00:32:38.417
And for those who have eyes, they will see.
00:32:38.417 --> 00:32:41.153
And those who have ears, they will hear.
00:32:41.153 --> 00:32:42.988
And i believe we're about to see this massive groundswell
00:32:42.988 --> 00:32:47.092
For this next movement.
00:32:47.092 --> 00:32:48.927
I know i ranted.
00:32:48.927 --> 00:32:50.462
But that was like you guys actually, the more you talked,
00:32:50.462 --> 00:32:52.698
I was like, we, it really is.
00:32:52.698 --> 00:32:55.100
It's like you can try to convince somebody
00:32:55.100 --> 00:32:56.902
To pray the gay away.
00:32:56.902 --> 00:32:59.138
You can try to convince somebody
00:32:59.138 --> 00:33:00.472
To throw your crystals away inside, whatever.
00:33:00.472 --> 00:33:02.241
But even if you don't succeed in that, even if
00:33:02.241 --> 00:33:05.878
That they will eventually get to the point
00:33:05.878 --> 00:33:07.679
Where they're just like, this feels so vain and hollow
00:33:07.679 --> 00:33:11.150
And like there's gotta be something else.
00:33:11.150 --> 00:33:12.985
And i think that's what you were trying to say.
00:33:12.985 --> 00:33:14.586
Yeah. well, you know,
00:33:14.586 --> 00:33:16.055
'cause it's like, it's twofold, right?
00:33:16.055 --> 00:33:18.924
We know that the world satan's dominion in a way,
00:33:18.924 --> 00:33:22.761
But we also know that all
00:33:22.761 --> 00:33:25.330
Of creation is held together by christ.
00:33:25.330 --> 00:33:27.332
Yeah. so even though that's true about the devil
00:33:27.332 --> 00:33:29.568
And that he's doing mental
00:33:29.568 --> 00:33:32.237
And literal gymnastics at this time,
00:33:32.237 --> 00:33:34.907
God is still sovereign over all of it.
00:33:34.907 --> 00:33:37.042
And he is always like 25 million steps ahead of
00:33:37.042 --> 00:33:41.280
What the enemy's doing.
00:33:41.280 --> 00:33:42.815
So the enemy does something and thinks he wins,
00:33:42.815 --> 00:33:45.451
But then god turns around and uses it for his good
00:33:45.451 --> 00:33:49.755
And his glory and that.
00:33:49.755 --> 00:33:51.356
And that's, i think what, you know, i'm thinking about
00:33:51.356 --> 00:33:53.425
That scripture as you're talking, like that tension
00:33:53.425 --> 00:33:55.561
Of recognizing literally every, even the very breath
00:33:55.561 --> 00:34:00.032
That all of us here are taking right now.
00:34:00.032 --> 00:34:02.067
Like the, the molecules from the light.
00:34:02.067 --> 00:34:04.837
Like it's all held together by jesus.
00:34:04.837 --> 00:34:07.506
And without him none of it exists.
00:34:07.506 --> 00:34:09.808
And there will come a point when people that convert
00:34:10.876 --> 00:34:14.613
To islam, when people that are in the l-g-b-t-q community,
00:34:14.613 --> 00:34:18.784
People that are in new age spirituality,
00:34:18.784 --> 00:34:20.886
They will recognize that.
00:34:20.886 --> 00:34:23.555
And they will have this like, awakening, awakening
00:34:23.555 --> 00:34:27.459
That they think that they're, you know, already achieving
00:34:27.459 --> 00:34:29.928
Through their own works and through their own boasting
00:34:29.928 --> 00:34:31.730
And through their own pride
00:34:31.730 --> 00:34:34.099
And through their false allegiance.
00:34:34.099 --> 00:34:36.268
But it's all, it's all him.
00:34:36.268 --> 00:34:39.138
And i just, you know, the more, the more like faith, the,
00:34:39.138 --> 00:34:43.408
The more my, the measure of my faith has increased,
00:34:43.408 --> 00:34:46.979
The more peace that i have in just knowing that he,
00:34:46.979 --> 00:34:51.250
He will have his way.
00:34:51.250 --> 00:34:52.951
Yeah. and his redemptive plan is like
00:34:52.951 --> 00:34:54.486
Going off without a hitch.
00:34:54.486 --> 00:34:55.521
No matter. no matter what.
00:34:55.521 --> 00:34:56.989
And it's like an honor to be able to participate in
00:34:56.989 --> 00:34:59.491
That in some capacity.
00:34:59.491 --> 00:35:01.160
Well you know what it is, what i see god doing in you,
00:35:01.160 --> 00:35:03.629
It's like witchcraft is controlling other people,
00:35:03.629 --> 00:35:06.665
But then the fruit of the spirit is self-control.
00:35:06.665 --> 00:35:09.101
And it almost sounds like you're saying so funny.
00:35:09.101 --> 00:35:10.802
The peace that i'm having is that i feel less of a desire
00:35:10.802 --> 00:35:14.373
To even attempt to control anyone or anything else.
00:35:14.373 --> 00:35:17.309
But meanwhile my self-control is increasing. right. and
00:35:17.309 --> 00:35:20.913
I think that is part of the piece.
00:35:20.913 --> 00:35:22.181
'cause i'm super cleric
00:35:22.181 --> 00:35:23.582
And i, there's a fine line
00:35:23.582 --> 00:35:25.050
Between being a leader and being a witch.
00:35:25.050 --> 00:35:27.486
Yeah. or, or a warlock.
00:35:27.986 --> 00:35:29.521
And i feel like the lord's been telling me like, you know
00:35:29.521 --> 00:35:31.456
What mike, it's not your job to save new york city.
00:35:31.456 --> 00:35:33.959
I've already saved it
00:35:33.959 --> 00:35:35.627
And i'm gonna bring them into the knowledge of it.
00:35:35.627 --> 00:35:37.729
Now you're a conduit. yeah. so be faithful.
00:35:37.729 --> 00:35:40.432
Say what i tell you to say, do what i tell you to do,
00:35:40.432 --> 00:35:42.601
But leave the results exactly on me.
00:35:42.601 --> 00:35:45.170
And i'm like resting in that more and more and more
00:35:45.170 --> 00:35:47.339
Because it's like, so i've preached
00:35:47.339 --> 00:35:49.808
For years about sexuality and about identity
00:35:49.808 --> 00:35:53.212
And there have been many homosexuals
00:35:53.212 --> 00:35:55.214
Who have left our church,
00:35:55.214 --> 00:35:56.815
But then there's the ones that they hear the same message,
00:35:56.815 --> 00:35:59.618
But it's a different result. yeah. and
00:35:59.618 --> 00:36:01.220
They're like, i need this lord.
00:36:01.220 --> 00:36:03.055
And they repent and then they get married
00:36:03.055 --> 00:36:04.856
And they have families and fruit that remains.
00:36:04.856 --> 00:36:07.159
So it's like my obligation is the message.
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.061
God's obligation is a result.
00:36:09.061 --> 00:36:11.063
And so what makes us different than witchcraft is like yeah.
00:36:11.063 --> 00:36:14.466
We don't even control the results.
00:36:14.466 --> 00:36:16.168
Yeah. you know?
00:36:16.168 --> 00:36:17.636
Well jesus said my yoke is easy, my burden is light.
00:36:17.636 --> 00:36:19.771
That's what he said. and so much of the turmoil
00:36:19.771 --> 00:36:22.407
That people are in is taken on something
00:36:22.407 --> 00:36:24.810
That jesus never told us to take on.
00:36:24.810 --> 00:36:26.578
Come on. so it's, i'm gonna control the world around me.
00:36:26.578 --> 00:36:29.848
Yeah. the people around me, when we're called
00:36:29.848 --> 00:36:31.316
To have self-control, i'm gonna create my identity.
00:36:31.316 --> 00:36:34.786
Right. instead of receiving my identity. yeah.
00:36:34.786 --> 00:36:37.122
In church, i'm gonna control the, the church when like,
00:36:37.122 --> 00:36:40.726
Hey, i'm called to submit.
00:36:40.726 --> 00:36:42.494
And so all the, all the confusion,
00:36:42.494 --> 00:36:45.197
All the pain, release it.
00:36:45.197 --> 00:36:48.000
Man. i think if you were
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.401
To sum up the whole thing we just talked about,
00:36:49.401 --> 00:36:51.637
It's all about control.
00:36:51.637 --> 00:36:53.305
Yeah. because it's like isn't cancel culture control is it's
00:36:53.305 --> 00:36:57.075
In it all the, the comment section, isn't it control,
00:36:57.075 --> 00:37:00.012
Like it's everybody trying to control everybody else.
00:37:00.012 --> 00:37:03.248
And i think even the false religion,
00:37:03.248 --> 00:37:05.784
Like i'm gonna finally take control of my life.
00:37:05.784 --> 00:37:07.853
Right. you know, like i think why, why go to islam
00:37:07.853 --> 00:37:10.555
Because i'm tired of all this.
00:37:10.555 --> 00:37:12.024
I'm gonna have strong male headship
00:37:12.024 --> 00:37:13.558
And i'm gonna have a brotherhood in islam.
00:37:13.558 --> 00:37:15.460
Yeah. you know, or why join, you know, the new age
00:37:15.460 --> 00:37:18.130
Or why it's all the root of it's all control.
00:37:18.130 --> 00:37:20.666
And i think we gotta be careful
00:37:20.666 --> 00:37:22.234
Because that even that control can seep into christianity,
00:37:22.234 --> 00:37:24.970
I guess.
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Which then taints it.
00:37:25.971 --> 00:37:27.472
But i think what the, the,
00:37:27.472 --> 00:37:29.708
Because i was like, lord, what am i sensing
00:37:29.708 --> 00:37:31.310
Spiritually while we're all together?
00:37:31.310 --> 00:37:32.811
And i think we're all on a journey of dying to
00:37:32.811 --> 00:37:36.081
That on every level.
00:37:36.081 --> 00:37:37.582
Yeah. you know, because then that's
00:37:37.582 --> 00:37:38.917
What you disciple in other people, you know,
00:37:38.917 --> 00:37:40.952
And there's freedom in it.
00:37:40.952 --> 00:37:42.487
Yeah. a lot of people don't think that there's freedom,
00:37:42.487 --> 00:37:44.956
But there's freedom when you give control away.
00:37:44.956 --> 00:37:47.592
Yeah. and trusting in the lord.
00:37:47.592 --> 00:37:49.061
Leaning that on your own understanding. yeah. yeah.
00:37:49.061 --> 00:37:51.730
That's it. yeah. yeah.
00:37:51.730 --> 00:37:53.198
Well even like why have these sexual desires?
00:37:53.198 --> 00:37:55.300
Well i'm gonna control how they get fulfilled. right.
00:37:55.300 --> 00:37:58.036
Versus like, no lord, i'm gonna submit it.
00:37:58.937 --> 00:38:01.106
You know, i think like you said though,
00:38:01.106 --> 00:38:02.708
That you spoke like a pastor, come on.
00:38:02.708 --> 00:38:04.609
You know, submit to the church. go ahead and cancel evan.
00:38:04.609 --> 00:38:06.812
Let's go. you know?
00:38:06.812 --> 00:38:08.046
But, but again, people,
00:38:08.046 --> 00:38:09.648
People now have forsaken all of the epistles.
00:38:09.648 --> 00:38:12.718
Yeah. and they forsaken the structure
00:38:12.718 --> 00:38:14.453
Of leadership that's placed in their life.
00:38:14.453 --> 00:38:16.054
And james chapter five says, are there any sick
00:38:16.054 --> 00:38:18.657
Among you come to the elders
00:38:18.657 --> 00:38:20.192
And have them anoint you with oil and lay hands on you.
00:38:20.192 --> 00:38:22.194
Well how can you fulfill james five if you
00:38:22.194 --> 00:38:23.962
Don't have any elders?
00:38:23.962 --> 00:38:25.397
So it's like, there is clearly a structure
00:38:25.397 --> 00:38:27.766
And that's not debatable.
00:38:27.766 --> 00:38:29.501
And i even see gen z literally going in the direction
00:38:29.501 --> 00:38:32.938
Of papal rome and it's like,
00:38:32.938 --> 00:38:34.573
Why are gen z flocking to catholicism?
00:38:34.573 --> 00:38:36.908
And it's like, i think part,
00:38:36.908 --> 00:38:38.110
You got another 45 minutes. goodness,
00:38:38.110 --> 00:38:40.212
There's a lot that maybe would be part three.
00:38:40.212 --> 00:38:42.681
Part three, let's go.
00:38:42.681 --> 00:38:43.882
Because, but i think even part
00:38:43.882 --> 00:38:45.350
Of it is like you're seeing extremes
00:38:45.350 --> 00:38:46.852
Where they're either like, i don't want to go
00:38:46.852 --> 00:38:48.253
To church at all, or i want to go into some sort
00:38:48.253 --> 00:38:51.089
Of, i wanna talk about the control thing.
00:38:51.089 --> 00:38:52.891
That's it. because the world is so out of control
00:38:52.891 --> 00:38:54.860
And people think that they want that lack of control.
00:38:54.860 --> 00:38:57.396
Yeah. and then they see something like catholicism
00:38:57.396 --> 00:38:59.831
Or orthodoxy and they're like, oh wow.
00:38:59.831 --> 00:39:01.366
It's tradition. it's order. yeah. it's structure. yeah.
00:39:01.366 --> 00:39:04.002
So they go to the opposite end of the pendulum.
00:39:04.002 --> 00:39:06.972
That's which is also incorrect.
00:39:06.972 --> 00:39:08.607
You're stealing the words. right. it it's formal.
00:39:08.607 --> 00:39:10.876
It's like, it's just crazy.
00:39:10.876 --> 00:39:12.244
It's like two ends of the extreme spectrum. yeah.
00:39:12.244 --> 00:39:14.012
And it's like, yes. and so people are gonna be mad.
00:39:14.012 --> 00:39:16.882
Like i came from a sicilian italian catholic family and so,
00:39:16.882 --> 00:39:21.853
And i've, i think even so right now, my team told me
00:39:21.853 --> 00:39:25.023
That my website mike signorelli.com ranks number one in the
00:39:25.023 --> 00:39:28.560
Entire world for the search term protestantism
00:39:28.560 --> 00:39:31.062
Versus catholicism.
00:39:31.062 --> 00:39:32.297
Wow. and it's because my videos
00:39:32.297 --> 00:39:34.466
And my blogs have ranked globally on that topic.
00:39:34.466 --> 00:39:37.369
However, i've been in a place
00:39:37.369 --> 00:39:39.604
Of deep repentance about the way i've dealt with the topic
00:39:39.604 --> 00:39:43.208
Because i don't know how many catholics i've converted
00:39:43.208 --> 00:39:46.678
To protestantism.
00:39:46.678 --> 00:39:48.213
And because like i've said a lot, you know how you said
00:39:48.213 --> 00:39:50.749
Ouch, people leave witch, people leave witchcraft
00:39:50.749 --> 00:39:53.652
And it's like everything's a demon.
00:39:53.652 --> 00:39:55.253
And you know, i feel like i did the protestant version of
00:39:55.253 --> 00:39:57.789
That for catholicism because of all my wounds.
00:39:57.789 --> 00:40:01.126
'cause like when i, when i became a protestant, like it,
00:40:01.126 --> 00:40:03.962
It was as if i killed my family.
00:40:03.962 --> 00:40:06.565
Like literally they just, some of them disown me.
00:40:06.565 --> 00:40:09.201
So, and i was like, when they told me
00:40:09.201 --> 00:40:10.869
That my website ranks number one in the world for that,
00:40:10.869 --> 00:40:13.371
That search term, i was like, this is a big responsibility
00:40:13.371 --> 00:40:16.908
And lord, have i mismanaged it.
00:40:16.908 --> 00:40:18.710
So i don't know the answer to that
00:40:18.710 --> 00:40:20.745
Because to be honest with you,
00:40:20.745 --> 00:40:22.013
You probably have never met anybody more
00:40:22.013 --> 00:40:23.715
Anti-catholic than me.
00:40:23.715 --> 00:40:25.684
And like, i've literally toured the vatican
00:40:26.551 --> 00:40:28.887
With a proctored third party historian
00:40:28.887 --> 00:40:31.122
And i've done all this stuff.
00:40:31.122 --> 00:40:32.757
But again, like i, you know,
00:40:32.757 --> 00:40:35.927
Well it's the same as everything else
00:40:35.927 --> 00:40:37.295
That we're talking about in a way
00:40:37.295 --> 00:40:38.563
Because it's like, it's like i'm anti-catholic,
00:40:38.563 --> 00:40:42.167
I'm anti lgb lgbtq, i'm anti new age, i'm anti-islam,
00:40:42.167 --> 00:40:45.170
I'm anti all, like we said, i'm anti anything anti-christ.
00:40:45.170 --> 00:40:48.807
But it's like, it's not the people that i'm anti yeah.
00:40:48.807 --> 00:40:51.443
I'm, it's it's the doctrine. it's the lie.
00:40:51.443 --> 00:40:53.578
It's the deception. yeah. that i'm coming against.
00:40:53.578 --> 00:40:56.014
It's not about the people,
00:40:56.014 --> 00:40:57.315
But it goes back to in, in, in terms of control.
00:40:57.315 --> 00:41:01.086
That, that goes back to an identity thing as well.
00:41:01.086 --> 00:41:04.022
Because they identify with, i'm a catholic, they identify
00:41:04.022 --> 00:41:07.959
With, i am, i don't know, a i am lightworker.
00:41:07.959 --> 00:41:11.796
Like i used to think i'm a witch.
00:41:11.796 --> 00:41:13.265
I am, i am gay, i'm whatever i am, i'm very,
00:41:13.265 --> 00:41:17.302
I'm you are, i'm
00:41:17.302 --> 00:41:18.303
A no, it's coming out
00:41:18.303 --> 00:41:21.206
Breaking.
00:41:21.206 --> 00:41:22.340
I identify as a all of the pronouns
00:41:22.340 --> 00:41:24.442
That are definitely changing. very confusing.
00:41:24.442 --> 00:41:27.145
It's, there's so much. yeah.
00:41:27.145 --> 00:41:28.914
But that, but that's the thing though, is like that it's,
00:41:28.914 --> 00:41:30.815
It's all a matter of identity and wow.
00:41:30.815 --> 00:41:33.718
And putting it in a, in a, in a, in a false identity.
00:41:33.718 --> 00:41:37.923
And, and, and using that as the metric of who they are when
00:41:37.923 --> 00:41:42.494
It's not, it's just something that they have constructed
00:41:43.628 --> 00:41:45.964
And they have built up
00:41:45.964 --> 00:41:47.232
And they have cultivated by giving into the lies
00:41:47.232 --> 00:41:51.703
That the enemy has sold them of you can have x, y, z,
00:41:51.703 --> 00:41:55.774
You can have this, you can have that.
00:41:55.774 --> 00:41:57.742
And then eventually it, it can't hold itself up
00:41:57.742 --> 00:42:00.879
Because it's sand like you said, it's not solid.
00:42:00.879 --> 00:42:03.315
It's not built on the solid foundation of christ.
00:42:03.315 --> 00:42:05.984
It's like a house of cards.
00:42:05.984 --> 00:42:07.485
And so when you blow at it with this like a, a whistle
00:42:07.485 --> 00:42:11.456
Of truth or a butterfly flap wing of objectivity
00:42:11.456 --> 00:42:15.493
Or of something that just comes against it, like saying,
00:42:15.493 --> 00:42:18.129
Hey, christ is the way, the truth, the life, it's just meant
00:42:18.129 --> 00:42:21.967
With vitriol because that's
00:42:21.967 --> 00:42:24.436
Where they are finding themselves.
00:42:24.436 --> 00:42:27.639
And that's the mistake with, with all of it,
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:29.708
Including catholicism.
00:42:29.708 --> 00:42:31.843
'cause you're finding yourself in the thing
00:42:31.843 --> 00:42:34.946
Rather than in him.
00:42:34.946 --> 00:42:36.414
That's where we all, that's where we all fall apart
00:42:37.449 --> 00:42:39.384
Him instead of the thing.
00:42:39.384 --> 00:42:41.119
Yeah. that's so good.
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:42.387
You know? and when, man, that's so good, so good.
00:42:42.387 --> 00:42:44.322
When they're training lifeguards, they'll train you.
00:42:44.322 --> 00:42:46.491
When somebody is drowning, when they're in a level
00:42:46.491 --> 00:42:49.527
Of desperation, fearful for their life,
00:42:49.527 --> 00:42:51.896
They will start flailing.
00:42:51.896 --> 00:42:53.431
They will start just struggling.
00:42:53.431 --> 00:42:55.533
And i think we've got a lot of people flailing in life.
00:42:55.533 --> 00:42:58.370
And what they'll actually teach you is
00:42:58.370 --> 00:43:00.839
That they will actually attack the person,
00:43:00.839 --> 00:43:03.074
The lifeguard, trying to save them.
00:43:03.074 --> 00:43:04.976
Mm. because they're not in their right mind
00:43:04.976 --> 00:43:06.478
Because they're, they're desperate.
00:43:06.478 --> 00:43:08.580
And so i think we've got a lot of people
00:43:08.580 --> 00:43:10.281
That they feel like they're drowning in depression,
00:43:10.281 --> 00:43:12.751
In confusion, mistaken identity.
00:43:12.751 --> 00:43:15.654
And so when, when somebody does come in
00:43:15.654 --> 00:43:17.856
And try to say, hey, that's, that's not the way.
00:43:17.856 --> 00:43:19.958
I think when we're met with that vitriol, we as christians,
00:43:19.958 --> 00:43:23.094
Just to bring it full circle,
00:43:23.094 --> 00:43:24.529
We gotta recognize they're not against me.
00:43:24.529 --> 00:43:26.598
Yeah. right. they're just flailing right now. yeah.
00:43:26.598 --> 00:43:28.466
Yeah. and so i gotta persist
00:43:28.466 --> 00:43:29.901
And i gotta pull this person through
00:43:29.901 --> 00:43:31.936
And we gotta win souls not debates.
00:43:31.936 --> 00:43:34.239
Yeah, man. that's so good. this has been amazing guys.
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.008
So part three apparently is gonna be protestantism versus
00:43:37.008 --> 00:43:40.679
Catholicism.
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:42.213
I don't know, we'll have to figure it out. but thank you
00:43:43.348 --> 00:43:44.149
So much for coming out.
00:43:44.149 --> 00:43:45.283
And this is just, you know,
00:43:45.283 --> 00:43:47.652
When i think about the la the first one, so we'll link it
00:43:47.652 --> 00:43:49.988
So you guys can watch part one and part two,
00:43:49.988 --> 00:43:52.223
And you can just see how i miraculously grew hair in
00:43:52.223 --> 00:43:55.293
Between episodes.
00:43:55.293 --> 00:43:57.128
But this, i, i really appreciate you guys
00:43:57.128 --> 00:44:00.098
Because you know, these conversations are rare.
00:44:00.098 --> 00:44:03.635
And i think to your point,
00:44:03.635 --> 00:44:04.903
Like when it's like we're attacking the lie,
00:44:04.903 --> 00:44:07.539
Not your identity. yeah.
00:44:07.539 --> 00:44:08.873
But if you made your identity a lie,
00:44:08.873 --> 00:44:11.710
You're always gonna feel like you're under attack.
00:44:11.710 --> 00:44:14.379
Yeah. and so i think what you guys were brave enough to do,
00:44:14.379 --> 00:44:16.715
What i was brave enough to do was to actually
00:44:16.715 --> 00:44:19.851
Separate my identity from that lie and say, what am i?
00:44:19.851 --> 00:44:23.688
And you know,
00:44:23.688 --> 00:44:25.056
I think there's many people watching right now,
00:44:25.056 --> 00:44:26.491
I wanna say this with gentleness.
00:44:26.491 --> 00:44:28.593
At the end of the day, i'm a dad, i'm a father.
00:44:28.593 --> 00:44:31.229
And there's many of you watching right now that like,
00:44:31.229 --> 00:44:33.832
There's something deep down inside of you
00:44:33.832 --> 00:44:36.000
That felt like a little attacked.
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.136
But also there was something even deeper than that,
00:44:38.136 --> 00:44:40.605
That felt this awareness of this.
00:44:40.605 --> 00:44:42.907
I think this is true.
00:44:42.907 --> 00:44:44.509
And i believe the holy spirit is
00:44:44.509 --> 00:44:47.045
Ministering to you right now.
00:44:47.045 --> 00:44:48.313
And you've probably been clicking through content
00:44:48.313 --> 00:44:50.281
And like as you're clicking through, you're, you just,
00:44:50.281 --> 00:44:52.951
You know, it's not random
00:44:52.951 --> 00:44:54.519
And you just listen all the way through.
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:56.054
So i want to give you an invitation
00:44:56.054 --> 00:44:57.956
To actually surrender your life to jesus right now.
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And romans chapter 10, verse nine actually tells you how,
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Because identity is not achieved, it's received.
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And i didn't understand that because i never had a dad.
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I was fatherless.
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And so i was like,
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I'm gonna make myself into something of worth.
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And that caused me to become a hyper achiever.
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And i would do all these things that the world would view
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As success, but i felt worse.
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And then when my biological father died, my,
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My whole world fell apart and it,
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And it opened up this father wound.
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And so i really believe that the lord is speaking
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To you like the holy spirit speaking to you right now.
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And i have two daughters now, and it's crazy
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Because they're not like me.
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They don't sweat when they meet people.
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They're not socially awkward.
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And they have this confidence
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And they have this, they just walk into a room
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And they can be themselves
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And they don't worry where they're
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Getting their next meal from.
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And i used to go to bed hungry at night
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And it was just like,
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But i see what the effect of a real father in their life.
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And i believe that if i could see that with my daughters
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Who have a physical father, how much more the effects
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Of a spiritual father.
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And so i wanna pray for you right now
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Because you're, this is an identity
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That you just simply receive it.
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And one of my favorite scriptures is, son,
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I loved you at your darkest.
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And like his love is not contingent on what i do.
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Like you said, we can't earn it. he's the son.
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I loved you at your darkest.
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And so the lord's here right now drawing you.
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Romans chapter 10 verse nine says, confess with your mouth,
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Believe in your heart that he is the savior
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And you will be saved.
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And i wanna lead you in that prayer right now just
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To invite him in and just to fully surrender.
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But part of that surrender is everything that's false.
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Like, lord, i'm laying it all down, anything
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That you're asking me to.
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And the holy spirit will put you on a journey to do that.
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So let's, let's just pray right now.
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And you could even borrow my words.
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It's just a confession of faith.
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And it's just saying, okay, i acknowledge
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That you're drawing me to this place, god,
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And i want to just give you my life.
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So let's just pray together and just say this very simply.
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Heavenly father, forgive me of all my sins.
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Wash me with your blood.
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I thank you for the cross where i receive my identity.
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And father, i give my entire life to you.
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And i surrender everything right now in jesus' name. amen.
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And i wanna do something. so i have this like little book
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Called journey with jesus that i want to give you so
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That you can learn about what those like
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That journey looks like now.
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'cause you might be like, okay, now what do i do?
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And so the links in the description,
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It's here on the screen as well.
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And i would love to get the journey with jesus.
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It's like super quick book.
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And then we wanna stay in contact with you also.
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Like i have an entire team that literally 24 7 prays
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For people all over the world.
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And so if you're like, man, i feel like
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I maybe want to end my life.
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I feel like i'm extremely depressed.
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I, i i need more like this conversation opened up all these
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Things and i want to talk to somebody.
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I'm, i'm really proud to say that we have a lot
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Of really special people that are,
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That have devoted themselves
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To literally picking up a phone.
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I actually listened to my own daughter call them a couple
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Months ago and was crying, listen to how they helped her.
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So that number's on the screen right now.
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So just go ahead and call them like, grab your cell phone
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Or switch over and call 'em right now.
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And they wanna pray for you.
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And we'll see you in the next video.
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And we're excited about your journey. love you guys.
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Jesus said in matthew seven, narrow is the gate
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And difficult is the way that leads to life.
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In a world that celebrates compromise, god calls us
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To live set apart, to walk the narrow way with courage,
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Conviction, and faith.
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Stay connected and learn more at mikesignorelli.com.
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Mike Signorelli - Sexuality, Spirituality, and False Religion

July 9, 2026 | 49:4

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