Better Together

A Woman's Value - Episode 1081

August 4, 2025 | S7 E1081 | 52:34

Women have a special place in God's story! Our Heavenly Father has valued and included His daughters from the very beginning. Throughout Scripture, God uses family language to demonstrate His design for daughters and sons to work together in unity. | TBN Prayer Line: 714-731-1000

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Better Together | A Woman's Value - Episode 1081 | August 4, 2025

The scriptures are for me.
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The bible is for me.
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I'm in this story.
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Women are the period to earth's
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Creation, the mark of completion.
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So i am so excited to have this conversation with you guys.
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I just got home from israel, so i'm probably glowing--
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Yes. right now.
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Hello heart of the motherland glow.
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But i thought of you all and our conversation today just
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Focusing in on like a woman's value in scripture.
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And when i was in israel, i had the chance to see something
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That i've never seen in all of my years of taking teams there.
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And we were in jerusalem and in jerusalem,
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Mondays and thursdays are bar mitzvah or bat mitzvah days.
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And it's these celebrations where a young jewish boy at 13,
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Bar mitzvah, son of the commandment, or a bat mitzvah,
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Bat is daughter of the commandment.
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And in all of my years of going, i've seen so many bar
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Mitzvahs, these young jewish boys and their, their canopied
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And their families are marching with them to the western wall,
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Where he's going to stand there and take on the commandments
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For himself.
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So we're in jerusalem.
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It's a monday, and we're getting ready to go visit.
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We had just left the western wall, and i hear the drums, i
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Hear the celebrations, and i'm like, oh my goodness, it's
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Going to be a bar mitzvah.
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So i had the team.
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I was like, let's stand here and watch.
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And y'all, a girl came around the corner.
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That's awesome.
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And for the first time ever, i knew what happened, but i'd
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Never seen one.
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But it was a bat mitzvah, the daughter of the commandment.
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And it was the most beautiful thing.
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I just started crying, and i was just watching her precess
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To the western wall, knowing she's going to take on the
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Commandments, take on the scriptures for herself.
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Yeah. as a young jewish girl.
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And it just made me think of me, my life, my stories.
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It made me think of you all as i knew that we would have the
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Chance to be together today.
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So i just want to open up with the question. you know, what
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Started your relationship with the bible as a woman when you
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Started figuring out the scriptures are for me, the
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Bible is for me?
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I'm in this story.
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I have a good place in this story.
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Like, where did that start for you all?
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Yeah, well, first of all, let me just say i think it's a
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Sweet little god wink that he would allow that to happen
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Right before this.
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Yes.
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And i just don't think that's a coincidence at all.
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So i think that's pretty cool.
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I would say i start-- i grew up catholic and i grew up at
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Three, 4 or 5, seeing the altar boys, living their best lives,
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Doing all the things.
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And when i got of age, i remember my dad saying, hey,
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You're going to be an altar girl.
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And i was like, surprise!
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I've never seen that before.
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What's even happening?
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And so i actually started in this small little catholic
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Church in houston, texas, as a little girl.
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And i remember i was an altar girl, and i had my little robe
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On and just doing all the things.
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But i remember maybe fast forward six months, my dad was
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Like, surprise, you're doing the first reading in church.
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I was like, what are you even saying?
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What is happening?
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And it's really because my dad had had this prophetic message
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From his mother that i would be in ministry, which is crazy if
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You know anything about my story, because things got a
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Little wild there right around 13 through 21.
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Okay? but my dad just believed so strongly that the lord had a
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Call on my life and he wasn't going to let it sit dormant.
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And so i was a little girl, eight, nine, ten years old, in
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The catholic church as an altar girl, reading the first
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Reading, having adults stand for the word of god.
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And i didn't know it then, but god was just planting seeds in
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My heart for him.
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I just love that.
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Now, fast forward all these years.
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I don't even know how old i am at this point, but all these
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Years i can really just trace my whole faith back to my dad
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Saying, listen, you're called for this.
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Wow. and me walking into the fullness of that calling has
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Been beautiful.
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I love that it was your father.
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What was it about my dad?
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Yeah, i have a similar story in that it really was my dad.
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Yeah. when i think about that, my relationship with the word
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Started on road trips, asking my dad, who is a bishop in the
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Christian methodist episcopal church, and he's always been,
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You know, he still has his hebrew flashcards from
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Seminary, like, all right, he's in, he's in.
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And so we would go back and forth about, you know, the
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Details of scripture.
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And he would say things.
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And i think i've told you before, but in the new
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Testament, when it says in the wilderness, prepare ye the
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Way of the lord.
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He's like, well, we don't know if the quotation starts with in
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The wilderness or if it starts
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With prepare the way of the lord.
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Because there weren't there wasn't punctuation.
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And i realized, oh my gosh, that's fascinating.
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So i was very interested in hebrew and greek and
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The original languages
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As a 12 to 16 year old, just talking to my dad in the car.
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And then when i was finishing college and i said, lord, what
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Do you want me to do next?
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And he said, seminary.
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My actual first response to the lord was, well, that's what old
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Guys like my dad do.
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Yeah. yeah.
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And he was like, and that's what you do.
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And so then i went to seminary and that was me taking
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It on for myself. yeah.
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As myself and stepping into it completely and not just
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Conversing with my dad, but actually saying, i want to take
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This on for me.
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Like, i want to take that journey to the wall myself.
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Yeah, but it was through my dad.
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Yeah. an empowering dad.
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You know what i'm saying?
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Wow. that's so cool.
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You mentioned about being
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Encouraged also to go to seminary.
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Yeah. i had wanted to go and study scripture and my church
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Because they didn't believe that women should go to
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Seminary to study the bible-- wow.
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Would not sign a letter of
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Recommendation for for me to go.
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So very ironic.
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So i instead,
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When i finished undergrad, i just went straight on for the
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Phd, and i lived at that time in harrisburg, and it was a
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Two-hour train trip to philadelphia, the university of
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Pennsylvania, where i would take classes twice a week.
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And i remember one particular journey, 6 a.m,
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We're leaving on amtrak, and i'm reading my scripture.
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It was in first corinthians, and this was an english
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Translation that used the
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Generic male pronoun for everything.
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So a 1980s translation.
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And so it's he this, he that,
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He that as you're describing discipleship.
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And i just started to cry and i
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Said, lord, am i anywhere in here?
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Am i anywhere in here?
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Wow.
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And of course, the lord showed me, yes you are.
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And i was traveling to a class
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That was called feminism and christianity.
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This is in 1984.
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And so you had women that
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Called themselves post-christian.
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There were about 20 women in this class.
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I was the only evangelical, and i think there was one other who
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Was episcopal.
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They were very post-christian, and the class had been hurt.
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Different stories, but all of
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Them had been hurt by the church.
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And i remember thinking, oh jesus, i wish i could introduce
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Them to you, you know, because a church hurt is not the same
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As, you know, knowing who jesus is.
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Yeah. and i think that was the biggest thing for me because,
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Kristy, i mean, i've been in church since i was in utero,
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And i don't remember a time
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That i didn't love the word of god.
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I remember sitting as a kid with a kool-aid and the
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Flannelgraph boards and just,
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I love the stories.
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And part of it was our dad had left when i was five, and i was
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So desperate for a dad.
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And so there's something about the fatherhood of god
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I was really drawn to.
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But that same season of my life, when i was itty bitty,
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There was a lot of molestation and abuse in my backstory, and
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So i got having a dirty heart that needed my sin to be
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Cleansed, confused with
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I was just dirty.
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And so for, golly, for decades as a christ follower, i
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Not only felt dirty and damaged, the message i got over
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And over again from church is, i'm not in here and i'm
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Subjugated and i just need to
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Be grateful i'm at the kiddie table.
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I don't even expect to be at the main table.
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As grown women, we know misogyny is based on people
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In power structure.
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God is not a misogynist.
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The world can sometimes say to
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Us as women you don't have value.
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There may be some listening now, woman who is thinking to
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Herself, but i really don't have value.
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And i would say that our lord jesus himself was born of a
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Woman, that god, in the most important
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Event in all of history, the salvation of humankind
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Included a woman. don't ever undervalue
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Yourself before god.
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God deeply loves you and all that
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You are, not what you do, but just who you are.
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You are beloved of god.
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I was thinking it's going to be interesting this week because
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There's so much to unpack.
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Yeah.
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And i know that our hearts collectively are there's a
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Massive difference between
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Being enraged and being empowered.
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Yes.
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And when you see how much god loves his daughters as much as
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His sons from the very beginning, it should encourage
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And empower us.
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But i had to unlearn a lot of theology because even the first
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Seminary i went to
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I had one professor,
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Great professor.
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I really enjoyed this professor.
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But he said, lisa, as a woman,
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You should not in any way teach in a coed setting
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Because even if you taught little kids in a sunday school
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Class with your husband, if he was sick one day and had the
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Flu and you came in and taught the class because your husband
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Was out with the flu, with five year old boys, you would be
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Tacitly showing female dominance.
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And the bible is against that.
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And even as a seminary student, i thought, oh, uh-oh.
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For me, there wasn't an epiphany of, i get to do this.
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Yeah, i do remember going to a camp when i was a senior
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In high school.
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About a thousand women, north carolina and a woman walked up.
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It was an all girls camp.
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Rebecca manley pippert, she had written a book called out of
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The salt shaker into the world, work for navigators.
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I can remember like it was yesterday
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Her opening mark's gospel and teaching on the woman with the
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Issue of blood.
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And i remember just going-- wow.
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Women get to
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Open the bible and tell stories about jesus?
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But what i thought was, i'll get a normal job because i
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Can't do that unless i'm a pastor's wife.
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And i was terrible at piano
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Lessons, and i don't have great domestic--
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Couldn't back them up.
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Yeah, i can't.
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You couldn't back them up? yeah.
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Yeah. and so, so i thought-- yeah, yeah.
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I thought because i can't carry a tune in a bucket, i can't
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Play the piano and i can't cross stitch,
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So i can't be a pastor's wife.
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And that's the only mode i see for vocational ministry.
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So i'll go ahead and get a double major in undergrad and
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I'll have a regular job.
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But maybe i could be like her on the weekends or at women's
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Summer camps and teach the bible.
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So for me, it's been a very, very, very long journey.
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And it's a 61 year old christ follower,
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The things that he has so graciously unraveled for me
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That i sincerely had tangled even as a 40 year old, very
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Serious christ follower has
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Been nothing short of miraculous.
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It's incredible.
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Yeah, i think about for me, the
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Origin of it would have been my father.
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I am a visual learner.
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I don't learn by what i hear.
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I hate talking on the phone because if i can't see you, the
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Conversation's not real.
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Like, it's kind of not happening.
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And i'm an embodied learner.
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I'm very sensory, feeling it, touching it.
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And i remember being little, and my father would read
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Stories in the bible to me.
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Then he would flip to the map in the back and
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And i just remember being little and thinking, these
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Stories are true because maps show you real places.
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That's right, that's right.
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You know, and just making that connection.
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And it was my father who was the first one that said to me
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When i was little,
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You'll go to israel one day.
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And my father passed away at 64, and he never had the
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Chance to go.
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My mom is now 89.
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And you were young.
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Your parents were older.
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Hadn't they had infertility for a long time?
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Oh, 18 years.
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Yeah. my parents were married for 18 years.
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Never used birth control a day of their marriage.
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They wanted a bunch of kids.
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Often joke they got ten and one with me, all of them in one.
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But my mom woke up at 38, pregnant with me.
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My dad was 42.
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And you know, that's a little bit of my origin story.
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But i just think those times with my dad, one, it was this
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The bible is true.
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The bible is the best and
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Truest story that's ever been told.
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It's something about the map, and connecting it to places
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Just meant so much to me.
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And i just had a father that was like, you're in this story.
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Our male viewers can encourage the women and in their lives
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And whether they be wives, daughters, sisters, um, etc.,
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They can encourage them by just seeing them and by
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Allowing their perspective to be shaped by the bible and what
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The bible actually says and not what culture says.
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And, you know, that's a little hard because sometimes culture
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Tells us what the bible says.
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But then you have to study the word for yourself, and you kind
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Of have to let the holy spirit lead you
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And seeing someone that it would be hard to see otherwise,
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Right. so you have to be led by the holy spirit ultimately.
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But encouraging, seeing the women in your life, and letting
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Them know that they are capable of all the things god has
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Given them to do.
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You know, we're new testament christians, but we're whole
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Counsel of god jesus followers.
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Yeah. you know, i'm always saying old testament, you know,
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You just can't start in matthew.
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You know, so if we if we're to go back truly to the genesis,
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To the beginning,
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You know, i just think about when we're talking about the
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Value of woman and what the bible has to say about that.
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When you guys think about genesis one and two, eden,
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Creation, garden of eden, all of that woman's place in that
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Story, you know, i just think about, like, shalom is the
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Mood of eden. yeah.
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Like eden feels,
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Felt like shalom.
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Like everything just worked.
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Harmony. just everything was
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The way it was meant to be, you know?
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And then you go read revelation 21 and 22 and you're like, oh,
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I've felt this before.
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You know, it's like the bible, the first two chapters and the
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Last two chapters and a bunch of stuff gets messed up and
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Being redeemed in between.
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But how would you guys just say, like, the beginning of the
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Story of the bible and woman's place in it has just helped
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Shape like that sense for you?
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Yeah. i remember reading captivating by john eldredge
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And the line that just stuck with me because my poor little
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Memory is just but a mist that at this point.
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But the line that has always stuck with me is that women are
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The period to earth's creation.
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The final breaststroke.
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And it's not this afterthought sentiment.
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It is--
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It literally would not have been complete without us.
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The mark of completion, the longing, the being that was
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Longed for so that there would be this beautiful, perfect
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Unity between man and woman.
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And i have immense sorrow that that was broken in the throes
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Of sin and the curse.
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Yeah. and it's interesting because, you know, we know that
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Genesis isn't in this chronological order, right?
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It's not told as the story that's happening, but is, you
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Know, this living, breathing
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Reality that we all get to digest.
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And i just think, like, we keep missing.
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Like the intent.
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The intent that there was supposed to be man and woman in
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Perfect harmony and unity.
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That it would not have been complete.
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Our story, the kingdom would
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Not have been complete without both.
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We really do need.
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To fully understand our identity in christ, so that we
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Are able to fully walk into who he's called us
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To be because the world
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Is quite literally designed to send us messages contrary
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To who god says. we are and so if we're
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Not rooted in our word, if we're not having
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Daily conversations with
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The lord about who we are, that we are daughters, we are heirs,
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We have dominion, then we can get swallowed up in what the
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World says, and it can distract us from everything that god
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Has for us.
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So get in your word.
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Know who's and who you are so that when life throws all the
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Ratchetness towards your your way, your story, your life, you
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Know you have a foundation.
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So tiffy sent in a question, and
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Hey, tiffy.
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And here we go,
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Gal. okay, kristy, you talk about the meaning of
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Ezer kenegdo. yes, i do.
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How does this apply to me as a single woman?
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What if i have not found the man i am suitable for?
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Tiffy, this is a great question.
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And it gets at the heart of something. when we see this
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Helper suitable in genesis chapter two, verse 18, we
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Directly and specifically see
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It in reference to the man adama.
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We call him adam, but woman is an ezer kenegdo everywhere.
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What i like to say is each and every woman is an ezer kenegdo
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Everywhere with everybody all the time.
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So we are that helper, giving aid and strength to people in a
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Way that they can't do for themselves.
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And then the kenegdo part, the suitable part where also
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Face to face with people.
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There's a man by the name of
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Dan allender and he talks about that.
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Isn't it interesting that god created us so that we cannot
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See our own face?
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It takes a community to see our
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Faces and to tell us what they see.
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And what i think about you is a single person in this world.
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I'm single myself.
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We are still ezer kendegdos
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To everyone in our lives.
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There's this kingdom invitation for us to help, aid in strength,
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For us to be side by side and face to face with the people
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In our lives,
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Seeing their faces and telling them what we see.
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So take heart.
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You lack nothing.
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You are an ezer kenegdo with
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Everybody everywhere, all the time.
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Let's go try to be the best
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Ezer kenegdos that we can be.
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Our better together community is built on love and
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Friendship, and we would love for you to join us.
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Yeah. follow us on social media to make friends with women
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All over the world.
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When you go
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Imago dei is not hierarchical.
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No, but they came from a culture where they were slaves
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And women were subjugated even in slavery.
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So it's like god goes, no, let me, let me reframe it.
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You're family.
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Let me reframe it.
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Let me set you face to face, ezer kenegdo,
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So it's not subjugated.
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I was reading recently how not only
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Patriarchy, but social hierarchy came with the fall
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Because you did not have to have a hierarchical system
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Prior to the fall of that. love you said genesis
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One and two and then the end of the book.
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Those are, we only have four chapters that are sans sin.
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The rest of it is messed up.
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That's not how god planned it.
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And so i think when you go all the way back to the beginning,
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You go, oh well,
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We don't have a unibrowed god waiting to smack us
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Over the head with a bible, nor do
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We have a god who's a misogynist.
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From the very beginning, he set his daughters in the same value
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As he did his sons.
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It's us who've perverted it.
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I was going to say, and in that my relationship with genesis
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1:2 has been a journey, because as a product of this
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Society, that would tell us this is not face to face,
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Every society has power dynamics and the society
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In which we live.
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And for centuries at this point, they have similarly been
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Led by men and whoever is in power.
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And that's not necessarily always a malicious or beat-you-
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Over-the-head kind of power.
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But it is,
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You look at who's been in
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Charge, who's been creating the stories,
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From whose perspective have we been hearing?
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And that colors how we see ourselves.
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And so my relationship has been undoing what society has told
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Me, so that i can actually just take in what the word says, the
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Way the lord says it and what he says about me, as opposed to
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Supplanting what society that has power dynamics that include
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Insecurities and sometimes malice, have told me, you know.
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It's and i am definitely this way.
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I get frightened of difference.
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So creating male and female, they're different.
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I want to put them in an order
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And preferably me as the superior.
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That's right. that's right.
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That'd be great. yeah.
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But that's not at all when you were talking about eden at the
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Beginning in shalom,
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Difference existing for the betterment of each other.
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When? when adam sees the woman, he's like, ah, this is bone of
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My bone, flesh of my flesh.
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Like, now i have someone to hang out with
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As much fun as the giraffes and the zebras.
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It's like, so much fun naming them.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But they're not someone i can connect with, you know?
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And so we're different enough to make it fun?
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Yes. but we're similar in the ways that really matter.
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We're in the image and likeness of god.
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Oh, why does it matter that men and women are different?
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I mean, i think about harmony.
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You think about music.
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And when different notes are played together in a way that
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Creates harmony, harmony creates more beautiful music
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Than any singular note can.
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So it's not just that we're different.
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It's the fact that we're different coming together.
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There's a harmony and a unity.
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I say it all the time.
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The kingdom of god is full of men and women, fully alive,
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Fully awake.
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Brothers and sisters in christ,
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Serving this world shoulder to shoulder.
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One of the first jobs i had in vocational ministry.
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I had a very well intentioned male boss who said, lisa,
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Because man is the glory of god and woman is the glory of man,
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God would be mad at me if i
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Paid you as much as your male counterpart.
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Why do you call that well intentioned?
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Uh, because i think that's what
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He had been taught in scripture.
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He was doing his best to come away from the bible with a
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Plain reading of the text and
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What paul says in first corinthians.
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But i think that's where even scripture, if you don't go,
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What? because i am a bible banger.
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I believe in the authority, that these words are
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Theopneustos, god-breathed them.
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So i don't play with scripture, but if you don't get the--
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Sociohistorical context of scripture and you just do this,
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Well, we just instacart scripture.
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We take out the pieces we like and slap it over the philosophy
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We like and go
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That's biblically sound.
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And i'm like, well, is it really?
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I think when you're with people who maybe don't know you enough
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To love you well, or people who possibly have even marginalized
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You to walk into those environments with kindness,
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Compassion, and humility,
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To recognize that every every other human we have the
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Privilege of rubbing shoulders with, even those who maybe have
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A few rough edges,
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They're imago dei.
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They bear god's thumbprint, and that means they're inherently
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Worthy of respect, whether they respect you or not.
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I think if we walk with humility, um, then we can walk
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Well in places even where we're not wanted.
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Again, don't lean into abuse.
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But for us to be salt and light in places that need a little
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Spice and a little warmth.
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And that's our calling
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As christ followers.
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I do think there's grace for the differentiation of
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Wickedness and weakness.
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Yes. yeah.
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That's good. that's good.
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And we have to pay close attention to our weaknesses and
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Where they're rooted out of.
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Yeah. and some of our weakness when it comes to this
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Conversation, specifically for men that are dwelling in this
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Power structure that oppresses
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Women comes from a place of wickedness.
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And i only say that because, again, we go back to genesis.
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This is not god's design.
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And if there was a pretty smart, i don't want to call
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Evil smart, but it's intelligent evil, it would be
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To dis unify men and women.
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Amen.
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Because look at all it would lead to.
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It would lead to doubt.
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It would lead to the word of god not being spread as quickly
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As possible.
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Like, this is a-- i get really
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Nervous about making hard statements.
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This ideology around the oppression of women in the
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Church is a wicked act of the enemy.
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To go--
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I've been studying for five years at a doctoral level, and
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I am in kindergarten.
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And so some of the stuff to unpack
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You do have people who have decades of church
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Experience, and they have been taught from a plain reading
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Of the text,
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Well, paul says this.
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Paul says this.
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I know later on this week we'll get into the text, that it is
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Hard if you don't have quite a bit of sound exegesis,
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You have people who go, yeah, but the bible says, and i'm
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Like, okay, let me--
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That's what it looks like
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It says, but let's unpack the original language and
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Talk about context.
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So that's where i think you'll have some people, even maybe at
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The beginning of the week, who go, wait a minute, are these
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Women speaking heresy?
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Is that in the bible?
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And so some of what we're talking about, it's not that
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It's everybody can understand, but it definitely takes some
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Untangling that can be a bit complicated when you're talking
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About biblical text.
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I like that you juxtaposed weakness and wickedness.
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Yeah, because i think in so many facets of life, we are
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Going from weakness to strengt in the lord, or we
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Choose not to be sanctified in that place, and we then
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Perpetuate wickedness.
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And so my question about whether or not he's well
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Intentioned is i can get weakness. at some point, i
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Believe the lord brings us to a place where we decide to be
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Sanctified or to continue to perpetuate weakness, because
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That's when i think this structure
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Has a tendency to breed the wickedness, because it's too
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Hard to face the emotion that,
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Oh my gosh, i perpetuated it too.
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And i feel that as a woman, i feel that as a black woman, in
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The sense that i know that racism is about lies.
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It's not about hatred.
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It's about believing wrong things about groups of people.
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Thus, i can perpetuate racism against black people when i
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Decide my hair is not good enough or i don't teach my
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Children, or i pass these
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Weaknesses on to onto my children.
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And there's a moment when the lord invites me in every
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Category, especially those considering marginalization,
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Like, are you going to continue to put this forth, or are you
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Going to let me sanctify this for you?
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And i believe we all get to that decision at some point.
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The gist of what misogyny is, is thinking of women as
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Less than men.
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For whatever reason it would be.
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Um, it would be just maybe seeing a gender on a scale
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Where a male gender would be, um, superlative on that scale
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And female would be less than.
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And misogyny came with a fall.
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Um, whether it's gender or ethnicity or socioeconomic
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Background or accent, or whether you are a keto person
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Or you love to carbo load, um, the enemy has always been
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Trying to divide the unity that
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God created, uh, for us to enjoy.
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Our god exists in perfect community.
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Saint augustine, an old dead theologian, says only the
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Christian god exists in a perfect community unto himself,
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God the father, god the son, god the holy spirit.
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And so we are hard wired for real relationship, for unity
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Within the body of christ.
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That's not a metaphor.
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We are a family.
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And so anything that causes separation between imago dei,
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Between image bearers of god, again, whether that's gender or
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Ethnicity, anything that puts difference between us, that was
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Authored by the enemy of our soul, the father of lies.
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He's always whispering you don't fit.
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And so anything he can do to kind of push us to the edge,
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Uh, of the family that god has called us into, he'll do it
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And misogyny is
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Just one of those, uh, one of those tools he uses to try to
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Rob, steal, kill and destroy from us.
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You've been talking a lot, lisa, about the plain meaning
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Of the text.
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And i think we all agree that's really what we're after.
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But when we say plain meaning what we,
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I think what we're trying to say is that i want to
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Understand what the author wanted me to know.
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That's right.
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Which isn't always the quote unquote literal.
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And we bring our ideology.
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So just recently in looking at genesis one, two and three, i
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Came across john calvin, superior
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Scholar, incredible mind,
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Presumably very faithful christian.
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But when he comes to genesis three and we read that the
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Serpent is talking to eve, and adam is also right there--
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Right next to her.
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She just hands him, he says that that phrase in the bible,
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Which he knew it in latin and greek and hebrew,
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Right. so he was he was very good with the languages.
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He said the with her could not
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Mean standing right next to her.
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The plain and literal meaning.
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It had to be like with her, like in going into her, like
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In, you know, we've had marital relations
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Because-- i didn't know that's how
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Calvin-- oh my.
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Because i know, because if he had been actually standing
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There, he would have said no to the serpent and stopped it.
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So what does that tell you?
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It tells you that he really believed in the aristotelian
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View that man is superior in all ways and is the normative.
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Yes, right.
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For what human is.
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And therefore he could not see that adam was right there.
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But if he had seen that adam was right there, then it allows
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Him to learn.
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Then it allows him to say, oh, i've got to reframe things.
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I'm like, how did he explain that when the lord came to
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Both of them?
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Because you come to god's word with such ingrained prejudice.
00:32:45.721 --> 00:32:49.825
Yes. every single one.
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Of hermeneutics skewed by your life experience.
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And let me tell you the shame i carried for so many decades.
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I remember telling, linda, i may have said this to you when you
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First became a mentor.
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I so want to be free here because i had spent so many
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Years going, i must be bad.
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Mhm.
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Because it sure seems like the bible says i'm inferior and i
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Love the bible because i love jesus.
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And you can, you cannot even see the blinders you're wearing
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After a while.
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That's right.
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So doctor, there's a question that i
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Really want you to answer for us.
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With all of your study and all that you have to bring.
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But is the fall of humanity all eve's fault?
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No. are we done here?
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No. we got a lot to unpack on that one.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Can i read a verse for you, please?
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In second corinthians 11, verse three,
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Paul writes this, but i am afraid that just as eve was
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Deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow
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Be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to christ.
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Yeah. so it's very
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Clear in the biblical text that eve is deceived, and twice that
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Is mentioned by paul in his letters to the corinthians.
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It's to both men and women.
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And he's pointing out that just as our first mother, eve, was
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Deceived, so too to any of us can be deceived.
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So being deceived is not a unique characteristic or of
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Women, but it's actually a human possibility that we must
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Be on guard against because we do have an enemy, as paul
00:34:43.105 --> 00:34:47.743
Mentions there, someone who wants us to be deceived and not
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Believe in the goodness and truth of god.
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Mhm. you know, i.
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Think about back to the garden of eden,
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I was just with a friend, um, at an episcopalian service and
00:34:57.319 --> 00:35:01.723
The prayer of confession that they pray and there's a line in
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It about essentially forgive us for what we have done, and
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Forgive us for the good we have not done.
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Oh, yes.
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I think about what we would
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Call maybe that sin of omission.
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Yes. and i think about adam in the garden.
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Yes. the serpent's handing the fruit to eve.
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She's the one-- that adam is right there.
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He is right there.
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And in that passivity,
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That was some good.
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He was not doing right, you know.
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And so he's he's a part of it.
00:35:31.386 --> 00:35:33.455
And i wonder too, if we're talking about just what the
00:35:33.455 --> 00:35:35.657
Bible says, because so often paul gets quoted, i think it's
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Interesting in romans five verse 12, paul writes this,
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Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man and
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Death through sin, and in this way death came to all people,
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Because all sin.
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And then again later in chapter
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Five and verse 19, paul writes this,
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For just as through the disobedience of the one man,
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Many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the
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One man, the many will be made righteous.
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That's right.
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And there paul is drawing a beautiful picture of redemption
00:36:14.429 --> 00:36:18.667
Where jesus is
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You could say that--
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And it's in scripture, the second adam, where he does for
00:36:22.771 --> 00:36:28.410
Us what adam and eve could not or chose not to do.
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I'll put it that way.
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Chose not to do.
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And so the sin that happens is
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One that affects both men and women.
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And the possibility to be
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Deceived affects both men and women.
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So we can't say it's all eve's
00:36:48.497 --> 00:36:50.432
Fault any more than we could say
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It's all adam's fault. that's right.
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It's both. that's right.
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And jesus redeems both. as your text
00:36:55.771 --> 00:36:59.408
So beautifully stated. yes, yes.
00:36:59.408 --> 00:37:02.044
I think about one of my favorite theologians.
00:37:02.044 --> 00:37:04.513
His name is cornelius plantinga jr.
00:37:04.513 --> 00:37:06.982
And he wrote a book called a breviary of sin, which sounds
00:37:06.982 --> 00:37:09.584
Like an awful book, but it's amazing.
00:37:09.584 --> 00:37:11.987
And in it, he provides this definition where he talks about
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Sin is both transgressing a
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Line and the failure to reach a line.
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And that's what i think of in adam and eve, in that moment in
00:37:22.064 --> 00:37:25.033
The garden, eve transgresses.
00:37:25.033 --> 00:37:27.402
She reaches for the fruit.
00:37:27.402 --> 00:37:28.770
Adult doesn't come to the line.
00:37:28.770 --> 00:37:31.006
Yeah. you know, again, that passivity.
00:37:31.006 --> 00:37:32.641
But it makes me think about
00:37:32.641 --> 00:37:34.109
What was god's response to them both.
00:37:34.109 --> 00:37:37.412
And we know that the moment they eat of the fruit, their
00:37:37.412 --> 00:37:40.615
Eyes are opened.
00:37:40.615 --> 00:37:41.917
They experience shame for the first time and they are hiding
00:37:41.917 --> 00:37:45.454
In the garden.
00:37:45.454 --> 00:37:46.688
And i love how the bible talks about here comes the lord
00:37:46.688 --> 00:37:49.725
Walking through the garden in the cool of the day and he
00:37:49.725 --> 00:37:52.394
Calls out, adam, where are you?
00:37:52.394 --> 00:37:55.364
And i just love that.
00:37:55.364 --> 00:37:56.565
That god's first response to the emergency of sin, as
00:37:56.565 --> 00:38:00.602
Cornelius plantinga junior talks about it, was to
00:38:00.602 --> 00:38:03.572
Start the repair.
00:38:03.572 --> 00:38:05.140
Where are you?
00:38:05.140 --> 00:38:06.241
To me there's a sense of,
00:38:06.241 --> 00:38:08.310
I don't want to say hopeless, but like,
00:38:08.310 --> 00:38:10.612
I'm there with them.
00:38:10.612 --> 00:38:11.747
Yeah. you know, i can relate.
00:38:11.747 --> 00:38:12.981
That's probably the word to say. i can relate.
00:38:12.981 --> 00:38:15.283
As we get to jesus's story and then, as paul continues to
00:38:15.283 --> 00:38:19.721
Describe it, like in romans and to the corinthians, he talks
00:38:19.721 --> 00:38:23.592
About a new creation, right?
00:38:23.592 --> 00:38:26.762
So, yes, in eden, adam and eve sinned.
00:38:26.762 --> 00:38:32.033
There was the fall.
00:38:32.033 --> 00:38:33.268
But there is a new heavens and
00:38:33.268 --> 00:38:35.103
A new earth that is waiting for us.
00:38:35.103 --> 00:38:38.573
Those of us who are in christ, and we will receive from christ
00:38:38.573 --> 00:38:42.544
A raised and glorified body, to be able to live in this new
00:38:42.544 --> 00:38:48.016
Heavens and new earth.
00:38:48.016 --> 00:38:49.418
Yeah, it's like whatever broke the world.
00:38:49.418 --> 00:38:51.052
There's a profound renewal and
00:38:51.052 --> 00:38:52.654
Restoration that is taking place.
00:38:52.654 --> 00:38:54.756
Jesus right now is making all things new.
00:38:54.756 --> 00:38:58.093
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When we get to heaven, gosh, we're all going to be wrong
00:39:11.775 --> 00:39:13.343
About something, right?
00:39:13.343 --> 00:39:14.844
So if we could-- there's so many things i'd be like, oh, okay, i
00:39:14.844 --> 00:39:18.615
Didn't see that one.
00:39:18.615 --> 00:39:20.250
And it's like, if we are to live heavenward, then we should
00:39:20.250 --> 00:39:24.020
Have that same posture.
00:39:24.020 --> 00:39:25.088
Now i can be wrong.
00:39:25.088 --> 00:39:28.091
I thought, boy, even thinking i want to live on the offense,
00:39:28.091 --> 00:39:32.028
But i don't want to live offended.
00:39:32.028 --> 00:39:34.030
Mhm. because times have changed.
00:39:34.030 --> 00:39:37.233
I'm 61. yeah.
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And so what women that i get to still that are, that are
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Little sisters in the faith,
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So some of the things that god is in his mercy unraveled even
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In, in my time here on earth, i go, oh praise god, that's no
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Longer a massive hurdle.
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You know, there is some theology that is at least
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Allowed for the option to go,
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Oh, that's not quite as binary as it sounds
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When paul paul wrote that, but i go, i have a choice
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Every day to live
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Shaped like jesus and to bring humility to the table or to
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Live offended because of where i've been wounded by some well
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Intentioned and some wicked, and i don't want them to take
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Me off the wall.
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I want to go,
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Let me do what god's called me to do, and where there's a
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Place for me say i'm sorry, i was ungodly.
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Then i come off the wall and i repent.
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But otherwise i go,
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I'm just going to keep running in my lane and try to go.
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Y'all come over here.
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The water is clear. yeah.
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You know, something that i've just been so encouraged to try
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To live by,
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If genesis one and two was shalom and everything worked
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In its sufficiency,
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Genesis three is the first time in the biblical story that we
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See scarcity.
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That's it.
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It's like scarcity is a post-genesis one and two.
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And i often think in my life, kristy, you're not an orphan.
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You're not fatherless.
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You're being invited to live from a place of sufficiency.
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Shalom. not scarcity.
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That's right.
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Because scarcity threatens us all.
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Because if there's only so much right now, i'm fighting you.
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That's right.
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Right. rather than if there's enough,
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Right, every sufficiency
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And shalom. yeah.
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And that has been a grid for me the last several years.
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Just in making decisions as
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Kristy, are you making a decision anchored in your
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Daughtership and shalom?
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Or are you making this decision as if you are an orphan living
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In scarcity?
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Yes. and that's good.
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Now apply that to the women--
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Right. issue.
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And i don't know, sometimes for me, i just want to be agency of
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Shalom in the world.
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I want people, when they're in my presence to feel the reality
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That in the kingdom of god, there's enough.
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That's so good. there's enough for me.
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There's enough for you.
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I don't have to fight you for something and it--
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Or resent what you have.
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Yes. and that's just been like a framing for me.
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That's so good.
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That's helped me because when i live like an orphan, it's
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Saying much more about what i'm thinking about the father than
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What i'm thinking about you in that moment.
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Do you see what i'm saying?
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And grant enough.
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Right. yeah.
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So that those have just been like--
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Because i'm like, i want to be a genesis one and two.
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Jesus is re edening the world. yes.
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And i want to be a part of that.
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I want to partner with him in that.
00:42:40.383 --> 00:42:42.218
You know, i don't want to be a genesis three--
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Yeah. yeah.
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Oriented female follower of jesus.
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Yes. you know.
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Yeah.
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I also just want to highlight,
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I don't even know how to say this, but i'm going to try.
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Go.
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I want to highlight the fact that culturally,
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There's some nuances to this conversation, too.
00:43:00.336 --> 00:43:03.072
Sure. you know, we both started by, you know, saying our our
00:43:03.072 --> 00:43:05.375
Dads were like, empowering us, like the black church was ready
00:43:05.375 --> 00:43:08.745
To call somebody a prophetess or a deaconess or a pastor,
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Someone, you know, like--
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So many. so so many.
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Okay. and so i'm always so curious,
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And i try my best to hold an open posture to this
00:43:16.919 --> 00:43:19.055
Conversation, because there's a level of sympathy that i have
00:43:19.055 --> 00:43:22.058
To have because my experience wasn't the same.
00:43:22.058 --> 00:43:25.728
Right. and i think i just want to thank you, doctor lynn and
00:43:25.728 --> 00:43:29.299
You, lisa, and i'm sure this is a part of your story as well
00:43:29.299 --> 00:43:32.835
For also being okay with with believing wrong about yourself.
00:43:32.835 --> 00:43:38.041
Yeah, right.
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Like believing that theology actually did discount you
00:43:39.242 --> 00:43:42.378
Because of what you were taught and told and being willing to
00:43:42.378 --> 00:43:45.248
Say, actually, this is wrong, and i'm going to reframe my
00:43:45.248 --> 00:43:49.419
Pain to a place of freedom and release so that other women can
00:43:49.419 --> 00:43:54.657
Experience something else.
00:43:54.657 --> 00:43:56.225
Oh, yeah.
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And that takes a level of
00:43:56.893 --> 00:43:57.994
Humility to say i was taught wrong.
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I believed wrong.
00:44:00.963 --> 00:44:02.598
I was in pain about something
00:44:02.598 --> 00:44:03.833
That was untrue, about the lord.
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And and i'm going to admit that and freely walk in the healing
00:44:06.069 --> 00:44:09.806
That i've had to do and the untangling and the and
00:44:09.806 --> 00:44:11.908
Unraveling so that other women won't have to heal a pain.
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That's false.
00:44:16.245 --> 00:44:17.480
I was about to say that's interesting because my dad, our
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.717
Dads seem similar in this, but i then attached myself to
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Settings where that was put on me for the first time.
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And so by the time we were connected, we shared some
00:44:29.392 --> 00:44:34.130
Common points where that was the angle of the day
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And the place.
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And it has been a gift to like a little sister following
00:44:40.770 --> 00:44:45.074
Behind my big sister, grabbing her hand like, yeah, let's get
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Out of here.
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You know what i'm saying?
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:51.414
Like, yeah, that was crazy.
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I have to calm down.
00:44:53.182 --> 00:44:54.817
That's the visual that comes to mind.
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You're right. we do have to go.
00:44:56.886 --> 00:44:57.720
I don't know, grabbing her hand,
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And we're out of here and just watching, being able to unfold
00:44:59.155 --> 00:45:02.625
That with somebody just ahead who's brilliant and kind and
00:45:02.625 --> 00:45:07.063
Loving and you already know and say, hey, i was feeling that,
00:45:07.063 --> 00:45:11.667
And i needed somebody ahead of me to have the humility to say,
00:45:11.667 --> 00:45:16.272
Yeah, that is wild.
00:45:16.272 --> 00:45:18.174
Actually, scripture says we can be over here.
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That's right.
00:45:21.177 --> 00:45:22.445
Having a helpful and supportive community helps us keep our
00:45:22.445 --> 00:45:26.649
Identity and perspective, because they're constantly
00:45:26.649 --> 00:45:29.919
Reminding us of who we are in god, who we are in christ.
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And so, yeah, i think it comes back to that.
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If something has been very hurtful for us, um, then that
00:45:37.026 --> 00:45:40.930
That loving community kind of hears that hurt but also steers
00:45:40.930 --> 00:45:45.234
Us to the lord.
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If we're excited about something or if we're pondering
00:45:46.402 --> 00:45:48.337
Something, our community becomes a sounding board.
00:45:48.337 --> 00:45:51.240
And it's very important that that community be rooted in
00:45:51.240 --> 00:45:54.343
Christ, right, so that they hear your stories, but also
00:45:54.343 --> 00:45:58.815
Ultimately make sure that you're holding, um,
00:45:58.815 --> 00:46:03.052
The truth of who you are in
00:46:03.052 --> 00:46:04.187
Jesus at the forefront at all times.
00:46:04.187 --> 00:46:07.790
Thank you for choosing to see it as humility.
00:46:07.790 --> 00:46:10.593
Yes, i had an orphan spirit, so
00:46:10.593 --> 00:46:13.863
I had an orphan spirit. my dad left.
00:46:13.863 --> 00:46:16.165
I did feel like nobody--
00:46:16.165 --> 00:46:17.800
Everybody will leave.
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:18.935
They know the real me.
00:46:18.935 --> 00:46:20.102
So i was predisposed
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To believe unbiblical theology because i already felt so
00:46:22.805 --> 00:46:26.075
Cruddy about myself.
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I already believed i wasn't enough.
00:46:27.710 --> 00:46:30.012
Wow. and so, yeah, that's where i say even some of the
00:46:30.012 --> 00:46:34.116
Gentleman i worked with way back,
00:46:34.116 --> 00:46:36.752
I want to believe they were well intentioned, because i so
00:46:36.752 --> 00:46:41.057
Wanted to be in god's family, that i was willing to be second
00:46:41.057 --> 00:46:45.194
Best, because i just wanted to get as close as i could.
00:46:45.194 --> 00:46:48.164
I talked about this yesterday.
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My counselor said it.
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She said, toni, truth adjacent still doesn't set you free.
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Yeah.
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And what you believe about what people have done and about
00:46:54.837 --> 00:46:58.140
Their posture really does influence your freedom and your
00:46:58.140 --> 00:47:01.744
Peace with the lord.
00:47:01.744 --> 00:47:02.879
Yes. and so i love, and also i want to be like jesus.
00:47:02.879 --> 00:47:06.582
And i want to hold space for, i want grace and space.
00:47:06.582 --> 00:47:08.851
I want to extend that.
00:47:08.851 --> 00:47:10.720
What i love about what you guys are saying is you're bringing
00:47:10.720 --> 00:47:13.756
It down to the personal level, right?
00:47:13.756 --> 00:47:16.225
There are power dynamics and power struggles.
00:47:16.225 --> 00:47:18.661
There are ways that scripture has been or the interpretation
00:47:18.661 --> 00:47:23.199
Of scripture has been affected by those societal structures.
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:26.936
But i love that
00:47:26.936 --> 00:47:29.872
Jesus's plan was so grassroots.
00:47:29.872 --> 00:47:32.708
It's so here to that,
00:47:32.708 --> 00:47:34.610
It's like, yeah, it's about my journey to healing with the
00:47:34.610 --> 00:47:38.648
Lord as well in healthy community.
00:47:38.648 --> 00:47:41.717
But you know what i'm saying?
00:47:41.717 --> 00:47:42.385
It's like even in the
00:47:42.385 --> 00:47:43.886
Midst of-- ethnicity or--
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Yes, in the midst of the power structures, the lord has always
00:47:45.187 --> 00:47:49.292
Been powerful enough to enter a
00:47:49.292 --> 00:47:51.961
Culture and walk this line of guys,
00:47:51.961 --> 00:47:54.797
Actually, culture of the kingdom is this.
00:47:54.797 --> 00:47:56.999
And show us that and invite us to it no matter what.
00:47:56.999 --> 00:48:00.269
That's right.
00:48:00.269 --> 00:48:01.137
Well ladies,
00:48:01.137 --> 00:48:02.972
This could be a great week.
00:48:02.972 --> 00:48:05.174
It's going to be a good week, baby.
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So good.
00:48:07.009 --> 00:48:08.044
I feel like we have 1000 hours of conversation.
00:48:08.044 --> 00:48:10.212
Yeah. um, but as we close for today, i think what's in my
00:48:10.212 --> 00:48:13.916
Heart as we pray is just for any women out there,
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Join us this week open and curious.
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Keep pulling your--
00:48:19.088 --> 00:48:20.056
And men and brothers.
00:48:20.056 --> 00:48:21.724
Yes. brothers and dads.
00:48:21.724 --> 00:48:23.593
So excited to seek the shalom of the world with and beside
00:48:23.593 --> 00:48:28.798
You and alongside you.
00:48:28.798 --> 00:48:30.800
That's right.
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:31.367
And so i'm excited.
00:48:31.367 --> 00:48:32.902
So with that being said, let's just pray.
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Uh, father, just thank you for the bible.
00:48:35.271 --> 00:48:38.007
Thank you for genesis one and two.
00:48:38.007 --> 00:48:40.376
Thank you that you've given us the best and truest story that
00:48:40.376 --> 00:48:43.613
Has ever been told, and that we're in it, and that it starts
00:48:43.613 --> 00:48:48.818
In genesis one and two.
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Such a good beginning, a good genesis.
00:48:50.620 --> 00:48:53.823
Father, just thank you for time to have these conversations, to
00:48:53.823 --> 00:48:57.126
Hear each other's hearts, to be
00:48:57.126 --> 00:48:58.761
In scripture, in your word together.
00:48:58.761 --> 00:49:02.264
Father, i pray that your shalom would meet us all today, and
00:49:02.264 --> 00:49:06.135
That you would send us out in the world as agents of your
00:49:06.135 --> 00:49:09.238
Shalom and sufficiency.
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That we are not orphans and we are not the fatherless.
00:49:11.007 --> 00:49:13.342
We do not have to live from a place of scarcity.
00:49:13.342 --> 00:49:16.145
You are enough and you're more than enough.
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In jesus' name we pray.
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Amen. amen.
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Connect with us on social media and let us know how our team
00:49:22.585 --> 00:49:25.221
Can pray for you.
00:49:25.221 --> 00:49:27.323
Probably the most special truth that i can think of in the
00:49:31.894 --> 00:49:37.166
Whole biblical text is that as a woman, as a as a human, but
00:49:37.166 --> 00:49:42.805
As a female human, that i am made in the image and
00:49:42.805 --> 00:49:47.677
Likeness of god.
00:49:47.677 --> 00:49:49.712
That often in the biblical text, that's not as apparent as
00:49:49.712 --> 00:49:54.717
Maybe i would like it to be.
00:49:54.717 --> 00:49:56.919
There's often more masculine images of god.
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We also used the biblical language of father and son as
00:50:01.691 --> 00:50:05.961
We should, because that is revealed language for us.
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But we can then kind of get the feeling, well, wait a minute,
00:50:10.032 --> 00:50:13.069
Am i forgotten?
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Am i second class?
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No. at the very beginning, first chapter of the bible, god
00:50:15.871 --> 00:50:20.976
Makes it absolutely clear that me as a woman, i am made in the
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Image and likeness of god.
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And that highlights for me my-- i'm treasured.
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I'm loved.
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I belong in the family of god.
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A Woman's Value - Episode 1081

August 4, 2025 | S7 E1081 | 52:34

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