Allen Jackson - The Middle East Today (Part 1)

October 9, 2025 | 28:35

Pastor Allen Jackson's mission is to help people become fully devoted followers of Jesus Christ.

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Allen Jackson Ministries | Allen Jackson - The Middle East Today (Part 1) | October 9, 2025
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  • Allen jackson: you know, we're witnessing something of a crisis
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  • In our nation, something i never thought i would see, expressions
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  • Of antisemitism, hatred for the jewish people, coming from
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  • America, coming from the christian community, the
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  • Conservative side of the ideological spectrum, to a
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  • Degree and scope i've never seen before.
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  • Well, it was important enough that i stopped and put together
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  • A book.
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  • The title of it is, "supporting israel, how far is too far."
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  • It's an important concept that isn't political.
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  • It's grounded in a biblical worldview.
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  • I think we need to understand our responsibilities to the
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  • Jewish people, to the modern state of israel, not from an
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  • Ideological perspective, not from the perspective of nation
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  • States, but as people of god.
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  • It's important.
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  • It's an important season.
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  • A lot of voices, and i know there's some fatigue with the
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  • Conflict in the middle east, but we can't afford to be fatigued
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  • With our assignments to honor god and the responsibilities
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  • That come with that.
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  • I believe the book will be a help to you.
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  • I believe it'll help you navigate the conversation with
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  • Your family and your friends.
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  • Enjoy the read.
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  • Allen: all right, i wanna introduce, we have a
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  • Guest tonight.
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  • He's really not a guest, he's a part of our family, but he
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  • Doesn't live here in our fine city.
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  • He just visits from time to time.
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  • Ronny simon is israeli.
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  • He's our guide.
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  • Come on, ronny.
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  • Come on.
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  • How many of you have never heard ronny speak?
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  • Wow, let me--i'll give you just a bit more of an introduction.
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  • Ronny is a historian of some significant accomplishment.
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  • I've learned more history about israel and the middle east in my
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  • Time with ronny than any academic setting where i ever
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  • Studied and i've had the privilege of studying in some
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  • Pretty good academic settings.
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  • He's a guide when we have done tours.
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  • We've been friends for more than 20 years.
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  • We have walked through seasons in our lives when our hearts
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  • Were broken, we have wept together, and we have seen the
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  • Faithfulness of god.
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  • He's been to the church many times.
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  • It's a privilege for me to call him a friend.
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  • We're gonna talk a bit about israel tonight.
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  • Many of you have been on tours and have heard him.
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  • His southern accent is a little flawed, so--
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  • I have a number of friends in israel, but there are none i
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  • Trust more than ronny.
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  • And i'm honored to welcome him back.
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  • It's good to have you back at the church, sir.
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  • Ronny simon: thank you. glad to be here.
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  • Always a pleasure. i know so many faces by now.
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  • It's really a good thing.
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  • I thought that we can sit on the stairs over there and have a
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  • Chat, huh?
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  • That was nice, huh?
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  • Allen: i prefer it.
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  • The camera people would complain though, i think so--
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  • Ronny: we don't want them to complain.
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  • Allen: we wanna share this beyond ourselves.
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  • I thought we would do something tonight.
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  • I knew that some of the teenagers were gonna get to
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  • Come, and there's so much chatter in the media these days
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  • About israel and the jewish people.
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  • And so, i don't know everything about the country by any means,
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  • But i've been there enough and have enough friends there that
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  • I'm at least entitled to an opinion.
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  • And so, i was gonna try to give you a little bit of a background
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  • On the talk, the things we hear in the news about israel, but
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  • It's the rest of the story.
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  • It's the part you wouldn't hear in the news if you didn't have
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  • Some backstory.
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  • So, i'm just gonna try to set the colonel.
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  • He was a--ronny served in the israeli defense forces.
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  • You were a lieutenant colonel when you got retired?
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  • [congregation applauding]
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  • Everybody in israel serves in the military.
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  • Everybody when they graduate from high school goes into
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  • The military.
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  • I'll let him tell you about that, but i wanna
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  • Read something.
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  • This was in the news today.
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  • And i'll remind you if you don't know, october the 7th,
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  • It'll be two years next month.
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  • Hamas, a terrorist organization on the border of israel,
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  • Attacked a music festival.
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  • Hundreds of people were brutally killed.
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  • It's awful.
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  • I've seen video.
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  • I went to washington to the embassy.
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  • But today, two years later, there's still more--about 50
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  • Hostages left.
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  • They don't know exactly.
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  • 20 they think perhaps alive, the bodies of 30 or so others.
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  • It's unimaginable to me.
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  • You're attacked by terrorists and two years later, they're
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  • Still holding your people hostages and everyone they
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  • Released in the last months have been starved and tortured
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  • And abused.
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  • But this was in the--this was the headline i heard on the
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  • Radio this morning when i was going to work out, "in a new
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  • Report republished against the backdrop of intensifying israeli
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  • Military operations in gaza city, the un independent
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  • International commission of inquiry on the occupied
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  • Palestinian territory including east jerusalem and israel--urged
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  • Israel and all countries to fulfill their obligations under
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  • International law to end the genocide and to punish
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  • Those responsible.
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  • The commission finds that israel is responsible for the
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  • Commission of genocide in gaza."
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  • Now, this is the israeli ambassador's response to the un
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  • In geneva, "danny marron dismissed the commission's
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  • Cherry picked findings outright, maintaining that the 70+ page
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  • Report promotes a narrative serving hamas and its supporters
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  • In attempting to delegitimize and demonize the state
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  • Of israel."
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  • Not new.
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  • That's a typical news report from israel.
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  • There's a group of people accusing the jewish people or
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  • The israelis of some horrific thing.
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  • And there's a voice usually from israel saying that's
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  • Not accurate.
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  • If you haven't been in fellowship square lately, you
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  • Need to go to fellowship square and read what's on the windows.
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  • It will give you a bit of a biblical grounding towards what
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  • I understand to be a biblical attitude towards the
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  • Jewish people.
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  • Well i'm honored to have friends in israel, but let's start,
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  • Ronny, with gaza.
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  • It's a little strip of land right along the mediterranean.
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  • It belonged to egypt for a long time.
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  • And after the six-day war, the egyptians didn't want it back.
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  • They wanted their oil fields back, but they didn't want
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  • Gaza back.
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  • Maybe you give us just a brief history of gaza, and then we'll
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  • Get to who the government of gaza is, cause they
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  • Elected hamas.
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  • Hamas is a terrorist organization.
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  • The whole global community believes that.
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  • The united nations believes that.
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  • Our state department believes that.
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  • They both believed that under both republican and democratic
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  • Administrations, so it's not a political issue.
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  • Hamas is a terrorist organization and the people in
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  • Gaza elected hamas.
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  • Now, we could argue about how free the election was, but
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  • Nonetheless, they chose them.
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  • Tell us a little bit about gaza.
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  • Ronny: well, the whole arab league is considering hamas as a
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  • Terror organization.
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  • You can take a flag of hamas and go downtown the streets of
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  • Washington dc or paris or london.
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  • Try to do that in arab countries.
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  • You will not live for too long.
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  • They know exactly what's the problem with hamas and how much
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  • This group is a danger not just to israel, but to the whole arab
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  • Countries in the area, and maybe to the whole globe.
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  • We thought it's something limited to a certain place.
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  • I think that we don't understand the issue is much bigger than
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  • Just a small piece of property on the shores of the
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  • Mediterranean sea because hamas is fighting for world jihad.
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  • They don't care about palestinian people.
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  • They don't care about nations.
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  • They do not care about their own people.
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  • They care about one thing, to kill the little satan, that's
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  • Us, and then to go after the big satan, that's you.
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  • So, if you thought that you are not connected, against your
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  • Will, you're very much connected.
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  • By the way, don't listen to me, listen to them.
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  • Whenever i'm sharing my views, opinions, seminars, i tell
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  • People, "don't trust me."
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  • I cannot be totally objective, but you have the obligation as
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  • Intelligent people to go and check for yourselves before you
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  • Make an opinion, and too many people don't do that.
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  • The combination of zeal and ignorance, it's devastating, and
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  • That's what we see that happens.
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  • Regarding gaza, the gaza strip was created in the aftermath of
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  • Israel's war of independence.
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  • Egyptians invaded israel coming to help the palestinian brothers
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  • And sisters.
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  • Many refugees fled from israel during the war.
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  • Many of them were basically egyptians that wanted to go back
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  • To egypt.
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  • The egyptian army stopped them in the area of gaza.
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  • They didn't want them back in egypt proper because of the
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  • Numbers of people, the terrible condition of egypt.
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  • They stopped them from moving back to egypt, creating an area
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  • That will be called the gaza strip that was filled with
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  • 300,000 people in 1948.
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  • It was in the egyptian hands until 1967.
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  • And for the palestinians in gaza, by the way, nobody called
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  • Them palestinians back then.
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  • These were arabs who fled from israel and were simply placed by
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  • The egyptians in huge camps, if you wish, in the gaza.
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  • They could not travel.
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  • They did not have any education.
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  • They didn't have any civil rights.
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  • They were not citizens of anybody.
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  • They were equipped with weapons and hatred, and egypt used them
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  • As a tool to carry on the struggle against israel.
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  • That's how the gaza strip was created.
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  • In 1967, israel took gaza from the egyptians.
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  • Fasting forward to 1979, we made peace with egypt.
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  • And while negotiating the peace agreement, we asked president
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  • Sadat of egypt, "sir, take gaza with you.
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  • After all, you occupied gaza for 19 years, 48 to 67.
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  • We're going to pull out from sinai, give it back to you.
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  • Egypt, for peace, take gaza with you."
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  • The president smiled bitterly and said, "no, no, i don't want
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  • Gaza back.
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  • You stick with gaza."
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  • And sure enough, gaza is our problem for the last few
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  • Decades, and we ignored many aspects.
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  • We were deceived by the people in gaza.
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  • We reached out for peace time after time after time.
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  • That's not propaganda.
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  • Every peace process in the region is well initiated, always
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  • To be turned down by our neighbors.
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  • So, gaza became to be a central part of a group called hamas who
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  • Were elected, all right.
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  • In elections, the people knew what they're voting for.
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  • By the way, i do, if i may, you speak about isis.
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  • And i do this comparison for a reason.
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  • Isis as bad as they were, nobody thought to negotiate with
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  • Isis, right?
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  • Isis had to be destroyed, period.
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  • We speak about the same ideology, we speak about the
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  • Same mo, we speak about the same thought, the same hatred, but
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  • Isis took over places, conquer them.
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  • Hamas did not conquer gaza.
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  • Hamas is a product of gaza.
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  • Hamas is gaza.
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  • People supported the ideology of gaza and hamas represents
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  • The people.
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  • And i'm saying that because so many people try to make
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  • A distinction.
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  • Hamas is one thing and the other innocent people of gaza are
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  • Something totally different.
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  • You should not include both of them in the same sentence.
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  • With all due respect, absolute nonsense.
  • 00:11:41.951 --> 00:11:44.954
  • The world went to war against nazi germany, not the nazi
  • 00:11:44.954 --> 00:11:47.690
  • Party, all right.
  • 00:11:47.690 --> 00:11:49.391
  • The world went to war against japan and not just the samurai
  • 00:11:49.391 --> 00:11:52.995
  • And the bushido code and the emperor.
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  • You cannot disdain hamas from the people of gaza.
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  • We speak about the same mentality, we speak about the
  • 00:11:59.502 --> 00:12:02.638
  • Same mindset, and the same deep hatred to everything which is
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  • Not muslim.
  • 00:12:06.776 --> 00:12:10.379
  • Allen: you know, how should we respond to the nation of israel
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  • And the jewish people?
  • 00:12:17.186 --> 00:12:18.521
  • It's a complex question in today's world.
  • 00:12:18.521 --> 00:12:20.990
  • Well, i've written a book, "supporting israel, how far is
  • 00:12:20.990 --> 00:12:23.759
  • Too far," to help us establish a biblical perspective on what has
  • 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:28.397
  • Become a complex question in contemporary culture.
  • 00:12:28.397 --> 00:12:32.001
  • We don't wanna follow the guidance and the counsel of some
  • 00:12:32.001 --> 00:12:34.870
  • Of the elite universities in this nation.
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  • We want to form a perspective that's built from god's word.
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  • If we'll do that, it'll bring his blessings to our lives.
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  • Enjoy the book.
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  • Female announcer: from the pages of scripture to the front lines
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  • Allen: what do you think about the hostages?
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  • Do you have hope they'll be released?
  • 00:13:18.314 --> 00:13:20.449
  • Ronny: well, 48 hostages, hamas still holds in their hands.
  • 00:13:20.449 --> 00:13:24.787
  • It started with 251.
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  • We were able to release some with military operations.
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  • Some of them were killed in the process.
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  • We know for a fact now that the orders given to hamas is when
  • 00:13:32.928 --> 00:13:36.699
  • You see the first israeli soldier in the neighborhood, you
  • 00:13:36.699 --> 00:13:39.702
  • Hear the first israeli tank before, you will be killed, you
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  • Put a bullet in the head of the hostage.
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  • We take it seriously and that's the main limit that we put
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  • Upon ourselves.
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  • We have an idea where they might be kept by hamas.
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  • We're very careful not to operate in that specific area.
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  • Some would wonder how come it takes more than two years for
  • 00:13:56.952 --> 00:13:59.455
  • Israel to get rid of hamas.
  • 00:13:59.455 --> 00:14:01.624
  • It's not are we capable yes or no.
  • 00:14:01.624 --> 00:14:03.392
  • We're fighting in seven different fronts.
  • 00:14:03.392 --> 00:14:05.895
  • The problem is the refugees.
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  • It's--i'm sorry, the hostages.
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  • It's very intimate.
  • 00:14:09.732 --> 00:14:11.233
  • It's very personal.
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  • We are a small country.
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  • We all have friends and people who either are
  • 00:14:14.236 --> 00:14:16.705
  • Connected directly.
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  • We know the names by heart.
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  • We dream about them.
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  • These are our brothers and sisters.
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  • We want them back home.
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  • So, right now, the number is 48.
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  • About 20 of them, i wish that's the number, are confirmed to be
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  • Alive and how do we know?
  • 00:14:31.153 --> 00:14:33.022
  • Because hamas releases every now and then some short videos.
  • 00:14:33.022 --> 00:14:36.992
  • It's the way to demoralize all of israel when you see
  • 00:14:36.992 --> 00:14:39.728
  • Those hostages.
  • 00:14:39.728 --> 00:14:41.363
  • There is starvation in gaza.
  • 00:14:41.363 --> 00:14:43.265
  • The hostages are starving.
  • 00:14:43.265 --> 00:14:45.367
  • It's part of psychological warfare.
  • 00:14:45.367 --> 00:14:47.703
  • That will be the most painful issue.
  • 00:14:47.703 --> 00:14:49.505
  • It's an important jewish principle.
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  • You don't leave anybody behind.
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  • You do whatever you can to bring everybody home as long as it
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  • Will take, we will not spare any effort.
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  • Whatever needs to be done to bring our brothers and sisters
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  • Back home.
  • 00:15:03.686 --> 00:15:07.423
  • Allen: well it's changed locations.
  • 00:15:11.160 --> 00:15:12.528
  • Israel is a small country.
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  • It's not much bigger than middle tennessee.
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  • But let's go to the west bank.
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  • How many of you've heard of the west bank?
  • 00:15:17.599 --> 00:15:20.269
  • It means land on the west side of the jordan river.
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  • And you've heard of the palestinian people.
  • 00:15:23.839 --> 00:15:25.975
  • Let me give you a quick history lesson.
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  • I know like, you know, history for dummies.
  • 00:15:27.977 --> 00:15:31.380
  • I'm history for dummies and he's history for professors.
  • 00:15:31.380 --> 00:15:34.083
  • So, there never was a country called palestine, there was not
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  • A capital of palestine, there wasn't a government
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  • Of palestine.
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  • It's never existed, not just in modern history, but
  • 00:15:44.827 --> 00:15:47.196
  • In antiquity.
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  • There was a region in the middle east called palestine in the
  • 00:15:49.331 --> 00:15:53.102
  • Same way we would talk about the southeastern united states.
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  • There's not a government of the southeast or a capital of
  • 00:15:56.905 --> 00:15:59.341
  • The southeast.
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  • I mean, we might say it was nashville, but the people in
  • 00:16:00.809 --> 00:16:02.711
  • Alabama would object.
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  • But since they can't write, it's not a very powerful objection.
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  • I'm kidding.
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  • Go count your national championships and leave
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  • Us alone.
  • 00:16:18.527 --> 00:16:21.296
  • Palestine was a region in the same way that the southeastern
  • 00:16:21.296 --> 00:16:26.135
  • United states is a region.
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  • And that region has been parceled out for a variety of
  • 00:16:28.070 --> 00:16:31.707
  • Reasons through history.
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  • For a long time it was--belonged to the ottoman empire under
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  • Turkish control.
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  • But after world war i, the british were given the
  • 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.016
  • Responsibility of palestine.
  • 00:16:41.016 --> 00:16:44.753
  • They had a mandate and they took 78% or so, of the region
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  • Of palestine.
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  • The border between the nation of jordan and the nation of israel
  • 00:16:53.996 --> 00:16:57.633
  • Today is the jordan river.
  • 00:16:57.633 --> 00:16:59.835
  • And so, they took 78% of the region of palestine and created
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  • The modern nation of jordan.
  • 00:17:04.306 --> 00:17:05.741
  • It was 1946, may of 1946.
  • 00:17:05.741 --> 00:17:10.712
  • That left 22% of the region that had been palestine.
  • 00:17:10.712 --> 00:17:15.684
  • And in 1948, the un made a proposal to put two nations on
  • 00:17:15.684 --> 00:17:20.656
  • The west bank of the jordan river.
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  • One would be israel and the other would have been palestine.
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  • And the muslim world rejected it.
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  • The israelis said--the jewish people said yes.
  • 00:17:32.868 --> 00:17:37.039
  • And a war immediately broke out.
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  • All the surrounding nations attacked israel.
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  • And the--when the war it was done, the jewish people held the
  • 00:17:42.678 --> 00:17:47.249
  • Land that the united nations, for the most part, that the
  • 00:17:47.249 --> 00:17:49.852
  • United nations said they could have.
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  • The land that had been promised to the palestinians for their
  • 00:17:52.321 --> 00:17:55.424
  • Nation was occupied by jordan and the gaza strip was occupied
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  • By egypt.
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  • Nobody called it occupied territory.
  • 00:18:03.899 --> 00:18:07.536
  • Nobody referred to the people who lived there as the
  • 00:18:07.536 --> 00:18:09.705
  • Palestinian people.
  • 00:18:09.705 --> 00:18:11.073
  • They were jordanian and they had jordanian passports.
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  • I have friends who had jordanian passports.
  • 00:18:13.876 --> 00:18:18.380
  • In 1967, after the six-day war, the israelis found themselves in
  • 00:18:18.380 --> 00:18:24.353
  • Control of the property on the west bank of the jordan river.
  • 00:18:24.353 --> 00:18:28.557
  • It didn't drive the people out, but all of a sudden, it became
  • 00:18:28.557 --> 00:18:34.163
  • Occupied territory.
  • 00:18:34.163 --> 00:18:36.899
  • And from that day until this, that has been the point
  • 00:18:36.899 --> 00:18:39.501
  • Of debate.
  • 00:18:39.501 --> 00:18:41.537
  • Now, again, that's history for dummies, but there's some when
  • 00:18:41.537 --> 00:18:46.775
  • We hear the chant of--from the river to the sea, that seems
  • 00:18:46.775 --> 00:18:51.580
  • Like a chic thing to say on some of our college campuses.
  • 00:18:51.580 --> 00:18:54.883
  • To the people who live in israel, it has a very
  • 00:18:54.883 --> 00:18:57.786
  • Significant meaning.
  • 00:18:57.786 --> 00:18:59.922
  • Maybe we start with that.
  • 00:18:59.922 --> 00:19:01.256
  • What's river to the sea mean to you, ronny?
  • 00:19:01.256 --> 00:19:04.359
  • Ronny: there is something about alabama.
  • 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:06.562
  • Just--i'm not that--i know that forrest gump is coming
  • 00:19:06.562 --> 00:19:10.766
  • From alabama.
  • 00:19:10.766 --> 00:19:12.100
  • That's good enough for me, huh?
  • 00:19:12.100 --> 00:19:13.835
  • Run forrest.
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  • I'm sorry pastor.
  • 00:19:16.638 --> 00:19:19.508
  • The question, from the river to the sea.
  • 00:19:19.508 --> 00:19:26.982
  • I always kind of embarrassed when i watch all these youtube
  • 00:19:26.982 --> 00:19:31.787
  • Segments and you see american youngsters, the best of this
  • 00:19:31.787 --> 00:19:36.124
  • Country, bright boys and girls that go to the best universities
  • 00:19:36.124 --> 00:19:39.895
  • In the world, carrying those banners and somebody approaches
  • 00:19:39.895 --> 00:19:43.665
  • Them and ask a very simple question, "what is the river?
  • 00:19:43.665 --> 00:19:47.002
  • What is the sea?"
  • 00:19:47.002 --> 00:19:48.370
  • In most cases, they don't have a clue.
  • 00:19:48.370 --> 00:19:50.572
  • What they mean by that is the river jordan on one side, the
  • 00:19:50.572 --> 00:19:54.209
  • Mediterranean sea on the other side.
  • 00:19:54.209 --> 00:19:56.778
  • And these are the borders of the land that was known, under the
  • 00:19:56.778 --> 00:20:00.082
  • British, as palestine.
  • 00:20:00.082 --> 00:20:02.184
  • Today, part of it is the state of israel.
  • 00:20:02.184 --> 00:20:04.253
  • The land of israel was bigger because the land of israel,
  • 00:20:04.253 --> 00:20:07.656
  • Where the tribes of israel used to live once upon a time, part
  • 00:20:07.656 --> 00:20:11.093
  • Of it is in jordanian territory today.
  • 00:20:11.093 --> 00:20:14.096
  • So, even the right term is important.
  • 00:20:14.096 --> 00:20:16.965
  • So, to speak about the river to the sea, when you do that, you
  • 00:20:16.965 --> 00:20:20.035
  • Do two main things.
  • 00:20:20.035 --> 00:20:21.770
  • Number one, you're calling to free a people that you believe
  • 00:20:21.770 --> 00:20:24.673
  • The land is theirs.
  • 00:20:24.673 --> 00:20:26.975
  • At the very same sentence, you're called to kill all the
  • 00:20:26.975 --> 00:20:29.611
  • People that lived there today, which are the jewish people.
  • 00:20:29.611 --> 00:20:33.382
  • In one sentence you're calling for genocide, in the same
  • 00:20:33.382 --> 00:20:37.319
  • Sentence basically you speak about freeing the land that was
  • 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:41.056
  • Never really palestinian.
  • 00:20:41.056 --> 00:20:42.891
  • It sounds like an oxymoron , indeed it is.
  • 00:20:42.891 --> 00:20:45.827
  • But to say, "from the river to the sea," is a call
  • 00:20:45.827 --> 00:20:48.930
  • For genocide.
  • 00:20:48.930 --> 00:20:50.399
  • To be honest with you, if you can't get in a conversation with
  • 00:20:50.399 --> 00:20:53.702
  • Somebody who is willing to have a conversation and you tell them
  • 00:20:53.702 --> 00:20:56.972
  • What the design means, they're willing to rethink it sometimes.
  • 00:20:56.972 --> 00:21:01.443
  • In most cases, who would even care?
  • 00:21:01.443 --> 00:21:04.079
  • We go to the protest because our bodies are going.
  • 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:07.482
  • There was a pile of signs, grab one and go scream and go yell.
  • 00:21:07.482 --> 00:21:12.287
  • If you happen to grab the one from the river to the sea, at
  • 00:21:12.287 --> 00:21:14.790
  • Least get to know what is it that you're talking about.
  • 00:21:14.790 --> 00:21:18.293
  • So, this is quite a catchy phrase.
  • 00:21:18.293 --> 00:21:20.495
  • Yes, of course, you'll understand, and that's what it
  • 00:21:20.495 --> 00:21:23.031
  • Means from the river jordan to the mediterranean sea.
  • 00:21:23.031 --> 00:21:26.068
  • I can put up a lot of nice slogans that will also be
  • 00:21:26.068 --> 00:21:29.204
  • Very attractive.
  • 00:21:29.204 --> 00:21:30.572
  • Would you like to hear some?
  • 00:21:30.572 --> 00:21:31.907
  • From the river to the mud, palestine is already dead.
  • 00:21:31.907 --> 00:21:34.676
  • How about that, huh?
  • 00:21:34.676 --> 00:21:36.011
  • Oh, please don't quote me.
  • 00:21:36.011 --> 00:21:37.546
  • But you do understand how easy it is to deceive people, to try
  • 00:21:37.546 --> 00:21:42.250
  • To convince people to rally for a cause they know nothing about.
  • 00:21:42.250 --> 00:21:46.722
  • Let me tell you the real tragedy.
  • 00:21:46.722 --> 00:21:49.091
  • American youngsters, european youngsters believe that they
  • 00:21:49.091 --> 00:21:52.694
  • Fight for human rights because that was the wrap.
  • 00:21:52.694 --> 00:21:56.498
  • It was sold to them by very sophisticated machine of
  • 00:21:56.498 --> 00:22:00.669
  • Propaganda, of money from qatar invested in your universities to
  • 00:22:00.669 --> 00:22:05.807
  • Brainwash these youngsters.
  • 00:22:05.807 --> 00:22:08.143
  • They'll be very easily convinced to fight for human rights.
  • 00:22:08.143 --> 00:22:12.814
  • So, we're fighting for human rights and calling for the
  • 00:22:12.814 --> 00:22:15.550
  • Extermination of the jewish people.
  • 00:22:15.550 --> 00:22:18.019
  • How that works together?
  • 00:22:18.019 --> 00:22:20.822
  • If you talk to people, they don't have an answer to that
  • 00:22:20.822 --> 00:22:23.592
  • Because they don't really know what is it that they are
  • 00:22:23.592 --> 00:22:26.294
  • Supporting when they chant for globalize the intifada.
  • 00:22:26.294 --> 00:22:30.966
  • Globalize intifada, that's world chaos, that's anarchy.
  • 00:22:30.966 --> 00:22:35.437
  • And it doesn't include just israel, it speaks about the
  • 00:22:35.437 --> 00:22:38.407
  • Whole western world.
  • 00:22:38.407 --> 00:22:42.144
  • Allen: israel is a democracy.
  • 00:22:42.144 --> 00:22:44.279
  • They elect their leaders.
  • 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:46.314
  • Different--they have different founding documents similar to
  • 00:22:46.314 --> 00:22:49.084
  • How we elect our leaders though.
  • 00:22:49.084 --> 00:22:51.086
  • All the other nations in the middle east are authoritarian,
  • 00:22:51.086 --> 00:22:54.189
  • They have dictators.
  • 00:22:54.189 --> 00:22:56.258
  • They don't choose their leaders, but maybe the demographics
  • 00:22:56.258 --> 00:23:00.095
  • Of israel.
  • 00:23:00.095 --> 00:23:01.563
  • How many jews live in israel?
  • 00:23:01.563 --> 00:23:03.432
  • How many arabs live in israel?
  • 00:23:03.432 --> 00:23:05.267
  • Can you give us just a real quick overview of
  • 00:23:05.267 --> 00:23:07.035
  • The demographics?
  • 00:23:07.035 --> 00:23:08.837
  • Ronny: yes sir.
  • 00:23:08.837 --> 00:23:10.172
  • Next week is the jewish new year's, and every year, the
  • 00:23:10.172 --> 00:23:16.344
  • State is publishing the demographics in the country.
  • 00:23:16.344 --> 00:23:18.947
  • How many people live in israel.
  • 00:23:18.947 --> 00:23:20.916
  • We just went across the ten million line which i think that
  • 00:23:20.916 --> 00:23:24.219
  • We need to be congratulated to be able to cross the ten
  • 00:23:24.219 --> 00:23:27.522
  • Million line.
  • 00:23:27.522 --> 00:23:29.157
  • Thank you.
  • 00:23:29.157 --> 00:23:31.760
  • I cannot take any credit for it.
  • 00:23:31.760 --> 00:23:33.361
  • Although my family--i was born in romania, so i will be counted
  • 00:23:33.361 --> 00:23:36.364
  • Also as some of those that came over to the country.
  • 00:23:36.364 --> 00:23:39.634
  • Our dream is to bring all the jews over to israel.
  • 00:23:39.634 --> 00:23:43.171
  • We did not accomplish that so far.
  • 00:23:43.171 --> 00:23:45.307
  • 49% of the world jewry live in israel.
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  • The biggest jewish city in the world is brooklyn and not
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  • Jerusalem, so we're working on it and we'll bring as many
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  • People back home as possible.
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  • Ten million people, about 76 to 77%, will be indeed jewish.
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  • The others will be arabs.
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  • And arab is not an ethnicity, it's not a religion, and not
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  • A nationality.
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  • Being an arab is a civilization, it's a language, it's a culture.
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  • If you live in israel, you are of an israeli citizenship, but
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  • You're part of the arab world or the arab civilization.
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  • And the arabs in israel are equal citizens to the jews.
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  • You need to understand that because people speak about an
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  • Apartheid state.
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  • The easiest argument that's brought against israel to refuse
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  • Is the apartheid thing.
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  • Arabs in israel can vote, they can be elected.
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  • We had an arab supreme court judge who sent a jewish
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  • President to jail.
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  • We have arabs everywhere in our communities because they are
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  • Equal citizens just like i am with one reservation, serving in
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  • The army is not mandatory for the arabs.
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  • They can volunteer and they can be muslims and most of them are.
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  • They could be christians.
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  • It's not your religion.
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  • Israeli arabs are the only free arabs that live in the
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  • Middle east.
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  • The rights are protected, the property is protected, and the
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  • State treats them equally like anybody else.
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  • They are equal in the eyes of the law like all the jews are.
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  • So, to speak about an apartheid state, that's not israel.
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  • You want to look for apartheid, you go to lebanon and see how
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  • They treat the refugees they've invited in 1948.
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  • You go to egypt and you see how they treat the refugees they've
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  • Invited in 1948.
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  • You go to syria, you go to iraq.
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  • That's about right.
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  • Palestinians that left the country in 1948, invited by the
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  • Arab governments, are living worse and dogs.
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  • They live in communities, they cannot leave them, they don't
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  • Have citizenship, they cannot travel, education is limited.
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  • That's apartheid.
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  • That's how the arab countries are treating palestinians, not
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  • In israel.
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  • Israel is a state, a democracy where everybody is free
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  • And equal.
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  • Allen: you know, i used to believe that antisemitism was a
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  • European problem or an issue in the islamic nations of the
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  • World, but now we see it flourishing in our nation on
  • 00:26:27.035 --> 00:26:30.572
  • Elite college campuses, even amongst the political class, and
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  • Now on the conservative ideological spectrum.
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  • It's troubling.
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  • So, i wrote a book, "supporting israel, how far is too far."
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  • You know, i know we've all got a little battle fatigue with the
  • 00:26:43.485 --> 00:26:46.054
  • Constant conflicts in the middle east and beyond, but what we
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  • Desperately need is a biblical perspective on how to navigate
  • 00:26:49.391 --> 00:26:53.061
  • What's unfolding in our world, and i believe the word of god
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  • Gives that to us with clarity.
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  • So, we put this book together to help you find yourself in a
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  • Place that will bring the blessings of god to your life.
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  • I wanna pray that we'll have his wisdom.
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  • Father, you said when we lack wisdom, we could ask and that
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  • You would give it to us without criticism.
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  • We want to stand with you in what you're accomplishing in the
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  • Earth so that your purposes can come forth.
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  • Holy spirit, give us the discernment we need in jesus's
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  • Name, amen.
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  • ♪♪♪
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