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Bobby Chandler: Authentic Church

Bobby Chandler - Identity (Part 1)

December 2, 2025 | 34:21

Bobby Chandler - Identity (Part 1)
Pastor Bobby Chandler has found hope in Jesus and wants as many people as possible to experience that exact same freedom.
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Bobby Chandler: Authentic Church | Bobby Chandler - Identity (Part 1) | December 2, 2025
  • She. hears the biggest question of the podcast today.
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  • We're going to answer it.
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  • Are we related?
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  • You're my brother.
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  • Great.
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  • I genuinely try to celebrate
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  • Other people's names instead of criticizing them.
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  • I'm just cheering for frank on, bro.
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  • Welcome back to the believe the impossible podcast,
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  • Where we talk about how authentic faith
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  • Will always lead to impossible stories.
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  • And i am so excited to have in the house with me today.
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  • The one and the only reason.
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  • Katie.
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  • Come on, i need a side effect or you got us.
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  • We gotta get a fake on this one.
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  • So everybody else to be here,
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  • That we can hear it at this moment.
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  • But we know that is going on, man.
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  • So grateful and honored to have you in the house.
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  • How you feeling? i'm good man. authentic church.
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  • Amazing time. is it an amazing time?
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  • Really good time.
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  • Yeah. you guys got something special here, bro?
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  • Thanks, bro. you guys.
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  • I go to rhythm church, that's all.
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  • I've told you this out loud.
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  • Reminds me
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  • A lot of what we're doing in terms of
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  • Just the use of the smaller space.
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  • Yeah, i'm trying to be efficient.
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  • Trying to be excellent. it's been dope.
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  • Thank you man, so much.
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  • And just for on the online viewers like he
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  • You preached three times today
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  • Three different services packed hours
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  • Before your services over to different crowds.
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  • Do you have a do you have a favorite?
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  • I you know, i like the second you like this.
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  • I like the second. yeah.
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  • I think
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  • Because i don't know, maybe because you guys were like,
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  • Man, second or tough second one, they can be tough.
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  • And i was like, all right.
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  • Like they're tough.
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  • Like, yeah, i'm moving to get it, you know?
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  • And they, they, they rock. they were actually i was great.
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  • That's awesome brother.
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  • Oh and one thing to we gotta, we gotta squash this
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  • And make sure the people know because everybody's asking.
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  • Here's the biggest question of the podcast today.
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  • We're going to answer it.
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  • Are we related at all?
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  • You're my
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  • Brother in christ and in christ.
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  • Brother in christ.
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  • So it's just funny story.
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  • Like, before we came out here,
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  • I get comments like this all the time, and i send it to you.
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  • And i said,
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  • You know, people
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  • Actually either think we're related on social media
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  • Or they think you're me or i'm the same person, same person.
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  • Sometimes there was one comment where one guy was like,
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  • I've been watching you for a while
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  • And i thought you were rude. that is so funny.
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  • No, i was i was joking earlier.
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  • I said, you're the taller buffer version.
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  • I'll come on. it's two nine, two nine buffer version. yeah.
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  • You're me and my glorified stick with me.
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  • Am i am i?
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  • I need to put on about 20 pounds of muscle state.
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  • Bro, you look great.
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  • You look great, man. man, i don't feel great.
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  • Yeah. hey, come on, come on.
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  • We're going to.
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  • I got, like, four weeks before the kid.
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  • The new baby's here.
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  • Yeah. excited to lock. yeah. tell us about that. yeah.
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  • My wife's pregnant november 8th or ninth.
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  • And so i don't know when this is coming out,
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  • But if it comes out after that,
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  • So i'm, i'm excited
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  • Just to be home for
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  • A couple weeks before the baby, and then i don't
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  • Do any traveling to the end of january.
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  • So excited. like, you know.
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  • So congratulations to you guys.
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  • I know that's a blessing and a life change altogether.
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  • Excited that you guys are going to
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  • Be together for a little bit too.
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  • And then you also just wrote a book.
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  • But it got the ambition on the commission.
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  • You got to check it out. you get older, actually.
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  • I'll put the link on this,
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  • Podcast on youtube so you can go check it out.
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  • But tell us about a man. how was that process?
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  • Yeah, it was the process was fun to write it.
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  • I been wanting to do a book for decades.
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  • I needed the right season, needed the right topic.
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  • And the more i realized all the
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  • Struggles that people are facing right now,
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  • The tension that people are facing with regards to
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  • Economic uncertainty, the wealth gap,
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  • The inflation rates, like, oh,
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  • There's a lot of people hurting right now.
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  • And sometimes when you're struggling,
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  • You can grow disillusion and just punt your life.
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  • And the other side, though,
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  • Is that there's a massive like hustle culture, hustle, bro.
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  • Work your face off, cut people off that don't never sleep.
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  • Grind, grind, grind all day long.
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  • And there's that extreme.
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  • And i think that extreme has burnt people out. yeah.
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  • And led to a lot of this like quiet quitting
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  • That was seeing or i will kill you. yeah.
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  • Or literally kill you. yeah.
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  • And i wanted to speak to these ideas of work
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  • Ethic and finances and calling and purpose, identity
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  • And godly ambition just was the perfect vehicle
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  • To kind of hit so many different things
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  • And then also make it
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  • As practical
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  • As i could possibly make it for people in book format.
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  • Would you say there was like a green light moments where, like,
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  • The lord spoke to you like you knew that was the title.
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  • You knew that's
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  • What he was telling you to write or was it a process?
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  • I knew we wanted to do something with ambition.
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  • We were playing with the idea of like, god driven ambition
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  • That didn't really stick.
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  • And then so when we went to do the publishing thing
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  • With water broke,
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  • They just were like, yeah,
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  • We usually don't let people title their own books,
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  • But we were like, godly ambition.
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  • Unlocking the full potential of your time, talent
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  • And treasure with the subtitle.
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  • And i was like, all right,
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  • If you guys like it, like, if you like it, i love it.
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  • Yeah, yeah, that's how it came to be.
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  • I've been toying with the idea of godly ambition for
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  • Seven years.
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  • There was a pastor that we or we know who he is.
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  • Probably everyone listening, who he is.
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  • I'm not going to
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  • I'm not going to name check him here,
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  • But i may make a video about him later.
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  • And he had a title go viral,
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  • Call it that, said, all ambition is evil.
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  • A video a video goes viral on facebook.
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  • All ambition is evil.
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  • And i was like, i watched it and he's just fumbling the text.
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  • He's reading the passage where it's a selfish ambition.
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  • I have no self, a skipping the word selfish,
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  • Just skipping the word selfish, interesting, godly.
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  • All ambition is evil.
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  • It is demonic.
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  • Ambition is demonic.
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  • And i'm sitting there watching this.
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  • I'm like, well, when you're fumbling the text two,
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  • You're on this very well lit stage.
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  • Would a very good put together outfit in this room of a church.
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  • It's requires ambition with a team to cut all this up
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  • And curate this and make it go viral for you.
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  • Someone did the forethought to do that.
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  • Yeah, yeah. all required ambition.
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  • And then i dug deeper and i said, man,
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  • Let me look at the greek.
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  • And i discovered that the word for selfish ambition
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  • Is a different word.
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  • In the greek it is adithya.
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  • So it is a clobbering 50 cent get rich or die trying
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  • Type of ambition, which is absolutely forbidden
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  • And we shouldn't have that sort of ambition.
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  • Yeah,
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  • But there's a different type of ambition
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  • Where we see it three times in a new testament,
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  • And it's a fellow team, fellow team oma ambition.
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  • So the etymology of it, we get the word felly for
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  • Philadelphia like brotherly.
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  • So it's a brotherly
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  • And in tight time is where we get time from.
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  • And it's about honor.
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  • And so it's a type of ambition that is a brotherly
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  • Honoring of one's goals and aspirations,
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  • That it's not about you, it's about serving people.
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  • Paul uses it three times.
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  • He said he makes his ambition to preach the gospel where
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  • Others have it.
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  • Second corinthians,
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  • He says he makes it his ambition to do what pleases god.
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  • And then at first that's lonely.
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  • As for love.
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  • And he says, make it your ambition
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  • To lead a quiet life, working with your own hands.
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  • Mind your own business so that you will
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  • Not be dependent on anyone in your daily life.
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  • Maybe when the respect of outsiders
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  • And that word is a totally different
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  • Word than selfish ambition.
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  • It's very powerful too, because i think too,
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  • When you talk about selfish ambition,
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  • I believe the verse continues and says, that's
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  • Where you will find every kind of disorder
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  • In your life, which is a huge revelation.
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  • And so right now,
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  • How do you know the difference
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  • Between godly ambition and selfish ambition?
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  • Well, with god, okay, there's going to be order.
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  • And when it comes to selfish ambition,
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  • There will always be disorder. that's right.
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  • It's going to be chaos.
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  • That's right.
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  • It's not going to work out well for you.
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  • There's going to be arguments
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  • And a lot of frustration and stuff like that,
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  • But your book really handles it well.
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  • I had a conversation about it today
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  • With a guy that was checking it out, and i was like, you know,
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  • The clarity that that comes with that book is amazing.
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  • Look at that.
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  • I think that's where god has gifted you that,
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  • Like being able to break down, which is i call something.
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  • I call it like a moral dilemma.
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  • You know, it's like, all right, where am i on this?
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  • Is it good to do for god or is it just all bad
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  • And you're able to kind of break it down
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  • Biblically with the scriptures and bring clarity,
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  • Like it is not a bad thing to have ambition.
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  • In fact, god has put the ambition in you.
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  • That's right.
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  • But you got to do it for the kingdom.
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  • Otherwise you get lost in the world. that's right. and
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  • Paradoxically,
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  • When you do it for the kingdom in our context
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  • And in the west,
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  • I can't speak to china in north korea and nigeria,
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  • Where christians are getting slaughtered. right.
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  • But in the west, paradoxically, when you do it for the kingdom,
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  • It oddly also builds stability,
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  • Consistency, flourishing in your day to day life.
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  • So it's almost you would think that, no, i got to get mine.
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  • I got to do it. it's all about me, me, me, me, me.
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  • But actually it's the opposite.
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  • When you actually say
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  • He's all about god and serving god's people,
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  • That they're on the other side of that is stability
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  • And flourishing
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  • And all of the things that people actually desire.
  • 00:08:55.897 --> 00:08:58.032
  • I think you're about to preach again.
  • 00:08:58.032 --> 00:08:59.200
  • That's what i think i'm getting excited. no, no.
  • 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:00.768
  • Well, and i want to talk more about the book too.
  • 00:09:01.736 --> 00:09:03.638
  • But but
  • 00:09:03.638 --> 00:09:04.272
  • Before you even get there,
  • 00:09:04.272 --> 00:09:05.340
  • Kind of one of the first questions i have for you,
  • 00:09:05.340 --> 00:09:07.875
  • Just tell us kind of how you grew up,
  • 00:09:07.875 --> 00:09:09.110
  • Because i know that's a very interesting story, bro.
  • 00:09:09.110 --> 00:09:11.079
  • And it's it's god has did a lot through you in, in your life.
  • 00:09:11.079 --> 00:09:14.949
  • And i don't know if everybody watching right now
  • 00:09:14.949 --> 00:09:16.884
  • Even knows really what
  • 00:09:16.884 --> 00:09:18.886
  • You have been through to get where you are today.
  • 00:09:18.886 --> 00:09:20.955
  • I'm sorry.
  • 00:09:20.955 --> 00:09:22.090
  • There's no coaster here. i feel like i'm. it's fine.
  • 00:09:22.090 --> 00:09:23.758
  • So rude to you. it's all good.
  • 00:09:23.758 --> 00:09:25.360
  • I think i robbed you the coaster we have, that's all.
  • 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.695
  • Good.
  • 00:09:27.695 --> 00:09:28.830
  • So i'm ethnically armenian?
  • 00:09:28.830 --> 00:09:31.633
  • Yeah.
  • 00:09:31.633 --> 00:09:32.500
  • And like today i talked about identity,
  • 00:09:32.500 --> 00:09:34.369
  • Which is a near and dear
  • 00:09:34.369 --> 00:09:35.703
  • Talk to my heart,
  • 00:09:35.703 --> 00:09:36.571
  • Because there's so many identity markers
  • 00:09:36.571 --> 00:09:38.806
  • That i've had to work through some ethnically armenian.
  • 00:09:38.806 --> 00:09:41.609
  • My mother is russian, but she's adopted by an armenian family.
  • 00:09:41.609 --> 00:09:44.512
  • My dad is fully armenian.
  • 00:09:44.512 --> 00:09:45.747
  • So there's that component of like, i'm,
  • 00:09:45.747 --> 00:09:47.882
  • If anyone's ever seen armenians
  • 00:09:47.882 --> 00:09:49.417
  • Who tend to be darker skinned, right,
  • 00:09:49.417 --> 00:09:51.386
  • Tend to like middle eastern,
  • 00:09:51.386 --> 00:09:52.620
  • I'm more of a fair skinned armenian.
  • 00:09:52.620 --> 00:09:53.788
  • So i'm already growing up in an environment
  • 00:09:53.788 --> 00:09:55.390
  • Where i'm armenian,
  • 00:09:55.390 --> 00:09:56.457
  • But i'm like half armenian, but i'm culturally.
  • 00:09:56.457 --> 00:09:58.393
  • I mean, that's all we know.
  • 00:09:58.393 --> 00:09:59.827
  • I'm in a i'm from a city called baku in azerbaijan.
  • 00:09:59.827 --> 00:10:02.697
  • Azerbaijan is north of iran, predominantly muslim country.
  • 00:10:02.697 --> 00:10:08.236
  • And so now i'm not armenian, from armenia,
  • 00:10:08.236 --> 00:10:11.639
  • From the broader diaspora.
  • 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:12.707
  • I'm armenian from this muslim part of the world.
  • 00:10:12.707 --> 00:10:15.443
  • Right.
  • 00:10:15.443 --> 00:10:16.711
  • So there's already like a weird component of that or azerbaijan
  • 00:10:16.711 --> 00:10:19.447
  • Is under at that time, the former soviet union.
  • 00:10:19.447 --> 00:10:23.718
  • So i'm growing up under communism.
  • 00:10:23.718 --> 00:10:25.720
  • I'm talking food rations, water rations, lining up to get,
  • 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:29.424
  • Food, or we get a, a tub of water to
  • 00:10:29.424 --> 00:10:31.926
  • Share for our whole family.
  • 00:10:31.926 --> 00:10:32.927
  • And then in the late 80s, it became the pogroms of baku.
  • 00:10:34.028 --> 00:10:36.330
  • Were all the buck.
  • 00:10:36.330 --> 00:10:37.965
  • Armenians in baku were ethnically cleansed from us.
  • 00:10:37.965 --> 00:10:40.068
  • All began because of conflict, religious
  • 00:10:40.068 --> 00:10:42.704
  • Conflict, social conflict, cultural conflict.
  • 00:10:42.704 --> 00:10:44.472
  • So half a million armenians are displaced from baku,
  • 00:10:44.472 --> 00:10:47.875
  • By 500 are slaughtered.
  • 00:10:47.875 --> 00:10:49.177
  • And this is all like un.
  • 00:10:49.177 --> 00:10:50.478
  • You can pull it, people can pull it.
  • 00:10:50.478 --> 00:10:51.579
  • Videos. it's crazy. this. yeah.
  • 00:10:51.579 --> 00:10:53.247
  • And how old were you when this was happening?
  • 00:10:53.247 --> 00:10:55.383
  • I'm like 5 or 6.
  • 00:10:55.383 --> 00:10:56.984
  • I come to america when i was five,
  • 00:10:56.984 --> 00:10:58.519
  • But this is probably when i'm about, five.
  • 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:00.755
  • So i come here when i was six.
  • 00:11:00.755 --> 00:11:02.356
  • And so we end up fleeing, coming over to the united states.
  • 00:11:02.356 --> 00:11:06.961
  • We move to san diego. beautiful.
  • 00:11:07.595 --> 00:11:10.565
  • Totally different.
  • 00:11:10.565 --> 00:11:11.799
  • My first memory in america
  • 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:13.334
  • Was going to what i thought was a toy store,
  • 00:11:13.334 --> 00:11:16.370
  • But it was really a lucky's grocery store.
  • 00:11:16.370 --> 00:11:18.272
  • And the lights and how colorful it is, like completely capture
  • 00:11:18.272 --> 00:11:21.909
  • My imagination.
  • 00:11:21.909 --> 00:11:22.543
  • I like this is so
  • 00:11:22.543 --> 00:11:23.511
  • I mean, and you remember it like vividly,
  • 00:11:23.511 --> 00:11:24.679
  • I remember vividly, i remember thinking,
  • 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.048
  • This is so nice of my parents.
  • 00:11:27.048 --> 00:11:28.149
  • They took me to a toy store to replenish my toys
  • 00:11:28.149 --> 00:11:29.917
  • Because i didn't get any toys with me.
  • 00:11:29.917 --> 00:11:31.119
  • And it was like, no, they just we're going grocery shopping
  • 00:11:31.119 --> 00:11:32.820
  • Because we were refugees and we had no food.
  • 00:11:32.820 --> 00:11:34.922
  • Right? in our new place.
  • 00:11:34.922 --> 00:11:36.057
  • So i remember that.
  • 00:11:36.057 --> 00:11:37.258
  • I remember subsequently, after my mother and my dad split,
  • 00:11:37.258 --> 00:11:40.928
  • I remember the tumultuous life that my mom
  • 00:11:40.928 --> 00:11:45.099
  • Then took on with toxic men and a lot of domestic violence
  • 00:11:45.099 --> 00:11:48.736
  • And the stuff that she was dealing with.
  • 00:11:48.736 --> 00:11:49.937
  • My dad restarting his family,
  • 00:11:49.937 --> 00:11:53.141
  • As a kid at the same time,
  • 00:11:53.708 --> 00:11:55.676
  • Serving in the armenian apostolic church,
  • 00:11:55.676 --> 00:11:57.445
  • I get sexually assaulted by some older altar boys
  • 00:11:57.445 --> 00:11:59.947
  • That scrambles my brain.
  • 00:11:59.947 --> 00:12:01.716
  • So again, i like this idea of identity is just like
  • 00:12:01.716 --> 00:12:04.218
  • Weighing strong because there's so many things
  • 00:12:04.218 --> 00:12:06.220
  • That were destroyed.
  • 00:12:06.220 --> 00:12:07.522
  • And then at the same time,
  • 00:12:07.522 --> 00:12:10.224
  • I'm also starting to hear about jesus.
  • 00:12:10.224 --> 00:12:11.759
  • I'm starting to hear from my neighbors.
  • 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.027
  • I'm starting to hear about god, and jesus can do great things
  • 00:12:13.027 --> 00:12:17.064
  • For jesus some day.
  • 00:12:17.064 --> 00:12:17.999
  • And i'm just like, you guys are crazy.
  • 00:12:17.999 --> 00:12:20.301
  • And then i get arrested
  • 00:12:20.301 --> 00:12:21.269
  • For breaking in the house at the age of 11.
  • 00:12:21.269 --> 00:12:23.504
  • I have to do the community service hours somewhere.
  • 00:12:23.504 --> 00:12:26.040
  • I wait till the last minute
  • 00:12:26.040 --> 00:12:27.141
  • So i end up doing them with this black baptist church.
  • 00:12:27.141 --> 00:12:30.211
  • My entire complex at this point is christian.
  • 00:12:30.211 --> 00:12:32.180
  • They're telling me about the lord.
  • 00:12:32.180 --> 00:12:33.247
  • I'm still hardened. i'm an atheist.
  • 00:12:33.247 --> 00:12:34.816
  • I'm angry. i'm mad, a god.
  • 00:12:34.816 --> 00:12:36.784
  • Why would you allow need to be sexually assaulted?
  • 00:12:36.784 --> 00:12:38.953
  • Why would you allow my mom, my mother, my father to split?
  • 00:12:38.953 --> 00:12:41.122
  • Why would you allow these bad things to happen to me?
  • 00:12:41.122 --> 00:12:43.257
  • I'd have been a youngest atheist walking like.
  • 00:12:43.257 --> 00:12:45.927
  • And long story short, i end up,
  • 00:12:45.927 --> 00:12:49.864
  • Moving to vista, which is a suburb of san diego.
  • 00:12:50.832 --> 00:12:53.901
  • Very, very different than, like, city
  • 00:12:53.901 --> 00:12:55.169
  • Heights, normal heights area where i grew up and a data girl.
  • 00:12:55.169 --> 00:12:59.073
  • The only way i could see her over the summer.
  • 00:12:59.073 --> 00:13:01.609
  • It was the end of my freshman year.
  • 00:13:01.609 --> 00:13:02.944
  • If i start going to church with her and her family on sundays.
  • 00:13:02.944 --> 00:13:06.214
  • And so that was my in.
  • 00:13:06.681 --> 00:13:07.748
  • Like i started going to this kind of like seeker
  • 00:13:07.748 --> 00:13:09.884
  • Friendly church.
  • 00:13:09.884 --> 00:13:10.718
  • Very fluffy,
  • 00:13:10.718 --> 00:13:11.919
  • Very like very yeah, just very happy go lucky church.
  • 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.157
  • To say that
  • 00:13:16.157 --> 00:13:16.791
  • The pastor was the pastor,
  • 00:13:16.791 --> 00:13:18.593
  • He was a chaplain of the san diego chargers at the time.
  • 00:13:18.593 --> 00:13:21.028
  • Okay, okay.
  • 00:13:21.028 --> 00:13:21.896
  • And i'm just hear about the gospel.
  • 00:13:21.896 --> 00:13:23.497
  • And again, god keeps sending people to me.
  • 00:13:23.497 --> 00:13:25.199
  • He's saying people.
  • 00:13:25.199 --> 00:13:25.900
  • And that's a culture shock.
  • 00:13:25.900 --> 00:13:26.767
  • I mean,
  • 00:13:26.767 --> 00:13:27.635
  • From where they were to be in there,
  • 00:13:27.635 --> 00:13:29.770
  • Everything that you've been through
  • 00:13:29.770 --> 00:13:31.606
  • And what do you say to even even arriving to this fluffy
  • 00:13:31.606 --> 00:13:35.176
  • Good church? yeah, yeah.
  • 00:13:35.176 --> 00:13:36.878
  • Was it hard to trust the church still at that rate?
  • 00:13:36.878 --> 00:13:40.314
  • Because i thought all religion was b.s.
  • 00:13:40.314 --> 00:13:42.049
  • Like, i thought, this is all nonsense, this is all fake.
  • 00:13:42.049 --> 00:13:44.151
  • This is all make believe sky daddy cope. and
  • 00:13:44.151 --> 00:13:48.456
  • But i just kept going because
  • 00:13:49.090 --> 00:13:49.991
  • I'm like, well, it's it's encouraging.
  • 00:13:49.991 --> 00:13:53.027
  • At least i'm encouraged.
  • 00:13:53.027 --> 00:13:54.195
  • And so i slowly go from being an atheist to a deist,
  • 00:13:54.195 --> 00:13:58.866
  • Which is like god.
  • 00:13:59.300 --> 00:14:00.334
  • Maybe god exists, but he's far away to a theist.
  • 00:14:00.334 --> 00:14:03.037
  • Okay, there is a god.
  • 00:14:03.037 --> 00:14:04.839
  • Which god is it because me and this girl break up?
  • 00:14:04.839 --> 00:14:07.508
  • Now i'm dating a jehovah's witness girl.
  • 00:14:07.508 --> 00:14:09.977
  • She got me reading reasoning for scriptures, right?
  • 00:14:09.977 --> 00:14:12.780
  • She's not supposed to really be dating, but we're dating.
  • 00:14:12.780 --> 00:14:15.549
  • And so now i'm like, looking at their stuff.
  • 00:14:15.549 --> 00:14:17.919
  • And then, i got mormon friends, i got muslim friends.
  • 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:20.454
  • I got all kinds of friends.
  • 00:14:20.454 --> 00:14:21.956
  • And i'm trying to sort this thing out,
  • 00:14:21.956 --> 00:14:22.957
  • And i'm like, i think jesus is the son of god.
  • 00:14:22.957 --> 00:14:24.992
  • But it doesn't say that he's god almighty.
  • 00:14:24.992 --> 00:14:27.361
  • So what?
  • 00:14:27.361 --> 00:14:28.596
  • What is this like?
  • 00:14:28.596 --> 00:14:29.830
  • Did you get christians to start worshiping this dude as god?
  • 00:14:29.830 --> 00:14:31.465
  • It isn't. you know?
  • 00:14:31.465 --> 00:14:32.566
  • And then i'm working at pizza hut my sophomore year.
  • 00:14:32.566 --> 00:14:35.937
  • Now i lie on my job application.
  • 00:14:35.937 --> 00:14:38.172
  • I say that i'm 16 when i'm really 15 to get this job
  • 00:14:38.172 --> 00:14:40.775
  • At pizza hut, my manager and our lead delivery driver,
  • 00:14:40.775 --> 00:14:44.845
  • Who had been at the longest, were both christians.
  • 00:14:44.845 --> 00:14:46.547
  • So i'm now hashing these ideas
  • 00:14:46.547 --> 00:14:48.115
  • Out with them at work, asking all these questions.
  • 00:14:48.115 --> 00:14:49.817
  • And i remember finally they were like, hey, here!
  • 00:14:49.817 --> 00:14:51.986
  • And they brought me the new evidence that demands
  • 00:14:51.986 --> 00:14:53.621
  • A verdict is a book this thick by, josh mcdowell.
  • 00:14:53.621 --> 00:14:57.625
  • And i just devoured it as, like, a sophomore in high school.
  • 00:14:57.625 --> 00:15:00.094
  • And that was at the end of my sophomore year.
  • 00:15:00.094 --> 00:15:01.562
  • That's when i was like, okay, cool.
  • 00:15:01.562 --> 00:15:02.396
  • Like, jesus is god almighty.
  • 00:15:02.396 --> 00:15:04.465
  • I'm going to go follow the lord like.
  • 00:15:04.465 --> 00:15:06.367
  • But then i start dating the first girl again.
  • 00:15:06.367 --> 00:15:08.235
  • I go back to this relationship, the jehovah's witness.
  • 00:15:08.235 --> 00:15:10.471
  • No, i mean, her broke up. okay, okay. i crashed out on her.
  • 00:15:10.471 --> 00:15:13.007
  • I told her she was in a cult. i did not handle it.
  • 00:15:13.007 --> 00:15:15.309
  • You could tell though,
  • 00:15:15.309 --> 00:15:16.944
  • Even at that stage of your life, like that was a call.
  • 00:15:16.944 --> 00:15:19.347
  • That was a biblical. this is not for me.
  • 00:15:19.347 --> 00:15:21.082
  • Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:15:21.082 --> 00:15:22.049
  • Because they i mean, they were doing weird
  • 00:15:22.049 --> 00:15:23.250
  • Stuff, like not celebrating birthdays, the shunning. yeah.
  • 00:15:23.250 --> 00:15:25.319
  • Yeah.
  • 00:15:25.319 --> 00:15:26.554
  • The the multiple predictions that jesus is going to come back
  • 00:15:26.554 --> 00:15:28.356
  • With multiple dates that came in when there was a lot of stuff
  • 00:15:28.356 --> 00:15:31.559
  • That i was like, oh, y'all are totally a cult.
  • 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.227
  • And i felt bad because i was like, really harsh
  • 00:15:33.227 --> 00:15:35.830
  • And me and the christian girl get back together.
  • 00:15:35.830 --> 00:15:38.799
  • Now i'm back in sexual morality.
  • 00:15:39.433 --> 00:15:41.869
  • I'm back in struggling.
  • 00:15:41.869 --> 00:15:43.704
  • And so i had another year of just wandering in the desert.
  • 00:15:43.704 --> 00:15:47.908
  • And then finally, when me and her broke up
  • 00:15:47.908 --> 00:15:49.377
  • The end of my junior year, i,
  • 00:15:49.377 --> 00:15:50.378
  • Like, surrendered my life fully to the lord.
  • 00:15:50.378 --> 00:15:52.413
  • I said, and to me,
  • 00:15:52.413 --> 00:15:53.781
  • That look like i'm going to join a small group.
  • 00:15:53.781 --> 00:15:55.750
  • I want to get plugged into a small group.
  • 00:15:55.750 --> 00:15:57.752
  • I'm going to do everything i can
  • 00:15:57.752 --> 00:15:58.552
  • To read my bible as often as i can.
  • 00:15:58.552 --> 00:16:00.154
  • I got a new believers bible.
  • 00:16:00.154 --> 00:16:01.122
  • I start reading it every day,
  • 00:16:01.122 --> 00:16:02.656
  • And i was like, i'm like, i'm for real about this jesus thing.
  • 00:16:02.656 --> 00:16:05.426
  • Like, this isn't i'm not going to do one foot in, one foot out.
  • 00:16:05.426 --> 00:16:07.328
  • And that, that, i mean, from first hearing about jesus,
  • 00:16:07.328 --> 00:16:10.297
  • The gospel about jesus, probably like fifth or sixth grade,
  • 00:16:10.297 --> 00:16:13.401
  • To fully surrendering my life to the lord was junior year
  • 00:16:13.401 --> 00:16:16.804
  • And two years of going to church fairly consistently
  • 00:16:16.804 --> 00:16:19.940
  • Without still fully giving my life to the lord.
  • 00:16:19.940 --> 00:16:22.576
  • Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:16:22.576 --> 00:16:23.978
  • So what do you feel like?
  • 00:16:23.978 --> 00:16:25.046
  • Just what was it for you like?
  • 00:16:25.046 --> 00:16:27.314
  • What moment just clicked?
  • 00:16:27.314 --> 00:16:28.649
  • I, i need to give my life to jesus.
  • 00:16:28.649 --> 00:16:31.052
  • After everything that you seen from from leaving
  • 00:16:31.052 --> 00:16:33.687
  • To coming to america through the persecution
  • 00:16:33.687 --> 00:16:35.523
  • Of that to the childhood upbringing that you had, the
  • 00:16:35.523 --> 00:16:39.260
  • The abuse that you had, that the things that you went through
  • 00:16:39.260 --> 00:16:41.695
  • That were just awful and evil and wicked,
  • 00:16:41.695 --> 00:16:44.698
  • But at the same time, so god's grace is so good.
  • 00:16:44.698 --> 00:16:47.368
  • And we kind of talk about it today.
  • 00:16:47.368 --> 00:16:49.637
  • At psalm
  • 00:16:49.904 --> 00:16:50.971
  • 34, 18 and 19, you know, david says it like this.
  • 00:16:50.971 --> 00:16:54.008
  • The lord is close to the brokenhearted.
  • 00:16:54.008 --> 00:16:55.443
  • He rescues those that are spirits, are crushed.
  • 00:16:55.443 --> 00:16:58.312
  • And i love looking at these songs
  • 00:16:58.312 --> 00:16:59.814
  • Because this is in the middle of him running away
  • 00:16:59.814 --> 00:17:02.917
  • From king saul in the middle of a trial.
  • 00:17:02.917 --> 00:17:06.120
  • And it's very easy
  • 00:17:06.120 --> 00:17:07.054
  • In that moment of his life to be honest,
  • 00:17:07.054 --> 00:17:08.656
  • To be like a lot of us and blame god.
  • 00:17:08.656 --> 00:17:10.758
  • All right? god, you anointed me to be king.
  • 00:17:10.758 --> 00:17:12.593
  • You anointed something good out of my life,
  • 00:17:12.593 --> 00:17:14.528
  • And nothing's going the way that you said so. so you know what?
  • 00:17:14.528 --> 00:17:16.597
  • You must not be a good god. and i'm gonna do my own thing.
  • 00:17:16.597 --> 00:17:18.899
  • But he's still seeing god's hand all over his life.
  • 00:17:18.899 --> 00:17:22.169
  • And so clearly, god's hand was all over you.
  • 00:17:22.169 --> 00:17:25.606
  • And he does heal the broken heart
  • 00:17:25.606 --> 00:17:26.807
  • And he heals those wounds that the world
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  • Could never be able to heal.
  • 00:17:28.309 --> 00:17:29.977
  • But i just want to ask you, like, what was it?
  • 00:17:29.977 --> 00:17:32.146
  • What was the moment like where you just knew
  • 00:17:32.146 --> 00:17:35.282
  • Jesus as the way and i got to give my life to him,
  • 00:17:35.282 --> 00:17:38.686
  • So there was no.
  • 00:17:38.686 --> 00:17:40.254
  • So i'll give you i'll give you a moment. but.
  • 00:17:40.254 --> 00:17:43.224
  • And you're totally right.
  • 00:17:43.224 --> 00:17:44.058
  • Like in hindsight, i'm looking back
  • 00:17:44.058 --> 00:17:45.826
  • And i'm seeing the hand of god, and i'm like, hey,
  • 00:17:45.826 --> 00:17:48.429
  • Clearly all these things
  • 00:17:48.429 --> 00:17:49.997
  • That the enemy meant for evil, god is using for good.
  • 00:17:49.997 --> 00:17:53.167
  • And that was a process of like coming to faith and saying,
  • 00:17:53.167 --> 00:17:56.437
  • Okay, the problem of evil, real problem.
  • 00:17:56.437 --> 00:17:59.740
  • I understand your suffering.
  • 00:17:59.740 --> 00:18:00.641
  • However, god clearly is use all of this
  • 00:18:00.641 --> 00:18:03.144
  • For good and a lot of aspects of my life
  • 00:18:03.144 --> 00:18:05.412
  • Feel like this crazy movie, but i see the hand
  • 00:18:05.412 --> 00:18:09.350
  • Of god in my life.
  • 00:18:09.350 --> 00:18:10.251
  • So you're totally right about that part.
  • 00:18:10.251 --> 00:18:11.285
  • I see the the the critical moment this is after.
  • 00:18:11.285 --> 00:18:14.054
  • I'm already like, i've gone through the door of apologetics.
  • 00:18:14.054 --> 00:18:16.957
  • I'm reading books. i'm reading my bible.
  • 00:18:16.957 --> 00:18:18.459
  • It was, it was, it was.
  • 00:18:18.459 --> 00:18:20.194
  • When i went back to that relationship,
  • 00:18:20.194 --> 00:18:21.862
  • The girl at first got me going to church.
  • 00:18:21.862 --> 00:18:23.097
  • I went back to our relationship
  • 00:18:23.097 --> 00:18:24.498
  • And i was again back to one foot in, one foot out.
  • 00:18:24.498 --> 00:18:27.768
  • I'm still going.
  • 00:18:27.768 --> 00:18:28.669
  • I'm gonna be a little sexually immoral.
  • 00:18:28.669 --> 00:18:30.337
  • I'm still fornicate a little bit. right.
  • 00:18:30.337 --> 00:18:32.306
  • I'm just going.
  • 00:18:32.306 --> 00:18:33.040
  • It's just going to be.
  • 00:18:33.040 --> 00:18:33.908
  • Yeah, i'm going to i'm going to i'm
  • 00:18:33.908 --> 00:18:34.608
  • Going to say i'm a christian.
  • 00:18:34.608 --> 00:18:35.576
  • But like, when i'm, when i'm making music,
  • 00:18:35.576 --> 00:18:37.578
  • It's going to have a little bit of profanity.
  • 00:18:37.578 --> 00:18:39.480
  • It's not going to be all the way out there.
  • 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:40.748
  • But was gonna have a look, so i did.
  • 00:18:40.748 --> 00:18:42.249
  • I tried that for a year.
  • 00:18:42.249 --> 00:18:43.817
  • I was like, i can't do this one foot in one house.
  • 00:18:43.817 --> 00:18:45.653
  • A long story short, she
  • 00:18:45.653 --> 00:18:48.222
  • Was cheating on me, but i didn't believe it.
  • 00:18:49.123 --> 00:18:52.226
  • And then i basically pulled up on her with the dude.
  • 00:18:52.226 --> 00:18:56.197
  • The end of my junior year, she had he had,
  • 00:18:56.197 --> 00:18:59.333
  • We're friendly now.
  • 00:18:59.333 --> 00:19:00.467
  • She she she she was going to church.
  • 00:19:00.467 --> 00:19:02.970
  • She has actually been to my church a couple times.
  • 00:19:02.970 --> 00:19:04.405
  • We're probably know long story short, she ups
  • 00:19:04.405 --> 00:19:06.507
  • He got to hear the story stories she had gotten into a
  • 00:19:06.507 --> 00:19:08.742
  • She had gotten into a fight with this other girl
  • 00:19:08.742 --> 00:19:10.878
  • That she was talking crazy about.
  • 00:19:10.878 --> 00:19:12.646
  • And, she got beat up like our face is swollen, lips busted,
  • 00:19:12.646 --> 00:19:16.183
  • You know? yeah.
  • 00:19:16.183 --> 00:19:17.318
  • And she just had a big mouth popping off.
  • 00:19:17.318 --> 00:19:20.087
  • And it was to a younger girl
  • 00:19:20.087 --> 00:19:21.956
  • Who was like a freshman, but she was like, she was about.
  • 00:19:21.956 --> 00:19:24.158
  • She was about that life. so she beat her up.
  • 00:19:24.158 --> 00:19:26.927
  • And so i after school, this happened like, right
  • 00:19:26.927 --> 00:19:30.364
  • After school was like maybe an hour later
  • 00:19:30.364 --> 00:19:32.466
  • I go and i'm like, all right.
  • 00:19:32.466 --> 00:19:34.201
  • Like, let me go check on her
  • 00:19:34.201 --> 00:19:36.103
  • As we're going to check on her, my buddy quinn hanson,
  • 00:19:36.103 --> 00:19:38.672
  • Quinn rose, shout out to him if he's listening.
  • 00:19:38.672 --> 00:19:40.407
  • He's probably not going, hey man.
  • 00:19:40.407 --> 00:19:42.276
  • Like she's cheating on you, bro.
  • 00:19:42.276 --> 00:19:44.311
  • And i'm going
  • 00:19:44.311 --> 00:19:45.212
  • And i'm willing to confront her with you
  • 00:19:45.212 --> 00:19:46.513
  • Because i've confronted her before and she was like,
  • 00:19:46.513 --> 00:19:48.115
  • No, i'm not cheating, he's just gossip, blah, blah.
  • 00:19:48.115 --> 00:19:50.784
  • And so we pull up
  • 00:19:50.784 --> 00:19:53.254
  • And the dude she was cheating on me with was at our house.
  • 00:19:53.254 --> 00:19:56.390
  • Well, as i pull up and i'm talking.
  • 00:19:56.390 --> 00:19:58.092
  • So she said, her lip busted, face swollen.
  • 00:19:58.092 --> 00:20:01.962
  • Queen takes the dude to the side.
  • 00:20:01.962 --> 00:20:04.465
  • I take her to the side and i'm like, what's going on?
  • 00:20:04.465 --> 00:20:07.201
  • Did it? did, why?
  • 00:20:07.201 --> 00:20:08.535
  • Why is he here? right?
  • 00:20:08.535 --> 00:20:10.537
  • And then quinn was like, hey,
  • 00:20:10.537 --> 00:20:12.439
  • I got something i want to say to you.
  • 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:14.675
  • And we're.
  • 00:20:14.675 --> 00:20:15.542
  • And he was like, hey, i'm sorry, bro.
  • 00:20:15.542 --> 00:20:18.279
  • Yeah, i've been, like, sleeping with your girlfriend.
  • 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:19.713
  • I didn't know she was your girlfriend. my bad.
  • 00:20:19.713 --> 00:20:21.849
  • Well, so, like, i cussed her out.
  • 00:20:21.849 --> 00:20:23.450
  • I drop off when i go home.
  • 00:20:23.450 --> 00:20:24.685
  • And that was the moment that i was like,
  • 00:20:24.685 --> 00:20:26.754
  • I cannot do this my own way.
  • 00:20:26.754 --> 00:20:28.722
  • Like i cannot do this one foot in one for that.
  • 00:20:28.722 --> 00:20:30.891
  • It wasn't like, yes,
  • 00:20:30.891 --> 00:20:31.792
  • I was sad that she on me and whatever,
  • 00:20:31.792 --> 00:20:34.028
  • But it was like i saw all the writing on the wall.
  • 00:20:34.028 --> 00:20:36.330
  • I saw it coming.
  • 00:20:36.330 --> 00:20:37.531
  • I knew that i wasn't supposed to stay in a relationship.
  • 00:20:37.531 --> 00:20:39.933
  • I knew that i needed to take my fate more seriously.
  • 00:20:39.933 --> 00:20:43.537
  • And because i did it,
  • 00:20:43.537 --> 00:20:44.872
  • It was like, god, allow me to put my hand
  • 00:20:44.872 --> 00:20:46.774
  • On the stove to discover that the stove's hot.
  • 00:20:46.774 --> 00:20:49.109
  • Yeah.
  • 00:20:49.109 --> 00:20:49.943
  • You know, and sometimes experience
  • 00:20:49.943 --> 00:20:51.412
  • Is what people gotta go through.
  • 00:20:51.412 --> 00:20:52.579
  • But i also believe that, like experience,
  • 00:20:52.579 --> 00:20:55.149
  • I think many parts
  • 00:20:55.149 --> 00:20:56.216
  • Of this experience is the lowest form of learning,
  • 00:20:56.216 --> 00:20:58.719
  • Because if you have to experience
  • 00:20:58.719 --> 00:21:01.322
  • Every time, put your hand on the stove to learn.
  • 00:21:01.322 --> 00:21:03.357
  • The stoves are like you,
  • 00:21:03.357 --> 00:21:04.792
  • You just you're going to go through
  • 00:21:04.792 --> 00:21:06.026
  • Way more pain and suffering.
  • 00:21:06.026 --> 00:21:08.495
  • I always say it like this too.
  • 00:21:08.495 --> 00:21:09.496
  • It's like sometimes, all right, every time.
  • 00:21:09.496 --> 00:21:12.933
  • Like, our heart has to be broken to see how good god is.
  • 00:21:12.933 --> 00:21:16.070
  • Like.
  • 00:21:16.303 --> 00:21:17.137
  • In order to have our heart healed,
  • 00:21:17.137 --> 00:21:18.706
  • We have to have a broken,
  • 00:21:18.706 --> 00:21:20.274
  • You know, we pray for a lot of things. god made me stronger.
  • 00:21:20.274 --> 00:21:22.643
  • Do you really want to pray that prayer?
  • 00:21:22.643 --> 00:21:24.178
  • Because also means you're going to go through some trials,
  • 00:21:24.178 --> 00:21:25.946
  • You're going to go through some battles, right?
  • 00:21:25.946 --> 00:21:27.848
  • But man, you know, it's really cool to hear this.
  • 00:21:27.848 --> 00:21:29.583
  • And i believe this encouraging for anybody that's listening
  • 00:21:29.583 --> 00:21:31.819
  • To all online as well, because you went through so much
  • 00:21:31.819 --> 00:21:35.889
  • And at this point, like, you still had a decision
  • 00:21:35.889 --> 00:21:38.225
  • To either run towards jesus or run away
  • 00:21:38.225 --> 00:21:41.261
  • And so you're exactly right.
  • 00:21:41.261 --> 00:21:43.063
  • Like with the enemy meant for evil,
  • 00:21:43.063 --> 00:21:44.531
  • God intended it for the good.
  • 00:21:44.531 --> 00:21:46.333
  • And this is where he healed your broken heart.
  • 00:21:46.333 --> 00:21:48.802
  • And and so i'm guessing this is kind of the process.
  • 00:21:48.802 --> 00:21:50.738
  • Where would you say you kind of dove
  • 00:21:50.738 --> 00:21:51.872
  • Deep at this point like you have?
  • 00:21:51.872 --> 00:21:53.674
  • You're very, very smart, dude.
  • 00:21:53.674 --> 00:21:55.809
  • Let's listen to his talk and dive deep into subjects
  • 00:21:55.809 --> 00:21:58.712
  • And so, like, have you always been like that,
  • 00:21:58.712 --> 00:22:00.547
  • Like when you first came to jesus?
  • 00:22:00.547 --> 00:22:02.483
  • Like,
  • 00:22:02.483 --> 00:22:02.916
  • Have you been
  • 00:22:02.916 --> 00:22:03.517
  • Reading as many books
  • 00:22:03.517 --> 00:22:04.485
  • As you possibly can to try to understand
  • 00:22:04.485 --> 00:22:06.220
  • The theology of things and really grasp that?
  • 00:22:06.220 --> 00:22:08.722
  • Would you say this kind of your personality, like,
  • 00:22:08.722 --> 00:22:10.457
  • I struggled reading as a kid because
  • 00:22:10.457 --> 00:22:12.793
  • English is my second language.
  • 00:22:12.793 --> 00:22:14.828
  • But i would say once i came to faith, it was like
  • 00:22:14.828 --> 00:22:17.765
  • I wanted to read the bible.
  • 00:22:17.765 --> 00:22:19.266
  • And so i just i had to figure it out.
  • 00:22:19.266 --> 00:22:21.835
  • And so freshman year, i start reading the bible
  • 00:22:21.835 --> 00:22:23.637
  • In stephen king books, and that's like, i really am.
  • 00:22:23.637 --> 00:22:26.073
  • Okay. so yeah.
  • 00:22:26.073 --> 00:22:27.708
  • And so yeah, i would say i tend to be a sponge.
  • 00:22:27.708 --> 00:22:30.944
  • What retaining information.
  • 00:22:30.944 --> 00:22:32.246
  • Well, i can retain information really well
  • 00:22:32.246 --> 00:22:34.415
  • And i, i love reading, i love audiobooks more.
  • 00:22:34.415 --> 00:22:38.085
  • And i knew that in that.
  • 00:22:38.085 --> 00:22:40.187
  • Yeah man i, i can't, i can't play with god.
  • 00:22:40.187 --> 00:22:42.356
  • Like that's where i came to is like, you can't play with god.
  • 00:22:42.356 --> 00:22:44.258
  • Like stop playing with god
  • 00:22:44.258 --> 00:22:45.426
  • Because we think that like,
  • 00:22:45.426 --> 00:22:47.161
  • Oh man, not getting what you want
  • 00:22:47.161 --> 00:22:48.762
  • Is the worst thing that could happen to you.
  • 00:22:48.762 --> 00:22:50.264
  • It's like, no, no, no, no, you might get what you want
  • 00:22:50.264 --> 00:22:52.299
  • And discover it's not really what you wanted.
  • 00:22:52.299 --> 00:22:54.401
  • And that is actually the worse thing for you, right?
  • 00:22:54.401 --> 00:22:57.337
  • A lot of young people want to be influencers
  • 00:22:57.337 --> 00:22:59.139
  • And want to do what we do.
  • 00:22:59.139 --> 00:23:00.140
  • And it's like,
  • 00:23:00.140 --> 00:23:01.074
  • You think you want that,
  • 00:23:01.074 --> 00:23:02.476
  • But you might actually get what you want.
  • 00:23:02.476 --> 00:23:04.244
  • Discover is not what you wanted all along
  • 00:23:04.244 --> 00:23:05.712
  • Because your character wasn't ready for it,
  • 00:23:05.712 --> 00:23:07.147
  • Because you weren't in a season, a life to be prepared.
  • 00:23:07.147 --> 00:23:09.383
  • And so i think that's the tricky part, is sometimes, like
  • 00:23:09.383 --> 00:23:13.053
  • Failure isn't the worst outcome,
  • 00:23:13.687 --> 00:23:15.289
  • It's success at the wrong thing.
  • 00:23:15.289 --> 00:23:16.824
  • That's good. that's really good.
  • 00:23:16.824 --> 00:23:18.592
  • Well, how do you not get stuck in the past.
  • 00:23:18.592 --> 00:23:20.961
  • So if you know and just quickly get it.
  • 00:23:20.961 --> 00:23:23.831
  • Yeah i relate to you a lot of things.
  • 00:23:23.831 --> 00:23:25.399
  • Totally different backgrounds.
  • 00:23:25.399 --> 00:23:27.034
  • But like there was this function in my family growing up
  • 00:23:27.034 --> 00:23:30.504
  • And a lot of people don't know that.
  • 00:23:30.504 --> 00:23:31.338
  • And a lot of people
  • 00:23:31.338 --> 00:23:32.039
  • Don't assume that when they're,
  • 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:33.006
  • When they're looking at a pastor and they're
  • 00:23:33.006 --> 00:23:34.174
  • Looking at a ministry, they think, alright,
  • 00:23:34.174 --> 00:23:36.043
  • You grew up in ministry. it's always been good for you.
  • 00:23:36.043 --> 00:23:38.412
  • And i didn't grow up in ministry at all, in fact.
  • 00:23:38.412 --> 00:23:40.781
  • So when i was, when i was younger,
  • 00:23:40.781 --> 00:23:44.017
  • I believe i was around five years old
  • 00:23:44.017 --> 00:23:46.420
  • When my mom got a call and she was hysterical.
  • 00:23:46.420 --> 00:23:49.656
  • And so my dad, my mom, we all jumped the car.
  • 00:23:49.656 --> 00:23:53.060
  • They wouldn't really tell me what's going on,
  • 00:23:53.060 --> 00:23:55.028
  • And i'll be in this back road.
  • 00:23:55.028 --> 00:23:56.330
  • So i have a half brother and a half sister.
  • 00:23:56.330 --> 00:23:59.199
  • My brother was living in county, but every now and then
  • 00:23:59.199 --> 00:24:01.602
  • He kind of go back and forth
  • 00:24:01.602 --> 00:24:02.903
  • From us in louisiana to back to cali,
  • 00:24:02.903 --> 00:24:05.939
  • And he uses he was trouble, like there was a lot going on
  • 00:24:05.939 --> 00:24:08.375
  • In his life.
  • 00:24:08.375 --> 00:24:09.443
  • I believe his, his best friend was shot in a gang.
  • 00:24:09.443 --> 00:24:12.779
  • You know, my mom, of
  • 00:24:13.247 --> 00:24:14.481
  • Course, was married before, so he went through the divorce.
  • 00:24:14.481 --> 00:24:17.284
  • And he struggled with that.
  • 00:24:17.885 --> 00:24:19.753
  • So i believe he was skipping school one day
  • 00:24:19.753 --> 00:24:22.356
  • And had a horrific car wreck.
  • 00:24:22.356 --> 00:24:25.659
  • And so his his best friend dies.
  • 00:24:26.293 --> 00:24:29.830
  • The person that they hit dies.
  • 00:24:29.830 --> 00:24:31.598
  • My brother was the only one that lived it.
  • 00:24:31.598 --> 00:24:34.001
  • His face was fully shattered.
  • 00:24:34.001 --> 00:24:37.137
  • I remember just standing with the cop,
  • 00:24:37.137 --> 00:24:38.906
  • Like, as my parents, like, ran to the car, you know,
  • 00:24:38.906 --> 00:24:41.708
  • And and it was a prayer.
  • 00:24:41.708 --> 00:24:42.809
  • They made it to the accident scene.
  • 00:24:42.809 --> 00:24:45.178
  • Yeah. we we got to the accidents.
  • 00:24:45.178 --> 00:24:46.613
  • I was there before the ambulance.
  • 00:24:46.613 --> 00:24:48.849
  • No, the ambulance were there,
  • 00:24:48.849 --> 00:24:50.050
  • But they had not taken him out yet.
  • 00:24:50.050 --> 00:24:51.852
  • And so i remember standing there like just tipped the car,
  • 00:24:51.852 --> 00:24:53.854
  • But mom didn't we didn't even know if he was alive.
  • 00:24:53.854 --> 00:24:56.023
  • Like nobody would tell us anything because they didn't,
  • 00:24:56.023 --> 00:24:58.258
  • I don't know.
  • 00:24:58.258 --> 00:24:59.293
  • So like, my mom is running over there, my dad.
  • 00:24:59.293 --> 00:25:01.261
  • And then he gets rushed to the hospital and,
  • 00:25:01.261 --> 00:25:04.464
  • You know, just as being as bad as it was,
  • 00:25:04.464 --> 00:25:07.501
  • He was always struggling a little bit with alcohol.
  • 00:25:07.501 --> 00:25:09.870
  • So it becomes this alcoholic.
  • 00:25:09.870 --> 00:25:11.772
  • And so there's there's a lot of dysfunction
  • 00:25:11.772 --> 00:25:14.374
  • In my family growing up.
  • 00:25:14.374 --> 00:25:15.876
  • And so i love the topic of like god's grace really meeting you
  • 00:25:15.876 --> 00:25:22.082
  • Because there were more struggles in my family later on.
  • 00:25:22.082 --> 00:25:25.085
  • There were times where it was really hard
  • 00:25:25.085 --> 00:25:26.753
  • Just to pay bills.
  • 00:25:26.753 --> 00:25:28.388
  • Some pretty scary times, respectfully saying it
  • 00:25:28.388 --> 00:25:31.224
  • Like that.
  • 00:25:31.224 --> 00:25:33.260
  • And so i remember going on my first youth trip,
  • 00:25:33.260 --> 00:25:36.330
  • And i was, i was angry,
  • 00:25:36.330 --> 00:25:39.032
  • It was at a point in time, like, there was a lot of things
  • 00:25:39.032 --> 00:25:40.901
  • Going on in school.
  • 00:25:40.901 --> 00:25:41.768
  • I believe.
  • 00:25:41.768 --> 00:25:42.235
  • You know,
  • 00:25:42.235 --> 00:25:42.769
  • Maybe i wasn't
  • 00:25:42.769 --> 00:25:44.071
  • Actually, i might have been in high school at this time,
  • 00:25:44.071 --> 00:25:46.773
  • And there were friends
  • 00:25:46.773 --> 00:25:48.108
  • That i was having trouble with
  • 00:25:48.108 --> 00:25:48.976
  • In school, and it just seemed like
  • 00:25:48.976 --> 00:25:50.711
  • I would look at my life because we're talking about identity.
  • 00:25:50.711 --> 00:25:52.813
  • I would look at my life and say, god, why is my life like this?
  • 00:25:52.813 --> 00:25:58.118
  • Why does it seem like all my friends
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  • Have everything they want, have the money they need?
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  • The parents have the good jobs,
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  • Like everything's going smooth for them.
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  • And i just became very angry.
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  • Like i would hold it in and i was not the type of guy
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  • To really share my feelings.
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  • I mean, i would hold it in,
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  • My parents would ask me, are you doing okay?
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  • Doing okay, i'm okay, i'm okay.
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  • And so i remember getting to this youtube
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  • And like the whole week,
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  • You know, i'm pretty much there for girls.
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  • I'm there for myself, like not caring.
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  • And at the very end, there's actually, pastor david platt.
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  • Oh, it was so i'm preaching at this kind of way
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  • Before he was well known or anything like that.
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  • He's preaching,
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  • And i can't specifically tell you
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  • The word that he preached at night,
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  • But it just
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  • It met me and like, i still didn't know
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  • How to communicate to people, though
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  • I didn't know how to communicate to them, like
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  • None of my
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  • Friends even really knew what was going on.
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  • Like, they didn't know that my brother
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  • Was sneaking out of the house,
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  • And i didn't know if he was alive or dead,
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  • And there were issues going on.
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  • How does your brother so he is older than he's 48.
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  • Okay, so, so,
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  • So about a decade older than a decade older than me.
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  • So i pretty much grew up kind of like an only child here.
  • 00:27:05.719 --> 00:27:08.355
  • But he would come in and out of my life.
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  • And so i remember being so angry.
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  • But the message here being is, i'll go outside
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  • And look at the stars and, you know,
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  • I've always related to like, abraham
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  • And of the bible because just looking at stars,
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  • Hearing from god and and for the first time for me,
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  • I was angry and i let
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  • It out, you know, and
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  • I always say this, it's like god's
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  • Not afraid of your emotions.
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  • You're not afraid of your feelings.
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  • Like you can be real with him.
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  • And i was just very real with him on how bad it hurt.
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  • And it's like,
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  • And i'm sure for your situation, too, it's hard to describe,
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  • But it's like a peace that comes from above.
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  • And as i god, you said, it's going to be okay.
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  • It's going to be okay.
  • 00:27:48.829 --> 00:27:49.996
  • And like for the first time, i was able to communicate
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  • What was going on in my life.
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  • And then i told my friends,
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  • After then they prayed for me.
  • 00:27:57.971 --> 00:28:00.140
  • So would you say to as far as like even going through trials,
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  • Like how important it is, is it to have a community?
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  • Because without community, i feel like it's super easy
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  • To just stay in the past and never move forward.
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  • Yeah.
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  • Man has such a that's such a great question.
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  • And boy yes i think
  • 00:28:18.125 --> 00:28:19.292
  • In a very practical sense like local community. right.
  • 00:28:19.292 --> 00:28:21.428
  • So i got a couple guys that i meet with who are
  • 00:28:21.428 --> 00:28:24.598
  • I've known for decades and they, and they know me
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  • Pretty well and they're,
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  • And they're encouraging and they're exciting.
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  • They're excited and god's doing things in their life,
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  • And they're all in different seasons.
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  • And we've known each other for a while.
  • 00:28:32.439 --> 00:28:34.207
  • And so i have like that community,
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  • Which is very helpful.
  • 00:28:36.143 --> 00:28:36.910
  • How much my,
  • 00:28:36.910 --> 00:28:38.078
  • My local church community, like the folks in my church
  • 00:28:38.078 --> 00:28:39.880
  • That know me, have known me, been around me.
  • 00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.849
  • But like even when we were talking about at lunch
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  • Today, like, i think there's also a community
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  • That that has developed of people who can relate
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  • To what you're going through and can cheer you on.
  • 00:28:51.191 --> 00:28:54.427
  • And then there's this is the trippy part.
  • 00:28:54.427 --> 00:28:56.129
  • And then then there's the loss and the grief
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  • Of the old community
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  • That now doesn't want you doing some of the things
  • 00:29:00.467 --> 00:29:03.904
  • You want to do.
  • 00:29:03.904 --> 00:29:04.838
  • And they're kind of like frowning upon.
  • 00:29:04.838 --> 00:29:06.640
  • So there's folks that like, yeah, like
  • 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:08.842
  • I don't talk to them often because
  • 00:29:08.842 --> 00:29:12.712
  • They remind me of who i was 12 years ago.
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  • All right, guys, that's all the time we have for today.
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  • But i pray that today's message bless your life.
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  • There is a reason you heard this word today.
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  • It's not by mistake.
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  • You're here for a reason and god has a plan for you.
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  • And listen, if you love this church
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  • Is visit our website at bobbie chandler ministries.com.
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  • Into everyone's home as much as we can,
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  • So that they know the love of god.
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  • And i can't wait to see you again very soon. be.
  • 00:30:08.869 --> 00:30:35.595
  • And the
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  • Reason i even bring it up tonight
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  • Is because when it comes to you knowing jesus, the man,
  • 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:44.337
  • The gospel message is all about
  • 00:30:44.337 --> 00:30:47.274
  • Your understanding of the message about the man
  • 00:30:47.274 --> 00:30:51.578
  • Who will inform your methods of getting to know the man. who?
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  • Left his job doesn't work out for me.
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  • What if i move my life by faith and it all just
  • 00:31:28.014 --> 00:31:31.918
  • Crumbles to the ground? what if it works?
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  • What if god shows up and changes your life forever?
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  • But i would rather move by faith
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  • And even fail and fail and fail and know that i follow god.
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  • And i ended up exactly.
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  • Where i needed to be. i'm.
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  • You know what today. is
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  • Pentecost sunday.
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  • Pentecost sunday.
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  • Who? you better
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  • Not ask the holy ghost preacher to preach on pentecost sunday.
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  • I came here to remind you
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  • You need the holy spirit.
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  • We need.
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