Greg Laurie - Greg Laurie Podcast with Marco Rubio

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Harvest with Pastor Greg Laurie | Greg Laurie - Greg Laurie Podcast with Marco Rubio | June 28, 2026

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Secretary marco rubio: what are the atoms?
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What is the basic structures of--structural blocks of a
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Society and of a country?
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And if you begin to think about what it is, it's actually
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Communities built by families and homes.
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So i always tell people the most important thing and i'm--that
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Happens in our country is not what happens in the white house,
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Is what happens in your house.
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♪ this is the day, the day when life begins ♪
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♪ this is the day, the day when life begins ♪♪
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Greg laurie: greg laurie here in our nation's capital, washington
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Dc, and i'm in the state department.
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And this is a very important building for the staff that
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Serves our nation and it is directed by our secretary of
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State, marco rubio.
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And so i met secretary rubio over ten years ago when he was
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Then senator rubio and he came to a couples conference i was
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Speaking at.
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And someone said, "would you like to meet marco rubio?"
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They didn't say, "senator marco rubio."
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I thought, wow, someone with the same name as a
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Well-known senator.
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Well, it turned out to be one and the same, and we got to know
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Marco and his wife jeanette.
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So i had the unique honor to just sit down with secretary of
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State marco rubio and talk about his role, his pivotal role that
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He is playing in our nation right now.
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So join me now for this special sit-down talk with secretary of
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State marco rubio.
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Greg: well, mr. secretary, thanks for taking the time to
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Talk a little bit.
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And congratulations on this incredible historic achievement
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Of finally getting the hostages freed.
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And i was watching on television when the president, at the
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Knesset--and you were there with him in israel--said of you that
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You're the greatest secretary of state in history.
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What went through your mind when he--?
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Secretary rubio: well, look, the president's great about that
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Stuff and i'm grateful to him, but really the credit for that
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Deal and so many other things belongs with him.
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I mean, he did things and i--i've said this, i've sort of
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Alluded to it.
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Maybe one day the story will be told.
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One day history will provide the details of how this came about
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And how this was possible.
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But i assure you the president did some extraordinary things
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That he had to do to make this happen.
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And then we had a great team on the ground over there.
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I mean, steve witkoff and jared kushner deserve a tremendous
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Amount of credit for sort of carrying out and executing on
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The president's plan with regards to this.
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And obviously, i'm blessed and grateful to be a part of it.
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And you know, over time, and perhaps you've had the chance to
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Do this too, we've met a lot of those families.
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A lot of those families that we saw the videos are people we've
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Met with four, five, six times in the--in the depths of this.
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There were months where, frankly, i doubted whether they
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Were ever gonna see their loved ones again.
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I mean, it was a real question about what was gonna happen.
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So to be able to watch video of these people that i've met with,
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Some of them as recently as six days before they were here in
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Washington on the 7th of october, to be able to see those
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People on television reuniting with their loved ones just six
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Days later was--is one of those things that i think you can
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Serve in a place like this for a very long time and few people
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Get a chance to be a part of a day as historic as that.
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Now, that said, there's a lot of work to be done to sustain this,
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But the one thing that's irreversible is that those
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Hostages are back with their families.
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Greg: we were in israel not long ago and we raised money to buy a
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Bulletproof ambulance to give to the state of israel.
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Because that says it all, they need a bulletproof ambulance,
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Effectively a tank, that brings medical care for people.
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And i met one of the mothers of the hostages, and the anguish in
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Her face--and i pray and trust that her son was one of the ones
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That finally did get released.
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We met over ten years ago, and we were at a
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Couples conference--
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Secretary rubio: in hawaii.
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Greg: hawaii, and someone came up to me and said, "marco rubio
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Is here and wants to meet you."
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I said, "wait, you mean senator marco rubio?
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Well, i'd love to meet him."
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And then we met you and your wonderful wife, jeanette.
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We got to know each other.
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And what so impressed me was that you were taking--and
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Actually, it's a long flight from florida to hawaii.
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Secretary rubio: yeah, and we went twice, two years in a row,
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If you recall.
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Greg: that's true, and it was so great just to see you there
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Because that says a lot about you, that your marriage matters
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To you, that you would take that time to be with your wife and to
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Strengthen your own marriage.
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And your wife and my wife are having tea right now, and cathe,
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My wife, texts with jeanette, your wife, all the time.
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And she told us something really amazing about you and that, you
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Know, you're always gonna get inside intel from the
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Wives, right?
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But that when you got up at charlie kirk's memorial service,
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You gave what i thought was a stunning talk.
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Secretary rubio: one of the things he wants us to take away
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From this, from all of this, is the following.
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His deep belief that we were all created, every single one of us,
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Before the beginning of time, by the hands of the god of the
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Universe, an all-powerful god who loved us and created us for
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The purpose of living with him in eternity.
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But then sin entered the world and separated us from
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Our creator.
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And so god took on the form of a man and came down and lived
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Among us.
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And he suffered like men and he died like a man, but on the
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Third day he rose unlike any mortal man.
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And then--and to prove any doubters wrong, he ate with his
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Disciples so they could see and they touched his wounds.
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He didn't rise as a ghost or as a spirit, but as flesh.
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And then he rose to the heaven, but he promised he would return,
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And he will.
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And when he returns--because he took on that death, because he
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Carried that cross, we were freed from the sin that
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Separated us from him.
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And when he returns, there will be a new heaven and a new earth
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And we will all be together, and we are going to have a great
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Reunion there again with charlie and all the people we love.
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Thank you and god bless you.
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Greg: in fact, i thought you did a better job presenting the
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Gospel than some preachers i've heard.
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It was theologically accurate, it was passionate, and it was
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Also understandable.
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And we were so impressed, like that was such a great moment.
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And then jeanette told cathe that you had no notes when you
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Got up and did that.
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Secretary rubio: yeah, it works out better that way sometimes
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Because i think you're--so what happens when you don't write
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Things out is you might forget to say something.
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But i think what you lose sometimes is sort of the
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Authenticity of it, not that--there are speeches you
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Have to give that are written and often i'll do an outline or
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Just notes of reminders, but i think these things always come
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Best from the heart.
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I wanna go back to something you mentioned about marriage because
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I know it's a topic.
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It's interesting, the other day i heard someone say this,
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And it's absolutely true.
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If you look at the bible, repeatedly in the gospels
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Where--and even in the old testament, when it describes
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God's love for his people, it's always discussed in
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Marital terms.
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It's never--it's never described as a parent's love for a child.
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It's almost described in the bridegroom, the--it's--it--and
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So it tells you the importance that marriage has on--to god,
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How in many cases, you know, marriage is in fact a
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Sacramental union that really reflects god's love for people.
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So that said, you know, it's--as everyone knows who's been
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Married in life, it's a vocation, it's a job and it--but
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It is the most important job i'll ever have.
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It's more--it's more important than being a parent.
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It's actually related to it, but it's even more--the best gift
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That parents can give their children is sort of the teamwork
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Of a man and a woman working together to raise a child.
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And back to the point you made on the--on the speech and so
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Forth, you know, i think one of the things that were unique
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About charlie is he was both--he was--he really--i mean, people
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Consider him to be a political voi--and he was involved in
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American politics, but his mission, i felt, his ministry
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Really, in many cases, was much deeper than just politics.
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It was a call to the reinvigoration of the society,
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Of all the things we know that work, of all the things we know
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Are good and not to force it upon anybody.
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But i thought, in many ways, that's what his mission was
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Really geared towards.
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And it had political aspects to it, but i thought what--the work
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He did went far beyond just simple politics from a partisan
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Perspective or anything like that.
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So i felt that was an important opportunity to talk about that
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As well because i did get to know charlie quite well and in
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Fact, had just been exchanging text messages with him five days
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Before he died.
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He had just recently--he was either in south korea or
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Returning from south korea and was very concerned about some of
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The things that are happening to churches inside of south korea
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Right now.
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And so we were gonna talk about that the
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Next time we got together.
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And unfortunately, that conversation won't happen.
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But yeah, it was--it was a--and i mean, that memorial, by the
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Way, was an amazing situation there with the number--
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Greg: i think 100 million people watched it.
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Secretary rubio: it was unreal, yeah.
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Greg: so you know, coming back to marriage, i mean, you could
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Almost take every social ill in america today and directly
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Relate it to the breakdown of the family, and specifically to
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A lack of fathers.
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I--i've looked at statistics of people who are incarcerated,
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People who turn to drugs, girls who get pregnant outside of
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Wedlock, the list goes on.
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And in almost every instance, they come from a broken home,
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And specifically they had no father growing up.
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I've heard it said that a nation can survive--a family can
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Survive without a nation, but a nation cannot survive without
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The family.
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Secretary rubio: well, i think the important point to note is
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That it is a nation, but what is the--what are the atoms?
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What are the basic structures of--structural blocks of a
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Society and of a country?
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And if you begin to think about what it is, it's actually
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Communities built by families and homes.
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So i always tell people the most important thing and i'm--that
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Happens in our country is not what happens in the white house,
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It's what happens in your house.
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So that's an example of it too.
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And so if you think about what is the--what composes a nation
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And a society, it basically is community, which is composed of
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Families, which is obviously composed of homes.
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And it is, you know, the family, in an ideal setting, is the
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First government, it's the first school, it's the first church.
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It is the foundational to everything.
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Now, does that mean that someone who comes from a broken home or
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Someone who comes from a dysfunctional family can't
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Be successful?
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Of course it doesn't mean that.
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Does that mean that--there are some very courageous single
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Parents, particularly single women, that are out there,
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Single mothers that are raising their children.
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It--it's extraordinary.
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And we--i think it calls an obligation to be helpful to them
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And understand that the mission they have is so difficult.
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In many cases, they'll be the ones that tell you how hard
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It is.
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So some amazing stories out there, and some heroic women
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In particular.
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I say women, they're obviously men that have done this.
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But you run into a lot of women that have had to raise children
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On their own and it's--and it's a tough deal.
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But we know this, the ideal setting, the one that history,
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Thousands of years of collective human history teaches us and
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Even in our own country, the most effective way to raise
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Children has--is in a--in a home in which a loving mother and
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Father are doing it together.
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Although in some circumstances, unfortunately, that's not
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Possible for a variety of reasons.
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Greg: and so as you--when i first met you, you were
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A senator.
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Now you're the secretary of state.
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And i can't even imagine the kind of information you're
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Exposed to and the things that could cause great alarm and the
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Things that could cause fear.
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And i don't know if you deal with things that keep you up at
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Night, but how do you process that?
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And maybe are there passages of scripture you turn to to help
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Put yourself in a place of trusting in god or how you cope
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With all of that?
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Secretary rubio: well, i think, first of all, erika kirk
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Yesterday had some pretty powerful lines at the memorial
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Service where she talked about how charlie lived free of fear.
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I think fear is an enemy, it's a paralytic.
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It almost--so i think fear is the wrong terminology.
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Certainly we all worry, we all have things to worry about.
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Here's what i would say for christianity in particular.
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Of all the faiths in the world, and i'm not prejudging or
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Criticizing anybody, but of all the faiths in the world, the
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Ones who should never live in fear or the ones who should
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Never live in worry that becomes paralyzing are christians,
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Because we know how it ends.
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I always say this to people all the time.
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You know, and it reminds me a little bit of like you watch a
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Scary movie, you've seen it ten times, you know how it ends, you
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Know the lead character survives, but nonetheless, you
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Still get nervous every time you see it, even though you know
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What the outcome of it's gonna be.
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And i think that's our story, right?
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The story that we know that at the end of time, there'll be a
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New heaven and a new earth and that jesus will return.
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We also know that between now and then, they'll come a period
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Of great tribulation, of great challenges.
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The world's never been free of them, but this will be
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Specifically extra, and so we already know that.
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And so for us to somehow, i think what's--for some to
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Somehow aspire to live in a world free of problems and free
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Of challenges and free of worry is not realistic.
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It's also not biblical.
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It's not true to our faith.
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And so--but in the end, i always sort of remind people of the
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Christian faith like of all the people in the world that
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Shouldn't be that anxious about the future, it should be us,
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Especially when it comes to global events because we know
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How the movie ends, we know how the story ends.
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We don't know when it ends.
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We can't--we can't detail exactly how that's gonna play
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Out, but we know generally the thematic of it.
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And the thematic of it is victory and the restoration of
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What we should have been from the very beginning, and that's
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The most important thing to tell everybody.
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We were not--death is not a natural--it's natural because it
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Entered into the world through sin, but we were never meant
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To die.
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We were not created to die.
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We were--and all of that entered the world because of death and
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Now we're in a process of sort of overcoming that.
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Jesus did that and now we're in the process as a--as mortals as
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A result of the consequence of sin of living through that.
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But we know how the story ends, so we should be--so it helps
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Manage--that's a key way that i think faith--
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Greg: i think if the secretary of state thing doesn't work out,
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You can consider being a pastor.
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Secretary rubio: well, it's much harder than being secretary of
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State, i think.
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Greg: but you know, listening to you talk about these things, it
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Is surprising and very encouraging for a man in your
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Position to believe.
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And you mentioned this at charlie's memorial service.
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You not only talk about the death of christ, his
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Resurrection, you talked about the return of christ, and you
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Just talked about it again.
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And you know, the bible, there's what we call prophetic events,
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Signs of the times that tell us jesus christ is coming
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Back again.
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You're more privy to information than probably anyone out there,
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Apart from the president of course and members of his
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Cabinet, but do you see things happening in our world right now
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That make you say, "wow, i believe that christ could be
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Coming back very soon"?
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Secretary rubio: well, i'm sure i do.
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I mean, in the sense that--but i also believe that if you look at
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The 2000 years of christianity, every generation has believed
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They--believed they lived in the end times.
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They couldn't imagine things getting any worse than
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They were.
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I imagine if you lived in the 1940s and saw the growth of nazi
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Germany and the--particularly early on, the progress that they
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Had made and the successes they were having in the battlefield,
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That was a very scary time.
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So i think it's almost a trap to so--we're basically told that,
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You know, whether it's death or the second coming, it'll come as
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A thief in the night.
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I mean, people will be out there basically doing normal
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Life activities.
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So rather than try to predict it or anticipate it, i think you
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Just sort of understand that's how the story ends.
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And in the meantime, this is what we're called to do to live
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Our faith.
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Greg: one hundred percent, i agree with that.
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I've said that i'm gonna get to heaven.
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It may be through a taxi or an uber, i'm gonna get there.
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So it doesn't matter.
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I just--you have that hope that you're gonna be with christ,
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But--and then the interest among so many young people in
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Socialism and communism.
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I mean, your family, of course, came from cuba, a
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Communist country.
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Why this interest in communism?
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Do you think that so many of these young people even fully
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Understand what any of these things mean, when they call
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People fascists, nazis, and they are drawn to communism
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And socialism?
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What is going on here?
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Secretary rubio: well, it's part of what--actually, talking about
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Charlie kirk, it's part of the things that he was confronting
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On campuses.
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And i thought he did it in a very effective way, which is
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That he would engage people in debate and force them to justify
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The argument.
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Understand that in many of these cases, these beliefs that some
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People adopt about socialism, about communism in particular,
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Are never challenged.
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They're not challenged in--at the university setting.
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It begins with your professor sort of pushing this on you, and
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Then there really aren't forums available in which you--that can
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Be challenged.
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So i do think it's a combination.
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I think academia has played a big part in this.
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Academia has become a magnet.
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And there's always been--okay, to be clear, there's always been
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Crazy professors.
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There's always been people that are out of whack in how they
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Think about certain things.
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I don't think it had been as institutionalized as it's been
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Over the last 30 or 40 years.
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And you know, you've now produced multiple generations of
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Young americans that have gone through the system, particularly
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Pronounced in our most elite schools.
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People leave these most elite schools with that level of
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Indoctrination and in 20 years, they wind up in positions of
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Authority and power, and so i think we're now beginning to see
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The ramifications of that.
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In many cases they go back and become the crazy professors,
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Except there's a lot more of them.
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Sometimes they go back and become administrators.
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And so that needs to be challenged because the purpose
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Of a university is to learn and you learn by being exposed and
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Being challenged in your beliefs, not by indoctrination.
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There's a big difference between education and indoctrination, so
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I think there's some consequence of that that we're seeing
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Play out.
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And i wanna say it's not just a us phenomenon, it's a--it's a
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Western phenomenon that's played out in multiple places around
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The world, but i also see there's a legitimate pushback
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Happening now.
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And i think that's what charlie kirk, as much as anything else
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Did, is he challenged young people to question these things
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That were being taught and in many cases, you know, engaged in
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Debate in front of them with people he disagreed with as the
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Most effective way of poking holes in the argument of the
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Other side.
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Greg: yeah, now, you--you've made sacrifices or--for
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Your faith.
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I mean, you stood up for your faith.
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Has it ever cost you politically, do you think, or
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Has it not affected you?
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Secretary rubio: i don't know if it has or hasn't, to be honest
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With you.
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I'm not--i'm--i can't give you an example of where i thought--
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Greg: i think it's helped you because it's so--
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I think with you it's so beautifully integrated into your
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Life and everything that you say and do--
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Secretary rubio: well, but the gospel is clear
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You'll be hated for it.
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So i think people that understand--people that go into
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This understanding that ours is the faith of the cross, it's
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Not--it's not the faith of winning the lottery.
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And there's nothing wrong with wealth.
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There's nothing wrong with success.
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There's nothing wrong with happiness, but i think it's a
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Misunderstanding of christianity to believe that it's a--that it
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Leads to like happiness and prosperity.
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These are things that god may bless you with, but our faith is
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The faith of the cross.
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And in fact, if you look at the era of christianity where
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Christianity has been strongest and most vibrant is when
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It's countercultural.
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When it's been strong and most vibrant is when it's
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Been oppressed.
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Now i don't seek oppression, we don't seek to be, you know,
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Hated, but it's going to happen.
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And you--once you understand that and it's--in some cases,
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It's not just hatred, it's a special kind of anger that you
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See that some people adopt as a result of your faith.
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But i can't say it's necessarily led to a sacrifice or hurt me or
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Harmed me politically, but it really wouldn't matter.
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I mean, there might be some issues that i believe strongly
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About when i was in political office.
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Now i'm in, you know, in executive office, but that--but
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I'd rather--i said i'd rather lose an election than be wrong
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On those issues on the public stage.
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Greg: you once said that "there's never been a nation
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Like the united states.
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It begins with the principles of our founding documents,
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Principles that recognize our rights come from god,
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Not government."
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And you see america as unique.
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I mean, i would say, and i--i'm sure you would agree, but i
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Believe america is the greatest nation in the world today.
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We have our flaws, we have our shortcomings, but there's no
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Place like america.
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Do you agree with that?
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And if so, why?
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Secretary rubio: well, first of all, america is not
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A government.
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I think that's the mistake people make, is they think
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America is a government.
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We have a government, but america is a nation.
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And a nation, as i said earlier, is a society made up
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Of communities.
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This is really where change matters--where change happens.
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And communities are made up of families and so that's the key.
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And if that breaks down at the family level, then you can't
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Have community and if community breaks down, then you really
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Aren't a nation per se.
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So to me, that's always been fundamental and important.
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We're not a government.
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We have a government, but we're not a government.
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The american story is special and unique because it is founded
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On a very powerful principle, which even today is not largely
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Accepted in much of the world, but certainly when those words
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Were written were alien to most people.
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The idea--for almost everyone that's ever existed, they were
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Told that you don't have any rights.
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To the extent you have them, it's because they've been given
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To you by your leaders.
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Your rights are whatever your leaders say you have.
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And largely, your rights are whatever you're able to--belong
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To the people with the most weapons who can win the war.
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And the notion that somehow, no, no, your rights don't come from
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The law, they don't come from the government, they don't come
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From your leaders.
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Your rights come from your creator, and the job of
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Government is to protect your rights, not to decide them or to
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Bestow them.
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That's a very unique thought and that's a very unique belief, and
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It's a foundational principle of the country.
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Have we always lived up to that belief?
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No, because it's a human institution, right?
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At the end of the day, anything that's a human institution will
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Bring with it the flaws of humanity.
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But i also think one of the great things about the american
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Story is that every injustice, every great cause in american
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History has been a demand to fulfill our founding principles,
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Not a revolution against our founding principles.
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The reason why slavery could not survive in america is because it
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Violated our founding principles.
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The reason why women vote is because it violated our
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Founding principles.
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Every single one of the great causes in american history has
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Been a demand that we live up to the principles of our founding.
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Greg: how would you like to be remembered?
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Like, what would you like to be known for?
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You mentioned the importance of your family, of course, the
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Important positions you've held, but what things would sum up
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Your life?
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I'd like people to remember--
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Secretary rubio: yeah, i don't know.
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I haven't--yeah, at 54, i still don't think too
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Much about that yet.
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I think ultimately there's two ways.
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How i'd like to be remembered professionally as someone who
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Made a difference and had an impact, and obviously had the
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Opportunity to do that in the united states senate
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Representing florida.
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And now this new opportunity under president trump, that i
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Was, you know, effective at the job that i was given and that we
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Made an impact, that we made a difference.
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There's really only one reason to do this, and that is to be
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Able to make a difference and have an impact.
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I think as a person i'd like to be remembered as someone, you
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Know, who was a good husband and a good father and who tried the
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Best he could, imperfectly, to live out the teachings and
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Tenets of his faith and to model that behavior as much as
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Anything else.
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And that's an ongoing project.
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You know, that's the one thing about life, is you can blow it
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All in one moment.
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It's a daily reminder of how difficult it is to walk on
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That path.
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But when it's all said and done, i think we were all created for
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A purpose and a reason.
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And we spend, if we're blessed, a long time, if we're not
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Blessed, a shorter amount of time trying to figure out, why
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Was i created?
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What was the purpose of my life?
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And then you hope at the end--we don't fully understand it, it's
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One of the great mysteries of our faith.
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But in the end, you hope that when you come face to face with
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Your creator, he'll say, you know, "well done.
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You walked the path that i had created you for, imperfectly,"
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Because he knows we're imperfect.
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Greg: i think that god has raised you up for this moment to
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Do exactly what you're doing.
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Thank you again.
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Secretary rubio: thanks for having me.
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Greg: my pleasure.
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Greg: you know, i've had the opportunity to interview some
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Pretty amazing people over the years.
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From rock stars to movie stars, to pastors, to politicians, and
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These are people that influence others.
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And in my interview that i just did with secretary of state
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Marco rubio, we talked about presidents.
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He works directly under president trump.
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We talked about other presidents that impacted our nation in
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Profound ways, from george washington to abraham lincoln.
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Abraham lincoln was the 16th president of the united states
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Of america.
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Behind me is the lincoln memorial dedicated to
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His memory.
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Why was lincoln a great president?
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Well, he had the most humble origins imaginable, literally
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Born in a log cabin.
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He received little to no education, but he was a
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Voracious student and loved to read and learn.
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And of course, he unified the united states.
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America was falling apart and so he unified our nation, then he
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Freed the slaves.
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And most significantly, president lincoln paid the
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Ultimate price.
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He was assassinated in the ford theater at the conclusion of the
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Civil war.
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But his words still impact us today, and one of the things
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That motivated president abraham lincoln was his faith in god,
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His belief in the bible, his trust in christ.
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As we have seen in our interview with secretary of state marco
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Rubio, as we also saw in my interview with speaker of the
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House mike johnson, and so many others in washington today who
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Are speaking openly about their faith.
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I love how secretary of state marco rubio said that yes, there
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Is a price to pay for being a christian, but it's a price well
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Worth paying to stand up for christ.
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And i'm thankful for men of god in elected office.
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You know, the bible says, "when the righteous rule, the people
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Rejoice," and we should all remember this when it comes time
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To vote.
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Find candidates that are godly, find candidates that hold to
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Biblical values and have a biblical worldview and
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Everything will be better in our nation.
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Oh, it won't be perfect, it never is.
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But it can be a lot better than when people are godless and are
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Going contrary to what the word of god says, as many are today
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Doing on the far left.
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So i thank god that the lord has placed marco rubio in this place
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Of influence as the secretary of state, and it was a real honor
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To talk to him today.
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♪♪♪
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Greg: hi, i'm greg laurie.
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I've got some good news for you.
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God loves you, and god has a plan for your life.
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Here's the problem.
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We're separated from god by our sin because we've all broken
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His commandments.
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But the good news is, is 2000 years ago, god sent his son
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Jesus christ to die on the cross for your sin and then to rise
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Again from the dead.
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The same jesus who died and rose is alive and ready to come into
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Your life right now.
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Would you like your sin forgiven?
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Would you like to know that when you die you will go to heaven?
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If so, pray this simple prayer with me right now.
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Just say, lord jesus, i know i'm a sinner, but i believe you're
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The savior who died on the cross for my sin.
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I turn from my sin now and i choose to follow you from this
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Moment forward.
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Did you just pray that prayer with me?
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If you did, god in heaven has heard you.
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And let me be the first to say to you, congratulations and
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Welcome to the family of god.
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Greg Laurie - Greg Laurie Podcast with Marco Rubio

June 28, 2026 | 27:29

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