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The 700 Club

January 12, 2026

January 12, 2026 | 62:0

January 12, 2026
The 700 Club features a distinctive blend of news from a biblical perspective, inspirational interviews and biblical teaching for everyday life.
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The 700 Club | January 12, 2026 | January 12, 2026
  • (static tone beeps)
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  • (dramatic music)
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  • - [narrator] the following program is sponsored by cbn.
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  • - [gordon] coming up later,
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  • A prison guard is gunned down in his own home.
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  • - i said, "lord, in the name of jesus, god, let bobby live".
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  • - [gordon] six bullets ripped through his body.
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  • - [mary] he was bleeding profusely.
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  • - [gordon] see what kept him alive.
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  • - i said, "the lord is bringing him through."
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  • - [gordon] and hear his stunning words for his attacker
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  • On today's "700 club".
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  • - hatred and bitterness put you in.
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  • (dramatic music continues)
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  • - welcome to "the 700 club".
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  • One of france's largest evangelical churches is
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  • Named after an american icon.
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  • It's also a thriving community center.
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  • - any way you look at it,
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  • The martin luther king church is
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  • A foretaste of heaven.
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  • George thomas traveled to paris to see
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  • Firsthand how this church is
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  • Changing one of europe's most famous cities.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • ♪ (sings in foreign language) ♪
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  • - [george] in a communist, socialist
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  • And conservative suburb of paris.
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  • ♪ (sings in foreign language) ♪
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  • - [george] a song of reconciliation and unity is rising.
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  • And with it, a message that's attracting
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  • People from diverse backgrounds.
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  • - i don't have to build a church.
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  • I have to build a place where people will be loved,
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  • Will be changed by the holy spirit
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  • And by the power of god.
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  • - i have a dream
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  • That one day on the red hills of georgia,
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  • The sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners
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  • Will they be able to sit down together
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  • At the table of brotherhood.
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  • I have a dream.
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  • - french pastor ivan carluer founded
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  • Martin luther king church
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  • Here in paris's créteil neighborhood
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  • After drawing inspiration
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  • From the civil rights leader's message
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  • Of unconditional love.
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  • - loving people as they are
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  • And don't try to make them look like you are,
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  • But just love them
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  • And introduce them to a god will change them.
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  • - every valley shall be exalted.
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  • - [george] like martin luther king, carluer says he too had
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  • A dream to create a space
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  • Where blacks, whites and people of other racial backgrounds
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  • Could come together and reflect the diversity of paris.
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  • - when god asked me to ministry,
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  • He asked me to be a minister in paris area.
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  • So when i came, i realized
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  • That more than 50% of the kids in paris area
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  • Or have an african dad or mother,
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  • So more than 50% of the newborn babies are mixed
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  • And i love it.
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  • - [george] carluer's dream is now a reality.
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  • - we have now like 20% all black,
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  • 10% all white,
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  • 10% asian
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  • And 60%
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  • Cannot be defined,
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  • Jesus color.
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  • ♪ we are the children ♪
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  • - [george] and that message of love shared
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  • Across racial lines has been a unifying force
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  • For positive change.
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  • - (speaks foreign language)
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  • - [translator] this is what i think is
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  • The most touching and most extraordinary aspect
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  • Of this church.
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  • Everyone is mixed.
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  • All cultures are represented.
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  • (speaks foreign language)
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  • - [translator] i've been here since the church
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  • First launched and to see how much it's grown is amazing.
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  • The work is enormous and it's a blessing to many people.
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  • - mlk is now one of the country's largest
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  • Evangelical churches,
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  • Prompting french newspaper "le monde" to call
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  • Ivan carluer "a rising figure
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  • In france's protestant movement."
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  • Mlk, which is about seven miles southeast of paris,
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  • Is rather remarkable for its size.
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  • You see, in all of france there are
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  • About 2,500 evangelical churches
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  • And the average church has about 100 people.
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  • Mlk went from 20 17 years ago
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  • To over 3,000 people today.
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  • (speaks foreign language)
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  • (congregation applauds and cheers)
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  • - [george] during a recent weekend service,
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  • 76 people from different walks of life
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  • And racial backgrounds professed faith in jesus christ
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  • In water baptism.
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  • - and we haven't seen so much,
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  • So many people coming to jesus like now.
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  • God is moving in france like never.
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  • - [george] evangelicals make up
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  • Just 2% of the population here
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  • And their numbers are growing.
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  • A recent report found evangelicals becoming
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  • A majority within the french protestant movement.
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  • Carluer says the pandemic led to even greater numbers
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  • As new people flocked to the church's online services.
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  • - we already reach more than 30 to 40,000 every week.
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  • And when you look at google analytics,
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  • We see what is very good,
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  • That a lot of non-believer are watching.
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  • - [george] because of the growth,
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  • Carluer says the church needed a bigger place to meet.
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  • So in september, 2021,
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  • The new martin luther king space
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  • Opened here in the southeastern suburbs of paris.
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  • At a cost of $30 million,
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  • A foundation operates it as part church,
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  • Part community center,
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  • And because of its community influence,
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  • Pastor carluer says local government authorities were
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  • All too happy to chip in
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  • More than $3 million toward the building's fund.
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  • - that's why we can have
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  • Money from the state, the government,
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  • The county, et cetera,
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  • They all give to the foundation.
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  • The foundation is the owner of the building
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  • And the church rent the building.
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  • (speaks foreign language)
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  • - [george] church services are held
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  • Saturday and sunday in the building's 1000-seat auditorium.
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  • The rest of the week, it's open to the community for rent.
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  • Companies have held fashion shows,
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  • Car shows and music concerts.
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  • Members of other religious groups have
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  • Also held their events here.
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  • Carluer sees it as a model
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  • For people not typically drawn to a church building per se
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  • To be introduced to the gospel.
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  • - my goal for me is
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  • I want jewish, muslim,
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  • Atheist,
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  • Political, artists, all of them,
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  • They all need to be loved by god,
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  • To be transformed by his holy spirit,
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  • And to become loving of each other
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  • Like martin luther king did.
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  • - [george] in spite of its staunchly secular traditions,
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  • Pastor carluer says god is
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  • On the move in france
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  • And takes heart in what he's doing
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  • In churches like mlk.
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  • - so now it's really a foretaste of heaven.
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  • - [george] george thomas, cbn news, paris.
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  • - i love it, i love what he said.
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  • We're 20% black, 10% white,
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  • 10% asian and 60% the color of jesus,
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  • A foretaste of heaven.
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  • When you read the book of revelation,
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  • You see it,
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  • All languages, all tribes, all tongues,
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  • Everyone coming together singing as one,
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  • A new song to the lamb.
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  • We'll be right back with more "the 700 club" after this.
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  • (uplifting music)
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  • - [narrator] when i was a young girl,
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  • I went to fetch water for my mother.
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  • The weight of the water made my neck hurt so bad,
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  • I just poured the water out and went home
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  • With an empty container.
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  • The stream is very far
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  • And i go four times a day.
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  • I get home exhausted.
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  • I feel terrible drinking that water
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  • And giving it to my family.
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  • We often get intense stomachaches and vomit.
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  • When my son was three,
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  • He got very sick from the water.
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  • Thank you, operation blessing, for giving us a new life.
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  • When you came, we were all so grateful
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  • We could not hold back our joy.
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  • I've never had this kind of water before.
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  • Every time i drink it, i feel good and healthy.
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  • With the well this close,
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  • Even my daughter can easily fetch water.
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  • We are healthy and we are happy.
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  • Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  • - [narrator] when i was eight years old,
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  • I was molested by a boy that was only a year older than me.
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  • I became very sexualized.
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  • I started going all over the state
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  • Just for random sexual encounters that i would find online.
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  • Nothing was satisfying anymore
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  • And so i began to remember all the fantasies i had
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  • As a child of feeling like a boy.
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  • I began to transition.
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  • I began to take the hormones
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  • And at first, it was the greatest thing ever.
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  • I was really excited about the results
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  • And i liked how it looked physically.
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  • I realized that my surgery hadn't made me a man
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  • And that was devastating to me.
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  • But after about a month of just crying out to the lord
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  • Night after night after night,
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  • I had a clear vision of jesus christ himself
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  • Getting down on one knee.
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  • He reached his hand into the pit and he said,
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  • "do you trust me?"
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  • I took his hand.
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  • I walked away from my entire identity.
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  • You are who god created you to be
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  • And you are put on this earth for his purpose.
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  • God loves you more than you could ever even imagine.
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  • - well, zachary levi's well known
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  • For his roles in "shazam!",
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  • "american underdog" and "the marvelous mrs. maisel".
  • 00:11:09.280 --> 00:11:13.451
  • Now he's using his fame as a platform
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  • To tell his personal story
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  • And to shed light on the issue of mental health.
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  • The actor sat down with efrem graham
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  • To talk about his childhood trauma, his healing,
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  • And how it all led to the role of a lifetime.
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  • (dramatic music)
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  • - shazam.
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  • (melodramatic music)
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  • - [efrem] from superhero.
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  • - i don't know where we go from here.
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  • I don't know what comes next, but this,
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  • We did this.
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  • - [efrem] to super bowl champ.
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  • - yeah, yeah, man, i know who you are.
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  • I'm kurt.
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  • - [efrem] zachary levi lands larger than life acting roles
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  • Quite regularly.
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  • How would you describe
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  • The childhood or the life of zachary levi pugh?
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  • (efrem and zachary laugh)
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  • - how much time do you got?
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  • I mean, i think like most kids
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  • In the moment when i was a kid, it was normal.
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  • There wasn't anything, you know,
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  • Particularly traumatic or that i could point to and say
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  • Like, oh, i'm living a traumatized life.
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  • You don't realize that until far later in life.
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  • Hopefully, a lot of people don't ever realize that.
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  • Looking back on it, i can assure you
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  • An incredibly traumatizing childhood.
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  • There was just lots and lots of unhealthy, toxic behavior
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  • That was going on.
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  • Again, i couldn't,
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  • I could tell you that there were
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  • Things that were making me cry on a regular basis
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  • Or things that i was afraid of on a regular basis,
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  • But i didn't necessarily see those as being
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  • Anything other than, well, i guess this is normal.
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  • I guess this is what other kids probably deal with as well,
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  • You know, so that would be, you know,
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  • A snapshot into my life, i suppose.
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  • - what do you think childhood for you did to your adulthood?
  • 00:12:48.713 --> 00:12:52.483
  • - young zach was this, i don't know, little boy,
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  • Kind of just lost in the sea of estrogen
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  • Between my sisters, my mom, my aunts, my grandma,
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  • But fortunately, and i,
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  • This is the grace of god, not just the grace of god,
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  • But the plans of god,
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  • I figured out very early on in life,
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  • Probably around four was when i was first truly cognizant
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  • Of the idea that i could make someone laugh intentionally.
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  • Before that, every kid makes people laugh accidentally,
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  • You don't know why.
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  • Around four, i think i was finally smart enough to go,
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  • Oh, i can do this thing.
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  • I can do x or y and that will make somebody laugh.
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  • And i also knew, 'cause i think at four
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  • You're emotionally intelligent enough to know
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  • That a laughing, smiling person feels good.
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  • And i never, ever wanted to stop doing that.
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  • I was immediately called to, addicted to,
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  • Not realizing also that because i was lost in this world
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  • And trying to find identity and worth and value
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  • And all that jazz,
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  • I was both, you know,
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  • Fulfilling a calling i think in my life,
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  • But also figuring out very quickly
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  • How to run away from metabolizing my pain,
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  • Figuring out how to be the clown,
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  • Be the guy, bring the happy, bring the joy.
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  • You don't have a tape in here.
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  • - but it's digital.
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  • - [efrem] being a quick study earned
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  • Levi a starring role early
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  • And an escape from real life,
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  • Abuse, a mom with mental struggles and an absent father.
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  • - i was running from pain my whole life.
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  • I was running from pain.
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  • I'm grateful that i was able to find
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  • What i loved to do
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  • And what i was good at doing at such a young age,
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  • Because i think a lot of people don't.
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  • Even though that was also something that was, i think,
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  • You know, insulating me from doing a lot of the work
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  • That i needed to do,
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  • That eventually led me to having a massive breakdown
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  • Later on in life.
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  • - he shares his story with us
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  • And even more in his memoir,
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  • "radical love: learning to accept yourself and others".
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  • You talk about going from suicidal to superhero
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  • And then suicidal again.
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  • What,
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  • Take me back to the rock bottom moment.
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  • What happened?
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  • - i felt like i was failing, ultimately.
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  • Like most of my life, i've felt like a failure
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  • Even though i,
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  • Even though from the outside it looks like,
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  • Oh, i'm very much succeeding.
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  • It's, but i'm not succeeding on the level
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  • That i feel like i'm supposed to or that i was called to.
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  • ♪ she's a little artsy ♪
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  • - [efrem] with music, broadway,
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  • The big and small screens on his resume,
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  • He left hollywood.
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  • - with a head full of steam and dreams,
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  • I moved out to austin and i didn't know anyone out there.
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  • And all of a sudden after 15 years of living in los angeles
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  • And having community and support structure
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  • And all of those things, i was now, you know,
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  • Geronimo, let's go.
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  • Oh, wait a minute, now i'm alone.
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  • Oh, wait a minute, this isn't happening
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  • The way that i felt like god was calling me out here
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  • To do this and i,
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  • Why aren't the doors opening?
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  • Oh my gosh, i have blown up my life.
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  • I have now entirely failed my life.
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  • There is no coming back from this failure.
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  • Or i would say if suicide is a, you know,
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  • Climbing a 10-rung ladder, i was at rung nine
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  • And thankfully i have family and friends that surrounded me,
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  • Supported me, were there for me
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  • And just enough for me to get up and go to therapy,
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  • This life-saving therapy.
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  • But you know, it was a perfect storm
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  • But it was 37 years
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  • Of lots and lots and lots and lots of trauma,
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  • Unhealed trauma.
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  • A real testament of how i think
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  • You know, god works and what we ought to prioritize.
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  • I was not prioritizing the most important thing,
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  • Which was to actually invest in myself
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  • And to care for myself and love myself
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  • 'cause i didn't understand that.
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  • So to go away and do this therapy finally
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  • And really figure out, oh my gosh,
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  • I haven't loved myself my entire life.
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  • I've never even understood what that meant.
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  • And also, oh, this feeling that i feel inside
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  • That i felt my whole life, that's anxiety.
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  • Oh, i'm glad i finally know what anxiety is.
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  • - [efrem] therapy began his healing,
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  • A rebirth of his faith and the role of a lifetime.
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  • - say my name.
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  • "shazam!" literally happened
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  • While i was still like finishing up my therapy,
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  • But only, you know, because god was like,
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  • Good, now you've done the thing.
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  • Now i can give you the blessing.
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  • You would've self-destructed
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  • Had i given you this blessing before you did the work.
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  • And that's the work.
  • 00:17:19.850 --> 00:17:21.252
  • - so how does it feel sitting here now knowing,
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  • I think at one point i'm reading that you felt
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  • You lost god and he was gone.
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  • - oh man, i was driving around in austin recently,
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  • Driving up this road that was
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  • Kind of near the house that i was staying in
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  • When i was having this breakdown
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  • And this (indistinct) restaurant
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  • Where i was having this breakdown
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  • And i was driving by it and it just all flooded back.
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  • I was like, oh wow.
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  • Like, i remember being right here
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  • And thinking there is no hope
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  • And there's no way i'm moving beyond this.
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  • There's no way i'm going to live beyond this month.
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  • And i was very much alive
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  • And i was very much living my dreams
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  • As i was now driving by the same road
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  • And i was so grateful,
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  • Oh man, so grateful that i didn't do something so stupid
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  • And so drastic,
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  • And that i get to sit here and talk about this book
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  • That hopefully, hopefully if nothing else helps
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  • At least one person walk through the flames
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  • That i was able to get through.
  • 00:18:21.845 --> 00:18:23.447
  • - [efrem] efrem graham, cbn news, washington, d.c.
  • 00:18:23.447 --> 00:18:26.650
  • - what an incredible story and incredible journey
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  • And i'm glad he made it through
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  • And made it through to help others.
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  • If you had trauma in your childhood,
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  • If you had trauma any time in your life
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  • And you're wondering, what do i do?
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  • Where do i go?
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  • I encourage you to get his book.
  • 00:18:44.235 --> 00:18:45.803
  • It's called "radical love".
  • 00:18:45.803 --> 00:18:47.972
  • You can find it wherever books are sold
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  • And hopefully his journey can help you on your journey.
  • 00:18:50.608 --> 00:18:54.211
  • Terry. - well, up next,
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  • Wounds to his chest, abdomen, liver and lungs,
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  • This wife was told repeatedly
  • 00:19:00.451 --> 00:19:01.986
  • There was no hope for her husband's survival.
  • 00:19:01.986 --> 00:19:04.755
  • Hear how she battled for his life in prayer
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  • And see the series of miracles that saved him.
  • 00:19:07.725 --> 00:19:10.928
  • Plus, we're gonna be praying for you, so stay with us,
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  • We'll be right back.
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  • (emotional music)
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  • - [narrator] melissa and her husband, rick, have
  • 00:19:18.068 --> 00:19:19.603
  • Come a long way from when they met.
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  • Melissa was in real estate.
  • 00:19:21.572 --> 00:19:23.240
  • Rick had been living on credit cards,
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  • Trying to start a number of businesses
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  • And was $80,000 in debt.
  • 00:19:27.745 --> 00:19:30.214
  • All the while, the hennets were tithing
  • 00:19:30.214 --> 00:19:32.883
  • And the newly married couple started
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  • Working their way out of the red.
  • 00:19:34.418 --> 00:19:36.387
  • - i think i had bought into society saying
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  • Here's what you should have.
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  • I simply asked god, "do i have money before you?"
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  • I asked god to forgive me instantly.
  • 00:19:44.495 --> 00:19:47.464
  • I told god whether i make a lot of money or not,
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  • I'm done striving.
  • 00:19:51.535 --> 00:19:53.270
  • - [narrator] today, rick and melissa have three children
  • 00:19:53.270 --> 00:19:55.839
  • And choose to live way below their means
  • 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.042
  • So they can help the poor.
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  • They've already built 13 orphanages
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  • And a freedom house in india.
  • 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:03.947
  • - what i loved about operation blessing is
  • 00:20:03.947 --> 00:20:05.849
  • That we were really able to see the fruit of that gift.
  • 00:20:05.849 --> 00:20:09.687
  • - now i have the hunger to make more money
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  • So we truly can give to all of these places
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  • 'cause there's a lot of need out there.
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  • (gentle music)
  • 00:20:18.295 --> 00:20:19.563
  • - [narrator] life, it's meant to be lived fully.
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  • Jesus said it, i came to give you life.
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  • Life to the fullest.
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  • Life in your family,
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  • Life in your finances,
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  • Life in your body, mind and spirit,
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  • Life in your everyday.
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  • At cbn.com, we're taking what jesus said seriously.
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  • We are here to help you discover life.
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  • Life,
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  • Live it fully,
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  • Cbn.com.
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  • - it was alarming how much i was vomiting.
  • 00:21:18.021 --> 00:21:21.058
  • - it was a condition called acute tubular necrosis.
  • 00:21:21.058 --> 00:21:23.694
  • - [person off-camera] they kept saying septic, septic,
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  • I think she's getting septic.
  • 00:21:25.362 --> 00:21:26.530
  • - they sent this lady in to prepare us
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  • For a lifetime of dialysis
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  • And this medicine was going to destroy
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  • Every dream my girl could possibly have.
  • 00:21:33.337 --> 00:21:35.506
  • - thousands and thousands, literally around the world were
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  • Praying for her.
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  • - mom runs out into the hallway and she's like,
  • 00:21:39.777 --> 00:21:42.112
  • He just told me he canceled your surgery.
  • 00:21:42.112 --> 00:21:45.883
  • He was like, "your kidney biopsy came back
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  • Completely clean."
  • 00:21:48.318 --> 00:21:49.787
  • I stood up on my hospital bed
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  • With my iv bag, just we were hugging and screaming.
  • 00:21:51.488 --> 00:21:54.158
  • It was like just the biggest celebration.
  • 00:21:54.158 --> 00:21:57.127
  • - i know there were a lot of people praying for her.
  • 00:21:57.127 --> 00:21:58.962
  • I think those prayers were answered.
  • 00:21:58.962 --> 00:22:01.165
  • - hi.
  • 00:22:01.165 --> 00:22:01.999
  • (indistinct, excited chatter)
  • 00:22:02.833 --> 00:22:05.269
  • - i am beyond thankful that i have been singing nonstop.
  • 00:22:05.269 --> 00:22:09.273
  • Prayers work, they work.
  • 00:22:09.273 --> 00:22:11.108
  • Ask people to pray for you and like really believe,
  • 00:22:11.108 --> 00:22:13.977
  • Really believe that anything is possible.
  • 00:22:13.977 --> 00:22:17.581
  • - giving to "the 700 club" is giving to the world.
  • 00:22:18.816 --> 00:22:22.586
  • "700 club" are my feet.
  • 00:22:22.586 --> 00:22:24.388
  • They're walking it there.
  • 00:22:24.388 --> 00:22:25.756
  • All i'm doing is helping write the check.
  • 00:22:25.756 --> 00:22:28.392
  • - it's just like planting a seed in the ground
  • 00:22:29.626 --> 00:22:31.795
  • And the water comes and the sun hits it and it grows.
  • 00:22:31.795 --> 00:22:36.233
  • - you can trust cbn,
  • 00:22:36.233 --> 00:22:37.634
  • They're gonna take your money and invest it wisely.
  • 00:22:37.634 --> 00:22:40.671
  • You are saving souls through your giving.
  • 00:22:40.671 --> 00:22:48.979
  • - captain contraband,
  • 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:51.448
  • That's how prison guard robert johnson was known
  • 00:22:51.448 --> 00:22:53.784
  • Behind bars.
  • 00:22:53.784 --> 00:22:55.018
  • He and his team seized
  • 00:22:55.018 --> 00:22:56.787
  • Drugs, guns, knives and cell phones
  • 00:22:56.787 --> 00:22:59.556
  • That were smuggled into the prison.
  • 00:22:59.556 --> 00:23:01.892
  • The job put a big target on robert's back
  • 00:23:01.892 --> 00:23:04.928
  • And a hit on his life.
  • 00:23:04.928 --> 00:23:08.365
  • (gunfire bangs)
  • 00:23:08.899 --> 00:23:13.804
  • - [narrator] it was an early morning in march, 2010.
  • 00:23:15.072 --> 00:23:18.609
  • Mary johnson heard gunshots.
  • 00:23:18.609 --> 00:23:21.078
  • She frantically ran through the house
  • 00:23:21.078 --> 00:23:23.247
  • Looking for her husband, robert.
  • 00:23:23.247 --> 00:23:25.682
  • - i kept praying, let him live, let him be alive.
  • 00:23:25.682 --> 00:23:28.685
  • - [narrator] she found him on the bathroom floor.
  • 00:23:28.685 --> 00:23:31.922
  • He had been shot six times
  • 00:23:31.922 --> 00:23:33.757
  • By a man who broke into their home.
  • 00:23:33.757 --> 00:23:36.159
  • - i grabbed the towel and i pressed it against his chest
  • 00:23:36.159 --> 00:23:39.429
  • 'cause he was bleeding profusely.
  • 00:23:39.429 --> 00:23:41.899
  • (indistinct radio chatter)
  • 00:23:42.666 --> 00:23:44.601
  • - [narrator] doctors at a nearby hospital
  • 00:23:44.601 --> 00:23:46.370
  • Couldn't stop the bleeding
  • 00:23:46.370 --> 00:23:48.105
  • And robert was life flighted
  • 00:23:48.105 --> 00:23:49.673
  • To richland memorial hospital in columbia, south carolina.
  • 00:23:49.673 --> 00:23:54.611
  • When mary arrived, robert was in surgery
  • 00:23:54.611 --> 00:23:57.748
  • Where doctors tried to repair the wounds
  • 00:23:57.748 --> 00:24:00.250
  • To his chest, abdomen, liver and lungs.
  • 00:24:00.250 --> 00:24:04.555
  • A chaplain was sent to talk
  • 00:24:04.555 --> 00:24:06.056
  • To mary about robert's condition.
  • 00:24:06.056 --> 00:24:08.759
  • - he said, "well the doctor want me to let you know
  • 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.029
  • That he wasn't gonna make it.
  • 00:24:12.029 --> 00:24:14.031
  • They can't get a handle on the bleeding from the liver."
  • 00:24:14.031 --> 00:24:17.467
  • So i yell, "god will get a handle on the bleeding"
  • 00:24:17.467 --> 00:24:20.938
  • And i walked off.
  • 00:24:20.938 --> 00:24:22.506
  • - [narrator] moments later, the lead surgeon came out
  • 00:24:22.506 --> 00:24:24.841
  • And told her the same thing.
  • 00:24:24.841 --> 00:24:27.044
  • He allowed mary to come into the operating room
  • 00:24:27.044 --> 00:24:30.080
  • To say goodbye.
  • 00:24:30.080 --> 00:24:31.882
  • - and the doctor took me around to the head and said,
  • 00:24:31.882 --> 00:24:33.717
  • "kiss him."
  • 00:24:33.717 --> 00:24:34.985
  • So i grabbed his head and i kissed him.
  • 00:24:34.985 --> 00:24:37.387
  • He was swollen beyond recognition and i said,
  • 00:24:37.387 --> 00:24:39.723
  • "lord, in the name of jesus, god, let bobby live."
  • 00:24:39.723 --> 00:24:43.026
  • - [narrator] when mary left the or,
  • 00:24:43.026 --> 00:24:44.461
  • She began calling family and church friends to pray.
  • 00:24:44.461 --> 00:24:48.098
  • - about two hours or so later, the doctor came out,
  • 00:24:48.098 --> 00:24:50.500
  • The head surgeon came out smiling and he hugged me.
  • 00:24:50.500 --> 00:24:54.137
  • In that time, i knew things had turned around
  • 00:24:54.137 --> 00:24:56.974
  • And i said, "god did it.
  • 00:24:56.974 --> 00:24:59.009
  • God did it."
  • 00:24:59.009 --> 00:24:59.977
  • And he kept smiling.
  • 00:24:59.977 --> 00:25:01.445
  • - [narrator] while doctors had stopped the bleeding,
  • 00:25:01.445 --> 00:25:03.647
  • They still didn't expect robert to live
  • 00:25:03.647 --> 00:25:05.616
  • Much more than two weeks.
  • 00:25:05.616 --> 00:25:07.751
  • If he did, he'd lost so much blood,
  • 00:25:07.751 --> 00:25:10.220
  • He would likely have permanent brain damage.
  • 00:25:10.220 --> 00:25:13.290
  • - one male nurse came back a week later and he's like,
  • 00:25:13.290 --> 00:25:16.994
  • "oh, he's still here?"
  • 00:25:16.994 --> 00:25:18.729
  • And i got upset.
  • 00:25:18.729 --> 00:25:20.063
  • I'm like, "what do you mean he's still here?"
  • 00:25:20.063 --> 00:25:21.865
  • I said, "the lord is bringing him through."
  • 00:25:21.865 --> 00:25:24.334
  • - [narrator] with robert in a medically induced coma
  • 00:25:24.334 --> 00:25:26.837
  • To minimize brain swelling,
  • 00:25:26.837 --> 00:25:28.905
  • Mary prayed by her husband's bedside every day.
  • 00:25:28.905 --> 00:25:32.843
  • I would go over his whole body and said,
  • 00:25:32.843 --> 00:25:34.344
  • "lord, let everything work and be healed in his body."
  • 00:25:34.344 --> 00:25:36.780
  • Two weeks came and went.
  • 00:25:36.780 --> 00:25:38.415
  • Robert was still alive and in a coma
  • 00:25:38.415 --> 00:25:41.151
  • And mary and a multitude of people were still praying.
  • 00:25:41.151 --> 00:25:45.355
  • Week three would bring more bad news.
  • 00:25:45.355 --> 00:25:48.325
  • Robert's heart developed afib,
  • 00:25:48.325 --> 00:25:50.794
  • Where chaotic heart signals cause
  • 00:25:50.794 --> 00:25:52.896
  • A rapid, erratic heartbeat.
  • 00:25:52.896 --> 00:25:55.565
  • In addition, blood clots had formed in robert's leg
  • 00:25:55.565 --> 00:25:59.603
  • And his lungs were collecting fluid.
  • 00:25:59.603 --> 00:26:02.139
  • He was back in surgery again.
  • 00:26:02.139 --> 00:26:04.574
  • - they told me and my son, said he could die on the table.
  • 00:26:05.942 --> 00:26:09.413
  • You know that, that really scared me.
  • 00:26:09.413 --> 00:26:10.981
  • I said, "lord."
  • 00:26:10.981 --> 00:26:12.182
  • I said, "no, he's not gonna die."
  • 00:26:12.182 --> 00:26:14.317
  • I said, "you brought him this far, he's gonna live.
  • 00:26:14.317 --> 00:26:16.553
  • I trust god."
  • 00:26:16.553 --> 00:26:17.854
  • I said, "i trust you, lord, i trust you."
  • 00:26:17.854 --> 00:26:19.690
  • - [narrator] again, robert pulled through,
  • 00:26:19.690 --> 00:26:21.758
  • But doctors still warned mary that his prognosis was poor.
  • 00:26:21.758 --> 00:26:26.530
  • - and he was just weak and you know,
  • 00:26:26.530 --> 00:26:28.265
  • Like they thought he was gonna die.
  • 00:26:28.265 --> 00:26:29.766
  • Things were going through my mind,
  • 00:26:29.766 --> 00:26:30.934
  • Lord, why does this happen?
  • 00:26:30.934 --> 00:26:32.235
  • Started crying, said he didn't deserve this.
  • 00:26:32.235 --> 00:26:34.538
  • I said, "is this working together for our good?
  • 00:26:34.538 --> 00:26:37.808
  • Lord, you said in everything give thanks."
  • 00:26:37.808 --> 00:26:39.976
  • So i just started praising him.
  • 00:26:39.976 --> 00:26:41.445
  • I just thanked the lord.
  • 00:26:41.445 --> 00:26:43.280
  • I said, "lord, no matter what it looks like,
  • 00:26:43.280 --> 00:26:45.215
  • I give you the honor, the glory and the praise
  • 00:26:45.215 --> 00:26:46.950
  • And i thank you."
  • 00:26:46.950 --> 00:26:48.318
  • - [narrator] after more than a month of surgeries,
  • 00:26:48.318 --> 00:26:50.287
  • Doctors had fixed everything they could,
  • 00:26:50.287 --> 00:26:53.256
  • But robert wasn't coming out of the coma.
  • 00:26:53.256 --> 00:26:56.226
  • They asked mary to try to rouse him.
  • 00:26:56.226 --> 00:26:59.296
  • For days, she and her son kenneth tried with no success,
  • 00:26:59.296 --> 00:27:03.767
  • Until one day.
  • 00:27:03.767 --> 00:27:05.502
  • - kenneth was on one side, i was on the other side
  • 00:27:05.502 --> 00:27:08.772
  • And i was calling him, "bobby, bobby, wake up."
  • 00:27:08.772 --> 00:27:12.175
  • He said, "daddy",
  • 00:27:12.175 --> 00:27:14.578
  • His eyes popped open.
  • 00:27:15.278 --> 00:27:16.847
  • We grabbed hands and he just pulled up close to us
  • 00:27:16.847 --> 00:27:19.683
  • Like that.
  • 00:27:19.683 --> 00:27:21.318
  • And of course tears came, you know, from us.
  • 00:27:21.318 --> 00:27:24.221
  • - [narrator] robert would spend
  • 00:27:24.221 --> 00:27:25.255
  • Many weeks in rehab
  • 00:27:25.255 --> 00:27:26.723
  • Regaining his physical strength and ability to talk.
  • 00:27:26.723 --> 00:27:30.393
  • - it was a slow process, i would say.
  • 00:27:30.393 --> 00:27:32.662
  • He would talk some
  • 00:27:32.662 --> 00:27:34.197
  • And then it just came back like natural.
  • 00:27:34.197 --> 00:27:36.266
  • His mind was coming together more.
  • 00:27:36.266 --> 00:27:39.035
  • - [narrator] as robert regained his memory,
  • 00:27:39.035 --> 00:27:41.304
  • He realized there were some things doctors couldn't fix.
  • 00:27:41.304 --> 00:27:45.075
  • Robert worked as a prison guard captain
  • 00:27:45.075 --> 00:27:47.410
  • At lee correctional institute.
  • 00:27:47.410 --> 00:27:49.846
  • He and his team seized contraband,
  • 00:27:49.846 --> 00:27:52.816
  • The illegal drugs, guns, knives, and cell phones
  • 00:27:52.816 --> 00:27:56.219
  • Smuggled inside the prison.
  • 00:27:56.219 --> 00:27:58.555
  • He had made some enemies and they wanted him dead.
  • 00:27:58.555 --> 00:28:02.826
  • Ex-con sean eccles had been sent to do the job.
  • 00:28:02.826 --> 00:28:06.963
  • Even though eccles was convicted and sentenced to prison,
  • 00:28:06.963 --> 00:28:10.700
  • Robert struggled with anger.
  • 00:28:10.700 --> 00:28:13.336
  • - 'cause i was thinking, said,
  • 00:28:13.336 --> 00:28:14.271
  • "these guys hunted me down.
  • 00:28:14.271 --> 00:28:16.773
  • They tried to kill me and my wife."
  • 00:28:16.773 --> 00:28:18.875
  • And bitterness was starting to build.
  • 00:28:18.875 --> 00:28:21.845
  • One morning, about 3:00 in the morning,
  • 00:28:21.845 --> 00:28:23.847
  • Sounded like someone was speaking to me and he said,
  • 00:28:23.847 --> 00:28:26.750
  • "forgive",
  • 00:28:26.750 --> 00:28:28.285
  • 'cause i couldn't let this root of bitterness grow up in me.
  • 00:28:28.285 --> 00:28:31.121
  • It just, it's a great freedom.
  • 00:28:31.121 --> 00:28:32.889
  • Hatred and bitterness put you in.
  • 00:28:32.889 --> 00:28:35.358
  • - [narrator] after three months in the hospital,
  • 00:28:35.358 --> 00:28:37.093
  • Robert went home where he continued his recovery.
  • 00:28:37.093 --> 00:28:40.797
  • Although he still has pain
  • 00:28:40.797 --> 00:28:42.199
  • And sometimes walks with a cane,
  • 00:28:42.199 --> 00:28:44.301
  • He's grateful for every day.
  • 00:28:44.301 --> 00:28:46.970
  • - i take each day as precious,
  • 00:28:47.838 --> 00:28:49.906
  • It's precious time to me.
  • 00:28:49.906 --> 00:28:51.441
  • - [narrator] today he's a pastor,
  • 00:28:51.441 --> 00:28:52.776
  • Author and public speaker,
  • 00:28:52.776 --> 00:28:54.878
  • Telling other victims of violent crime
  • 00:28:54.878 --> 00:28:57.514
  • About the power of prayer
  • 00:28:57.514 --> 00:28:59.583
  • And the loving god who saved his life.
  • 00:28:59.583 --> 00:29:02.352
  • - do not give up.
  • 00:29:02.352 --> 00:29:04.888
  • When those doctors were ready to give up on me,
  • 00:29:04.888 --> 00:29:07.657
  • My wife did not give up.
  • 00:29:07.657 --> 00:29:09.659
  • She trusted god.
  • 00:29:09.659 --> 00:29:11.161
  • - it's taught me that god is there.
  • 00:29:11.161 --> 00:29:14.030
  • Don't ever doubt, no matter what happens,
  • 00:29:14.030 --> 00:29:16.399
  • God is the only hope that anyone could ever have.
  • 00:29:16.399 --> 00:29:19.903
  • - prayer is powerful.
  • 00:29:19.903 --> 00:29:21.404
  • It's not over till he says it's over.
  • 00:29:21.404 --> 00:29:25.809
  • - do not give up.
  • 00:29:26.443 --> 00:29:28.078
  • Prayer is power.
  • 00:29:28.078 --> 00:29:29.813
  • We believe that as well
  • 00:29:29.813 --> 00:29:31.815
  • And that's why we set aside time during our program
  • 00:29:31.815 --> 00:29:34.784
  • To pray for you.
  • 00:29:34.784 --> 00:29:36.186
  • We know that many of you are struggling with things
  • 00:29:36.186 --> 00:29:38.288
  • That just like robert and mary's situation,
  • 00:29:38.288 --> 00:29:40.523
  • You know, they might look impossible.
  • 00:29:40.523 --> 00:29:42.125
  • There might even be people
  • 00:29:42.125 --> 00:29:43.693
  • Like some of the medical people in this scenario
  • 00:29:43.693 --> 00:29:46.162
  • That are telling you it's not gonna work out.
  • 00:29:46.162 --> 00:29:49.299
  • It might be financial people
  • 00:29:49.299 --> 00:29:50.700
  • Telling you you're never gonna get out of this hole
  • 00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:53.203
  • That's been dug.
  • 00:29:53.203 --> 00:29:54.437
  • Listen, it can be many, many things.
  • 00:29:54.437 --> 00:29:55.872
  • Maybe it's an addiction you struggle with yourself.
  • 00:29:55.872 --> 00:29:58.108
  • Always, always, there is hope and always god is there
  • 00:29:59.409 --> 00:30:03.380
  • And he is the one who has the power
  • 00:30:03.380 --> 00:30:06.283
  • To touch and to change
  • 00:30:06.283 --> 00:30:08.385
  • And to make a difference in your lives.
  • 00:30:08.385 --> 00:30:10.220
  • So we wanna pray to that end with you today,
  • 00:30:10.220 --> 00:30:13.023
  • Joining with you, asking god to do the impossible for you
  • 00:30:13.023 --> 00:30:16.393
  • In your circumstance.
  • 00:30:16.393 --> 00:30:18.028
  • This is tammy who lives in high point, north carolina.
  • 00:30:18.028 --> 00:30:20.864
  • Gordon, she started having significant pain
  • 00:30:20.864 --> 00:30:24.401
  • In her right shoulder.
  • 00:30:24.401 --> 00:30:25.869
  • She was watching this program and she heard you say,
  • 00:30:25.869 --> 00:30:27.170
  • "someone else has a frozen shoulder
  • 00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:28.905
  • And you're saying please say that.
  • 00:30:28.905 --> 00:30:30.840
  • So i'm saying frozen shoulder is just for you.
  • 00:30:30.840 --> 00:30:33.576
  • It's your right shoulder.
  • 00:30:33.576 --> 00:30:34.811
  • Do what you could not do before.
  • 00:30:34.811 --> 00:30:36.246
  • Lift your arm up and realize the pain is gone now."
  • 00:30:36.246 --> 00:30:40.717
  • Without hesitation, tammy claimed it.
  • 00:30:40.717 --> 00:30:43.119
  • She raised her arms and tammy was instantly healed.
  • 00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:46.723
  • - [gordon] praise god.
  • 00:30:46.723 --> 00:30:47.958
  • Here's margaret from sarasota, florida.
  • 00:30:47.958 --> 00:30:49.326
  • She was began seeing double.
  • 00:30:49.326 --> 00:30:51.928
  • One day she turned on the tv
  • 00:30:51.928 --> 00:30:53.897
  • And terry was praying,
  • 00:30:53.897 --> 00:30:55.565
  • "someone, you have an eye condition.
  • 00:30:55.565 --> 00:30:57.367
  • It's something to do with the muscles of your eye
  • 00:30:57.367 --> 00:31:00.537
  • Not having enough tension in them
  • 00:31:00.537 --> 00:31:02.772
  • And it is affecting your vision.
  • 00:31:02.772 --> 00:31:05.375
  • God is correcting that for you right now.
  • 00:31:05.375 --> 00:31:08.311
  • Your eyesight will be perfect."
  • 00:31:08.311 --> 00:31:11.581
  • Well, by faith, margaret agreed with terry.
  • 00:31:11.581 --> 00:31:14.484
  • Immediately, the double vision was gone.
  • 00:31:14.484 --> 00:31:17.454
  • Her sight was clear.
  • 00:31:17.454 --> 00:31:19.723
  • Believe in god.
  • 00:31:19.723 --> 00:31:21.791
  • That's the fundamental message.
  • 00:31:21.791 --> 00:31:24.027
  • Believe in god.
  • 00:31:24.027 --> 00:31:25.462
  • That's what jesus taught in matthew 11,
  • 00:31:25.462 --> 00:31:28.164
  • If you want to see miracles, have faith in god.
  • 00:31:28.164 --> 00:31:32.869
  • Don't have faith in your prayer,
  • 00:31:32.869 --> 00:31:34.738
  • Don't have faith in other things.
  • 00:31:34.738 --> 00:31:37.140
  • Don't have faith in how much you've read the bible
  • 00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:39.609
  • Or how much you haven't read the bible.
  • 00:31:39.609 --> 00:31:41.444
  • Have faith in god.
  • 00:31:41.444 --> 00:31:43.747
  • Believe in him.
  • 00:31:43.747 --> 00:31:45.348
  • Believe in his power.
  • 00:31:45.348 --> 00:31:47.083
  • Believe he sent jesus.
  • 00:31:47.083 --> 00:31:49.119
  • Believe that jesus is the messiah.
  • 00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:51.721
  • Believe that by his blood, you are forgiven,
  • 00:31:51.721 --> 00:31:56.526
  • You are set free from all unrighteousness
  • 00:31:56.526 --> 00:32:00.196
  • And by his stripes, you are healed.
  • 00:32:00.196 --> 00:32:04.734
  • Believe that, you can rest in it.
  • 00:32:04.734 --> 00:32:08.304
  • It's secure.
  • 00:32:08.304 --> 00:32:10.106
  • It's set for all time, for all eternity, it's set.
  • 00:32:10.106 --> 00:32:15.011
  • Jesus said it's finished
  • 00:32:15.011 --> 00:32:18.114
  • And when he said that, he meant it.
  • 00:32:18.114 --> 00:32:20.483
  • All we have to do is to walk
  • 00:32:20.483 --> 00:32:22.552
  • Into the finished work of the cross.
  • 00:32:22.552 --> 00:32:25.755
  • When you have that faith,
  • 00:32:25.755 --> 00:32:27.090
  • You leave your symptoms behind,
  • 00:32:27.090 --> 00:32:28.992
  • You leave the reports behind,
  • 00:32:28.992 --> 00:32:31.194
  • You leave any thought that you're righteous enough
  • 00:32:31.194 --> 00:32:33.596
  • To enter into his presence.
  • 00:32:33.596 --> 00:32:35.198
  • He is the one who makes you righteous.
  • 00:32:35.198 --> 00:32:38.234
  • He is the one who heals you.
  • 00:32:38.234 --> 00:32:40.570
  • He is your all in all.
  • 00:32:40.570 --> 00:32:42.705
  • Go all in and get your healing,
  • 00:32:43.506 --> 00:32:47.143
  • Your need, your answer to prayer.
  • 00:32:47.143 --> 00:32:49.946
  • Let's pray and do it right now.
  • 00:32:49.946 --> 00:32:52.949
  • Lord, we come to you.
  • 00:32:52.949 --> 00:32:54.317
  • We come to you believing, just as little children.
  • 00:32:54.317 --> 00:32:57.754
  • We come to a loving heavenly father
  • 00:32:57.754 --> 00:33:01.024
  • Who wants to take care of every single need.
  • 00:33:01.024 --> 00:33:04.060
  • So lord, we walk into the finished work of the cross.
  • 00:33:05.428 --> 00:33:09.365
  • We see you,
  • 00:33:09.365 --> 00:33:11.167
  • We look to you,
  • 00:33:11.701 --> 00:33:13.536
  • For you are the author and the finisher of our faith.
  • 00:33:13.536 --> 00:33:17.540
  • We receive all that you have for us now
  • 00:33:18.675 --> 00:33:22.078
  • In jesus' name, amen.
  • 00:33:22.779 --> 00:33:25.982
  • There's someone, you've got searing pain in your right lung
  • 00:33:25.982 --> 00:33:28.384
  • With every single breath.
  • 00:33:28.384 --> 00:33:30.320
  • God is healing that, you just felt that,
  • 00:33:30.320 --> 00:33:33.223
  • That pain is leaving you now
  • 00:33:33.223 --> 00:33:35.492
  • And the wonderful news, it's never going to come back.
  • 00:33:35.492 --> 00:33:39.262
  • You are healed, completely healed in jesus' name, terry.
  • 00:33:39.262 --> 00:33:44.200
  • - the word that comes is entwined
  • 00:33:45.168 --> 00:33:47.203
  • And i believe this is somebody you have a,
  • 00:33:47.203 --> 00:33:50.006
  • Some kind of a mass in your head
  • 00:33:50.006 --> 00:33:53.143
  • And it's operable,
  • 00:33:53.143 --> 00:33:55.011
  • But the problem is it's entwined with other things
  • 00:33:55.011 --> 00:33:58.214
  • That make it very, very difficult.
  • 00:33:58.214 --> 00:34:00.383
  • God is creating pathways to healing for you right now.
  • 00:34:01.751 --> 00:34:05.088
  • Just lift up your hands and begin to receive that
  • 00:34:05.088 --> 00:34:08.591
  • As he solves this dilemma
  • 00:34:08.591 --> 00:34:10.593
  • That doctors can't seem to solve, just right now receive it.
  • 00:34:10.593 --> 00:34:13.963
  • God is healing you in powerful ways.
  • 00:34:13.963 --> 00:34:16.699
  • - there's someone, you're involved
  • 00:34:17.667 --> 00:34:20.003
  • In an abusive relationship
  • 00:34:20.003 --> 00:34:21.538
  • And you just can't seem to get free from it
  • 00:34:21.538 --> 00:34:25.475
  • And god just wants to give you the boldness to get free,
  • 00:34:25.475 --> 00:34:29.212
  • That he just wants to assure you,
  • 00:34:29.212 --> 00:34:30.680
  • You don't have to take this.
  • 00:34:30.680 --> 00:34:33.149
  • You can get up and leave it
  • 00:34:33.149 --> 00:34:36.586
  • And so do that right now.
  • 00:34:36.586 --> 00:34:38.955
  • Just have the faith to believe
  • 00:34:38.955 --> 00:34:40.790
  • That he has made a way for you.
  • 00:34:40.790 --> 00:34:42.525
  • He will provide for you.
  • 00:34:42.525 --> 00:34:44.194
  • He will be your all in all.
  • 00:34:44.194 --> 00:34:46.296
  • He never intended this for you.
  • 00:34:46.296 --> 00:34:48.097
  • He wants to set you free from it now in jesus' name.
  • 00:34:48.097 --> 00:34:52.869
  • - yes, someone, someone else.
  • 00:34:52.869 --> 00:34:54.237
  • You have had severe infection in your kidneys
  • 00:34:54.237 --> 00:34:57.373
  • And problems with your liver as well.
  • 00:34:57.373 --> 00:34:59.342
  • This is the same person.
  • 00:34:59.342 --> 00:35:01.611
  • God's healing that condition for you.
  • 00:35:01.611 --> 00:35:03.479
  • You've had it for a while.
  • 00:35:03.479 --> 00:35:04.747
  • It's been so frustrating.
  • 00:35:04.747 --> 00:35:06.282
  • He's healing it for you now.
  • 00:35:06.282 --> 00:35:07.784
  • Just feel that warmth come across your back
  • 00:35:07.784 --> 00:35:10.053
  • And the side of your body as he heals you.
  • 00:35:10.053 --> 00:35:13.523
  • - someone, you scratched your cornea in your left eye
  • 00:35:13.523 --> 00:35:16.326
  • And it's very painful for you.
  • 00:35:16.326 --> 00:35:18.695
  • God is able to heal that cornea.
  • 00:35:18.695 --> 00:35:20.697
  • He's able to make it whole again,
  • 00:35:20.697 --> 00:35:22.966
  • Give you everything that you've lost,
  • 00:35:22.966 --> 00:35:25.235
  • Give you vision, give you everything that's been taken,
  • 00:35:25.235 --> 00:35:28.638
  • In jesus' name, be healed
  • 00:35:28.638 --> 00:35:30.807
  • And be set free from it.
  • 00:35:30.807 --> 00:35:32.709
  • Lord, we thank you.
  • 00:35:33.376 --> 00:35:34.544
  • We thank you for your wonderful power.
  • 00:35:34.544 --> 00:35:38.548
  • We thank you for your wonderful love towards us.
  • 00:35:38.548 --> 00:35:42.418
  • You forgive all our iniquities,
  • 00:35:42.418 --> 00:35:45.655
  • You heal all our diseases.
  • 00:35:45.655 --> 00:35:48.258
  • We receive everything now in jesus' name, amen.
  • 00:35:48.258 --> 00:35:52.462
  • If you've been healed, if you've been set free,
  • 00:35:53.630 --> 00:35:55.598
  • Give us a call, 1-800-700-7000.
  • 00:35:55.598 --> 00:35:59.002
  • If you need prayer, we're here for you.
  • 00:35:59.002 --> 00:36:00.770
  • We're here for you 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
  • 00:36:00.770 --> 00:36:04.040
  • All you have to do is pick up the phone and call,
  • 00:36:04.040 --> 00:36:06.376
  • 1-800-700-7000.
  • 00:36:06.376 --> 00:36:09.545
  • Terry. - well still ahead,
  • 00:36:09.545 --> 00:36:11.481
  • 17 credit cards and proud of them.
  • 00:36:11.481 --> 00:36:14.784
  • This woman was born to shop.
  • 00:36:14.784 --> 00:36:17.420
  • Her husband, not so much.
  • 00:36:17.420 --> 00:36:20.156
  • See how this spender and this saver
  • 00:36:20.156 --> 00:36:22.525
  • Finally wind up on the same page.
  • 00:36:22.525 --> 00:36:25.561
  • Plus, fighting, drinking, womanizing,
  • 00:36:25.561 --> 00:36:29.065
  • A bareback champion was drowning in debauchery.
  • 00:36:29.065 --> 00:36:32.802
  • See what finally tamed this bronco.
  • 00:36:32.802 --> 00:36:35.238
  • That's coming up.
  • 00:36:35.238 --> 00:36:36.806
  • (stirring music)
  • 00:36:36.806 --> 00:36:45.248
  • - i didn't even give it a second thought
  • 00:36:46.382 --> 00:36:49.485
  • That there could be a miscarriage.
  • 00:36:49.485 --> 00:36:52.322
  • I don't think i really processed it
  • 00:36:52.322 --> 00:36:54.190
  • Until we were driving home.
  • 00:36:54.190 --> 00:36:55.725
  • That's when i finally cried about it.
  • 00:36:55.725 --> 00:36:58.027
  • - god, if this doesn't happen, i still love you.
  • 00:36:58.027 --> 00:37:01.464
  • - i was mad in the way where you are
  • 00:37:01.464 --> 00:37:05.968
  • Boiling on the inside.
  • 00:37:05.968 --> 00:37:13.276
  • I was surrendering myself.
  • 00:37:14.043 --> 00:37:17.447
  • I felt held.
  • 00:37:17.447 --> 00:37:21.951
  • - well, we saw the heartbeat
  • 00:37:22.752 --> 00:37:23.886
  • And that was like, okay.
  • 00:37:23.886 --> 00:37:25.922
  • - we've never been this far.
  • 00:37:25.922 --> 00:37:27.757
  • - eight years of wanting that moment.
  • 00:37:27.757 --> 00:37:30.626
  • - my little girl is in my arms,
  • 00:37:30.626 --> 00:37:35.331
  • Finally.
  • 00:37:35.732 --> 00:37:36.566
  • Have the guts to let go.
  • 00:37:36.566 --> 00:37:39.469
  • That allows the lord to move in a way
  • 00:37:39.469 --> 00:37:43.106
  • That we can't even imagine.
  • 00:37:43.106 --> 00:37:46.442
  • (energetic music)
  • 00:37:47.076 --> 00:37:49.979
  • ♪ oh, and where there's joy, there's action ♪
  • 00:37:51.147 --> 00:37:53.683
  • ♪ it's like a great attraction ♪
  • 00:37:53.683 --> 00:37:55.351
  • ♪ that starts a chain reaction ♪
  • 00:37:55.351 --> 00:37:57.487
  • ♪ (indistinct) satisfaction ♪
  • 00:37:57.487 --> 00:37:59.122
  • ♪ i love the way this joy makes me move ♪
  • 00:37:59.122 --> 00:38:04.994
  • ♪ i got the joy ♪
  • 00:38:05.661 --> 00:38:07.897
  • ♪ i dance around because i know the joy ♪
  • 00:38:07.897 --> 00:38:11.834
  • ♪ i move around because i got it, joy ♪
  • 00:38:11.834 --> 00:38:16.906
  • ♪ joy to the heart ♪
  • 00:38:17.607 --> 00:38:21.677
  • ♪ joy, i dance around because i know it ♪
  • 00:38:21.677 --> 00:38:25.181
  • ♪ joy, i move around because i got it ♪
  • 00:38:25.181 --> 00:38:28.851
  • ♪ joy ♪
  • 00:38:28.851 --> 00:38:32.054
  • ♪ joy to the heart ♪
  • 00:38:32.054 --> 00:38:36.359
  • ♪ joy ♪
  • 00:38:36.359 --> 00:38:39.495
  • ♪ joy to the heart ♪
  • 00:38:39.495 --> 00:38:43.800
  • ♪ joy ♪
  • 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.768
  • - in the last five minutes of my labor and delivery was
  • 00:38:47.170 --> 00:38:50.039
  • When i noticed something was wrong.
  • 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.074
  • They put her on my chest
  • 00:38:52.074 --> 00:38:53.576
  • And right away, they took her away
  • 00:38:53.576 --> 00:38:55.344
  • And she wasn't crying and she looked sort of gray.
  • 00:38:55.344 --> 00:38:58.214
  • I didn't know if she was gonna live or die.
  • 00:38:59.415 --> 00:39:01.217
  • Then they came back in the room and said
  • 00:39:02.351 --> 00:39:04.020
  • She's had a brain injury.
  • 00:39:04.020 --> 00:39:05.988
  • That's when i really started praying,
  • 00:39:05.988 --> 00:39:08.257
  • God, please, please let her mind be okay.
  • 00:39:08.257 --> 00:39:11.594
  • Turned on the tv and just randomly flipping the channels,
  • 00:39:11.594 --> 00:39:14.130
  • Here's cbn.
  • 00:39:14.130 --> 00:39:15.198
  • It really lifted me up.
  • 00:39:15.198 --> 00:39:16.732
  • It gave me that little bit of hope i needed at the time.
  • 00:39:16.732 --> 00:39:19.068
  • After that, i really felt like things started moving
  • 00:39:19.068 --> 00:39:21.370
  • Even more.
  • 00:39:21.370 --> 00:39:22.738
  • She went from being behind to advanced for her age.
  • 00:39:22.738 --> 00:39:26.609
  • I can never deny the power of prayer.
  • 00:39:26.609 --> 00:39:28.711
  • I would always just say,
  • 00:39:28.711 --> 00:39:30.012
  • Pray and pray more and just keep trusting god.
  • 00:39:30.012 --> 00:39:34.016
  • His word is true.
  • 00:39:34.016 --> 00:39:35.618
  • He saw me through all the bad things i thought would happen
  • 00:39:35.618 --> 00:39:38.054
  • To my daughter and he healed her.
  • 00:39:38.054 --> 00:39:40.456
  • Psalms 34:4,
  • 00:39:40.456 --> 00:39:41.858
  • I sought the lord and he answered me.
  • 00:39:41.858 --> 00:39:44.160
  • He delivered me from all of my fears.
  • 00:39:44.160 --> 00:39:46.195
  • - i got into a serious relationship,
  • 00:39:47.296 --> 00:39:50.299
  • But his family was like involved in santería.
  • 00:39:50.299 --> 00:39:53.769
  • They would do like ouija boards and like,
  • 00:39:53.769 --> 00:39:56.305
  • I mean everything that you can think of like occult,
  • 00:39:56.305 --> 00:39:58.474
  • Like they were in it
  • 00:39:58.474 --> 00:39:59.876
  • And i feel like something just like sit on me,
  • 00:39:59.876 --> 00:40:03.479
  • Like i was like shaking, crying.
  • 00:40:03.479 --> 00:40:06.148
  • I just called out to jesus.
  • 00:40:06.148 --> 00:40:09.418
  • From that moment,
  • 00:40:09.418 --> 00:40:11.487
  • I felt like god took it
  • 00:40:11.487 --> 00:40:13.623
  • And was like, "i'm gonna heal you."
  • 00:40:13.623 --> 00:40:17.159
  • - jason was a saver.
  • 00:40:17.827 --> 00:40:19.295
  • His wife, angie, was a spender.
  • 00:40:19.295 --> 00:40:21.397
  • Angie had an arsenal of 17 credit cards at her fingertips
  • 00:40:21.397 --> 00:40:26.302
  • And one day, she dug through her wallet,
  • 00:40:26.302 --> 00:40:28.871
  • Took out all her credit cards and cut them all up.
  • 00:40:28.871 --> 00:40:34.810
  • - i just like to spend.
  • 00:40:35.478 --> 00:40:37.780
  • At the last point, i had 17 credit cards.
  • 00:40:37.780 --> 00:40:41.817
  • A lot of them were department stores,
  • 00:40:41.817 --> 00:40:44.787
  • Jewelry stores
  • 00:40:44.787 --> 00:40:46.923
  • Or american express, visa, those kind.
  • 00:40:46.923 --> 00:40:50.192
  • - any kind of debt stressed me out
  • 00:40:50.192 --> 00:40:52.995
  • And we had a couple of car payments at that time also.
  • 00:40:52.995 --> 00:40:55.665
  • That really stressed me out.
  • 00:40:55.665 --> 00:40:57.166
  • I didn't like it.
  • 00:40:57.166 --> 00:40:58.701
  • - [narrator] like many couples, jason and angie cabler had
  • 00:40:58.701 --> 00:41:01.237
  • Conflicting views about money.
  • 00:41:01.237 --> 00:41:03.272
  • - when we fought, we fought about money.
  • 00:41:03.272 --> 00:41:05.508
  • I think if we would have had open communication
  • 00:41:05.508 --> 00:41:08.611
  • In the beginning,
  • 00:41:08.611 --> 00:41:09.845
  • I think our first seven years of marriage
  • 00:41:09.845 --> 00:41:12.081
  • Would not have been so hard.
  • 00:41:12.081 --> 00:41:14.016
  • - [narrator] jason grew up not quite sold on tithing.
  • 00:41:14.016 --> 00:41:17.486
  • - you know, if somebody asked me to share my money
  • 00:41:17.486 --> 00:41:19.855
  • Or to give my money for something,
  • 00:41:19.855 --> 00:41:21.190
  • It was like, yeah, no, i'm not gonna do that.
  • 00:41:21.190 --> 00:41:24.060
  • This is my money, i want it.
  • 00:41:24.060 --> 00:41:26.128
  • (jason laughs)
  • 00:41:26.128 --> 00:41:27.496
  • - [narrator] however, by the time he married angie,
  • 00:41:27.496 --> 00:41:28.998
  • Jason had warmed up to the idea of tithing.
  • 00:41:28.998 --> 00:41:32.068
  • While she managed the checkbook,
  • 00:41:32.068 --> 00:41:33.803
  • He focused on building up his dental practice.
  • 00:41:33.803 --> 00:41:36.405
  • - i was trying to figure out how to run a practice,
  • 00:41:36.405 --> 00:41:38.274
  • Run a business and it was very stressful
  • 00:41:38.274 --> 00:41:42.178
  • So i gave all that over to her,
  • 00:41:42.178 --> 00:41:44.347
  • But when it came down to it,
  • 00:41:44.347 --> 00:41:46.082
  • It wasn't her natural inclination to want to deal with that.
  • 00:41:46.082 --> 00:41:49.919
  • - [narrator] the stress of handling their bills
  • 00:41:49.919 --> 00:41:51.754
  • Finally got to angie.
  • 00:41:51.754 --> 00:41:53.823
  • - he started just questioning me
  • 00:41:53.823 --> 00:41:55.024
  • And i got very offensive,
  • 00:41:55.024 --> 00:41:57.326
  • Like, why are you questioning what i'm doing?
  • 00:41:57.326 --> 00:42:00.196
  • So much to the point that one night,
  • 00:42:00.196 --> 00:42:03.032
  • I threw the checkbook at him and i told him,
  • 00:42:03.032 --> 00:42:05.801
  • "you will take care of it.
  • 00:42:05.801 --> 00:42:07.436
  • I will no longer pay the bills."
  • 00:42:07.436 --> 00:42:10.072
  • At that point, he took the lead,
  • 00:42:10.072 --> 00:42:13.275
  • He became more of the head of our household.
  • 00:42:13.275 --> 00:42:16.212
  • - [narrator] jason then began paying the bills.
  • 00:42:16.212 --> 00:42:18.614
  • He also suggested the couple enroll
  • 00:42:18.614 --> 00:42:20.616
  • In a financial strategy program through their church.
  • 00:42:20.616 --> 00:42:23.719
  • - the first few sessions that she went to,
  • 00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:25.755
  • She basically sat there with her arms crossed
  • 00:42:25.755 --> 00:42:28.124
  • And doing this number,
  • 00:42:28.124 --> 00:42:31.293
  • But as time went on,
  • 00:42:31.293 --> 00:42:32.795
  • She started catching the vision a little bit and so did i.
  • 00:42:32.795 --> 00:42:35.598
  • I started learning a lot of things that i didn't know.
  • 00:42:35.598 --> 00:42:37.833
  • - [narrator] at the end of one of the classes,
  • 00:42:37.833 --> 00:42:40.002
  • Angie surprised jason.
  • 00:42:40.002 --> 00:42:42.271
  • - the coordinator would always,
  • 00:42:42.271 --> 00:42:44.173
  • At the end of the night he would say,
  • 00:42:44.173 --> 00:42:46.842
  • "is there anybody that wants to cut up
  • 00:42:46.842 --> 00:42:48.310
  • Their credit cards tonight?"
  • 00:42:48.310 --> 00:42:50.346
  • Angie stood up
  • 00:42:50.913 --> 00:42:52.181
  • And started digging through her billfold,
  • 00:42:53.349 --> 00:42:55.484
  • Took out all of those credit cards, i believe it was 17,
  • 00:42:55.484 --> 00:42:59.155
  • And cut every last one of 'em up
  • 00:42:59.155 --> 00:43:02.425
  • And i had no idea this was gonna happen.
  • 00:43:02.425 --> 00:43:05.261
  • - [narrator] the cablers also took
  • 00:43:05.261 --> 00:43:06.662
  • Marriage counseling to help them communicate
  • 00:43:06.662 --> 00:43:08.898
  • Better about money.
  • 00:43:08.898 --> 00:43:10.332
  • - i had to really go through a transition
  • 00:43:10.332 --> 00:43:12.101
  • To learn how to let go
  • 00:43:12.101 --> 00:43:13.969
  • And learn that really it all belongs to god
  • 00:43:13.969 --> 00:43:17.206
  • And that it's mine to manage
  • 00:43:17.206 --> 00:43:19.208
  • And it's more of a joy now
  • 00:43:19.208 --> 00:43:21.110
  • To be able to give, rather than a stress
  • 00:43:21.110 --> 00:43:24.680
  • And obviously, that's gotten much easier over the years.
  • 00:43:24.680 --> 00:43:28.117
  • - once we got on the same page
  • 00:43:28.117 --> 00:43:31.153
  • With money and finances, it,
  • 00:43:31.153 --> 00:43:34.223
  • I think our, that's where our marriage did a 180
  • 00:43:34.223 --> 00:43:36.692
  • And we started flourishing.
  • 00:43:36.692 --> 00:43:38.694
  • - [narrator] today, the cablers have no credit cards
  • 00:43:38.694 --> 00:43:40.863
  • And no debt other than their mortgage.
  • 00:43:40.863 --> 00:43:43.265
  • Jason's practice has grown as well
  • 00:43:43.265 --> 00:43:45.701
  • And he even writes a weekly blog about finances.
  • 00:43:45.701 --> 00:43:49.038
  • - a blessed 90% is
  • 00:43:49.038 --> 00:43:51.607
  • Always greater than an unblessed 100%.
  • 00:43:51.607 --> 00:43:55.711
  • It's not the kind of math we learned in school,
  • 00:43:55.711 --> 00:43:58.280
  • But when you exercise that faith,
  • 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.983
  • He will bless that 10% and multiply it.
  • 00:44:00.983 --> 00:44:05.821
  • - be obedient with your finances
  • 00:44:05.821 --> 00:44:07.923
  • And tithing and trust god.
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  • If i could encourage someone to just step out on faith
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  • And do it, try it for 90 days,
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  • Go ahead and give that 10%
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  • And trust god and watch the miracles that will take place.
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  • - trust god and watch the miracles that will take place
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  • In your life when you just trust him,
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  • And one of the best ways to trust him is
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  • To trust him with your finances.
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  • It's the only time you get to prove god.
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  • He says it very clearly in malachi,
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  • Test me now on this.
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  • Prove me now on this
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  • If i will not open for you the windows of heaven.
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  • You live life his way, wonderful things can happen.
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  • Say, i'm going to live within my income,
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  • - when i was eight years old,
  • 00:47:19.648 --> 00:47:21.216
  • I was molested by a boy that was only a year older than me.
  • 00:47:21.216 --> 00:47:23.752
  • I became very sexualized.
  • 00:47:23.752 --> 00:47:25.621
  • I started going all over the state
  • 00:47:26.588 --> 00:47:28.290
  • Just for random sexual encounters that i would find online.
  • 00:47:28.290 --> 00:47:32.061
  • Nothing was satisfying anymore
  • 00:47:32.061 --> 00:47:34.563
  • And so i began to remember
  • 00:47:34.563 --> 00:47:36.465
  • All the fantasies i had as a child of feeling like a boy.
  • 00:47:36.465 --> 00:47:40.602
  • I began to transition.
  • 00:47:40.602 --> 00:47:41.971
  • I began to take the hormones
  • 00:47:41.971 --> 00:47:43.872
  • And at first, it was the greatest thing ever.
  • 00:47:43.872 --> 00:47:46.375
  • I was really excited about the results
  • 00:47:46.375 --> 00:47:47.843
  • And i liked how it looked physically.
  • 00:47:47.843 --> 00:47:50.179
  • I realized that my surgery hadn't made me a man
  • 00:47:50.179 --> 00:47:52.982
  • And that was devastating to me.
  • 00:47:52.982 --> 00:47:54.984
  • But after about a month of just crying out to the lord
  • 00:47:54.984 --> 00:47:57.086
  • Night after night after night,
  • 00:47:57.086 --> 00:47:58.654
  • I had a clear vision of jesus christ himself
  • 00:47:59.788 --> 00:48:01.623
  • Getting down on one knee.
  • 00:48:01.623 --> 00:48:03.092
  • He reached his hand into the pit and he said,
  • 00:48:03.092 --> 00:48:04.960
  • "do you trust me?"
  • 00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:06.762
  • I took his hand, i walked away from my entire identity.
  • 00:48:06.762 --> 00:48:10.265
  • You are who god created you to be
  • 00:48:10.265 --> 00:48:11.900
  • And you are put on this earth for his purpose.
  • 00:48:11.900 --> 00:48:14.203
  • God loves you more than you could ever even imagine.
  • 00:48:14.203 --> 00:48:18.440
  • - it was so intense with the sinus pressure
  • 00:48:19.575 --> 00:48:22.644
  • That it was to the point
  • 00:48:22.644 --> 00:48:24.880
  • Where my jaws were even hurting from coughing so intensely.
  • 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.417
  • It was a battle, it really was.
  • 00:48:28.417 --> 00:48:30.019
  • But he kept saying to me, this too will pass.
  • 00:48:30.019 --> 00:48:32.588
  • So i just stand up and say, "i'm waiting on you, lord."
  • 00:48:32.588 --> 00:48:35.591
  • I just kept confessing.
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  • God is my healer, he is my healer.
  • 00:48:37.393 --> 00:48:40.062
  • They were to the section
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  • Where they were talking about
  • 00:48:41.497 --> 00:48:43.665
  • People receiving healings,
  • 00:48:43.665 --> 00:48:45.100
  • They were gonna pray for anyone who was sick.
  • 00:48:45.100 --> 00:48:47.136
  • - there's someone, you heard the report
  • 00:48:47.136 --> 00:48:48.437
  • About sinus conditions and you're saying,
  • 00:48:48.437 --> 00:48:50.172
  • Please say sinus conditions,
  • 00:48:50.172 --> 00:48:51.573
  • So for you, i'm saying sinus condition,
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  • All of that inflammation,
  • 00:48:54.476 --> 00:48:56.345
  • Everything that seems to be swollen and closed up,
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  • Open now in jesus' name.
  • 00:48:59.548 --> 00:49:01.850
  • - i jumped up and my spirit just kind of leaped and i said,
  • 00:49:01.850 --> 00:49:04.953
  • "that's for me, lord, that's it."
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  • You think maybe he's not mindful of those things,
  • 00:49:06.455 --> 00:49:08.524
  • But he's mindful of everything.
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  • He's just faithful and he is our healer.
  • 00:49:10.092 --> 00:49:19.668
  • - i was muslim for four years.
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  • I had spells cast on me
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  • And just everything you can think of.
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  • I never got what i was looking for.
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  • There was no real power to change my life.
  • 00:49:30.446 --> 00:49:34.216
  • I had tried everything.
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  • It was just came to a point where it was like,
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  • You know what?
  • 00:49:38.187 --> 00:49:39.121
  • I don't want to do this anymore.
  • 00:49:39.121 --> 00:49:40.656
  • The little old lady at the church,
  • 00:49:40.656 --> 00:49:42.391
  • She'd come and get me.
  • 00:49:42.391 --> 00:49:44.126
  • She prayed for me and all i know is
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  • I felt the love of god.
  • 00:49:46.929 --> 00:49:49.631
  • We would read from genesis to revelation
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  • And we just went deep in the word of god.
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  • Everything about me, even my very countenance begin
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  • To change after that point,
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  • And now i just have a desire
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  • To see them experience the loving kindness of god
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  • That i have experienced,
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  • To see that true change is possible
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  • And that what you thought that you were looking for
  • 00:50:11.820 --> 00:50:14.356
  • Can only be found in christ.
  • 00:50:14.356 --> 00:50:19.995
  • - the horse bucks, leaps in the air
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  • And then jerks in the opposite direction.
  • 00:50:23.432 --> 00:50:26.001
  • Bareback rodeo is a wild ride
  • 00:50:26.001 --> 00:50:29.037
  • And anthony thomas is one of the top champions.
  • 00:50:29.037 --> 00:50:32.107
  • So at the peak of his career,
  • 00:50:32.107 --> 00:50:34.143
  • Why was anthony at the lowest of lows
  • 00:50:34.143 --> 00:50:37.613
  • And how did a supernatural date totally transform him?
  • 00:50:37.613 --> 00:50:42.017
  • Just watch.
  • 00:50:42.017 --> 00:50:45.587
  • - [narrator] anthony thomas has lived life
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  • Much like how he rides a horse,
  • 00:50:48.557 --> 00:50:50.559
  • Some by saddle, some by bareback.
  • 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.795
  • - i was a troubled kid that ran away from home,
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  • That had a dream to be a cowboy.
  • 00:50:57.166 --> 00:50:59.568
  • God definitely placed horses in my life and in my heart.
  • 00:50:59.568 --> 00:51:02.571
  • I was able to connect with a horse as a young kid.
  • 00:51:02.571 --> 00:51:05.107
  • I've chased wild horses all over the world.
  • 00:51:05.107 --> 00:51:07.876
  • They're definitely a soulful creature
  • 00:51:07.876 --> 00:51:09.945
  • That comes from god and did save my life.
  • 00:51:09.945 --> 00:51:13.215
  • - [narrator] the rodeo cowboy
  • 00:51:13.215 --> 00:51:14.850
  • And professional bareback competitor left home in australia
  • 00:51:14.850 --> 00:51:17.619
  • At 12 years old,
  • 00:51:17.619 --> 00:51:19.121
  • Surviving a difficult family life.
  • 00:51:19.121 --> 00:51:21.690
  • - i had a pretty traumatic childhood.
  • 00:51:21.690 --> 00:51:23.458
  • My parents had me doped up pretty bad
  • 00:51:23.458 --> 00:51:25.427
  • On several different types of drugs.
  • 00:51:25.427 --> 00:51:27.296
  • I knew that i was troubled and confused
  • 00:51:27.296 --> 00:51:28.964
  • And i would've ended up in organized crime
  • 00:51:28.964 --> 00:51:31.333
  • Or in jail or dead if i had stayed there in that situation.
  • 00:51:31.333 --> 00:51:34.836
  • Probably better off for me to stay away,
  • 00:51:34.836 --> 00:51:37.206
  • And being with the horses and the cows and the sheep,
  • 00:51:37.206 --> 00:51:39.508
  • I knew that that's what gave me a sense of belonging.
  • 00:51:39.508 --> 00:51:42.711
  • - [narrator] that belonging came at a ranch,
  • 00:51:42.711 --> 00:51:44.613
  • A cattle station near the boarding school where he was sent.
  • 00:51:44.613 --> 00:51:47.749
  • Young anthony found stability,
  • 00:51:47.749 --> 00:51:49.618
  • Identifying with the unbroken horses.
  • 00:51:49.618 --> 00:51:52.120
  • - i think the immediate connection that i had
  • 00:51:52.120 --> 00:51:53.822
  • With those wild horses that god placed me in front of,
  • 00:51:53.822 --> 00:51:56.825
  • Like me, they were confused
  • 00:51:56.825 --> 00:51:59.161
  • And they had used their defense mechanisms
  • 00:51:59.161 --> 00:52:01.430
  • To protect themselves
  • 00:52:01.430 --> 00:52:02.864
  • And i could definitely relate to 'em in every way
  • 00:52:02.864 --> 00:52:05.200
  • Just because of the similarities
  • 00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:07.035
  • In the way that we thought
  • 00:52:07.035 --> 00:52:08.337
  • And the circumstances that were brought to us.
  • 00:52:08.337 --> 00:52:11.006
  • - [narrator] working long hours, seven days a week,
  • 00:52:11.006 --> 00:52:13.375
  • Anthony learned the art of breaking horses.
  • 00:52:13.375 --> 00:52:16.311
  • - establishing full trust between man versus beast,
  • 00:52:16.311 --> 00:52:20.115
  • The horse has gotta be in the mindset
  • 00:52:20.115 --> 00:52:22.184
  • That he trusts you enough to want to do that for you.
  • 00:52:22.184 --> 00:52:25.487
  • You can make these big creatures do things,
  • 00:52:25.487 --> 00:52:27.389
  • But they're only gonna give you
  • 00:52:27.389 --> 00:52:28.857
  • Probably 70% of what they can do,
  • 00:52:28.857 --> 00:52:31.026
  • And when you can gain that full trust
  • 00:52:31.026 --> 00:52:33.095
  • And have a full sense of understanding with the horse,
  • 00:52:33.095 --> 00:52:35.464
  • Then you'll get close to 100% out of your horse every time.
  • 00:52:35.464 --> 00:52:38.467
  • - [narrator] the connection to horses provided
  • 00:52:38.467 --> 00:52:40.335
  • Anthony opportunities on them.
  • 00:52:40.335 --> 00:52:42.904
  • His learned instincts and neglected upbringing
  • 00:52:42.904 --> 00:52:45.407
  • Prepared him as a bareback rider.
  • 00:52:45.407 --> 00:52:47.709
  • - they say bareback riding is taking control
  • 00:52:47.709 --> 00:52:50.012
  • Of a completely uncontrollable situation.
  • 00:52:50.012 --> 00:52:52.814
  • You know, the horse bucks, jumps in the air,
  • 00:52:52.814 --> 00:52:55.050
  • Is wild, changes directions,
  • 00:52:55.050 --> 00:52:56.652
  • And we just have to react and respond,
  • 00:52:56.652 --> 00:52:58.954
  • And i think god prepared me to be
  • 00:52:58.954 --> 00:53:00.922
  • A professional bareback rider
  • 00:53:00.922 --> 00:53:02.190
  • Because i need to trust the lord
  • 00:53:02.190 --> 00:53:04.126
  • And the holy spirit's plan 100%,
  • 00:53:04.126 --> 00:53:06.028
  • Surrendering to the lord,
  • 00:53:06.028 --> 00:53:07.362
  • That it's not up to me what happens.
  • 00:53:07.362 --> 00:53:09.364
  • - [narrator] as a teen, anthony look forward
  • 00:53:09.364 --> 00:53:11.166
  • To the occasional weekend rodeos in the australian outback.
  • 00:53:11.166 --> 00:53:14.703
  • - all the crews and all of the keen young cattle hands,
  • 00:53:14.703 --> 00:53:17.339
  • We call 'em ringers,
  • 00:53:17.339 --> 00:53:18.640
  • Would enter the rodeos and use their skills
  • 00:53:18.640 --> 00:53:21.109
  • That they would use at their job every day,
  • 00:53:21.109 --> 00:53:22.678
  • Like riding bucking horses and catching bulls,
  • 00:53:22.678 --> 00:53:24.713
  • And showcase their talents,
  • 00:53:24.713 --> 00:53:26.181
  • And i would go to those local rodeos.
  • 00:53:26.181 --> 00:53:27.649
  • I ended up doing really well
  • 00:53:27.649 --> 00:53:29.151
  • In all the events that i entered
  • 00:53:29.151 --> 00:53:30.552
  • And got, caught the rodeo bug.
  • 00:53:30.552 --> 00:53:32.521
  • - [narrator] in 2011, anthony won
  • 00:53:32.521 --> 00:53:34.589
  • The australian bareback title.
  • 00:53:34.589 --> 00:53:36.358
  • The following year, he moved to canada,
  • 00:53:36.358 --> 00:53:38.560
  • Aiming for a north american title.
  • 00:53:38.560 --> 00:53:40.896
  • - the horses are so much bigger and stronger
  • 00:53:40.896 --> 00:53:44.232
  • And more athletic.
  • 00:53:44.232 --> 00:53:45.534
  • The bucking horses in canada and in the us is
  • 00:53:45.534 --> 00:53:48.103
  • Second to none.
  • 00:53:48.103 --> 00:53:49.504
  • You know, the bright lights and the big stadiums
  • 00:53:49.504 --> 00:53:51.707
  • And the huge crowds,
  • 00:53:51.707 --> 00:53:53.942
  • Everything was just so much different
  • 00:53:53.942 --> 00:53:55.410
  • And obviously it pushed you to be
  • 00:53:55.410 --> 00:53:57.879
  • Far more of a professional athlete.
  • 00:53:57.879 --> 00:54:00.415
  • - [narrator] injuries and surgeries mounted.
  • 00:54:00.415 --> 00:54:02.150
  • So did distractions that came with the touring territory.
  • 00:54:02.150 --> 00:54:05.821
  • - you're in a different city, in a different town
  • 00:54:05.821 --> 00:54:07.856
  • And there's always a bar.
  • 00:54:07.856 --> 00:54:09.024
  • There's always womanizing and partying
  • 00:54:09.024 --> 00:54:10.959
  • And making bad decisions
  • 00:54:10.959 --> 00:54:12.227
  • And for probably a good 10 years of my life,
  • 00:54:12.227 --> 00:54:14.529
  • I was as guilty as any man on earth,
  • 00:54:14.529 --> 00:54:17.566
  • Fighting and drinking and just all of the debauchery
  • 00:54:17.566 --> 00:54:20.702
  • That comes with being in a party scene all the time.
  • 00:54:20.702 --> 00:54:23.739
  • And i remember being down in the dumps,
  • 00:54:23.739 --> 00:54:26.775
  • At the lowest of lows.
  • 00:54:26.775 --> 00:54:28.243
  • - [narrator] in 2018,
  • 00:54:28.243 --> 00:54:29.644
  • Anthony worked his way up among the world's best
  • 00:54:29.644 --> 00:54:32.247
  • 15 bareback riders,
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  • But his life felt meaningless.
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  • On a second date, at the request of his now wife, amanda,
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  • They visited a church service at hope city in houston.
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  • - the presence of the holy spirit
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  • Just almost knocked me off my feet.
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  • I started crying.
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  • I didn't know where it comes from
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  • And god was just speaking to me.
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  • It was an undeniable sense of conviction,
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  • Hope and renewal,
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  • Transformation of my life to become
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  • An actual kingdom man,
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  • Realizing how much of a relationship that i have
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  • With jesus, that i can talk to him as a friend,
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  • That he's always gonna be there for me,
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  • He's always gonna provide for me.
  • 00:55:07.048 --> 00:55:09.084
  • - [narrator] while the pandemic shut down rodeos,
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  • Anthony opened a farm-to-table natural beef business.
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  • The pasture also brought him a new perspective
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  • With empathetic strength.
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  • - 2020 really opened my eyes to some underlying racism.
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  • I think that empathy is so important.
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  • The western industry is a predominantly white culture.
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  • It's not judgemental to anybody,
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  • It's just the way it is.
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  • Even though i am a different color
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  • To everybody else in the bareback riding sport,
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  • You would hope that the judges in the sport have
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  • Everybody in their best interest,
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  • But it's not something that i can allow myself
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  • To think about,
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  • And i do believe that god's put me in rodeo,
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  • Showing that people of all different colors can get along
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  • And be brothers and sisters and be family.
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  • - [narrator] the rodeo bareback cowboy,
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  • Ranched in humble, texas,
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  • Embraces his storied journey with humility.
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  • - be loyal to him and show him all the glory
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  • For everything he's done for me.
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  • God has placed me in every situation,
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  • And i can't even explain how that happened.
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  • God is true and god is real
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  • And he's a real savior and he's saved my life
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  • And he's provided for me in every situation.
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  • Every one of us has a platform right where they are
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  • And teach them about the love of jesus no matter what,
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  • That there's a god that's always there for you,
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  • That has more for you than you could ever imagine.
  • 00:56:23.825 --> 00:56:28.797
  • - what a message anthony brings us,
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  • What a life he has lived.
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  • That's a amazing testimony.
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  • Well, we have a minute here for some email,
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  • So let's hear from patricia, gordon.
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  • She says, hi, gordon.
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  • When i was 13 or 14, i was saved and baptized.
  • 00:56:41.042 --> 00:56:43.578
  • Throughout my adulthood, i backslid.
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  • I'm 60 now and have come to know the lord again.
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  • Do i need to get saved and baptized again?
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  • Please help because it really troubles my heart.
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  • - you can, patricia, if you want to get baptized again,
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  • Please do.
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  • If married couples can reaffirm their vows
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  • And go through the ceremony again
  • 00:57:00.629 --> 00:57:02.464
  • Because they want to show the world we love each other,
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  • We're committed to each other,
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  • You can go through baptism again and say,
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  • I want to show the whole world
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  • That i am dead to my sins and my trespasses.
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  • I'm raised again into newness of life with jesus christ,
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  • And it doesn't matter what age you are.
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  • I know some denominations disagree over this,
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  • But you know, getting rebaptized
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  • In my view is a wonderful thing,
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  • And if it will make you feel better, then absolutely do it.
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  • Do it as soon as you can.
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  • We leave you today with these words from psalm 91,
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  • For he shall give his angels charge over you
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  • To keep you in all of your ways.
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  • For terry, for me, for all of us here, god bless you.
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  • We'll see you again.
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  • (uplifting music)
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