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Doug Batchelor - The Fate of the Lost (Part 1)

June 5, 2025 | S25:E59

Doug Batchelor - The Fate of the Lost (Part 1)
Pastor Doug Batchelor is an energetic speaker of vision and deep spirituality.
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Amazing Facts | Doug Batchelor - The Fate of the Lost (Part 1) | June 5, 2025
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  • Male announcer: coming to you from new york city at
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  • The historic manhattan center, with your host doug batchelor.
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  • Join this exciting journey of discovery as we learn the truth
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  • About bible prophecy, explore the timeless wisdom of god's
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  • Word, and see how it relates to our lives today.
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  • Stay tuned, your "amazing facts" adventure begins now.
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  • Doug batchelor: from the beginning of the bible to the
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  • End of the bible, it talks about two destinations, two destinies:
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  • The saved and the lost.
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  • We talked about christ and the devil, good and evil, light
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  • And darkness.
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  • Jesus said, "if you're not with me, you're against me."
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  • There are two roads, there are two faiths.
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  • You want to be on the winning team, am i right?
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  • Now i don't want you to hyper focus on the losing team, but we
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  • Need to understand because not understanding this affects what
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  • You believe about the reward and the rewarder, and that's why
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  • This subject is such an important subject in our
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  • Study tonight.
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  • You know, i always like to begin with an amazing fact.
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  • A couple of years ago, karen and i, with some friends from the
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  • Amazing facts board, we went to italy and we visited the city
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  • Of pompeii.
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  • It was my second time; first time i went, i was 16 years old.
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  • I was living on a sailboat in the mediterranean, and they've
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  • Done a lot more excavation, i've found, since then.
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  • You probably have heard the story about the cities of
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  • Pompeii and herculaneum, that they're at the base of mount
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  • Vesuvius, a massive volcano in the background.
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  • And even from 62 a.d.
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  • They started noticing that the ground would occasionally
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  • Rumble, and they'd have these earthquakes, and they seemed to
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  • Be having signs that there was some growing activity and
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  • Swelling on the mountain.
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  • For the next 17 years, the signs continued to mount and increase,
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  • But the people in these cities, they didn't seem to worry too
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  • Much about it.
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  • Now, pompeii and herculaneum, pompeii in particular, they were
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  • Something like the las vegas of the roman empire.
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  • In fact, a lot of the soldiers would go there after they served
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  • Their term for r&r.
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  • It was something of a reward.
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  • And so during this 17 years of time, the volcano tremors
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  • Increased, some of the--even springs dried up.
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  • They knew there was a lot of seismic activity, but life went
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  • On day after day, people were just pre-absorbed in their fun,
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  • Their hedonism, pursuit of pleasure, and then the whole
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  • Thing blew.
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  • In 79 a.d.
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  • There was a massive eruption that buried both of the cities
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  • In ash and pumice, and some that were not killed right away, were
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  • Killed by the pyroclastic cloud of superheated gasses that came
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  • Rolling down the mountain like a tsunami, and they were scorched
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  • Alive the first time they inhaled it.
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  • Well, years later, about 1748, 1,600 years later, they did some
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  • Excavations and they started to find the ruins buried under all
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  • Of this ash.
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  • And they noticed that they kept running into these cavities in
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  • The ash, and someone said, "you know, there was probably
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  • Something there."
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  • And so they poured the "plaster of paris" into these cavities
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  • And they found the grizzly truth, that these were the
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  • Hollowed out spaces where people had been.
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  • Their bodies had decomposed other than the bones, and they
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  • Were able to see people all around the city, thousands had
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  • Died in the very positions, in their final writhing deaths,
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  • That the disaster caught them.
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  • It makes us think about another terrible destruction that came
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  • That the bible speaks of.
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  • By the way, just a little side note you may want to
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  • Think about.
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  • Jerusalem had been destroyed by the armies of titus in 70 b.c.
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  • I heard one historian say that hypothetically based on the time
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  • That they served, many of the soldiers that were involved in
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  • The destruction of jerusalem could have been vacationing at
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  • Pompeii when the city was destroyed.
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  • Well, bible kind of compares this to the destruction of
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  • The wicked.
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  • And we're going to go find out what do the people on the
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  • Streets have to say about this subject of hell and the
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  • Punishment of the law.
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  • So let's roll that right now.
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  • Male: i think the purpose of hell is just to let people know
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  • That there's negative repercussions for things that
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  • You do in this world, whether you get punished for it right
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  • Away, like it is coming later on.
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  • So, like, it's a belief system within yourself to be like,
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  • "okay, i'm doing something wrong.
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  • Nobody could see me, but there's a thing coming later on in the
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  • Future that will punish me.
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  • So let me," you know, "watch myself and know that god's
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  • Watching me and," you know, "live a good life."
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  • Female: to scare people away from doing bad things.
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  • Male: the absence of god is hell, and that can be here, that
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  • Can be the afterlife, it can be anywhere.
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  • Female: in christianity specifically, i would say it's
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  • Just, i think there's a lot of fear mongering around it, but i
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  • Think it's also just, i think it's really supposed to be like
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  • A place without god.
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  • I don't think there's a--i think a lot of the talk about it is
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  • Not exactly what the book says, you know?
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  • Male: to ensure that you make decisions that are going to be,
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  • That are not going to negatively impact the people around you.
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  • Female: hell represents a very hot place from my
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  • Religious background.
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  • Male: a place for non-believers that, you know, you go after you
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  • Die if you like, have not done enough good deeds within
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  • Your lifetime.
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  • Male: i think it's a place where like the most evil and wretched
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  • People go.
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  • Male: in the bible it describes hell as, like, a place where
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  • Non-followers of christ go.
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  • Female: i believe hell is a place where all the bad people
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  • Go in the end.
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  • Male: i feel like we're living in hell.
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  • I feel like this is hell right here and heaven is like a place
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  • You'll be at peace.
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  • Female: i don't believe in hell.
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  • Male: according to the word of god, there's a lake of fire,
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  • It's eternal.
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  • Male: i think that hell doesn't exist.
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  • Male: i think hell is everlasting.
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  • Depends on how you spend your life here.
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  • Male: i don't think hell is just straight fire.
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  • There might be some fire in there, but i don't feel like
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  • It's like that.
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  • But there is some type of torture there for sure.
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  • Male: i think hell is definitely a place.
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  • Male: oh yeah, spiritually, yes, it's on fire.
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  • I wouldn't want to go there.
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  • Male: yes, this is a place of fire where you suffer all
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  • For eternity.
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  • Female: i feel like what hell truly is, is your own
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  • Perspective of your own reality of life.
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  • Doug: well, that's interesting.
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  • You know, i actually found that in the answers from the people
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  • On the street, there's a little more unity on this subject than
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  • Some of the others.
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  • You know it's interesting, is virtually every religion in the
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  • World believes that there is some kind of reward.
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  • Even those that believe in reincarnation think if you live
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  • A bad life, you're going to come back as, you know, something
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  • Else, a crocodile or who knows.
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  • But you live a good life, there's a reward.
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  • And almost all religions understand that there are
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  • Consequences for the way that you choose to live your life.
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  • But where do we get our answers?
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  • Interviewing people on the street or is the word of god the
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  • Final arbiter?
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  • We're going to find out what does the bible say on
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  • This subject.
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  • There's a lot of misunderstandings on the subject
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  • Of hell.
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  • First of all, question number one, we're going to go using our
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  • Question answer method.
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  • You've got your lessons. this is lesson number five.
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  • What two cities mentioned in the bible that are sort of infamous,
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  • Are given as an example of the destruction of the wicked?
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  • You can read in 2 peter 2, verse 6, and don't forget, you can
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  • Call out the answers there in the light blue color with me.
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  • "and turning the cities of sodom and gomorrah into ashes, [god]
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  • Condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those
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  • Who afterward would live ungodly."
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  • So if we want to know what is going to happen to the wicked,
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  • God said, "well, what you saw happen to sodom and gomorrah,
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  • They were burnt, they were burnt up."
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  • And you can read here in jude chapter 1, verse 7, "sodom and
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  • Gomorrah, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance
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  • Of eternal fire."
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  • Eternal fire meaning that the results of the fire are eternal.
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  • You're looking at just a google earth map there that shows an
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  • Area where archaeologists believe approximately that
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  • Sodom was.
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  • Now, in case you don't know, the bible describes this if you go
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  • To genesis chapter 19, it tells us that lot and abraham
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  • Were related.
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  • Lot was the nephew of abraham, and they had so many cattle, the
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  • Shepherds were fighting, and they needed to separate to keep
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  • Peace in the family.
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  • And lot cast his eyes towards sodom because it was watered
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  • Like the garden of god.
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  • It was like the garden of eden.
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  • It was lush, it was tropical.
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  • There was an abundance of vegetation for the animals.
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  • And he thought, "you know, i think my flocks will really grow
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  • Down there and things will really prosper."
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  • And his wife said, "you know, they got really good malls in
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  • Sodom," and who knows?
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  • But anyway, they moved down there.
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  • But the bible goes on to say that was not a wise decision
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  • Because the men of sodom were sinners before the
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  • Lord exceedingly.
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  • Now some people are shocked to find out that the bible says,
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  • Before god punished sodom and gomorrah, god saved sodom
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  • And gomorrah.
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  • Did you know that before their great judgment day came, five
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  • Kings from the north, led by an assyrian named chedorlaomer,
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  • They had a confederacy.
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  • They came down and they attacked the kings of sodom and gomorrah,
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  • And four of the other cities of the plain.
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  • And they conquered them and they carried them all away captive,
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  • And lot and his family were carried away in the destruction.
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  • It was a judgment to get their attention, to turn them to
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  • Repentance because god wants everyone to be saved.
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  • And abraham came together with some of the other mighty
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  • Sheikhs, and they went and they delivered them.
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  • They got their soldiers, you know, abraham had an army of 300
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  • Men, over 300.
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  • And they delivered them, they conquered these other kings, and
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  • They rescued all the people from sodom and gomorrah.
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  • They had been saved.
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  • And god was hoping they'd change their ways, but they didn't.
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  • They went back to the old ways and got even worse.
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  • And it got so bad that even when god sent angels to rescue lot
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  • And his family from sodom, that the people in the city wanted to
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  • Abuse the angels.
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  • And finally god said, "flee lest you be consumed, flee from the
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  • Wrath to come."
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  • And he said, "don't even look back."
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  • And the angels took lot and his daughters and his wife by the
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  • Hand, and basically had to pull them out of the city.
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  • And then god reigned upon sodom and gomorrah fire and brimstone
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  • Out of heaven.
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  • Abraham could look from the mountains of hebron towards the
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  • Plain of sodom, by the way, it's the lowest place on the planet,
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  • Did you know that?
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  • 1,300 feet below sea level, the jordan valley.
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  • And it says the smoke of the place went up like a furnace.
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  • Karen and i, you probably just heard in the news a few weeks
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  • Ago, we had a fire up near orville, california.
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  • And karen and i were coming down the road and we could see it
  • 00:12:18.087 --> 00:12:20.589
  • From a distance and it looked like a nuclear explosion.
  • 00:12:20.589 --> 00:12:24.326
  • This campfire was so big, big mushroom cloud.
  • 00:12:24.326 --> 00:12:27.763
  • And god destroyed these cities of the plain with fire from
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  • Before the lord.
  • 00:12:31.801 --> 00:12:33.369
  • And the bible tells us that god is going to ultimately make a
  • 00:12:33.369 --> 00:12:36.505
  • New heaven and new earth, but i want to show you something.
  • 00:12:36.505 --> 00:12:39.074
  • I'm going to bring karen out here.
  • 00:12:39.074 --> 00:12:40.409
  • I want something a little unique that i want to demonstrate.
  • 00:12:40.409 --> 00:12:43.112
  • People think that you got the story of sodom and gomorrah and
  • 00:12:43.112 --> 00:12:46.182
  • That it's just, it's a myth or it's a fairy tale to try and
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  • Teach a lesson.
  • 00:12:50.152 --> 00:12:51.487
  • So i've got, we were just down in masada, or maybe three years
  • 00:12:51.487 --> 00:12:56.525
  • Ago, down in the jordan valley.
  • 00:12:56.525 --> 00:12:58.994
  • And in the area where sodom and gomorrah are believed to be, the
  • 00:12:58.994 --> 00:13:04.266
  • Hills are full of ash, and in the ash they've got these sulfur
  • 00:13:04.266 --> 00:13:10.072
  • Balls that are embedded.
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  • It's the only place in the world that they know of where you can
  • 00:13:12.775 --> 00:13:15.644
  • Find this.
  • 00:13:15.644 --> 00:13:16.979
  • The mountains are embedded with these sulfur balls.
  • 00:13:16.979 --> 00:13:19.515
  • I'm going to get over here, maybe we'll get this on
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  • The camera.
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  • You let me know if you get this focused in.
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  • Oh, see, look at that.
  • 00:13:24.820 --> 00:13:26.155
  • It took off already.
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  • I just touched it for a second with a lighter.
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  • I don't know if you can see that bubbling and smoking.
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  • These are sulfur balls that are embedded in, y'all see
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  • The smoke?
  • 00:13:38.334 --> 00:13:39.702
  • I just snapped it for a second and it took right off.
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  • You don't want to be in sulfur and brimstone.
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  • I'll let you go put that out dear, before the fire department
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  • Shows up, don't put it on the phone.
  • 00:13:47.676 --> 00:13:51.413
  • The reason i go through that is to tell you, this is not a myth.
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  • It really happened, this was real destruction.
  • 00:13:54.683 --> 00:13:58.520
  • There are consequences for sin according to the bible.
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  • Can you say amen?
  • 00:14:02.024 --> 00:14:03.926
  • Question number two--people on the front row probably smell
  • 00:14:03.926 --> 00:14:06.262
  • Rotten eggs right now.
  • 00:14:06.262 --> 00:14:08.364
  • When will the wicked be destroyed in hellfire?
  • 00:14:08.364 --> 00:14:12.067
  • Answer, it says, "the lord knows how to deliver the godly out of
  • 00:14:12.067 --> 00:14:17.406
  • Temptation and how to reserve the unjust under punishment for
  • 00:14:17.406 --> 00:14:21.977
  • The day of judgment."
  • 00:14:21.977 --> 00:14:23.345
  • Now, when we talk about the subject of hellfire, there are a
  • 00:14:23.345 --> 00:14:27.549
  • Couple of extremes.
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  • One group is going to say there's really no such thing.
  • 00:14:28.884 --> 00:14:33.022
  • That it's just there to scare.
  • 00:14:33.022 --> 00:14:34.657
  • Matter of fact, one of the people on the street said, "oh
  • 00:14:34.657 --> 00:14:36.525
  • Yeah, hell it's just there to scare people, and it doesn't
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  • Exist at all."
  • 00:14:39.995 --> 00:14:41.330
  • Some people say then, that it burns forever and ever and
  • 00:14:41.330 --> 00:14:45.067
  • They've got this picture of people burning in hell.
  • 00:14:45.067 --> 00:14:48.704
  • And they say they're in molten fire and brimstone, and they're
  • 00:14:48.704 --> 00:14:53.609
  • Burning and it never stops and they have no relief, how long?
  • 00:14:53.609 --> 00:14:59.748
  • Forever and ever.
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  • Now, i don't know friends if you can comprehend that, what it
  • 00:15:01.116 --> 00:15:04.386
  • Would be like.
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  • I don't know how many of you remember a few years ago when
  • 00:15:05.788 --> 00:15:08.557
  • The us was battling with isis.
  • 00:15:08.557 --> 00:15:11.393
  • A jordanian fighter was shot down, a young pilot.
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  • He was actually the son of someone else i believe that was
  • 00:15:15.698 --> 00:15:17.833
  • In the military.
  • 00:15:17.833 --> 00:15:19.635
  • And he thought he was being involved in the negotiation for
  • 00:15:19.635 --> 00:15:24.039
  • A prisoner swap, but in reality, they brought him out, they
  • 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:27.576
  • Videotaped him, and they took him out in the desert and they
  • 00:15:27.576 --> 00:15:31.780
  • Put him in a cage, a metal cage, no way to escape.
  • 00:15:31.780 --> 00:15:36.385
  • They doused him with gasoline or some incendiary fluid, and with
  • 00:15:36.385 --> 00:15:43.258
  • Their video rolling, they threw a match in and set them on fire.
  • 00:15:43.258 --> 00:15:49.365
  • And then they broadcast this.
  • 00:15:49.365 --> 00:15:52.835
  • They put it up on the internet and showed what they were doing
  • 00:15:52.835 --> 00:15:55.004
  • To this pilot, and it took several minutes for him in
  • 00:15:55.004 --> 00:15:58.640
  • Tremendous agony to die.
  • 00:15:58.640 --> 00:16:01.610
  • And his father was shown that.
  • 00:16:01.610 --> 00:16:05.147
  • Now you and i, we hear that and it just, i can see the
  • 00:16:05.147 --> 00:16:08.217
  • Expressions on your face, it's horrific.
  • 00:16:08.217 --> 00:16:11.687
  • Here's a question, do you believe that our heavenly father
  • 00:16:11.687 --> 00:16:17.459
  • Would take the objects of his creation that were made in his
  • 00:16:17.459 --> 00:16:21.130
  • Image, that are born with some natural propensity to sin, and
  • 00:16:21.130 --> 00:16:25.868
  • If we do not manage to overcome, he says, "if you don't love me,
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  • I'm going to burn you.
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  • But i'm not just going to burn you, i'm going to burn
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  • You forever."
  • 00:16:32.274 --> 00:16:34.109
  • You know, the bible doesn't teach that.
  • 00:16:34.109 --> 00:16:36.245
  • The bible does teach there's a hell, just like there was sodom
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  • And gomorrah, they were punished.
  • 00:16:39.681 --> 00:16:41.283
  • The bible teaches the wicked are burnt in hell.
  • 00:16:41.283 --> 00:16:43.952
  • Now here's the question, when does that happen?
  • 00:16:43.952 --> 00:16:46.855
  • What did we just read?
  • 00:16:46.855 --> 00:16:48.390
  • It says, "the lord knows how to deliver the godly out of
  • 00:16:48.390 --> 00:16:50.959
  • Temptation and to reserve," you ever reserve a table at
  • 00:16:50.959 --> 00:16:54.163
  • A restaurant?
  • 00:16:54.163 --> 00:16:56.031
  • That means you'll hold it until you get there, right?
  • 00:16:56.031 --> 00:16:59.401
  • So if god is reserving the wicked for the day of judgment,
  • 00:16:59.401 --> 00:17:02.905
  • How many people are burning in hell right now?
  • 00:17:02.905 --> 00:17:06.008
  • Is the judgment day passed or is it future?
  • 00:17:06.008 --> 00:17:09.545
  • It's pretty clear.
  • 00:17:09.545 --> 00:17:10.879
  • Jesus said the judgment day, the last day he calls it, the
  • 00:17:10.879 --> 00:17:14.249
  • Judgment day is in the future.
  • 00:17:14.249 --> 00:17:15.684
  • People are not burning in hell before the judgment day.
  • 00:17:15.684 --> 00:17:19.354
  • And does everybody burn forever?
  • 00:17:19.354 --> 00:17:22.491
  • Doesn't the bible say there are varying degrees of rewards?
  • 00:17:22.491 --> 00:17:26.495
  • If there are varying degrees of rewards, how fair would it be if
  • 00:17:26.495 --> 00:17:29.832
  • Some teenager that, you know, they misbehaved, they live the
  • 00:17:29.832 --> 00:17:33.469
  • Wrong kind of life, and they die lost, and they're going to burn
  • 00:17:33.469 --> 00:17:36.839
  • As long as stalin and hitler?
  • 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.976
  • That one didn't seem very just.
  • 00:17:40.976 --> 00:17:42.978
  • I wanted to just stir up your pure minds and have you think,
  • 00:17:42.978 --> 00:17:45.514
  • And we're going to give you a scripture for everything we say.
  • 00:17:45.514 --> 00:17:47.916
  • Now i know there's some difficult verses, we're going to
  • 00:17:47.916 --> 00:17:50.419
  • Answer them all.
  • 00:17:50.419 --> 00:17:51.787
  • We're not afraid of any scriptures, amen?
  • 00:17:51.787 --> 00:17:54.256
  • When are they judged?
  • 00:17:54.256 --> 00:17:55.624
  • "the word that i have spoken will judge him," in when?
  • 00:17:55.624 --> 00:17:59.428
  • "the last day."
  • 00:17:59.428 --> 00:18:00.929
  • Let's talk about the day of the lord, the judgment day.
  • 00:18:00.929 --> 00:18:03.599
  • And again, jesus tells a parable in matthew 13, talking about the
  • 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:08.570
  • Separating the wheat and the tares, and it says, in the end
  • 00:18:08.570 --> 00:18:11.740
  • Of the world, the angels will go forth, they will gather the
  • 00:18:11.740 --> 00:18:15.344
  • Weed, the tares in bundles and burn them.
  • 00:18:15.344 --> 00:18:18.213
  • When does it happen?
  • 00:18:18.213 --> 00:18:19.715
  • "at the end of this age.
  • 00:18:19.715 --> 00:18:23.318
  • The son of man will send out his angels.
  • 00:18:23.318 --> 00:18:25.387
  • They will gather together those who practice lawlessness, and
  • 00:18:25.387 --> 00:18:28.957
  • Cast them into a furnace of fire."
  • 00:18:28.957 --> 00:18:31.693
  • Now, is it pretty clear from the teachings of jesus that there is
  • 00:18:31.693 --> 00:18:34.997
  • A punishment?
  • 00:18:34.997 --> 00:18:36.899
  • What do you think, yes?
  • 00:18:36.899 --> 00:18:39.034
  • Is it pretty clear from the teaching of jesus that there is
  • 00:18:39.034 --> 00:18:42.571
  • Going to be fire involved in that?
  • 00:18:42.571 --> 00:18:45.841
  • Yes, absolutely.
  • 00:18:45.841 --> 00:18:47.176
  • Number three, if the wicked who have died are not in hell yet,
  • 00:18:47.176 --> 00:18:54.216
  • Where are they?
  • 00:18:54.216 --> 00:18:56.285
  • Are they in limbo?
  • 00:18:56.285 --> 00:18:57.953
  • Are they in purgatory?
  • 00:18:57.953 --> 00:19:00.722
  • Are they in, you know, some medium place?
  • 00:19:00.722 --> 00:19:05.027
  • Abraham's bosom, some say, what does the bible say?
  • 00:19:05.027 --> 00:19:07.896
  • Jesus said, john 5, 28 and 29, "the hour is coming."
  • 00:19:07.896 --> 00:19:12.100
  • When he says he's coming, does that mean past or future?
  • 00:19:12.100 --> 00:19:15.404
  • "the hour is coming in which all that are," where are they?
  • 00:19:15.404 --> 00:19:19.441
  • "in the graves will hear his voice and come forth...those
  • 00:19:19.441 --> 00:19:24.513
  • That have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation."
  • 00:19:24.513 --> 00:19:28.650
  • Do you know the bible teaches there are two resurrections.
  • 00:19:28.650 --> 00:19:32.187
  • The bible tells us there is a resurrection of the just, the
  • 00:19:32.187 --> 00:19:35.424
  • Dead in christ rise first, that's up.
  • 00:19:35.424 --> 00:19:38.460
  • If you've got a first resurrection, what does
  • 00:19:38.460 --> 00:19:39.962
  • That mean?
  • 00:19:39.962 --> 00:19:41.396
  • Somewhere you got a, what?
  • 00:19:41.396 --> 00:19:42.931
  • A second, first is a sequential word.
  • 00:19:42.931 --> 00:19:46.368
  • No sense saying first if there's nothing else.
  • 00:19:46.368 --> 00:19:49.438
  • Says there's a first resurrection, and the rest of
  • 00:19:49.438 --> 00:19:52.274
  • The dead live not again until the thousand years are finished.
  • 00:19:52.274 --> 00:19:55.077
  • This is revelation chapter 20.
  • 00:19:55.077 --> 00:19:57.145
  • So if the dead in christ are first, who are the rest of
  • 00:19:57.145 --> 00:19:59.481
  • The dead?
  • 00:19:59.481 --> 00:20:01.283
  • Those out of christ, the lost.
  • 00:20:01.283 --> 00:20:03.885
  • Jesus said they are where?
  • 00:20:03.885 --> 00:20:05.587
  • In their graves.
  • 00:20:05.587 --> 00:20:08.257
  • Now that is so important, because there are some people
  • 00:20:08.257 --> 00:20:10.959
  • That believe they have loved ones that have died lost, they
  • 00:20:10.959 --> 00:20:14.696
  • Believe that they are down right now burning in, you know, people
  • 00:20:14.696 --> 00:20:19.101
  • Believe that hell's got a torture chamber down there
  • 00:20:19.101 --> 00:20:22.237
  • Somewhere, and there are people who are burning.
  • 00:20:22.237 --> 00:20:25.641
  • I remember going through the line in a supermarket and i saw
  • 00:20:25.641 --> 00:20:29.378
  • One of these tabloid magazines.
  • 00:20:29.378 --> 00:20:32.114
  • They got pretty outrageous coverage.
  • 00:20:32.114 --> 00:20:33.448
  • You have to laugh sometimes.
  • 00:20:33.448 --> 00:20:35.784
  • And it said, "well drillers in siberia go too deep,
  • 00:20:35.784 --> 00:20:40.322
  • Demons escape."
  • 00:20:40.322 --> 00:20:43.725
  • And they say they've actually drilled into hell and the demons
  • 00:20:43.725 --> 00:20:48.363
  • Are escaping.
  • 00:20:48.363 --> 00:20:50.165
  • And i suppose there's some people who believe that.
  • 00:20:50.165 --> 00:20:52.801
  • But that's not what the bible teaches.
  • 00:20:52.801 --> 00:20:54.936
  • They're in their graves, again, another verse for you.
  • 00:20:54.936 --> 00:20:57.439
  • Job 21, verse 30 and 32.
  • 00:20:57.439 --> 00:21:00.309
  • "the wicked are reserved for the day of doom...he will be brought
  • 00:21:00.309 --> 00:21:04.313
  • To the," where?
  • 00:21:04.313 --> 00:21:05.881
  • "the grave, and a vigil kept over the tomb."
  • 00:21:05.881 --> 00:21:09.051
  • It says they're in their graves, they're in the tomb, they're
  • 00:21:09.051 --> 00:21:12.921
  • Brought to their graves, they're waiting for the judgment day.
  • 00:21:12.921 --> 00:21:16.992
  • You know, i believe there are folks that have been driven to
  • 00:21:16.992 --> 00:21:19.394
  • The point of insanity thinking that someone they love died and
  • 00:21:19.394 --> 00:21:23.498
  • While they walk the earth, these people are writhing and
  • 00:21:23.498 --> 00:21:26.034
  • Screaming and shrieking in the flames.
  • 00:21:26.034 --> 00:21:29.738
  • I was listening years ago to a christian radio station.
  • 00:21:29.738 --> 00:21:36.011
  • And the people would call in bible questions.
  • 00:21:36.011 --> 00:21:39.748
  • And the bible questions were all across the board.
  • 00:21:39.748 --> 00:21:42.951
  • I mean, the station had some good music and they'd read the
  • 00:21:42.951 --> 00:21:45.287
  • Bible, the good things, but when this guy came on and started
  • 00:21:45.287 --> 00:21:47.456
  • Answering questions, i had real issues with him.
  • 00:21:47.456 --> 00:21:50.892
  • And i remember hearing one time a mother called, and you could
  • 00:21:50.892 --> 00:21:54.363
  • Tell from the cracking in her voice that she was obviously in
  • 00:21:54.363 --> 00:21:57.099
  • A lot of grief.
  • 00:21:57.099 --> 00:21:59.334
  • And she said, "brother so and so," talking to the pastor, the
  • 00:21:59.334 --> 00:22:02.070
  • Host of the program.
  • 00:22:02.070 --> 00:22:03.572
  • She said, "my son died a few days ago instantly in a
  • 00:22:03.572 --> 00:22:08.210
  • Car accident.
  • 00:22:08.210 --> 00:22:09.878
  • He made no profession of believing in god.
  • 00:22:09.878 --> 00:22:12.214
  • He was living an ungodly life, and i've just got to know, is he
  • 00:22:12.214 --> 00:22:15.484
  • Burning in hell right now?"
  • 00:22:15.484 --> 00:22:17.886
  • Well first he tried to skirt the question.
  • 00:22:17.886 --> 00:22:20.389
  • She said, "no, no, i'm just telling you that if there's any
  • 00:22:20.389 --> 00:22:23.658
  • Evidence at all that a person was lost, he just cursed god and
  • 00:22:23.658 --> 00:22:27.829
  • Lived a wicked life, and he ran into a tree and died instantly.
  • 00:22:27.829 --> 00:22:31.733
  • Is he burning in hell?"
  • 00:22:31.733 --> 00:22:34.236
  • And finally, after trying to evade a direct answer, he said,
  • 00:22:34.236 --> 00:22:37.139
  • "well, you know, according to the bible, if he died without
  • 00:22:37.139 --> 00:22:39.441
  • Christ, then next stop without passing go is he's in hell,
  • 00:22:39.441 --> 00:22:44.546
  • In hellfire."
  • 00:22:44.546 --> 00:22:46.982
  • And how long will he be there?
  • 00:22:46.982 --> 00:22:49.684
  • Forever, now, have you ever thought about how forever, how
  • 00:22:49.684 --> 00:22:54.289
  • Long that is?
  • 00:22:54.289 --> 00:22:56.258
  • That means that if a person dies and they are burning in
  • 00:22:56.258 --> 00:22:59.161
  • Hell--you ever burn yourself for a minute?
  • 00:22:59.161 --> 00:23:03.799
  • A person dies and they're in hell, that means a million years
  • 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:08.270
  • From now, you try to swim to the surface and call out for help,
  • 00:23:08.270 --> 00:23:12.908
  • And god says, "you still haven't begun."
  • 00:23:12.908 --> 00:23:15.410
  • You never reach the beginning.
  • 00:23:15.410 --> 00:23:17.846
  • You never stop feeling the agony and the misery and the
  • 00:23:17.846 --> 00:23:21.550
  • Shrieking, intense, burning pain forever, and ever, and ever for
  • 00:23:21.550 --> 00:23:26.988
  • The sins of one lifetime.
  • 00:23:26.988 --> 00:23:29.524
  • How long is 80, 90 years compared to eternity?
  • 00:23:29.524 --> 00:23:34.663
  • It's nonexistent.
  • 00:23:34.663 --> 00:23:37.199
  • To burn a person forever, and ever, and ever, and ever, for
  • 00:23:37.199 --> 00:23:43.638
  • This minuscule life, please explain the justice.
  • 00:23:43.638 --> 00:23:47.042
  • And when you ask some pastors that say, "well, you know, who
  • 00:23:47.042 --> 00:23:49.744
  • Are we, we don't understand how bad sin is, and he's god and
  • 00:23:49.744 --> 00:23:53.215
  • That's the punishment."
  • 00:23:53.215 --> 00:23:55.584
  • Now, let me get you to think about something, friends,
  • 00:23:55.584 --> 00:23:57.752
  • Be honest.
  • 00:23:57.752 --> 00:23:59.788
  • How many of you would admit that as humans, all sin and fall
  • 00:23:59.788 --> 00:24:04.359
  • Short of the glory of god?
  • 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:06.194
  • Bible says all, we've all sinned.
  • 00:24:06.194 --> 00:24:08.296
  • We all kind of have a natural bent to sin, and to then torture
  • 00:24:08.296 --> 00:24:13.768
  • A person through eternity that you've created, you ostensibly
  • 00:24:13.768 --> 00:24:18.106
  • Love, and you are a just god, forever and ever, for the sins
  • 00:24:18.106 --> 00:24:24.012
  • Of a very brief life, does that make sense?
  • 00:24:24.012 --> 00:24:29.784
  • It's not biblical, i'm going to show you from the bible, amen?
  • 00:24:29.784 --> 00:24:33.822
  • First of all, nobody's burning yet.
  • 00:24:33.822 --> 00:24:35.223
  • Number 4, what are the only two choices for all people?
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  • That's why this is an important subject.
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  • The bible says, jesus said, "for god so loved the world, he gave
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  • His only begotten son, that whoever believes in him should
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  • Not," do what?
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  • "perish but have everlasting"--what are the
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  • Two choices?
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  • Life or perish?
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  • Perish means you cease to exist.
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  • When you go to the market and you buy things that are
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  • Perishable, that means you better get them in the
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  • Refrigerator or eat them quickly, because they're
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  • Going to perish.
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  • They do not last.
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  • What did god say to adam and eve?
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  • If you eat the forbidden fruit, you will surely die.
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  • There are two choices, friends, you've got life or death.
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  • Death is the absence of life.
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  • God did not say you've got eternal life in heaven or
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  • Eternal life burning, isn't that right?
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  • Moses, before he died, he stood before the children of israel.
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  • He said, i set before you this day two options: life, good,
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  • Blessing; death, evil, cursing.
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  • Choose life.
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  • Doug: friends, i hope you've been blessed by today's message,
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  • But really the reason we do this is so that people might
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  • Know christ.
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  • You know, information is not going to save us, it's a
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  • Relationship with jesus, the one who died on the cross for
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  • Your sins.
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  • You must personally accept him, and that's the most important
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  • Thing and why we do these programs.
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  • If you've not asked him into your heart before, then i'd
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  • Encourage you to do it right now.
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  • His arms are open wide.
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  • Just come to him as you are and ask him.
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  • Make sure and join us for part two in our next broadcast for
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