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Allen Jackson - Does The Church Belong In Politics? (Part 1)

May 16, 2026 | 27:29

Allen Jackson - Does The Church Belong In Politics? (Part 1)
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Allen Jackson Ministries | Allen Jackson - Does The Church Belong In Politics? (Part 1) | May 16, 2026
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  • Allen jackson: you know, around the world,
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  • Allen: well, i'm delighted to welcome back to world outreach
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  • Some friends of our congregation, and some people,
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  • And an organization for whom i am very, very grateful.
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  • David barton and his wife, cheryl, and tim and his family
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  • Are with us this weekend, and they are--they lead
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  • Wallbuilders, which do an amazing job of reminding us of
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  • Our heritage.
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  • But they do far more than that, so i've asked david and tim to
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  • Join me this morning for a conversation, because i wanted
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  • You to have some exposure to the things that they're doing beyond
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  • Just reminding all of us that we didn't pay attention in
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  • History class.
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  • And so, help me welcome david and tim barton back to our
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  • Stage, huh?
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  • [congregation applauding]
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  • Welcome, gentlemen.
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  • It's always good to have you here.
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  • They're two of my friends that make me look like a slow
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  • Southern speaker.
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  • So, if i could ever learn to speak with the speed that they
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  • Do, think how long our sermon outlines would be.
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  • It would be like 11 pages.
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  • Thank you for taking some time.
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  • We--you remind us consistently that we're not as well-versed in
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  • Our history as we might be, but wallbuilders, and your whole
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  • Organization, are engaged in some things far beyond just
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  • Reminding churches of that.
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  • And i wanted to give a little broader exposure to that,
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  • Because i think it's so important.
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  • I had the privilege--kathy and i had the privilege a few months
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  • Ago of being a part of your legislatures conference, which
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  • You do on an annual basis, with legislators from across
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  • The states.
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  • In helping them think about issues that are in their state
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  • With biblical worldview issues.
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  • I don't know which one of you want to respond to that.
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  • Can you tell us a little bit about that initiative and what
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  • It involves, and the kind of fruit you've seen from it?
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  • Tim barton: yes, sir.
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  • So one of the things, broad picture, in case anybody doesn't
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  • Know, is we do primarily stuff with american history.
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  • Working with our original historic collection, our goal is
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  • To try to help people understand from faith and have historic
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  • Examples of how faith applies in lots of areas of life.
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  • We focus on the church, on education, and on the
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  • Governmental arena.
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  • And so this is just one of our governmental arena outreaches.
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  • We work with about 1000 state legislatures across the nation.
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  • There's about 7800.
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  • So there's a significant percentage that we actually
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  • Engage with, we help with model legislation, among other things,
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  • But ultimately, trying to go back and say, if it's not
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  • Biblical, if it's not constitutional, if it's not
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  • Protecting inalienable rights, we shouldn't support it, and we
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  • Need to do things that are more directed in those regards.
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  • We bring in policy experts from all over the nation on whatever
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  • The topic is, or in many cases, spiritual leaders as well.
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  • For those that have never attended the conference before,
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  • We, from the morning through the afternoon, have a bunch of
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  • Policy wonks, but all christian worldview related people, that
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  • Will come in and say, okay, so this is what's going on with,
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  • Whether it be like an esg, whether it be something with,
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  • There's bills now where we are having to clarify that ai does
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  • Not have human right privileges.
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  • But we're literally like, "hey, that's a real thing."
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  • We have to address this, and not to digress on that, because not
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  • Only should ai not have human rights privileges, but the
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  • Unborn should, so we kind of cover all of those bases.
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  • [congregation applauding]
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  • But then every evening, one of the things we recognize is, we
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  • Don't want to just give them good ammunition to go back as
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  • They're trying to navigate policy and legislation, every
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  • Evening we will have a spiritual emphasis.
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  • And so we want to feed not just their mind, we want to feed
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  • Their heart and soul as well.
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  • And so pastor jackson came, and he was able to do one of the
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  • Evenings for us, where we have a spiritual emphasis, phenomenal.
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  • But we do work all over the nation.
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  • In fact, i think it was just this week that tennessee
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  • Approved out of the house that they're gonna allow the ten
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  • Commandments to be posted in public schools in tennessee.
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  • [congregation applauding]
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  • Which, by way of background, and i appreciate the fact that
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  • Everybody in the room pretty much applauded, you should have,
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  • That's very important.
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  • One of the things we have largely forgotten, the founding
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  • Fathers said that america only works with a religious and
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  • Moral foundation.
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  • And it used to be not debatable.
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  • The moral foundation was what we learned from the bible, and
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  • Ultimately, even like the legal foundation of our nation derived
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  • From the ten commandments, as much as, if not more than,
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  • Virtually anything else you can identify.
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  • So, this is part of the founding of our nation.
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  • If you go back to the early colonies, every single one of
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  • The early colonies, they included the ten commandments as
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  • Part of the legal code, for every single one of the
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  • Early colonies.
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  • And here's what's also interesting, is, there was never
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  • A colony that had more than 15 reasons that somebody could be
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  • Put to death.
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  • But in every one of the colonies, some of the reasons
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  • You could be put to death was for violating the ten
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  • Commandments, and they actually would list--when they would
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  • Write the law that, "thou shalt not murder," they would
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  • Literally put the verse, like exodus, beside it.
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  • Identifying that they're taking that specifically from
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  • The bible.
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  • Again, the reason i say this is, we now have a world and a
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  • Culture that's growing up where our kids are being told that
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  • There's no objective truth.
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  • Truth is subjective.
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  • It's how you feel, it's what you think.
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  • This is my truth, this is your truth, and we're not having
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  • A moral standard for them to hold to.
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  • In fact, i would challenge when people are like, "well, we can't
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  • Have the ten commandments, you can't have religion in school."
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  • Okay, well let me just ask a really simple follow-up
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  • Basic question.
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  • How do we determine right and wrong?
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  • Like, this is a simple question, because there's only a couple
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  • Of options.
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  • It's either subjective, it's collective, or it's objective.
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  • Subjective means we decide for ourselves.
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  • Well, that's never gonna be good, because if you watched the
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  • News last night, there was somebody that decided for
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  • Themselves it was okay to take a gun, and go to the white house
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  • Correspondents' dinner and open fire.
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  • Well, that's subjective morality.
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  • That's never gonna work, because people are always gonna make bad
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  • Decisions, so you have to have a different standard.
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  • Well, there's collective, we could just all vote on it, but
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  • For the majority of the world, the majority of the world, up
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  • Until like 100 years ago, thought that slavery
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  • Was acceptable.
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  • The majority of the world, there was never a nation that didn't
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  • Have slavery.
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  • So if we said, we'll just collectively, we can point out
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  • That consistently, collective groups choose things that
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  • Are immoral.
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  • Well, if it can't be subjective, it's not collective, the only
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  • Other option is, there has to be an objective standard we
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  • Point to.
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  • Well, you could then argue, well, there's more than one
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  • Objective standard, because like the jews have the torah, the
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  • Christians have the bible, the, the muslims have the quran, and
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  • People might argue there's different objective standards,
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  • And then what i would say is, "okay, to make it easy," if
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  • We're gonna say we need a--the best, the highest moral
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  • Objective standard, instead of analyzing all the textual
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  • Documents, i would say, "let's just compare the heroes of
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  • Those religions."
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  • And this shouldn't be all that complicated.
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  • Because, by the way, fair, if you go back to the torah, those
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  • Are some of our biblical heroes.
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  • However, we can point out, abraham had some major flaws,
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  • Moses, major flaws, david, major flaws.
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  • You go to islam, and they have muhammad, who believed that you
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  • Should kill your enemies, you should enslave them, you can
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  • Have multiple brides and child brides, like, go down the list.
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  • And then you have jesus, who said you should treat other
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  • People the way you want to be treated, love your neighbors as
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  • Yourself, and the reason i point this out is, for people that
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  • Say, "no, we shouldn't have christianity," or "we shouldn't
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  • Have the bible," "we shouldn't have ten commandments in
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  • Public school."
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  • Okay, so what other options are there?
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  • Because you're always going to have a standard of morality, and
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  • If we're saying jesus is the highest standard of morality
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  • Ever given, even if you don't believe he's savior, you should,
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  • But even if you're like, "i'm not sure, but he's a great moral
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  • Teacher," his moral teachings would help you live a better and
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  • More free life.
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  • Now again, ultimately, he didn't come to be a good moral teacher,
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  • He came to be a savior, so don't miss the big picture on that.
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  • But again, the reason i'm saying this is, there's christians that
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  • Are like, "we can't have the ten commandments."
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  • There is going to be a moral standard, and if we're saying we
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  • Can't use the bible, then all that is left is a lower degree
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  • Moral standard.
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  • So we will be teaching our kids lesser value morals that are
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  • Going to equate to them having worse behavior, and as we see
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  • All kinds of horrific things, where, i don't want to be
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  • Graphic, but where people are taking firearms and going in
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  • Places and shooting, and like, that's become far too
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  • Normal, why?
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  • Because we've removed an objective standard of morality
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  • That says, "thou shalt not murder."
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  • This shouldn't be that--by the way, when kids can go to jail
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  • For violating the ten commandments, but we've told
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  • Them they can't see the ten commandments.
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  • You can go to jail for stealing.
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  • You can go to jail for killing.
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  • I mean, literally, and we're saying, "but they can't see it,"
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  • And i'm saying all of this because i want to get in front
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  • Of the feeling, for anybody who's in the room or watching
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  • Online, and you're like, "but i don't think we should really
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  • Have the ten commandments there."
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  • Then what else are we going to show them to give them
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  • A moral standard?
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  • Because this is the best moral standard for the history of the
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  • World there has ever been, [congregation applauding]
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  • And there was a reason it was
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  • Part of every single colony's laws.
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  • There was a reason the founding fathers advocated, above all,
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  • The sermon on the mount and the ten commandments, they thought
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  • Were the two most moral and significant teachings that every
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  • Student should learn and memorize.
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  • Okay, again, the reason this matters, and part of why we
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  • Celebrate, back to our legislatures conference, we
  • 00:11:19.228 --> 00:11:21.964
  • Introduced something to our legislatures several years ago,
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  • Saying, "hey, guys, there's a unique opportunity because, you
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  • Remember the coach kennedy decision, the football coach who
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  • Was fired for kneeling?
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  • He won a supreme court case in 2022.
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  • The supreme court, in giving him the victory, they overturned
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  • What was known as the lemon decision.
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  • The lemon decision is essentially what removed all
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  • Religious activity and expression from the public arena
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  • And public school.
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  • Well, the supreme court said, "well, that was always
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  • Bad policy.
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  • That was never constitutionally correct.
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  • We are vacating it, we're overturning it."
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  • When the ten commandments were taken out of school in 1980, the
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  • Thing that the supreme court cited was the lemon decision.
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  • They said, "well, the lemon test says we have to take it out."
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  • Lemon test was overturned, which means the only thing that said
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  • We couldn't have it is now removed.
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  • Let me point out, the ten commandments were part of
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  • Education from the pilgrims until 1980.
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  • This isn't a brand new idea.
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  • This is restoring what was the foundation in education that
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  • Made america the most free, stable, prosperous, and
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  • Benevolent nation in the history of the world.
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  • And by the way, tennessee just passed that out of the house
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  • This week. [congregation applauding]
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  • Allen: that's one thing that we say, "yes."
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  • David barton: i'll add to it that 27 states have now
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  • Introduced laws to restore the ten commandments in
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  • Their states.
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  • Five have so far passed laws.
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  • We've been in a bunch of states testifying for that, because
  • 00:12:50.286 --> 00:12:53.289
  • Part of what we can help provide is the historical and legal
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  • Background for the restoration of these things.
  • 00:12:57.393 --> 00:13:00.129
  • So there's a lot of good going on.
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  • We had states this year pass a law that put prayer back in
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  • Schools, they put bible back in schools, they put bible back
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  • In curriculum.
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  • We've had so much turnaround in the last two to three years.
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  • And so, in any given legislative session with--and the founding
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  • Fathers did a brilliant job in the constitution, and making
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  • Sure that they separated the federal government from the
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  • State government, so state get control of a lot of stuff.
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  • We're gonna talk later about elections, the time, place, and
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  • Manner of elections, by the constitution, belongs to
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  • Each state.
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  • So every state has a different way of doing elections.
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  • But if you go back and look at all that in any given year among
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  • All of our 50 state legislatures, there will be
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  • 150,000 bills introduced.
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  • So we'll monitor those bills and see what the trends are.
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  • We'll try to provide the experts for the legislatures on whatever
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  • That trend happens to be, whether it's religious and moral
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  • Trends, or economic, or whether it happens to be something with
  • 00:13:48.310 --> 00:13:51.413
  • Esg or ucc, or various codes.
  • 00:13:51.413 --> 00:13:54.316
  • And so that's a service we try to provide for christian
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  • Legislators, as well as get them biblical instruction during the
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  • Conference, through great christian leaders like
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  • Pastor jackson.
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  • Allen: hey, "lessons from paul" is a 90-devotional.
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  • Some of my favorite verses that paul wrote, bit of devotional
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  • Time, and then some place to journal.
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  • The goal is to be changed.
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  • We want to be transformed by the word of god and not just
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  • Informed by it.
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  • Saul of tarsus, a hero of mine-- i got to know him as the apostle
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  • Paul--an unrelenting advocate for jesus in the face of
  • 00:14:27.917 --> 00:14:31.453
  • Unyielding persecution.
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  • Folks, that sounds like the world we live in.
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  • "lessons from paul" will help you and i be overcomers,
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  • Allen: well, the part that was so fascinating to me was the
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  • Help that wallbuilders provided, and that's a community of
  • 00:16:15.257 --> 00:16:18.327
  • People, because they come year after year.
  • 00:16:18.327 --> 00:16:20.462
  • And i watched them work on language, and share their common
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  • Experience so that the laws they were putting in place could
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  • Withstand the challenges, 'cause inevitably, the aclu or the
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  • Southern poverty law center, such an august body of
  • 00:16:30.539 --> 00:16:34.843
  • Integrity, will often challenge them in court.
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  • And you were providing some--just a wonderful
  • 00:16:39.882 --> 00:16:42.985
  • Environment for those things to be overcome.
  • 00:16:42.985 --> 00:16:45.554
  • You know, we have bowed at the wrong altar, and i hear this
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  • From local leadership and other places, on a consistent basis,
  • 00:16:48.757 --> 00:16:51.760
  • That if we do the right thing, we'll be sued.
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  • As if that provides you an excuse to not do the
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  • Right thing.
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  • I want to ask every man in the room a question, real question:
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  • If you knew today you would be sued if you were faithful to
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  • Your wife, does that give you a legitimate reason to go
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  • Be unfaithful?
  • 00:17:12.214 --> 00:17:14.083
  • To avoid the lawsuit?
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  • You're going to do the right thing, even if there's a threat
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  • Of a consequence?
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  • I want to answer that question out loud.
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  • The answer would be, "yes, i'm gonna be faithful to my wife,
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  • Even if there's a consequence."
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  • Why would we do the wrong thing because we're afraid of the
  • 00:17:28.163 --> 00:17:30.966
  • Conse--that makes no sense for the christ follower, amen.
  • 00:17:30.966 --> 00:17:37.206
  • So they're doing an amazing thing in creating this
  • 00:17:37.206 --> 00:17:40.476
  • Environment, and the dialogue, and the resources to help state
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  • Legislators work through the language, to know what's worked
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  • In one state or where the loopholes were, and how they had
  • 00:17:46.448 --> 00:17:48.851
  • To--how they--it was amazing to me to sit and watch.
  • 00:17:48.851 --> 00:17:51.186
  • I came away so much.
  • 00:17:51.186 --> 00:17:52.588
  • Tim barton: so, and significant too, one of the things
  • 00:17:52.588 --> 00:17:55.157
  • That--there's an adage that culture is downstream of
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  • Politics, but sometimes people think, "well, no, it's the
  • 00:18:00.195 --> 00:18:03.198
  • Church," and i would say, here's--there's two interesting
  • 00:18:03.198 --> 00:18:05.434
  • Things about this.
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  • When you look at culture, culture is a reflection of
  • 00:18:06.802 --> 00:18:08.871
  • Two things.
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  • It is a reflection of the church, and it's a reflection
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  • Of politics.
  • 00:18:13.108 --> 00:18:15.210
  • And a lot of times people think, "well, it's--the church is what
  • 00:18:15.210 --> 00:18:18.647
  • Determines culture, that determines politics," but
  • 00:18:18.647 --> 00:18:20.682
  • I would point out, politics actually determines culture,
  • 00:18:20.682 --> 00:18:24.386
  • Especially in our modern era, at times, more than the
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  • Church does.
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  • Now, that's actually an indictment on the church
  • 00:18:28.524 --> 00:18:29.892
  • In america.
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  • However, i do want to point out, when roe v. wade
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  • Became the law of the land, which is already silly, because
  • 00:18:34.396 --> 00:18:38.934
  • Law doesn't come from the u.s. supreme court,
  • 00:18:38.934 --> 00:18:40.636
  • It comes from congress, they're the ones that pass law.
  • 00:18:40.636 --> 00:18:44.072
  • So, when the supreme court had the 1973 roe versus wade
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  • Decision, and they said, "we just found a new
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  • Constitutional right to abortion, miraculously, the
  • 00:18:49.144 --> 00:18:52.814
  • Words aren't there, but we found it in the constitution."
  • 00:18:52.814 --> 00:18:56.385
  • They said, "this is now the law of the land."
  • 00:18:56.385 --> 00:18:57.753
  • Again, they don't pass law, but here's what's--the reason i'm
  • 00:18:57.753 --> 00:19:00.022
  • Bringing this up, what i want to point out.
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  • Prior to 1973, how many americans supported abortion?
  • 00:19:02.090 --> 00:19:10.632
  • Publicly, outwardly, supported abortion?
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  • And what you will find is it was in the single digits.
  • 00:19:13.802 --> 00:19:19.341
  • Then abortion becomes the "law of the land."
  • 00:19:19.341 --> 00:19:22.444
  • Because it's the "law of the land," it becomes normalized.
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  • And now, not only do you have the majority of americans,
  • 00:19:26.315 --> 00:19:31.954
  • Here's the staggering part, you have the majority of christians
  • 00:19:31.954 --> 00:19:35.958
  • That think we should not end all of abortion.
  • 00:19:35.958 --> 00:19:40.495
  • For whatever reason, and here's why i'm saying this: because the
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  • Reason that we got involved on the legislative front in a lot
  • 00:19:44.700 --> 00:19:47.769
  • Of ways, actually is because of our faith, because we recognize,
  • 00:19:47.769 --> 00:19:51.573
  • If we don't start upholding legally some of these basic
  • 00:19:51.573 --> 00:19:55.911
  • Traditional values, then this will change our culture for so
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  • Much the worse and make it more of a challenge for us as
  • 00:20:00.415 --> 00:20:03.885
  • Believers, and if that's confusing to anybody, look at
  • 00:20:03.885 --> 00:20:06.655
  • Europe right now.
  • 00:20:06.655 --> 00:20:09.658
  • When you're a christian right now over in europe, and
  • 00:20:09.658 --> 00:20:12.527
  • Literally, whether it's in canada or the uk, and well, you
  • 00:20:12.527 --> 00:20:14.963
  • Can't teach certain bible verses anymore, you can't read them out
  • 00:20:14.963 --> 00:20:17.399
  • Loud anymore.
  • 00:20:17.399 --> 00:20:18.767
  • You can go to jail for hate speech, for reading the bible
  • 00:20:18.767 --> 00:20:21.703
  • Out loud.
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  • America, if we are not careful, can go down that same slippery
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  • Path, and i'm saying this because if the church thinks,
  • 00:20:28.076 --> 00:20:31.280
  • "well, we don't need to get involved in politics," politics
  • 00:20:31.280 --> 00:20:34.483
  • Are actually directing this ship.
  • 00:20:34.483 --> 00:20:36.752
  • They're the bigger rudder on the ship right now.
  • 00:20:36.752 --> 00:20:38.820
  • And again, largely that's an indictment on the church,
  • 00:20:38.820 --> 00:20:41.456
  • Because the church has not been being the salt like we should be
  • 00:20:41.456 --> 00:20:44.426
  • The salt.
  • 00:20:44.426 --> 00:20:45.794
  • But part of how we can be the salt is to get involved in that
  • 00:20:45.794 --> 00:20:48.864
  • Political arena, and if we do, we actually can do things that
  • 00:20:48.864 --> 00:20:52.200
  • Uphold biblical traditional values.
  • 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.202
  • That uphold inalienable rights.
  • 00:20:54.202 --> 00:20:55.904
  • That uphold the constitutional principles, and that's exactly
  • 00:20:55.904 --> 00:20:59.608
  • What the founding fathers did.
  • 00:20:59.608 --> 00:21:01.143
  • They weren't people that checked their faith at the door.
  • 00:21:01.143 --> 00:21:03.578
  • They were people, when the declaration says, "we hold these
  • 00:21:03.578 --> 00:21:06.848
  • Truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
  • 00:21:06.848 --> 00:21:09.751
  • Endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and
  • 00:21:09.751 --> 00:21:12.287
  • That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among
  • 00:21:12.287 --> 00:21:13.822
  • Men," when they said those are self-evident truths, where did
  • 00:21:13.822 --> 00:21:17.559
  • They discover those self-evident truths?
  • 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:20.095
  • And here's the interesting thing.
  • 00:21:20.095 --> 00:21:21.430
  • So this is--if you have come to the pop-up museum, you've
  • 00:21:21.430 --> 00:21:26.802
  • Seen these.
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  • This is the first printing of the original draft of
  • 00:21:28.136 --> 00:21:30.972
  • The declaration.
  • 00:21:30.972 --> 00:21:32.741
  • And this came out in 1829.
  • 00:21:32.741 --> 00:21:35.344
  • It was thomas jefferson's grandson that found the original
  • 00:21:35.344 --> 00:21:39.247
  • One, and was like, "this is amazing, people wanna see this,
  • 00:21:39.247 --> 00:21:41.383
  • Let's make some copies."
  • 00:21:41.383 --> 00:21:42.751
  • So they made copies.
  • 00:21:42.751 --> 00:21:44.086
  • This is from the first printing, the first copy that was made
  • 00:21:44.086 --> 00:21:47.923
  • From the original draft.
  • 00:21:47.923 --> 00:21:49.391
  • But here's the reason i wanna bring this up.
  • 00:21:49.391 --> 00:21:51.093
  • There was a historian named alice baldwin.
  • 00:21:51.093 --> 00:21:53.729
  • She wrote a book called "the new england clergy and the american
  • 00:21:53.729 --> 00:21:55.931
  • Revolution," and if you look through this, it's four pages.
  • 00:21:55.931 --> 00:21:59.801
  • In her book, she talks about the influence of the pastors in
  • 00:21:59.801 --> 00:22:02.704
  • Early america, but the amazing part is she points out the
  • 00:22:02.704 --> 00:22:07.476
  • Founding fathers didn't come up with a single unique idea.
  • 00:22:07.476 --> 00:22:12.781
  • She said instead, they repeated all of the things they've been
  • 00:22:12.781 --> 00:22:16.451
  • Learning from their pastor for the decades leading up to
  • 00:22:16.451 --> 00:22:19.054
  • That moment.
  • 00:22:19.054 --> 00:22:20.422
  • And, one of her quotes, she says, "there is not a right
  • 00:22:20.422 --> 00:22:23.225
  • Asserted in the declaration, which had not been preached from
  • 00:22:23.225 --> 00:22:26.695
  • The american clergy prior to 1763."
  • 00:22:26.695 --> 00:22:30.766
  • And in her book, she goes through and she lists the
  • 00:22:30.766 --> 00:22:32.934
  • Pastors and the sermons that delivered all of those rights.
  • 00:22:32.934 --> 00:22:36.605
  • Again, the reason i'm saying this is because part of the
  • 00:22:36.605 --> 00:22:39.307
  • Reality of the notion of the founding of our nation, it
  • 00:22:39.307 --> 00:22:42.878
  • Really does go back to the fact that the church was far more
  • 00:22:42.878 --> 00:22:46.815
  • Active in the formation of the ideas, politically speaking, we
  • 00:22:46.815 --> 00:22:52.220
  • Didn't think our faith stays inside the church, and not
  • 00:22:52.220 --> 00:22:55.657
  • Related to government.
  • 00:22:55.657 --> 00:22:56.992
  • And let me give you a little food for thought, and pastor
  • 00:22:56.992 --> 00:22:58.794
  • Jackson, if you have a different idea, by all means, correct,
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  • Redirect, if i say something and you're like, "well, tim, i see
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  • It this way."
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  • But what i would point out is, if we read the bible, it's very
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  • Clear god has three institutions.
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  • God has the family, god has the church, and god
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  • Created government.
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  • And i don't know of any christian who would debate the
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  • Fact that god gave guidance on how the family is supposed to
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  • Operate, and as christians, we should follow the guidance that
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  • God gave, right?
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  • And whether that's for husband and wife, whether that's for
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  • Raising kids, whether it's for kids submitting and obeying
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  • Their parents and the lord, for this is right, the bible gives
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  • Guidance clearly on the family.
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  • The bible gives guidance on the church.
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  • It's to equip the saints for the work of the ministry, and we can
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  • Go through all the details of what the bible says on
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  • The church.
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  • Here's what's interesting.
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  • The bible says far more about government and government
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  • Leaders, and in dealing and addressing government and
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  • Government leaders, than it does the family or the church.
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  • And yet, for somehow, for some reason, we spend more time on
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  • What the bible says less about than acknowledging, you know
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  • What, the bible has an awful lot to say about politics
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  • And government.
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  • And as christians, we're not supposed to only care about two
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  • Of the three institutions god made.
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  • We actually need to recognize, the bible speaks more to
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  • Government, and therefore, we should be interested and care
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  • About government in the midst of what we do.
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  • And that's literally what early pastors did, going back to the
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  • Fact that every single grievance or every single right in the
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  • Declaration had been preached from pastors prior to 1763.
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  • It again is an indictment on the church, but it's--i wanna be an
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  • Encouragement of why, as a christian, we shouldn't be even
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  • Reading our bible and thinking, "well, as a christian,
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  • I shouldn't get involved politically."
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  • No, actually, if you read your bible, you should go, "man, how
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  • Many times do these prophets go to these kings?"
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  • How many times are they talking about, you should do this, you
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  • Shouldn't do this, god will bless, god will curse.
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  • That's almost all, dealing with government leaders and
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  • Government officials, it's the majority of the bible, and we
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  • Can't read it disconnected from our reality that we live in
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  • A world with political leaders, and the word of god speaks to
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  • Every issue we deal with, not just with family and church, but
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  • Also with politics.
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  • David barton: let me add a challenge to that, because we're
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  • Coming up on the 250th anniversary celebration of that
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  • Document right there that tim held, and it probably takes you,
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  • If you haven't read the document, read it.
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  • It's probably 15 minutes to read.
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  • And you'll find 27 grievances in that declaration.
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  • Here's 27 reasons we're separating from great britain
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  • Because britain has done 1, 2, 27, and remember that every one
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  • Of those grievances had been preached from the american
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  • Pulpit prior to 1763.
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  • So read the grievances as if they're sermon topics and see
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  • What bible verses you can put to each of those 27 grievances
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  • Because pastors did that.
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  • That's what they did in the founding era.
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  • See if you can put bible verses to the same things that they put
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  • Bible verses to back then.
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  • And that tells us a lot about where we are with our biblical
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  • Knowledge, what we even know of what the bible says about
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  • Government, because that declaration is a--it really is
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  • A listing of sermon topics.
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  • That's what we're celebrating on the 250th.
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  • Allen: you know, i don't believe the primary objective in reading
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  • Our bible or even the pursuit of our faith is informational.
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  • I like to learn, but i believe the ultimate objective
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  • Is transformation.
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  • We've got a tool, i think it'll help, it's called "lessons
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  • From paul."
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  • The apostle paul is one of my heroes.
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  • In the face of unyielding persecution and opposition, some
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  • Tremendous physical suffering, just awful things, multiple
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  • Assassination attempts, he remains unflinching in his
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  • Advocacy for jesus of nazareth.
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  • He knows the power of god.
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  • It says god did extraordinary miracles through paul.
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  • Well, i wanna learn those lessons.
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  • I wanna be transformed by them, so i can stand in this season
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  • For the purposes of god in my life.
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  • So, we put together this devotional, it's 90 days, some
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  • Portions from paul that are favorites of mine, some
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  • Journaling space, some prayers.
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  • It'll help us be changed.
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  • I wanna pray for you that these 90 days will be transformational
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  • In your life.
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  • Father, help us not just be hearers but to be doers of
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  • Your word.
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  • May the spirit of god bring transformation to each of us.
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  • In jesus's name, amen.
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  • ♪♪♪
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