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Better Together | See Yourself Through God's Eyes | Better Together Episode 1173 | June 17, 2026
- Laurie crouch: when you look in the mirror, you are looking at
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- God's beloved child.
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- In his presence, self-criticism, negative labels, and all those
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- Insecurities just melt away.
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- It's time for us to speak life over ourselves, our mind, our
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- Soul, and our bodies.
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- Come on, join us.
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- [music]
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- Sheila walsh: one of the things i'm so grateful to you for,
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- Laurie, is that you've provided this place where women who love
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- Jesus get to sit here and tell the truth.
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- Laurie: no, i'm so glad you all have come.
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- Sheila: i mean, everywhere i travel, i hear from people,
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- "'better together' has impacted my life," but one of the
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- Questions we're looking at today, and when i saw that in
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- This conversation i was like, oh, is seeing yourself through
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- God's eyes, and have you ever had difficulty loving yourself?
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- When i was growing up, i had really bad skin which i was very
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- Self-aware of, plus i was a bit chunky.
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- In scotland it's very windy, so we eat for ballast, you know,
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- It's kind of like.
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- I was not an attractive teenager at all.
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- The only thing i had going for me was i had--
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- Blynda lane: you were peaking at the right time.
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- Sheila: i had long jet black shiny hair.
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- That's my natural color.
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- I no longer have a natural color, that's what my
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- Hairstylist told me.
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- You no longer have a natural color, but it was like blue,
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- Black, and shiny and long.
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- And then i'm about to go off to seminary, i'm 19, i'm leaving a
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- Little fishing town in scotland, i'm going to london to seminary,
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- And somehow the week before i leave, i pick up this magazine.
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- I don't even know what it was, probably "vogue" or something,
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- And it showed this person in london who had this beautiful
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- Perm, but it was not--it was just like wavy, and it looked so
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- Glamorous, and i thought i'm gonna do that.
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- Blynda: i gotta get that.
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- Sheila: so, i took this picture to this woman in this little
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- Beauty shop in our fishing town.
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- Jenni wong clayville: oh.
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- Sheila: oh yeah, yeah, oh.
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- Blynda: i can smell the perm solvents from here.
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- Sheila: and i showed her the picture, and i said, "do you
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- Think you can do this?"
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- And she was like, "oh, aye, oh yeah, i can do that, you'll
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- Be lovely."
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- And she didn't have a mirror in front of me, so i couldn't
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- Really see what she was doing.
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- I just noticed how much she was cutting off and the stink of the
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- Perm solution, and when i looked at myself in the mirror, it
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- Looked like a dog had chewed my hair but then got fed up halfway
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- Through and given up.
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- I was meeting my mum and my brother in town for coffee
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- Afterwards, and i think my mum had a sense that all was not
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- Gonna go well, because she said to my brother, "listen, when we
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- See sheila, no matter what it looks like, do not laugh."
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- So i'm coming out of the salon, and i'm thinking maybe it's not
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- Quite as bad as i think, maybe it's not quite as bad.
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- And i'm around the corner, and there's my mum and my brother,
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- And my brother is literally holding on to a pole.
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- He can't stop--he's literally.
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- Blynda: i mean, it's a lot to ask the brother.
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- It's a lot to ask the brother not to laugh.
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- Sheila: it is, because it was just awful, and i couldn't even
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- Get a comb through it.
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- I mean, it was so.
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- So, before i even go to seminary, i have to get most of
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- It cut off.
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- So i already look like a wee boy.
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- So, in seminary, there's a guy that the whole first year i just
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- Stared at him in chapel.
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- I never looked at jesus, i just looked at him.
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- He was just the most handsome boy, and the second year, he
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- Invited me out, and i thought, you know what?
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- My picture of myself must be wrong, because this guy is like
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- One of the most handsome guys, and yet he's really interested
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- In me.
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- And so i started to feel a little bit better about myself.
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- And then one morning i had borrowed one of his textbooks,
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- And before my first class i took it down to his dorm room to give
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- Him his textbook back, and i knocked on his door, and he
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- Opened it, and the sun was shining through his window and
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- Hitting me in the face, and i'll never forget.
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- I can still hear him, he said, "gosh, i must really love you,
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- Because you look terrible right now."
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- And i gave him his book, and i went back.
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- I missed my class.
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- I went back to my room, and i sat in my bed, and i just wept,
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- Because i thought, you know what?
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- Everything i thought about myself is right.
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- I am a little too plump, my hair is a disaster, and my skin
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- Is awful.
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- It was probably like 2 weeks, i was just struggling and ashamed.
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- And even when we would go to the dining hall, i would choose the
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- Darkest corner.
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- If we were going to restaurants outside, you know, with a bunch
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- Of my friends, i would always choose a dark corner.
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- If they wanted to go to a place where they were sitting outside
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- At tables, i had some reason for why i couldn't go.
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- And then i remember a friend of mine copying out in her
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- Calligraphy, beautiful handcraft, parts of psalm 139,
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- And slipping under my door.
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- And it was, "i praise you because i'm fearfully and
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- Wonderfully made.
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- Your works are wonderful.
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- I know that full well."
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- And the one of the things she underlined was the way the
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- Hebrew's written here is it's put so much emphasis on god.
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- I praise you, because i'm fearfully and wonderfully made,
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- Because your works are wonderful.
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- And i suddenly got to think, you know, i'm not--i mean, i would
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- Look in the mirror and think i'm not how i wish i looked, but
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- Having said that, god's word says i'm fearfully and
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- Wonderfully made, and it suddenly began, and it wasn't
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- Overnight, you know, it took time.
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- I had to work through it, my hair grew a wee bit, you know,
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- My skin cleared up a bit.
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- Laurie: it might be every morning.
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- Sheila: yeah, it could be every morning, but it's just coming to
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- This place where you think, you know what?
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- I might not really appreciate this, but you made me, and you
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- Love me, and you see me exactly as i am right now.
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- Donna pisani: i think we have to repeat to ourselves over and
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- Over again that we were made in god's image.
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- Now go back to the first garden with adam and eve, and the
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- Temptation or the question that the enemy brought to them is did
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- God say you can't eat from that fruit?
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- And the intention of that question was to make them
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- Question their identity.
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- He was trying to make them believe that god was holding
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- Something back from them, that if they ate from this one tree,
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- Then they would be more than enough, and they forgot that
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- They'd been made in the image of god.
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- And yet we find that when they eat from that fruit and then
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- They're hiding in shame, the one time that we hear god speak, the
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- First time we hear god speak, god says to them, "where
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- Are you?"
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- And in hebrew, that's not just like a positional where are you?
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- He lost them.
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- That is god saying his heart was longing for them.
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- He was reaching out to them like a father.
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- He hadn't lost them, he knew right where they were, but he's
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- Like, "why have you turned away from me?"
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- And so i love that in this whole thing where the enemy tries to
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- Steal your identity, god again reminds adam and eve and reminds
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- Us that even when shame comes in or lies come in and try to tell
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- You something else, god is always standing there saying,
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- "come back to me.
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- I'm the source of your identity.
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- I'm the source.
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- You're gonna find out who you really are, who i know you to
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- Be, who i created you to be."
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- The only source for that is him and learning to lean into the
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- Embrace he already has on your life.
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- Sheila: i remember when i went to work at "the 700 club," one
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- Of the girls said to me, "can i talk to you about something?"
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- And i was like, "yeah, of course."
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- She said, "i'm about 50 pounds overweight, and i'm in my
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- Forties, and i'm not married, and i really think it's because
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- Of how i look.
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- Would you help me?"
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- And i said to her, "well, a, i think you look great, but b,
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- Yeah, i'll be glad to work with you."
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- So we joined some club, and we both went on the same kind of
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- Diet, and we exercised and did everything, and i'll never
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- Forget the day when she at the meeting, got her gold star for
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- Reaching her goal, and two weeks later saying to me, "okay, so
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- Now what's the reason?
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- Blynda: aww.
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- Sheila: now i'm the weight i needed to be,
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- Now i'm this i needed to be.
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- So what is wrong with me now?"
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- And i thought how much of our lives as women do we spend
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- Thinking we don't look like her, we don't look like her, and if
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- This was different, and how that impacts the way we're able to
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- Receive god's love.
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- Because i feel like for so much of my life, my fists were
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- Clenched, and it's been this beautiful work of the holy
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- Spirit to unclench my hands and to--my neighbors will tell
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- You this.
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- I walk outside my house every morning with my wee dog, maggie,
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- Who is barking at everybody, and i always raise my--because it's
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- Like first thing in the morning i'm like thank you that you
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- Love me.
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- On the days when i feel like it makes sense and the days when
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- It doesn't.
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- So i just wondered, i'd love to hear all your perspectives of
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- Like body image or how you felt about yourself or how god's
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- Helped you with any of that stuff.
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- Laurie: you know, i think about the ten spies that went in to
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- Check out the land for moses.
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- They go in there, they're spies, they said, "there we saw the
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- Giants, and we were like grasshoppers in our own eyes,
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- Our own sight, and so we were in their sight."
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- Well, how did they know?
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- They were spies.
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- Did they go and ask them, "hey, how do you see us?"
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- When the truth was they were terrified, right?
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- They were terrified of the israelites, of their god,
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- Because they knew how great their god was, but yet that was
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- Their own opinion that they saw themselves like that, and of
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- Course they do too.
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- Sheila: yeah.
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- Laurie: you know, and so we assume people think, first of
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- All, that much about us, right?
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- And we care so much when god has said over our lives, "i know
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- You, i love you, i called you, i've purposed you."
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- I've all the things from god, but we've let people put some
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- Kind of a label on us, and we give that credence.
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- We put faith in that, we put our whole identity in what someone
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- Says, and that is so easy to do.
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- I mean, here at tbn, i remember when i first came, i was kind of
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- Like blynda, well, i love everybody, everybody loves me.
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- Well, no, they don't.
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- Finally i was kind of taught, look, a third of the people
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- Probably love you, a third of the people can't stand you, and
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- A third of the people don't care.
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- And so i started kind of just living by that and thinking,
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- Well, i need just to still love everybody, you know?
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- But that's true, and so people can be so--and you can read so
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- Many beautiful things that people say, and then you can get
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- That one--
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- Sheila: oh, i know.
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- Laurie: and it just torments you, and what is that?
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- It's that we care when we shouldn't.
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- We have to change our perceptions, we have to change
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- Our hearts, we have to get close, because god's presence in
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- Our lives changes all that.
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- Now you don't care.
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- I love people, i don't care what you do, i'm gonna love you,
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- You know?
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- And so that changes us on the inside, but it changes our whole
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- Mental thing about how we see everybody in our life.
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- Laurie: you know, i think if we feed off of what we think
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- Significance is maybe like applause of man or the stage we
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- Stand on, that is a slippery slope, and that is a very
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- Unstable foundation.
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- Your identity should be found in christ, because everything in
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- This world can be shaken, everything that comes our way.
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- You can be so tempted to believe that you're stable in this area,
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- And there's a time that that can just come right out from
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- Under you.
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- That's why it doesn't matter what man says about you, it
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- Matters what god says about you, and so that's what we need
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- To do.
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- We need to stand on his word that we are children of god,
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- That he is called, and he's chosen us, that nothing can
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- Separate me from the love of god, not sickness, not death,
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- Not angels, not anything.
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- Read in romans where--romans 8, where he talks about it, nothing
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- Can separate us from the love of god.
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- Blynda: and laurie, it's important to go back to that
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- Story and to remember, you know, joshua and caleb were the ones
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- That came back, and they were like it's great, we're gonna be
- 00:13:07.066 --> 00:13:10.970
- Great, god's got it, but it's important to remember that god
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- Basically said this whole generation of of people who
- 00:13:15.241 --> 00:13:18.143
- Don't believe, you're not going to see the promised land.
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- Laurie: you're not going in.
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- Blynda: meaning not understanding this truth has
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- Ramifications for us.
- 00:13:24.250 --> 00:13:26.485
- You know, not understanding for generations, not understanding
- 00:13:26.485 --> 00:13:30.789
- How important the truth of understanding who god is and who
- 00:13:30.789 --> 00:13:34.760
- We are to him really can-- because if we might see
- 00:13:34.760 --> 00:13:38.564
- Something so opposite of how god wants us to see it that we make
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- A choice that misses god.
- 00:13:41.834 --> 00:13:43.502
- Now, i do believe that god, he's sovereign, and i do believe
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- Because we operate from victory, but i do think, i mean, there's
- 00:13:47.273 --> 00:13:51.010
- An example there.
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- There's ramifications for not believing the truth.
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- Laurie: that's right, yeah, absolutely.
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- Donna: yeah, and you don't get to live the fullness.
- 00:13:56.649 --> 00:13:59.451
- It's almost like there's this warehouse right here full of so
- 00:13:59.451 --> 00:14:03.122
- Much goodness from god, and we're over here trying to be
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- Somebody else.
- 00:14:05.891 --> 00:14:07.259
- Well, god can't bless who you pretend to be.
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- [music]
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- Donna: when we realize that god designed, created us uniquely as
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- His masterpiece, it helps us to look at even the imperfections a
- 00:14:19.138 --> 00:14:24.076
- Little bit differently.
- 00:14:24.076 --> 00:14:25.411
- In fact, i for so many years only saw my imperfections and
- 00:14:25.411 --> 00:14:29.648
- Forgot that i'd been made in the image of god, and to be honest
- 00:14:29.648 --> 00:14:32.351
- With you, it allowed insecurity and fear to run rampant in
- 00:14:32.351 --> 00:14:35.955
- My life.
- 00:14:35.955 --> 00:14:37.323
- But when you can remember that god created you uniquely and
- 00:14:37.323 --> 00:14:41.327
- Specifically to be who you are, even the imperfections are part
- 00:14:41.327 --> 00:14:45.331
- Of the gifts that he uses, so don't let the imperfections
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- Stop you.
- 00:14:48.534 --> 00:14:49.868
- You have a god who loves you too much to leave you right where
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- You are.
- 00:14:52.104 --> 00:14:53.472
- He's gonna continue on the journey perfecting what he's
- 00:14:53.472 --> 00:14:56.008
- Already placed in your life.
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- [music]
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- Blynda: i think comparison steals our uniqueness, because
- 00:15:24.838 --> 00:15:27.741
- Comparison is going to do one of two things.
- 00:15:27.741 --> 00:15:30.810
- Comparison is going to make you feel inferior, or it's going to
- 00:15:30.810 --> 00:15:34.414
- Make you feel superior, and both of those are distractions, both
- 00:15:34.414 --> 00:15:37.917
- Of those are not good, because where we want to land is in who
- 00:15:37.917 --> 00:15:41.421
- God made us and the security of knowing that the way he's made
- 00:15:41.421 --> 00:15:45.158
- Us is for great purpose.
- 00:15:45.158 --> 00:15:47.260
- And so if we're comparing, it's putting us either above someone
- 00:15:47.260 --> 00:15:50.230
- Or below someone, and neither are are good.
- 00:15:50.230 --> 00:15:52.665
- So i would just encourage you that if you feel comparison
- 00:15:52.665 --> 00:15:56.002
- Coming on, it's a thief.
- 00:15:56.002 --> 00:15:57.370
- Comparison is the thief of joy, and we wanna live a
- 00:15:57.370 --> 00:16:00.240
- Joy-filled life.
- 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:01.608
- So if we feel comparison coming on, take a moment to say i want
- 00:16:01.608 --> 00:16:05.412
- To sit rightly in who i am and let the scripture wash over you
- 00:16:05.412 --> 00:16:10.483
- With how god sees you.
- 00:16:10.483 --> 00:16:12.185
- But comparison will never get you where god wants to take you.
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- [music]
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- Donna: well, i was thinking about when i was in high school,
- 00:16:20.193 --> 00:16:22.429
- I remember all the girls that i thought were popular and the
- 00:16:22.429 --> 00:16:25.965
- Cheerleaders, all that, they all had blonde hair.
- 00:16:25.965 --> 00:16:28.468
- So, back then you could do this thing called--i think it was
- 00:16:28.468 --> 00:16:31.304
- Called sun in.
- 00:16:31.304 --> 00:16:33.506
- Jenni: that did not turn anything here blonde, just
- 00:16:33.506 --> 00:16:36.109
- Orange fire.
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- Donna: right?
- 00:16:37.477 --> 00:16:38.812
- So i asked--
- 00:16:38.812 --> 00:16:40.180
- Blynda: and a lot of dead ends.
- 00:16:40.180 --> 00:16:41.514
- Donna: yes, i had asked my parents if i could do my hair,
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- And my dad, you know, very staunch sicilian man said, "no
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- Way, you're not going to do that."
- 00:16:46.152 --> 00:16:47.754
- So, in the--i very seldom did anything disobedient, but i was
- 00:16:47.754 --> 00:16:51.558
- So desperate to be popular that i went and bought the kit
- 00:16:51.558 --> 00:16:54.828
- Myself, and i went, and you had to pull it through.
- 00:16:54.828 --> 00:16:57.430
- I think i got the thing you pulled through the cap, yeah,
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- And then it was orange, and i somehow thought my parents
- 00:16:59.966 --> 00:17:03.536
- Wouldn't notice i've done my hair.
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- Laurie: they were fine.
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- Jenni: how would they not notice?
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- Donna: oh, i know.
- 00:17:09.042 --> 00:17:10.376
- So we were sitting down to dinner, and i could tell my
- 00:17:10.376 --> 00:17:13.580
- Parents--my father had lost-- i mean, he could go from 0 to
- 00:17:13.580 --> 00:17:17.684
- 3,000 in about 2 seconds, the italian temper just went off,
- 00:17:17.684 --> 00:17:21.054
- And so he's like, "did you do anything to your hair?"
- 00:17:21.054 --> 00:17:23.623
- And i said, "oh, did you notice?"
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- And he said, "it's horrific."
- 00:17:26.993 --> 00:17:28.928
- So, me trying to look better than hearing from a dad how
- 00:17:28.928 --> 00:17:33.633
- Horrific i looked.
- 00:17:33.633 --> 00:17:35.001
- And then i always felt like i was overweight, and i became
- 00:17:35.001 --> 00:17:37.604
- Anorexic, because, you know, you eat, and then i would throw up,
- 00:17:37.604 --> 00:17:40.707
- And this is all during high school and college.
- 00:17:40.707 --> 00:17:42.976
- When i met jesus, the anorexia stopped, but the image
- 00:17:42.976 --> 00:17:46.146
- Issues continued.
- 00:17:46.146 --> 00:17:47.547
- And again, i think it was the comparison piece in the church.
- 00:17:47.547 --> 00:17:51.518
- But honestly, i think it's so important that we recognize who
- 00:17:51.518 --> 00:17:56.422
- God has created us to be and really work on building
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- Our confidence.
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- Sheila: i think as women, and you know what?
- 00:18:01.494 --> 00:18:04.864
- I'm pretty sure it happens with men, too, that we struggle
- 00:18:04.864 --> 00:18:08.468
- Sometimes with our own physical body.
- 00:18:08.468 --> 00:18:11.671
- You know, when i was younger, i was quite a bit heavier, and i
- 00:18:11.671 --> 00:18:15.675
- Hated it.
- 00:18:15.675 --> 00:18:17.010
- I mean, i particularly hated like in summertime when other
- 00:18:17.010 --> 00:18:19.512
- People would be out and, you know, little swimsuits and
- 00:18:19.512 --> 00:18:22.215
- Little bikinis and stuff, and i would have shorts and a t-shirt
- 00:18:22.215 --> 00:18:25.685
- On, because i just didn't like the way i looked.
- 00:18:25.685 --> 00:18:29.022
- And, you know, the funny thing is with god, he has a way of
- 00:18:29.022 --> 00:18:31.824
- Letting everything kind of fall apart till you realize that none
- 00:18:31.824 --> 00:18:35.295
- Of the things you depended on are really foundation stones.
- 00:18:35.295 --> 00:18:39.365
- When i began to understand that just as i am on my best days or
- 00:18:39.365 --> 00:18:43.069
- Worst days, i'm completely loved by god, it changed everything.
- 00:18:43.069 --> 00:18:48.474
- So whether you're struggling with how you see yourself right
- 00:18:48.474 --> 00:18:51.678
- Now or not, ask the holy spirit to help you see yourself as
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- God does.
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- Donna: you know, a number of years ago, our little 4 year
- 00:18:57.150 --> 00:18:59.419
- Old, gabrielle, was coming in in the middle of the night
- 00:18:59.419 --> 00:19:01.821
- Terrified of the--
- 00:19:01.821 --> 00:19:03.923
- "monsters, inc." was big back then,
- 00:19:03.923 --> 00:19:05.558
- So she would come in in the middle of the night
- 00:19:05.558 --> 00:19:07.460
- Terrified some blue monster was under her bed, and i would--
- 00:19:07.460 --> 00:19:10.063
- I was exhausted, so i would just pull her to bed with me, and
- 00:19:10.063 --> 00:19:12.298
- We'd fluff the blankets around us and just kind of soothe
- 00:19:12.298 --> 00:19:15.335
- Her fears.
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- And a couple weeks in, i was like this has got to stop.
- 00:19:16.703 --> 00:19:19.372
- And god spoke to me.
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- He said, "all you're doing is soothing her fears.
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- She's tall enough to reach the switch."
- 00:19:22.075 --> 00:19:24.377
- So i went back to her room, took her back to the switch, and i
- 00:19:24.377 --> 00:19:27.013
- Said, "i'm not--i'm gonna-- we're going to expose the fears.
- 00:19:27.013 --> 00:19:30.149
- We're not going to soothe them any longer."
- 00:19:30.149 --> 00:19:31.851
- And i think we can get to this point with our identity where we
- 00:19:31.851 --> 00:19:34.887
- Are continually soothing the fears, soothing the insecurity,
- 00:19:34.887 --> 00:19:38.391
- Soothing the shame, because it just feels comfortable, and
- 00:19:38.391 --> 00:19:40.860
- We're waiting for somebody else to affirm us.
- 00:19:40.860 --> 00:19:42.862
- If you're just waiting for other people's affirmation, there's a
- 00:19:42.862 --> 00:19:45.531
- Shallowness, there's no roots to that.
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- Laurie: unstable.
- 00:19:47.066 --> 00:19:48.401
- Donna: yes, exactly.
- 00:19:48.401 --> 00:19:49.769
- And it's great when you get it, but that shouldn't be your
- 00:19:49.769 --> 00:19:51.571
- Source of confidence.
- 00:19:51.571 --> 00:19:52.939
- Your confidence has to come-- i mean, it was when i started
- 00:19:52.939 --> 00:19:55.141
- Getting into the word, started reading what god said to me
- 00:19:55.141 --> 00:19:58.811
- About me that my whole mindset began--because it is a whole
- 00:19:58.811 --> 00:20:03.750
- Brain--it's a neural pathway change that you have to do.
- 00:20:03.750 --> 00:20:07.620
- It's discovering who you are.
- 00:20:07.620 --> 00:20:09.155
- We were just celebrating easter recently with our family and
- 00:20:09.155 --> 00:20:12.859
- With my grandchildren, and i had worn a pair of, you know, the
- 00:20:12.859 --> 00:20:16.763
- Suit shorts, the dressy shorts, and i thought it looked cute,
- 00:20:16.763 --> 00:20:20.266
- But by the time we were going to take family pictures, they were
- 00:20:20.266 --> 00:20:22.235
- All wrinkled and kind of a mess, they were linen, and so i was
- 00:20:22.235 --> 00:20:25.271
- Saying more to myself than anybody else, ugh, i hope--
- 00:20:25.271 --> 00:20:27.974
- Because my son-in-law is a photographer, i hope he can fix
- 00:20:27.974 --> 00:20:30.543
- My shorts, to which my daughter said to me, "mom, don't forget
- 00:20:30.543 --> 00:20:35.315
- Olivia's listening, and we don't want her to have body
- 00:20:35.315 --> 00:20:38.484
- Image issues."
- 00:20:38.484 --> 00:20:39.819
- Okay, to your point, if we don't pay attention to our perspective
- 00:20:39.819 --> 00:20:43.456
- Of ourselves now, we're transferring that on
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- To generations.
- 00:20:46.225 --> 00:20:47.593
- And even though i wasn't saying it with a body image issue, i
- 00:20:47.593 --> 00:20:49.829
- Was more irritated because my pants were wrinkled, we have to
- 00:20:49.829 --> 00:20:53.933
- Be so careful that we work on us, because i don't want
- 00:20:53.933 --> 00:20:58.471
- Generations from me missing the promise because i didn't see
- 00:20:58.471 --> 00:21:03.910
- God, i chose to see and soothe the fears, right?
- 00:21:03.910 --> 00:21:08.848
- Such a powerful thought.
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- Blynda: yeah, i've got two daughters, i've got a son in the
- 00:21:10.216 --> 00:21:12.385
- Middle, but you know, two daughters, and it is, it's a
- 00:21:12.385 --> 00:21:15.088
- Challenge when you raise daughters to make sure your
- 00:21:15.088 --> 00:21:17.523
- Words--they will not forget them, you know?
- 00:21:17.523 --> 00:21:20.860
- And so it was always a rule kind of in my house, but it was more
- 00:21:20.860 --> 00:21:25.064
- The rule for me, it wasn't a known rule, we're never going to
- 00:21:25.064 --> 00:21:28.468
- Say the word fat, we're not ever gonna diet, we're not talking
- 00:21:28.468 --> 00:21:31.604
- About diets, we're not--
- 00:21:31.604 --> 00:21:32.939
- Because, one, you think about, you know, you roll the dice in
- 00:21:32.939 --> 00:21:35.575
- The gene pool, you're gonna get--you know, so everybody is
- 00:21:35.575 --> 00:21:37.944
- Made so wonderfully and perfectly, but i've got two
- 00:21:37.944 --> 00:21:41.180
- Girls who are different heights, different everything, and i
- 00:21:41.180 --> 00:21:43.916
- Just--the lord really early on let me--thankfully, let me
- 00:21:43.916 --> 00:21:49.021
- Really have insight that those kind--that kind of language
- 00:21:49.021 --> 00:21:52.892
- Would be really damaging to them, and i wanted to celebrate
- 00:21:52.892 --> 00:21:58.030
- In our home how god had made them and not ever make them
- 00:21:58.030 --> 00:22:02.301
- Feel--but it's very challenging.
- 00:22:02.301 --> 00:22:04.270
- But i was gonna earlier read this, you mentioned it earlier,
- 00:22:04.270 --> 00:22:07.807
- But i think it goes so well with this.
- 00:22:07.807 --> 00:22:09.709
- Back in psalm 139 where it says, "for you created my inmost
- 00:22:09.709 --> 00:22:14.647
- Being, you knit me together in my mother's womb.
- 00:22:14.647 --> 00:22:17.316
- I praise you because i am fearfully and wonderfully made.
- 00:22:17.316 --> 00:22:21.287
- Your works are wonderful.
- 00:22:21.287 --> 00:22:22.722
- I know that full well."
- 00:22:22.722 --> 00:22:24.957
- To think about knowing, when you said that i immediately got this
- 00:22:24.957 --> 00:22:28.861
- Picture of like an immovable stake in the ground, like i know
- 00:22:28.861 --> 00:22:34.066
- It full well.
- 00:22:34.066 --> 00:22:35.668
- I'm not gonna be moved on this fact that i have in my heart
- 00:22:35.668 --> 00:22:39.939
- Solidified that i am wonderfully made, i'm purposefully made, and
- 00:22:39.939 --> 00:22:44.811
- So to be immovable in that means that you're not going to allow
- 00:22:44.811 --> 00:22:49.015
- How others see you to affect you, but even how you
- 00:22:49.015 --> 00:22:51.717
- See yourself.
- 00:22:51.717 --> 00:22:53.052
- Because there are times, i don't mean to be vain, but there are
- 00:22:53.052 --> 00:22:55.154
- Moments when i'm just at my house, and i haven't really done
- 00:22:55.154 --> 00:22:58.191
- Makeup, and i'm just in my pajamas, and i get a glimpse in
- 00:22:58.191 --> 00:23:00.593
- The mirror, and i'm like, oh, that's shocking.
- 00:23:00.593 --> 00:23:03.930
- [laughing]
- 00:23:03.930 --> 00:23:06.499
- Blynda: i can't believe that's actually the person looking back
- 00:23:06.499 --> 00:23:09.635
- At me.
- 00:23:09.635 --> 00:23:10.970
- There's just a little bit of aging happening, there's a few
- 00:23:10.970 --> 00:23:12.939
- Things, and all of that is real, it's all real, but there's
- 00:23:12.939 --> 00:23:17.076
- A knowing.
- 00:23:17.076 --> 00:23:18.411
- There's just a knowing in me, because i've walked with the
- 00:23:18.411 --> 00:23:20.346
- Lord long enough to know that are real things.
- 00:23:20.346 --> 00:23:24.350
- And okay, so let me say this, what i do think is i think
- 00:23:24.350 --> 00:23:27.854
- People watching may have an easier time believing they're
- 00:23:27.854 --> 00:23:30.923
- Fully accepted by god, but we live in a culture where people
- 00:23:30.923 --> 00:23:33.593
- Are not accepting, and so how do you live in the culture where we
- 00:23:33.593 --> 00:23:38.931
- Are--it's a vain culture.
- 00:23:38.931 --> 00:23:40.600
- Laurie: mirror, mirror on the wall.
- 00:23:40.600 --> 00:23:41.934
- Blynda: on the wall, and so we can know it in our heart that
- 00:23:41.934 --> 00:23:45.438
- God loves me the way i am, i don't--and then we have a
- 00:23:45.438 --> 00:23:47.874
- Culture saying you need to be this, you need to be skinnier,
- 00:23:47.874 --> 00:23:50.576
- Taller, thinner, what are all the things?
- 00:23:50.576 --> 00:23:52.578
- No wrinkles, you need the blonde hair, not the brown, whatever,
- 00:23:52.578 --> 00:23:56.015
- How do we manage that in a culture if you want to really
- 00:23:56.015 --> 00:24:00.152
- Live that way?
- 00:24:00.152 --> 00:24:01.921
- Blynda: when i think about how god would see my physical body,
- 00:24:01.921 --> 00:24:06.626
- I immediately think to me being a parent and having three kids,
- 00:24:06.626 --> 00:24:10.963
- And when i look at my kids, yes, i know they have physical
- 00:24:10.963 --> 00:24:14.767
- Characteristics, and in fact, they're all very different, but
- 00:24:14.767 --> 00:24:17.169
- What's amazing from a mother's heart and a mother's love is i
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- Actually embrace and love every physical characteristic they
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- Have, even the ones that are different from each other.
- 00:24:24.377 --> 00:24:26.312
- It makes them even more unique.
- 00:24:26.312 --> 00:24:28.381
- And when i look at them, i think of them in such perfect,
- 00:24:28.381 --> 00:24:31.217
- Beautiful ways, that it's so refreshing to think about that
- 00:24:31.217 --> 00:24:37.256
- God would think of me and my physical body in the same way.
- 00:24:37.256 --> 00:24:41.694
- He just looks at me and thinks, "i created you, every hair on
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- Your head, the color of your eyes, the height you are.
- 00:24:45.598 --> 00:24:48.334
- This is how i designed you, and i love every bit of you."
- 00:24:48.334 --> 00:24:52.271
- The other thing i want to remind you is, though we focus, and
- 00:24:52.271 --> 00:24:55.775
- There is truth to our physical body, scripture tells us that
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- Though man looks at our outward appearance, god looks at
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- The heart.
- 00:25:03.082 --> 00:25:04.450
- So i never want to forget that, yes, he did make me in a certain
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- Way, and i think he thinks i'm beautiful, and he loves me, but
- 00:25:07.853 --> 00:25:10.990
- He's so much more interested in my heart toward him.
- 00:25:10.990 --> 00:25:14.860
- And that is where i feel so much connection to him.
- 00:25:14.860 --> 00:25:17.330
- The other thing, too, to remember is that his ways are
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- Not our ways, his thoughts are higher than our thoughts.
- 00:25:19.532 --> 00:25:23.035
- Our culture puts an emphasis on physical beauty, on
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- Physical attributes.
- 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:29.709
- I don't believe god does.
- 00:25:29.709 --> 00:25:31.277
- I believe because he was our creator, the way he made us is
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- The way he wanted us.
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- So what he would say is i have something higher and better for
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- You than you can even know because of the way i made you.
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- I made you for this specific time and place.
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- I'm putting you in places that i need your color of eyes and your
- 00:25:45.791 --> 00:25:49.729
- Height and who you are.
- 00:25:49.729 --> 00:25:51.397
- I need that, i did it on purpose, and we don't maybe
- 00:25:51.397 --> 00:25:54.400
- Fully understand that till we get to heaven, because his ways
- 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.702
- Are higher, his thoughts are greater, but i have to believe
- 00:25:56.702 --> 00:25:59.505
- It, that my physical appearance is just another tool he uses to
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- Bring glory to him.
- 00:26:03.476 --> 00:26:05.678
- Jenni: so it's interesting, because i was in hong kong last
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- October, and my aunts love me, they're so incredible.
- 00:26:08.114 --> 00:26:11.183
- And we know enough, like asian girls are usually, especially if
- 00:26:11.183 --> 00:26:14.120
- They're not american, like unhealthily so.
- 00:26:14.120 --> 00:26:16.188
- They're very, very small.
- 00:26:16.188 --> 00:26:17.523
- And so when i go to hong kong, people know i'm american just
- 00:26:17.523 --> 00:26:20.326
- Because one, i'm not large, but i'm bigger than all of them
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- Together, and i make eye contact.
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- That's a thing, right?
- 00:26:26.866 --> 00:26:28.234
- Like, they don't make eye contact there.
- 00:26:28.234 --> 00:26:29.702
- So, when i was there, my aunt, i hadn't seen her for, i don't
- 00:26:29.702 --> 00:26:32.772
- Know, maybe 8 years.
- 00:26:32.772 --> 00:26:35.408
- First she gives me a big hug, and then she's like, "oh," and
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- She pinches me.
- 00:26:38.644 --> 00:26:39.979
- She goes, "you need to lose some weight."
- 00:26:39.979 --> 00:26:41.914
- And here's the thing, because i now--
- 00:26:41.914 --> 00:26:45.551
- Blynda: is that kind of bluntness part of the culture?
- 00:26:45.551 --> 00:26:47.119
- Jenni: it's part of the culture, and strangely enough, it's never
- 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.122
- Bothered me.
- 00:26:50.122 --> 00:26:51.457
- I've grown up with--it's like, oh, it's tuesday, oh, you're a
- 00:26:51.457 --> 00:26:54.560
- Little chunky, and i don't think i was ever chunky.
- 00:26:54.560 --> 00:26:56.996
- I was always more athletic build, and so i struggle with
- 00:26:56.996 --> 00:27:00.332
- Other things.
- 00:27:00.332 --> 00:27:01.667
- My, like, physical is not necess--
- 00:27:01.667 --> 00:27:03.369
- If i can squat, if i can work, if i can--if i'm not hurting
- 00:27:03.369 --> 00:27:07.673
- All the time, i feel pretty good about it, right?
- 00:27:07.673 --> 00:27:10.176
- And so i'm grateful for that, but i know that's not the thing.
- 00:27:10.176 --> 00:27:12.645
- But even in that moment was just like you need to lose
- 00:27:12.645 --> 00:27:15.781
- Some weight.
- 00:27:15.781 --> 00:27:17.149
- It's like the second thing she said to me, you know?
- 00:27:17.149 --> 00:27:19.051
- And i thought my sister was amazed.
- 00:27:19.051 --> 00:27:21.020
- She's like, "are you okay?"
- 00:27:21.020 --> 00:27:22.354
- I'm like, actually, that didn't really bother me.
- 00:27:22.354 --> 00:27:23.823
- That's like, i had to learn to think, oh, she just loves me,
- 00:27:23.823 --> 00:27:27.993
- Like are you okay kind of a thing.
- 00:27:27.993 --> 00:27:29.795
- And i had to remember in a cultural context what she
- 00:27:29.795 --> 00:27:33.165
- Meant, right?
- 00:27:33.165 --> 00:27:34.533
- But it did--because i am a believer, and i have done the
- 00:27:34.533 --> 00:27:37.336
- Work, and i know i have a lot to offer that is not just in what i
- 00:27:37.336 --> 00:27:41.207
- Look like or how much i weigh.
- 00:27:41.207 --> 00:27:42.675
- You know, you just read this, blynda, and also you, sheila.
- 00:27:42.675 --> 00:27:45.010
- Like, in--if you read on in psalm 139, then 17, "how
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- Precious to me are your thoughts, o god?
- 00:27:49.014 --> 00:27:51.217
- How vast is the sum of them?
- 00:27:51.217 --> 00:27:52.952
- If i would count them, they are more than the sand.
- 00:27:52.952 --> 00:27:56.589
- I awake, and i am still with you."
- 00:27:56.589 --> 00:27:59.358
- If you could count them, you're more than the sand.
- 00:27:59.358 --> 00:28:01.660
- Like, it doesn't matter what one thing, negative four things,
- 00:28:01.660 --> 00:28:05.264
- Five things, a lifetime, it's not more than the sand that
- 00:28:05.264 --> 00:28:08.901
- God's talking about here, right?
- 00:28:08.901 --> 00:28:10.503
- And so just seeing how god-- trying to understand how god
- 00:28:10.503 --> 00:28:13.639
- Sees you, which is difficult, but i try to do it in how i see
- 00:28:13.639 --> 00:28:18.711
- My kids.
- 00:28:18.711 --> 00:28:20.913
- Now, i'm not saying that they're perfect, but man, they're pretty
- 00:28:20.913 --> 00:28:24.850
- Great, right?
- 00:28:24.850 --> 00:28:26.519
- And so i can't imagine even how much more god looks at us, and
- 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.790
- It's not how we were raised with the, oh, there's so many things
- 00:28:30.790 --> 00:28:33.526
- Wrong with you.
- 00:28:33.526 --> 00:28:34.860
- God is looking at us like i delight in you, and we have to
- 00:28:34.860 --> 00:28:38.063
- Change that in our own minds.
- 00:28:38.063 --> 00:28:41.167
- Jenni: i think a cultural standard of beauty is dangerous
- 00:28:41.167 --> 00:28:43.502
- When we actually put it above what god has intended us to look
- 00:28:43.502 --> 00:28:47.573
- Like or be like or live like.
- 00:28:47.573 --> 00:28:50.709
- We naturally in the world want to fit into our culture, but you
- 00:28:50.709 --> 00:28:56.115
- Got to remember throughout history, beauty standards
- 00:28:56.115 --> 00:28:58.584
- Have changed.
- 00:28:58.584 --> 00:29:00.319
- Being heavier was very attractive at one point, and now
- 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.755
- Being thinner is, and you have to look a certain way, but in
- 00:29:02.755 --> 00:29:05.724
- The end, why would god create you to be a cookie cutter of
- 00:29:05.724 --> 00:29:09.328
- Something else or someone else?
- 00:29:09.328 --> 00:29:11.764
- You have to look at yourself in the mirror and remind yourself
- 00:29:11.764 --> 00:29:15.768
- That god, you made--god made you exactly the way you are for
- 00:29:15.768 --> 00:29:19.705
- A purpose and for a reason.
- 00:29:19.705 --> 00:29:21.240
- And i know that might be hard to hear, especially if you've heard
- 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.976
- Things from other people, but god's truth is bigger and more
- 00:29:23.976 --> 00:29:28.147
- Important and more worth listening to and leaning into
- 00:29:28.147 --> 00:29:31.116
- Than any other voice.
- 00:29:31.116 --> 00:29:33.018
- Sheila: even what we perceive as weaknesses or handicaps are
- 00:29:33.018 --> 00:29:37.356
- Fearfully and wonderfully made.
- 00:29:37.356 --> 00:29:39.525
- Take joni eareckson tada.
- 00:29:39.525 --> 00:29:41.760
- I mean, stunningly-beautiful athletic girl, 16, dives off,
- 00:29:41.760 --> 00:29:45.564
- Breaks her neck, quadriplegic, but she is fearfully and
- 00:29:45.564 --> 00:29:49.535
- Wonderfully made and the way god has used her.
- 00:29:49.535 --> 00:29:52.137
- Think of nick, our friend, nick vujicic.
- 00:29:52.137 --> 00:29:53.505
- Blynda: yeah, right, i was just going to say that.
- 00:29:53.505 --> 00:29:56.008
- Sheila: yeah, born with no arms and no legs and one of the most
- 00:29:56.008 --> 00:29:59.812
- Amazing ministries in the world.
- 00:29:59.812 --> 00:30:01.614
- Blynda: right, and he literally says if god can use a man with
- 00:30:01.614 --> 00:30:04.750
- No arms and legs to be the hands and feet of jesus, then none of
- 00:30:04.750 --> 00:30:08.187
- Us have any excuse, he's incredible.
- 00:30:08.187 --> 00:30:10.356
- Sheila: absolutely.
- 00:30:10.356 --> 00:30:11.724
- Laurie: and we can't reject what god has accepted.
- 00:30:11.724 --> 00:30:14.093
- We can't live by labels that he didn't give us in the first
- 00:30:14.093 --> 00:30:17.096
- Place, you know?
- 00:30:17.096 --> 00:30:18.664
- And so, our identity, back to-- you know, now i'm not saying
- 00:30:18.664 --> 00:30:23.035
- That we don't need healing, we might need some discipline, we
- 00:30:23.035 --> 00:30:26.972
- Might need some growth, we might need to change some things up
- 00:30:26.972 --> 00:30:31.610
- Here to help us just in the natural get to a point where
- 00:30:31.610 --> 00:30:38.384
- We--to be healthy, but we have to see ourselves like god sees
- 00:30:38.384 --> 00:30:43.856
- Us, and i know that's hard.
- 00:30:43.856 --> 00:30:45.391
- Sheila: but when you get that, it changes everything.
- 00:30:45.391 --> 00:30:48.093
- I remember i was on a call-in radio show, and it was after i'd
- 00:30:48.093 --> 00:30:52.097
- Spent a month in a hospital, and i could tell that the person who
- 00:30:52.097 --> 00:30:55.634
- Was screening the calls was not going to let a call through, and
- 00:30:55.634 --> 00:30:59.138
- Then he threw to a commercial break, and i said, "why did you
- 00:30:59.138 --> 00:31:01.106
- Not let that call through?"
- 00:31:01.106 --> 00:31:02.541
- And he said, "oh, that person's angry with you."
- 00:31:02.541 --> 00:31:04.810
- And i said, "well, put them through."
- 00:31:04.810 --> 00:31:06.979
- And so they came through, and they said, "i just want to ask
- 00:31:06.979 --> 00:31:09.682
- You, is it true that you were in a psych hospital?"
- 00:31:09.682 --> 00:31:12.785
- And i said, "yeah."
- 00:31:12.785 --> 00:31:14.186
- And she said, "okay, here's my real question, do you still
- 00:31:14.186 --> 00:31:17.256
- Take medication?"
- 00:31:17.256 --> 00:31:18.624
- And i say, "yeah, i take it every morning with a prayer
- 00:31:18.624 --> 00:31:20.960
- Of thanksgiving."
- 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:22.461
- And she said, "then i'm so disappointed in you."
- 00:31:22.461 --> 00:31:26.298
- And what i said to her, sounds flip, and i didn't mean it
- 00:31:26.298 --> 00:31:29.635
- That way.
- 00:31:29.635 --> 00:31:30.970
- I said, "i totally get it, i'm disappointed in myself."
- 00:31:30.970 --> 00:31:32.604
- I mean, "there's so many more things i could tell you,"
- 00:31:32.604 --> 00:31:35.207
- But after--
- 00:31:35.207 --> 00:31:36.942
- Blynda: like, take a number.
- 00:31:36.942 --> 00:31:38.277
- Laurie: just to help your case out.
- 00:31:38.277 --> 00:31:39.645
- Jenni: that's a good response.
- 00:31:39.645 --> 00:31:41.013
- Sheila: but i said to her, "is there any way you would give me
- 00:31:41.013 --> 00:31:43.082
- Your phone number?"
- 00:31:43.082 --> 00:31:44.450
- And so when i got home, i called her that night, and it was
- 00:31:44.450 --> 00:31:48.921
- Behind this apparent anger and disappointment was a lot of pain
- 00:31:48.921 --> 00:31:53.926
- And hurt, because she's struggling with depression and
- 00:31:53.926 --> 00:31:58.130
- Felt it was ungodly to get help.
- 00:31:58.130 --> 00:32:00.666
- And i mean, i say this all the time, but one of my daily
- 00:32:00.666 --> 00:32:03.669
- Prayers is, lord, give me eyes to see what i will miss without
- 00:32:03.669 --> 00:32:08.273
- You, give me ears to hear.
- 00:32:08.273 --> 00:32:10.275
- Even like yesterday, i'm in the house, and we have this little
- 00:32:10.275 --> 00:32:13.545
- Yorkie who barks like a lunatic, and she's just--she's adorable.
- 00:32:13.545 --> 00:32:18.650
- Suddenly our fire alarm goes off, and it's like so loud, and
- 00:32:18.650 --> 00:32:23.155
- I don't know what to do, because nothing in the house is on fire,
- 00:32:23.155 --> 00:32:25.891
- But i'm attached--there's like four town homes attached, so if
- 00:32:25.891 --> 00:32:28.560
- It goes off in one, it goes off in all of them.
- 00:32:28.560 --> 00:32:31.797
- So i try to get maggie to take her outside, and she hides under
- 00:32:31.797 --> 00:32:35.934
- The chair, she won't come out.
- 00:32:35.934 --> 00:32:37.636
- So i go outside to see what's going on, and there's this
- 00:32:37.636 --> 00:32:40.439
- Discussion amongst our neighbors.
- 00:32:40.439 --> 00:32:43.075
- My next door neighbor, she had left a bagel in the oven and got
- 00:32:43.075 --> 00:32:47.846
- On a phone call and forgot about it, and then opened the oven
- 00:32:47.846 --> 00:32:50.015
- Door and the smoke just, you know, kind of.
- 00:32:50.015 --> 00:32:52.084
- And so she was out, my neighbor to the left was out with her
- 00:32:52.084 --> 00:32:56.288
- Dog, and another neighbor with a dog, and she was kind of mad
- 00:32:56.288 --> 00:33:00.025
- With her that, you know, that she'd had to get out of the
- 00:33:00.025 --> 00:33:02.961
- House, and her dog was going nuts and running around
- 00:33:02.961 --> 00:33:04.930
- The pond.
- 00:33:04.930 --> 00:33:06.265
- The only thing i felt, i felt the holy spirit say to me, "go
- 00:33:06.265 --> 00:33:09.601
- And--" i mean, my neighbor's 84, "go and wrap your arms
- 00:33:09.601 --> 00:33:14.239
- Around her."
- 00:33:14.239 --> 00:33:15.574
- So, i went up to her, and i wrapped my arms around her, and
- 00:33:15.574 --> 00:33:18.310
- I said, "if it wasn't you, it would have been me."
- 00:33:18.310 --> 00:33:20.879
- You know, we've all done things like that.
- 00:33:20.879 --> 00:33:23.682
- And it was so interesting, because i thought just the
- 00:33:23.682 --> 00:33:26.852
- Simplest things of asking god for eyes to see and to hear
- 00:33:26.852 --> 00:33:32.091
- What's happening behind-- because sometimes the words
- 00:33:32.091 --> 00:33:34.326
- Coming out of somebody's mouth are harsh or unkind, but you
- 00:33:34.326 --> 00:33:38.664
- Don't really know what's going on.
- 00:33:38.664 --> 00:33:40.466
- But i love the fact that the holy spirit is always willing to
- 00:33:40.466 --> 00:33:44.002
- Say, hey, take a look at this.
- 00:33:44.002 --> 00:33:45.971
- What about that?
- 00:33:45.971 --> 00:33:48.073
- Laurie: well, and i think it comes down to the words that
- 00:33:48.073 --> 00:33:50.442
- We speak.
- 00:33:50.442 --> 00:33:51.777
- You know, if we're agreeing with the lies in our head, then we're
- 00:33:51.777 --> 00:33:55.214
- Actually improving, empowering that through our lives.
- 00:33:55.214 --> 00:33:59.751
- If we take those thoughts, and we start thinking what god has
- 00:33:59.751 --> 00:34:04.590
- Said about me, you start coming in line and in agreement with
- 00:34:04.590 --> 00:34:09.128
- God, that's gonna change your life, that's gonna change--
- 00:34:09.128 --> 00:34:12.264
- Because it's gonna renew your mind, right?
- 00:34:12.264 --> 00:34:15.534
- With the truth of god's word, and it changes everything.
- 00:34:15.534 --> 00:34:18.770
- It changes how you interact with your neighbor.
- 00:34:18.770 --> 00:34:22.107
- It changes, you know, everything that we do
- 00:34:22.107 --> 00:34:26.478
- When we know who we are in christ.
- 00:34:26.478 --> 00:34:29.781
- [music]
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- Blynda: hi, everyone, we're answering your questions behind
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- The scenes here at "better together," and i've got donna
- 00:34:38.590 --> 00:34:41.093
- Here with me.
- 00:34:41.093 --> 00:34:42.427
- Donna, i'm gonna ask you a question from candace.
- 00:34:42.427 --> 00:34:46.031
- It says, "i've struggled with an eating disorder several times
- 00:34:46.031 --> 00:34:49.368
- Throughout my life.
- 00:34:49.368 --> 00:34:50.702
- I don't feel like church is a safe place to talk about this.
- 00:34:50.702 --> 00:34:53.772
- How can i be free from shame?"
- 00:34:53.772 --> 00:34:55.974
- Donna: you know what, candace?
- 00:34:55.974 --> 00:34:57.309
- It's a really good question, and i actually struggled with
- 00:34:57.309 --> 00:35:00.846
- Anorexia early on when i was in high school, early days of
- 00:35:00.846 --> 00:35:04.249
- College because of image issues, and part of the issue was that i
- 00:35:04.249 --> 00:35:09.054
- Kept comparing myself to other people, and so i'm sorry.
- 00:35:09.054 --> 00:35:12.925
- I'm sorry that you don't feel like wherever you're attending
- 00:35:12.925 --> 00:35:15.227
- Church doesn't feel safe for you right now.
- 00:35:15.227 --> 00:35:17.930
- Part of that may be just shame is talking.
- 00:35:17.930 --> 00:35:20.232
- You can't heal what you hide, right?
- 00:35:20.232 --> 00:35:23.001
- And so the vulnerability is part of the healing process, but i
- 00:35:23.001 --> 00:35:26.405
- Would encourage you to find counseling or therapy if you
- 00:35:26.405 --> 00:35:29.474
- Haven't already done that.
- 00:35:29.474 --> 00:35:30.842
- For me, that was part of the healing process.
- 00:35:30.842 --> 00:35:32.544
- And then get--obviously, it's just getting into the word
- 00:35:32.544 --> 00:35:34.813
- Of god.
- 00:35:34.813 --> 00:35:36.148
- What does god speak about you?
- 00:35:36.148 --> 00:35:37.516
- And begin declaring that over yourself.
- 00:35:37.516 --> 00:35:39.418
- But i would just wanna encourage you, you're not alone in
- 00:35:39.418 --> 00:35:41.954
- This wrestle.
- 00:35:41.954 --> 00:35:43.288
- There's a lot of women and men who struggle with the same thing
- 00:35:43.288 --> 00:35:45.991
- That you do.
- 00:35:45.991 --> 00:35:47.326
- Sometimes the enemy comes in and tries to isolate us, so i would
- 00:35:47.326 --> 00:35:50.095
- Say therapy, but i would also say it's really important to
- 00:35:50.095 --> 00:35:53.799
- Stay connected to community in a local church, because maybe you
- 00:35:53.799 --> 00:35:57.769
- Don't feel safe now, and i don't know whatever it is that made
- 00:35:57.769 --> 00:36:01.139
- You feel unsafe, but i don't want you to dislocate yourself
- 00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:04.476
- From that, because community is part of the healing process.
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- Blynda: i wanna highlight what you said that it is true when we
- 00:36:07.713 --> 00:36:10.315
- Keep things like this in the dark, there's really no chance
- 00:36:10.315 --> 00:36:13.418
- For them to have freedom and to be healed from it, because
- 00:36:13.418 --> 00:36:16.355
- That's where it can stay, and but that does create shame
- 00:36:16.355 --> 00:36:20.058
- And insecurity.
- 00:36:20.058 --> 00:36:21.994
- And so i wanna encourage you too.
- 00:36:21.994 --> 00:36:24.229
- I don't know exactly, like donna said, what made you think that
- 00:36:24.229 --> 00:36:28.267
- That wasn't a safe place, but i really believe there's gotta be
- 00:36:28.267 --> 00:36:31.670
- One person that you could find in the church that you could
- 00:36:31.670 --> 00:36:34.072
- Confide in or maybe even a family member where you could
- 00:36:34.072 --> 00:36:37.743
- Just actually speak it out.
- 00:36:37.743 --> 00:36:39.544
- I think there's something really powerful about saying the words,
- 00:36:39.544 --> 00:36:43.315
- They lose their power when they're spoken, and then having
- 00:36:43.315 --> 00:36:46.151
- Somebody pray over you.
- 00:36:46.151 --> 00:36:47.486
- But again, also, i think a professional in this situation
- 00:36:47.486 --> 00:36:50.956
- Probably would help as well.
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- Donna: yeah, thanks for sharing that, candace.
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- Donna: i think there's this story, but it's about thomas
- 00:37:10.777 --> 00:37:14.113
- Edison, and apparently when he was young, he came bounding home
- 00:37:14.113 --> 00:37:18.384
- From school one day with a letter in his hands from
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- His teacher.
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- He couldn't read, so his mom-- he asked his mom to read it, and
- 00:37:21.721 --> 00:37:23.690
- She read it, and it said, "your son is too bright for this--
- 00:37:23.690 --> 00:37:27.493
- He's a genius for this school.
- 00:37:27.493 --> 00:37:29.262
- We cannot teach him any longer."
- 00:37:29.262 --> 00:37:31.230
- And so from that moment on, his mother taught him at home.
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- So, anyways, fast forward in his life, he's accomplished all
- 00:37:34.901 --> 00:37:37.704
- These great things, but then we find out he's going--his mother
- 00:37:37.704 --> 00:37:41.207
- Passes away, he's going through his mother's things, and he
- 00:37:41.207 --> 00:37:43.943
- Reads what the actual letter to his mom said, and it said, "your
- 00:37:43.943 --> 00:37:47.046
- Son is deficient mentally, we cannot keep him in our school.
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- Laurie: failing.
- 00:37:51.718 --> 00:37:53.086
- Donna: so that day, failing, they called it addled back then,
- 00:37:53.086 --> 00:37:55.621
- Mentally deficient.
- 00:37:55.621 --> 00:37:57.090
- So that day he wrote in his journal, "thomas alva edison,
- 00:37:57.090 --> 00:38:01.627
- Who became the genius of the century because of his mother
- 00:38:01.627 --> 00:38:05.665
- And the words she spoke," something to that.
- 00:38:05.665 --> 00:38:07.500
- I'm rephrasing it.
- 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:09.135
- But so i think it's so important what we speak to ourselves and
- 00:38:09.135 --> 00:38:12.872
- What we speak to others.
- 00:38:12.872 --> 00:38:14.207
- And so ephesians 1:3 says, "blessed be the god and father
- 00:38:14.207 --> 00:38:17.944
- Of our lord jesus christ, who has blessed us in christ with
- 00:38:17.944 --> 00:38:21.514
- Every spiritual blessing."
- 00:38:21.514 --> 00:38:23.149
- So that word blessed in the greek is eulogia, it's the same
- 00:38:23.149 --> 00:38:27.253
- Word as eulogy, so god is-- like, right now while we're
- 00:38:27.253 --> 00:38:29.689
- Sitting here, 24/7, god is speaking life and promise over
- 00:38:29.689 --> 00:38:34.627
- Us, over your failures, over your battles, over
- 00:38:34.627 --> 00:38:37.597
- Your hardships.
- 00:38:37.597 --> 00:38:39.232
- Everything that you've done that was right or wrong, he's never
- 00:38:39.232 --> 00:38:41.834
- Stopped speaking life over us, and really, what is so key is
- 00:38:41.834 --> 00:38:46.639
- That to see ourselves through what he speaks is so powerful.
- 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:51.277
- Not only do we see ourselves differently, but then we begin
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- To see others, our kids speaking in that same life.
- 00:38:55.314 --> 00:38:58.518
- Thomas alva edison's mom, i don't even know if she was
- 00:38:58.518 --> 00:39:00.720
- A christian.
- 00:39:00.720 --> 00:39:02.054
- All i know is that she changed the course of her son's life,
- 00:39:02.054 --> 00:39:04.023
- And the words that we speak--
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- Blynda: and history.
- 00:39:05.391 --> 00:39:06.726
- Donna: yes, so we go back to the spies, and i mean, right?
- 00:39:06.726 --> 00:39:10.096
- Just what god does through what we believe and what we speak is
- 00:39:10.096 --> 00:39:13.099
- So powerful.
- 00:39:13.099 --> 00:39:14.434
- Laurie: it's like redeem our vision, lord.
- 00:39:14.434 --> 00:39:16.002
- Redeem how we look when we look into the mirror and say mirror,
- 00:39:16.002 --> 00:39:19.472
- Mirror on the wall, you know?
- 00:39:19.472 --> 00:39:22.542
- And see his reflection back.
- 00:39:22.542 --> 00:39:24.110
- It's not what we do, it's what god does on the inside of us to
- 00:39:24.110 --> 00:39:28.014
- Make us look more like him.
- 00:39:28.014 --> 00:39:30.316
- Laurie: i think what we say matters so much, because what we
- 00:39:30.316 --> 00:39:34.720
- Say, we start to become.
- 00:39:34.720 --> 00:39:37.390
- That's why we have to speak life, even over ourselves,
- 00:39:37.390 --> 00:39:40.793
- Things that, you know, we only have us to be around 24 hours a
- 00:39:40.793 --> 00:39:45.097
- Day, right?
- 00:39:45.097 --> 00:39:46.466
- And so not everything that i do, do i like.
- 00:39:46.466 --> 00:39:50.803
- I have to--some things i just think, well, you're an idiot,
- 00:39:50.803 --> 00:39:54.707
- You know?
- 00:39:54.707 --> 00:39:56.075
- And i have to just say, okay, i can't just say that about myself
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- All the time.
- 00:39:59.579 --> 00:40:00.947
- I have to start talking to myself about i have the mind of
- 00:40:00.947 --> 00:40:07.119
- Christ, i am capable of that, i can do all seasons through
- 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:12.258
- Christ who strengthens me, and start speaking life.
- 00:40:12.258 --> 00:40:15.661
- You know, i am chosen, i am loved, i don't have to be the
- 00:40:15.661 --> 00:40:19.232
- Most beautiful, i don't have to be the most fluent, i don't have
- 00:40:19.232 --> 00:40:22.235
- To be all that, 'cause i am not that, right?
- 00:40:22.235 --> 00:40:25.838
- All my identity, all we should be saying is our identity, i
- 00:40:25.838 --> 00:40:29.709
- Live in christ.
- 00:40:29.709 --> 00:40:31.644
- Sheila: one of the things i used to do with christian when he was
- 00:40:31.644 --> 00:40:33.713
- Little, and then i started to do it with myself is when he was
- 00:40:33.713 --> 00:40:37.216
- Ready for bed, and we'd said our prayers and, you know, he was
- 00:40:37.216 --> 00:40:39.585
- All tucked up, and i would put his little night light on, and
- 00:40:39.585 --> 00:40:42.622
- Then i'd go to the door, and i'd turn back, and i'd say to him
- 00:40:42.622 --> 00:40:45.258
- Every night, "which boy does mommy love?"
- 00:40:45.258 --> 00:40:48.694
- And he would put his little hand on his face, and he would say,
- 00:40:48.694 --> 00:40:51.464
- "this boy."
- 00:40:51.464 --> 00:40:52.832
- Blynda: oh.
- 00:40:52.832 --> 00:40:54.166
- Sheila: and i cannot tell you the number of times when i'm
- 00:40:54.166 --> 00:40:57.470
- Having a day where i think, you know, i look like i climbed up
- 00:40:57.470 --> 00:40:59.872
- An embankment after a train wreck, and i'll say to mys--and
- 00:40:59.872 --> 00:41:03.543
- I'll look in the mirror and i'll say, "which girl does
- 00:41:03.543 --> 00:41:06.245
- Jesus love?"
- 00:41:06.245 --> 00:41:08.214
- This girl.
- 00:41:08.214 --> 00:41:09.849
- Blynda: i mean, we know in proverbs that it says the tongue
- 00:41:09.849 --> 00:41:12.652
- Has the power of life and death, and all those who love it will
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- Eat of its fruit.
- 00:41:16.255 --> 00:41:17.590
- Think about the beauty of that, to eat of its fruit.
- 00:41:17.590 --> 00:41:20.860
- I mean, it matters what we say about ourselves and others.
- 00:41:20.860 --> 00:41:24.163
- Donna: well, also, hebrews 4:12 says, "the word of god is
- 00:41:24.163 --> 00:41:27.266
- Sharper than any two-edged sword, cuts asunder the soul and
- 00:41:27.266 --> 00:41:30.836
- The spirit."
- 00:41:30.836 --> 00:41:32.204
- But if you look up the two edges in the original language, it
- 00:41:32.204 --> 00:41:34.440
- Means two mouths.
- 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:36.042
- Sheila: wow.
- 00:41:36.042 --> 00:41:37.410
- Donna: which means god speaks it, we repeat it.
- 00:41:37.410 --> 00:41:39.979
- That's what cuts asunder our emotions, our thoughts from what
- 00:41:39.979 --> 00:41:43.649
- The spirit of god is doing.
- 00:41:43.649 --> 00:41:45.017
- And so, it is--it's like, it's so easy right now.
- 00:41:45.017 --> 00:41:47.753
- You can google what are promises i can speak over myself in the
- 00:41:47.753 --> 00:41:50.923
- Bible if you don't have them.
- 00:41:50.923 --> 00:41:52.391
- I mean, you can start reading in the book of john, but it
- 00:41:52.391 --> 00:41:55.061
- Behooves us to be the ones that are exposing the lies rather
- 00:41:55.061 --> 00:41:59.365
- Than soothing them, and the only way to do--you can't stop a
- 00:41:59.365 --> 00:42:02.401
- Thought, you can only replace it with that two-edged sword.
- 00:42:02.401 --> 00:42:05.304
- Isn't that so powerful?
- 00:42:05.304 --> 00:42:06.639
- Jenni: you know, my self-talk has not--has historically
- 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.343
- Been terrible.
- 00:42:10.343 --> 00:42:11.711
- I think a lot of us, it's not great.
- 00:42:11.711 --> 00:42:13.913
- And i remember one of my therapists saying, because i
- 00:42:13.913 --> 00:42:17.550
- Couldn't seem to talk-- self-talk well of myself.
- 00:42:17.550 --> 00:42:21.120
- She's like, "can you try to be kind to others?"
- 00:42:21.120 --> 00:42:23.756
- And i will say the practice of being kind to others--and we
- 00:42:23.756 --> 00:42:26.726
- Are not a kind culture to each other.
- 00:42:26.726 --> 00:42:28.127
- We just say terrible things to each other, and we're so judgy,
- 00:42:28.127 --> 00:42:32.064
- And it's just out of this nastiness that we have toward
- 00:42:32.064 --> 00:42:34.867
- Ourselves, right?
- 00:42:34.867 --> 00:42:36.235
- But in some cases, a practical way for me was i had a--i
- 00:42:36.235 --> 00:42:38.871
- Couldn't do it for myself yet, so i just tried to be more kind.
- 00:42:38.871 --> 00:42:42.675
- Now, i'm not the nicest person, but nicety and kindness are not
- 00:42:42.675 --> 00:42:45.411
- The same thing.
- 00:42:45.411 --> 00:42:46.779
- But i will say i do know i'm kind, because i have worked
- 00:42:46.779 --> 00:42:49.315
- Really hard at that, right?
- 00:42:49.315 --> 00:42:51.217
- Sheila: that matters.
- 00:42:51.217 --> 00:42:52.551
- Jenni: and once i started being more kind consistently to
- 00:42:52.551 --> 00:42:54.720
- Others, i could actually--not only was it like shone back onto
- 00:42:54.720 --> 00:42:59.358
- Me, but i could see it to myself.
- 00:42:59.358 --> 00:43:02.728
- But it took a while, and so it does take practice.
- 00:43:02.728 --> 00:43:05.398
- You have to do it, you have to engage with it every day,
- 00:43:05.398 --> 00:43:08.267
- Multiple times a day, or else it's just a thought, and nothing
- 00:43:08.267 --> 00:43:11.570
- Comes of it.
- 00:43:11.570 --> 00:43:12.905
- Blynda: but kindness is attractive, also, so it actually
- 00:43:12.905 --> 00:43:14.373
- Probably did change your demeanor too.
- 00:43:14.373 --> 00:43:17.410
- Donna: you know, i used to--i think it was false humility that
- 00:43:17.410 --> 00:43:21.614
- Used to--somebody would tell me i'd look pretty, or somebody
- 00:43:21.614 --> 00:43:24.216
- Would say you did a great job, and i'd be like, oh, no, no,
- 00:43:24.216 --> 00:43:27.019
- That's--you know, it was-- because i used to feel like if i
- 00:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.156
- Agreed with what they were telling me, that i was
- 00:43:30.156 --> 00:43:32.625
- Being prideful.
- 00:43:32.625 --> 00:43:33.959
- And even then, like, when i'd look in the mirror, or i'd see
- 00:43:33.959 --> 00:43:38.097
- Myself, i would always feel like it was prideful to admit that i
- 00:43:38.097 --> 00:43:44.036
- Was beautiful or to admit that i've done a great job, and i
- 00:43:44.036 --> 00:43:47.573
- Missed the whole point, because that's false humility.
- 00:43:47.573 --> 00:43:50.176
- Because if we are truly made in the image of god, then first of
- 00:43:50.176 --> 00:43:53.312
- All, you know, you're loved by him, but he's already created
- 00:43:53.312 --> 00:43:57.249
- You to be beautiful, he's already created you to be smart,
- 00:43:57.249 --> 00:43:59.585
- He's already created you with everything that you'll need.
- 00:43:59.585 --> 00:44:01.987
- Self-love is agreeing with what god already speaks about you.
- 00:44:01.987 --> 00:44:05.191
- And speaking over yourself, i am loved by god, i am smart, i am
- 00:44:05.191 --> 00:44:11.130
- More than able to accomplish what he's asked me to do, i can
- 00:44:11.130 --> 00:44:13.966
- Do exceedingly abundantly above what he's asked or thought, all
- 00:44:13.966 --> 00:44:17.570
- Of--declaring the word of god over you and then starting to
- 00:44:17.570 --> 00:44:20.873
- Believe it because you start changing your brain cells, i
- 00:44:20.873 --> 00:44:22.808
- Think that's self-love, and loving yourself is so important,
- 00:44:22.808 --> 00:44:26.846
- Because the bible says love one another, right?
- 00:44:26.846 --> 00:44:29.648
- But you can't love one another until you love yourself.
- 00:44:29.648 --> 00:44:33.185
- Laurie: remember the movie, "the lion king," when little simba
- 00:44:33.185 --> 00:44:37.556
- Looks into the water, and his father steps over him, and he
- 00:44:37.556 --> 00:44:40.926
- Sees his daddy's face, you know?
- 00:44:40.926 --> 00:44:43.996
- I love that part.
- 00:44:43.996 --> 00:44:45.331
- Blynda: but it is true, when we look into a reflection, and if
- 00:44:45.331 --> 00:44:49.368
- We can get to a point where when we look in the reflection we
- 00:44:49.368 --> 00:44:52.505
- Reflect our father's likeness.
- 00:44:52.505 --> 00:44:54.340
- Laurie: and you breezed over the part is that if we see ourselves
- 00:44:54.340 --> 00:44:57.710
- The way god sees us, then seeing others, god helps us see others
- 00:44:57.710 --> 00:45:04.583
- The way god sees them.
- 00:45:04.583 --> 00:45:05.985
- Now, how many times have you prayed, god, let me see my
- 00:45:05.985 --> 00:45:08.254
- Husband the way that you see him right now and help me to catch a
- 00:45:08.254 --> 00:45:12.525
- Vision of that, i need a vision of what you see?
- 00:45:12.525 --> 00:45:15.895
- With your kid, with your husband, with your friends, with
- 00:45:15.895 --> 00:45:19.064
- Your family, with your parents, you know, your co-workers.
- 00:45:19.064 --> 00:45:23.669
- Let me see them the way that god sees them, and they're loved
- 00:45:23.669 --> 00:45:28.040
- Just as much as i am, right?
- 00:45:28.040 --> 00:45:30.609
- It's you are fearfully and wonderfully made, so i'm gonna
- 00:45:30.609 --> 00:45:33.946
- Respect you, because you are a child of god.
- 00:45:33.946 --> 00:45:37.149
- You're made in his image and in his likeness.
- 00:45:37.149 --> 00:45:40.319
- And it doesn't stop when i get in the car, right?
- 00:45:40.319 --> 00:45:44.256
- It doesn't stop when you get to a counter with an irritating
- 00:45:44.256 --> 00:45:47.059
- Person behind it.
- 00:45:47.059 --> 00:45:48.427
- They are loved by god, made in the image of god, and so that's
- 00:45:48.427 --> 00:45:52.431
- That daily, that's that minute-by-minute walk of faith
- 00:45:52.431 --> 00:45:58.037
- And what we do as christians.
- 00:45:58.037 --> 00:46:00.339
- Donna: to your point, laurie, we need to--that's a practice.
- 00:46:00.339 --> 00:46:04.109
- Can i see everybody carrying the image of god?
- 00:46:04.109 --> 00:46:07.746
- Jenni: to see others through god's eyes, i think i really had
- 00:46:07.746 --> 00:46:10.816
- To experience some of my most devastating crisis moments.
- 00:46:10.816 --> 00:46:15.120
- I didn't avoid them, i kind of leaned in, not on purpose at
- 00:46:15.120 --> 00:46:18.257
- First, but i eventually, out of obedience, leaned in and
- 00:46:18.257 --> 00:46:21.994
- Experienced god's forgiveness, god's love toward me, and
- 00:46:21.994 --> 00:46:25.464
- Others' love towards me, and it's that grace that ended up
- 00:46:25.464 --> 00:46:30.302
- Feeling so amazing so that now i can actually replicate it.
- 00:46:30.302 --> 00:46:34.039
- And so for those of you out there that are trying to avoid
- 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.742
- It, maybe just allow it to happen, because i think down the
- 00:46:36.742 --> 00:46:40.012
- Road, you're just actually gonna respond better to others that
- 00:46:40.012 --> 00:46:43.182
- Might need you when they need you most.
- 00:46:43.182 --> 00:46:46.018
- Blynda: i'm gonna tell a story about my son.
- 00:46:46.018 --> 00:46:47.953
- So, we just had an experience where my son just graduated from
- 00:46:47.953 --> 00:46:51.357
- College and--with an engineering degree.
- 00:46:51.357 --> 00:46:53.292
- Sheila: yay!
- 00:46:53.292 --> 00:46:54.727
- Blynda: i know, we're so proud of him.
- 00:46:54.727 --> 00:46:56.128
- In 3 1/2 years, engineering degrees--
- 00:46:56.128 --> 00:46:57.663
- Donna: wow.
- 00:46:57.663 --> 00:46:59.298
- Blynda: i know, very, very proud of him.
- 00:46:59.298 --> 00:47:00.866
- Laurie: you worked hard for that.
- 00:47:00.866 --> 00:47:02.268
- Blynda: i worked really hard for that.
- 00:47:02.268 --> 00:47:03.736
- Laurie: yes, you did.
- 00:47:03.736 --> 00:47:05.070
- Donna: high five, well done, mama.
- 00:47:05.070 --> 00:47:06.672
- Blynda: thank you, thank you.
- 00:47:06.672 --> 00:47:08.173
- Off the payroll is really nice too.
- 00:47:08.173 --> 00:47:10.009
- But so he was interviewing, he kind of got connected with
- 00:47:10.009 --> 00:47:12.111
- Someone, and they were interviewing.
- 00:47:12.111 --> 00:47:14.113
- They had 286 applicants for this job, and my son had made it
- 00:47:14.113 --> 00:47:19.985
- First interview, second, third, fourth all the way to his sixth
- 00:47:19.985 --> 00:47:22.988
- Interview, and around the fifth interview, the guy that had been
- 00:47:22.988 --> 00:47:26.358
- Interviewing him said, "you know, harrison, i need you to
- 00:47:26.358 --> 00:47:28.694
- Know, every single applicant is more experienced than you, but
- 00:47:28.694 --> 00:47:33.666
- There's something about you that we can't teach.
- 00:47:33.666 --> 00:47:37.703
- You have a people skill, you have a kind of personality that
- 00:47:37.703 --> 00:47:44.376
- We can't teach, and so we want-- we're interested in giving you
- 00:47:44.376 --> 00:47:48.314
- This job, because we know that the skill, the experience level,
- 00:47:48.314 --> 00:47:51.951
- That's something we can teach you, and you do have the degree
- 00:47:51.951 --> 00:47:55.154
- Behind it, so we know that there's an aptitude for it, but
- 00:47:55.154 --> 00:47:59.558
- The thing that we can't teach is what we see in front of us."
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- They actually called him a unicorn, because he's a really
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- Vivacious, fun personality, super-social.
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- You don't always see that in the engineering world.
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- And so, anyway, but what it has done, you just saw after his
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- Sixth interview, he got offered the job.
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- He's now gainfully employed.
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- I mean, it's amazing.
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- Laurie: way to go, harrison.
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- Blynda: i mean, it really was such an amazing first
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- Experience, because i know that's not always everybody's,
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- But what it did as we watched him in these--this interview
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- Process just as my husband and i were observers, every time he
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- Went, and he got feedback.
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- Now, the thing to note is the people interviewing him, the
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- Main person interviewing him is a believer, like a very
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- Outspoken believer, and so i know that that's what he was
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- Seeing in harrison is this like-mindedness.
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- But what i saw in my son is somebody on the outside, not mom
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- Who always has cheered him on and said i think you're amazing,
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- But somebody on the outside that said i see potential in you, i
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- See something in you, and it's actually not anything you've
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- Done, because you actually haven't done anything.
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- You're the least qualified of almost all these people, but
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- There's something in you that i feel like i can bank on, and
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- I know--
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- Laurie: gave me chills.
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- Blynda: yes, he was seeing the spirit of god.
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- Isn't that--if we could all just really rest in god has banked
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- On us.
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- Laurie: who we are.
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- Blynda: just who we are, not what we've done.
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- Sheila: amazing.
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- Laurie: beautiful.
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- Sheila: it might be a good practice, girls, just for a
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- Little while every night just before we go to sleep, and we're
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- Scraping off our face, which is the minute i get home to really
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- Look at ourselves and say, "which girl does jesus love?"
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- Donna: i love that.
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- Sheila: this girl, this girl, because that's what's true.
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- Let's pray.
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- Lord, that is true, it's overwhelming, and it's so hard
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- For us in this broken, confusing, segmented culture to
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- See ourselves the way you see us.
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- So, lord, i ask that you would give us the wisdom to commit
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- Your word into our lives, because it says your word is a
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- Lamp to my feet and a light to my path, and a lamp will only
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- Show you the next step.
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- So, lord, help us to take the next step, even just to write
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- Down on our mirror i am loved, i am seen, i am saved, i'm
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- Redeemed, i'm forgiven, i am healed.
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- Help us, lord, to retrain our minds to the truth of who you
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- Say we are, because we are fearfully and wonderfully made
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- In jesus's name, amen.
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