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Allen Jackson Ministries | Allen Jackson - The Middle East Today (Part 1) | October 9, 2025
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- Allen jackson: you know, we're witnessing something of a crisis
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- In our nation, something i never thought i would see, expressions
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- Of antisemitism, hatred for the jewish people, coming from
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- America, coming from the christian community, the
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- Conservative side of the ideological spectrum, to a
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- Degree and scope i've never seen before.
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- Well, it was important enough that i stopped and put together
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- A book.
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- The title of it is, "supporting israel, how far is too far."
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- It's an important concept that isn't political.
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- It's grounded in a biblical worldview.
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- I think we need to understand our responsibilities to the
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- Jewish people, to the modern state of israel, not from an
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- Ideological perspective, not from the perspective of nation
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- States, but as people of god.
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- It's important.
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- It's an important season.
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- A lot of voices, and i know there's some fatigue with the
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- Conflict in the middle east, but we can't afford to be fatigued
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- With our assignments to honor god and the responsibilities
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- That come with that.
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- I believe the book will be a help to you.
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- I believe it'll help you navigate the conversation with
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- Your family and your friends.
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- Enjoy the read.
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- Allen: all right, i wanna introduce, we have a
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- Guest tonight.
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- He's really not a guest, he's a part of our family, but he
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- Doesn't live here in our fine city.
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- He just visits from time to time.
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- Ronny simon is israeli.
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- He's our guide.
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- Come on, ronny.
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- Come on.
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- How many of you have never heard ronny speak?
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- Wow, let me--i'll give you just a bit more of an introduction.
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- Ronny is a historian of some significant accomplishment.
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- I've learned more history about israel and the middle east in my
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- Time with ronny than any academic setting where i ever
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- Studied and i've had the privilege of studying in some
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- Pretty good academic settings.
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- He's a guide when we have done tours.
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- We've been friends for more than 20 years.
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- We have walked through seasons in our lives when our hearts
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- Were broken, we have wept together, and we have seen the
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- Faithfulness of god.
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- He's been to the church many times.
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- It's a privilege for me to call him a friend.
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- We're gonna talk a bit about israel tonight.
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- Many of you have been on tours and have heard him.
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- His southern accent is a little flawed, so--
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- I have a number of friends in israel, but there are none i
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- Trust more than ronny.
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- And i'm honored to welcome him back.
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- It's good to have you back at the church, sir.
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- Ronny simon: thank you. glad to be here.
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- Always a pleasure. i know so many faces by now.
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- It's really a good thing.
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- I thought that we can sit on the stairs over there and have a
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- Chat, huh?
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- That was nice, huh?
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- Allen: i prefer it.
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- The camera people would complain though, i think so--
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- Ronny: we don't want them to complain.
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- Allen: we wanna share this beyond ourselves.
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- I thought we would do something tonight.
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- I knew that some of the teenagers were gonna get to
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- Come, and there's so much chatter in the media these days
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- About israel and the jewish people.
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- And so, i don't know everything about the country by any means,
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- But i've been there enough and have enough friends there that
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- I'm at least entitled to an opinion.
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- And so, i was gonna try to give you a little bit of a background
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- On the talk, the things we hear in the news about israel, but
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- It's the rest of the story.
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- It's the part you wouldn't hear in the news if you didn't have
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- Some backstory.
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- So, i'm just gonna try to set the colonel.
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- He was a--ronny served in the israeli defense forces.
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- You were a lieutenant colonel when you got retired?
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- [congregation applauding]
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- Everybody in israel serves in the military.
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- Everybody when they graduate from high school goes into
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- The military.
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- I'll let him tell you about that, but i wanna
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- Read something.
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- This was in the news today.
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- And i'll remind you if you don't know, october the 7th,
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- It'll be two years next month.
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- Hamas, a terrorist organization on the border of israel,
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- Attacked a music festival.
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- Hundreds of people were brutally killed.
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- It's awful.
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- I've seen video.
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- I went to washington to the embassy.
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- But today, two years later, there's still more--about 50
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- Hostages left.
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- They don't know exactly.
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- 20 they think perhaps alive, the bodies of 30 or so others.
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- It's unimaginable to me.
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- You're attacked by terrorists and two years later, they're
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- Still holding your people hostages and everyone they
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- Released in the last months have been starved and tortured
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- And abused.
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- But this was in the--this was the headline i heard on the
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- Radio this morning when i was going to work out, "in a new
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- Report republished against the backdrop of intensifying israeli
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- Military operations in gaza city, the un independent
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- International commission of inquiry on the occupied
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- Palestinian territory including east jerusalem and israel--urged
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- Israel and all countries to fulfill their obligations under
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- International law to end the genocide and to punish
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- Those responsible.
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- The commission finds that israel is responsible for the
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- Commission of genocide in gaza."
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- Now, this is the israeli ambassador's response to the un
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- In geneva, "danny marron dismissed the commission's
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- Cherry picked findings outright, maintaining that the 70+ page
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- Report promotes a narrative serving hamas and its supporters
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- In attempting to delegitimize and demonize the state
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- Of israel."
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- Not new.
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- That's a typical news report from israel.
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- There's a group of people accusing the jewish people or
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- The israelis of some horrific thing.
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- And there's a voice usually from israel saying that's
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- Not accurate.
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- If you haven't been in fellowship square lately, you
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- Need to go to fellowship square and read what's on the windows.
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- It will give you a bit of a biblical grounding towards what
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- I understand to be a biblical attitude towards the
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- Jewish people.
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- Well i'm honored to have friends in israel, but let's start,
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- Ronny, with gaza.
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- It's a little strip of land right along the mediterranean.
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- It belonged to egypt for a long time.
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- And after the six-day war, the egyptians didn't want it back.
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- They wanted their oil fields back, but they didn't want
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- Gaza back.
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- Maybe you give us just a brief history of gaza, and then we'll
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- Get to who the government of gaza is, cause they
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- Elected hamas.
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- Hamas is a terrorist organization.
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- The whole global community believes that.
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- The united nations believes that.
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- Our state department believes that.
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- They both believed that under both republican and democratic
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- Administrations, so it's not a political issue.
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- Hamas is a terrorist organization and the people in
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- Gaza elected hamas.
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- Now, we could argue about how free the election was, but
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- Nonetheless, they chose them.
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- Tell us a little bit about gaza.
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- Ronny: well, the whole arab league is considering hamas as a
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- Terror organization.
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- You can take a flag of hamas and go downtown the streets of
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- Washington dc or paris or london.
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- Try to do that in arab countries.
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- You will not live for too long.
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- They know exactly what's the problem with hamas and how much
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- This group is a danger not just to israel, but to the whole arab
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- Countries in the area, and maybe to the whole globe.
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- We thought it's something limited to a certain place.
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- I think that we don't understand the issue is much bigger than
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- Just a small piece of property on the shores of the
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- Mediterranean sea because hamas is fighting for world jihad.
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- They don't care about palestinian people.
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- They don't care about nations.
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- They do not care about their own people.
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- They care about one thing, to kill the little satan, that's
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- Us, and then to go after the big satan, that's you.
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- So, if you thought that you are not connected, against your
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- Will, you're very much connected.
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- By the way, don't listen to me, listen to them.
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- Whenever i'm sharing my views, opinions, seminars, i tell
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- People, "don't trust me."
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- I cannot be totally objective, but you have the obligation as
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- Intelligent people to go and check for yourselves before you
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- Make an opinion, and too many people don't do that.
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- The combination of zeal and ignorance, it's devastating, and
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- That's what we see that happens.
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- Regarding gaza, the gaza strip was created in the aftermath of
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- Israel's war of independence.
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- Egyptians invaded israel coming to help the palestinian brothers
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- And sisters.
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- Many refugees fled from israel during the war.
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- Many of them were basically egyptians that wanted to go back
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- To egypt.
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- The egyptian army stopped them in the area of gaza.
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- They didn't want them back in egypt proper because of the
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- Numbers of people, the terrible condition of egypt.
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- They stopped them from moving back to egypt, creating an area
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- That will be called the gaza strip that was filled with
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- 300,000 people in 1948.
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- It was in the egyptian hands until 1967.
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- And for the palestinians in gaza, by the way, nobody called
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- Them palestinians back then.
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- These were arabs who fled from israel and were simply placed by
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- The egyptians in huge camps, if you wish, in the gaza.
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- They could not travel.
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- They did not have any education.
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- They didn't have any civil rights.
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- They were not citizens of anybody.
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- They were equipped with weapons and hatred, and egypt used them
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- As a tool to carry on the struggle against israel.
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- That's how the gaza strip was created.
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- In 1967, israel took gaza from the egyptians.
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- Fasting forward to 1979, we made peace with egypt.
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- And while negotiating the peace agreement, we asked president
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- Sadat of egypt, "sir, take gaza with you.
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- After all, you occupied gaza for 19 years, 48 to 67.
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- We're going to pull out from sinai, give it back to you.
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- Egypt, for peace, take gaza with you."
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- The president smiled bitterly and said, "no, no, i don't want
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- Gaza back.
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- You stick with gaza."
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- And sure enough, gaza is our problem for the last few
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- Decades, and we ignored many aspects.
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- We were deceived by the people in gaza.
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- We reached out for peace time after time after time.
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- That's not propaganda.
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- Every peace process in the region is well initiated, always
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- To be turned down by our neighbors.
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- So, gaza became to be a central part of a group called hamas who
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- Were elected, all right.
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- In elections, the people knew what they're voting for.
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- By the way, i do, if i may, you speak about isis.
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- And i do this comparison for a reason.
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- Isis as bad as they were, nobody thought to negotiate with
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- Isis, right?
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- Isis had to be destroyed, period.
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- We speak about the same ideology, we speak about the
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- Same mo, we speak about the same thought, the same hatred, but
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- Isis took over places, conquer them.
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- Hamas did not conquer gaza.
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- Hamas is a product of gaza.
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- Hamas is gaza.
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- People supported the ideology of gaza and hamas represents
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- The people.
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- And i'm saying that because so many people try to make
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- A distinction.
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- Hamas is one thing and the other innocent people of gaza are
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- Something totally different.
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- You should not include both of them in the same sentence.
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- With all due respect, absolute nonsense.
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- The world went to war against nazi germany, not the nazi
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- Party, all right.
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- The world went to war against japan and not just the samurai
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- And the bushido code and the emperor.
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- You cannot disdain hamas from the people of gaza.
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- We speak about the same mentality, we speak about the
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- Same mindset, and the same deep hatred to everything which is
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- Not muslim.
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- Allen: you know, how should we respond to the nation of israel
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- And the jewish people?
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- It's a complex question in today's world.
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- Well, i've written a book, "supporting israel, how far is
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- Too far," to help us establish a biblical perspective on what has
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- Become a complex question in contemporary culture.
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- We don't wanna follow the guidance and the counsel of some
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- Of the elite universities in this nation.
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- We want to form a perspective that's built from god's word.
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- If we'll do that, it'll bring his blessings to our lives.
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- Enjoy the book.
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- Female announcer: from the pages of scripture to the front lines
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- Of today's news, israel stands at the center of god's purposes.
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- To us.
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- Allen: what do you think about the hostages?
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- Do you have hope they'll be released?
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- Ronny: well, 48 hostages, hamas still holds in their hands.
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- It started with 251.
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- We were able to release some with military operations.
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- Some of them were killed in the process.
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- We know for a fact now that the orders given to hamas is when
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- You see the first israeli soldier in the neighborhood, you
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- Hear the first israeli tank before, you will be killed, you
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- Put a bullet in the head of the hostage.
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- We take it seriously and that's the main limit that we put
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- Upon ourselves.
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- We have an idea where they might be kept by hamas.
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- We're very careful not to operate in that specific area.
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- Some would wonder how come it takes more than two years for
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- Israel to get rid of hamas.
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- It's not are we capable yes or no.
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- We're fighting in seven different fronts.
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- The problem is the refugees.
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- It's--i'm sorry, the hostages.
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- It's very intimate.
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- It's very personal.
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- We are a small country.
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- We all have friends and people who either are
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- Connected directly.
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- We know the names by heart.
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- We dream about them.
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- These are our brothers and sisters.
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- We want them back home.
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- So, right now, the number is 48.
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- About 20 of them, i wish that's the number, are confirmed to be
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- Alive and how do we know?
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- Because hamas releases every now and then some short videos.
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- It's the way to demoralize all of israel when you see
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- Those hostages.
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- There is starvation in gaza.
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- The hostages are starving.
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- It's part of psychological warfare.
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- That will be the most painful issue.
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- It's an important jewish principle.
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- You don't leave anybody behind.
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- You do whatever you can to bring everybody home as long as it
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- Will take, we will not spare any effort.
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- Whatever needs to be done to bring our brothers and sisters
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- Back home.
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- Allen: well it's changed locations.
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- Israel is a small country.
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- It's not much bigger than middle tennessee.
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- But let's go to the west bank.
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- How many of you've heard of the west bank?
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- It means land on the west side of the jordan river.
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- And you've heard of the palestinian people.
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- Let me give you a quick history lesson.
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- I know like, you know, history for dummies.
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- I'm history for dummies and he's history for professors.
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- So, there never was a country called palestine, there was not
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- A capital of palestine, there wasn't a government
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- Of palestine.
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- It's never existed, not just in modern history, but
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- In antiquity.
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- There was a region in the middle east called palestine in the
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- Same way we would talk about the southeastern united states.
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- There's not a government of the southeast or a capital of
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- The southeast.
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- I mean, we might say it was nashville, but the people in
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- Alabama would object.
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- But since they can't write, it's not a very powerful objection.
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- I'm kidding.
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- Go count your national championships and leave
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- Us alone.
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- Palestine was a region in the same way that the southeastern
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- United states is a region.
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- And that region has been parceled out for a variety of
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- Reasons through history.
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- For a long time it was--belonged to the ottoman empire under
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- Turkish control.
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- But after world war i, the british were given the
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- Responsibility of palestine.
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- They had a mandate and they took 78% or so, of the region
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- Of palestine.
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- The border between the nation of jordan and the nation of israel
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- Today is the jordan river.
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- And so, they took 78% of the region of palestine and created
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- The modern nation of jordan.
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- It was 1946, may of 1946.
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- That left 22% of the region that had been palestine.
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- And in 1948, the un made a proposal to put two nations on
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- The west bank of the jordan river.
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- One would be israel and the other would have been palestine.
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- And the muslim world rejected it.
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- The israelis said--the jewish people said yes.
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- And a war immediately broke out.
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- All the surrounding nations attacked israel.
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- And the--when the war it was done, the jewish people held the
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- Land that the united nations, for the most part, that the
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- United nations said they could have.
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- The land that had been promised to the palestinians for their
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- Nation was occupied by jordan and the gaza strip was occupied
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- By egypt.
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- Nobody called it occupied territory.
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- Nobody referred to the people who lived there as the
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- Palestinian people.
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- They were jordanian and they had jordanian passports.
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- I have friends who had jordanian passports.
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- In 1967, after the six-day war, the israelis found themselves in
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- Control of the property on the west bank of the jordan river.
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- It didn't drive the people out, but all of a sudden, it became
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- Occupied territory.
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- And from that day until this, that has been the point
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- Of debate.
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- Now, again, that's history for dummies, but there's some when
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- We hear the chant of--from the river to the sea, that seems
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- Like a chic thing to say on some of our college campuses.
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- To the people who live in israel, it has a very
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- Significant meaning.
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- Maybe we start with that.
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- What's river to the sea mean to you, ronny?
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- Ronny: there is something about alabama.
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- Just--i'm not that--i know that forrest gump is coming
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- From alabama.
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- That's good enough for me, huh?
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- Run forrest.
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- I'm sorry pastor.
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- The question, from the river to the sea.
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- I always kind of embarrassed when i watch all these youtube
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- Segments and you see american youngsters, the best of this
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- Country, bright boys and girls that go to the best universities
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- In the world, carrying those banners and somebody approaches
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- Them and ask a very simple question, "what is the river?
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- What is the sea?"
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- In most cases, they don't have a clue.
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- What they mean by that is the river jordan on one side, the
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- Mediterranean sea on the other side.
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- And these are the borders of the land that was known, under the
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- British, as palestine.
- 00:20:00.082 --> 00:20:02.184
- Today, part of it is the state of israel.
- 00:20:02.184 --> 00:20:04.253
- The land of israel was bigger because the land of israel,
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- Where the tribes of israel used to live once upon a time, part
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- Of it is in jordanian territory today.
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- So, even the right term is important.
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- So, to speak about the river to the sea, when you do that, you
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- Do two main things.
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- Number one, you're calling to free a people that you believe
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- The land is theirs.
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- At the very same sentence, you're called to kill all the
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- People that lived there today, which are the jewish people.
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- In one sentence you're calling for genocide, in the same
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- Sentence basically you speak about freeing the land that was
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- Never really palestinian.
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- It sounds like an oxymoron , indeed it is.
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- But to say, "from the river to the sea," is a call
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- For genocide.
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- To be honest with you, if you can't get in a conversation with
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- Somebody who is willing to have a conversation and you tell them
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- What the design means, they're willing to rethink it sometimes.
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- In most cases, who would even care?
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- We go to the protest because our bodies are going.
- 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:07.482
- There was a pile of signs, grab one and go scream and go yell.
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- If you happen to grab the one from the river to the sea, at
- 00:21:12.287 --> 00:21:14.790
- Least get to know what is it that you're talking about.
- 00:21:14.790 --> 00:21:18.293
- So, this is quite a catchy phrase.
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- Yes, of course, you'll understand, and that's what it
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- Means from the river jordan to the mediterranean sea.
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- I can put up a lot of nice slogans that will also be
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- Very attractive.
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- Would you like to hear some?
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- From the river to the mud, palestine is already dead.
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- How about that, huh?
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- Oh, please don't quote me.
- 00:21:36.011 --> 00:21:37.546
- But you do understand how easy it is to deceive people, to try
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- To convince people to rally for a cause they know nothing about.
- 00:21:42.250 --> 00:21:46.722
- Let me tell you the real tragedy.
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- American youngsters, european youngsters believe that they
- 00:21:49.091 --> 00:21:52.694
- Fight for human rights because that was the wrap.
- 00:21:52.694 --> 00:21:56.498
- It was sold to them by very sophisticated machine of
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- Propaganda, of money from qatar invested in your universities to
- 00:22:00.669 --> 00:22:05.807
- Brainwash these youngsters.
- 00:22:05.807 --> 00:22:08.143
- They'll be very easily convinced to fight for human rights.
- 00:22:08.143 --> 00:22:12.814
- So, we're fighting for human rights and calling for the
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- Extermination of the jewish people.
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- How that works together?
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- If you talk to people, they don't have an answer to that
- 00:22:20.822 --> 00:22:23.592
- Because they don't really know what is it that they are
- 00:22:23.592 --> 00:22:26.294
- Supporting when they chant for globalize the intifada.
- 00:22:26.294 --> 00:22:30.966
- Globalize intifada, that's world chaos, that's anarchy.
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- And it doesn't include just israel, it speaks about the
- 00:22:35.437 --> 00:22:38.407
- Whole western world.
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- Allen: israel is a democracy.
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- They elect their leaders.
- 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:46.314
- Different--they have different founding documents similar to
- 00:22:46.314 --> 00:22:49.084
- How we elect our leaders though.
- 00:22:49.084 --> 00:22:51.086
- All the other nations in the middle east are authoritarian,
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- They have dictators.
- 00:22:54.189 --> 00:22:56.258
- They don't choose their leaders, but maybe the demographics
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- Of israel.
- 00:23:00.095 --> 00:23:01.563
- How many jews live in israel?
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- How many arabs live in israel?
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- Can you give us just a real quick overview of
- 00:23:05.267 --> 00:23:07.035
- The demographics?
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- Ronny: yes sir.
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- Next week is the jewish new year's, and every year, the
- 00:23:10.172 --> 00:23:16.344
- State is publishing the demographics in the country.
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- How many people live in israel.
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- We just went across the ten million line which i think that
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- We need to be congratulated to be able to cross the ten
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- Million line.
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- Thank you.
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- I cannot take any credit for it.
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- Although my family--i was born in romania, so i will be counted
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- Also as some of those that came over to the country.
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- Our dream is to bring all the jews over to israel.
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- We did not accomplish that so far.
- 00:23:43.171 --> 00:23:45.307
- 49% of the world jewry live in israel.
- 00:23:45.307 --> 00:23:49.644
- The biggest jewish city in the world is brooklyn and not
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- Jerusalem, so we're working on it and we'll bring as many
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- People back home as possible.
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- Ten million people, about 76 to 77%, will be indeed jewish.
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- The others will be arabs.
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- And arab is not an ethnicity, it's not a religion, and not
- 00:24:07.262 --> 00:24:11.500
- A nationality.
- 00:24:11.500 --> 00:24:13.001
- Being an arab is a civilization, it's a language, it's a culture.
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- If you live in israel, you are of an israeli citizenship, but
- 00:24:18.173 --> 00:24:22.110
- You're part of the arab world or the arab civilization.
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- And the arabs in israel are equal citizens to the jews.
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- You need to understand that because people speak about an
- 00:24:31.786 --> 00:24:34.122
- Apartheid state.
- 00:24:34.122 --> 00:24:35.757
- The easiest argument that's brought against israel to refuse
- 00:24:35.757 --> 00:24:39.494
- Is the apartheid thing.
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- Arabs in israel can vote, they can be elected.
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- We had an arab supreme court judge who sent a jewish
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- President to jail.
- 00:24:49.571 --> 00:24:51.840
- We have arabs everywhere in our communities because they are
- 00:24:51.840 --> 00:24:55.277
- Equal citizens just like i am with one reservation, serving in
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- The army is not mandatory for the arabs.
- 00:25:00.916 --> 00:25:03.285
- They can volunteer and they can be muslims and most of them are.
- 00:25:03.285 --> 00:25:07.222
- They could be christians.
- 00:25:07.222 --> 00:25:08.557
- It's not your religion.
- 00:25:08.557 --> 00:25:10.659
- Israeli arabs are the only free arabs that live in the
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- Middle east.
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- The rights are protected, the property is protected, and the
- 00:25:15.997 --> 00:25:20.368
- State treats them equally like anybody else.
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- They are equal in the eyes of the law like all the jews are.
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- So, to speak about an apartheid state, that's not israel.
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- You want to look for apartheid, you go to lebanon and see how
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- They treat the refugees they've invited in 1948.
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- You go to egypt and you see how they treat the refugees they've
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- Invited in 1948.
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- You go to syria, you go to iraq.
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- That's about right.
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- Palestinians that left the country in 1948, invited by the
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- Arab governments, are living worse and dogs.
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- They live in communities, they cannot leave them, they don't
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- Have citizenship, they cannot travel, education is limited.
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- That's apartheid.
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- That's how the arab countries are treating palestinians, not
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- In israel.
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- Israel is a state, a democracy where everybody is free
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- And equal.
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- Allen: you know, i used to believe that antisemitism was a
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- European problem or an issue in the islamic nations of the
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- World, but now we see it flourishing in our nation on
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- Elite college campuses, even amongst the political class, and
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- Now on the conservative ideological spectrum.
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- It's troubling.
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- So, i wrote a book, "supporting israel, how far is too far."
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- You know, i know we've all got a little battle fatigue with the
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- Constant conflicts in the middle east and beyond, but what we
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- Desperately need is a biblical perspective on how to navigate
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- What's unfolding in our world, and i believe the word of god
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- Gives that to us with clarity.
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- So, we put this book together to help you find yourself in a
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- Place that will bring the blessings of god to your life.
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- I wanna pray that we'll have his wisdom.
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- Father, you said when we lack wisdom, we could ask and that
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- You would give it to us without criticism.
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- We want to stand with you in what you're accomplishing in the
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- Earth so that your purposes can come forth.
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- Holy spirit, give us the discernment we need in jesus's
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- Name, amen.
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- ♪♪♪
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