Better Together

Does God Choose Women to Lead? - Episode 1084

August 7, 2025 | S7 E1084 | 52:34

Women don’t lead to compete—they lead to COMPLETE the mission God has entrusted to His people. Scripture reveals a consistent pattern of God empowering women to lead with purpose. True leadership flows from those who follow Him and serve with humility and grace. | TBN Prayer Line: 714-731-1000

#Women #Leadership #Boldness #Grace #Purpose #Truth #WordofGod #Faith #Encouragement #Bible #Calling #Theology #Submission #Confidence #Humility #Slavery

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Better Together | Does God Choose Women to Lead? - Episode 1084 | August 7, 2025

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Lisa harper: all i grew up hearing was in quietness
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And full submission.
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I didn't hear you get to learn in a culture where i'm not
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Allowed to go to school.
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Toni collier: i don't want a god that plays favorites.
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I want a god that's longing to set all of the captives free.
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Janice gaines: i think about my grandmother, my paternal
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Grandmother, elizabeth reddick, you know, back in the day when
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In order to work in the government, you had to take the
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Civic test, civics test, right?
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Well, they let her in alabama take this test, this black
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Woman, which was probably odd in itself, and i asked my dad, i
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Said why did they even let her take the test?
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That doesn't seem, you know, like these times, and he said,
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Well, i don't--they probably just didn't think she
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Was gonna do well.
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Well, she scored so high on the test.
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I can't remember if she got a perfect score or just the
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Highest score that she ended up getting one of the best jobs,
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Because it was also when you got a job based on your score from
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The civics test.
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And so i think about, i mean, so much so that she was, i think
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Her story was in an article in a black publication years ago,
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Like just a brilliant woman, grandmommy is what me and john
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Called her, and then our younger siblings did the same.
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But grandmommy was a mother of seven, six women, one son, and a
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Wife of a minister in their denomination, the cme church,
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And women can be ordained in this denomination.
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I wanna make that clear.
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There's a female bishop, and so women are given
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Leadership roles.
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It's still catching up, because it's not equal, but i will say
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That it's so interesting to me that how people knew my
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Grandmother and the context of her life was as her husband's
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Wife, and i'm like, no, wait, when i go back and i hear these
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Stories and i put the pieces together, i'm pretty sure part
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Of the reason they were able to own a house in alabama is
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Because she had a good government job.
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Part of the reason why they were able to make sure every child
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Was focused on education, every child, my dad and his sisters
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Took piano lessons and had to know how to read music and play
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The piano, that's all my grandmother's influence, and
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That's all her brilliance.
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Right now my oldest cousin has had, i mean, fantastic jobs.
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If i said his name, like you would be like that's
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Your cousin?
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It's like yes, that's my cousin.
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All of that stems from the brilliance of my grandmother.
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And still in the context of her life, she's known as my
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Grandfather's wife.
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Now, here's the thing, he's awesome.
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He was great-granddaddy to me.
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I loved him, and he was amazing.
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Can't wait to see them both in heaven, but it is so interesting
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To me how her brilliance was couched into a smaller space
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That could be understood culturally.
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And so i realized that even in places where we have taken steps
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Forward, there is still this squeeze, and this squeeze has
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Been justified by certain scriptures that a lot of women
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Today would call problematic like 1 timothy 2:12, and i'm
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Interested because it's one thing to to hear, okay, this is
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What i get to do, this is who the lord has called me to be,
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And then there's another thing if you're watching this to know
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But how do i talk to that pastor who was my pastor growing up and
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I already feel like he has more authority than me?
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And how do i challenge with scripture this that's been held
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Culturally over our heads?
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Lisa: i can't really emphasize context enough when i'm with men
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Or women who really want to get the truth out of god's word.
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This is not a rule book, it's not a textbook, it's not a
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Collection of divine morality tales, and actually it's less
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About ethics than it is about relationships.
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It's wholesale about community.
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It's about the kind of intimacy we can have with the god who
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Created us, who has made a way for us to be reconciled with him
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Through jesus christ.
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So it is wholesale about relationship first with god and
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Then with each other.
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Ninety eight percent of the imperatives--that just means
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When god tells us to do something--in the new testament
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Are set in the context of community.
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If you don't get context, who god was speaking to, who the
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Original audience was, what was going on historically, it's very
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Easy to read this love letter kind of like we go to amazon
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Prime or instacart.
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I'll pick up this part, i like this part, that sounds good.
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I like that verse, because i can use that verse to really show my
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Ex that he was wrong.
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If you aren't careful, you'll read this book through your own
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Lens of preference, and you'll turn it into something that god
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Never, ever intended.
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Janice: and this is the moment where i'm so grateful that we
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Are sitting here together, and it's this combination, because
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I'm like dr. lynn?
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Lynn cohick: yeah.
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Lisa: well, 'cause usually the theologians we talk about are
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Dead, so to get to actually sit with a living one and go she's
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Not dead and go help us.
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Yeah, help us.
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Janice: how can we help people to have a biblical foundation
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For a context that they may not know, but they know in their
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Heart the lord is calling me.
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How do i explain this?
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Lynn: well, i think one thing that we want to remind ourselves
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Of is that we're reading letters, and letters, even like
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Texts or that kind of thing, assume a context.
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And so it invites us to think, okay, let's put the sandals on
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Of that group, of that congregation in ephesus that
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Timothy was leading.
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We're gonna remember that priscilla and aquila were there,
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And priscilla is teaching apollos.
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So we have an example of a woman teaching a man happening in that
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Church, okay?
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That is accepted by all, right?
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So we wanna keep that framework in mind.
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And then we need to ask ourselves why is paul
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Writing the letter?
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It's expensive to write letters, but he wants to stay in touch,
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So he's gonna be clear and probably concise, and he's not
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Gonna have to tell us everything, because he knows
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That they also know the context, right?
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So we start, and at the very beginning of the letter, i think
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It's verse 3, "instruct certain people not to teach
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False doctrine."
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Like, this is right out of the gate.
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Usually paul eases into things by saying i'm so grateful, i'm
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Thankful for this, you know?
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So we can see an urgency here right out of the gate, and these
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People are teaching false doctrine, and they're also
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Focused on myths and endless genealogies.
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So i want people to kind of just remember that, and we'll come
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Back to it.
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But for a couple of sentences here, paul will describe people
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Who are teaching falsely, so that sets up everything.
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We can't go to chapter two until we fully understand chapter one
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Is setting the stage of false teaching.
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Then when we get to chapter 2, and let's say we'll start at
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Verse 8 here, "for men to lift up everywhere, to lift holy
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Hands in prayer, not in argument."
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Okay, so we see that that not only are there false doctrine,
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There's rabbit trails they're running down with these endless
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Genealogies, there's also real contention.
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There's a frustration building between people.
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And then he asks the women.
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The women are to dress modestly, decency, in good sense, not
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With elaborate hairstyles, gold, pearls, or expensive apparel.
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Within this passage, verse 9 and 10, there are a lot of specific
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Terms that we don't find anywhere else in the
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Biblical text.
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I mean, they're words that are in greek, but they're not
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Typical in the bible that they don't occur elsewhere, but they
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Are pretty representative of how worship was done in the temple
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Of artemis and with the cult of artemis.
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Back then they used to dress-- women would dress in kind of a
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Way like they were a goddess, the goddess.
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There be particular ways like the elaborate hairstyles or
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The braid.
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It means a particular kind of braid hairstyle.
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Janice: like statue of liberty-esque.
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Lynn: yes, and you know, that's a type, and in fact, random
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Thought here.
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There's a very famous martyrdom account, perpetua and felicitas,
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And they were martyred in 203.
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And they're getting ready to go into the arena, and they dress
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The females as ceres, i think, and another goddess, and the men
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As something.
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And perpetua, who's the leader, says this was not part of the
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Agreement, right?
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I'm not gonna go into that arena dressed like this, right?
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So they allow her to wear her regular clothes.
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Lisa: and it was very seductive, too, wasn't it?
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That she--and very inappropriate dress yes.
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Lynn: and certainly not only for perpetua but also here, that
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The--and we know about this from a first century work that
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Is a romance novel.
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They had those back then, and there is one that's pretty
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Complete, and it's from ephesus.
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And so when you read that and then you look at this brief
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Description here, and i think here you have these women who
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Were raised pagan, when they think of holiness, what do they
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Think of?
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They think of those processions that went past their house on
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The way to this huge temple of artemis.
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So when when paul says--
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Lisa: and artemis herself is extremely sexualized, because i
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Was trying to explain it to my little girl missy before we went
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To ephesus, and she went, "mom!"
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Because missy's pretty modest, and she was like, "she has
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So many breasts."
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I was like, "she is the many breasted one."
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And so you've gotta get that context, or you don't know they
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Had this very unhealthy obsession with not just women
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And female idolatry, but the female body.
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Lynn: oh, certainly the greco-roman world overall,
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I mean it's just--it was not judeo-christian in their
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Modesty, not at all.
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But if that's what you're taught worship should look like, then
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That's all you know.
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And so paul is saying, no, this is not what we're to do.
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The other thing is getting that look requires a lot of effort,
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And so slaves aren't gonna look like this, and your average
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Woman's not gonna look like this, it's gonna be wealth, and
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If you have wealth, you are to flaunt it.
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That's another value of the roman world, so it's not like i
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Mean i have a gold wedding band, and i don't feel i'm disobeying
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Scripture here in wearing gold.
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What paul is meaning here is the elaborate use of your wealth
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That would by its very nature be putting other people down,
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You know?
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And so that's what's going on here before we get to the
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Passage that we wanna talk about.
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In other words, things are messed up.
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There will be slaves, freed men, freed women, shopkeepers, and
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Maybe some wealthy in what are small house churches in ephesus.
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That's what we're, you know, that's what we're
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Looking at here.
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Lisa: context is critical.
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If you actually wanna lean into the love of god, and you wanna
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Be shaped like jesus with the world we get to rub shoulders
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With, that can sound like, oh, goodness, how do i get context
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If i don't go to seminary?
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There are so many bibles nowadays that have context built
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Into the bible.
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The very beginning of each book will say here's the time period
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Of history that was happening, and here's the
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Original audience.
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Here's the author god used to write the story that holy spirit
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Was speaking, and all of a sudden you go, oh, wow, this is
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Even better than i thought it was.
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One of my favorite scholars, theologians, living theologians,
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Dr. craig keener, he says that if you expectations about the
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Bible, you need to raise them, because it's always bigger, and
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It's always better.
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It becomes bigger, better, much more clear with context.
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That just means you understand when god was speaking these
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Words, who he originally was speaking them to, and that kind
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Of clarifies the takeaway now as modern christ followers.
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Lynn: paul then in verse 11, the english can read a woman is to
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Learn in quietness and submission, but actually in the
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Greek text that's a command.
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So a woman is to learn is a very mild translation.
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Let a woman learn is another way to translate.
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Even that i wish it was a little bit stronger given our context.
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I command you, timothy, to teach women.
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Wow.
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So in the pagan culture, women might learn if they--when they
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Get let's say of age like high school, they would learn in the
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House if their father especially or maybe later their husband
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Depending on how old they were when they were married wanted
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Them to learn.
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But that's about it, whereas jewish women learned all
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The time.
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They went to synagogue every week, and the words of moses
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Were read, and there were hymns, and so you have jewish women
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That are--and the whole jewish culture has a way for women to
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Learn, that synagogues at this time in the first century were
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Not separated by sex.
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So you didn't have men on one side and women on the other.
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Families sat together, and they heard the word.
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But there's no pagan analog for that.
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So timothy, you've got to figure out a way that allows for women
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To learn that doesn't compromise modesty.
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Some of these women are gonna have unsaved husbands.
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These unsaved husbands are not gonna want their wives to go
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Over to some male neighbor's house, and so timothy has to
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Figure it out, but it's paul is so serious about this, it's
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A command.
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Janice: that's really interesting.
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I don't think we've seen that.
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It's so been a ceiling as opposed to opportunity
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That's it.
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But it's like the context changes everything.
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Lisa: all you hear is in quietness and full submission,
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And you gotta remember, you know, the women from that era
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That, that context, aren't used to learning, so they're gonna be
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Like, girl, what you've been listening to on the way?
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And i mean they're gonna be talking, and he's like, y'all,
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Like you get to learn, so listen, but usually all i grew
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Up hearing was in quietness and full submission.
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I didn't hear you get to learn in a culture where i'm not
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Allowed to go to school, so you go that's actually the most
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Pro-female verse, but it's been used all too often as a club to
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Beat us over the head.
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Lynn: and remember at the very beginning, the men who are
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Teaching the false doctrine, they also have to sit down and
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Learn, and they're gonna learn in submission.
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So we hear submission as though it's a female virtue or need,
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A focus, but it's all over.
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And in 1 peter chapter 2 verse 13, everyone is to
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Be submitting.
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So it's a value that christians hold not because they want a
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Hierarchy, but because we're all devoted to learn, and it
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Shows respect.
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Kristi mclelland: if the kingdom of god is the family of god,
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There are brothers and there are sisters, and it's almost back to
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The church fathers and the church mother type of an idea.
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The kingdom is anchored in harmony.
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It is difference coming together in unified harmony.
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It's like a dissonance, but one that makes sense and holds
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That's beautiful, and i really believe that there's things in
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The kingdom that we won't understand unless we really
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Learn it from women, and there's things in the kingdom that we're
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Not gonna really understand or learn unless we learn them
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From men.
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So let's embrace our brothers, let's embrace our sisters, let's
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Embrace our brothers and our sisters, and let's go be the
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Family of god.
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Lisa: remember when they lost the bible?
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I mean, god's people lost the bible, and when they discovered
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The bible again, that was during king josiah's reign, he became
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King when he was just like a second grader, but they found
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What they thought may be the word of god, and they took it to
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Hold to a woman to ratify it, to see is this indeed the word that
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Yahweh gave us?
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Is this the divine love letter god gave us?
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And she said yes, and she was legit, y'all.
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She didn't play, and there's just something about her
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Authority and her humility, her authority, and she told the
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Truth, and she's one of my favorite old testament heroines.
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Janice: so, then, what about verses 12 through 15?
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Because that's--
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Lisa: that's real smoke.
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We got some habanero up in the text.
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Janice: but yeah, that's like the.
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Lisa: so i am not permitting sounds, first of all it's in
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What we call the indicative, not the imperative.
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So the imperative, the command in this whole thing is let
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A woman learn.
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That's the command.
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Then in verse 12 it's the indicative, it is the i am
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Permitting, okay?
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And in this case negative, i am not permitting.
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So that particular verb is context-specific.
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You're talking about your little kids, so if one of them came to
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You and said, "mommy, can i have a cookie?"
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Janice: which he does.
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Lynn: yeah, and i remember those days from way back.
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Now, i might look at my watch, and if it's 4 in the afternoon,
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I would say i'm not permitting you to have a cookie, because
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Dinner's coming, and you'll spoil your appetite.
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But if i look at my watch and i say, hmm, it's 7:30 in the
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Evening, you had a good supper, you were playing, i bet you're
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Hungry before we go to bed.
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I am permitting you to have a cookie.
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You see how it's related to the context?
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And that's how this verb functions in the rest of the new
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Testament, right?
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It's usually in response to a situation, and so you need
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To make a decision.
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And paul is saying i am not permitting a woman, okay,
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And now to do what?
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To teach and to have authority.
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Now, the term to teach is your basic term to teach, but to have
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Authority, that's a really, really hard word, because it
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Doesn't occur anywhere else in the new testament, and it occurs
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Maybe three or five times in the related greek literature until
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You get to the second and third centuries.
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We spend a lot of time trying to figure out what it means.
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It's not a neutral verb.
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Like the translation says authority.
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There is a verb for authority that we find everywhere.
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It's just your base it's like what we mean when we say
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Authority, but this is a type of behavior that harms the other.
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It's like we were talking about when you use--like a bullying
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Would be a misuse of authority, right?
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The older kid that's supposed to help on the playground instead
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Bullies, that would be like this verb, [alfentane], right?
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So it's a negative, right?
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It may be that there are two things being talked about here,
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A woman to teach, full stop.
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And a woman to have this negative authority over man.
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Actually i should say this verb is never used with the subject
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Being a human and the direct object being a human.
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It's not the kind of authority that's ever acceptable even up
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Later in church history.
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Lisa: so it would be an abuse of power.
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Lynn: it's abuse of power.
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It's negative, but to teach is positive.
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That verb doesn't carry any inherent negativity, right?
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So, some people say you should blend these two verbs, which are
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In the infinitive form, blend them together, and it's
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Basically saying i'm not permitting women to teach in
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This very negative way.
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Okay, well, that sounds good.
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Or you could say i'm not permitting women to teach, but
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You can't say i'm not permitting women to teach men, because the
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Word men is in a particular form that wouldn't go with teach.
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You have to put it in a different form, but it does go
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With have authority over, which then i say, okay, so is paul
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Really saying women can't teach at all?
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Not kids, not other women, not proclaim the gospel
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To their neighbors?
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Of course not.
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Janice: with his track record, that would be silly.
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Lynn: it would be, yes.
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It makes no sense.
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It feels that this is a caution, that paul is wanting to put a
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Pause on at least what some women are saying.
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Because in general, like priscilla taught, you know,
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Phoebe presented romans.
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So inherently, there's nothing about being female that prevents
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You from teaching the word, but there's something going on here.
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And i think we find that out in the next two verses 13 and 14.
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Adam was formed first, then eve, and adam was not deceived, but
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The woman was deceived and transgressed.
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So i think, okay, well, who's saying that?
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Like, who is saying that eve was formed first?
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Well, the myth of artemis argues that, that artemis came first,
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And then her twin brother apollo.
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And who is saying that the woman was not deceived?
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Who's saying that eve was not deceived?
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Well, we know that very early in the second century there is a
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Rather large and expanding heresy called gnosticism that in
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Fact teaches that.
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The earliest big heresy that the church faced, and there are
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Church fathers in the late, well, like 180 to 220 that are
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Writing against gnosticism.
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So i wonder if some of these ideas started in ephesus, kind
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Of fully flowered in alexandria and rome.
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But those cities are always talking to each other, you know?
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If there is anybody saying that kind of stuff in ephesus, stop.
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And i think the men are too.
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The myths and endless genealogies that i mentioned,
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Well, if you read some of these gnostic texts, they talk about
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Higher knowledge.
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It's like you go through the levels of heaven, and each level
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Requires a special kind of knowledge, and they're all
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These myths.
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Lisa: like a video game.
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You have to keep unlocking to get to the next.
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Lynn: exactly, yes, yes, and the the myths that are perpetuated
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About these created beings and all that, i mean, it's so
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Different than genesis.
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You wouldn't--there's like no comparison, you know?
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If that kind of stuff is being taught both by the men and by
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The women, you gotta shut it down, but you can't shut it down
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The same way.
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Timothy can grab a bunch of guys, they can go out to
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Starbucks, settle it all, right?
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He cannot do that with women, so he's got to figure out a way to
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Teach and to help these women understand the gospel clearly.
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And i would say the final bit here in 15, but she will be
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Saved through childbearing.
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It does seem like not just here but throughout the letter, and
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Certainly a little bit later in the letter, we read that they
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Are not only teaching these myths and these false doctrines,
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But they're also saying it's better for you to be virginal or
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Ascetic celibate just like artemis.
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And so, paul i think, finishes by saying child bearing is
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Acceptable, it's how god made us.
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He's not insisting that everyone marry, of course, but more that
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This is acceptable and that, you know, i think there is, you can
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Read this theologically as well that she will be saved,
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Eve, right?
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And she is saved through mary and the birth of jesus and that
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We continue in faith, love, and holiness.
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Janice: i think god calls regardless of gender, social
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Status, or any kind of abilities to lead, because he
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Calls people.
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I mean, i think if we don't consider the fact that he's
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Willing to use any and all kinds of us, then we've thought too
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Highly of ourselves.
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The point is that god is holy, god is god, and man, all we had
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To offer was nothing, and he has decided to love us.
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He loves us, and he has decided we were so worth it that he
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Would send his son to die for us.
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So i think when you think of that, you realize, listen, none
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Of us--if we're talking about, you know, what anyone has to
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Offer, it's kind of like the difference in grass height
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From space.
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Like, it's nothing, you can't differentiate it.
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So, of course, yes, we're all poised to be used by the lord,
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Because it's all his grace anyway.
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Janice: what strikes me is he's responding to culture and the
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Church taking on more outside culture than kingdom culture.
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What's interesting to me is the church taking this on with its
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Own cultural bias only works to produce this same very thing.
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If you think about it, like the movements that come out of women
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Being offended by these scriptures.
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Lead women to decide, you know what?
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We don't need men anyway and et cetera, et cetera,
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And it's like--
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Lisa: it perpetuates.
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Well, i remember just kind of being shocked a couple of
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Years ago.
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I went to see the second wonder woman movie, and people forget
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Artemis and diana are conflated, and just seeing the set up of
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The mythical amazon tribe, but it's kind of cool if you're
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A girl who was a tomboy.
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I'm like i wanna ride a horse and do the olympics,
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And that's so cool.
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And then you go, oh, that's the context of artemis.
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We make it into a marvel or avengers or whoever i always
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Get it--
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We make it into, yeah, actually kind of a penultimate woman, and
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You go that actually is what paul was fighting against to go,
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No, women if you get all the authority, you'll miss
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The point.
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Jesus is the one where--and you need to do that in family, so
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It's very interesting, because i think you're exactly right.
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We tend to go, well, then i'm gonna, and i'm like mm-mm.
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You're perpetuating exactly what he's fighting against, and what
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He's fighting for is unity.
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Toni: i think one of the ways that we become women who, when
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We're called, when we are brought into a leadership
00:28:41.377 --> 00:28:43.746
Position, actually just go for it and are bold and passionate,
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Is that we really got to figure out how to ride this pendulum
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Of confident humility.
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We can have confidence in who god is and humility in our gifts
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And talents.
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That confidence piece in who god is really gives us the boldness
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To say if the lord called me to do a thing, he is going to see
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It through.
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When we're humble in our gifts, we actually start leaning on our
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Own power that always runs out, on our own strength that always
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Is too weak for the job, and instead we rest in the
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Confidence of who god is.
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And i think that strategy is how we do this really well.
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Toni: rex, who watches us on youtube asks, is it god's will
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For a woman to be the breadwinner for her family?
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Lisa: well, god makes it really clear that his will for us is to
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Have a hope and a future.
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And so if for this season the female in your family has a
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Higher paying job, hallelujah.
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Look at how god's providing.
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I'm a single mama.
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You better bet i'm gonna do everything i can so that my
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Daughter is able to be clothed and go to a decent school and
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Have enough to eat and have the books she needs to be educated
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With, so i'm the only breadwinner of my family.
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But my daddy owns the cattle on a thousand hills, and so there
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Are also a lot of models in scripture where proverbs 31,
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Where deborah, where women seemingly make a higher salary
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Than the man in that particular family.
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You also see that in luke chapter 8, susannah and her
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Friends provided for jesus, underwrote his ministry with
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Their means.
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You see in romans 16, the benefactors to paul's ministry
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Were also female.
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So if god has blessed you with a good paying job, and god hasn't
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Said don't do that, then thank god and run hard in the lane he
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Has you in this season and then make sure that your gratitude to
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The lord, that that's revealed in generosity.
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So you just say thank you, thank you, thank you, because at
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The end of the day, we are not-- we're stewards of what he--
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We don't own anything.
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We are stewards, so when it passes through you, make sure
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You bless other people with it.
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Toni: you know what i realized sitting here is that we're both
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Single mamas, and for me i haven't always been the
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Breadwinner of our family, and i am now, and i gotta tell you
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This i have seen the goodness of god.
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Lisa: yeah, me too.
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Kristi: when i think about the gospels and how jesus modeled
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Servant leadership, the first thing that comes to my mind is
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That he was always with and among the people.
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You think about the tabernacle and the old testament, the
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Living god wanted it planted with the 12 tribes of israel
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Around it, because the lord said, "i want to dwell
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Among my people."
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And so you fast forward to jesus in the new testament, and he's
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Walking through a field of mustard seed with his disciples,
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And all of a sudden you hear him say, "what shall i compare the
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Kingdom of god to?
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It's like a mustard seed."
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And i love that with all the power of heaven in him, he chose
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To come here, walk this earth, and walk it with his disciples
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And with his people.
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And today he's still doing that with you and me.
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Toni: i don't know about y'all, but the one thought that's come
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Into my mind this whole time is i just long and desire for a
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Unifying god, because i think it makes him bigger.
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When we begin to parcel out, okay, well, the men have to do
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This, and the women have to do this.
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When we start to break down what i think the lord is trying to
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Do, i just think he becomes smaller.
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If this big, beautiful god of the universe has decided to only
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Spread his gospel through one gender, how little does
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That make him?
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Janice: it makes him a little petty.
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Toni: it makes him a little petty.
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It makes him have favorites.
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Like, i don't want a god that plays favorites.
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I want a god that's longing to set all of the captives free and
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Longing to use everyone to do it.
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I want a god that says everyone, come on, let's go get in the
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Trenches, and let's go make heaven full.
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And it's bothering me a little bit to think that anyone would
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Want anything else.
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Lynn: humanity made in the image and likeness of god includes men
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And women together.
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That's been the plan all along.
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And when we see men and women working shoulder to shoulder,
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Side by side for the sake of the gospel, there is such energy and
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Maybe i even say revival.
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When you look at the gospel of luke, for example, or especially
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The book of acts, you'll see women and men preaching the
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Gospel, teaching the good news, miracles happening, the church
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Growing, and the word of god spreading.
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Men and women together, there is a dynamic, because it's built
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Into the creation that the lord is honored as men and women work
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Together, and the gospel is brought forward as men and women
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Work together, because that's how we're made.
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Janice: i've seen this in my own life and in the lives of friends
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And family around me, that even places where culture would
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Minimize or marginalize, god has been so creative and pushing
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People forward just in the same way he's been in scripture where
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You see like women doing things and him showing up.
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Lynn: you know, later, thinking about context and all of this,
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And there's a really powerful-- and it's had a horrible history
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Of interpretation in our country--
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In chapter 6 of 1 timothy.
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All those who are slaves should regard their masters as worthy
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Of all respect.
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Janice: yeah, let's hit it.
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Lynn: so, we now, not always, because there's absolutely
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Racism, but i'm just talking legal here, we have recognized
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That although slavery in the new testament is talked about, it's
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Not prescribed.
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It's not as though cultures have to do this.
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It's that it was there, and paul is writing to believers who are
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In that social category, exactly.
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And so that slave is co-heirs with their master in christ.
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So the gospel can work through that slave woman and that slave
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Man as much as their master.
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So when we read these first verses of chapter 6, we are
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Already re- like interpreting them in a way in our
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Context, right?
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Because we realize that's paul's day.
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Now, it's still god's word to us, but we recognize that what
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Paul is getting at in here is you can live the gospel whatever
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Your social context, but the gospel does not promote the
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Institution of slavery.
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Janice: yes, and i have had to come to grips with that
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Personally in the sense that when i think about the fact that
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People were enslaved in this country for their entire lives,
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And god was still good, and his word was still true, and the
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Gospel still worked for them.
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And so that to me is what i think of when i read this
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Passage, because it's like, well, yeah.
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If your entire life or even before the israelites were were
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Free, it's like for 400 years, how many generations is that
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Where you have to know that god is real in the midst of that
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When that's gonna be somebody's entire earthly life?
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Lisa: it reminds me of hebrews where, you know, at the end of--
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We see that chapter 11 is being all the luminaries, but i'm
00:37:09.218 --> 00:37:12.488
Like, did you get to the sophomore class?
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Because then you've got all the yay-hoos like me who messed up
00:37:15.224 --> 00:37:18.494
Again, and you know, there's samson and jephthah, and then
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Those who did not obtain what they hoped for.
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But is god still on the throne?
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Absolutely.
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Did they suffer?
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Yes, they did, and he's still good, and they were still--
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There were still chains that he was breaking off of them, so it
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Is interesting how we, you know, we see so limited, so
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Myopically, because we see through time and space in our
00:37:40.350 --> 00:37:42.885
Own circumstances, but you look at the enormity of this
00:37:42.885 --> 00:37:46.456
Perfectly compassionate god, and you go he is still redeeming.
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He is never not in the process of redeeming.
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Kristi: the quintessential symbol of christianity
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Is the cross.
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It is the cruciform life.
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It's not a throne.
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It's not caesar and rome.
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It's jesus crucified, buried, raised again on the third day.
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And so when i think about servant leadership, we are
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Not orphans, and we are not the fatherless.
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We don't have to worry about going down, because the living
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God will lift us up.
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I can give my life away because the living god is giving it back
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To me in manifold fashion.
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I don't need to lord anything over somebody.
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I wanna walk with shoulder to shoulder, serving, making the
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Living god known unto the ends of the earth with my brothers
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And sisters in the family of god.
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Janice: even when i look at the end of my grandmother's life,
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And she had a sort of dementia, and it was many of us she didn't
00:38:44.614 --> 00:38:49.552
Recognize, but the person she knew was my grandfather.
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Obviously by the end of their lives, they had a beautiful
00:38:53.423 --> 00:38:57.760
Symbiotic relationship that where they realized each other's
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:02.832
Value, you know what i mean?
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And it's kind of like in that moment culture has less to say
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When she is losing her memory of how she might have been
00:39:09.272 --> 00:39:12.708
Offended, but she has connected with this person, and that
00:39:12.708 --> 00:39:15.678
Connection is intact, and then she passed before my
00:39:15.678 --> 00:39:18.981
Grandfather, and watching his devastation in that moment,
00:39:18.981 --> 00:39:23.519
Like that was my friend, that was my person.
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:26.656
I got a whole bunch of children and grandchildren back here,
00:39:26.656 --> 00:39:30.893
But i can't even see you, you know what i mean?
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And so it's kind of like even at the end of her life, seeing her
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Legacy, their legacy, and how, you know, a fence ages out
00:39:36.532 --> 00:39:41.103
After a while.
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Once you've gotten to a place, and you realize that god has
00:39:42.472 --> 00:39:45.074
Been faithful your entire life and the little things people
00:39:45.074 --> 00:39:48.311
Tried to rob you of, actually it was just $5 compared to the $1
00:39:48.311 --> 00:39:52.782
Trillion that god had for you, it just, it fizzles, and you
00:39:52.782 --> 00:39:57.253
Realize that he's faithful anyway.
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Toni: we all have a uniting purpose when it comes to the
00:39:59.255 --> 00:40:03.025
Gospel, and it is to spread it to the ends of the earth.
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I do not want to waste too much energy fighting people who won't
00:40:06.729 --> 00:40:10.266
Go with the full gospel of the lord.
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I'd like to spend more energy on going with the people who don't
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Know yet and who will stand in the trenches with me and say we
00:40:16.973 --> 00:40:21.544
Are brothers and sisters, and we have a much,
00:40:21.544 --> 00:40:25.615
Much greater mission.
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And i do think there's just gonna be this nuance to that,
00:40:26.949 --> 00:40:29.552
Where we spend our lives educating and offering up the
00:40:29.552 --> 00:40:33.022
Truth of what the gospel says and of what the lord has given
00:40:33.022 --> 00:40:35.992
Us through the bible and a pause to say, yeah, we still got a
00:40:35.992 --> 00:40:40.296
Greater mission here, and we gotta go with the people who are
00:40:40.296 --> 00:40:42.899
Like all people on deck, let's go, you know?
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Lisa: so, god can reveal himself any way he chooses, but because
00:40:46.969 --> 00:40:50.339
He loves us so much, he said i want you to be in on
00:40:50.339 --> 00:40:56.679
Redemption with me.
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So he wrote the story in such a way that he didn't just deliver
00:40:58.047 --> 00:41:03.619
Us from our sins.
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He delights to be in relationship with us.
00:41:05.855 --> 00:41:09.892
We get to be part of the celebration, and we get to be
00:41:09.892 --> 00:41:16.432
Part of watching him redeem the broken people in places
00:41:16.432 --> 00:41:21.170
Around us.
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So it's really purely because of god's compassion that we get to
00:41:22.505 --> 00:41:26.008
Be part of this.
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If you haven't started telling the story of how he's changed
00:41:27.343 --> 00:41:31.480
Your life, don't do it out of duty.
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:34.584
He doesn't need you.
00:41:34.584 --> 00:41:36.552
People aren't projects.
00:41:36.552 --> 00:41:39.288
The other image bearers around us actually are brothers
00:41:39.288 --> 00:41:41.724
And sisters.
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Your family gets bigger, and it gets better if you lean in
00:41:43.092 --> 00:41:46.162
To the kingdom purposes of god.
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Janice: thank you so much for giving us context and all that
00:41:49.732 --> 00:41:54.403
It cost you to study that over the years.
00:41:54.403 --> 00:41:57.273
And i'll be emotional, but all that it's cost you with your
00:41:57.273 --> 00:42:00.076
Colleagues and in church when you just try to go to worship
00:42:00.076 --> 00:42:04.714
And you still have to be yourself there and somebody
00:42:04.714 --> 00:42:07.650
There has a problem with that, so thank you for all that it
00:42:07.650 --> 00:42:10.286
Took to learn that, too, all the hours of study and checking and
00:42:10.286 --> 00:42:15.625
Rechecking, because it's not the popular opinion.
00:42:15.625 --> 00:42:18.527
And just--i was about to say before we end, can you speak to
00:42:18.527 --> 00:42:21.697
Why context is so important when we study the word?
00:42:21.697 --> 00:42:25.835
Because that, the richness of what she just gave us is
00:42:25.835 --> 00:42:29.972
Available as we study the word and as we hear the holy spirit.
00:42:29.972 --> 00:42:33.943
Lisa: i've learned so much at the feet of dr. cohick, because
00:42:33.943 --> 00:42:38.247
You know, i grew up in the church, and you hear somebody
00:42:38.247 --> 00:42:40.950
Preach that you respect, and i go, well, that's what the bible
00:42:40.950 --> 00:42:43.452
Says, and you go yeah.
00:42:43.452 --> 00:42:46.622
Sometimes it reads in english in black, white, and red like
00:42:46.622 --> 00:42:50.526
That's what the bible is saying, but if you don't get the
00:42:50.526 --> 00:42:52.528
Sociohistorical context, that's not what god was--
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Toni: it's not the understanding.
00:42:56.399 --> 00:42:57.733
Lisa: i was thinking when dr. cohick was talking about
00:42:57.733 --> 00:42:59.435
Context, one of my favorite obvious passages that kind of
00:42:59.435 --> 00:43:04.106
Frames the importance of context is in deuteronomy.
00:43:04.106 --> 00:43:07.043
Deuteronomy chapter 22.
00:43:07.043 --> 00:43:08.377
This won't convict anybody.
00:43:08.377 --> 00:43:09.745
It's just fun.
00:43:09.745 --> 00:43:11.080
Deuteronomy, yeah, this is like deuteronomy chapter 22 verse 8,
00:43:11.080 --> 00:43:14.784
"when you build a new house, you shall make a parapet for your
00:43:14.784 --> 00:43:17.486
Roof that you may not bring the guilt of blood upon your house
00:43:17.486 --> 00:43:20.589
If anyone should fall from it."
00:43:20.589 --> 00:43:22.591
Do any of y'all have fences?
00:43:22.591 --> 00:43:25.061
That's what a parapet means, just a decorative
00:43:25.061 --> 00:43:27.163
Fence, basically.
00:43:27.163 --> 00:43:28.497
Do you have a fence on the very top
00:43:28.497 --> 00:43:29.965
Of your house around your roof?
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Kristi: i do not.
00:43:31.300 --> 00:43:32.635
Lisa: do you have a fence around the very top of your roof?
00:43:32.635 --> 00:43:34.370
Toni: no.
00:43:34.370 --> 00:43:35.705
Lisa: do you have a fence there?
00:43:35.705 --> 00:43:37.073
Do you have a fence?
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Sinners, you're all sinners, because it's in the bible.
00:43:38.407 --> 00:43:41.243
The context is that small homes, so when they had dinner parties
00:43:41.243 --> 00:43:45.614
Or somebody came over to play pictionary, they'd usually do it
00:43:45.614 --> 00:43:47.950
On the roof, and so god is telling his people, hey, when
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Y'all have your friends over, you know, y'all need to put a
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Rail on the edge of your-- i think god speaks y'all,
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By the way.
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That's the message point southern version.
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You need to have a rail for community care so that people
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Don't fall off a roof when they're getting all animated
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With a pictionary, you know, just care for the people who are
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In your care.
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Now, do i have a fence around my roof?
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No, but you've been to my home, and i live on a steep,
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Steep hill.
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And so when it's winter time in tennessee, i usually have a
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Gator, john deere gator, and i will tell people park at the
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Bottom of my hill, and i'll drive you back to your car after
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We're done with dinner, because it is so sketchy getting down
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My driveway.
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I don't want you to run off that edge of the driveway.
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That would be contextually a parapet.
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I'm caring for people when they come over to my home so they
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Won't be hurt.
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So that shows you, and when people go we've got to be
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Careful, it's like, well, yes, he tells us all throughout be
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Careful to understand what i'm giving you.
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These are promises and parameters never meant to be
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Pejorative or punitive.
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So, yes, take time to understand who was writing this?
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Who was the original audience?
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What's a sociohistorical context?
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That's not being liberal, that's wanting to know the heart of god
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For us, and it's always redemptive.
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Kristi: when i think about just a perspective of leadership and
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Serving others, i think about the beatitudes.
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You know, jesus talked about who was really blessed, and the
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Caesars would have an idea of what it means to be blessed,
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You're healthy, you're wealthy, the world is your oyster.
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But jesus leads out in matthew 5, the beginning of the sermon
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On the mound of blessed are the poor in spirit, blessed are
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Those who mourn, and on and on and on.
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And one of the things that i think about is i have found the
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Lord so closely and profoundly in those low times in my life.
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Yes, he can be known on a mountain, but the living god is
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Also known in the valley, in the desert, in the wilderness, and
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It's oftentimes been through serving that i have gotten to
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Know him in this way.
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Janice: thank you ladies.
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Krisit, can you pray for us?
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I feel like you are a brilliant southern woman.
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I would say ahead of your time who the lord has made space for
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Over and over again unapologetically, but i know in
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Some uncomfortable ways, in some ways that you've been grateful
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For, but can you pray for the people watching that they would
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Find god's creativity in the midst of human limitations and
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That they would trust that his purpose is still big enough
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And possible?
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Kristi: yes, yeah, let's pray.
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Father, thank you that the bible is the best and truest story
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That's ever been told.
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And, lord, for all that we've just heard and witnessed, would
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You give us eyes to see and ears to hear that the bible is
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A story of shalom?
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It has the welcome of heaven all in it.
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That you have a table, o living god, and you are inviting the
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Entire world to it.
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And so lord, i pray that you would just raise up your sons
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And daughters to be less concerned with fencing your
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Table than inviting the world to it.
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Lord, let us be saved, sanctified, holy spirit-filled,
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Word-of-god-informed agents, emissaries, and ambassadors out
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In this world inviting this world to your table.
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And lord, as for me and my house, i believe that you are
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Inviting me when i read your bible to read it generously with
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A wide berth and an open table.
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Thank you for this hour today, and lord, let us all, those of
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Us sitting in these chairs and those joining us from the ends
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Of the earth today, lord, give us a curiosity that leans into
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These things.
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What does it look like for us to be agency of shalom and not
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Scarcity in this world?
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And even concerning things like first timothy 2 and many others,
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Lord give us eyes to see and ears to hear and give us hearts
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Of courage to follow you to dream that the story is better
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Than the one that we have been told or the one that we might
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.376
Currently know.
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In jesus's name we pray, amen.
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Announcer: connect with us on social media and let us know how
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Our team can pray for you.
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Toni: so, for anyone that's out there like, well, i'm just a
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Mom, and i just kind of stay at home and do these things, and
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I'm not really called to lead, i've gotta let you know that one
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Of the most important things that i have ever personally done
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Is not write a book or record a podcast or a bible study, but
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Raise my children.
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When i get to see the glory of god through my children, i know
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That i am making my mark in heaven, because those little
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Babies are not exposed to a counterfeit junior holy spirit.
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They are getting to experience the full glory of god because
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Their mom knows that leading them to christ is more important
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Than anything i can lead outside of my house.
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And that is the same for you.
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Lynn: if anybody's ever told you that being a disciple of our
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Lord jesus is an easy walk.
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Well, they weren't telling you the whole thing.
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And part of being on this path with jesus is that he invites us
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To take risks.
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And oftentimes for women that risk is standing out, stepping
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Up, giving your opinion, saying what you believe is right in
00:50:01.256 --> 00:50:09.565
That situation.
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Rest assure that the holy spirit will empower you in this.
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Keep your eyes focused on the lord jesus, and don't be
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Distracted by others who might try to turn down your volume or
00:50:21.643 --> 00:50:27.683
Tell you to sit back down.
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As a disciple of the lord jesus christ filled with the holy
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Spirit, you are to honor god as he prompts you to live in
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Righteousness and pursue justice.
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Live into that which is your high calling.
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Does God Choose Women to Lead? - Episode 1084

August 7, 2025 | S7 E1084 | 52:34

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