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God Gives You Victory! - Episode 1128

December 24, 2025 | S7 E1128 | 52:34

God Gives You Victory! - Episode 1128
You are held by a Mighty God! Jesus stepped into our world as the grand finale to Heaven's rescue mission. He saved us from death and conquered evil once and for all. Because He has all power and all authority, we have nothing to fear. | TBN Prayer Line: 714-731-1000
#Christmas #Protection #Fear #Hope #Freedom #Faith #Victory #SpiritualWarfare #Authority #Death #Strength #LaurieCrouch #StephanieIkeOkafor #DeeDeeFreeman #RobynWilkerson #JeannieMunsey #KalleyHeiligenthal

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Better Together | God Gives You Victory! - Episode 1128 | December 24, 2025
  • Laurie crouch: we have a mighty god who saves.
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  • Today we celebrate the birth of jesus, who loved us enough to
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  • Step into our hurting world, set us free, and hold us close.
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  • Come on, we need to talk about it.
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  • [music]
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  • Stephanie ike: just in this season of celebration and
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  • Bringing back our wonder to jesus and who he is, and one of,
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  • You know, one of the ways that we can call on him is that he's
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  • A mighty god.
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  • And you know, when i think back on my life, even earlier i
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  • Shared about what happened with my father, and that was almost
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  • Like the beginning of it, you know, because growing up in
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  • Nigeria in that time, there was not as much protection for
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  • Women, especially when there is the, you know, the husband
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  • Passes away, and so there was no protection around his assets and
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  • Things like that, and there was a lot of threats coming in from
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  • Some of my father's family members, because they wanted to
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  • Take control of his assets and control of so many things, and
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  • We're talking about death threats and, you know,
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  • It was really--
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  • Laurie: from family?
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  • Stephanie: from family you know, to the point where my mom was
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  • Like, look, they could have it.
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  • It's not--like my kids need me, you know?
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  • But i don't know what it was.
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  • It was evil, that's really what it was, but there was so much.
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  • You know, there were times where people were sent to the house.
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  • It was just a lot of weird things that we experienced, but
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  • What i experienced that was greater than all of that was the
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  • Hand of god that protected us, just the covering of the lord.
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  • And i think that we were, even as children we were threats to
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  • The evil, because it's like if you guys get older, you might
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  • Want to come back for these things, right?
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  • But god covered us.
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  • There are things that i can't even explain in the ways that
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  • He did.
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  • There was a time i remember growing up that they had
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  • Actually sent assassins to our house, and the way that it was
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  • Uncovered and the way that god revealed it and destroyed the
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  • Plans of the enemy, it was only god.
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  • And so i have experienced some of the extreme ways of seeing
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  • God's protection, of seeing how god is literally, that he is the
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  • Best security guard.
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  • And i've also seen it in simple ways.
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  • I've seen it where the lord instructs you to do something,
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  • And out of obedience, you walk out in faith, and you have no
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  • Clue what is about to happen.
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  • You have no clue if there's something that's gonna catch you
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  • When you make this big sacrifice and you leave a job, or you
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  • Walk--whatever that looks like, i've just seen how literally god
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  • Has sustained me, held us, has carried us through every season
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  • Of life, seasons where it seemed like it was confusing, lack,
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  • Abundance, lack, you know, all of that.
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  • I've just seen the hand of god, and it's so comforting to me,
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  • Because i think especially in the times that we're in right
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  • Now, whether it is--even if we don't have the physical threat
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  • Of fear, but there is just the natural threats, whether it's
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  • Diseases or just the craziness going on in the world.
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  • Your family member might not be threatening you, but people are
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  • Afraid to go to the grocery stores, because they don't know
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  • Who else has lost their mind, you know?
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  • And so what i'm holding on to in this time is god is my coverage,
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  • And i cannot explain--and i think where we find this
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  • Conflict is but where was god for this other family?
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  • Where was god for, you know, this person?
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  • How do i know that if god wasn't there for them, how would he be
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  • There for in my life?
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  • And when i think about that, i'm like i don't know the layers of
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  • Your life.
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  • I don't know what god has prepared that family to endure.
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  • I don't know if what you're complaining about and what
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  • You're confused about they have clarity about, so i cannot
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  • Compare when i don't have the full story of their walk
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  • With god.
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  • I can only speak about what i've seen in my life.
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  • And i think when we start looking at god's track record
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  • With us as individuals that i can find safety and security to
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  • Know that, god, you're gonna keep--you're gonna hold me,
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  • You're gonna carry me through everything.
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  • Deedee freeman: that's beautiful, because you have to
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  • Know what god will do for you.
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  • You gotta believe for you.
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  • Like, my story isn't subject to the testimony of others, and a
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  • Lot of people will compare and think, okay, god, if you weren't
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  • Here for them, surely you aren't gonna be here for me, but it
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  • Goes back to one of the other shows when you said who is god
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  • To you?
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  • Like, who is the god that we're talking about here, you know?
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  • Because we put definitions to who god is, and we define him to
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  • Be what we think he should be opposed sometimes even than what
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  • The word says.
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  • It's like is he a healer or not?
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  • Is he a deliverer or he's not, you know?
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  • He's not gonna be so many different things, you know,
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  • To what he said he is.
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  • He's gonna be it.
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  • If he's a healer to you, he's a healer to me, you know?
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  • And so we really do have to own who he happens to be, and then
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  • That's how we would really know him as that strength, that
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  • Person that will be there with us regardless of what we
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  • Go through.
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  • Jeannie munsey: you know, when i was eight years old, i received
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  • Baptism of the holy spirit, and you know, as a kid, i was
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  • Just young.
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  • I can't even tell you that really totally understood, but i
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  • Had an innocent and a pure heart, that i said, "jesus,
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  • I want to know you.
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  • I accept you into my heart."
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  • And through the years and through the many ups and downs
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  • That i faced, i remember at one point in my life i had been
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  • Given the diagnosis of i carried the germ--tuberculosis germ,
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  • And they told me that i would never recover and that i would
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  • Always carry that the rest of my life, and i think i was about
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  • Maybe 13, 14 years old, and i was innocent and untainted, and
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  • I just believed that god could heal me, and i remember i prayed
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  • And i would sit at the piano as a 14 year old, i didn't play the
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  • Piano very good at the time, but i played with my heart, and i
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  • Would sing that song,
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  • ♪ thank you, lord. ♪
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  • ♪ i just want to thank you. ♪
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  • And it's a song that andrae crouch wrote many years ago
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  • About there were lepers and only one came back to say thank you.
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  • And for me, god became very real in those moments.
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  • And then as i faced different crisis and conflict and even
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  • Tragedy, tragedies that i faced in my life, i saw the realness
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  • Of god.
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  • So here i am all these years later.
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  • I hope that i can always keep a pure heart before the lord,
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  • Because he has loved me like nobody else.
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  • He has given me favor, he has given me honor, and the goodness
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  • Of god is just the most amazing thing to me.
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  • Deedee: i remember a few years ago now, like in 2014 when my
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  • Husband got sick, i mean, like the doctors had totally given
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  • Him up.
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  • I mean, he was really doing bad, and i remember how i had to
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  • Stand even during that time.
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  • It was like it was no question, it was no second thought of what
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  • I was gonna do, but i was prepared for that, because i had
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  • Developed a relationship with him being the god of my
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  • Strength, the standby, you know, the one who was really gonna be
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  • There to carry me through.
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  • Yeah, i remember when he was in the hospital and i had to get up
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  • And go and minister at church even when they were telling me
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  • My husband wasn't gonna survive.
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  • What do you do with that?
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  • You know, either you're gonna believe the report of the lord
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  • Or you're not.
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  • Is god with you?
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  • Or he's not.
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  • And we talk about faith and what we believe.
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  • Well, for me, if i really believe that god is who he says
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  • He is, then it shouldn't change who i was prior to getting this
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  • Information, you understand?
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  • So it's like, okay, god, i believe you to be the healer, i
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  • Believe you to be the deliverer, i believe that my husband shall
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  • Live and not die, so what do i do?
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  • I know you're here with me.
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  • So that strength in me carried me to go and minister, you know,
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  • To people at church, and none of them knew how bad the situation
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  • Was, not because i was fake or phony, but it was because of
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  • What i believe.
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  • It's like, god, i truly believe that you are present, that you
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  • Are here with me, that you are my strength, that you will carry
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  • Me through this, and that's what i relied on regardless of how
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  • Bad things happened to be.
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  • And so we talk good, we have the whole, you know, church lingo,
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  • If you will, but what do we really believe?
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  • Either he's our strength or he's not.
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  • Jeannie: and that comes down to it, you can't wait till you go
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  • Through a difficult time to find your faith.
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  • You have to know what you believe before you ever get
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  • There, because at some point so many people will face
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  • Difficulties, but if they're saying, well, why isn't god
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  • Coming through?
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  • Well, they've got to go back to what--where their belief is,
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  • And they've got to build that.
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  • Now, like if you think down the road, you don't know what life
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  • Will come at you or what the enemy will throw at you.
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  • What do you believe now?
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  • Because whatever you believe now, that will carry you into
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  • The next season.
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  • So, if your faith isn't strong, if you aren't allowing yourself
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  • To be tested, if you're comparing your life to somebody
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  • Else's life rather than really just believing it, the lord is
  • 00:10:27.983 --> 00:10:31.954
  • In charge of your life, that he is the mighty god.
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  • I think of the mighty god is like mighty warrior, you know?
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  • But mighty is not always in terms of power, it's that quiet
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  • Power of faith that resides on the inside of us that will carry
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  • Us through, that will allow you to get into the go and minister
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  • In the pulpit in spite of the fact that your circumstances
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  • Could be devastating.
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  • Deedee: knowing the strength of god being on your side or being
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  • Inside of you is something that you have to know.
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  • It's not a feeling, it's not based upon circumstances, it's
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  • Totally based upon his word.
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  • What did god say to you?
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  • What did god promise you?
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  • What do you believe god as?
  • 00:11:19.401 --> 00:11:22.571
  • Like stephanie was talking on the show, who is god to you?
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  • Who is this god that you say you believe in?
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  • What have you created as a picture of who this god is?
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  • When you get your picture in alignment with the word of god,
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  • I promise you, you're gonna know that god is right there
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  • With you.
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  • Laurie: unquestionable, undeniable power, you know?
  • 00:11:47.696 --> 00:11:52.401
  • And i love that either he is or he isn't.
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  • I got to that.
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  • And i was so tired of hearing excuses of why things weren't
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  • Going right or why this hadn't come through or why that, and i
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  • Just got--it was bad.
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  • And i got in the car, we were traveling back from arizona to
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  • California, and i just started telling matt in the car.
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  • I said either he did or he didn't, either he is or
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  • He isn't.
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  • Either i have to fight or i get to receive what he did, right?
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  • And so it was just this, and it was just this defiant i am
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  • Getting to the bottom of this nonsense, and either i believe
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  • Or i don't.
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  • So basically what we believe and what we live by is what we
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  • Believed of what did or didn't happen at the cross.
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  • So either he has all authority over every demonic spirit, over
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  • Death, over the hell, and over the grave, and he's the victor
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  • Or he's not, or he didn't.
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  • Either we get to live in that victorious thing that this
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  • Battle belongs to almighty god.
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  • He already fought my battles.
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  • It's already won, and i get to rest in that and walk this out
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  • In faith.
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  • So does that mean that today he's my healer and tomorrow i
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  • Get a bad diagnosis.
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  • Does that change god?
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  • No, he's forever the same.
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  • Stephanie: i love it so much, because it's also like because
  • 00:13:21.857 --> 00:13:25.294
  • God is the word, right?
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  • And so the word carries you through seasons.
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  • And just this morning i was talking to one of my--a family
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  • Member, and we were--she was just reminding me--
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  • Laurie: a good one or a bad one?
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  • Stephanie: no, these are beautiful ones, but we were just
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  • Like reflecting on just how god has been so faithful.
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  • So there was a time that she had this dream, and in the dream the
  • 00:13:45.881 --> 00:13:50.653
  • Lord gave her two things.
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  • He gave her a bible and then he gave her a name, and that will
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  • Be the name of the child he's given her shortly after she
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  • Gets pregnant.
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  • And she's researching the name she's like he didn't tell me
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  • Like the gender, so she's researching the name, and she's
  • 00:14:04.533 --> 00:14:07.303
  • Like it's a female name, so this has to be a girl.
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  • Then a couple months after that, they find out she had a tumor in
  • 00:14:12.908 --> 00:14:17.146
  • Her brain, and the doctors in order to treat the tumor, they
  • 00:14:17.146 --> 00:14:21.850
  • Said it would be best if we terminate the pregnancy, that
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  • This is going to affect the baby.
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  • We need to terminate the pregnancy.
  • 00:14:27.156 --> 00:14:29.558
  • And she was like, no, god gave me a word.
  • 00:14:29.558 --> 00:14:34.830
  • In this dream he gave me two things, the bible, which
  • 00:14:34.830 --> 00:14:38.434
  • Represented his word, and it was almost like this is you're going
  • 00:14:38.434 --> 00:14:41.804
  • To be your fighting power in order to receive the second
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  • Thing i will give you.
  • 00:14:44.707 --> 00:14:46.308
  • And in that time--and she, her whole family, it's a whole
  • 00:14:46.308 --> 00:14:50.512
  • Family of just doctors and everyone is in the medical
  • 00:14:50.512 --> 00:14:53.382
  • Field, so medically they're like you need.
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  • It's not something that is gonna be--it's not like you're making
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  • The decision, it's not an option, you need to terminate
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  • The pregnancy, because this baby might not survive the treatment.
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  • And she was like, no, because she's a doctor as well, and
  • 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.269
  • She's like, no, god's word, it's more potent to me than even my
  • 00:15:14.269 --> 00:15:19.041
  • Knowledge of like of my body.
  • 00:15:19.041 --> 00:15:22.711
  • And she held on to that, and now her daughter is a teenager, and
  • 00:15:22.711 --> 00:15:28.550
  • We were reflecting on that, that sometimes the word of god, that
  • 00:15:28.550 --> 00:15:32.855
  • Prophecy, even when you're reading, it may not even be that
  • 00:15:32.855 --> 00:15:35.891
  • Someone came up to you and gave you a prophetic message, but
  • 00:15:35.891 --> 00:15:38.994
  • You're reading that something jumps at you, that he is a
  • 00:15:38.994 --> 00:15:42.164
  • Healer, and you don't even understand why that resonates
  • 00:15:42.164 --> 00:15:45.434
  • With you so much, but then down the line you're experiencing
  • 00:15:45.434 --> 00:15:48.170
  • Something, and it's like, well, either you're a healer, or
  • 00:15:48.170 --> 00:15:51.874
  • You're not, you know?
  • 00:15:51.874 --> 00:15:53.475
  • And when we trust god with that level of conviction, then when
  • 00:15:53.475 --> 00:15:57.446
  • Things don't even match up with what we know about him, then we
  • 00:15:57.446 --> 00:16:01.483
  • Know the story is not over, the story isn't finished yet, that
  • 00:16:01.483 --> 00:16:05.054
  • God is still writing a story that would reveal that he is who
  • 00:16:05.054 --> 00:16:09.558
  • He says he is.
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  • [music]
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  • Kalley heiligenthal: the promise that god is always with us is
  • 00:16:40.956 --> 00:16:44.393
  • Our anchor when it feels like things are falling apart, when
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  • We are out of control, we don't have what it takes, why?
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  • Because we don't need to.
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  • If i'm anchored to him, if i'm connected to him, i have all
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  • That i need.
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  • All-sufficient god is with me.
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  • What am i lacking?
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  • What don't i have?
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  • And so come what may, any circumstance in the waiting, it
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  • Doesn't matter.
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  • He is everything, and he is right here in the midst of me.
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  • [music]
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  • Robyn wilkerson: you know, god's word was always there,
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  • Everything we already know, we know it in our head, but there
  • 00:17:22.097 --> 00:17:26.935
  • Comes something like a tipping point or something where, okay,
  • 00:17:26.935 --> 00:17:32.274
  • This is it, and i think that that carries even into what we
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  • Believe about ourselves.
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  • You know, psychologists talk about the idea that you can set
  • 00:17:40.682 --> 00:17:44.453
  • Goals and all these wonderful things that we do, strategies
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  • And models, and i love all of it, but there is something
  • 00:17:48.624 --> 00:17:52.561
  • Called a limiting belief, where we believe something about
  • 00:17:52.561 --> 00:17:57.966
  • Ourselves, it's not true even, or it comes from our background,
  • 00:17:57.966 --> 00:18:02.437
  • Whatever, and that limiting belief drives our experience.
  • 00:18:02.437 --> 00:18:08.911
  • And that's what you're talking about that no matter what the
  • 00:18:08.911 --> 00:18:12.214
  • Circumstances are, knowing that something bigger that's
  • 00:18:12.214 --> 00:18:16.785
  • Unlimited, we're talking about mighty god, that that limiting
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  • Belief that plagues us.
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  • Something came for laurie in that car that day where all of
  • 00:18:25.794 --> 00:18:30.065
  • Her awareness of god's miracles in our life, all these--but
  • 00:18:30.065 --> 00:18:34.937
  • Something happens with his presence where all of a sudden
  • 00:18:34.937 --> 00:18:39.408
  • We declare it, and we can break off this limiting belief
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  • About ourselves.
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  • And when i think about--i'll just share my testimony, it's
  • 00:18:46.481 --> 00:18:50.085
  • Just coming to me right now, but i'm thinking about
  • 00:18:50.085 --> 00:18:52.821
  • Non-negotiables is this idea that i have some, and if you
  • 00:18:52.821 --> 00:18:56.925
  • Think about it maybe you do, too, but one of my
  • 00:18:56.925 --> 00:18:59.328
  • Non-negotiables is that i am always--you're gonna laugh.
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  • I'm always gonna have enough money that i can drive a car
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  • That works.
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  • Deedee: okay.
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  • That's a good one. that's a good one.
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  • Laurie: i think i have that one too.
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  • Deedee: that's reasonable, that's a good one.
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  • Robyn: there's lots of folks, lots of folks--
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  • Okay, and then i have another non-negotiable.
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  • I have another non-negotiable, i'm always gonna have enough
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  • Extra money, extra that i can go buy a burger.
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  • But you see, these actually are things that maybe others haven't
  • 00:19:30.959 --> 00:19:35.464
  • Thought about that, oh well, i could never do that, or i could
  • 00:19:35.464 --> 00:19:39.401
  • Never have that.
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  • And so those limiting beliefs, i have another non-negotiable,
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  • You're not gonna speak to me.
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  • I'm talking about my boys now, four sons, all adults.
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  • You're not gonna talk to me like that, son.
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  • You're gonna speak with respect.
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  • That was a non-negotiable that i knew they needed to know how to
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  • Communicate properly.
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  • And then i was littler than them.
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  • And i needed to know that i was an authority in their life that
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  • They honored and they revered.
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  • And it was good for me, and it was good for them.
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  • It was a non-negotiable, but what is it that keeps us, these
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  • Limiting beliefs that, well, you know, it's just the
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  • Devil's attack.
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  • I'm thinking about laurie in that car.
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  • I have no idea what it was about, but there could have been
  • 00:20:31.219 --> 00:20:35.090
  • Another narrative, and the narrative could have been, oh,
  • 00:20:35.090 --> 00:20:38.860
  • That devil, he's given me so-- and yes, all wickedness comes
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  • From the devil.
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  • That's a theological thing we could talk for hours.
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  • Or god is using this moment and the angel army is here, and
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  • Somehow for us to figure out that his word, this eternal word
  • 00:20:58.413 --> 00:21:03.418
  • Is available to me right now.
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  • Laurie: and that's a non-negotiable for me.
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  • I'm not going to see the devil behind every little thing
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  • That happens.
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  • I'm going to see god in the middle of it.
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  • The victory is in god, there's nothing between me and what god
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  • Has for me, because i am a child of the most high god, almighty
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  • God, the wonderful counselor, the mighty god, and so
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  • Everything that happens, no matter how hard it hits you, no
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  • Matter how difficult it seems, no matter how you want to blame
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  • On something, i'm not gonna look at that.
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  • I'm gonna look at the answer in the face.
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  • Robyn: you reframe it.
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  • Laurie: i reframe it and say, man, every good gift, everything
  • 00:21:46.495 --> 00:21:49.931
  • That god is speaking right now, where does my attention go?
  • 00:21:49.931 --> 00:21:53.702
  • So, anything that has our attention has our worship, has
  • 00:21:53.702 --> 00:21:58.840
  • Our praise, and if jesus said, "i have all power in heaven and
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  • On earth," what does that mean?
  • 00:22:05.647 --> 00:22:07.649
  • Deedee: what does that mean?
  • 00:22:07.649 --> 00:22:09.251
  • Laurie: so that we're gonna give something else the power to
  • 00:22:09.251 --> 00:22:12.354
  • Affect our lives?
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  • That's idol worship.
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  • Robyn: that's right.
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  • Laurie: right?
  • 00:22:16.425 --> 00:22:17.759
  • If you get right down to it, that is idol worship.
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  • All power belongs to god, so we focus our faith on what and who
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  • We're going to believe and trust in.
  • 00:22:27.669 --> 00:22:30.939
  • Robyn: the mighty god.
  • 00:22:30.939 --> 00:22:32.274
  • Laurie: the mighty god, the everlasting god.
  • 00:22:32.274 --> 00:22:33.875
  • Jeannie: and you might would have trouble believing that if
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  • You didn't believe that god really loved you.
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  • For god's love that he gave, and so you have to know that god
  • 00:22:40.182 --> 00:22:44.853
  • Loves you, otherwise you will have a little--
  • 00:22:44.853 --> 00:22:48.790
  • Laurie: doubt and unbelief.
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  • Jeannie: doubt in your-- yeah, that's where the
  • 00:22:50.125 --> 00:22:51.493
  • Unbelief sticks.
  • 00:22:51.493 --> 00:22:52.828
  • Stephanie: thinking of, like, taking the limits off of god,
  • 00:22:52.828 --> 00:22:55.897
  • I recall was just do--
  • 00:22:55.897 --> 00:22:58.533
  • There was one particular moment, i mean there's been several
  • 00:22:58.533 --> 00:23:00.502
  • Moments, but one particular moment was when in obedience to
  • 00:23:00.502 --> 00:23:05.073
  • An instruction from the lord, it felt like it kept me--i was in
  • 00:23:05.073 --> 00:23:09.978
  • A dry season, and i was so confused, and i'm like, god,
  • 00:23:09.978 --> 00:23:13.582
  • Like i have stretched myself thin, and this was in obedience
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  • To you.
  • 00:23:18.453 --> 00:23:19.788
  • And the reality is like i was in a time in my life, financially
  • 00:23:19.788 --> 00:23:24.259
  • Things were so dry, and i'm like, god, you told me to walk
  • 00:23:24.259 --> 00:23:27.896
  • Away from the business, you told me to do these things, and why
  • 00:23:27.896 --> 00:23:30.499
  • Am i dry right now?
  • 00:23:30.499 --> 00:23:32.734
  • And i remember calling one of my best friends, and i was like, i
  • 00:23:32.734 --> 00:23:37.172
  • Can't even pay rent right now, and if i don't pay, like i could
  • 00:23:37.172 --> 00:23:41.676
  • Get, like, evicted.
  • 00:23:41.676 --> 00:23:43.345
  • Like this is really bad, but god is the one who, like, led me
  • 00:23:43.345 --> 00:23:46.348
  • Out here.
  • 00:23:46.348 --> 00:23:47.716
  • And she says then you should let him know that he needs
  • 00:23:47.716 --> 00:23:50.919
  • To provide for you to pay your rent.
  • 00:23:50.919 --> 00:23:54.022
  • And i'm like, man, i am so backed up, and this is
  • 00:23:54.022 --> 00:23:56.925
  • Crazy, right?
  • 00:23:56.925 --> 00:23:58.460
  • But in that moment it hit me, and i realized like i am still--
  • 00:23:58.460 --> 00:24:02.697
  • Even though i'm moving in instruction by the lord, i was
  • 00:24:02.697 --> 00:24:05.800
  • Still leaning on my ability and my ways, and that was a time in
  • 00:24:05.800 --> 00:24:10.438
  • My life that i really experienced supernatural, like
  • 00:24:10.438 --> 00:24:15.610
  • Financial blessing, because that day i got off the phone with my
  • 00:24:15.610 --> 00:24:19.014
  • Best friend and i said, "god, if you're the one, i know your
  • 00:24:19.014 --> 00:24:23.885
  • Voice, but if i missed it, then hey, then you know i missed it.
  • 00:24:23.885 --> 00:24:27.622
  • But if you're the one that told me to to do all these things i
  • 00:24:27.622 --> 00:24:30.792
  • Did that has brought me to this place in my life, then you need
  • 00:24:30.792 --> 00:24:33.995
  • To provide, you need to do something, you need to make a
  • 00:24:33.995 --> 00:24:36.932
  • Way for me."
  • 00:24:36.932 --> 00:24:38.266
  • And literally, i can't remember how many days it was after that,
  • 00:24:38.266 --> 00:24:42.304
  • It was not even like one or two or something like that, i got a
  • 00:24:42.304 --> 00:24:46.374
  • Check in the mail, and it covered everything i needed to
  • 00:24:46.374 --> 00:24:50.345
  • Handle, and i just knew that was just so supernatural.
  • 00:24:50.345 --> 00:24:53.882
  • And i have never--like, i have seen god when it comes to like
  • 00:24:53.882 --> 00:24:57.786
  • Physical healing and things like that, but i think there was a
  • 00:24:57.786 --> 00:25:00.989
  • Limit when it comes to supernatural provision in
  • 00:25:00.989 --> 00:25:04.793
  • That way.
  • 00:25:04.793 --> 00:25:06.127
  • You know, i'm still thinking like, no, i need to build
  • 00:25:06.127 --> 00:25:07.596
  • Something that god will bless.
  • 00:25:07.596 --> 00:25:08.930
  • I need to do something that god will bless, but he was blessing
  • 00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:11.433
  • My obedience in that season.
  • 00:25:11.433 --> 00:25:13.702
  • And yeah, it was really like i hold on to that to just know
  • 00:25:13.702 --> 00:25:18.406
  • Like whenever god leads me out in something, i can't place
  • 00:25:18.406 --> 00:25:22.877
  • A limit on how he would take care of me.
  • 00:25:22.877 --> 00:25:25.213
  • I have to know that if he led me to do it and i'm doing my part,
  • 00:25:25.213 --> 00:25:29.217
  • Then he would, you know, fill in the difference.
  • 00:25:29.217 --> 00:25:33.154
  • Laurie: i remember as a--i wanna say i was 40 years old.
  • 00:25:33.154 --> 00:25:38.460
  • I have loved jesus all of my life.
  • 00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:41.896
  • I grew up in church.
  • 00:25:41.896 --> 00:25:43.431
  • My mom and dad were just the best, right?
  • 00:25:43.431 --> 00:25:46.701
  • Robyn: they were.
  • 00:25:46.701 --> 00:25:48.036
  • Laurie: i got on my knees and received jesus all over again at
  • 00:25:48.036 --> 00:25:52.273
  • 40 years old, because i thought i had loved jesus, but somehow
  • 00:25:52.273 --> 00:25:58.146
  • In my mind it was just this big good versus evil, and i
  • 00:25:58.146 --> 00:26:03.151
  • Understand that, and i know that there is a devil, and he will
  • 00:26:03.151 --> 00:26:08.156
  • Wreak havoc in your life if your eyes are on him.
  • 00:26:08.156 --> 00:26:13.294
  • I also know that there is a great big mighty god who loves
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  • Me, who gave his son for me, and we were always taught that there
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  • Was just this big battle between god and the devil and that
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  • Sometimes the devil won, sometimes god won, and man, i
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  • Got on my knees, and i said i have believed almost in the
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  • Wrong jesus, and then i know that that sounds awful, but it
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  • Was like i am going to focus my attention on jesus, and i will
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  • Not look at some entity that's trying to defeat me right now or
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  • Take something from me.
  • 00:26:49.097 --> 00:26:50.465
  • Stephanie: but laurie, what you're saying is literally what
  • 00:26:50.465 --> 00:26:51.800
  • Peter experienced.
  • 00:26:51.800 --> 00:26:53.168
  • It was literally, like because satan will be satan.
  • 00:26:53.168 --> 00:26:56.738
  • He will do whatever he's doing.
  • 00:26:56.738 --> 00:26:58.540
  • But when peter was looking at jesus, he was doing
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  • The impossible.
  • 00:27:01.676 --> 00:27:03.011
  • He's walking on water, and then he shifts his focus to the
  • 00:27:03.011 --> 00:27:06.781
  • Storm, and then he begins to drown.
  • 00:27:06.781 --> 00:27:09.684
  • And so what you're saying is so key, because there's--one of
  • 00:27:09.684 --> 00:27:14.389
  • The things that i learned even that when the lord was showing
  • 00:27:14.389 --> 00:27:17.025
  • Me about the enemy, and it just it blew my mind, because one day
  • 00:27:17.025 --> 00:27:22.230
  • He said to me, you know, he has not crossed the boundary.
  • 00:27:22.230 --> 00:27:25.867
  • And i was like what do you mean by that, lord?
  • 00:27:25.867 --> 00:27:28.103
  • And he took me back to, you know, in the times of noah, the
  • 00:27:28.103 --> 00:27:32.240
  • Angels who, you know, were crossing boundaries and sleeping
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  • With women.
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  • Laurie: all that.
  • 00:27:37.679 --> 00:27:39.013
  • Stephanie: all of that stuff, but in the bible it gives you
  • 00:27:39.013 --> 00:27:42.250
  • This account that god judged those angels, and they are
  • 00:27:42.250 --> 00:27:46.187
  • Chained in hell.
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  • But then the bible says satan is roaming around, you know,
  • 00:27:47.822 --> 00:27:51.025
  • Looking for whom to devour, and i was like, wait, how come he
  • 00:27:51.025 --> 00:27:53.728
  • Hasn't crossed the boundary?
  • 00:27:53.728 --> 00:27:55.063
  • And he says because the power that he gets, it's what you
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  • Give him.
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  • Laurie: and where does it say that we give him power?
  • 00:28:00.869 --> 00:28:03.905
  • Stephanie: because it's--
  • 00:28:03.905 --> 00:28:05.273
  • Laurie: our belief system.
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  • Stephanie: yes, so if you--if he can keep you--because he is
  • 00:28:06.608 --> 00:28:08.510
  • The ruler over darkness, so if he can keep you in a place of
  • 00:28:08.510 --> 00:28:12.380
  • Ignorance which is darkness, he can rule.
  • 00:28:12.380 --> 00:28:16.151
  • So if you choose to say no, jesus, you are the light of my
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  • Life, i am gonna focus on you.
  • 00:28:19.854 --> 00:28:22.423
  • Laurie: you are speaking truth to a lie exactly the way jesus
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  • Did in the wilderness.
  • 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:25.894
  • He spoke truth to a lie, and then he said satan, you get get
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  • Behind me.
  • 00:28:28.763 --> 00:28:30.098
  • I'm not looking at you anymore.
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  • That's not my focus.
  • 00:28:31.432 --> 00:28:32.801
  • Stephanie: and all of a sudden, defeated, because his state
  • 00:28:32.801 --> 00:28:34.135
  • Is defeat.
  • 00:28:34.135 --> 00:28:35.537
  • And it's to remind him this is who you are, you are defeated,
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  • But because of the ignorance that we have concerning his
  • 00:28:40.175 --> 00:28:43.878
  • Identity, we give him power by looking at him and being afraid
  • 00:28:43.878 --> 00:28:48.550
  • Of what's gonna happen next and x, y, and z, and.
  • 00:28:48.550 --> 00:28:52.120
  • Laurie: when he doesn't have any, so the truth sets us free,
  • 00:28:52.120 --> 00:28:56.424
  • So speaking that truth to a lie sets us free.
  • 00:28:56.424 --> 00:28:59.027
  • Deedee: it makes us free.
  • 00:28:59.027 --> 00:29:01.196
  • It makes us free.
  • 00:29:01.196 --> 00:29:04.032
  • Robyn: when i would put my attention on god, the mighty
  • 00:29:04.032 --> 00:29:10.505
  • God, isaiah prophesied about the mighty god.
  • 00:29:10.505 --> 00:29:14.809
  • When i put my attention there, i discovered that god got bigger.
  • 00:29:14.809 --> 00:29:19.514
  • The bible talks about magnify the lord.
  • 00:29:19.514 --> 00:29:23.218
  • Well, that phrase means to make god bigger in your awareness.
  • 00:29:23.218 --> 00:29:28.323
  • And for me going through those times, i learned prayer in a
  • 00:29:28.323 --> 00:29:32.827
  • Different way.
  • 00:29:32.827 --> 00:29:34.162
  • I learned that instead of talking about what i didn't
  • 00:29:34.162 --> 00:29:38.066
  • Want, whatever those things were at the time or even today, i
  • 00:29:38.066 --> 00:29:44.606
  • Force, i bring my thoughts into captivity, and i speak about
  • 00:29:44.606 --> 00:29:50.411
  • What i do want.
  • 00:29:50.411 --> 00:29:52.180
  • In other words, i spent a lot of time in my life telling my story
  • 00:29:52.180 --> 00:29:57.986
  • Of what i didn't like, didn't want, and yet when i turn my
  • 00:29:57.986 --> 00:30:03.691
  • Attention to the positive, and i look up to the mighty god who
  • 00:30:03.691 --> 00:30:08.897
  • Has a big future for me, the father of eternity, when i give
  • 00:30:08.897 --> 00:30:14.602
  • Him my attention, when i make him bigger with my conversation
  • 00:30:14.602 --> 00:30:20.241
  • And my attention, it's a change in me that is empowering,
  • 00:30:20.241 --> 00:30:26.614
  • Energizing, and full of hope for the future.
  • 00:30:26.614 --> 00:30:30.151
  • I gotta tell you, it's changed my life to be positive and to
  • 00:30:30.151 --> 00:30:35.223
  • Look to him in every circumstance.
  • 00:30:35.223 --> 00:30:38.960
  • Deedee: it's like this is what it's about, it's about really
  • 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.729
  • Developing a relationship with, you know, the strengthener, with
  • 00:30:41.729 --> 00:30:46.834
  • The counselor, with you know, a present help.
  • 00:30:46.834 --> 00:30:49.671
  • It's like really developing a relationship knowing who this
  • 00:30:49.671 --> 00:30:53.975
  • God is that you say you serve.
  • 00:30:53.975 --> 00:30:55.843
  • It's like you got revelation.
  • 00:30:55.843 --> 00:30:57.679
  • I think so many times we as believers, we pause, and we lend
  • 00:30:57.679 --> 00:31:02.951
  • Our ears to so many different voices that we don't know what
  • 00:31:02.951 --> 00:31:06.788
  • To believe, because we'll hear somebody say over here, well, he
  • 00:31:06.788 --> 00:31:10.758
  • Is a healer, and this person say, well, he's not a healer and
  • 00:31:10.758 --> 00:31:13.127
  • This person say you gotta go to hell to get it, and this person
  • 00:31:13.127 --> 00:31:15.964
  • Says okay over here, that if he went to hell, and he took it,
  • 00:31:15.964 --> 00:31:19.767
  • You don't have to take it, so what do we believe?
  • 00:31:19.767 --> 00:31:22.437
  • Who are you?
  • 00:31:22.437 --> 00:31:23.771
  • And to me, it was like that was a moment marked even for you to
  • 00:31:23.771 --> 00:31:27.175
  • Say, okay, look, wait a minute.
  • 00:31:27.175 --> 00:31:29.077
  • Enough is enough.
  • 00:31:29.077 --> 00:31:30.511
  • I don't wanna hear what you have to say, i don't wanna hear what
  • 00:31:30.511 --> 00:31:32.714
  • You have to say, i know him for myself.
  • 00:31:32.714 --> 00:31:35.483
  • Either you are a healer, or you're not.
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  • And i know you to be one.
  • 00:31:38.152 --> 00:31:40.321
  • It's like it's something that you have to own.
  • 00:31:40.321 --> 00:31:43.124
  • Laurie: you have to own it, and so no matter what, so you get
  • 00:31:43.124 --> 00:31:48.162
  • Sick, you get a bad diagnosis, that does not change who god
  • 00:31:48.162 --> 00:31:52.233
  • Says he is, and you believe and you declare.
  • 00:31:52.233 --> 00:31:56.337
  • You know, and what's kind of sick about it is that when the
  • 00:31:56.337 --> 00:32:01.843
  • Disciples, they were hung upside-down and burned believing
  • 00:32:01.843 --> 00:32:06.647
  • Unto faith, right?
  • 00:32:06.647 --> 00:32:09.083
  • Well, could they not believe their way out of being martyred?
  • 00:32:09.083 --> 00:32:13.621
  • Stephanie: god is still writing your story, because though the
  • 00:32:13.621 --> 00:32:16.357
  • Disciples had no clue that even in their death we would
  • 00:32:16.357 --> 00:32:20.661
  • Have this.
  • 00:32:20.661 --> 00:32:21.996
  • They had no clue that years later that we will be empowered.
  • 00:32:21.996 --> 00:32:27.368
  • So that's the thing, even when it doesn't go how you thought it
  • 00:32:27.368 --> 00:32:31.239
  • Would, god is not done.
  • 00:32:31.239 --> 00:32:33.875
  • That story is still being written, and they're not--it
  • 00:32:33.875 --> 00:32:38.780
  • Continues in a different way.
  • 00:32:38.780 --> 00:32:40.181
  • Jeannie: they didn't count their lives dear to themselves, so we
  • 00:32:40.181 --> 00:32:45.086
  • Get so fixated on how we feel and what we want that that's
  • 00:32:45.086 --> 00:32:49.557
  • Where we lose sight of the bigger picture, that he's the
  • 00:32:49.557 --> 00:32:52.527
  • Mighty god, and we don't see how things land, but if they could
  • 00:32:52.527 --> 00:32:56.464
  • Have seen, well, they see, you know?
  • 00:32:56.464 --> 00:32:58.566
  • They see now, the disciples see, the apostles see.
  • 00:32:58.566 --> 00:33:01.369
  • They gave their lives, but as a result of that, what do we have
  • 00:33:01.369 --> 00:33:04.806
  • Today, you know?
  • 00:33:04.806 --> 00:33:06.174
  • So, god is who he says he is.
  • 00:33:06.174 --> 00:33:07.642
  • You either believe it, or you don't believe.
  • 00:33:07.642 --> 00:33:10.311
  • Laurie: our circumstances, no matter how bad they are, they do
  • 00:33:10.311 --> 00:33:15.016
  • Not change who god is.
  • 00:33:15.016 --> 00:33:17.085
  • He is the same yesterday, he's the same today, he's the same
  • 00:33:17.085 --> 00:33:20.655
  • God forever, and so what we go through is things that might
  • 00:33:20.655 --> 00:33:26.994
  • Challenge us, things that might seem to be a struggle for us.
  • 00:33:26.994 --> 00:33:31.399
  • God is calling on your faith today.
  • 00:33:31.399 --> 00:33:33.701
  • God is saying, "who do you say that i am today?"
  • 00:33:33.701 --> 00:33:36.504
  • And our response to god is to tell him who he is.
  • 00:33:36.504 --> 00:33:42.376
  • He is the great i am.
  • 00:33:42.376 --> 00:33:44.612
  • He is our emmanuel, the god who never leaves me, he never
  • 00:33:44.612 --> 00:33:48.850
  • Forsakes me.
  • 00:33:48.850 --> 00:33:50.218
  • He is my joy.
  • 00:33:50.218 --> 00:33:51.552
  • He's my strength, he's my provision, he's my fortress,
  • 00:33:51.552 --> 00:33:55.189
  • He's the rock i can go to, he's my shelter, he's everything that
  • 00:33:55.189 --> 00:34:00.294
  • I need, and all i need to do is trust and believe.
  • 00:34:00.294 --> 00:34:04.565
  • So, no matter what i see, the currency of heaven is my faith.
  • 00:34:04.565 --> 00:34:09.670
  • Robyn: you know, all of theology really comes down to two
  • 00:34:09.670 --> 00:34:12.840
  • Questions, simple, who is god, and what does he want from me?
  • 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:18.513
  • Who is god, and what does he want from me?
  • 00:34:18.513 --> 00:34:21.549
  • Now, how do we even have--well, first of all, we have the gift
  • 00:34:21.549 --> 00:34:26.053
  • Of life.
  • 00:34:26.053 --> 00:34:27.388
  • That's a gift, right?
  • 00:34:27.388 --> 00:34:28.756
  • But he gives us this very amazing thing, and it is real
  • 00:34:28.756 --> 00:34:32.293
  • Called free will, and how our free will impacts us and our
  • 00:34:32.293 --> 00:34:41.402
  • Relationship with god is a fantastic place to talk.
  • 00:34:41.402 --> 00:34:47.542
  • Because as a believer, you have the free will, back to laurie's
  • 00:34:47.542 --> 00:34:53.247
  • Testimony, to just sit in the car and, man, and take it from
  • 00:34:53.247 --> 00:34:59.353
  • That same perspective of, oh, man, you know, maybe it's not
  • 00:34:59.353 --> 00:35:03.291
  • Gonna work out or, you know, well, somehow, you know,
  • 00:35:03.291 --> 00:35:06.961
  • We deserve it.
  • 00:35:06.961 --> 00:35:08.296
  • That's another whole idea that people have.
  • 00:35:08.296 --> 00:35:11.065
  • Or somehow we've got to figure it out ourselves, et cetera,
  • 00:35:11.065 --> 00:35:15.102
  • Et cetera.
  • 00:35:15.102 --> 00:35:16.470
  • Or with our free will, we take what the bible actually says,
  • 00:35:16.470 --> 00:35:21.609
  • And we say wait a minute, this is mighty god, who came as a
  • 00:35:21.609 --> 00:35:28.316
  • Baby, got in flesh, and gives us this model.
  • 00:35:28.316 --> 00:35:34.355
  • One of the things i have pondered and pondered is that
  • 00:35:34.355 --> 00:35:38.059
  • Jesus said, "you're gonna do greater things than me," deedee,
  • 00:35:38.059 --> 00:35:42.096
  • And i think to myself, now wait a minute, i can live what others
  • 00:35:42.096 --> 00:35:46.200
  • Think is this good christian experience, and i can even have
  • 00:35:46.200 --> 00:35:51.606
  • What others think is normal, are you with me?
  • 00:35:51.606 --> 00:35:54.775
  • And that's good and i get an a, and you see how we're so worried
  • 00:35:54.775 --> 00:35:58.312
  • About other--
  • 00:35:58.312 --> 00:35:59.647
  • Or there is this fantastic, radical, shocking journey and
  • 00:35:59.647 --> 00:36:06.487
  • Adventure that i could be having, because jesus said
  • 00:36:06.487 --> 00:36:11.993
  • You're gonna do greater things than me, and with my free will
  • 00:36:11.993 --> 00:36:16.264
  • I asked myself, robyn, how many times have you not even
  • 00:36:16.264 --> 00:36:19.734
  • Asked large?
  • 00:36:19.734 --> 00:36:21.068
  • Have you not even thought radical?
  • 00:36:21.068 --> 00:36:23.104
  • Have you been in this box of just saying, okay, well, this is
  • 00:36:23.104 --> 00:36:27.608
  • How everybody else does it, so that's the way it's gonna be
  • 00:36:27.608 --> 00:36:30.911
  • When instead we're talking about mighty god?
  • 00:36:30.911 --> 00:36:35.483
  • Who is god, and what does he want from me?
  • 00:36:35.483 --> 00:36:38.586
  • Well, what does he want from me?
  • 00:36:38.586 --> 00:36:40.087
  • The scripture says i was created to have relationship to glorify.
  • 00:36:40.087 --> 00:36:46.527
  • Everything about me is for his glory, worship, and yet often,
  • 00:36:46.527 --> 00:36:52.433
  • Back to the limiting beliefs we were chatting about before, i
  • 00:36:52.433 --> 00:36:56.804
  • Give up my free will, and i turn my attention to things that are
  • 00:36:56.804 --> 00:37:03.611
  • Normal but good enough, good enough, and my prayer for this
  • 00:37:03.611 --> 00:37:09.984
  • Season and christmas and the celebration that we're in that
  • 00:37:09.984 --> 00:37:13.988
  • We would all believe for more.
  • 00:37:13.988 --> 00:37:15.890
  • I mean, believe for more for others, believe for more for our
  • 00:37:15.890 --> 00:37:20.261
  • Neighborhood and our family and use this free will.
  • 00:37:20.261 --> 00:37:25.299
  • I guess it's such a mystery how i could be rolling along in life
  • 00:37:25.299 --> 00:37:28.736
  • Accepting, and then one day i wake up, and i go i don't have
  • 00:37:28.736 --> 00:37:32.973
  • To be like this.
  • 00:37:32.973 --> 00:37:34.342
  • Laurie: yeah, so good.
  • 00:37:34.342 --> 00:37:36.043
  • Robyn: i don't have to, i can change.
  • 00:37:36.043 --> 00:37:41.248
  • I can change.
  • 00:37:41.248 --> 00:37:43.751
  • I can actually--is the word morph wrong, dr. freeman?
  • 00:37:43.751 --> 00:37:48.656
  • But i can actually grow.
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  • [music]
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  • Kalley: my prayer for you this christmas is that the truth of
  • 00:38:07.375 --> 00:38:11.679
  • The gospel, a god who would give his son and this son who would
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  • Be willing to step into humanity, to be close, to
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  • Demonstrate his love, to come with healing and salvation,
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  • Deliverance, forgiveness, and life abundance, that that would
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  • Take shape and form past just a pretty story, past just
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  • Something we go through the motions on, and it would take
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  • Root deep on the inside and would begin to grow and flourish
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  • Into this next year.
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  • [music]
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  • Deedee: if god is not blowing your mind, you don't really know
  • 00:38:50.618 --> 00:38:53.788
  • Him, because he's a mind-blower, you know?
  • 00:38:53.788 --> 00:38:57.825
  • I mean, really, he will do things that will supersede just
  • 00:38:57.825 --> 00:39:01.796
  • The average thought.
  • 00:39:01.796 --> 00:39:03.197
  • It's like when we get into that moment, like for me to even be
  • 00:39:03.197 --> 00:39:06.901
  • Sitting here on this stage is a miracle.
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  • Robyn: for me, too, i agree.
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  • Deedee: i mean, like, come on, i was an uneducated, non-speaking
  • 00:39:11.672 --> 00:39:18.312
  • Girl from the the hood, you know, african american, for me
  • 00:39:18.312 --> 00:39:23.684
  • To be sitting here is just mind-blowing to know that god
  • 00:39:23.684 --> 00:39:30.524
  • Has equipped me, that has given me the wherewithal to believe
  • 00:39:30.524 --> 00:39:34.762
  • Him for more, to know that more is possible, and then for me to
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  • Take what i--my limited understanding of him and
  • 00:39:38.833 --> 00:39:43.604
  • Increase myself, i had to do the work.
  • 00:39:43.604 --> 00:39:46.841
  • You know, i had to do the work.
  • 00:39:46.841 --> 00:39:48.175
  • I had to go back to school, i had to go and surround myself
  • 00:39:48.175 --> 00:39:50.377
  • Around different environments to learn more, to understand more,
  • 00:39:50.377 --> 00:39:54.215
  • To grow, and then once i began to do what he had led me to do
  • 00:39:54.215 --> 00:39:57.818
  • To increase me, then opportunities begin to show.
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  • Robyn: i think that that desire for more, i think it's divine.
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  • I don't--i think sometimes we have a tendency--jeannie
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  • Shaking her head, she knows preachers, we've had kind of
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  • This idea sometime that, well, you know, poverty--and i'm not
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  • Talking about just financially, i'm talking about poverty in
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  • Many, many ways, mindset, you know, increase is divine.
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  • Every living thing is hardwired to grow and to increase.
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  • Jeannie: we become a limitation to ourselves.
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  • In god's eyes there's not a limitation.
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  • He sees us much bigger and beyond what we see ourselves
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  • Capable, so if it's us, or sometimes we become concerned
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  • About what others think about us.
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  • And when we're in that mindset, we find a limitation.
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  • When we understand that if we wouldn't be afraid of ourselves
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  • Or our own perceived, self-perceived limitations or
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  • What others would think about us, that there's so many great
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  • Things that we can do and not be afraid.
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  • God doesn't want us to be afraid, you know?
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  • I mean, what happens if you get out and you walk on the water?
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  • Some amazing things could happen.
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  • You know, it's jesus in you that's gonna do the work.
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  • Obviously, you gotta put some kind of effort into it,
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  • You know?
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  • You wanna be a great orator, you don't just open your mouth, and
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  • It just flies out with full of wisdom.
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  • There's effort that goes into it, but he's the one that--
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  • Laurie: i wish.
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  • Deedee: i wish, i know.
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  • Jeannie: he's the one that oils the wheels on the vessel and
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  • Makes the vessel go down the, you know, the car go down
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  • The road.
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  • So i think getting our eyes off of ourselves, getting our eyes
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  • Off of others and what others think about us, and getting our
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  • Focus on him, believing that he is who he said he is and then
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  • Just get out of the boat and walk on the water.
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  • Don't be afraid, yeah.
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  • Deedee: the beauty in it even when peter began to sink, he
  • 00:42:01.709 --> 00:42:04.445
  • Didn't have to swim to jesus, jesus was right there.
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  • Oh, yeah.
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  • Stephanie: if you're thinking your dreams are like too big or
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  • Impossible, you're right.
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  • I want you to first acknowledge that.
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  • It is impossible for you, it is too big for you.
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  • Even jesus said with man, you know, there's certain things
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  • That--and he spoke to it, he's like with men, this is
  • 00:42:27.635 --> 00:42:30.371
  • Impossible, but with god all things are possible.
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  • So if you have a dream that feels too big and you're like,
  • 00:42:34.908 --> 00:42:37.111
  • God, this is impossible, you are absolutely right.
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  • But when god steps in, that's when it changes.
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  • There's some shoes that god has called us to fill, but he didn't
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  • Call us to fill it by ourselves.
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  • He fills it with us.
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  • And so if you're trying to carry it out by yourself, you are
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  • Never going to get the job done.
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  • You are absolutely right, it is impossible, but if you fill it
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  • With god, if you allow him to step in it with you, because it
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  • Is god's dream, it's god's vision.
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  • When jesus was giving the model prayer to the disciples, he
  • 00:43:09.777 --> 00:43:12.946
  • Didn't say, "my will be done," he said that as it is in heaven,
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  • So shall it be on earth.
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  • Laurie: the just live by faith.
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  • Robyn: amen.
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  • Laurie: that's how we please the lord.
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  • His children just believe he said who he's--you know,
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  • Believe in him.
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  • And it says believe in me, and you shall be saved.
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  • You know, he saves us, thank god, from ourselves.
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  • You know it's probably the biggest need we have is to be
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  • Saved from ourselves.
  • 00:43:44.678 --> 00:43:46.246
  • Deedee: because we're the biggest hindrances to ourselves,
  • 00:43:46.246 --> 00:43:48.615
  • And we blame it all on the enemy, but it's not.
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  • It's like other people, what someone did to us 100 years ago.
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  • Laurie: i just believe that the cross took away every excuse and
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  • The barrier that was, you know, somehow between us and god.
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  • That partition that separated god from man and the sacrifices
  • 00:44:04.998 --> 00:44:08.969
  • And all that stuff.
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  • God was--jesus was the perfect sacrifice for all of that.
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  • And i just, you know, we've been talking about wonderful,
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  • Counselor, emmanuel, mighty god, all the things that that isaiah
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  • Promised and god promised his children all through the years,
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  • And to think that when we receive jesus, that he saves our
  • 00:44:27.488 --> 00:44:32.593
  • Soul, he gives us a new life, he starts it all brand new,
  • 00:44:32.593 --> 00:44:38.465
  • You know?
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  • And that his grace is sufficient daily if we just trust and
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  • Believe who he said he is and who--
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  • And when we talk about jesus being everything, it's like so
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  • True, that no matter where i'm needy, no matter what i need at
  • 00:44:51.278 --> 00:44:58.485
  • This moment, i can look to god for that.
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  • I am not supposed to look at my husband for that.
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  • I am not supposed to look at my best friend for that.
  • 00:45:05.459 --> 00:45:08.629
  • I am not supposed to look at maybe you have a therapist to
  • 00:45:08.629 --> 00:45:11.932
  • Help you.
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  • I'm not supposed to look at that as my healing.
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  • Jesus is our healer.
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  • Jesus is our comfort.
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  • Jesus is our satisfaction.
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  • You can't look at your husband and say satisfy me now that
  • 00:45:22.543 --> 00:45:25.279
  • We're married, you know?
  • 00:45:25.279 --> 00:45:26.613
  • Deedee: well, i wish someone would have told me that years
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  • Ago, because i thought mike was my satisfier.
  • 00:45:28.115 --> 00:45:31.652
  • No, and when he didn't make me feel a certain way, then i felt
  • 00:45:31.652 --> 00:45:36.023
  • Horrible about myself.
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  • I put so much pressure on the wrong person.
  • 00:45:37.558 --> 00:45:41.662
  • It's like you say, jesus is the satisfier.
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  • Laurie: and jesus fills all of that, fills all those gaps.
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  • Stephanie: this conversation is so good, and i think one of the
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  • Things that stands out to me about just the might of god is
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  • When i think of how the bible talks about his strength is made
  • 00:45:56.109 --> 00:45:59.279
  • Perfect in our weakness, and when we wanna see the mightiness
  • 00:45:59.279 --> 00:46:04.618
  • Of god expressed in the world, in our families, we also have to
  • 00:46:04.618 --> 00:46:08.822
  • Recognize, like, i need to get out of the way.
  • 00:46:08.822 --> 00:46:12.025
  • I can't be so consumed with where i'm weak, but with where
  • 00:46:12.025 --> 00:46:15.429
  • God is strong, because that's where that partnership
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  • Is allowed.
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  • Robyn: his strength is made perfect in our weakness.
  • 00:46:20.901 --> 00:46:25.339
  • I am the mother of a special needs child, and i've learned
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  • About weakness through him.
  • 00:46:31.178 --> 00:46:36.416
  • He is a gift to me, because my graham has shown me
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  • How weakness.
  • 00:46:44.358 --> 00:46:46.593
  • What do you mean by that?
  • 00:46:46.593 --> 00:46:47.961
  • Well, he has a lot he has to overcome every day.
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  • He's a wonderful young man, 35 years of age, and he lives with
  • 00:46:52.065 --> 00:46:56.670
  • My husband and i, and even though there's disappointment,
  • 00:46:56.670 --> 00:47:01.041
  • And there's struggle, i see jesus in him, and i see jesus
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  • And love and community and compassion in all the people
  • 00:47:08.448 --> 00:47:14.888
  • That come into contact with my special needs graham.
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  • I am thankful even in weakness that i know that god is
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  • Showing himself.
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  • So here we are today, 35 years so far, and weakness, mmm, god's
  • 00:47:27.467 --> 00:47:34.875
  • With graham, and he's with me, and he's with you.
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  • You're gonna make it.
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  • We are.
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  • God's with us.
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  • Stephanie: peter didn't have anything in him to walk on
  • 00:47:44.117 --> 00:47:47.521
  • Water, but he was focused on the one who spoke to him, and so i
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  • Just want to pray even for us and everyone listening that, you
  • 00:47:51.658 --> 00:47:55.295
  • Know, get out of the way.
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  • Laurie: you can't do it anyway by yourself.
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  • Stephanie: you can't do it anyway by yourself, so don't be
  • 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:01.001
  • So consumed with where you're weak and you're questioning the
  • 00:48:01.001 --> 00:48:05.172
  • More that god says is in you, because that more is only pulled
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  • Out by his strength, which reveals his might.
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  • So, yeah, i wanna pray to that.
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  • Heavenly father, we just thank you, we thank you, thank you,
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  • Thank you.
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  • This conversation is just so rich, and it's just so full of
  • 00:48:19.086 --> 00:48:21.455
  • You, lord god.
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  • Heavenly father, i thank you for everyone watching and for every
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  • Hearer, including ourselves, that lord god, that we will
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  • Learn to get out of the way, that we would recognize that you
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  • Are mighty to save, you are a mighty god, you are mighty to
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  • Pull out of us everything that you know is within us.
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  • And so, lord god, even that word about more, the more that is
  • 00:48:42.342 --> 00:48:46.646
  • Within us, lord god, the more that is within your children
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  • Listening to this right now, that they would recognize
  • 00:48:49.449 --> 00:48:52.352
  • It's not in their strength, it's in yours.
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  • And so, lord god, that they would know that their weakness
  • 00:48:54.654 --> 00:48:57.024
  • Made them a candidate for your might to be revealed through
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  • Their lives.
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  • And so, lord, have your way in jesus's name, amen.
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  • Jeannie: we have a viewer, joanne, she's reached out and
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  • She's asked, "i sometimes find praying to be difficult.
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  • How can i learn to pray with authority?"
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  • Stephanie: i love that one, because what comes to mind
  • 00:49:24.317 --> 00:49:28.688
  • Immediately is like a police officer, right?
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  • A police officer is not afraid of people breaking the law,
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  • Because he's there to set order because of the authority he has
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  • In his position.
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  • And when i think of us as believers, you know, sometimes i
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  • Think we struggle to pray with authority because we're
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  • Overwhelmed by what we see, and when we start to recognize that
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  • Our position in christ as children of god, as partners
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  • With the holy spirit, is that the intention of god is not for
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  • Us to be overwhelmed by chaos or overwhelmed by evil, because we
  • 00:50:00.954 --> 00:50:05.592
  • Are there to set order, and so when you're there to set order,
  • 00:50:05.592 --> 00:50:09.496
  • You can't be scared about chaos.
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  • And so what i will say to you is to recognize that your position
  • 00:50:13.266 --> 00:50:17.704
  • In christ is to set order, and so with your prayers, that's
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  • What you're doing.
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  • And so to not feel fear in praying with authority, you
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  • Already have authority, it's already been given to you by
  • 00:50:27.314 --> 00:50:31.151
  • Christ, and so you're praying from a place of position.
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  • And that's all praying with authority is, is praying with
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  • You on the understanding of your position in christ.
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