Bobby Chandler - When God Says Move (Part 2)

August 25, 2025 | S1 E28 | 47:20

Pastor Bobby Chandler has found hope in Jesus and wants as many people as possible to experience that exact same freedom.

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Bobby Chandler: Authentic Church | Bobby Chandler - When God Says Move (Part 2) | August 25, 2025

Given us an assignment.
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And that assignment is to spread the gospel all over the world.
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So today.
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We get to. celebrate jesus.
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Again, god sends people, visitors, the devil.
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And there have been times
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That we have experienced such warfare that i've come home
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To see my wife out in the yard
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With the brand new olive oil that we just bought, like. pour
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And dump.
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That was a nice bottle of olive oil.
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Yeah.
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You talked about spiritual warfare.
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Yeah. you know, you felt something.
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Would you say it was a spiritual attack?
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Would you say he was more physical?
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Maybe it was anxiety.
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What were you feeling when you try to combat that?
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When i was trying to come down the stairs.
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Yeah.
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I felt a heaviness.
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I felt a weight, literally.
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Almost like oppression.
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Okay.
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And i didn't know what to do with it at that point in time.
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I didn't really have a, a framework for what?
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Demonic activity and spiritual warfare i think looked like.
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You know, you
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You knew it and you knew it in theory, but not in practice.
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Yeah.
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And so that whole season was full of like warfare weirdness.
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And that was very new.
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And and we've had to work through some of that stuff.
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But yeah, we, it was weird.
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My wife had a, my, my wife prayed my wife
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Prayed over me in a way a literal weight lifted.
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Just lifted as. one.
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You know, i've heard stories because,
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You know, we talked about this yesterday, too,
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Like the spiritual warfare that takes place
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When the ministry is moving and god
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Is doing supernatural things.
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Again, god sends people beside as the devil.
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And there have been times that we have experienced
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This warfare that i've come home to see my wife out in the yard
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With the brand new olive oil that we just bought, like pour.
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Just a dump.
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That was a nice bottle of olive oil. yeah.
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And she's pouring it around our entire yard, bro.
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Let's go.
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Just anointing the house, covering the children.
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You know what i'm so thankful for in doing that?
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Because you do.
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You experience some spiritual attacks.
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And so i don't know if you want to go there, but how many?
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Some things that you've.
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I mean, you talk about witches
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Talking about coming against witchcraft and,
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And all these things like, what is that like?
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Because that's a real fight.
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It is a. real fight, not a movie.
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Like that's a real thing.
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Yeah, it's a real.
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It's a it's as real as the physical world.
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We just don't see it.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we've experienced
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Everything you could imagine from, from weird,
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Like paranormal activity in the house to,
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Stalkers that would send.
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I mean, we have one story where there was somebody who
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Was a part of trying to get involved
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In our church plant early on when we were first starting.
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And, was calling all the time.
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Somehow got ahold of my number,
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And then started to make
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These threats when i wouldn't call back.
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And so my wife walked in one day and i was leaving.
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No, i was on the phone with them and i was giving him a
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A piece of my mind.
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Yeah. and then. for him. right.
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Yeah. robust, robust prayer.
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You know, like. yeah. and,
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And my wife walks in and she's like, who were you talking to?
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You can't talk to people like that.
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Yeah. yeah. and i was like, well, listen to this voicemail.
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And it was like, it's kind of like, threatening and,
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And so then about a week later, we got this letter in the mail.
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It was very weird.
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And it was a letter from him.
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Yeah, it was in one of those huge yellow envelopes,
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And it was a piece of paper in this huge
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Envelope that's only about this big. okay.
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And it had scripture references that not not
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The actual verse is just a reference.
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And i had to open it up and then find the verse
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And build out the paragraph that he was speaking to us. wow.
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You know, it's like some
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It's like a crime scene with a batman.
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Yeah. burrows.
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While the. riddler is the riddler running.
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Wild, and, and it was it was a threat.
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It was a threat of some sort.
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And so i had this guy's number.
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So i called him, and i asked him. i told him i wanted.
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I mean, he knew it was him. like, did he?
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Yeah. i think his name was on or something like that.
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His name. was. yeah. his name was on it.
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And so i called him and i was like,
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Hey bro, i got your letter, let's go grab a bite to eat.
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And we decided, i,
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I grabbed a knife.
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Yeah, i don't know, what do you want to put online,
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But like.
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Oh, yeah, you know. i grabbed a knife.
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You know,
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I grabbed a friend
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Who also grabbed a knife because it's
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Hard to get a gun in massachusetts. bay.
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But, it's not hickory, but,
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And we went.
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We went to breakfast with this dude,
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And incomes walk in this little man with this,
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You know, backpack with, like, weird jesus patches on it.
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And we sat down and i asked him to see his license.
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I wanted to see it like his. and he showed me his license.
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Yeah.
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And, i don't even know
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How to finagle my way to see his license.
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But i got his name,
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And we talked, and i want to hear a little bit
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About why he was so obsessed with us
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And all this stuff, and he didn't have much to say.
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He left.
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We left.
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And when i tell you that, man. never.
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We had no interaction with that man ever again.
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And we could not find that person.
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The name of that person, really?
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The person that no
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Social media profile, no online profile at all.
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We had people. looking nothing.
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Because at that point i felt like i felt threatened.
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That gives me chills. yeah, bro.
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That's crazy.
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A dude disappeared and so was that.
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What was. what was that, bro?
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I mean, definitely demonically influenced.
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Yeah. what was that?
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So we have weird stories.
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I don't think i've ever share
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That story publicly like that, but. yeah. yeah.
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And we just witnessed things too.
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I remember, you know,
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I told you when we first, last launched authentic
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In my early 20s in louisiana, it was just an outreach,
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Like it wasn't the church that it is today.
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But there were
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Times like it was such a movement of what god was doing.
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And we would set up services downtown shreveport, louisiana,
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Next to like, tattoo shops, bars and strip clubs are down there
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And we're talking about jesus.
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And so, like, it really was a supernatural thing.
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And i remember one day, like being in the gym
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And, i had a friend with me.
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Nothing like, touch my back like nothing touch my back.
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And all of a sudden it started burning.
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And it was the weirdest thing.
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And, and so i look in the mirror and there's three scratches,
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Like, just, like, really
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Thin, three scratches down my back, super red.
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And i remember sharing it with my wife, and it just it burned.
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It burned, and i just felt like it was a spiritual attack
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Because it was nothing.
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Nothing in the gym would have done that.
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Like there was nothing to put my back on.
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I can't remember what i was doing that day, but
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But i knew, like,
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What's weird because, you know, the old me
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Would have been like, nah, i'm out.
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Like, i'm done with this, you know?
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But there is a, there's you talk about when god is guiding you,
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You can feel when the holy spirit
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Gives you strength that you do not have. right.
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And it's like you don't like it's you're.
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Cautious of it.
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Yeah, but it's same time.
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I'm not fearful of it.
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Like, i know that god can rebuke these things.
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There's nothing to be afraid, nothing to be afraid of.
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Like there's like literally nothing.
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Demons be gone in the name of jesus christ.
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And i'm not playing this game like god.
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Just it was a big things.
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And there were times to i, we we,
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Ever upset a little bit on stage
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Without going in like all the details.
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There was a, there was a woman in our,
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In those days in our ministry two that was like,
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Not fully saved yet, wanting to come to jesus.
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What is not fully saved? like, oh, what do you say?
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Just here to just like. get in there. and not surrender.
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Like she's like, i'm. almost here like.
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Of the church events, but like, that's it.
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You know, we got to get her.
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She wasn't no jesus.
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But she was like, we got to talk to you.
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And i was like, okay, okay.
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And she said. i love it.
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You gotta love that guy.
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I need to talk to you.
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I need, you know, we get that a lot.
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That is not a i need to.
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Talk to you in private. now. you're like.
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No, no, i don't want to go.
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I don't want to go.
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But she she says, you see the manifestations
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Of demons in her house.
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And they wanted
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To possessor and killer and all these things. and,
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Really at that point, it was
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The first time hearing something like that.
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Yeah.
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And like, she is an awesome person.
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She was not weird.
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She was not different in that way.
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Like when my wife heard of stasis and tears.
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And there's a lot there with her family life
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That we found out later. yeah.
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And i remember one night, like,
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We're we're all hanging out in the ministry,
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And one of my friends is like, she can't say, jesus,
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Have you noticed that?
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And said, let's pray over her, start praying over her
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Super lovely girl.
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And and all of a sudden she's like, i'm getting angry.
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Like getting really angry. and i'll never forget.
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She pointed at me and said, it does not like you.
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And again, oh, they would have been like, i'm out of here.
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This is weird. but.
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The things you little bit.
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I bet it doesn't.
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Yeah, i bet it doesn't like me.
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The thing that came out of my mouth was, was this.
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It's because i'm covered in the blood of jesus. yeah.
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And we kept rebuking the demons, and so.
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But we also had to pray
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Over our house at night, like, i mean, that's real
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Spiritual warfare.
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I gotta go somewhere. later on, she became free.
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But there was there was a lot like when it comes to
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Demonic entities.
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Like that was an extreme case that was very extreme.
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But there were open doors and a lot of it dealt with hurt.
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And so we had to close its doors.
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Yeah, there had to be healing from the lord.
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Of course, jesus had to be her lord and savior.
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She had to make their choice.
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What was really interesting to me is that she would tell me,
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Demons are telling me jesus isn't real, and i'm like, you.
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You're seeing.
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Of course they're you're seeing demons.
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They don't believe in jesus.
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But like, you're the one who. rose from the grave, right?
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Jesus is real and.
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But that crazy.
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That's what people still battled today, you know?
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And so the spiritual warfare
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And things and yes, like
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Even in the church today with god moving here,
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There's things that we battle we to be prayed up.
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We got to be ready. we got a prayer of our families.
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You know.
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And i say like this, like the way god moves,
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Especially with the holy spirit.
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Like god is not weird.
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People are weird.
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You know, people make it weird.
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Yeah.
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But there's always
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I've experienced when it's really
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The presence of god, there's a peace.
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It's like really like demons just left
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Because the presence of god
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Is here now surrender and walk in humility to the lord.
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Yeah.
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Because he just brought you a peace and a comfort.
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Yeah. holy spirit just for sure.
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And so that's, that's a real thing, man.
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And so that's gotta be scary again.
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Three years of boot camp getting strangers.
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Now you're dealing with,
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You know, demons, backpacks and like what?
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Disappear.
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Yeah. so where does it go from there?
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All right.
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So, from there, we, we decided to launch a church.
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Okay. like, you know, like a launch day.
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Do you remember your launch day, bro? yeah, yeah.
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Your first day?
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Yeah. it was,
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Yeah, actually, it was the day we also baptized my son.
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Everything. it was it was great, bro.
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So we launched january 23rd, 2011.
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Okay.
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And the story about launching was basically there was a,
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A magazine in our area
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That got wind that we were
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Trying to start a church, and, they decided it was in december.
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They decided they wanted to do an article,
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A christmas article on us about this new church
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That we're trying to get started.
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Crazy. it's called the north shore magazine. yeah.
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It was wild. yeah.
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And so when i sat down
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With the guy, the editor there, the journalist, and,
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And told our story, he was like, yo, this is crazy.
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We want to do like a, a bigger spread.
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And so they turned into like
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A seven page spread in this local magazine.
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I say, look,
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It's called the north shore magazine, but it's it's
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Very well known. it's like it's in target, right?
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Like it's like a magazine area. yeah. and
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And but one of the questions
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The guy asked me is like, well, where is your church meet?
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And i was like.
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I don't. know, in my house.
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Right. and so, yeah.
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And so it was like really weird,
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But well, around that same time that this was going on.
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You know, he was telling me the things
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He was like prepping me for this conversation
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About what we were going to talk about.
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And so we were serving,
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A thanksgiving dinner to underprivileged people,
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My family and some of the people
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That were at like some of those vision nights.
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Yeah.
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And, and it was hosted by the ymca.
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And so the ymca were in
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There were serving and doing all stuff.
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And the lady of the ymca was like, what?
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Where does your church meet?
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And i was like, oh, like, we're just we don't have a spot.
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She's like, well, have you ever need a place
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You can use our gym on a sunday morning
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Because we're closed on a sunday morning,
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I can just give you keys. and i was like, what?
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And so she asked when we planned to launch, and i lied.
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I was like january 23rd because i knew it was a sunday.
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My birthday's january 28th and so i just backed up.
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Okay, i knew, and that was because i had scheduled
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Like i set something up for that day.
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So i backed up five days to the sunday
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And i was like, january 23rd is when we're starting.
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It's not a lie. if it comes. true. so yeah.
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Yeah. so, maybe it was prophetic.
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Yeah. it's prophetic.
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Is is a,
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It can't be a prophetic lie because prophecy is like truth.
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So it's like it was just straight up prophetic.
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Yeah. yeah bro. yes, yes.
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So we spoke it into existence and.
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Yeah bro.
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And and i was doing that to see if they give me keys.
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And she's like cool. we'll get your keys.
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And so at the same time that they committed
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To giving us keys, then i went and i had the interview
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With this magazine and i just told the date
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And i was like yeah janae we're launching january 23rd.
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We had no plan yet though. yeah.
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They're like, okay, so they publish that.
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Did you even have a team?
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No. okay.
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So bro, no, no, i'm telling you.
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I didn't know you just figured like, megan out, dude.
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Like, you just.
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Figure the whole thing out. you know.
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You're just like, you're just making a happen. yeah.
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So literally, they give me keys.
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This article goes public.
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And now i'm, like.
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Looking at people, and i'm. like, bro, you're.
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And you can sing songs and play guitar.
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Yeah. i was like, cool.
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You're cute.
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You look like you'll be great in the front.
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You know what i said?
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You welcome people, you know, you you're weird.
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We're going to put you in the back.
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You know, you're techie.
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Go buy some stuff. here's what we need. you know?
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Yeah. and we.
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That's literally like how we start a church.
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We just set up chairs, a call a guy.
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So any chairs?
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Yeah.
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He was getting a new auditorium at a church.
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So the point then, did you have funds?
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They kind of ready to go to buy
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The tech that you needed or was. i'm calling everybody, bro.
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I'm like you, i. need money, okay?
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You know, like.
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I'm just calling people from north carolina calling for.
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No, we did not have anything, bro.
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This isn't the most unconventional way
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To start a church. yeah. you know, so, yeah, we.
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We figured it out
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And we launched it in the ymca open and opening day.
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You know.
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That opening.
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Day, january 23rd, 2011, 120 people showed up is crazy.
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That never happens.
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Where i mean, where we live.
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We were only living there for months,
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You know,
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Another big thing that i do like
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I still i still play basketball some.
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Yeah, not as much as i do.
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I mean, i really need ball, i love ball.
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Yeah.
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I have always loved ball. play ball in college.
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And but one of the things i did start to do
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Is i started to play ball when i moved there.
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And so i was getting to know a bunch of people.
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Well, one of the weird things that happened
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Is i had done like i had spoken at some camp and,
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One of the kids at the camp was going to go to a college
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That was right down the street from where we were planting.
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Yeah.
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And so i went to go meet him just to say, what's up?
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And hoop and i walk in the gym and someone comes up to me,
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He's like, yo, are you matt chewning? and i was like, yeah.
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And he was like, yo, my name is sean roach.
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And i was like, sean! he was like, yeah, my dad.
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It was kevin.
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Kevin roach was my assistant
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Basketball coach when i was in college.
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And now this is his son, really.
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And he was like, bro.
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Like, i just got became a believer this past weekend.
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And so, or this past summer. yeah.
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And so he kind of asked me to disciple him.
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And so then he started getting some of these
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Other freshmen college basketball players,
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And i started disciple and all of them.
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And so.
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So like, y'all just playing. yeah, we play ball.
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And then i like sit around, we like read the bible.
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We explain some stuff here they're at like me with them
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One on one, one on five, whatever bro.
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It was like. yeah.
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You know even at that point, like i didn't really know
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Like i mean, that is discipleship,
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But like i just invite them into my life.
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We see how god can take like what you're interested in
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Your talents.
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And sometimes we think like that
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Can't be used for the glory of god.
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But like you came in 100%. yeah, something like that.
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Together people come.
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I don't just ball on the court and then talk about jesus.
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Yeah, i mean, i'm sure heaven's at the gym, bro.
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Yeah. yeah, bro.
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That's like the, you know, the fitness world.
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We talked about it like, needs ministry.
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They need jesus. it's it can be full of vanity.
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And i've been there in the past myself.
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Like, gotta look a certain way.
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Ain't gotta be this strong. yeah.
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And it was. my identity was in that.
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And then as soon as
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Somebody is like, well, you're not big enough,
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You're not strong enough, then like, where are you?
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You know, it's gotta be in christ.
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And so 100% i mean, i still do that with hoopers. so.
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There hasn't been in 15 years.
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There hasn't been one baptism service yet
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That we have not baptized.
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One of my hoopers, one of the guys.
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So that's i can only ministry.
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And in the bones in doug. i can't. don't don't worry.
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My is my.
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I did a joke.
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You have basketball joke, baby.
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It's so funny. but yeah, i haven't.
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Yeah. and that's.
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And it also keeps me super grounded to, like,
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Keeps me, you know, the church world has the ability
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To, like, suck you in, and all you're ever around
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Is just christians constantly.
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And like, yeah,
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You know, everyone's using the hey brother and like,
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Press into the lord and like, you know, it's just.
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And you get out in the real world,
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You know as a pastor sometimes it's, it's hard to do that.
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And that's been my outlet and it's been phenomenal.
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But yeah i'd probably leave more people to jesus.
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Yeah than anything. so it's. amazing.
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But i was doing that.
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That's how we started the church.
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So bunch of hoopers were coming.
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I started coming to the church that first launch.
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So when we started there, launched
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And then from there outgrew that over the course of a year,
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Moved to a middle school.
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We were at a middle school for six years.
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Then we kind of went homeless and the middle
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School was moving.
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They didn't have room for our kids
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Were big believer in the next generation. right.
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And so they didn't have an area for kids,
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That was really conducive for kids ministry and student
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Ministry stuff.
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And so,
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And so we said we didn't want to move to the new middle school.
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So we started looking for our own space
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And eventually
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Landed on a proper like about 20,000ft█ in a mall.
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So we're church is in a mall now.
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Was that sharing with you?
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Is it hard to get in the mall?
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Like, was that a.
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That difficult process or do you.
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Guys just open. up it kind of you kind of open it up.
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We had a little bit of tension there in the beginning.
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Yeah. it started.
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We were i was walking out of amc theater,
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Walking down the mall, and i saw,
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A store called kids for less.
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And i was like, that's a bad name.
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Kids like, you can't, like, that's a bad name.
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For a store, bro.
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Kids for less is not a good name for a store, just so you know.
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Okay.
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And, and i was and i said, i think out loud,
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You're somebody needs to redeem that. like, that's wild.
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And it was like the lord was like you.
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Yeah.
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And so we had been looking for properties everywhere.
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And so we reached out to the mall,
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Asked if we could tour the space,
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And they were willing to let us do that.
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And so we built out this whole plan with this architect.
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Because you guys were right
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Next to it, like a hot topic, you know?
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Wouldn't that be. kind of crazy?
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You come over, here we go, you guys.
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We were right next to a vape store.
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That was fun.
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Okay. yeah. put them out of business.
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So did. you really? hey, you know.
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And so, but, yeah.
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So the our architect wound up calling us and saying this space
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That we've built out,
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It doesn't have egress directly out doors,
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And you need it directly outdoors for an assembly space.
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And i was so pissed because we had spent like 50 to $100,000
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On design and architectural drawings,
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Planning and all that stuff.
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And then i was mad at the mall for not knowing
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Or not telling us
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That we can't use it, and we spent all this money.
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So i drew up like a on the map of a mall, like,
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Give us this area that has egress.
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They came back and said, no, it was more it was it was larger
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And it was like prime real estate inside
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The mall is directly across from the movie theater.
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And, and so we prayed enough as it for three days that,
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You know, praying and fasting will change things.
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You know, it will change things.
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We prayed and fast for three days.
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They called us back and said,
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Listen, we'll give you that space,
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But we're only going to give you a half a million for
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For ten and allowance.
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And i was like, i didn't ask for ten allowance.
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Only a half a million. like, okay, fine. you know. fine.
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And so we wound up building outer space
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In the middle of a mall, and we've been there for now.
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Five years.
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Yeah, five years.
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And at that time, how how big was the church?
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The church at that time was probably
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Just prior to covid.
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Covid killed everything.
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You had to rebuild again. that was probably
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We were probably about 450, 500 people ready.
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Yeah. it's good. yeah.
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I know with church
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Planning there's statistics and it really is.
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I mean, it was a hump for us to to get over the 200 mark.
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Like, i don't know why, but it seems like
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A lot of churches get really stuck.
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Yeah at a 200 mark.
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And a lot of it deals too, with leadership.
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Because it's the pastor, the lead pastor is doing
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Everything for everybody.
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Like churches cannot grow past 200 because you can't do it.
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You just can't be there for everybody.
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And so once you get the leadership team
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Right and trained well and had that help that you need,
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All of a sudden things can explode. a little bit more.
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But it's like once you get past the 200,
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You really start to see a lot of growth.
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At least for us. it's good. yeah, we saw.
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Was like we dealt with that for a little while
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And then we started growing, growing, growing, growing. yeah.
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And so now you guys are what would you say.
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We're about a thousand people or. 8000. people on a sunday.
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Yeah.
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So you guys a little similar to us
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As far as like just being packed in.
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Your packed three services.
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Two services. right. two now we had three.
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We dropped down to two. we created overflow.
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Space is wild.
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Yeah i was just tired of the lot.
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Yeah.
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The three services was more driven.
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Going back to two services with overflow was more driven by
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We wanted to take our time and service.
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We just didn't love the cookie
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Cutter, like, get them and get them out.
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Get them and get them out. yeah, i hate that.
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And it's so hard to do because really, you only have
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Like a five hour stretch.
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Eight, nine, ten, 11, 12 to like that.
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People want to come to church.
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I heard a guy, yes, say recently
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That you'll never really be able to grow your church
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More than two and a half times the size of your auditorium.
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Yeah. you know, you just you just really can't.
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And you also have to think about parking.
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Yeah.
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Like, if people have nowhere to park,
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Then you're not going to fill up the auditorium, which is what?
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The mall's. awesome. yeah. the malls and we.
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It's snows where i live, and i'll have to worry about.
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None of it.
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They do every year. the malls got it all covered.
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That's great. and that's great. so.
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So you guys are growing.
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And so how does it feel now like leadership wise,
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Especially for any church planner
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That may be watching this podcast.
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And you're trying to figure out,
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Okay, what is your leadership style?
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What is your culture? what is your vision?
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What kind of encouragement?
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What kind of advice could you give to somebody
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Listening that's
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Kind of on their journey right now to starting a church?
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I mean, the first thing i would
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Say is plant the gospel, not the church.
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You need to see yourself as a missionary
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More than anything else.
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It's so easy.
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And i would try to stay in that realm forever,
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Because it's so easy to get sucked
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Into trying to grow the church and all these things.
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And it's like, tell as many people as you can about jesus.
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Right. time is running out.
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We have no we have no idea when his return will be.
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But it feels like it could be at any moment.
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Tell as many people as you can about
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Jesus as often as you can tell people are about jesus
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And try to get them connected to each other in the church
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And get them, discipled and all of those things.
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Right. but, yeah,
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Plant the gospel.
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Right.
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And, and so that'd be the first thing i would say is
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Most important, see yourself as a missionary.
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We need more missionaries.
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Yeah.
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You know, we need more missionaries.
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So that's that's key.
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You have to redefine yourself, as a leader often.
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I don't know if you've experienced that, but,
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I'm constantly having to reevaluate how i spend my time.
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My energy, what my schedule looks like.
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Where am i putting my efforts?
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Because it.
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As the church evolves and grows, your role has to shift, too.
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Yeah.
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Also, it's really hard as a leader
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If you don't have other solid, strong leaders around you,
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Like coaching you.
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You don't walk with a lot of leadership
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Confidence, which i think is important to have.
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Yeah.
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And so i've constantly had to have people in my life
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Or like a call away where i'm like
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And like,
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Help me walk through this particular
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Thing, whether it be a staffing issue
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Or it could be a growth barrier or it could be a personal
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Heart thing, right?
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Whatever it is like, help me work through this thing.
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Having those people are so stinking important.
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Because otherwise you're trying to figure it out
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Almost by yourself. yeah, and that's dangerous.
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Lonely place to be.
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Super lonely. yeah.
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I would also say in like,
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Your soul is the most important thing.
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And leading from a healthy place is the most important thing.
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Yeah.
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Which a lot, which is
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Really hard to do.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if you've experienced that.
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I think i
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Get you get caught up in the grind.
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And you forget that like everything is bird
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That a prayer.
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And solitude.
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Yeah.
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And time alone and investing in me.
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My, my primary church is my what's underneath my roof.
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My family and my kids and that's,
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That's where i want to invest the majority of my time.
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I want to,
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I want to lay down at the end of my years
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On my deathbed and hear the well done,
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Good and faithful servant.
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But i also want to say,
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You know, i want to hear like, well, well done, dad.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know, well done. if you don't want.
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To get to a point in ministry where you've done so much for
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Everybody else,
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So much for.
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The church.
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That your, your children can't stay in the.
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Church. yeah.
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Where they feel like they've been neglected
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Or even your spouse. yeah.
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Feeling neglected.
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And so to me, that kind of raises a good question.
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Like, how do you, how do you balance time?
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Like there's church world, especially a growing church.
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God's doing supernatural things.
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There's a lot to get done. there's a lot to do.
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And so every day i know it's easy to look at my schedule
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And be like, man, i'm
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Going to be busy from the moment i get here. yeah.
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Till almost 10:00 at night.
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Yeah.
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You know, how do i balance a couple things.
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How do i how do i balance time with god and and
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How do i also make sure, like, my family is taken care of.
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Yeah. like they see dad.
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You know, my children get to see dad.
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My my wife gets to see me home, be her husband.
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Not just at home working and yeah, doing something
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Else, writing another sermon. right.
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How do you balance it so.
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Well to be honest, this is probably the area where
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I think we've, as a family, we've thrived the most.
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Okay, okay.
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If i'm being real, yeah, i think i'm a better dad.
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And husband than i am a pastor.
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And i don't mean that in, like, an arrogant way at all.
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I'm just mean that i have i've had seasons where
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That's been difficult.
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But i would say overall over the course of the last 15 years,
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Like all of my kids, they all love jesus.
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All of my kids love the church.
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They serve in the church. they
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They have their deepest friendships in the church.
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They have discipleship that happens there, discipling
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Others.
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They're being discipled by other people in our church.
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Like my my marriage is right now as healthy as it's ever been.
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Awesome.
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And we've just always done our best to prioritize family.
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It also went to europe, right? yeah, we just went to europe.
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Yeah, as a family, which was dope.
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But i think that this is that is i've been content.
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I mean, this, bro, and i would encourage anybody watching this
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And i'd encourage you.
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And be okay with, with being a c
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Plus pastor in an a plus husband and a plus dad.
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That's good. you will have time bro.
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Like you will have plenty of time it lord willing.
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To really be an a-plus pastor you will.
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Yeah. right.
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But you cannot be an a-plus pastor.
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An a-plus dad and an a-plus husband.
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You can't.
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You just can't do it.
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Yeah, i don't know about you, but i know about me.
00:28:16.955 --> 00:28:19.157
I'm not a straight-a student.
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Yeah, i'm definitely. you know, i can.
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And so finding that i've not ever found the balance
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For that, i've never found it.
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I, i have always given my wife, like, i call it a trump card.
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You know, that's not maga.
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That's like, you know what i'm saying? and.
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You know, like, like.
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But i gave her a trump card as, like, early.
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And that was early on.
00:28:41.246 --> 00:28:42.213
I was encouraged by a mentor of mine,
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At a greensboro, north carolina, allen homes.
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And i was complaining one day about my wife wanting my time.
00:28:47.786 --> 00:28:51.656
And i'm, like, trying to get this church off the ground.
00:28:51.656 --> 00:28:53.725
And i and, and he was like, do you think
00:28:53.725 --> 00:28:56.895
Do you think she doesn't want you to be a good pastor?
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And i was like, no.
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He's like,
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Do you think that she wants you to just also make sure
00:29:03.368 --> 00:29:06.337
That you're a good husband and a good dad,
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Because that's what qualifies you to be a pastor.
00:29:08.439 --> 00:29:11.509
And i was like, yeah.
00:29:11.509 --> 00:29:12.410
He was like, i think you need to listen
00:29:12.410 --> 00:29:15.847
Listen more.
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Yeah.
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And it really challenged me to listen to, to beth.
00:29:18.316 --> 00:29:20.218
And so i remember literally i said you get a trump card.
00:29:20.218 --> 00:29:23.154
And whatever you say is like as far as time is concerned.
00:29:23.154 --> 00:29:26.057
Right. like not that you dictate every move that i make.
00:29:26.057 --> 00:29:28.726
It wasn't like weird like that, but it was just like
00:29:28.726 --> 00:29:30.995
You have the ability to use wisely your voice in my life.
00:29:30.995 --> 00:29:35.300
And if you feel like i'm, i need to be somewhere or not
00:29:35.300 --> 00:29:39.537
Be somewhere, i want you to to use that, and i'll trust you.
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Yeah.
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And she's done that so well, and i.
00:29:44.242 --> 00:29:46.211
I give my wife so much credit. my wife's name is beth.
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She's amazing.
00:29:48.746 --> 00:29:49.614
And i give her so much credit because
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I think my kids would say i've been a good, faithful dad.
00:29:51.316 --> 00:29:55.320
And i have great relationships with my kids now.
00:29:55.320 --> 00:29:57.555
My kids are 21, 20, 18 and 16, and i would say they're
00:29:57.555 --> 00:30:01.359
All my best friends of mine.
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And i got a beautiful family man.
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Thank you bro, you know, thank you.
00:30:04.896 --> 00:30:06.030
And i can tell you're really close
00:30:06.030 --> 00:30:07.599
With all your kids and you're sending some off to college.
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.268
And. yeah, but i give my wife so much credit in that
00:30:10.268 --> 00:30:13.471
Because she really encouraged me to not
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Not try to keep balance.
00:30:18.109 --> 00:30:19.944
Because it's impossible to do. yeah.
00:30:19.944 --> 00:30:22.247
You know,
00:30:22.247 --> 00:30:23.081
You know, one of the conversations
00:30:23.081 --> 00:30:24.082
We're having lately in our family,
00:30:24.082 --> 00:30:26.017
Which i'm super excited for, at the same time,
00:30:26.017 --> 00:30:28.219
There's one side of me that kind of scares me.
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Just because everything's so busy is like,
00:30:30.922 --> 00:30:33.224
Our kids are getting more and more into sports,
00:30:33.224 --> 00:30:36.227
And i love that. you know what i look at.
00:30:36.227 --> 00:30:37.962
But i'm also looking
00:30:37.962 --> 00:30:38.663
At the schedules like my
00:30:38.663 --> 00:30:40.164
My little girl is she wants to be a cheerleader now.
00:30:40.164 --> 00:30:42.634
And so she's doing that.
00:30:42.634 --> 00:30:43.801
And there's going to be some, some traveling with that.
00:30:43.801 --> 00:30:45.837
Yeah. and then,
00:30:45.837 --> 00:30:47.705
One of my boys plays soccer, but he's also thinking
00:30:47.705 --> 00:30:50.041
About football.
00:30:50.041 --> 00:30:51.075
And then, my oldest, he likes doing.
00:30:51.075 --> 00:30:53.678
He likes running. yeah.
00:30:53.678 --> 00:30:55.313
He likes working out with his dad. yeah.
00:30:55.313 --> 00:30:57.615
We have a great time. and so,
00:30:57.615 --> 00:30:59.150
Right now i'm in that zone.
00:30:59.751 --> 00:31:01.319
My kids are younger, you know, my oldest just turned 13,
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:05.356
And then i got a ten year old and an eight year old.
00:31:05.356 --> 00:31:07.091
But it's like, all right,
00:31:07.091 --> 00:31:08.559
I want to make sure that they do as much as possible.
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:12.664
And i'm there. yeah. at all those events.
00:31:12.664 --> 00:31:15.266
Yeah.
00:31:15.266 --> 00:31:16.167
You know, i don't want to hold them back
00:31:16.167 --> 00:31:17.035
Just because dad's got a sermon prep.
00:31:17.035 --> 00:31:19.037
Yeah, on a saturday,
00:31:19.037 --> 00:31:20.571
You know what i mean?
00:31:20.571 --> 00:31:21.139
But at the same time,
00:31:21.139 --> 00:31:22.407
The word of god is a heavy weight.
00:31:22.407 --> 00:31:24.208
It is that the lord has entrusted me with. so it's.
00:31:24.208 --> 00:31:26.844
It's.
00:31:26.844 --> 00:31:27.612
Time management,
00:31:27.612 --> 00:31:29.213
You know, making
00:31:29.213 --> 00:31:30.148
Sure your family is heard and loved and
00:31:30.148 --> 00:31:32.350
And not just taking those things away
00:31:32.350 --> 00:31:33.751
Because you're scared because you're going to be busy.
00:31:33.751 --> 00:31:35.720
Yeah, i know one of the things that works
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.022
Well for us, and something that i remind even our staff
00:31:38.022 --> 00:31:41.459
Here is like, take a sabbath, like pick a day for me.
00:31:41.459 --> 00:31:45.663
It's friday. yep.
00:31:45.663 --> 00:31:47.298
And the church knows, like, you know,
00:31:47.298 --> 00:31:49.467
Don't bother me on a friday.
00:31:49.467 --> 00:31:51.069
I don't want to deal with, church stuff.
00:31:51.069 --> 00:31:53.237
I want to focus on my family.
00:31:53.237 --> 00:31:55.206
It's been the entire day with just them.
00:31:55.206 --> 00:31:56.808
So whatever we do, we do.
00:31:56.808 --> 00:31:58.176
And one thing that me and my wife,
00:31:58.176 --> 00:32:00.511
Christy have decided a long time ago.
00:32:00.511 --> 00:32:03.014
You know, she told me a long time ago,
00:32:03.014 --> 00:32:04.115
I don't
00:32:04.115 --> 00:32:04.983
I don't like you working all day long
00:32:04.983 --> 00:32:06.017
And then coming home and working more. yeah.
00:32:06.017 --> 00:32:08.419
You know, and so i took that.
00:32:08.419 --> 00:32:10.054
She said that he did she say it really sweetly.
00:32:10.054 --> 00:32:11.789
Said it just like that.
00:32:11.789 --> 00:32:12.991
That's a shame that i don't. i don't like you doing that.
00:32:12.991 --> 00:32:15.326
I just don't like it, you know, and editing
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And stuff like that too.
00:32:17.061 --> 00:32:18.129
Because i told you i'd edit my own social media and
00:32:18.129 --> 00:32:21.065
And writing sermons.
00:32:21.065 --> 00:32:22.100
And so all this stuff can be time consuming.
00:32:22.100 --> 00:32:24.602
And so i have, i have taken that word.
00:32:24.602 --> 00:32:28.740
And so when i come home, i'm not going to do any work
00:32:28.740 --> 00:32:31.576
Like i'm going to spend time with her.
00:32:31.576 --> 00:32:33.277
Because how do you shut off, though?
00:32:33.277 --> 00:32:35.513
It's hard and.
00:32:35.513 --> 00:32:36.614
It is it is. really hard is that's hard for me to.
00:32:36.614 --> 00:32:38.616
How do you do it?
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I think i do. you do it.
00:32:39.717 --> 00:32:41.419
Well to a degree. like i'm there. i'm present.
00:32:41.419 --> 00:32:43.788
I think every pastor, though
00:32:43.788 --> 00:32:45.857
Hearing from the lord like you would just be sitting down,
00:32:45.857 --> 00:32:47.859
Not even try, like you heard a word from god.
00:32:47.859 --> 00:32:49.861
But you know what i mean?
00:32:50.428 --> 00:32:51.696
Like, it's like, let me just put on my phone real quick. yeah.
00:32:51.696 --> 00:32:53.598
Because that that's the message god is telling me to preach.
00:32:53.598 --> 00:32:55.900
And i think that's normal. that's just going to happen.
00:32:55.900 --> 00:32:57.668
Yeah.
00:32:57.668 --> 00:32:59.470
But sometimes, sometimes.
00:32:59.470 --> 00:33:01.539
So we have two days throughout the week
00:33:01.539 --> 00:33:02.840
That she knows i might not come home
00:33:02.840 --> 00:33:04.542
Till like, 10:00, and we're okay with that.
00:33:04.542 --> 00:33:06.911
Yeah. so, like, all my work is done, like, i got it done.
00:33:06.911 --> 00:33:09.747
By the time i get home, i'm spent.
00:33:09.747 --> 00:33:11.516
And i know she wants to have a conversation
00:33:11.516 --> 00:33:13.217
Because she's been with the kids all day. yeah, she.
00:33:13.217 --> 00:33:15.019
Stayed home, mom, right now.
00:33:15.019 --> 00:33:16.220
And that's always been a dream. she loves it.
00:33:16.220 --> 00:33:19.190
But she's been talking to kids all day,
00:33:19.190 --> 00:33:20.324
So she wants to talk to me, so i need to be present.
00:33:20.324 --> 00:33:22.060
I'm not always perfect in that. yeah, sometimes i'm like,
00:33:22.060 --> 00:33:24.729
I really can't think right now, but.
00:33:24.729 --> 00:33:28.199
But there's also days where, like, right,
00:33:28.199 --> 00:33:30.268
She knows i'm going to be home by a certain
00:33:30.268 --> 00:33:31.736
Time. and it's just,
00:33:31.736 --> 00:33:33.071
You know, thursdays are my sermon writing day.
00:33:33.071 --> 00:33:35.673
I get her early, i get me chick-fil-a breakfast.
00:33:35.673 --> 00:33:39.177
Like, it's like, you know, the lord's
00:33:39.177 --> 00:33:40.411
Chicken just helps me think.
00:33:40.411 --> 00:33:42.080
And it's also my cheat days.
00:33:42.080 --> 00:33:43.414
I could eat whatever i want. nice.
00:33:43.414 --> 00:33:44.715
And i'll write.
00:33:44.715 --> 00:33:45.783
And i try to be home by a certain time.
00:33:45.783 --> 00:33:47.351
And then friday is is like family day.
00:33:47.351 --> 00:33:49.821
And to be honest with you,
00:33:49.821 --> 00:33:51.689
I don't know.
00:33:52.056 --> 00:33:53.157
It's because those are the days i just grind so hard
00:33:53.157 --> 00:33:55.960
And i try to schedule what needs to be scheduled
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.396
That my mind is actually like, oh, i need a breather.
00:33:58.396 --> 00:34:01.399
Yeah, because i believe, at least for me,
00:34:01.399 --> 00:34:04.669
Even when you're doing something you love,
00:34:04.669 --> 00:34:06.704
If you're doing it every day nonstop, you start to hate it.
00:34:06.704 --> 00:34:09.540
Yes, you get almost start to hate the things you love
00:34:09.540 --> 00:34:12.376
Just because you're not taking breaks. yes.
00:34:12.376 --> 00:34:15.313
And so i can recognize when i'm getting to that point,
00:34:15.313 --> 00:34:17.482
When i'm starting to not care
00:34:17.482 --> 00:34:19.484
And starting to be like,
00:34:19.484 --> 00:34:21.219
I got to speak like it's
00:34:21.219 --> 00:34:22.320
An amazing opportunity to go preach like.
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.822
Like this is a huge place and it's.
00:34:24.822 --> 00:34:26.457
Really cool what they're doing.
00:34:26.457 --> 00:34:27.525
It's like.
00:34:27.525 --> 00:34:27.859
Yeah, how.
00:34:27.859 --> 00:34:28.693
Can i feel like i don't want to go?
00:34:28.693 --> 00:34:30.828
It's because i'm tired. i'm tired.
00:34:30.828 --> 00:34:32.830
You know? and you gotta.
00:34:32.830 --> 00:34:33.798
And so balancing that out,
00:34:33.798 --> 00:34:35.399
I think it will always be a struggle though in your mind,
00:34:35.399 --> 00:34:38.069
Because you're always thinking about people.
00:34:38.069 --> 00:34:39.337
You're always thinking about sermons,
00:34:39.337 --> 00:34:40.638
Always thinking about like,
00:34:40.638 --> 00:34:42.640
Oh my goodness, i forgot about that problem.
00:34:42.640 --> 00:34:44.442
And we still haven't. fixed that issue. and there's people.
00:34:44.442 --> 00:34:46.577
And who's at the church, you know.
00:34:46.577 --> 00:34:48.279
Like it's always so. yeah.
00:34:48.279 --> 00:34:50.848
And when your as your kids get older, as our kids got older
00:34:50.848 --> 00:34:53.718
It became easier a little bit easier.
00:34:53.718 --> 00:34:55.486
They became a little bit more independent
00:34:55.486 --> 00:34:57.021
Which allowed me to be.
00:34:57.021 --> 00:34:58.189
Yeah, a little. bit more autonomous as well.
00:34:58.189 --> 00:35:01.526
But those
00:35:01.826 --> 00:35:03.060
Early years where you're at right now is, is the hardest.
00:35:03.060 --> 00:35:05.429
Yeah. and i would just say like, make sure you steward that so.
00:35:05.429 --> 00:35:08.132
Well, because you don't you'll never get.
00:35:08.132 --> 00:35:10.368
And my kids are older. i'll never get those years back.
00:35:10.368 --> 00:35:12.837
Yeah.
00:35:12.837 --> 00:35:13.504
I like sitting the other day
00:35:13.504 --> 00:35:14.705
Yesterday sitting yesterday at lunch.
00:35:14.705 --> 00:35:17.842
Like watching your kids.
00:35:17.842 --> 00:35:18.943
They're so sweet, dude. they all love each other.
00:35:18.943 --> 00:35:21.012
They're sitting there like.
00:35:21.012 --> 00:35:22.246
They're just, like.
00:35:22.246 --> 00:35:23.147
The best friends, you know? yeah.
00:35:23.147 --> 00:35:25.082
Yeah, man. like, i look at my.
00:35:25.082 --> 00:35:27.985
My kids are still like that.
00:35:27.985 --> 00:35:29.387
But somehow i think and i think a lot of it had to do
00:35:29.387 --> 00:35:33.090
With the way that we managed our time.
00:35:33.090 --> 00:35:35.092
And we emphasized our fam like family time.
00:35:35.092 --> 00:35:37.862
Yeah.
00:35:37.862 --> 00:35:39.497
And now here we are.
00:35:39.497 --> 00:35:40.565
And they're in their,
00:35:40.565 --> 00:35:41.799
You know, late teens, early 20s, and they're still like that.
00:35:41.799 --> 00:35:45.069
Yeah.
00:35:45.069 --> 00:35:46.270
And there was attention for it, like when puberty started
00:35:46.270 --> 00:35:49.574
To hit, okay.
00:35:49.574 --> 00:35:50.541
For all of our kids, except maybe one,
00:35:50.541 --> 00:35:53.945
It wasn't so bad, but for all of our kids,
00:35:53.945 --> 00:35:55.613
For the most part, when puberty, like,
00:35:55.613 --> 00:35:57.014
Started to hit right, that estrogen started to hit.
00:35:57.014 --> 00:35:59.217
Yeah, right. testosterone started to in.
00:35:59.217 --> 00:36:01.452
They started to push away a little bit.
00:36:01.452 --> 00:36:04.188
And i had a guy tell me years ago,
00:36:04.188 --> 00:36:05.523
You're going to feel that a little bit,
00:36:05.523 --> 00:36:07.225
Just a little bit where they want a little bit of autonomy.
00:36:07.225 --> 00:36:10.294
They want a little bit of like and it's testing.
00:36:10.294 --> 00:36:13.064
They want to see
00:36:13.064 --> 00:36:14.365
What you're going to do as they try to push away.
00:36:15.366 --> 00:36:17.602
And i had a guy tell me years ago
00:36:17.602 --> 00:36:19.070
He's talking specifically about his daughters.
00:36:19.070 --> 00:36:21.339
When that happens, you're going to feel
00:36:21.339 --> 00:36:23.741
Almost like a sense of rejection from your own kids.
00:36:23.741 --> 00:36:26.844
Like they they want to do their own thing.
00:36:26.844 --> 00:36:29.146
They need their time.
00:36:29.146 --> 00:36:30.047
They got their little attitude towards you.
00:36:30.047 --> 00:36:32.149
And he was like, it is not personal.
00:36:32.149 --> 00:36:34.018
You lean into that.
00:36:34.018 --> 00:36:35.386
And so when my daughters were like ten and 12,
00:36:35.386 --> 00:36:40.024
I would say almost every single night
00:36:40.024 --> 00:36:43.461
I put them to bed late in bed with them for an hour.
00:36:43.461 --> 00:36:46.063
Yeah.
00:36:46.063 --> 00:36:46.998
I had the two of them, one under each arm,
00:36:46.998 --> 00:36:48.799
And we would just
00:36:48.799 --> 00:36:50.001
Laugh and talk for an hour long almost every single night.
00:36:50.001 --> 00:36:52.703
Yeah.
00:36:52.703 --> 00:36:53.271
And now at 20 and 18,
00:36:53.271 --> 00:36:57.808
My daughters will come say good night, hop in bed with me.
00:36:57.808 --> 00:37:02.146
Cuddle up still underneath each arm and still talk and sleep.
00:37:02.146 --> 00:37:06.183
And it's really special.
00:37:06.183 --> 00:37:07.251
But i think it's in these
00:37:07.251 --> 00:37:08.386
Formidable years where that's established. yeah.
00:37:08.386 --> 00:37:10.655
And you're going to and they're going to try to push away.
00:37:10.655 --> 00:37:12.256
And when they were pushing away it's like weird.
00:37:12.256 --> 00:37:14.258
Yeah.
00:37:14.258 --> 00:37:14.925
You know, i remember when my
00:37:14.925 --> 00:37:16.127
One of my daughters was like, you love mom more than me.
00:37:16.127 --> 00:37:19.063
I know you do that.
00:37:19.063 --> 00:37:20.965
And i was like, what is happening right now?
00:37:20.965 --> 00:37:23.134
You know. what? i'm saying?
00:37:23.134 --> 00:37:24.001
Yeah.
00:37:24.001 --> 00:37:24.502
And she was like,
00:37:24.502 --> 00:37:25.503
It was like two years of just straight, like,
00:37:25.503 --> 00:37:27.238
Drama with her, man.
00:37:27.238 --> 00:37:28.673
All the. feels, you know?
00:37:28.673 --> 00:37:30.775
But, man, i just let you lean in, dude.
00:37:30.775 --> 00:37:32.643
Just lean. in. yeah.
00:37:32.643 --> 00:37:33.778
Lean in. don't let him push you away.
00:37:33.778 --> 00:37:35.346
What is that saying?
00:37:35.346 --> 00:37:36.580
Like you'll never know the last day you pick up your child.
00:37:36.580 --> 00:37:39.350
Like you never think about it.
00:37:39.950 --> 00:37:41.719
Yeah, and it's so true.
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:43.154
And so, you know, my kid just turned 13. yeah.
00:37:43.154 --> 00:37:45.990
And i'm like, bro, i can still pick you up,
00:37:45.990 --> 00:37:47.958
And i'll just pick him up
00:37:47.958 --> 00:37:49.026
And i'll keep picking you up until i'm
00:37:49.026 --> 00:37:51.162
Just an old man and can't do it anymore.
00:37:51.162 --> 00:37:53.597
I still kiss my boys, i don't care.
00:37:53.597 --> 00:37:55.266
I kiss my boys right on their face.
00:37:55.266 --> 00:37:56.867
Do you jacob? my. my youngest is 16.
00:37:56.867 --> 00:37:58.969
Oh, come in and give me a hug. is next there.
00:37:58.969 --> 00:38:00.905
Yeah, yeah, it's. you're right on your neck, right?
00:38:00.905 --> 00:38:03.474
I don't care like,
00:38:03.474 --> 00:38:04.742
You know, but again, we we have such a fatherless generation.
00:38:04.742 --> 00:38:08.112
We do. okay.
00:38:08.112 --> 00:38:09.580
That has made affection between dads and their sons.
00:38:09.580 --> 00:38:13.417
So weird.
00:38:13.417 --> 00:38:14.585
Yes. and it's weird because it's a fatherless generation.
00:38:14.585 --> 00:38:17.154
It's not supposed to be weird. yeah. masculinity isn't.
00:38:17.154 --> 00:38:20.057
Don't show affection to other men. yes.
00:38:20.057 --> 00:38:22.560
That's not what masculinity is.
00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:24.061
Masculinity is knowing who you are in christ,
00:38:24.061 --> 00:38:27.231
To the point where i'm not embarrassed to be vulnerable
00:38:27.231 --> 00:38:30.301
Enough to show affection to another man of affection.
00:38:30.301 --> 00:38:33.437
I always, you know, studying on david.
00:38:33.437 --> 00:38:36.340
Here's a
00:38:36.340 --> 00:38:37.575
Man that literally would come in, kill tens of thousands.
00:38:37.575 --> 00:38:41.011
Mighty warrior, mr.
00:38:41.011 --> 00:38:42.680
Steel, your girl, you know, like, yeah.
00:38:42.680 --> 00:38:44.815
Can say he had everything.
00:38:44.815 --> 00:38:46.117
Yeah, but he wrote poetry. yeah, like he showed love.
00:38:46.117 --> 00:38:48.753
He. he's the reason we honestly write worship songs today.
00:38:48.753 --> 00:38:52.590
Like the things that he created and how he express his feelings
00:38:52.590 --> 00:38:55.693
Over to the lord. and.
00:38:55.693 --> 00:38:56.594
Yeah, you know, it's it's you're right.
00:38:56.594 --> 00:38:59.130
Like, it's not being cold hearted.
00:38:59.130 --> 00:39:01.265
It's not just like push and push and grind, grind, grind,
00:39:01.265 --> 00:39:04.368
You know, show affection like i do want to motivate my sons
00:39:04.368 --> 00:39:07.671
And motivate my children.
00:39:07.671 --> 00:39:08.806
But it's also like, man, come give me a hug.
00:39:08.806 --> 00:39:11.375
Yeah. like, how's your day?
00:39:11.375 --> 00:39:13.377
You know, yeah, i want i always want to have that bond,
00:39:13.377 --> 00:39:16.580
Like, you know, and i'm starting to see them getting older.
00:39:16.580 --> 00:39:19.950
Like i said, you know, micah just starting.
00:39:19.950 --> 00:39:21.952
His voice is changing. that makes me sad.
00:39:21.952 --> 00:39:24.755
You better not like me talking about this right now.
00:39:24.755 --> 00:39:26.791
But he's my son is muscles.
00:39:26.791 --> 00:39:28.459
My son looks like you kind of.
00:39:28.459 --> 00:39:30.094
Yeah. this is. wild.
00:39:30.094 --> 00:39:31.395
I'm like, bro, i. don't do me. i don't want you.
00:39:31.395 --> 00:39:34.265
He's like, you want to arm wrestle?
00:39:34.265 --> 00:39:35.332
I was like, i'd rather not, you know?
00:39:35.332 --> 00:39:37.802
Oh, man. well, i appreciate your time.
00:39:37.802 --> 00:39:39.603
I appreciate, like i said, it was such an honor
00:39:39.603 --> 00:39:42.306
To have you out of here. wow.
00:39:42.306 --> 00:39:43.607
That you and your wife, coming all the way from the boston area
00:39:43.607 --> 00:39:47.778
To be here at authentic church.
00:39:47.778 --> 00:39:49.447
Lord blessed us yesterday.
00:39:49.447 --> 00:39:51.615
He preached this yesterday to the church.
00:39:51.615 --> 00:39:53.617
Three services killed it. it's on youtube.
00:39:53.617 --> 00:39:56.420
If you'd like to go check it out.
00:39:56.420 --> 00:39:58.355
The man. it's it's so great to have you here.
00:39:58.355 --> 00:40:00.558
And also the friendship love that god is.
00:40:00.558 --> 00:40:03.527
It's really special. to you, brother. seriously, man.
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And i feel like,
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You know, i told you, i feel like god is is raising up
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Some honestly, some new pastors right now in this time that's,
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Really unashamed of the gospel.
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And unashamed to tackle some really hard subjects. right.
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But is setting people free, and i believe you're one of them.
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Like, i believe that god is really raising you up.
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The favor that he's shown you already is.
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It's going to increase. thank you.
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More doors are going to open like doors that you, you know,
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Would not have believed were possible.
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Just a few years back. yeah.
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And so,
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With that being said, too,
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Is there something you can say to everybody watching,
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About believing the impossible?
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Just kind of encourage them really quick.
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Yeah. how to move by faith and what that looks like.
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Yeah.
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I mean, like, the story of my life
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Is i look back on my entire life and i think, how in the world
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Did i get here?
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Here's a kid who, you know, grew up in a broken home.
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Parents split up when i was four years old and,
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Had never met a christian and
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Diagnosed adhd.
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I'm pretty sure i got some dyslexia going on
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Because when i opened up the book,
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I'd start reading backwards.
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Every once in a while i'm like, what is happening?
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But but here, here i am in like the lord in a special way
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And not a massive way, but in a in a small way
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Is using my life and the life of my family and i.
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I could genuinely say i never thought that
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Most of the things that i get to experience in life
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Would have ever been possible.
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Some of the things that i thought that i was laying down
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Because i was picking up a ministry mantle or things that,
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I never really laid down the lord, just prolonged
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When he would, when he would hand it to me.
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And, and that is, that is the story of god
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Where he does a measurably more with immeasurably less
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Than you can imagine. and so,
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So anyway.
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Yeah, like, keep chasing jesus, you're
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The best thing in your life.
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And if you know,
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If you're not, let me ask you, like, how's life going?
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Right. chase.
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Jesus. and so,
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Time's running out.
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Who knows when he's coming back, when he's going to return.
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Let's just spend these last days that we have, like,
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Pursuing and chasing the lord in our own broken ways.
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Do not. it's not perfection.
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It's not perfection at all.
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You'll never obtain like actual holiness, right?
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We receive holiness as a gift.
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But, man, we press on long obedience in the same direction
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As what eugene peterson calls it, right?
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Long obedience in the same direction.
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And then what you'll find
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Is that one day you'll look back and be like,
00:42:41.285 --> 00:42:43.153
Man, i am not who i used to be.
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And it will blow your mind,
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Because you would have thought that that was impossible.
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And and so,
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Yeah.
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Yeah. man. him.
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Well, thank you guys for joining us today.
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And i hope that this blessed you.
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Season.
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Three. me?
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And the reason i even bring it up tonight
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Is because when it comes to you knowing jesus
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The man, the gospel message is all about
00:43:43.247 --> 00:43:47.151
Your understanding of the message about the man
00:43:47.151 --> 00:43:51.422
Who inform your methods of getting to know the man.
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That this job doesn't work out for me.
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What if i move my life by faith and it all just
00:44:27.891 --> 00:44:31.628
Crumbles to the ground? what if it works?
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What if god shows up and changes your life forever?
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But i would rather move by faith
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And even fail and fail and fail and know that i follow god.
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And i ended up exactly where i needed to be.
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You know what today is
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Pentecost sunday,
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Pentecost sunday.
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Who? you better
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Not ask the holy ghost preacher to preach on pentecost sunday.
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I came here to remind you
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You need the holy spirit.
00:45:33.557 --> 00:45:33.557

Bobby Chandler - When God Says Move (Part 2)

August 25, 2025 | S1 E28 | 47:20

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