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Bobby Chandler - When God Says Move (Part 1)

August 25, 2025 | S1 E27 | 39:52

Bobby Chandler - When God Says Move (Part 1)
Pastor Bobby Chandler has found hope in Jesus and wants as many people as possible to experience that exact same freedom.
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Bobby Chandler: Authentic Church | Bobby Chandler - When God Says Move (Part 1) | August 25, 2025
  • And that assignment is to spread the gospel all over the world.
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  • So today we get to celebrate jesus.
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  • Again, god sends people, visitors, the devil.
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  • And there have been times that we have experienced
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  • Such warfare that i've come home to see my wife out in the yard
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  • With the brand new olive oil that we just bought, like pour
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  • And dump.
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  • That was a nice bottle of olive oil. yeah.
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  • Hey, guys,
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  • This is pastor bobby chandler, and today
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  • We're talking about believing god for the impossible.
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  • Because when you believe god for the impossible,
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  • Authentic faith will always lead to impossible stories.
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  • And so today, we have an incredible guest.
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  • We're so honored to have him
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  • In hickory, north carolina at authentic church church.
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  • Matt tuning is in the building today.
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  • Hey yo yo, he is an amazing father.
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  • He is an amazing, husband.
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  • And he is also the lead pastor of netcast church
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  • All the way in the boston area.
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  • And he has made it to us today.
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  • So i wish we had, like a little sound club.
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  • Yeah, we. do right here. here you go.
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  • Are here.
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  • Man, we're so honored to have you here today.
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  • How are you feeling? i'm feeling great, bro.
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  • So i'm going to be here with you, man.
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  • I've had such a good time this weekend. so awesome, man.
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  • How was your experience yesterday?
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  • Well, you have a great church, bro.
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  • Thank you. you really do.
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  • You're almost seven years old.
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  • You do not have enough room.
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  • You're not?
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  • There are too many people.
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  • Yeah, not enough chairs.
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  • For sure.
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  • You need a bigger building. as we do. yeah.
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  • So if you like to pray and give towards the church
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  • To help us get into a building, you should pray.
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  • You should give towards.
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  • We need you guys doing here.
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  • Yeah. no, but seriously, it was awesome.
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  • People are. the people were the best.
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  • They were attentive. they love the word.
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  • That's what's important to me, honestly.
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  • And you,
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  • They love the word.
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  • And they were dialed in, and so. yeah, it's just awesome.
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  • It's got good people. they love one another.
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  • Well, you know that.
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  • I mean, jesus is pretty clear on that.
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  • That's how you recognize disciples, right?
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  • It's like how they love one. look at the fruit man.
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  • Look at the fruit. and so that's special.
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  • We've been really blessed and really honored.
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  • God has brought in all these people from the area,
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  • But also outside of the area to.
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  • Grow your platform outside of hickory, north
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  • Carolina is larger than the city of hickory north.
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  • It's pretty.
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  • Crazy.
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  • It's wild.
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  • And, you know, it's
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  • We talk about believe the impossible too.
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  • And i think a lot of people think
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  • You have to have all the expensive things
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  • To bring in people.
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  • Like you have to have the big fancy building
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  • And all the tech and all these things.
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  • And so it's cool to me because it's just like,
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  • Like a david story, you know what i mean?
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  • Like something small seems insignificant.
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  • God uses it to bring people in.
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  • Yeah, and reach the world.
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  • And i think that's so encouraging, too.
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  • You know? i mean, pleasure studying.
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  • Not having to be like you,
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  • You know, on the court and everything and more.
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  • We'll see.
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  • I won't look like it stood there, but, but, man.
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  • Okay, let's let's hear your story.
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  • I want to hear, you know, you you started,
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  • Church planning from scratch.
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  • Yeah. and so what was that like?
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  • How did you get there?
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  • Like, what's the origin story there?
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  • All right, so, so i became believer when i was in college.
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  • And, i had never met a christian up until i got to college.
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  • I never thought i would ever be in ministry at all.
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  • That was never a part of, like, the the plan.
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  • Even after i became a believer, i thought i would just.
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  • I was going to graduate with a business
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  • Degree, climb the corporate ladder.
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  • My dad,
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  • That was his journey.
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  • I always thought that i've kind of following those footsteps.
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  • And so,
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  • But when,
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  • We had moved from boston to north carolina
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  • For only only five years.
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  • And so,
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  • It was in that period of time where i felt like the lord began
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  • Because it started with dreams.
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  • You know,
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  • I had never really experienced anything like this,
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  • But we started i started having the same dream,
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  • And i had it five nights in a row.
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  • Really? yeah.
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  • And, we were in the boston area because boston was my territory
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  • When i was in sales back living out there. and so,
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  • Yeah, i mean, we had the same dream five nights in a row.
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  • I said to my wife on the fifth night, like, babe,
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  • If we were going to start a church
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  • Somewhere, where would it be?
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  • Because,
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  • You know, she needs to be all bought in.
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  • And even at that time, though, it wasn't even like a thing.
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  • It was just a dream.
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  • And not like a desired dream. but five nights in a row.
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  • Five nights was weird.
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  • Yeah, yeah.
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  • And so she said it probably.
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  • Boston rolled her eyes and i was like, crap,
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  • I gotta tell you about these dreams.
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  • And so, so, so like, yeah, she knew.
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  • Like she knew,
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  • You know, the the landscape in boston is different.
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  • You know, it's one of the least rich regions.
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  • The united states of all time.
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  • We got more witches,
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  • In my neighborhood than we probably do christians.
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  • Right next to salem, massachusetts.
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  • And so we bought her salem and.
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  • Yeah, that's witch city.
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  • And so it's really, really different, dude, the the
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  • The demonic headquarters
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  • Or satanic headquarters of america right over there.
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  • Yeah. it's like three miles from our home.
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  • So we're just like. it's just different, bro.
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  • What does that look like?
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  • The actual building.
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  • Like when you when you drive through that area, like,
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  • You see things like dc, which is on the street like.
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  • Yeah. so it's like like regular people.
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  • Like regular people, bro. yeah.
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  • I mean like, yes, it's weird.
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  • So when you're actually in salem.
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  • So the potter. yeah.
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  • Yeah a little bit, a little bit.
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  • If you drive through salem,
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  • You're going to get a lot of witch like, lots of,
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  • Like, skeletons and antichrist and like, things like that.
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  • It's all in windows.
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  • It's marketable. right.
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  • And that's like what they're known for. okay.
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  • So you're going to get a lot of that,
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  • And then you have a lot of people who practice wiccan.
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  • Right?
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  • It's kind of like voodoo in haiti or new orleans
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  • And stuff like that.
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  • And so, yeah,
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  • That's kind of the that's kind of the mindset in that area.
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  • Now, i also would say it's interesting where i live,
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  • You know, new england, it's almost like god fearing jews.
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  • You know, when you read the scriptures
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  • Where it's like people who believe in god,
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  • They have an understanding and a belief system
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  • That there's something more than just, nothing out there.
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  • But they don't know how to relate to the lord,
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  • And they don't know who jesus is, right?
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  • I mean, we've had people.
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  • I had a guy come up to me one time was we were doing baptisms.
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  • Yeah.
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  • And, and,
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  • I can't remember why.
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  • No, it wasn't baptism. i'm sorry.
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  • We were doing baby dedications, is what it was.
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  • Okay, we're doing baby dedications one sunday,
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  • And so we were given all these families.
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  • The jesus storybook bible had a guy come up to me
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  • After service and was like, yo,
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  • Dude, can i get one of those books?
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  • And i was like, bro, you're 40 years old.
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  • And, he's like, no, not, not like the one
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  • That you were given to the kids,
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  • But like the, the real one, the one that you read from.
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  • And i was like, yeah bro.
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  • Are you talking about the bible.
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  • Bible, the bible wrote. can i have that?
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  • Yeah. can i? yeah.
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  • Go get you. bro. here, take this one.
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  • You know, like.
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  • Yeah, but that is our that that's our context, dude.
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  • It's it's way different.
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  • I didn't know it was that wild before i moved there.
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  • Yeah.
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  • You know, even having lived in new jersey
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  • And new york growing up,
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  • I didn't really have missionary eyes.
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  • Yeah. when?
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  • When i was living out there and living in boston, even,
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  • In college, i didn't see the world
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  • Through the lens of, like, missions.
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  • And so going back with, you know,
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  • Contextualize to understand my context was wild.
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  • When we went back to plant.
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  • And so. yeah.
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  • So so you have these dreams. yeah.
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  • Five nights in a row.
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  • Talk to your wife. she says boston. yeah.
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  • So we went, you know,
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  • We were a part of a really good church at that time.
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  • I submitted that that idea.
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  • I wouldn't even call it a calling it at that point.
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  • Yeah, okay, i submitted that idea.
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  • I'm a big believer in, kind of the best position to be in is a
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  • Position of submission.
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  • And i think that there's a lot of power in that,
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  • Where, you know, there's a council of many
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  • There's a lot of wisdom in there.
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  • And so we just kind of submitted that call,
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  • That idea to some people.
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  • And, my pastor, an associate pastor, my father
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  • In law, who was also, a pastor for a long time.
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  • Okay.
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  • And also, who, oh, my, a college pastor of mine. so.
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  • So your wife said there is ministry.
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  • Yeah. so, yeah, she grew up in the.
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  • Her dad was a nazarene pastor in quincy.
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  • Okay. i'm sorry.
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  • No, no, in, in it was warwick, new york.
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  • I was i heard that, and he was there for a long time.
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  • He was a pastor for, like, 28 years. good man.
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  • Wow. okay. like good dude, you know, like,
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  • And so having, you know, it different, right?
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  • Nazarene theology is very different.
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  • Their, their practice and their philosophy of ministry
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  • Is different.
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  • He was a little bit of a maverick
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  • Within the nazarene denomination, right?
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  • So he didn't always follow all those rules and all that, but.
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  • Yeah, but a good dude nonetheless.
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  • And, and having him in our corner was helpful, but.
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  • Yeah, but i also submitted that call to them
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  • And was like, listen, we don't ever want to do this.
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  • I mean, at that point, i was i was 23 years old, 24,
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  • You know. yeah, about 24 years old.
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  • You know, i probably had
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  • I was already making like six figures,
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  • Bought a house, had the car like a couple cars, you.
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  • Know, like. building a family that like, it was like, great.
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  • We did not want to move.
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  • It wasn't like it wasn't out of ambition.
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  • I did not want a pastor. i did not want a plant.
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  • That was not a desire of ours at all. like at all.
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  • I cannot overemphasize that.
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  • Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  • And so it was clearly the lord let us as a matter of fact we
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  • After feeling
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  • After kind of being released by some of those men,
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  • We connected with, we were trying to figure out
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  • What should we do next.
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  • And at that point in time, this was back in 2000, in
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  • Probably 2008,
  • 00:09:15.145 --> 00:09:17.548
  • 2007, 2008, and so back then, like the up and coming networks
  • 00:09:17.548 --> 00:09:22.653
  • Within the church planting world was you had yet acts 29 yeah.
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  • You also had, what's the one at a highlands?
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  • And i was doing my train of thought.
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  • Art. yeah. yeah. arts. yeah.
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  • I thought. yeah.
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  • Thank you.
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  • So, back then, back then the back then you had
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  • At 29, you had ark
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  • You had the exponential conference.
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  • And other than that,
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  • You really didn't have many networks
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  • That were really helping you.
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  • You had the north american mission board
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  • That was doing some stuff out of the sbc. but
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  • But we wanted somebody to tell us
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  • No, that we weren't qualified. and so.
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  • We. were like, we were looking for a no, seriously.
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  • Tell me to go back home. yeah.
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  • And so we hooked up.
  • 00:10:06.630 --> 00:10:07.665
  • So back then, you know, ark was willing.
  • 00:10:07.665 --> 00:10:10.634
  • I did an interview with ark, and ark was willing to send us
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  • And basically pull us into their fold, give us money.
  • 00:10:13.337 --> 00:10:16.340
  • But a lot of their questions, were different than acts 29
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  • Ark was looking at, like,
  • 00:10:20.811 --> 00:10:22.546
  • Not necessarily like biblical literacy.
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  • I'm not trying to say that they didn't
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  • Care about any of that or theology.
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  • All that they did, it was just their
  • 00:10:27.117 --> 00:10:29.386
  • Their emphasis was different, right?
  • 00:10:29.386 --> 00:10:31.422
  • They were, you know, can you preach and teach the word?
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  • Do you you know, obviously love people?
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  • Yeah.
  • 00:10:38.529 --> 00:10:39.463
  • It was just, it was just different, bro.
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  • But acts 29, dude. yeah.
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  • What was that like?
  • 00:10:42.533 --> 00:10:43.634
  • Bro, i feel like i know, you know, especially then
  • 00:10:43.634 --> 00:10:48.072
  • I had to be a brutal process yet also, like,
  • 00:10:48.072 --> 00:10:52.342
  • It's going to mature you.
  • 00:10:52.342 --> 00:10:53.544
  • It was the sanctifying process.
  • 00:10:53.544 --> 00:10:56.180
  • Hard core in a good way.
  • 00:10:56.180 --> 00:10:57.648
  • You know, most.
  • 00:10:57.648 --> 00:10:58.882
  • Sanctifying process of like season of life probably i've,
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  • I've ever had or one of really. yeah.
  • 00:11:02.219 --> 00:11:04.588
  • I mean they get into the nitty gritty of everything.
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  • So you obviously you, you almost feel like
  • 00:11:06.790 --> 00:11:09.960
  • You have to test
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  • Out theologically, which was good
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  • Because i hadn't gone to seminary
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  • And i didn't want to be a heretic.
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  • So i really value that. that was important to me. yeah.
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  • So i wanted to make sure,
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  • You know, that i, i knew i knew the scriptures.
  • 00:11:19.303 --> 00:11:21.371
  • A guy by the name of josh patterson years ago who's,
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  • One of the pastors over at the village church,
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  • He had told me years before we were even moving to plant,
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  • He was like,
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  • If you're going to go plant a church in boston,
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  • You need to know what you believe
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  • And why you believe it.
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  • I mean, for some reason that haunted me.
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  • I wanted to know
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  • Not just what to believe, but why i believe what i believe.
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  • Yeah.
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  • And having not gone to seminary
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  • And and been, like, theologically trained
  • 00:11:42.392 --> 00:11:45.496
  • In a formal setting, i was nervous about that. so,
  • 00:11:45.496 --> 00:11:49.466
  • So anyway, so acts 29 seemed like the best bet for us.
  • 00:11:49.466 --> 00:11:52.703
  • That process, bro, was like almost three years long.
  • 00:11:52.703 --> 00:11:55.606
  • So it was you do a year's worth of like,
  • 00:11:55.606 --> 00:11:58.342
  • Kind of remote assessment where you're, like, filling out
  • 00:11:59.476 --> 00:12:01.912
  • Paperwork and getting them all the information that they want,
  • 00:12:01.912 --> 00:12:04.114
  • Their check out references, they're doing all that stuff.
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  • And then it's like, and then you go
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  • And you do a year's worth of, like in-person stuff.
  • 00:12:07.785 --> 00:12:12.089
  • So you meet with people
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  • And then you go to this boot camp,
  • 00:12:13.056 --> 00:12:14.291
  • And he's down at this boot camp, and you meet with some people
  • 00:12:14.291 --> 00:12:17.027
  • And bro.
  • 00:12:17.027 --> 00:12:17.561
  • But i'm telling you,
  • 00:12:17.561 --> 00:12:18.529
  • They get into everything they want to know.
  • 00:12:18.529 --> 00:12:20.564
  • I mean, uncomfortable stuff.
  • 00:12:20.564 --> 00:12:21.865
  • Every dollar you spent, they wanted to know
  • 00:12:21.865 --> 00:12:24.034
  • How we handle our income.
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  • They wanted to know how we how we handle generosity.
  • 00:12:25.169 --> 00:12:27.271
  • They wanted to know about our sex life
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  • And in our marriage and
  • 00:12:29.406 --> 00:12:30.941
  • And like, is there enjoyment and freedom in your sex life?
  • 00:12:30.941 --> 00:12:33.777
  • I'm like, bro, like, this is like,
  • 00:12:33.777 --> 00:12:35.279
  • This is this is like you said.
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  • Yeah. like, yeah.
  • 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:37.514
  • This is like super intense and but nonetheless,
  • 00:12:37.514 --> 00:12:41.385
  • Coming out of that process they had given us
  • 00:12:41.385 --> 00:12:43.554
  • Then from there, about a year's worth of,
  • 00:12:43.554 --> 00:12:46.523
  • They give us, i think, like a yellow light.
  • 00:12:46.523 --> 00:12:48.525
  • And the one of the things that was interesting
  • 00:12:48.525 --> 00:12:50.294
  • That they said to me was you could go and plant a church
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  • In the greater boston area, and it will be successful
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  • And it'll be the worst thing for you.
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  • Think about.
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  • That. okay. what is it that.
  • 00:12:59.303 --> 00:13:01.071
  • I think that there was some arrogance.
  • 00:13:01.071 --> 00:13:02.973
  • I think that there they, they were aware of some
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  • Father issues.
  • 00:13:08.946 --> 00:13:09.713
  • I didn't,
  • 00:13:09.713 --> 00:13:10.681
  • I didn't realize i have like mother issues
  • 00:13:10.681 --> 00:13:13.217
  • That i didn't realize i had marital issues, i didn't
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  • We didn't really recognize that we had.
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  • Yeah.
  • 00:13:18.055 --> 00:13:19.323
  • Theologically, i remember they said, you understand
  • 00:13:19.323 --> 00:13:22.726
  • The gospel for salvation, but not sanctification.
  • 00:13:22.726 --> 00:13:25.963
  • And so they wanted me to
  • 00:13:25.963 --> 00:13:27.598
  • Kind of lean into how the gospel doesn't just impact,
  • 00:13:27.598 --> 00:13:31.268
  • You know, yes, i'm saved, but every day i need to come
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  • To the cross and recognize who i am in light of his grace.
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  • Yeah.
  • 00:13:38.208 --> 00:13:39.109
  • And like, see the gospel transform me.
  • 00:13:39.109 --> 00:13:41.478
  • And it's not just hard work and it's not just discipline.
  • 00:13:41.478 --> 00:13:44.114
  • And so, you know, they were they were very honest and raw.
  • 00:13:44.114 --> 00:13:47.651
  • And so we took a year, a year, bro, that was hard.
  • 00:13:47.651 --> 00:13:51.989
  • But we had already said, regardless what they say,
  • 00:13:51.989 --> 00:13:55.626
  • We're going to believe that
  • 00:13:55.626 --> 00:13:56.894
  • The lord is going to speak through them.
  • 00:13:56.894 --> 00:13:58.695
  • And so we're going to trust,
  • 00:13:58.695 --> 00:14:00.631
  • You know, you have to make a decision sometimes,
  • 00:14:00.631 --> 00:14:02.599
  • You know, the best decision you make are pre decisions, right?
  • 00:14:02.599 --> 00:14:04.635
  • Yeah.
  • 00:14:04.635 --> 00:14:05.469
  • You're deciding to make a hard decision
  • 00:14:05.469 --> 00:14:06.436
  • Before that hard decision needs to be made.
  • 00:14:06.436 --> 00:14:08.739
  • And so i think we made that hard decision beforehand.
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  • Yeah.
  • 00:14:10.941 --> 00:14:12.042
  • And so we said lord whatever you speak through them
  • 00:14:12.042 --> 00:14:14.144
  • We're going to believe that is your voice.
  • 00:14:14.144 --> 00:14:15.879
  • You know, we're going to submit to it.
  • 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:16.947
  • And so it was really hard.
  • 00:14:16.947 --> 00:14:18.348
  • We disagreed with some stuff, to be honest.
  • 00:14:18.348 --> 00:14:20.217
  • Yeah.
  • 00:14:20.217 --> 00:14:20.784
  • You know, there was the
  • 00:14:20.784 --> 00:14:21.885
  • You know, it's like, i don't know if like i properly
  • 00:14:21.885 --> 00:14:24.388
  • Like represented myself, you know what i'm saying.
  • 00:14:24.388 --> 00:14:26.990
  • Yeah. yeah, yeah.
  • 00:14:26.990 --> 00:14:27.724
  • And like an interview i mean.
  • 00:14:27.724 --> 00:14:29.493
  • Yeah it is to a degree.
  • 00:14:29.493 --> 00:14:31.028
  • But you also
  • 00:14:31.028 --> 00:14:32.329
  • You got to be battling in your head like,
  • 00:14:32.329 --> 00:14:33.931
  • This is what god told me to do.
  • 00:14:33.931 --> 00:14:35.866
  • Yes. what god showed me is yes.
  • 00:14:35.866 --> 00:14:38.068
  • Like, was there a little bit of struggle,
  • 00:14:38.068 --> 00:14:41.004
  • Internal struggle of like, don't tell me not to do this.
  • 00:14:41.004 --> 00:14:44.975
  • Don't tell me to wait,
  • 00:14:44.975 --> 00:14:46.043
  • Because god's already given me the green light.
  • 00:14:46.043 --> 00:14:48.278
  • Yes, it's a great question. agree.
  • 00:14:48.278 --> 00:14:50.647
  • I would say.
  • 00:14:50.981 --> 00:14:56.053
  • I wonder what my wife would say, to be honest,
  • 00:14:56.987 --> 00:14:59.122
  • Because i would say no.
  • 00:14:59.122 --> 00:15:00.324
  • And here's why. okay.
  • 00:15:00.324 --> 00:15:03.360
  • We were pretty content in planting a church.
  • 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.830
  • Wasn't something that we felt like we had to do,
  • 00:15:06.830 --> 00:15:08.865
  • Although we did believe god was calling us to it.
  • 00:15:08.865 --> 00:15:11.902
  • We weren't afraid of a no.
  • 00:15:12.469 --> 00:15:13.971
  • We were.
  • 00:15:13.971 --> 00:15:14.871
  • We would have been a little disappointed.
  • 00:15:14.871 --> 00:15:17.774
  • But i also
  • 00:15:17.774 --> 00:15:18.842
  • I also believe
  • 00:15:18.842 --> 00:15:19.810
  • That there was still a lot of work that
  • 00:15:19.810 --> 00:15:21.645
  • God needed to do in my own life.
  • 00:15:21.645 --> 00:15:23.113
  • I just didn't know necessarily what it was.
  • 00:15:23.113 --> 00:15:24.481
  • You know, we walk around blind, bro.
  • 00:15:24.481 --> 00:15:26.183
  • Like, there's stuff in your life.
  • 00:15:26.183 --> 00:15:27.217
  • In my life right now. yeah, bro, we are unaware of.
  • 00:15:27.217 --> 00:15:29.886
  • Exactly.
  • 00:15:29.886 --> 00:15:30.721
  • And it's so, so scary to think about
  • 00:15:30.721 --> 00:15:34.291
  • It is my wife mentioned this last night.
  • 00:15:34.291 --> 00:15:35.993
  • We were having dinner and she was like, i wonder
  • 00:15:35.993 --> 00:15:39.162
  • What i'm unaware of right now
  • 00:15:39.162 --> 00:15:40.664
  • When it comes to like, our relationship.
  • 00:15:40.664 --> 00:15:42.366
  • Like things that bother me, but i don't realize it
  • 00:15:42.366 --> 00:15:44.568
  • Bothers me and i don't speak it yet.
  • 00:15:44.568 --> 00:15:46.203
  • Like there's all that stuff is in us.
  • 00:15:46.203 --> 00:15:47.771
  • Yeah. and so.
  • 00:15:47.771 --> 00:15:49.573
  • So. yeah. so i don't know.
  • 00:15:49.573 --> 00:15:50.640
  • Yeah. that was a weird it was a weird season.
  • 00:15:50.640 --> 00:15:52.609
  • And you know, a lot of people don't realize this.
  • 00:15:52.609 --> 00:15:55.479
  • And i've at least i've seen it in my whole life.
  • 00:15:55.479 --> 00:15:57.180
  • It's like you're unaware
  • 00:15:57.180 --> 00:15:58.582
  • Of those things in your life until it comes.
  • 00:15:58.582 --> 00:16:00.951
  • Nobody wants a trial.
  • 00:16:00.951 --> 00:16:02.185
  • Yeah.
  • 00:16:02.185 --> 00:16:02.552
  • Sometimes
  • 00:16:02.552 --> 00:16:03.787
  • The trial is grace from god because it allows you to see.
  • 00:16:03.787 --> 00:16:06.056
  • Okay, that's where my faith really is.
  • 00:16:06.056 --> 00:16:07.791
  • Yeah. it squeezes you like i thought it was good. yeah.
  • 00:16:07.791 --> 00:16:10.260
  • It was praising jesus on sunday mornings.
  • 00:16:10.260 --> 00:16:12.629
  • But now when you're talking about giving up my money
  • 00:16:12.629 --> 00:16:15.432
  • And you're talking about me moving.
  • 00:16:15.432 --> 00:16:17.300
  • Yeah, sacrificing,
  • 00:16:17.300 --> 00:16:18.702
  • Dealing with people. and maybe you're thinking,
  • 00:16:18.702 --> 00:16:20.437
  • I don't even like people that much.
  • 00:16:20.437 --> 00:16:22.606
  • Like. like i hate god, you know?
  • 00:16:22.606 --> 00:16:24.875
  • And it's it's hard. yeah. and that's.
  • 00:16:24.875 --> 00:16:26.710
  • So god will show you where your faith is.
  • 00:16:26.710 --> 00:16:29.613
  • And i think for a lot of people right now, like
  • 00:16:29.613 --> 00:16:32.082
  • They hear the dream from god
  • 00:16:32.082 --> 00:16:33.550
  • And they think it's going to be tomorrow,
  • 00:16:33.550 --> 00:16:35.385
  • They think it's going to be next month.
  • 00:16:35.385 --> 00:16:36.887
  • You know, like, god forbid, it's going to be a year.
  • 00:16:36.887 --> 00:16:38.922
  • That's that's a long time. maybe i can do that.
  • 00:16:38.922 --> 00:16:41.691
  • But some people don't know, like, god may give you a dream
  • 00:16:41.691 --> 00:16:44.127
  • And it may be like seven years later. yeah.
  • 00:16:44.127 --> 00:16:46.563
  • Before it even starts.
  • 00:16:46.563 --> 00:16:48.598
  • And are you humble enough to obey the lord
  • 00:16:48.598 --> 00:16:51.935
  • And serve with that humility?
  • 00:16:51.935 --> 00:16:53.270
  • So, man, i give you props on that
  • 00:16:53.270 --> 00:16:54.738
  • Because, you know,
  • 00:16:54.738 --> 00:16:55.972
  • I know when god speaks, it's like you want to go
  • 00:16:55.972 --> 00:16:58.208
  • And i know what type of person i get excited.
  • 00:16:58.208 --> 00:17:00.010
  • Like sometimes i have learned from past mistakes
  • 00:17:00.010 --> 00:17:04.347
  • And our staff as well.
  • 00:17:04.347 --> 00:17:05.582
  • Like, i gotta be careful
  • 00:17:05.582 --> 00:17:06.983
  • The things that i say out loud just because i'm excited
  • 00:17:06.983 --> 00:17:09.286
  • Because i don't know everything coming yet.
  • 00:17:09.286 --> 00:17:11.755
  • Yeah, sometimes to the people around
  • 00:17:11.755 --> 00:17:13.223
  • You can't discern what is.
  • 00:17:13.223 --> 00:17:15.258
  • You envisioning something
  • 00:17:15.258 --> 00:17:16.560
  • And just
  • 00:17:16.560 --> 00:17:17.527
  • Speaking and dreaming versus what is reality
  • 00:17:17.527 --> 00:17:19.529
  • That needs to be implemented now.
  • 00:17:19.529 --> 00:17:20.831
  • So it's really hard, especially when you got a team.
  • 00:17:20.831 --> 00:17:22.666
  • You lead a team, right? yeah. yeah.
  • 00:17:22.666 --> 00:17:23.900
  • Because they don't know.
  • 00:17:23.900 --> 00:17:25.102
  • They're like, okay, pastor bobby wants me to go do that.
  • 00:17:25.102 --> 00:17:26.536
  • And you're like, no, bro, that was just an idea.
  • 00:17:26.536 --> 00:17:28.371
  • It was just an idea. you know, saying.
  • 00:17:28.371 --> 00:17:30.507
  • Yeah to like, look at joseph like that.
  • 00:17:30.507 --> 00:17:32.142
  • Everybody's going to be for you.
  • 00:17:32.142 --> 00:17:33.610
  • Like you have the dream.
  • 00:17:33.610 --> 00:17:34.711
  • But you know, people may think you're cocky
  • 00:17:34.711 --> 00:17:36.580
  • Because of the dream or like, you had to put that.
  • 00:17:36.580 --> 00:17:38.648
  • Did you put you in it?
  • 00:17:38.648 --> 00:17:40.016
  • Did a mom
  • 00:17:40.016 --> 00:17:41.084
  • Put you down there and try to kill you, you know, and
  • 00:17:41.084 --> 00:17:43.587
  • And so you gotta trust the lord. so. okay.
  • 00:17:43.587 --> 00:17:45.055
  • So after that process. yeah. what happens from there?
  • 00:17:45.055 --> 00:17:47.791
  • Okay.
  • 00:17:47.791 --> 00:17:48.024
  • So we,
  • 00:17:48.024 --> 00:17:49.059
  • We wanted one of the things
  • 00:17:49.059 --> 00:17:50.227
  • That x 129 came back and asked us to
  • 00:17:50.227 --> 00:17:51.862
  • Do was to, was to leave the church that we were at.
  • 00:17:51.862 --> 00:17:55.832
  • Which was so hard because that's where
  • 00:17:55.832 --> 00:17:57.667
  • We had so many relationships.
  • 00:17:57.667 --> 00:17:59.503
  • And it wasn't that that was a bad church at all.
  • 00:17:59.503 --> 00:18:01.438
  • But i remember they asked me
  • 00:18:01.438 --> 00:18:02.572
  • The question, they said when you moved to greater boston
  • 00:18:02.572 --> 00:18:06.409
  • To start something from nothing, how are you going to do it?
  • 00:18:06.409 --> 00:18:09.880
  • And i didn't really have an answer.
  • 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.149
  • Right, because i was going to a church
  • 00:18:12.149 --> 00:18:13.383
  • That was pretty attraction.
  • 00:18:13.383 --> 00:18:15.585
  • You know, lights and sound and, you know, they,
  • 00:18:15.585 --> 00:18:19.189
  • They had a building, they had all those things. and,
  • 00:18:19.189 --> 00:18:22.626
  • I didn't really know how to reach people yet.
  • 00:18:23.560 --> 00:18:26.763
  • And so,
  • 00:18:26.763 --> 00:18:28.465
  • So they encouraged us to move, not move like,
  • 00:18:28.465 --> 00:18:30.967
  • But not literally physically move like our home,
  • 00:18:30.967 --> 00:18:33.770
  • But like to move to a different church.
  • 00:18:33.770 --> 00:18:35.205
  • That was actually a church plant.
  • 00:18:35.205 --> 00:18:36.273
  • So we,
  • 00:18:36.273 --> 00:18:37.274
  • We started going to this church plant somewhere
  • 00:18:37.274 --> 00:18:39.075
  • In winston-salem, north carolina.
  • 00:18:39.075 --> 00:18:40.644
  • We were there for about a year.
  • 00:18:40.644 --> 00:18:42.045
  • They called me in turn by and do anything for me
  • 00:18:42.045 --> 00:18:44.047
  • Except like, come on sundays as well. yeah, yeah.
  • 00:18:44.047 --> 00:18:46.716
  • And that experience was interesting too.
  • 00:18:46.716 --> 00:18:49.186
  • The thing that i opened up
  • 00:18:49.186 --> 00:18:50.353
  • My eyes to, though, was the value of community
  • 00:18:50.353 --> 00:18:54.124
  • Missional living.
  • 00:18:54.124 --> 00:18:56.159
  • You know, solid theology. yeah.
  • 00:18:56.159 --> 00:18:58.361
  • And it was really a good experience.
  • 00:18:59.129 --> 00:19:01.998
  • And so when we moved to plant netcast about a year after that,
  • 00:19:01.998 --> 00:19:05.435
  • I think that we moved with a solid balance
  • 00:19:06.336 --> 00:19:08.505
  • Where i was like, man, do we want to be
  • 00:19:08.505 --> 00:19:10.574
  • Like the opposite of attraction as an attraction?
  • 00:19:10.574 --> 00:19:13.276
  • Right.
  • 00:19:13.276 --> 00:19:14.144
  • And there was this big, big
  • 00:19:14.144 --> 00:19:15.278
  • Like all this talk about ten years ago
  • 00:19:15.278 --> 00:19:17.447
  • About missional or attraction or missional or attraction
  • 00:19:17.447 --> 00:19:19.816
  • Or missional communities, attraction or church like sunday
  • 00:19:19.816 --> 00:19:23.220
  • Or during the week.
  • 00:19:23.220 --> 00:19:23.920
  • There was all this
  • 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:24.988
  • And it was like, yeah, i think both are important.
  • 00:19:24.988 --> 00:19:26.723
  • They're like two wings to a plane.
  • 00:19:26.723 --> 00:19:28.058
  • You need both of them, right? you need both.
  • 00:19:28.058 --> 00:19:29.693
  • Yeah. let's go.
  • 00:19:29.693 --> 00:19:31.394
  • You can't just have one.
  • 00:19:31.394 --> 00:19:32.195
  • And so
  • 00:19:32.195 --> 00:19:33.330
  • And so we kind of came and moved to the boston area
  • 00:19:33.330 --> 00:19:35.498
  • With some what we believe was some balance.
  • 00:19:35.498 --> 00:19:38.101
  • And we also move with the mindset, dude, when we,
  • 00:19:38.101 --> 00:19:41.771
  • When we were trying to plant the church,
  • 00:19:41.771 --> 00:19:43.373
  • It was not really planting a church.
  • 00:19:43.373 --> 00:19:45.075
  • We saw ourselves as missionaries.
  • 00:19:45.075 --> 00:19:46.610
  • It was like, plant the gospel.
  • 00:19:46.610 --> 00:19:47.911
  • Yeah.
  • 00:19:47.911 --> 00:19:48.912
  • Like, you know, just tell everybody about jesus
  • 00:19:48.912 --> 00:19:50.347
  • And connect them to yourself for each other.
  • 00:19:50.347 --> 00:19:52.382
  • That was like it.
  • 00:19:52.382 --> 00:19:53.483
  • Did you know how bad it would be out there like before?
  • 00:19:53.483 --> 00:19:55.518
  • You even know? i mean, i wasn't really
  • 00:19:55.518 --> 00:19:59.122
  • Know, but we went there with the intention
  • 00:19:59.990 --> 00:20:02.125
  • Of like, learning this context. right?
  • 00:20:02.125 --> 00:20:04.628
  • And so i remember i sat down when we first got out there,
  • 00:20:04.628 --> 00:20:07.430
  • I had to try to figure out what are these people believe.
  • 00:20:07.430 --> 00:20:09.799
  • And so i had set up, i had set up
  • 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:11.935
  • Facebook was like a big deal back then.
  • 00:20:11.935 --> 00:20:13.637
  • Instagram hadn't come out.
  • 00:20:13.637 --> 00:20:14.704
  • There wasn't all these apps, right.
  • 00:20:14.704 --> 00:20:15.805
  • But the facebook was where it was at.
  • 00:20:15.805 --> 00:20:17.173
  • Yeah.
  • 00:20:17.173 --> 00:20:18.008
  • And facebook would have these like
  • 00:20:18.008 --> 00:20:20.377
  • It's like they would have like these city pages, right.
  • 00:20:20.377 --> 00:20:23.880
  • And you would think it always look like somebody
  • 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.182
  • From the city, like the mayor's office runs this page.
  • 00:20:26.182 --> 00:20:28.551
  • It wasn't due to some, like, you know, oversize
  • 00:20:28.551 --> 00:20:30.620
  • Dude in his underwear during the week.
  • 00:20:30.620 --> 00:20:31.788
  • You know what i'm saying? just doing his thing.
  • 00:20:31.788 --> 00:20:33.857
  • And so i started.
  • 00:20:33.857 --> 00:20:35.191
  • Yeah, bro.
  • 00:20:35.191 --> 00:20:35.825
  • I started spam and started
  • 00:20:35.825 --> 00:20:37.127
  • Spamming these pages about, like, i'm doing this project.
  • 00:20:37.127 --> 00:20:39.796
  • And i always
  • 00:20:39.796 --> 00:20:40.764
  • I looked at that time, i looked super young.
  • 00:20:40.764 --> 00:20:42.032
  • I don't look as young as i, i wa
  • 00:20:42.032 --> 00:20:44.934
  • And so i was doing this project and i had questions.
  • 00:20:45.969 --> 00:20:49.005
  • And can you help me with this project? i'll buy you lunch.
  • 00:20:49.005 --> 00:20:51.641
  • And anybody who would respond to it would be like, yeah,
  • 00:20:51.641 --> 00:20:54.744
  • I was saying i needed to interview
  • 00:20:54.744 --> 00:20:56.513
  • Some people about things
  • 00:20:56.513 --> 00:20:57.614
  • That revolved around like spirituality and religion,
  • 00:20:57.614 --> 00:21:00.617
  • And i'll buy you a coffee if you sit down and help me
  • 00:21:00.617 --> 00:21:02.952
  • With this project. i'm doing it. so yeah. so bro.
  • 00:21:02.952 --> 00:21:05.322
  • And so for hours a day i would sit in a coffee shop
  • 00:21:05.322 --> 00:21:09.826
  • Or buy coffee and i would ask three questions.
  • 00:21:09.826 --> 00:21:12.862
  • What do you believe?
  • 00:21:12.862 --> 00:21:14.597
  • Why do you believe it?
  • 00:21:14.597 --> 00:21:16.199
  • And how is that belief system
  • 00:21:16.199 --> 00:21:17.467
  • Change your life whatsoever at all?
  • 00:21:17.467 --> 00:21:19.336
  • Like how.
  • 00:21:19.336 --> 00:21:20.103
  • Yeah.
  • 00:21:20.103 --> 00:21:21.137
  • And to hear people stumble over their beliefs.
  • 00:21:21.137 --> 00:21:24.974
  • Yeah. was mind blowing to me.
  • 00:21:24.974 --> 00:21:28.578
  • The contradictions in the
  • 00:21:29.145 --> 00:21:30.947
  • Things that they believe just overly emphasized
  • 00:21:30.947 --> 00:21:33.149
  • The fact that they have no idea what they believe.
  • 00:21:33.149 --> 00:21:34.918
  • They never think about it.
  • 00:21:34.918 --> 00:21:36.219
  • Well, and that's why i call them like god fearing jews.
  • 00:21:36.219 --> 00:21:40.156
  • A lot of people believe in god, believe in spirituality,
  • 00:21:40.156 --> 00:21:45.362
  • But are anti-religion or yeah, they believe in a higher power.
  • 00:21:45.362 --> 00:21:51.401
  • And if something's. there, yeah.
  • 00:21:52.035 --> 00:21:53.870
  • They just don't know.
  • 00:21:53.870 --> 00:21:55.372
  • They don't know god, they don't know who he is.
  • 00:21:55.372 --> 00:21:56.940
  • They don't know the lord. right.
  • 00:21:56.940 --> 00:21:58.508
  • And so when you the more
  • 00:21:58.508 --> 00:22:00.043
  • You would ask questions like, well, why do you believe that?
  • 00:22:00.043 --> 00:22:03.380
  • The more you would see people like, unwind,
  • 00:22:04.247 --> 00:22:07.984
  • And not really be able to put language to why
  • 00:22:07.984 --> 00:22:10.553
  • They believe the things that they believe?
  • 00:22:10.553 --> 00:22:12.389
  • Yeah. and man.
  • 00:22:12.389 --> 00:22:14.090
  • But it just opened up my eyes.
  • 00:22:14.090 --> 00:22:17.160
  • Yeah.
  • 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:18.027
  • I'm getting chills thinking about it
  • 00:22:18.027 --> 00:22:19.028
  • Even right now, because my context is so broken
  • 00:22:19.028 --> 00:22:22.198
  • And and lost.
  • 00:22:22.198 --> 00:22:23.600
  • And i use the word loss intentionally.
  • 00:22:23.600 --> 00:22:25.435
  • Not bad.
  • 00:22:25.435 --> 00:22:27.170
  • Not evil lost.
  • 00:22:27.170 --> 00:22:30.106
  • Yeah. they don't.
  • 00:22:30.106 --> 00:22:31.875
  • They don't know the lord.
  • 00:22:31.875 --> 00:22:34.277
  • They want purpose.
  • 00:22:34.277 --> 00:22:36.146
  • They want understanding.
  • 00:22:36.146 --> 00:22:37.580
  • But the world has told them a lot of lies
  • 00:22:38.481 --> 00:22:40.049
  • That they believe in. yeah, they don't know where they are.
  • 00:22:40.049 --> 00:22:42.051
  • And i think,
  • 00:22:42.051 --> 00:22:43.119
  • You know, and you don't have to go into
  • 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:44.354
  • Every detail, but you can relate to that
  • 00:22:44.354 --> 00:22:46.356
  • From your own for sure. and and story too.
  • 00:22:46.356 --> 00:22:48.725
  • So does that mean a lot to you like hearing their,
  • 00:22:48.725 --> 00:22:51.161
  • Their questions and kind of feeling loss.
  • 00:22:51.161 --> 00:22:52.996
  • And maybe you're thinking on the inside like i like to yeah.
  • 00:22:52.996 --> 00:22:56.499
  • I mean like i get emotional thinking about it
  • 00:22:56.499 --> 00:22:58.635
  • Because that's my own story, right?
  • 00:22:58.635 --> 00:22:59.803
  • It's like i had how do you go 17 years living in jersey
  • 00:22:59.803 --> 00:23:05.708
  • And not have one interaction with a christian at all, like
  • 00:23:05.708 --> 00:23:09.312
  • Never one time.
  • 00:23:09.312 --> 00:23:10.447
  • Do i have any memory at all of anybody?
  • 00:23:10.447 --> 00:23:13.917
  • It's not a single soul sharing the good news of christ with me.
  • 00:23:13.917 --> 00:23:18.521
  • Like, yeah,
  • 00:23:18.855 --> 00:23:20.156
  • It's it's it's not like i was around
  • 00:23:20.156 --> 00:23:22.192
  • Church or spirituality or all these things.
  • 00:23:22.192 --> 00:23:24.461
  • And it finally clicked.
  • 00:23:24.461 --> 00:23:25.562
  • It was like never.
  • 00:23:25.562 --> 00:23:27.497
  • And and yet,
  • 00:23:27.497 --> 00:23:29.566
  • You know, from my youngest years, i always believed that
  • 00:23:29.566 --> 00:23:32.802
  • There was a god out there.
  • 00:23:32.802 --> 00:23:33.970
  • I always believed that there was a moral,
  • 00:23:33.970 --> 00:23:36.439
  • Like a like a morality that i should abide by,
  • 00:23:36.439 --> 00:23:39.075
  • Whether or not that and that wasn't taught to me.
  • 00:23:39.075 --> 00:23:41.444
  • You know, the lord puts that in your heart from,
  • 00:23:41.444 --> 00:23:43.980
  • From the beginning.
  • 00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:44.948
  • And so, you know, my faith is like has,
  • 00:23:44.948 --> 00:23:48.885
  • Has like made sense now, you know, like,
  • 00:23:48.885 --> 00:23:51.955
  • Now i'm 25 years walking with jesus and i look back
  • 00:23:52.989 --> 00:23:55.825
  • At like those early years of growing up and it's like,
  • 00:23:55.825 --> 00:23:59.262
  • And they're like, god had probably had his hand on me.
  • 00:23:59.262 --> 00:24:02.098
  • Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:24:02.098 --> 00:24:03.399
  • Since before i was in my mother's womb.
  • 00:24:03.399 --> 00:24:05.602
  • There's something he placed in you.
  • 00:24:05.602 --> 00:24:07.203
  • Yeah.
  • 00:24:07.203 --> 00:24:07.537
  • Like,
  • 00:24:07.537 --> 00:24:08.738
  • You know, because we we kind of had conversations already
  • 00:24:08.738 --> 00:24:11.508
  • And in even my wife's
  • 00:24:11.508 --> 00:24:12.876
  • Story, like, she didn't grow up in church,
  • 00:24:12.876 --> 00:24:15.278
  • But she always had a desire to know god.
  • 00:24:15.278 --> 00:24:17.847
  • She always believed that he was real.
  • 00:24:17.847 --> 00:24:19.415
  • And so, you know, it was a process.
  • 00:24:19.415 --> 00:24:21.017
  • And it took time to see who god truly is, right?
  • 00:24:21.017 --> 00:24:24.420
  • Give her life over to jesus completely right.
  • 00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:27.056
  • But i know as a pastor, too,
  • 00:24:27.056 --> 00:24:28.324
  • Because i remember when the lord was changing my heart
  • 00:24:28.324 --> 00:24:30.960
  • Like i had been running from god for a long time.
  • 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:33.363
  • And so reading the bible,
  • 00:24:33.363 --> 00:24:35.098
  • I didn't understand any of it, you know.
  • 00:24:35.098 --> 00:24:37.033
  • When was this? how old?
  • 00:24:37.033 --> 00:24:38.401
  • I gotta say, the 21. okay, really?
  • 00:24:38.401 --> 00:24:40.069
  • That's when i really gave my life. but wait, hold on.
  • 00:24:40.069 --> 00:24:42.105
  • I want to get comfortable now, and i want. every now.
  • 00:24:42.105 --> 00:24:44.340
  • And now i'm interviewing him. i'm liking this.
  • 00:24:44.340 --> 00:24:46.576
  • Oh, goodness. here we go. yeah. 21 man.
  • 00:24:46.576 --> 00:24:48.878
  • It was it was a hard, hard age.
  • 00:24:48.878 --> 00:24:51.147
  • Like,
  • 00:24:51.147 --> 00:24:52.382
  • We've had some conversations and you know i love my family
  • 00:24:52.382 --> 00:24:55.318
  • And they they've been great to me.
  • 00:24:55.318 --> 00:24:56.653
  • And but one of the things we struggle with,
  • 00:24:56.653 --> 00:24:58.154
  • My brother had an addiction, alcoholic addiction
  • 00:24:58.154 --> 00:25:01.124
  • That was really, devastating to my family.
  • 00:25:01.124 --> 00:25:05.128
  • And so and i was always a good kid, but just, you know,
  • 00:25:05.128 --> 00:25:08.431
  • I just went to church
  • 00:25:08.431 --> 00:25:09.499
  • To go to church for girls and the wrong things.
  • 00:25:09.499 --> 00:25:11.534
  • And yeah, most people go to church.
  • 00:25:11.534 --> 00:25:13.770
  • Well, when you're in your teens.
  • 00:25:13.770 --> 00:25:14.771
  • And so when i got to college, i completely
  • 00:25:14.771 --> 00:25:17.040
  • Got away from church.
  • 00:25:17.040 --> 00:25:18.508
  • And so it was the party lifestyle.
  • 00:25:18.508 --> 00:25:20.577
  • And i was failing college.
  • 00:25:20.577 --> 00:25:21.778
  • I didn't know who i was going to be.
  • 00:25:21.778 --> 00:25:23.079
  • I wanted to work out
  • 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:24.147
  • And so i was skipping classes to go work out
  • 00:25:24.147 --> 00:25:26.416
  • And just doing all the wrong things.
  • 00:25:26.416 --> 00:25:28.051
  • And i remember like one night,
  • 00:25:28.051 --> 00:25:30.119
  • I had a lot of people over.
  • 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:31.888
  • And so there's, there's beer
  • 00:25:31.888 --> 00:25:33.423
  • And kegs and everything, and my parents
  • 00:25:33.423 --> 00:25:35.825
  • Show up the next morning.
  • 00:25:35.825 --> 00:25:37.160
  • Surprise, you know, like, and i'm like, oh.
  • 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:39.529
  • And just the disappointment, you know, is it still stings
  • 00:25:39.529 --> 00:25:43.733
  • Because i could see my mom's face,
  • 00:25:43.733 --> 00:25:45.768
  • You know, when it came to that.
  • 00:25:45.768 --> 00:25:47.136
  • And it was deeper than just like, oh, my son's in college.
  • 00:25:47.136 --> 00:25:49.906
  • And yeah, no party, like it was deeper.
  • 00:25:49.906 --> 00:25:52.275
  • Like, this is tormented our family.
  • 00:25:52.275 --> 00:25:55.144
  • You know, this is tormented your brother. and,
  • 00:25:55.144 --> 00:25:58.514
  • I remember him
  • 00:25:58.848 --> 00:26:00.283
  • Getting on my knees at night and praying to god like,
  • 00:26:00.283 --> 00:26:02.552
  • You got to save me because i'm going nowhere.
  • 00:26:02.552 --> 00:26:04.520
  • Like i was really going nowhere.
  • 00:26:04.520 --> 00:26:06.556
  • Yeah, i thought i was too stupid
  • 00:26:06.556 --> 00:26:08.091
  • To get a degree in anything that might be used.
  • 00:26:08.091 --> 00:26:11.194
  • And of course, at that time, i didn't even know
  • 00:26:11.194 --> 00:26:13.830
  • Really what god wanted to do with me.
  • 00:26:13.830 --> 00:26:15.298
  • And so it was a process.
  • 00:26:15.298 --> 00:26:16.733
  • And so later on, when i met, you know, my wife,
  • 00:26:16.733 --> 00:26:21.270
  • Now, of course, we just met at the time in college,
  • 00:26:21.270 --> 00:26:24.207
  • I was under pressure reading the bible and like, yeah.
  • 00:26:24.207 --> 00:26:27.143
  • So i'm like, all right.
  • 00:26:27.143 --> 00:26:28.011
  • Because she wanted to get closer to god.
  • 00:26:28.011 --> 00:26:29.178
  • I'm like, i grew up in church. i couldn't read, you know.
  • 00:26:29.178 --> 00:26:31.981
  • If getting closer to god, i guess which one you.
  • 00:26:31.981 --> 00:26:33.549
  • I'm in, i'm in. oh come on. yeah.
  • 00:26:33.549 --> 00:26:35.952
  • But as i read it and like, my mind started changing, like,
  • 00:26:35.952 --> 00:26:39.522
  • I remember going to work and, like,
  • 00:26:39.522 --> 00:26:41.457
  • Hearing the same conversations that i always hear.
  • 00:26:41.457 --> 00:26:44.060
  • And also i wanted to cry for these people.
  • 00:26:44.060 --> 00:26:45.995
  • Yeah. i'm like, god, i don't cry.
  • 00:26:45.995 --> 00:26:47.664
  • Like, that's not me.
  • 00:26:47.664 --> 00:26:48.698
  • I don't want to like, what are you doing to me?
  • 00:26:48.698 --> 00:26:50.867
  • And so i really relate to your story because i feel like
  • 00:26:50.867 --> 00:26:54.303
  • It had to be a pivotal moment for you.
  • 00:26:54.303 --> 00:26:56.472
  • Like you're hearing these people talk
  • 00:26:56.472 --> 00:26:59.842
  • The way you used to feel 100%.
  • 00:26:59.842 --> 00:27:01.944
  • And i think people's
  • 00:27:01.944 --> 00:27:03.046
  • Perception of pastors is this you've never suffered.
  • 00:27:03.046 --> 00:27:06.983
  • You've never doubted your faith.
  • 00:27:06.983 --> 00:27:08.885
  • You grew up in a christian home. you've had it all.
  • 00:27:08.885 --> 00:27:11.487
  • And that's not the story
  • 00:27:11.487 --> 00:27:12.555
  • Of many pastors that god is using today.
  • 00:27:12.555 --> 00:27:14.757
  • Like, you have no idea.
  • 00:27:14.757 --> 00:27:16.392
  • The trials and the dysfunction
  • 00:27:16.392 --> 00:27:18.161
  • In the family and stuff like that.
  • 00:27:18.161 --> 00:27:19.729
  • And it's not that
  • 00:27:19.729 --> 00:27:20.596
  • We suffered back then or doubted back
  • 00:27:20.596 --> 00:27:22.298
  • Then, like there's still days today.
  • 00:27:22.298 --> 00:27:24.167
  • Yeah.
  • 00:27:24.167 --> 00:27:24.834
  • Where you're having to walk
  • 00:27:24.834 --> 00:27:26.035
  • Through really, really difficult things
  • 00:27:26.035 --> 00:27:28.004
  • And you're wondering where the lord is,
  • 00:27:28.004 --> 00:27:30.573
  • And you're looking at the stars and you're asking
  • 00:27:30.573 --> 00:27:32.308
  • The question, like, did this accidentally happen?
  • 00:27:32.308 --> 00:27:34.944
  • Or did
  • 00:27:34.944 --> 00:27:35.812
  • He really place his finger on things
  • 00:27:35.812 --> 00:27:37.380
  • And just speaking into existence, like,
  • 00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:39.348
  • Those are normal. things, normal things.
  • 00:27:39.348 --> 00:27:41.384
  • For regular christians
  • 00:27:41.384 --> 00:27:43.419
  • And normal christians and pastors to at times wonder.
  • 00:27:43.419 --> 00:27:47.290
  • Oh, he goes away.
  • 00:27:47.290 --> 00:27:48.424
  • No, like i think i'll be, let's say
  • 00:27:48.424 --> 00:27:51.227
  • 80s, still preaching by the grace of god.
  • 00:27:51.227 --> 00:27:54.430
  • And i still think i'll feel unqualified.
  • 00:27:54.430 --> 00:27:57.233
  • Yes, like god.
  • 00:27:57.233 --> 00:27:58.735
  • How can you use somebody like me?
  • 00:27:58.735 --> 00:28:00.136
  • Not smart enough. there's no.
  • 00:28:00.136 --> 00:28:01.904
  • There's too many guys that could do this better than me.
  • 00:28:01.904 --> 00:28:04.140
  • They can recite things
  • 00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:05.241
  • That i'll never remember, you know what i mean?
  • 00:28:05.241 --> 00:28:07.176
  • And guys like, no, no, it shows you.
  • 00:28:07.176 --> 00:28:09.612
  • Yeah, it shows you.
  • 00:28:09.612 --> 00:28:10.446
  • And i think too,
  • 00:28:10.446 --> 00:28:12.415
  • You know, especially
  • 00:28:12.415 --> 00:28:13.616
  • With the social media world that we see now, we compare,
  • 00:28:13.616 --> 00:28:16.486
  • Or at least i do.
  • 00:28:16.486 --> 00:28:17.286
  • I'll compare sometimes like, man,
  • 00:28:17.286 --> 00:28:19.288
  • They had the personality to do that.
  • 00:28:19.288 --> 00:28:20.890
  • And i wish i had that.
  • 00:28:20.890 --> 00:28:22.358
  • And god reminds me like, no, no, no.
  • 00:28:22.358 --> 00:28:24.961
  • Your personality is for a specific group of people
  • 00:28:24.961 --> 00:28:27.797
  • That you need to reach. yeah.
  • 00:28:27.797 --> 00:28:29.398
  • So i love like hearing you yesterday
  • 00:28:29.398 --> 00:28:31.300
  • Preach to our church was so impactful.
  • 00:28:31.300 --> 00:28:33.903
  • I told you yesterday there are some similarities
  • 00:28:33.903 --> 00:28:36.072
  • Between me and you, but at the same time,
  • 00:28:36.072 --> 00:28:38.107
  • You bring something different.
  • 00:28:38.107 --> 00:28:39.675
  • You know, you bring you bring matt to the pulpit
  • 00:28:39.675 --> 00:28:42.178
  • And that's how god called you to be.
  • 00:28:42.178 --> 00:28:44.147
  • And you're able to connect with people
  • 00:28:44.147 --> 00:28:45.414
  • On a different level,
  • 00:28:45.414 --> 00:28:46.549
  • Like people needed to hear the things that you said.
  • 00:28:46.549 --> 00:28:49.452
  • And because you walk through it, you know, and so
  • 00:28:49.452 --> 00:28:51.721
  • And that's a struggle.
  • 00:28:51.721 --> 00:28:52.622
  • I wish i wish more people knew
  • 00:28:52.622 --> 00:28:53.890
  • Like moving by faith is not easy.
  • 00:28:53.890 --> 00:28:56.959
  • It doesn't mean it's going to happen tomorrow, doesn't mean
  • 00:28:56.959 --> 00:28:58.694
  • That you're going to have it all figured out.
  • 00:28:58.694 --> 00:28:59.829
  • You're not going to have answers to anything.
  • 00:28:59.829 --> 00:29:01.397
  • Are you going to have is jesus and you going to follow him.
  • 00:29:01.397 --> 00:29:04.934
  • That's it.
  • 00:29:05.234 --> 00:29:06.402
  • Because literally you you he had to wait three years.
  • 00:29:06.402 --> 00:29:08.137
  • You get trained. yeah. boot camp.
  • 00:29:08.137 --> 00:29:10.540
  • And god places you in an area full of witches.
  • 00:29:10.540 --> 00:29:13.442
  • It's wild.
  • 00:29:13.442 --> 00:29:14.443
  • Yeah, bro.
  • 00:29:14.443 --> 00:29:15.578
  • You having coffee. without having coffee, which. is.
  • 00:29:15.578 --> 00:29:17.180
  • And then three questions.
  • 00:29:17.180 --> 00:29:18.314
  • Like, like what do you believe.
  • 00:29:18.314 --> 00:29:20.616
  • Harry potter? okay.
  • 00:29:20.616 --> 00:29:22.351
  • So where does it go from there then?
  • 00:29:22.351 --> 00:29:23.920
  • Yeah. so we,
  • 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:25.521
  • Yeah.
  • 00:29:25.755 --> 00:29:26.956
  • That's crazy.
  • 00:29:26.956 --> 00:29:28.424
  • So we we wound up starting really fast, like, very fast.
  • 00:29:28.424 --> 00:29:32.728
  • So, you know, we had this, like, 18 month plan of,
  • 00:29:32.728 --> 00:29:35.765
  • Like, building groups and all this stuff, and,
  • 00:29:35.765 --> 00:29:39.168
  • And we started
  • 00:29:39.502 --> 00:29:40.703
  • We did this vision night, and we thought maybe a people
  • 00:29:40.703 --> 00:29:43.239
  • Would come over to the house, and it was all in our home.
  • 00:29:43.239 --> 00:29:45.274
  • Yeah.
  • 00:29:45.274 --> 00:29:45.942
  • And like, 30 people showed up.
  • 00:29:45.942 --> 00:29:47.043
  • So one of the things that we did
  • 00:29:47.043 --> 00:29:48.110
  • Before social media was popular.
  • 00:29:48.110 --> 00:29:49.979
  • Yeah. yeah.
  • 00:29:49.979 --> 00:29:51.147
  • We actually had put together these like series of videos,
  • 00:29:51.147 --> 00:29:55.117
  • This series of videos that was asking big questions
  • 00:29:55.117 --> 00:30:00.089
  • That people might be asking about christianity.
  • 00:30:00.089 --> 00:30:03.526
  • And i would just it was like three, four minute clips, okay.
  • 00:30:03.526 --> 00:30:06.762
  • And i was young and bald headed and i was like,
  • 00:30:06.762 --> 00:30:10.867
  • Literally like, i like i look back
  • 00:30:10.867 --> 00:30:12.635
  • At those videos, i'm like, yeah, dude.
  • 00:30:12.635 --> 00:30:14.036
  • I was like, what am i like, what's going on with all that?
  • 00:30:14.036 --> 00:30:16.806
  • You know?
  • 00:30:16.806 --> 00:30:17.173
  • Yeah.
  • 00:30:17.173 --> 00:30:18.307
  • And but dude, like and that's what i started spamming
  • 00:30:18.307 --> 00:30:20.910
  • These facebook pages with right after,
  • 00:30:20.910 --> 00:30:24.614
  • You know, before we even moved out there.
  • 00:30:24.614 --> 00:30:27.016
  • And so what i didn't know is that there was this following.
  • 00:30:27.016 --> 00:30:30.152
  • I mean, you've experienced
  • 00:30:30.152 --> 00:30:31.187
  • A lot of that in, in what you're doing now, right?
  • 00:30:31.187 --> 00:30:33.356
  • But this was like back in oh eight, oh nine.
  • 00:30:33.356 --> 00:30:36.659
  • So like.
  • 00:30:36.659 --> 00:30:37.193
  • 2010 like.
  • 00:30:37.193 --> 00:30:38.761
  • Yes, dude.
  • 00:30:38.761 --> 00:30:39.729
  • And so we were putting these videos out there.
  • 00:30:39.729 --> 00:30:41.564
  • And so when we moved to, to like plant.
  • 00:30:41.564 --> 00:30:44.767
  • A lot of people had come,
  • 00:30:45.334 --> 00:30:46.569
  • Had heard of us that we had no idea heard of us
  • 00:30:46.569 --> 00:30:49.472
  • Like we had no communication with them.
  • 00:30:49.472 --> 00:30:50.940
  • We didn't they weren't following us.
  • 00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:52.241
  • They just knew that a church was going to be started.
  • 00:30:52.241 --> 00:30:54.176
  • We had a website, whatever.
  • 00:30:54.176 --> 00:30:55.378
  • Okay, because it's so funny how technology has advanced
  • 00:30:55.378 --> 00:30:58.314
  • Since then. yeah, i feel it make
  • 00:30:58.314 --> 00:31:01.751
  • But yeah bro.
  • 00:31:02.118 --> 00:31:02.685
  • And so
  • 00:31:02.685 --> 00:31:03.753
  • So we had all these people show up
  • 00:31:03.753 --> 00:31:05.154
  • And i didn't know
  • 00:31:05.154 --> 00:31:06.255
  • What to do with them because i would just thought,
  • 00:31:06.255 --> 00:31:07.723
  • We're going to have a big dinner,
  • 00:31:07.723 --> 00:31:08.658
  • But you can't have a big dinner.
  • 00:31:08.658 --> 00:31:09.892
  • We didn't even have enough food for 30 people. were you scared?
  • 00:31:09.892 --> 00:31:12.361
  • Like i was terrified people might show up.
  • 00:31:12.361 --> 00:31:14.597
  • And then you're seeing 30 people show up to you?
  • 00:31:14.597 --> 00:31:16.065
  • I was terrified because you're like, what.
  • 00:31:16.065 --> 00:31:17.466
  • Do you do? these strangers have your address.
  • 00:31:17.466 --> 00:31:19.302
  • You know, they got my address. they're in my home.
  • 00:31:19.302 --> 00:31:21.804
  • They're like, why, bro?
  • 00:31:21.804 --> 00:31:22.905
  • I went up.
  • 00:31:22.905 --> 00:31:23.472
  • So funny story.
  • 00:31:23.472 --> 00:31:24.407
  • I went upstairs and i was like, babe,
  • 00:31:24.407 --> 00:31:26.475
  • I'm going to go upstairs and just get my bible.
  • 00:31:26.475 --> 00:31:27.910
  • And i think i'm just going to like,
  • 00:31:27.910 --> 00:31:28.711
  • Read the bible or something, like,
  • 00:31:28.711 --> 00:31:29.745
  • I don't know, to them i don't know.
  • 00:31:29.745 --> 00:31:31.047
  • And so i went upstairs to go get my bible.
  • 00:31:31.047 --> 00:31:33.015
  • Like the warfare was weird.
  • 00:31:33.015 --> 00:31:34.350
  • I went upstairs
  • 00:31:34.350 --> 00:31:35.484
  • And literally felt as if i could not come back down.
  • 00:31:35.484 --> 00:31:38.287
  • Now, while like i sat down on the ground
  • 00:31:39.121 --> 00:31:41.924
  • And i'm the extrovert bumper wife is an introvert.
  • 00:31:41.924 --> 00:31:44.193
  • She's down there with like 30 people.
  • 00:31:44.193 --> 00:31:46.228
  • Like, where the heck is my husband, you know?
  • 00:31:46.228 --> 00:31:49.365
  • So she. came upstairs.
  • 00:31:49.365 --> 00:31:50.266
  • She was like, what are you doing?
  • 00:31:50.266 --> 00:31:51.600
  • She sees me like, on,
  • 00:31:51.600 --> 00:31:52.735
  • Like, sitting on the ground with a bible in my hand.
  • 00:31:52.735 --> 00:31:55.404
  • She's like,
  • 00:31:55.404 --> 00:31:56.238
  • What are you doing? and i was like,
  • 00:31:56.238 --> 00:31:57.807
  • I don't i don't think i could go downstairs.
  • 00:31:57.807 --> 00:32:00.977
  • She's like, you're going downstairs.
  • 00:32:00.977 --> 00:32:02.645
  • I was like, she's like, i'm a pieces for god, right?
  • 00:32:02.645 --> 00:32:05.348
  • Right. that.
  • 00:32:05.348 --> 00:32:06.549
  • So she laid hands on me, bro prayed over me and sent me out
  • 00:32:06.549 --> 00:32:08.884
  • That room.
  • 00:32:08.884 --> 00:32:09.752
  • And i went downstairs and i was like,
  • 00:32:09.752 --> 00:32:11.020
  • Hey, you know, yo, welcome, everybody.
  • 00:32:11.020 --> 00:32:13.022
  • And i was like, we're going to be in acts 17 today.
  • 00:32:13.022 --> 00:32:14.857
  • The people are like, what's acts 17?
  • 00:32:14.857 --> 00:32:16.525
  • I was like, yeah, we're going to open up the bible.
  • 00:32:16.525 --> 00:32:18.227
  • And so i opened up the bible.
  • 00:32:18.227 --> 00:32:19.295
  • And acts 17 is like one of my favorite areas
  • 00:32:19.295 --> 00:32:21.497
  • Of all of scripture.
  • 00:32:21.497 --> 00:32:22.198
  • And so and i just talked about,
  • 00:32:22.198 --> 00:32:24.600
  • You know, the paul in athens and,
  • 00:32:24.600 --> 00:32:27.670
  • And how the lord says, god ordains
  • 00:32:27.670 --> 00:32:29.505
  • Where we would live in when we would live there
  • 00:32:29.505 --> 00:32:30.940
  • So that men would seek him and find him
  • 00:32:30.940 --> 00:32:32.408
  • Because he's not far from any one of us.
  • 00:32:32.408 --> 00:32:33.843
  • And, and i said, you know, the lord sent us here
  • 00:32:33.843 --> 00:32:37.847
  • At this period of time
  • 00:32:37.847 --> 00:32:38.814
  • Because i feel like
  • 00:32:38.814 --> 00:32:40.049
  • We are going to be a means in which people
  • 00:32:40.049 --> 00:32:41.951
  • Will come to know god because he's not far.
  • 00:32:41.951 --> 00:32:43.519
  • And i shared that with them, and people seemed interested.
  • 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.888
  • Okay. and then it was over.
  • 00:32:45.888 --> 00:32:47.857
  • And what do you do, dude? laying there.
  • 00:32:47.857 --> 00:32:49.725
  • I don't know.
  • 00:32:49.725 --> 00:32:50.459
  • So i told people to go home.
  • 00:32:50.459 --> 00:32:52.194
  • And like.
  • 00:32:52.194 --> 00:32:52.728
  • No, i said, go home.
  • 00:32:52.728 --> 00:32:54.430
  • I said, get out of my house.
  • 00:32:54.430 --> 00:32:55.965
  • I'll hit you up later. yeah.
  • 00:32:55.965 --> 00:32:57.800
  • You know, and then i, i don't know, dude.
  • 00:32:57.800 --> 00:33:00.136
  • I'm like, i live there. at that point.
  • 00:33:00.136 --> 00:33:01.737
  • I lived it for 30 days. i lived there and that's it.
  • 00:33:01.737 --> 00:33:04.173
  • Yeah. and i'm. and i'm not even fully unpacked.
  • 00:33:04.173 --> 00:33:06.742
  • So i'm like, get out of my house.
  • 00:33:06.742 --> 00:33:08.144
  • And i read the bible to you.
  • 00:33:08.144 --> 00:33:09.678
  • There's power in the word.
  • 00:33:09.678 --> 00:33:10.846
  • It won't return void. get out. and so then,
  • 00:33:10.846 --> 00:33:14.350
  • I hit everybody back, and i
  • 00:33:14.950 --> 00:33:16.118
  • Think a month later, we did it again. okay.
  • 00:33:16.118 --> 00:33:18.254
  • And at that point, we had,
  • 00:33:18.254 --> 00:33:20.389
  • I started, you know, i started, like, thinking about
  • 00:33:20.389 --> 00:33:22.191
  • What does it look like to start a church.
  • 00:33:22.191 --> 00:33:23.926
  • Yeah, because i didn't know,
  • 00:33:23.926 --> 00:33:25.628
  • You know, the difference between acts 29 and arc is acts 29.
  • 00:33:25.628 --> 00:33:29.665
  • We'll say, okay, we feel like you're qualified now and ready.
  • 00:33:29.665 --> 00:33:32.668
  • We want to greenlight you to go
  • 00:33:32.668 --> 00:33:33.736
  • Be a missionary and plant a church. okay?
  • 00:33:33.736 --> 00:33:36.238
  • You're like, well, how come they don't tell you?
  • 00:33:36.238 --> 00:33:39.241
  • Arc okay.
  • 00:33:39.241 --> 00:33:40.209
  • It's like, you seem great.
  • 00:33:40.209 --> 00:33:41.710
  • Let me tell you how to. do it a blueprint. yeah.
  • 00:33:41.710 --> 00:33:43.746
  • And they give you the they give you the script.
  • 00:33:43.746 --> 00:33:45.347
  • Yeah, i have a script.
  • 00:33:45.347 --> 00:33:46.782
  • So i just moved. yeah.
  • 00:33:46.782 --> 00:33:48.050
  • And my wife,
  • 00:33:48.050 --> 00:33:49.118
  • I said to my wife, before we move, i said, babe,
  • 00:33:49.118 --> 00:33:50.986
  • How do you start a church from nothing? she looked at me.
  • 00:33:50.986 --> 00:33:53.322
  • She said, don't you ever ask me a question again.
  • 00:33:53.322 --> 00:33:55.357
  • You better figure this out.
  • 00:33:55.357 --> 00:33:56.625
  • Right? you're dragging me all the way.
  • 00:33:56.625 --> 00:33:58.094
  • All the way out here to start a church.
  • 00:33:58.094 --> 00:33:59.662
  • The time, you know.
  • 00:33:59.662 --> 00:34:00.596
  • Don't ask me where it was the day before.
  • 00:34:00.596 --> 00:34:01.997
  • Removing the pesky trump is packed, bro.
  • 00:34:01.997 --> 00:34:04.300
  • We are ready to go. we're laying down on a mattress.
  • 00:34:04.300 --> 00:34:06.502
  • No furniture in the house.
  • 00:34:06.502 --> 00:34:07.536
  • And i go, have you started church for another?
  • 00:34:07.536 --> 00:34:09.105
  • She's like, no, do not ask that question.
  • 00:34:09.105 --> 00:34:11.173
  • I'm like, the lord will do it.
  • 00:34:11.173 --> 00:34:13.409
  • You figure it out. i was like, all right, let's go.
  • 00:34:13.409 --> 00:34:15.478
  • Yeah, you know.
  • 00:34:15.478 --> 00:34:16.545
  • So anyway, so we yeah broke it out.
  • 00:34:16.545 --> 00:34:18.614
  • But that's it, right? yeah.
  • 00:34:18.614 --> 00:34:19.582
  • Yeah. that's all of pastoring.
  • 00:34:19.582 --> 00:34:21.250
  • Oh yeah.
  • 00:34:21.250 --> 00:34:21.717
  • You know
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  • My wife and i were talking about this today,
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  • You know, walking around with you guys.
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  • I don't know how much i'm allowed to share
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  • In this podcast. but, like, whatever. yeah.
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  • Like walking around with you guys,
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  • All guys doing it in your church and through your through
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  • Through your platform online
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  • And also through the idea of like growth and
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  • And and and a building and land and all these things.
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  • And i'm asking you questions like, well,
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  • How are you going to do it?
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  • And the money and i know you're like, bro,
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  • I don't know, i don't know.
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  • We're just going to like figure it out.
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  • And here i am back in boston.
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  • It's really scary because as your church matures
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  • And grows and gets older,
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  • It's really easy to get caught up
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  • In what we call the matrix of the church,
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  • Which is like, you're it's this all.
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  • It's this other world.
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  • That kind of says, this is how you do it.
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  • Yes, this box is your box and this is how you do it.
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  • And man, we have tried to fight that.
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  • But i feel the tension. right. it's like.
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  • And you want to be wise and use wisdom.
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  • Yeah. yeah.
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  • You know
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  • And but man, sometimes it's like you just figure it out.
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  • You just got to figure it out.
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  • You're just going to believe that the lord's hand is in it.
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  • Are you going to figure it out? you don't.
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  • I do not need to have all of my phases
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  • Planned out before i move. right. what?
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  • This is exactly the story of abraham raised like, go where?
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  • I said, just go homeland. right.
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  • And so pagan side of your family too.
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  • And everything is just 100% for you 100%.
  • 00:35:32.254 --> 00:35:35.257
  • And i think,
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  • You know, that's so important because god has the answers.
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  • He's already in the future.
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  • He designed the created the future.
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  • He's already written out your plan. right?
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  • So it's like, you know, don't be anxious.
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  • And you know, a lot about jesus tells us,
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  • Don't be anxious about anything. just pray. yeah.
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  • And yes, it's the bible answer and that's what we need to know.
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  • But at the same time, be like the god and god.
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  • People are asking me questions. yeah.
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  • And they keep asking me.
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  • And we're talking about a lot of money right now.
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  • And i've never seen an em
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  • In any of my bank accounts ever, ever in my life.
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  • So, you know, helped me through this situation.
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  • But that's the
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  • That is the great thing about following god, though.
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  • Like, you almost get to a point where, like,
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  • All right, i've seen god show up before.
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  • He showed up again and again and again.
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  • So, you know, this time
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  • There's always going to be nerves that doesn't go away.
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  • There's always going to be some
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  • I think you should have a little bit of stress
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  • Because it's a burden.
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  • It's a burden for people.
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  • It's a burden for god's kingdom.
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  • But you give that burden
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  • Over to the lord and he will bring confirmation.
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  • Yeah. and just show you the right path.
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  • You want to. it's interesting.
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  • I was reading this the other day.
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  • It's in matthew five.
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  • Where or is matthew six
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  • Where jesus talks about do not be anxious.
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  • Says do not be anxious about
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  • Tomorrow because there's enough anxiety for today.
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  • Yeah.
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  • And it's like,
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  • Even with my kids, i'm trying to teach my kids, my
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  • My oldest son,
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  • You know, he wants to have all of his ducks in a row.
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  • He wants to have it all planned out.
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  • And he's like, always.
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  • Were you know, he always feels like he's behind. and i'm like,
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  • The lord is pretty.
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  • Clearly it's okay to to have some anxiety.
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  • Like, you can't not
  • 00:37:06.215 --> 00:37:08.450
  • You can't tell your body to not be anxious.
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  • Yeah. yeah. right. and that would be nice.
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  • But you don't need to be anxious about tomorrow.
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  • What do you have to do today?
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  • What does it look like for you to be faithful today,
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  • In this moment, with these people,
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  • With this money, with this vision today?
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  • And be anxious about being faithful today?
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  • Yeah. period. yeah.
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  • And then tomorrow
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  • Will be tomorrow, and tomorrow will be today.
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  • Tomorrow.
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  • Yeah. be anxious then for that day. yeah.
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  • I just think we need to do a better job of living like that.
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  • We do as believers be anxious about being faithful today.
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  • And and so that's been our church story bro.
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  • All right guys that's all the time we have for today.
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  • But i pray that today's message bless your life.
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  • There is a reason you heard this word today.
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  • It's not by mistake.
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  • You're here for a reason and god has a plan for you.
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  • And listen, if you love this church
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  • And thinking about giving to this church, all you have to do
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  • Is visit our website at bobby chandler ministries.com.
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  • Into everyone's home as much as we can,
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