The calling to change the world begins with a surrendered heart. Throughout Biblical history, we find women who audaciously asked God for big things—and He answered! Today, our lives should be marked by using the gifts He has given us to answer His call. | TBN Prayer Line: 714-731-1000
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Better Together | Called to Surrender - Episode 1085 | August 8, 2025
- Our success as women in leadership and ministry is not
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- About a man giving us a free pass to stand on the stage.
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- Our success,
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- It comes from surrender to the god that gave it to us in the
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- First place.
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- I grew up catholic.
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- It was a tiny black catholic church in houston, texas.
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- And, you know, i said this when kristi, you asked us about
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- Just what men in our lives have
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- Just kind of like influenced us.
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- And for me, it's been my dad.
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- You know, i mean, he just if there were any glass ceilings,
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- I didn't see him because he just was going through that
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- Thing, like bop, bop, bop.
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- My daughter's coming through, and she's going to be an altar
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- Girl in the catholic church,
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- And she's going to do the readings.
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- And i remember, um, getting up on the altar, as, i mean, i
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- Think it was like an elementary middle school literally reading
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- Scripture in church, just completely unaware of what the
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- Lord was doing in my life.
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- And i remember every morning i
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- Used to say, good morning, church.
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- And in the little miv and the little
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- Church. like, i can just remember it.
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- And everyone's like, good morning.
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- What is even happening?
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- Because in, you know, in
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- Catholicism there's a lot of rules.
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- Sure. and, um, after that service, the
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- Priest came up to me and said, hey, i think you're doing a
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- Great job.
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- You can't say good morning, you can't address the people.
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- This is about god's word.
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- It's not about you.
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- And, um, i so i told my parents, i was like, i can't
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- Say good morning anymore.
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- I have to be very straightforward.
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- And i remember my daddy,
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- He literally, after church walked up the altar all through
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- The priest area, went to the back.
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- I'm not really sure what the conversation was like.
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- I'm assuming a glass ceiling
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- Was broken and he comes back out.
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- We get in the car and he said, you can say good morning
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- Whenever you want to.
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- And i was like, okay.
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- And i was like, are you sure?
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- But they said, no, but--
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- And my dad said, no.
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- You address the people.
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- These are god's people.
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- You talk to them, you honor them and you honor the lord.
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- And it is what it is.
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- And my dad was that way for me for years, and it didn't dawn
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- On me what my dad was doing that he quite literally was
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- Breaking glass ceilings that he didn't even want me to see
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- Until i went to an event called the women's speaker collective
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- With danielle strickland.
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- And she's an amazing leader in canada, and she has so many
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- Great initiatives, but she's got this one organization
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- Called the women's speaker collective, and i was so
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- Excited about it because i'm
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- Like, i've been speaking for a while.
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- I was a youth pastor.
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- All the things i'm like, i'm
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- Going to be in this room of women.
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- We're going to be empowered.
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- It's going to be awesome.
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- And the first activity that they do is this little survey.
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- And on the survey i'm like, okay, let me see.
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- It's just yes or no columns.
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- And the questions are like, if you've ever been discriminated
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- Against because you're a woman in the church, check yes or no.
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- If you've ever not gotten a position in ministry or in
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- Leadership because you're a woman, yes or no.
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- If you've ever felt like the lord does not support the
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- Calling that you believe he gave you in the first place,
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- Yes or no?
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- And i'm sitting on my little table like, this is crazy.
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- What are they even talking about?
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- And i'm like, no, no, no, no.
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- I feel fully supported.
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- My dad has always supported my voice.
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- I've never known any oppression, discrimination.
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- I don't know what y'all are talking about.
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- And we fold up our little cards, and we put them in this
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- Bucket in the middle of our table.
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- And you're supposed to grab one that's not yours.
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- And we open them up.
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- And danielle leads us in this moment where she's like, when i
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- Asked the question, if your
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- Card says yes, i want you to stand.
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- And one by one, i mean the first question.
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- If you've ever been discriminated against or
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- Oppressed because you're a woman in the church and this
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- Checkbox says, yes, stand up, everyone stands up in the room
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- Except for one human being.
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- And it's the woman that got my card.
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- Yeah.
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- And i literally am sitting on this table looking around at
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- These women, and they're broken.
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- Um, and i'm a little embarrassed because i'm like,
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- Well, i feel sorry for the woman that got my card because
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- I haven't experienced this type of pain.
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- I don't even know what's going on.
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- And i just feel so embarrassed that i'm so ignorant that i, i
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- Really couldn't have empathy for that pain because i
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- Didn't know it.
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- I couldn't feel--
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- And i mean, women are crying.
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- They're being set free.
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- And it's just this beautiful experience.
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- And i remember from that day forward, i made it my point, my
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- Mission to understand that pain.
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- Yeah. because just because i haven't experienced oppression,
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- Because of the gender that the lord gave me, doesn't mean that
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- It isn't true and real.
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- It means that i'm ignorant to it.
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- And i need to fix that so i can fully understand it.
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- Because here i am, bopping on stages, and there may be
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- Conversations about me that i am completely unaware of
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- Because i just don't know.
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- And i had a couple of friends in the room, and one of the
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- Women say to me, i just want you to know that i left that
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- Collective, that retreat, like feeling like no human on this
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- Entire earth gets to have my calling.
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- She was like, toni, like, i know you probably feel so sorry
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- For all the women in that room, but i just need you to know
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- That that set us free to know
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- That no one gets to have my calling.
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- Not the one that the lord gave me.
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- Feminine boldness and courage, i think, is necessary for us to
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- Just wake up each and every
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- Morning and agree to get in the game.
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- You know, i pray that we would wake up in the mornings and our
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- Feminine voices would be like, lord, put us out there.
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- Let us take you by the hand.
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- Let us trust you.
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- And it's kind of like anything else.
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- If only our brothers are out there and we're lagging back,
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- The fullness of the family of god is not made known.
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- But it's when men are fully alive and fully awake, and
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- Women are fully alive and fully awake together, living, moving,
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- And have our being in the world is the family of god that we
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- Truly do see the kingdom of god moving and flowing like a
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- Beautiful river.
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- Now, i am fully aware that our success as women and leadership
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- And ministry is not about a man giving us a free pass to stand
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- On a stage.
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- Our success truly and genuinely
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- Does not come from an invitation.
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- It comes from surrender to the god that gave it to us in the
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- First place.
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- Today is going to be not us proving anything right, but us
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- Maybe empowering and encouraging women that actually
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- We get to stand in the full power of our calling.
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- And because we're no longer orphans, we can surrender it
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- Freely to the god who's in charge.
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- Yeah, right.
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- I just wonder, maybe in your stories, when you had the
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- Moment where something clicked to you like, oh no, no, the
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- Lord has called me and now i
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- Don't have to hold on to my calling.
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- I can surrender it.
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- I think my moment was, um, i've done a couple of things right,
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- Like gospel recording artist, teacher, preacher, and then
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- Right around the end of 2020, heading into 2021.
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- And i felt like the lord was asking me to come on board with
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- This nonprofit called porter's call in nashville.
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- It's a counseling center for
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- Recording artists, which is fantastic.
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- And i thought you.
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- You want me to do that, lord?
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- Like one.
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- I'm terrible.
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- I believe in counseling, and it has been very beneficial in my
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- Life, so i don't want to mess anybody up.
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- And so i started to ask god, like, what does this have to do
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- With what i thought you asked me to do kind of thing?
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- And how do i own that?
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- Because i'm clear that you're asking me to do this, but i
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- Never would have planned it for myself.
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- And i don't know how it ties into other things.
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- And it was through that experience that i started to
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- Realize in the room, one on one with people, it felt just as
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- Good to see the light of healing come on in one person's
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- Eyes as it did standing and singing--
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- Amen.
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- In a whole room with however many people.
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- And the lord really started to illuminate for me that it's
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- Because i've asked you to heal.
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- And whether that's through singing or walking people
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- Through scripture so that they understand that i care enough
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- About them to heal them, or listening to somebody's story
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- One on one and giving, asking the right questions at the
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- Right time that i give you so that then i can move in and
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- Bring healing to them.
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- I've asked you to heal.
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- And so it it's that was the first time i took ownership of
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- That moment.
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- And i realized it's not an activity.
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- So if the lord--
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- When i was a seventh grade math teacher in the bronx, it was
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- The same thing.
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- I was singing to those kids on fridays and it's doing
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- Something in them, and i'm
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- Still in contact with those kids.
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- So it's like-- wow.
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- That's when he said it's because of what i've, what i've
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- Really purposed you to do.
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- That's it is less about an activity and more about a
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- Gifting that i've put inside of you.
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- I think also as i live into my calling and gain confidence, it
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- Happens because others around me observe.
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- Yeah, you can do this.
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- And they encourage me and support me.
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- So likewise, i try to do that with others that as they are
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- Stepping out and taking risks, i want to stand beside them.
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- I want to encourage them as well.
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- We can't do this on our own.
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- Uh, the lord brings others into our world that support us as
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- We, each of us step out to see what, uh, what new adventure
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- Sure god has for his honor and
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- Glory that he might be lifted up.
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- Calling is if you have put your hope in jesus christ and you
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- Are leaning into the unconditional love of jesus
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- Christ, then your life is your calling.
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- That's right.
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- All of us are ambassadors in new covenant.
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- I so resonate with janice.
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- I because i feel like i get recalled.
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- Yes. right.
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- Yes. i was i was at a conference, small event a
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- Couple of months ago, and and i didn't want to be there.
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- I was just worn out.
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- Yeah. well, at the end of the event, we were--
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- It was kind of a team teaching thing.
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- At the end of the event, it was right before christmas,
- 00:10:51.941 --> 00:10:54.610
- Um, maybe 500 women there, she said, you know, instead of just
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- Saying we're going to pray for each other,
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- Um, we're going to practice intercessory prayer now.
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- And she said, we're going in the christmas season.
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- She framed that.
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- She said, if you're lonely--
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- Mhm.
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- Would you stand and and i love it when we do that.
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- I love it when we don't wear spanx with god or each other.
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- And but, you know, sometimes in when you've got a bunch of
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- Women in a room together and they look like they have it all
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- Together, sometimes it takes a while to, to be authentic.
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- And so many women started standing up and there was a
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- Woman about from me to doctor cohick.
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- And i mean, the moment she stood up, it's like the dam
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- Broke and she just began to sob.
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- And i thought, well, i don't
- 00:11:37.853 --> 00:11:39.955
- Have much, but i can hug like a boss.
- 00:11:39.955 --> 00:11:43.025
- That's right.
- 00:11:43.025 --> 00:11:43.759
- And so i thought, she doesn't
- 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:44.693
- Need to be standing up by herself.
- 00:11:44.693 --> 00:11:46.529
- And so i just grabbed this woman in this bear hug, and, i
- 00:11:46.529 --> 00:11:49.498
- Mean, she just falls apart in my arms.
- 00:11:49.498 --> 00:11:53.536
- Well, i know the girl who's praying.
- 00:11:53.536 --> 00:11:55.671
- Christy nockels.
- 00:11:55.671 --> 00:11:56.672
- Y'all know christy and christy's just--
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- Oh, she's just so sweet and so
- 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:00.075
- Kind, but she's she's kind of contemplative.
- 00:12:00.075 --> 00:12:02.645
- She's not that long a prayer.
- 00:12:02.645 --> 00:12:05.014
- So i'm thinking, you know, be 3 or 4 minute prayer.
- 00:12:05.014 --> 00:12:07.917
- Well, christy prays.
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- 37 seconds later.
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- 17 minutes, you know.
- 00:12:10.419 --> 00:12:12.254
- And after, like, three minutes, it's gotten a little awkward
- 00:12:12.254 --> 00:12:15.024
- Because this woman and i are now swapping sweat because the
- 00:12:15.024 --> 00:12:19.728
- Event was packed.
- 00:12:19.728 --> 00:12:20.896
- I'm against the riser where the stage is.
- 00:12:20.896 --> 00:12:24.033
- And she's on the first row, and we literally can't extricate
- 00:12:24.033 --> 00:12:27.837
- Ourselves from each other.
- 00:12:27.837 --> 00:12:28.938
- And it's almost funny, you
- 00:12:28.938 --> 00:12:31.140
- Know, because you're like, we are--
- 00:12:31.140 --> 00:12:32.908
- We are chest to chest.
- 00:12:32.908 --> 00:12:34.577
- I mean, we are just sealed top to bottom.
- 00:12:34.577 --> 00:12:37.580
- So i kind of lean my head back because i want to just-- i mean,
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- I love hugging, but i thought this poor woman's like, is this
- 00:12:40.683 --> 00:12:43.552
- Lady ever going to let me go?
- 00:12:43.552 --> 00:12:45.688
- But she was still crying, so i kind of leaned my head back
- 00:12:45.688 --> 00:12:48.390
- Just to inject a little levity, and she went, i'm so sorry.
- 00:12:48.390 --> 00:12:53.229
- And i said, oh no, no, no, no, this is the body of christ.
- 00:12:53.229 --> 00:12:55.698
- No, we're supposed to cry with each other.
- 00:12:55.698 --> 00:12:58.133
- I said, no, that she goes, no, i'm sorry.
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- And i said, no.
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- It's been my-- i think she's
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- She's apologizing because she's crying.
- 00:13:04.073 --> 00:13:05.507
- And she goes, no, i got snot in your hair.
- 00:13:05.507 --> 00:13:09.979
- Yeah. and i kind of was like, oh, and it was a--
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- It was like,
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- It was a lot.
- 00:13:15.384 --> 00:13:16.318
- And then i had to go up to pray with--
- 00:13:16.318 --> 00:13:18.020
- Snot right there.
- 00:13:18.020 --> 00:13:18.988
- The residue of her heartache in my hair.
- 00:13:18.988 --> 00:13:21.023
- And that night i was washing my hair and i thought, you know, i
- 00:13:21.023 --> 00:13:25.761
- Thought i travel--
- 00:13:25.761 --> 00:13:27.196
- Yeah.
- 00:13:27.196 --> 00:13:28.397
- 150 days a year, and i'm at 50, 60 conferences a year.
- 00:13:28.397 --> 00:13:34.103
- And i thought the holiest thing i've done in years.
- 00:13:34.103 --> 00:13:37.306
- Right. that woman is to be close enough to another image
- 00:13:37.306 --> 00:13:41.210
- Bearer that the residue of her heartache got in my hair.
- 00:13:41.210 --> 00:13:44.480
- Do you know the coolest thing?
- 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.582
- I'm part of this neighborhood bible study.
- 00:13:46.582 --> 00:13:49.551
- That precious saint and i are in bible study now together.
- 00:13:49.551 --> 00:13:53.322
- Oh my word.
- 00:13:53.322 --> 00:13:54.223
- I'd never met her before.
- 00:13:54.223 --> 00:13:55.658
- And you know, i sit with her every tuesday, and both of us
- 00:13:55.658 --> 00:13:58.560
- Every tuesday get teary when we see each other because we're
- 00:13:58.560 --> 00:14:01.096
- Like, how good is our god? yeah.
- 00:14:01.096 --> 00:14:04.500
- My that he he weaves us into real relationships.
- 00:14:04.500 --> 00:14:08.003
- The body of christ is not a metaphor.
- 00:14:08.003 --> 00:14:10.606
- And any time you've got a stage and you've got a microphone,
- 00:14:10.606 --> 00:14:13.742
- You've got lights, somebody put eyelashes on me,
- 00:14:13.742 --> 00:14:16.145
- There's a level of performative to that.
- 00:14:16.145 --> 00:14:19.381
- But you strip that away and all of us, we just want to be
- 00:14:19.381 --> 00:14:26.021
- In a family.
- 00:14:26.021 --> 00:14:27.156
- He puts the-- we want to be--
- 00:14:27.156 --> 00:14:28.524
- He puts the lonely families.
- 00:14:28.524 --> 00:14:29.458
- We want to be loved by god who
- 00:14:29.458 --> 00:14:31.126
- Knows everything and loves us anyway.
- 00:14:31.126 --> 00:14:33.829
- Jesus, if there's not a white chalk mark around my body, as
- 00:14:33.829 --> 00:14:37.499
- Chris caine always says, i hope i'm shaped enough like you
- 00:14:37.499 --> 00:14:41.904
- Today, that people can get the residue of their heartache in
- 00:14:41.904 --> 00:14:45.574
- My hair and me in them, and we can wobble toward him together.
- 00:14:45.574 --> 00:14:50.045
- And so i just-- let's not make calling elitist.
- 00:14:50.045 --> 00:14:54.016
- Let's make calling,
- 00:14:54.016 --> 00:14:56.051
- Are you okay?
- 00:14:56.051 --> 00:14:57.486
- If not, can i grab a corner of your mat and carry you to the roof
- 00:14:57.486 --> 00:15:00.055
- And lower you to jesus? and i'm not.
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- Okay. will you carry mine?
- 00:15:01.523 --> 00:15:02.958
- It's-- and even that gets back to men and women.
- 00:15:02.958 --> 00:15:05.961
- Yeah. brothers and sisters, let's-- man,
- 00:15:05.961 --> 00:15:08.864
- Let's lean more fully into jesus together.
- 00:15:08.864 --> 00:15:12.001
- I think women and men can support each other in walking
- 00:15:12.001 --> 00:15:14.903
- Out their god-given callings, by
- 00:15:14.903 --> 00:15:19.008
- Seeing one another, by seeing one another, and also being
- 00:15:19.008 --> 00:15:24.380
- Confident in who god has made each of them.
- 00:15:24.380 --> 00:15:27.483
- I find that when i am most confident, i'm able to see
- 00:15:27.483 --> 00:15:31.387
- Other people more clearly.
- 00:15:31.387 --> 00:15:33.088
- You know, when i'm focused on my own insecurities, then you
- 00:15:33.088 --> 00:15:37.526
- Know what i see out there is more of a projection.
- 00:15:37.526 --> 00:15:40.195
- But when i'm confident in who god has called me to be, made
- 00:15:40.195 --> 00:15:43.932
- Me to be, then i see other people and all of a sudden i
- 00:15:43.932 --> 00:15:48.303
- Can walk with and support other people.
- 00:15:48.303 --> 00:15:50.939
- So i think it's about being confident that i am who god
- 00:15:50.939 --> 00:15:54.209
- Says i am.
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- You know, if fear is holding you back from your calling,
- 00:16:22.238 --> 00:16:26.009
- From surrendering it to the lord, i just want to tell you
- 00:16:26.009 --> 00:16:29.112
- That he is enough.
- 00:16:29.112 --> 00:16:32.449
- That maybe if you didn't get another opportunity, if they
- 00:16:32.449 --> 00:16:36.352
- Didn't call you for the job, that god is still enough, that
- 00:16:36.352 --> 00:16:40.657
- His presence alone is enough.
- 00:16:40.657 --> 00:16:44.561
- And i think when we believe that with every fiber of our
- 00:16:44.561 --> 00:16:47.664
- Being, any opportunity that he gives to us, any little thing
- 00:16:47.664 --> 00:16:53.303
- Will be a privilege to you instead of a promise.
- 00:16:53.303 --> 00:16:57.774
- It'll just be a privilege that we get to do the little things
- 00:16:57.774 --> 00:17:00.610
- That god gives us.
- 00:17:00.610 --> 00:17:01.811
- And i think that only comes when us being obedient and
- 00:17:01.811 --> 00:17:04.514
- Surrendering our calling to him.
- 00:17:04.514 --> 00:17:06.850
- When i think of calling, i think in a way every follower
- 00:17:10.420 --> 00:17:13.990
- Of jesus is calling is the same.
- 00:17:13.990 --> 00:17:16.226
- It's to wake up every morning and say yes to him again.
- 00:17:16.226 --> 00:17:18.862
- That's it.
- 00:17:18.862 --> 00:17:19.596
- I want to get in the river with
- 00:17:19.596 --> 00:17:20.530
- You again today and and walk it out.
- 00:17:20.530 --> 00:17:24.067
- And for me, i'll just say, toni, you're asking about,
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- Like, a moment.
- 00:17:27.737 --> 00:17:28.972
- Yeah, i think for me, because fear is my achilles heel.
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- Okay.
- 00:17:32.675 --> 00:17:33.943
- Fear will be the thing that will cause me to miss some of
- 00:17:33.943 --> 00:17:37.814
- The god adventures that he has for me.
- 00:17:37.814 --> 00:17:40.016
- I have missed some god adventures out of fear.
- 00:17:40.016 --> 00:17:43.553
- So i am always a no at the beginning.
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- It doesn't matter.
- 00:17:48.024 --> 00:17:48.992
- Can you go here?
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- Can you do this?
- 00:17:49.926 --> 00:17:50.827
- Can you-- like your neighbor? i mean--
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- Probably not, no.
- 00:17:52.996 --> 00:17:54.831
- And but--
- 00:17:54.831 --> 00:17:55.798
- Let me pray about it.
- 00:17:55.798 --> 00:17:56.666
- But it's not--
- 00:17:56.666 --> 00:17:57.934
- It's not anchored in arrogance.
- 00:17:57.934 --> 00:17:59.702
- And that's not to say i never have pride.
- 00:17:59.702 --> 00:18:01.504
- It's fear.
- 00:18:01.504 --> 00:18:02.572
- Yes, it's insecurity in me.
- 00:18:02.572 --> 00:18:04.774
- That's me learning my story.
- 00:18:04.774 --> 00:18:07.577
- And so, man, the way when i, when i say the bible is the
- 00:18:07.577 --> 00:18:10.613
- Best and truest story that's ever told, it makes me go,
- 00:18:10.613 --> 00:18:14.617
- Okay, god, who do you call?
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- Do you see what i'm saying?
- 00:18:16.619 --> 00:18:17.854
- So because it fits the fastest, smartest, most beautiful,
- 00:18:17.854 --> 00:18:21.724
- Whatever, you know--
- 00:18:21.724 --> 00:18:23.526
- And so then i go to this best and truest story that's
- 00:18:23.526 --> 00:18:26.362
- Ever been told.
- 00:18:26.362 --> 00:18:27.630
- And from the beginning, in a world where firstborn sons are
- 00:18:27.630 --> 00:18:30.900
- Everything right, they get a
- 00:18:30.900 --> 00:18:32.535
- Double portion of the inheritance,
- 00:18:32.535 --> 00:18:35.104
- God keeps picking second born sons.
- 00:18:35.104 --> 00:18:37.640
- That's right.
- 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:38.641
- It's not cain, it's abel.
- 00:18:38.641 --> 00:18:41.110
- It's not ishmael, it's isaac.
- 00:18:41.110 --> 00:18:42.979
- Right? it's not esau, it's jacob.
- 00:18:42.979 --> 00:18:45.014
- That's right.
- 00:18:45.014 --> 00:18:45.748
- And then to blow my mind even
- 00:18:45.748 --> 00:18:47.817
- More, he pairs them with barren women.
- 00:18:47.817 --> 00:18:51.287
- Right.
- 00:18:51.287 --> 00:18:52.021
- In a world where having babies
- 00:18:52.021 --> 00:18:53.923
- Is like feminine worth and value.
- 00:18:53.923 --> 00:18:55.825
- So i'm like, time out.
- 00:18:55.825 --> 00:18:56.926
- From the beginning of this best and truest story,
- 00:18:56.926 --> 00:18:59.963
- You are out here in the world calling second born sons.
- 00:18:59.963 --> 00:19:04.300
- That's right. and barren women.
- 00:19:04.300 --> 00:19:06.469
- Yes.
- 00:19:06.469 --> 00:19:07.770
- And i'm like, okay, you know, my mom, who was, you know, took
- 00:19:07.770 --> 00:19:10.773
- My parents 18 years to have me,
- 00:19:10.773 --> 00:19:14.477
- I mean, just this sense of like, courage to say yes to the
- 00:19:14.477 --> 00:19:17.880
- Daily calling to just, to just the courage to get up again
- 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:21.251
- Tomorrow morning and say yes to god.
- 00:19:21.251 --> 00:19:22.785
- Yes to the world, yes to each other as the family of god.
- 00:19:22.785 --> 00:19:25.154
- But i love matthew 10 when the 12 are listed.
- 00:19:25.154 --> 00:19:28.858
- And what's so interesting is in matthew chapter 10, matthew
- 00:19:28.858 --> 00:19:33.796
- Writes under the inspiration of the holy spirit when he's
- 00:19:33.796 --> 00:19:36.799
- Listing the 12, matthew the tax
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- Collector, and simon the zealot.
- 00:19:40.103 --> 00:19:43.773
- That's right.
- 00:19:43.773 --> 00:19:44.807
- And in that world you're talking, you're talking
- 00:19:44.807 --> 00:19:48.278
- Opposite ends of the spectrum.
- 00:19:48.278 --> 00:19:49.879
- Tax collector, collaborator with rome, perpetually dirty
- 00:19:49.879 --> 00:19:52.682
- Because you're handling pagan good money, then you're over
- 00:19:52.682 --> 00:19:55.285
- Here, you know,
- 00:19:55.285 --> 00:19:56.586
- Zealots, they think the kingdom is going to come with a sword,
- 00:19:56.586 --> 00:19:58.655
- So they will beat you down. that's right.
- 00:19:58.655 --> 00:20:01.724
- And it's like, if you want to know who jesus will call, he
- 00:20:01.724 --> 00:20:05.928
- Will call tax collectors and zealots.
- 00:20:05.928 --> 00:20:09.832
- And i'll start crying even saying this. in another gospel,
- 00:20:09.832 --> 00:20:13.903
- And man, i remember the first time i really saw this,
- 00:20:13.903 --> 00:20:15.838
- It broke me.
- 00:20:15.838 --> 00:20:17.040
- And it's what has answered my fear and some really key
- 00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:19.676
- Moments in my life.
- 00:20:19.676 --> 00:20:21.511
- The bible says that matthew was
- 00:20:21.511 --> 00:20:24.681
- Sitting at the tax collector's booth.
- 00:20:24.681 --> 00:20:28.685
- He is doing the thing.
- 00:20:28.685 --> 00:20:31.321
- He is doing the shameful sort of thing, the lowly
- 00:20:31.321 --> 00:20:35.558
- Marginalized thing.
- 00:20:35.558 --> 00:20:36.793
- And jesus walks up to him. yeah.
- 00:20:36.793 --> 00:20:39.595
- At the table and says, come, follow me.
- 00:20:39.595 --> 00:20:43.132
- Yeah. like, i feel that in my body.
- 00:20:43.132 --> 00:20:45.935
- Yes. sitting here right now.
- 00:20:45.935 --> 00:20:48.404
- And i'm like, what's that like for matthew?
- 00:20:48.404 --> 00:20:50.973
- For like a sage of israel to
- 00:20:50.973 --> 00:20:52.742
- Come up and say, come, follow me.
- 00:20:52.742 --> 00:20:55.311
- And he gets up, and you read the rest of that passage,
- 00:20:55.311 --> 00:20:58.147
- The next thing matthew the tax
- 00:20:58.147 --> 00:21:00.483
- Collector does is he hosts a banquet.
- 00:21:00.483 --> 00:21:02.819
- That's right.
- 00:21:02.819 --> 00:21:03.853
- He invites all of his tax collector friends.
- 00:21:03.853 --> 00:21:06.189
- He invites jesus to it.
- 00:21:06.189 --> 00:21:08.291
- And here's jesus in, what, matthew 11, jesus is known as
- 00:21:08.291 --> 00:21:11.994
- A friend of tax collectors and sinners.
- 00:21:11.994 --> 00:21:15.198
- You see what i'm saying?
- 00:21:15.198 --> 00:21:16.566
- So i'm like, okay, maybe i have a shot at this.
- 00:21:16.566 --> 00:21:20.570
- Do you see what i'm saying?
- 00:21:20.570 --> 00:21:21.738
- If you're out in the world choosing second born sons,
- 00:21:21.738 --> 00:21:24.207
- Barren women, tax collectors, zealots.
- 00:21:24.207 --> 00:21:27.410
- And then i just want to read this.
- 00:21:27.410 --> 00:21:28.711
- I just want to read a portion of scripture because i've had
- 00:21:28.711 --> 00:21:31.781
- This on my mirror, my
- 00:21:31.781 --> 00:21:33.149
- Refrigerator at different times.
- 00:21:33.149 --> 00:21:34.684
- But going from the old testament,
- 00:21:34.684 --> 00:21:37.387
- Jesus, now to paul.
- 00:21:37.387 --> 00:21:39.155
- Yeah. this is paul.
- 00:21:39.155 --> 00:21:40.323
- First corinthians 1:26... [reading scripture]
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- Brothers and sisters.
- 00:21:43.426 --> 00:21:45.027
- We've talked about that.
- 00:21:45.027 --> 00:21:46.229
- Brothers and sisters, think of
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- What you were when you were called.
- 00:21:47.697 --> 00:21:49.866
- That's right.
- 00:21:49.866 --> 00:21:50.867
- Not many of you were wise by human standards.
- 00:21:50.867 --> 00:21:53.202
- Not many were influential.
- 00:21:53.202 --> 00:21:54.604
- Not many were of noble birth.
- 00:21:54.604 --> 00:21:56.806
- But god chose the foolish things of the world to
- 00:21:56.806 --> 00:22:00.109
- Shame the wise.
- 00:22:00.109 --> 00:22:01.544
- God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
- 00:22:01.544 --> 00:22:05.481
- God chose the lowly things of this world, and the despised
- 00:22:05.481 --> 00:22:09.118
- Things and the things that are not, to nullify the things that
- 00:22:09.118 --> 00:22:12.822
- Are, so that no one may boast before him.
- 00:22:12.822 --> 00:22:15.758
- It is because of him that you are in christ jesus, who has
- 00:22:15.758 --> 00:22:19.729
- Become for us wisdom from god, that is, our righteousness,
- 00:22:19.729 --> 00:22:24.100
- Holiness, and redemption.
- 00:22:24.100 --> 00:22:25.935
- Therefore, as it is written, let the one who boasts,
- 00:22:25.935 --> 00:22:29.505
- Boast in the lord.
- 00:22:29.505 --> 00:22:33.309
- Here's what i know.
- 00:22:33.309 --> 00:22:34.477
- I basically came out of the womb talking.
- 00:22:34.477 --> 00:22:36.212
- That's what my mom told me.
- 00:22:36.212 --> 00:22:38.381
- Um, and i love telling stories.
- 00:22:38.381 --> 00:22:41.651
- And so when i realized, oh my goodness, i can tell stories
- 00:22:41.651 --> 00:22:47.523
- About jesus.
- 00:22:47.523 --> 00:22:49.592
- And maybe, just maybe, somebody else will hear one of those
- 00:22:49.592 --> 00:22:52.495
- Stories and they'll move just incrementally closer to the
- 00:22:52.495 --> 00:22:57.967
- Unconditional love of god.
- 00:22:57.967 --> 00:22:59.469
- Oh my goodness, i get to do that.
- 00:22:59.469 --> 00:23:01.871
- When i was growing up, i'm 61,
- 00:23:01.871 --> 00:23:04.073
- There was no template for women in vocational ministry.
- 00:23:04.073 --> 00:23:06.809
- I had no idea this could be a job.
- 00:23:06.809 --> 00:23:09.745
- This was just i could not do this because the way he wired
- 00:23:09.745 --> 00:23:14.450
- Me is i'm a storyteller, and the best stories i can tell are
- 00:23:14.450 --> 00:23:18.921
- About this glorious god who loves even yahoos like me.
- 00:23:18.921 --> 00:23:24.427
- How can you not tell that story if you've experienced it?
- 00:23:24.427 --> 00:23:29.665
- This is my favorite thing about the lord,
- 00:23:29.665 --> 00:23:31.133
- Man, in the black community, we call it the old okey doke.
- 00:23:31.133 --> 00:23:34.570
- You know-- what the?
- 00:23:34.570 --> 00:23:36.138
- Okie dokie. okie dokie.
- 00:23:36.138 --> 00:23:37.473
- Okie doke. okie doke.
- 00:23:37.473 --> 00:23:38.674
- It's like the okie dokie.
- 00:23:38.674 --> 00:23:40.309
- It's like you thought he was going to do it this way.
- 00:23:40.309 --> 00:23:43.679
- Yes. and then he just-- yes.
- 00:23:43.679 --> 00:23:45.748
- And he pulls a okie doke.
- 00:23:45.748 --> 00:23:47.283
- Jesus juke. jesus juke.
- 00:23:47.283 --> 00:23:49.218
- That is literally it.
- 00:23:49.218 --> 00:23:50.319
- And i love it because it makes him bigger.
- 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:53.689
- If you know that me, toni
- 00:23:53.689 --> 00:23:55.858
- Collier is not qualified to do this--
- 00:23:55.858 --> 00:23:58.728
- That's right. and the lord still is using me,
- 00:23:58.728 --> 00:24:00.730
- Then you know it has to be him. yes.
- 00:24:00.730 --> 00:24:02.765
- And i love that we we get these truths in the word.
- 00:24:02.765 --> 00:24:06.135
- That's right.
- 00:24:06.135 --> 00:24:07.236
- No, god is not doing what you thought he would do.
- 00:24:07.236 --> 00:24:08.804
- Yeah. he is pulling the jesus juke.
- 00:24:08.804 --> 00:24:10.973
- It's always a miracle. yeah.
- 00:24:10.973 --> 00:24:12.408
- It's these tiny little miracles that he's doing to
- 00:24:12.408 --> 00:24:14.777
- Show that it's always going to be him.
- 00:24:14.777 --> 00:24:16.546
- That's right. always going to be him.
- 00:24:16.546 --> 00:24:17.780
- Now, lisa, we were talking about this a little bit before
- 00:24:17.780 --> 00:24:19.882
- We got on camera.
- 00:24:19.882 --> 00:24:21.150
- And i would love for you to unpack a jesus juke in the old
- 00:24:21.150 --> 00:24:23.653
- Testament in numbers.
- 00:24:23.653 --> 00:24:25.555
- I love this passage. okay.
- 00:24:25.555 --> 00:24:28.057
- And this would be, wouldn't you say, doctor cohick,
- 00:24:28.057 --> 00:24:30.459
- This would be a really almost a seminal passage when it comes
- 00:24:30.459 --> 00:24:34.897
- To god's love for women.
- 00:24:34.897 --> 00:24:36.566
- Oh, absolutely. absolutely.
- 00:24:36.566 --> 00:24:37.934
- He loves his sons. he loves his daughters.
- 00:24:37.934 --> 00:24:40.836
- But we tend to see the god of the old testament, even though
- 00:24:40.836 --> 00:24:44.206
- He's a trinitarian god,
- 00:24:44.206 --> 00:24:45.841
- Jesus, holy spirit are there too, but we tend to see him as
- 00:24:45.841 --> 00:24:48.778
- Patriarchal and and anti-female.
- 00:24:48.778 --> 00:24:52.048
- And it's like those aren't just all the paul passages from the
- 00:24:52.048 --> 00:24:55.685
- Very beginning of, of this love story we call the bible.
- 00:24:55.685 --> 00:24:58.588
- And this is, this is just a pinnacle.
- 00:24:58.588 --> 00:25:02.358
- Take off your shoes, throw your
- 00:25:02.358 --> 00:25:03.993
- Shoes, bang a tambourine passage.
- 00:25:03.993 --> 00:25:06.095
- It's called the daughters of zelophehad.
- 00:25:06.095 --> 00:25:08.898
- Oh. mhm.
- 00:25:08.898 --> 00:25:10.800
- Then drew near the daughters of zelophehad.
- 00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:12.902
- The son of hepher, son of
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- Gilead, son of maker, son of manasseh.
- 00:25:13.803 --> 00:25:16.472
- From the clans of manasseh.
- 00:25:16.472 --> 00:25:17.640
- The sons of joseph.
- 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:18.941
- The names of his daughters were mahlah, noah, hoglah, milcah,
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- And tirzah.
- 00:25:21.978 --> 00:25:23.045
- Their names get redeemed.
- 00:25:23.045 --> 00:25:24.013
- But right now you hear hoglin, you go
- 00:25:24.013 --> 00:25:25.648
- You're not going to find that on one of those little license
- 00:25:25.648 --> 00:25:27.650
- Plates at gatlinburg.
- 00:25:27.650 --> 00:25:28.918
- That's rough.
- 00:25:28.918 --> 00:25:30.553
- And these five girls stood before moses and eliezer.
- 00:25:30.553 --> 00:25:33.556
- He's the high priest. and before the chiefs and all the
- 00:25:33.556 --> 00:25:35.191
- Congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting saying, our
- 00:25:35.191 --> 00:25:38.628
- Dad died in the wilderness.
- 00:25:38.628 --> 00:25:39.929
- He was not among the company of those who gathered themselves
- 00:25:39.929 --> 00:25:42.031
- Together against the lord in the company of korah,
- 00:25:42.031 --> 00:25:44.367
- But died for his own sin and he had no sons.
- 00:25:44.367 --> 00:25:46.535
- Why should the name of our
- 00:25:46.535 --> 00:25:47.403
- Daddy be taken away from his clan
- 00:25:47.403 --> 00:25:48.838
- Because he had no son?
- 00:25:48.838 --> 00:25:50.206
- Give to us a possession among our brothers.
- 00:25:50.206 --> 00:25:53.309
- That is just an audacious no, no
- 00:25:53.309 --> 00:25:56.212
- In this era,
- 00:25:56.212 --> 00:25:57.146
- In this ancient era, they lived under.
- 00:25:57.146 --> 00:25:59.515
- Correct me if i mispronounce this, doctor cohick, but it's
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- The law of primogeniture.
- 00:26:01.884 --> 00:26:03.352
- Yeah. so--
- 00:26:03.352 --> 00:26:05.254
- Wow. kristi already said this.
- 00:26:05.254 --> 00:26:06.589
- Only the firstborn son gets the inheritance.
- 00:26:06.589 --> 00:26:09.892
- And these five girls evidently have been drinking double shots
- 00:26:09.892 --> 00:26:14.163
- Of caffeine because they have the chutzpah to go before moses
- 00:26:14.163 --> 00:26:17.900
- And the high priest and go, yeah, go,
- 00:26:17.900 --> 00:26:20.636
- We-- we want a piece of the inheritance.
- 00:26:20.636 --> 00:26:22.805
- This is 3400 years before women marched for suffrage.
- 00:26:22.805 --> 00:26:29.478
- Women have less stature than a good milk cow in this era.
- 00:26:29.478 --> 00:26:33.816
- And so compared to a lot of other old testament narratives,
- 00:26:33.816 --> 00:26:37.520
- You'd think they'd get fried into a grease spot of oblivion
- 00:26:37.520 --> 00:26:40.656
- For just having the chutzpah to make this request,
- 00:26:40.656 --> 00:26:43.826
- And instead the very next verse numbers 27, verse five,
- 00:26:43.826 --> 00:26:47.530
- Moses brought their case before the lord.
- 00:26:47.530 --> 00:26:50.499
- That's going to bless somebody.
- 00:26:50.499 --> 00:26:53.035
- Some gentlemen, you wonder, what can i do for the women
- 00:26:53.035 --> 00:26:56.105
- Around me, for my wife, for my
- 00:26:56.105 --> 00:26:57.540
- Daughters, for my daughter in laws?
- 00:26:57.540 --> 00:27:00.076
- He didn't say, what have y'all been smoking?
- 00:27:00.076 --> 00:27:03.245
- You know.
- 00:27:03.245 --> 00:27:04.013
- Right.
- 00:27:04.013 --> 00:27:04.747
- And i wonder if in part it's--
- 00:27:04.747 --> 00:27:06.248
- We had talked earlier about his
- 00:27:06.248 --> 00:27:08.784
- Relationship with miriam, his sister.
- 00:27:08.784 --> 00:27:11.153
- That's right.
- 00:27:11.153 --> 00:27:12.388
- And so, you know, yes, there is patriarchy at this time.
- 00:27:12.388 --> 00:27:16.692
- But he knows his own story. that's right.
- 00:27:16.692 --> 00:27:19.528
- Yep. that's right.
- 00:27:19.528 --> 00:27:20.796
- He knows.
- 00:27:20.796 --> 00:27:21.697
- Full of the five women. that's right.
- 00:27:21.697 --> 00:27:23.499
- He knows the songs his sister sang.
- 00:27:23.499 --> 00:27:25.801
- Yes. man, i'd never thought about that.
- 00:27:25.801 --> 00:27:27.503
- Wow.
- 00:27:27.503 --> 00:27:28.871
- So moses brings the case of these--
- 00:27:28.871 --> 00:27:32.274
- Yeah. story slays me.
- 00:27:32.274 --> 00:27:34.810
- She's-- these five daughters who are effectively orphaned.
- 00:27:34.810 --> 00:27:39.648
- Yes. they got nothing.
- 00:27:39.648 --> 00:27:41.250
- They got no husbands, they have no status in their culture.
- 00:27:41.250 --> 00:27:45.087
- He brings this case before the lord, and the lord says,
- 00:27:45.087 --> 00:27:49.358
- That's out of order!
- 00:27:49.358 --> 00:27:52.194
- And the lord says, kick him to the curb!
- 00:27:52.194 --> 00:27:55.064
- No, no, the lord says--
- 00:27:55.064 --> 00:27:57.166
- And the lord says to moses,
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- The daughters are right.
- 00:27:59.135 --> 00:28:01.337
- Daughters of zelophehad are right.
- 00:28:01.337 --> 00:28:03.773
- It's my favorite,
- 00:28:03.773 --> 00:28:04.607
- One of my favorite lines.
- 00:28:04.607 --> 00:28:06.675
- Right there in numbers 27.
- 00:28:06.675 --> 00:28:10.479
- We don't have the incarnation of jesus yet.
- 00:28:10.479 --> 00:28:12.615
- We don't have paul yet.
- 00:28:12.615 --> 00:28:14.650
- We don't have--
- 00:28:14.650 --> 00:28:15.684
- I mean, culture is so patriarchal and god says
- 00:28:15.684 --> 00:28:19.522
- They're right.
- 00:28:19.522 --> 00:28:20.089
- Our girls are right.
- 00:28:20.089 --> 00:28:21.791
- And right there he changes inheritance law.
- 00:28:21.791 --> 00:28:26.529
- God has never been a misogynist.
- 00:28:26.529 --> 00:28:30.232
- Culture can be.
- 00:28:30.232 --> 00:28:32.001
- Power structures can be.
- 00:28:32.001 --> 00:28:33.736
- Our god has always loved his daughters as much as his sons.
- 00:28:33.736 --> 00:28:37.006
- So right there, he gives them an inheritance.
- 00:28:37.006 --> 00:28:39.809
- Not only them, though, it says.
- 00:28:39.809 --> 00:28:41.744
- Everybody.
- 00:28:41.744 --> 00:28:42.978
- And you shall speak to the people of israel, saying, if a
- 00:28:42.978 --> 00:28:45.614
- Man dies and has no son, then you shall transfer his
- 00:28:45.614 --> 00:28:48.651
- Inheritance to his daughter.
- 00:28:48.651 --> 00:28:50.186
- I just want you to-- write the law.
- 00:28:50.186 --> 00:28:52.254
- Here. he writes the law.
- 00:28:52.254 --> 00:28:53.489
- The law changing.
- 00:28:53.489 --> 00:28:55.658
- All of inheritance law is changed forevermore.
- 00:28:55.658 --> 00:28:59.495
- Do you actually believe what he tells us in this love story?
- 00:28:59.495 --> 00:29:02.932
- He says i am for you, not against you.
- 00:29:02.932 --> 00:29:06.302
- Um. if you believe that he's for us, if you believe the
- 00:29:06.302 --> 00:29:09.071
- Boundary lines he has for us fall in pleasant places,
- 00:29:09.071 --> 00:29:13.142
- Um, then you'll come before him and you'll ask, because he
- 00:29:13.142 --> 00:29:17.313
- Loves us unconditionally.
- 00:29:17.313 --> 00:29:19.982
- And when he has said no to me, and he has said no a lot,
- 00:29:19.982 --> 00:29:24.353
- His yes is better than than what i was asking for.
- 00:29:24.353 --> 00:29:27.623
- I mean, that's what i found to be true of god.
- 00:29:27.623 --> 00:29:30.259
- I, i haven't had an easy life.
- 00:29:30.259 --> 00:29:33.362
- Um, there have been a lot of valleys in my life.
- 00:29:33.362 --> 00:29:36.532
- And the presence of god in some of those places, y'all,
- 00:29:36.532 --> 00:29:41.270
- It's been so extraordinary.
- 00:29:41.270 --> 00:29:43.539
- I go back to that valley a million times over because my
- 00:29:43.539 --> 00:29:47.243
- Dad helped me.
- 00:29:47.243 --> 00:29:48.544
- He whispered to me in the dark.
- 00:29:48.544 --> 00:29:51.013
- And so his yes is infinitely better than the dinky little
- 00:29:51.013 --> 00:29:56.118
- Things i'm asking him for.
- 00:29:56.118 --> 00:29:57.753
- What i'm learning is that i don't ask enough.
- 00:29:57.753 --> 00:30:01.123
- My request of the lord aren't audacious enough,
- 00:30:01.123 --> 00:30:05.828
- Because his love for me is infinitely better than my
- 00:30:05.828 --> 00:30:10.065
- Understanding of that love.
- 00:30:10.065 --> 00:30:12.668
- Ask him for everything.
- 00:30:12.668 --> 00:30:15.204
- Come to him with everything. don't curate your emotions.
- 00:30:15.204 --> 00:30:18.841
- And if he says no or he says wait,
- 00:30:18.841 --> 00:30:22.278
- Trust that god's will for us is good.
- 00:30:22.278 --> 00:30:25.547
- He's a good god. he's a good god.
- 00:30:25.547 --> 00:30:28.550
- And at the end of numbers, these girls come back.
- 00:30:28.550 --> 00:30:32.321
- These daughters come back because they're supposed to
- 00:30:32.321 --> 00:30:35.324
- Marry in an arranged marriage.
- 00:30:35.324 --> 00:30:37.326
- And if they if they went with the marriages they were
- 00:30:37.326 --> 00:30:40.329
- Supposed to to take and submit
- 00:30:40.329 --> 00:30:42.598
- To, they would have lost their land.
- 00:30:42.598 --> 00:30:44.600
- Yeah, they come before moses a second time, and it brings
- 00:30:44.600 --> 00:30:48.804
- Their second request before the lord.
- 00:30:48.804 --> 00:30:51.240
- And he says, let them marry who they want to marry.
- 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:53.142
- They don't have to lose their land.
- 00:30:53.142 --> 00:30:54.877
- Yeah. and you go the land they're talking about is a
- 00:30:54.877 --> 00:30:56.712
- Promised land.
- 00:30:56.712 --> 00:30:57.846
- This is bigger than just this one chapter of history.
- 00:30:57.846 --> 00:31:00.015
- That's right.
- 00:31:00.015 --> 00:31:00.849
- Their daddy had a piece of canaan.
- 00:31:00.849 --> 00:31:03.018
- Yeah. and they were going to lose it.
- 00:31:03.018 --> 00:31:04.520
- And god said, no.
- 00:31:04.520 --> 00:31:05.621
- My daughters get the promise, too.
- 00:31:05.621 --> 00:31:07.923
- To me, this speaks to people in
- 00:31:07.923 --> 00:31:10.492
- Position, in the power structure.
- 00:31:10.492 --> 00:31:12.528
- You may not be able to change the law yourself.
- 00:31:12.528 --> 00:31:16.699
- You may-- but there are little things that we can do along the
- 00:31:16.699 --> 00:31:19.835
- Way, whether it's have courage to ask in the first place, or
- 00:31:19.835 --> 00:31:24.273
- Whether it's having the courage to pray and not just decide, or
- 00:31:24.273 --> 00:31:29.278
- How to advocate for--
- 00:31:29.278 --> 00:31:30.479
- Some to advocate.
- 00:31:30.479 --> 00:31:31.780
- But it is this idea that god is always inviting us to obedience
- 00:31:31.780 --> 00:31:37.286
- Into the culture of his kingdom.
- 00:31:37.286 --> 00:31:39.321
- Surrender. it's a surrender.
- 00:31:39.321 --> 00:31:41.790
- You know, i think all throughout the bible, in god's
- 00:31:41.790 --> 00:31:44.393
- Word, we see that he really does value women, and not just
- 00:31:44.393 --> 00:31:47.329
- In the new testament.
- 00:31:47.329 --> 00:31:48.564
- When jesus is life and death and burial and resurrection
- 00:31:48.564 --> 00:31:52.167
- Fulfilled the law,
- 00:31:52.167 --> 00:31:52.901
- But in the old testament too.
- 00:31:52.901 --> 00:31:54.403
- One of my favorite stories in women in the bible is deborah
- 00:31:54.403 --> 00:31:57.439
- The judge.
- 00:31:57.439 --> 00:31:58.741
- She was called to judge israel, to lead over israel, to use her
- 00:31:58.741 --> 00:32:02.978
- Prophetic gifting to hear from
- 00:32:02.978 --> 00:32:04.747
- The lord and give their next steps.
- 00:32:04.747 --> 00:32:06.782
- And i just love her character because she was inclusive.
- 00:32:06.782 --> 00:32:10.552
- She wanted to share this beautiful prophetic word that
- 00:32:10.552 --> 00:32:14.123
- The lord had given her with men and with other women too.
- 00:32:14.123 --> 00:32:17.493
- And i think that story is highlighted for us in the
- 00:32:17.493 --> 00:32:19.628
- Bible, because it is showing us that from the beginning of
- 00:32:19.628 --> 00:32:23.399
- Time, god valued women not just in the homes, but also leading
- 00:32:23.399 --> 00:32:29.571
- Over an entire nation.
- 00:32:29.571 --> 00:32:32.408
- Those daughters have literally been orphaned.
- 00:32:32.408 --> 00:32:36.145
- They have lost their father, which in this culture is their
- 00:32:36.145 --> 00:32:39.748
- Only liaison to any kind of
- 00:32:39.748 --> 00:32:42.751
- Not just wealth, to their daily bread.
- 00:32:42.751 --> 00:32:45.320
- Yeah. yeah.
- 00:32:45.320 --> 00:32:46.155
- In fact, god is their father.
- 00:32:46.155 --> 00:32:48.757
- You know, my-- i became a mom at the age of 50 through the
- 00:32:48.757 --> 00:32:52.161
- Miracle of adoption.
- 00:32:52.161 --> 00:32:53.695
- And over and over and over again, he's taught me, missy,
- 00:32:53.695 --> 00:32:58.333
- My little girl who lost her first mom in haiti, who was
- 00:32:58.333 --> 00:33:00.903
- Really sick, who almost died, who lived in an unbelievable,
- 00:33:00.903 --> 00:33:06.542
- Impoverished situation,
- 00:33:06.542 --> 00:33:08.610
- Missy has never had an orphan spirit.
- 00:33:08.610 --> 00:33:12.281
- Missy has this real secure little sense of self.
- 00:33:12.281 --> 00:33:15.918
- I grew up in america.
- 00:33:15.918 --> 00:33:17.619
- I've always known where my next meal was.
- 00:33:17.619 --> 00:33:19.755
- These leather pants are squeaking.
- 00:33:19.755 --> 00:33:22.491
- But i had an orphan spirit.
- 00:33:22.491 --> 00:33:24.126
- Yeah. for a long, long time as a christ follower, i tried to
- 00:33:24.126 --> 00:33:28.564
- Make myself smaller so that people wouldn't resent me.
- 00:33:28.564 --> 00:33:35.037
- So that people would like me.
- 00:33:35.037 --> 00:33:36.305
- I tried to make myself smaller so i would fit into what the
- 00:33:36.305 --> 00:33:40.476
- Culture, the stream i was
- 00:33:40.476 --> 00:33:41.944
- Swimming in said i should fit in.
- 00:33:41.944 --> 00:33:44.113
- And these girls trust their heavenly father enough to go,
- 00:33:44.113 --> 00:33:47.950
- He doesn't want us to live as orphans.
- 00:33:47.950 --> 00:33:50.319
- That's right.
- 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:51.286
- And no one fought that.
- 00:33:51.286 --> 00:33:54.056
- What they were asking when moses received the answer,
- 00:33:54.056 --> 00:33:58.160
- It's like the rest of the israelites were like, okay,
- 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.430
- Caleb does the same thing then with his daughter, you know.
- 00:34:01.430 --> 00:34:04.800
- And there's this thread that comes out.
- 00:34:04.800 --> 00:34:07.603
- Sin still comes in.
- 00:34:07.603 --> 00:34:08.537
- Wickedness still happens.
- 00:34:08.537 --> 00:34:10.038
- Sure. but there's also this
- 00:34:10.038 --> 00:34:11.273
- Recognition of the goodness of god.
- 00:34:11.273 --> 00:34:16.278
- There's so many women in my life that have modeled
- 00:34:16.278 --> 00:34:18.514
- Obedience to christ.
- 00:34:18.514 --> 00:34:19.915
- And one of them is my friend jennie allen.
- 00:34:19.915 --> 00:34:22.184
- Um, this past year, i have seen her do some of the craziest big
- 00:34:22.184 --> 00:34:26.455
- God dreams that she did not have, but the lord had for her.
- 00:34:26.455 --> 00:34:30.259
- And while they were scary and big and seemed impossible, she
- 00:34:30.259 --> 00:34:33.128
- Was completely submitted to the lord.
- 00:34:33.128 --> 00:34:35.030
- And she always used to say, like, if the lord gave it to
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- Me, then he's going to see me through it.
- 00:34:37.766 --> 00:34:40.002
- And that's just been so empowering for me and so
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- Inspiring because obedience is sometimes really scary.
- 00:34:42.738 --> 00:34:46.742
- It's like jumping off a cliff, swan diving and hoping that the
- 00:34:46.742 --> 00:34:49.845
- Lord catches you.
- 00:34:49.845 --> 00:34:51.113
- But jennie has proven to us all by doing what the lord has
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- Called her to do.
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- No matter how big and scary and weird and robust it is, it is
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- Going to happen and he's going to equip you for it.
- 00:34:59.254 --> 00:35:02.958
- I would encourage someone to give god their yes by actually
- 00:35:02.958 --> 00:35:07.462
- Going in and counting the cost of that
- 00:35:07.462 --> 00:35:10.332
- Yes. processing all of that and conversation with the lord and
- 00:35:10.332 --> 00:35:14.436
- Then saying, yes. i think ultimately we are all saying
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- Yes to something or someone.
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- We are all having faith in something or someone, and i
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- Have found that man,
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- If i'm not saying yes to the lord, i'm actually saying yes
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- To my own understanding or my own will.
- 00:35:30.118 --> 00:35:34.122
- And i know how limited my own understanding is.
- 00:35:34.122 --> 00:35:37.726
- I know how shortsighted my will is.
- 00:35:37.726 --> 00:35:41.630
- And so i have learned that it's better to do things god's way
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- Because he is sovereign and all powerful and all knowing.
- 00:35:44.900 --> 00:35:48.904
- But ultimately, he also loves me, and he loves you.
- 00:35:48.904 --> 00:35:53.008
- And so that all powerful, all knowing god loving you really
- 00:35:53.008 --> 00:35:59.715
- Brings things into perspective about how much we can trust him
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- And give him our yes.
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- I think the church has used the word accountability in a really
- 00:36:19.013 --> 00:36:22.383
- Anemic way, because usually when we talk about
- 00:36:22.383 --> 00:36:25.919
- Accountability, we're talking about accountability in sin
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- Areas or in sin issues.
- 00:36:28.989 --> 00:36:31.725
- But i think the other side of that coin of accountability is
- 00:36:31.725 --> 00:36:34.895
- Who's holding you accountable to your giftings and to the
- 00:36:34.895 --> 00:36:38.132
- Glory of god in you?
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- Who is it that's holding you accountable to,
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- Hey, you're gifted here.
- 00:36:42.202 --> 00:36:44.305
- Are you stewarding that gift?
- 00:36:44.305 --> 00:36:46.273
- Hey, this is part of how god has made known through you.
- 00:36:46.273 --> 00:36:49.410
- How are you doing with cultivating that gift?
- 00:36:49.410 --> 00:36:53.013
- So i want to be a sister in the family of god.
- 00:36:53.013 --> 00:36:57.217
- Yes, i can walk with you, holding you accountable in your
- 00:36:57.217 --> 00:37:00.054
- Temptations and sin areas, but i also want to lovingly hold
- 00:37:00.054 --> 00:37:03.791
- You accountable, fanning the flame the gifts of god in you,
- 00:37:03.791 --> 00:37:07.761
- And to hold you accountable to the glories as well.
- 00:37:07.761 --> 00:37:11.999
- When culture was was shockingly misogynistic and anti-female
- 00:37:15.602 --> 00:37:22.376
- Over and over and over again, you see god erecting fences to
- 00:37:22.376 --> 00:37:25.612
- Protect his daughters.
- 00:37:25.612 --> 00:37:27.081
- It's never been god.
- 00:37:27.081 --> 00:37:28.248
- It grieves me when i hear people nowadays.
- 00:37:28.248 --> 00:37:30.918
- I heard a woman recently on a podcast advocate for young
- 00:37:30.918 --> 00:37:35.756
- Women to not read the bible because she said it's a
- 00:37:35.756 --> 00:37:39.093
- Misogynistic text.
- 00:37:39.093 --> 00:37:40.461
- And i thought, honey, you haven't read it.
- 00:37:40.461 --> 00:37:42.296
- There's patriarchy in there because that's the culture and
- 00:37:42.296 --> 00:37:45.399
- It's written to real people in real situations, but you've got
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- To read it with theological sensitivity.
- 00:37:49.269 --> 00:37:51.839
- And that's what, like you just did there, right?
- 00:37:51.839 --> 00:37:55.008
- And then you see, no, god is absolutely there.
- 00:37:55.008 --> 00:37:58.045
- Yeah. and our culture's not perfect either.
- 00:37:58.045 --> 00:38:00.414
- Yeah. i was just going to ask, like, we're kind of living in
- 00:38:00.414 --> 00:38:03.884
- That same-- echoes of it.
- 00:38:03.884 --> 00:38:05.519
- Yeah, echoes of it in so many ways.
- 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.221
- And i think the message is the same.
- 00:38:07.221 --> 00:38:10.090
- You go to god.
- 00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:11.358
- Yeah. like, we just have to keep redirecting our daughters,
- 00:38:11.358 --> 00:38:14.728
- Our sisters.
- 00:38:14.728 --> 00:38:15.729
- Yeah. like, i know that they're saying this.
- 00:38:15.729 --> 00:38:17.898
- I know that you're in this environment.
- 00:38:17.898 --> 00:38:19.466
- I know it feels impossible.
- 00:38:19.466 --> 00:38:21.535
- And this is when we see god do his best work in the valley
- 00:38:21.535 --> 00:38:25.539
- Places, in the opposition, in the tension.
- 00:38:25.539 --> 00:38:27.741
- It's when we get to see the bigness of god.
- 00:38:27.741 --> 00:38:31.145
- So daughters, sisters in christ, in the kingdom, in this
- 00:38:31.145 --> 00:38:34.915
- Work, don't settle.
- 00:38:34.915 --> 00:38:37.184
- But teach the sons also that you can hear god in the octave
- 00:38:37.184 --> 00:38:42.256
- That i'm speaking in.
- 00:38:42.256 --> 00:38:43.757
- You know, that--
- 00:38:43.757 --> 00:38:44.458
- And that's okay.
- 00:38:44.458 --> 00:38:45.459
- Like that, jesus learned by hearing his mom.
- 00:38:45.459 --> 00:38:49.830
- Yeah, sing the psalms,
- 00:38:49.830 --> 00:38:52.099
- Teach the word to him, taking him to church.
- 00:38:52.099 --> 00:38:55.836
- Joseph was also there, too.
- 00:38:55.836 --> 00:38:57.237
- And but it's a both, and with jesus.
- 00:38:57.237 --> 00:39:00.307
- Like, yeah.
- 00:39:00.307 --> 00:39:01.575
- Like you said, moses probably could hear marion's voice in
- 00:39:01.575 --> 00:39:04.611
- The back of his head. yes.
- 00:39:04.611 --> 00:39:06.146
- Isn't that one of our human jobs, though?
- 00:39:06.146 --> 00:39:08.148
- Like to this day, my two boys, eight and five,
- 00:39:08.148 --> 00:39:11.585
- If they have a question about god, they're asking me.
- 00:39:11.585 --> 00:39:15.022
- It doesn't matter if ej's right there and has the answer.
- 00:39:15.022 --> 00:39:18.525
- They're coming to me because
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- I'm the one singing them the songs.
- 00:39:20.260 --> 00:39:22.362
- Reading them--
- 00:39:22.362 --> 00:39:23.630
- And even if i'm out of town one night and ej tries to read,
- 00:39:23.630 --> 00:39:26.867
- They're like, you didn't do it right.
- 00:39:26.867 --> 00:39:29.069
- Mommy doesn't like-- you know what i mean?
- 00:39:29.069 --> 00:39:30.337
- It was animated.
- 00:39:30.337 --> 00:39:31.538
- You know? because the
- 00:39:31.538 --> 00:39:32.539
- Voices like mom does. yes, exactly.
- 00:39:32.539 --> 00:39:34.641
- It's like you're supposed to sing that part.
- 00:39:34.641 --> 00:39:36.743
- You're not reading it.
- 00:39:36.743 --> 00:39:37.911
- And so it's just this idea of,
- 00:39:37.911 --> 00:39:39.880
- Well, because i've been doing it since i've been nursing and
- 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.516
- Rocking them.
- 00:39:42.516 --> 00:39:43.784
- Right. like, this is not a, okay, sit down for your reading.
- 00:39:43.784 --> 00:39:46.386
- This is while we sit here,
- 00:39:46.386 --> 00:39:48.021
- Let me pray over you or let me
- 00:39:48.021 --> 00:39:49.556
- Read or let's have a conversation.
- 00:39:49.556 --> 00:39:51.825
- And that just continues.
- 00:39:51.825 --> 00:39:53.560
- That is a privilege of being a woman.
- 00:39:53.560 --> 00:39:57.197
- Um, me and my daughter were watching a movie.
- 00:39:57.197 --> 00:39:59.833
- Uh, we went on spring break, and i got so convicted about
- 00:39:59.833 --> 00:40:04.304
- This little movie, and the whole idea was that there was,
- 00:40:04.304 --> 00:40:07.574
- Like, this male king and he was corrupt, but he came off as,
- 00:40:07.574 --> 00:40:12.379
- Like, really amazing.
- 00:40:12.379 --> 00:40:13.380
- But he wasn't.
- 00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:14.615
- He was like, protecting people. when they figured out his
- 00:40:14.615 --> 00:40:16.650
- Corruption, they like, totally took him out of the position.
- 00:40:16.650 --> 00:40:20.787
- And his wife and this other girl, like, went into power and
- 00:40:20.787 --> 00:40:24.591
- They're celebrating them at the end.
- 00:40:24.591 --> 00:40:25.959
- And my daughter, who is-- she is like all girl, okay?
- 00:40:25.959 --> 00:40:29.296
- She's like girly pop, all the things pop, pop, pop, slay the
- 00:40:29.296 --> 00:40:32.165
- Day queen. like this is her--
- 00:40:32.165 --> 00:40:34.067
- She's like, yeah, give it up for the women.
- 00:40:34.067 --> 00:40:36.970
- And that man need to sit down.
- 00:40:36.970 --> 00:40:39.506
- Da da da da da.
- 00:40:39.506 --> 00:40:40.507
- And i'm sitting there, y'all.
- 00:40:40.507 --> 00:40:42.142
- And i'm like, i just feel like my mama.
- 00:40:42.142 --> 00:40:43.810
- I'm like, lord, everything is a sermon.
- 00:40:43.810 --> 00:40:45.779
- Everything is holier than thou.
- 00:40:45.779 --> 00:40:47.180
- But i felt the strongest conviction around our sons.
- 00:40:47.180 --> 00:40:51.985
- Yes. i even i posted about it.
- 00:40:51.985 --> 00:40:54.621
- People were like going back and forth a little bit.
- 00:40:54.621 --> 00:40:56.256
- I was like, i'm gonna let him.
- 00:40:56.256 --> 00:40:57.658
- But what i felt was
- 00:40:57.658 --> 00:41:00.294
- That we have to leave space for sons as well.
- 00:41:00.294 --> 00:41:05.265
- There is this difference between empowerment and
- 00:41:05.265 --> 00:41:07.568
- Enragement, and if we allow our pain to have us exclude men, we
- 00:41:07.568 --> 00:41:13.574
- Are doing the same thing.
- 00:41:13.574 --> 00:41:15.075
- We're going back to amazon.
- 00:41:15.075 --> 00:41:16.410
- Flipping the power structure.
- 00:41:16.410 --> 00:41:17.911
- Yeah.
- 00:41:17.911 --> 00:41:19.046
- And i think about how beautiful it is to teach our
- 00:41:19.046 --> 00:41:21.748
- Sons that we all get a seat at the table.
- 00:41:21.748 --> 00:41:24.184
- Yes.
- 00:41:24.184 --> 00:41:25.485
- Because then we would raise up the next generation that would
- 00:41:25.485 --> 00:41:27.287
- Say, oh, everyone gets a seat at the table.
- 00:41:27.287 --> 00:41:31.224
- I think when women and men pursue jesus together in unity,
- 00:41:31.224 --> 00:41:35.529
- I mean, it's like exponential power breaks out.
- 00:41:35.529 --> 00:41:40.300
- I think that's what-- i think
- 00:41:40.300 --> 00:41:41.501
- That's what we were intended to do,
- 00:41:41.501 --> 00:41:43.337
- Right. that's what god was doing with adam and eve.
- 00:41:43.337 --> 00:41:47.608
- They were pursuing god in unity,
- 00:41:47.608 --> 00:41:49.610
- Right, before sin came in.
- 00:41:49.610 --> 00:41:51.678
- When we get into that place, i think we're in our lane.
- 00:41:51.678 --> 00:41:55.949
- And that's when god moves in and he does miraculous things
- 00:41:55.949 --> 00:42:00.187
- That we could not have possibly done ourselves, we could not
- 00:42:00.187 --> 00:42:03.290
- Have crafted.
- 00:42:03.290 --> 00:42:04.658
- It is just god moving.
- 00:42:04.658 --> 00:42:07.027
- It's like a clean vessel or a tube that's not bent.
- 00:42:07.027 --> 00:42:12.165
- Right? it's like, oh, now the real power can flow through
- 00:42:12.165 --> 00:42:16.303
- Because we've not inhibited it in any way.
- 00:42:16.303 --> 00:42:20.574
- I'm always at women's conferences. right.
- 00:42:20.574 --> 00:42:23.076
- But i was i was at a conference in georgia and whole bunch of
- 00:42:23.076 --> 00:42:27.147
- Women, estrogen festival, and a man was there and several women
- 00:42:27.147 --> 00:42:31.785
- Came up to me and went,
- 00:42:31.785 --> 00:42:32.953
- I can't believe-- why is he here?
- 00:42:32.953 --> 00:42:34.588
- And i said, oh, i love that he's here.
- 00:42:34.588 --> 00:42:37.691
- I said, i love that that man came in with his wife.
- 00:42:37.691 --> 00:42:41.061
- Well, wouldn't you know it--
- 00:42:41.061 --> 00:42:42.162
- I always pray because i get easily distracted,
- 00:42:42.162 --> 00:42:44.865
- For psalm 34:5 faces, ready is in the face of those who put
- 00:42:44.865 --> 00:42:47.868
- Their hope in the lord, their faces not be covered
- 00:42:47.868 --> 00:42:49.403
- With shame, and they become kind of anchors
- 00:42:49.403 --> 00:42:51.405
- So i don't get too much in the weeds when i'm teaching.
- 00:42:51.405 --> 00:42:54.074
- And y'all, every time i'd scan this room of 2000 women, he had
- 00:42:54.074 --> 00:42:58.245
- The kindest,
- 00:42:58.245 --> 00:43:00.814
- He was such a generous listener.
- 00:43:00.814 --> 00:43:03.350
- Well, so this got-- one guy, 2000 women.
- 00:43:03.350 --> 00:43:06.086
- He comes up to me at the end of the event.
- 00:43:06.086 --> 00:43:08.822
- He was so nice with his wife,
- 00:43:08.822 --> 00:43:11.458
- But he said something about something.
- 00:43:11.458 --> 00:43:13.193
- And i thought, man, this guy is really astute on this passage.
- 00:43:13.193 --> 00:43:16.296
- You said something very kind, and i said, you a preacher?
- 00:43:16.296 --> 00:43:20.934
- And he went, i was. well, then he tells me a little bit of his
- 00:43:20.934 --> 00:43:26.206
- Story, and he, because of moral failure years and years ago in
- 00:43:26.206 --> 00:43:29.576
- Another country, he lost his church.
- 00:43:29.576 --> 00:43:32.212
- God has redeemed his story.
- 00:43:32.212 --> 00:43:33.580
- He's married to a boaz.
- 00:43:33.580 --> 00:43:36.683
- And he was so kind.
- 00:43:36.683 --> 00:43:37.984
- And i thought, oh jesus, i want to honor my brothers. as much as
- 00:43:37.984 --> 00:43:43.657
- We long to have a seat at the table,
- 00:43:43.657 --> 00:43:45.692
- I also want to say thanks for letting me sit next to you.
- 00:43:45.692 --> 00:43:49.296
- Let's not be segregated because, again, as you pointed
- 00:43:49.296 --> 00:43:52.799
- Out so beautifully, doctor cohick, it's brothers and
- 00:43:52.799 --> 00:43:55.168
- Sisters, brothers and sisters.
- 00:43:55.168 --> 00:43:56.803
- Let's not make it all about the sisters.
- 00:43:56.803 --> 00:43:59.172
- Let's make it about the sons and the daughters.
- 00:43:59.172 --> 00:44:02.509
- I believe god uses family language because what came with
- 00:44:02.509 --> 00:44:08.482
- The fall is loneliness.
- 00:44:08.482 --> 00:44:11.551
- There was no loneliness in eden.
- 00:44:11.551 --> 00:44:14.287
- Adam and eve had a perfect
- 00:44:14.287 --> 00:44:16.256
- Communion with with our creator redeemer.
- 00:44:16.256 --> 00:44:19.126
- But with the fall came loneliness.
- 00:44:19.126 --> 00:44:22.028
- That's the first time they they felt shame.
- 00:44:22.028 --> 00:44:25.265
- And so one of the first things god tells his people when he's
- 00:44:25.265 --> 00:44:29.402
- Reframing their identity is you're not slaves.
- 00:44:29.402 --> 00:44:32.272
- Your children, you're not slaves your children.
- 00:44:32.272 --> 00:44:34.775
- From the very beginning of scripture to the very end of
- 00:44:34.775 --> 00:44:37.577
- Scripture, you see the language of family because god is
- 00:44:37.577 --> 00:44:42.149
- Speaking to the loneliness in our hearts where we think,
- 00:44:42.149 --> 00:44:45.051
- Will i fit?
- 00:44:45.051 --> 00:44:46.586
- Will they love me if they actually know me?
- 00:44:46.586 --> 00:44:50.223
- If they look under the hood of my life, will they stay or will
- 00:44:50.223 --> 00:44:53.326
- They leave?
- 00:44:53.326 --> 00:44:54.694
- And so over and over and over again he says, you're my
- 00:44:54.694 --> 00:44:57.731
- Children, and you will always have a home with me.
- 00:44:57.731 --> 00:45:01.635
- As a matter of fact, if you understand adoption, he calls
- 00:45:01.635 --> 00:45:05.505
- Us his adopted children.
- 00:45:05.505 --> 00:45:07.073
- In the jewish context, uh, parents can disinherit
- 00:45:07.073 --> 00:45:11.444
- Biological child, they cannot disinherit an adopted child.
- 00:45:11.444 --> 00:45:16.283
- Legally, jewish parents cannot disinherit an adopted child.
- 00:45:16.283 --> 00:45:19.886
- And that's what god's telling us.
- 00:45:19.886 --> 00:45:21.621
- You will never see my back.
- 00:45:21.621 --> 00:45:23.824
- I will always be your father.
- 00:45:23.824 --> 00:45:26.393
- I'm for you.
- 00:45:26.393 --> 00:45:27.828
- I'm not leaving.
- 00:45:27.828 --> 00:45:29.629
- Well, because that's the way that jesus would have it.
- 00:45:29.629 --> 00:45:32.299
- Amen. that's right.
- 00:45:32.299 --> 00:45:33.567
- And we are not trying to get so caught up in our calling and
- 00:45:33.567 --> 00:45:36.570
- The way that the lord has called us and these platforms
- 00:45:36.570 --> 00:45:39.105
- And, oh, i finally got my break, and i got my voice as a
- 00:45:39.105 --> 00:45:41.641
- Woman that we forget who we serve.
- 00:45:41.641 --> 00:45:45.312
- Yeah. if i, if i carry that chip on my shoulder, then i
- 00:45:45.312 --> 00:45:47.647
- Pass it to my boys.
- 00:45:47.647 --> 00:45:48.682
- Yes, yes.
- 00:45:48.682 --> 00:45:49.783
- And i don't want to pass that burden to my boys.
- 00:45:49.783 --> 00:45:51.952
- I want, i want them to feel free in the lord too.
- 00:45:51.952 --> 00:45:55.121
- You know, i don't want to pass
- 00:45:55.121 --> 00:45:57.023
- Any of the things that could be offensive.
- 00:45:57.023 --> 00:45:59.226
- Like, i want to educate my children and as they will be
- 00:45:59.226 --> 00:46:02.963
- Black men as to, okay, this is how the world has been for the
- 00:46:02.963 --> 00:46:07.801
- Last however many years.
- 00:46:07.801 --> 00:46:09.803
- And so here are some things to look out for that might come
- 00:46:09.803 --> 00:46:12.239
- Against who we've told you are and who god says that you are.
- 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:16.243
- And so i want to educate you, but i dare not pass on burdens.
- 00:46:16.243 --> 00:46:20.013
- Right? i dare not pass on baggage that they then have to
- 00:46:20.013 --> 00:46:23.016
- Carry for their lives and for their wives and children.
- 00:46:23.016 --> 00:46:26.353
- You know? really good.
- 00:46:26.353 --> 00:46:27.654
- Okay. so one of the things that's been stirring in my
- 00:46:27.654 --> 00:46:30.824
- Heart is this sense of unity.
- 00:46:30.824 --> 00:46:32.759
- You know, i want to do my best to balance this,
- 00:46:32.759 --> 00:46:38.198
- The idea that there is grief.
- 00:46:38.198 --> 00:46:40.000
- There's so much grief in the hearts of god's daughters.
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- And there is this gratitude that we can walk in, that we
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- All get to do this. yes.
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- And i think that the surrender piece that we're talking about
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- Today leads us to a place of unity.
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- I think that's what like surrender prompts.
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- It's like, lord, however you would have it, and if it is
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- God's way, it is going to be unified.
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- And so, lisa, i would love for you to pray for unity.
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- Yeah, i just, i just feel like that's what we need--
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- Yeah.
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- Yeah. is to unify sons and daughters, unify denominations,
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- Unify churches.
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- I mean, the days are short.
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- We know it.
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- Yeah. and i just really--
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- I have this deep longing.
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- And maybe it's because i'm a teletubby inside, but to just--
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- I know that we're going to heaven as individuals.
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- But i just wonder if we can carry the same essence of unity
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- As we go.
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- Yeah.
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- You know, that it would be like
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- Locking spiritual arms when we go.
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- Body of christ. yeah.
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- You know, it's the body of christ.
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- This may seem cheesy, but sometimes i think what we model
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- Is much more important than what comes out of our mouths.
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- Absolutely. oh, jesus.
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- Jesus. jesus, king jesus, lord.
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- Jesus the christ, the rose of sharon, the lily of the valley.
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- The one who sticks closer than a brother.
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- Our mediator. one who models unity for us.
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- Thank you, thank you, thank you for this time and space
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- We've gotten to just lean into you through this love letter
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- Called the bible, as kristi calls it, the truest, best
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- Story that was ever told.
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- And lord, over and over and over again in this story,
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- You've given us these promises, these parameters.
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- You just underscore unity first
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- With you, father, son, and holy spirit.
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- Let us let us make them in our image.
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- So, father, thank you for modeling community and
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- Unity for us.
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- Thank you, jesus that you said right before the cross, i didn't
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- Come to be served.
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- I came to serve.
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- Give my life as a ransom for many.
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- Lord, we we don't know what it is to consider others as more
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- Highly than ourselves apart from you.
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- So, jesus, we audaciously ask, like those daughters of
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- Zelophehad, we want to see you more clearly, jesus.
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- We want to be more cognizant of our dependance on you.
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- And lord, as we lean toward you, we know that you'll, you'll
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- Just tip us toward each other because that's your word.
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- Love one another.
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- Carry one another's burdens.
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- Be kind to one another.
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- So, lord jesus, we pray that you would break our hearts in
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- All the places yours was broken when you were incarnate, lord,
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- That we would prefer one another, that we would see past
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- These tiny, tiny, tiny skin
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- Deep barriers of of gender and ethnicity.
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- And we would see each other truly as brothers and sisters,
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- Lord, that that we would be able to live that that greatest
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- Last command you gave us, love one another.
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- The world will know that you're
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- Mine by how well you love one another.
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- And jesus, we can't do that
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- Apart from you and your holy spirit.
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- So we ask these things by the power and the authority of your
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- Name, king jesus, the name that one day every knee will bow
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- Before and be unified by.
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- We love you, jesus.
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- We can't make it by ourselves.
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- Help us to love you more and to love one another well.
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- We ask all these things by your name and for your glory.
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- Amen. amen.
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