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Charlie Kirk Today | Alex Berenson: February 13, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | February 13, 2026
- We want to
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- Start today's show by unpacking some of the newest details
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- Involving the trans shooter in canada.
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- The left nine dead, including himself,
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- As well as his stepbrother, a 12 year old stepbrother
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- And his mom,
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- And then killing a bunch of kids and one teacher.
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- The kids were between 12 and 13.
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- It's just an absolutely excruciating story,
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- But some of the details that have emerged
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- Have been raising eyebrows just because they are.
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- So, i would say troubling,
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- Demonic, frightening.
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- And we have to play this video because i think
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- It sets the tone for what we're about to unpack now,
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- This is the alleged
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- Canada shooter laughing maniacally.
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- And i want you to look at this video of this individual
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- And then realize that instead of getting mental
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- Help or spiritual help, the officials in canada
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- Instead decided to pour poison and drugs
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- And more accessories down his throat
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- Well, for those of you that see it, he's
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- He does makeup on like he's the joker from the dark knight.
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- Like on his, on his face.
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- Kind of, you know, like heath ledger from the dark knight,
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- Seems to be, like, cackling to himself.
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- And that's such a it's an underrated
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- Because they would basically censor
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- A part of the radical transgender
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- Ideology is so much of it is people who get lost in
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- Fictional worlds.
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- They want to become fictional characters.
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- One reason
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- When people change their names, they tend to not just pick
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- A feminine version of their original name.
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- They'll pick like a totally new one.
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- Like they're like they're creating a new character
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- In a video game.
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- And that's one of something
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- Incredible that was found the other day.
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- And matt walsh posted this and basically saying
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- These people are not mentally well
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- And everyone on the pro transgender reddit
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- Flipped out at the time.
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- It went viral at the time, and now here we are,
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- Three years later,
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- And it appears the owner of that account is
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- The young man who murdered two of his family members,
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- And then a bunch of innocent people at has
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- A bunch of innocent children at his own school.
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- Yeah,
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- And we have the video here with the sound,
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- And i wanted to play it
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- With the sound, because when you see this
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- With the audio, i think it's even more impactful.
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- It's more terrifying for 69.
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- I. i've never played that video.
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- I'm again.
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- Oh my god. yeah.
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- We will never do that again.
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- But i think it's important
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- Because these are the people that a certain contingent
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- Of the population, mostly radical progressives,
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- Are doing everything in their power to defend,
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- To apologize for, to create avenues
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- And protections, legal or otherwise,
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- And as opposed to getting them the help that they need.
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- You should have compassion on people that have mental
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- Health issues.
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- You should not enable those mental health issues.
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- But a another wrinkle has emerged that this individual
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- Had a roblox account, and this is going to be
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- A repeated theme on this show.
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- Moving forward, we're going to unpack what roblox is
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- And blake is our resident gaming expert here.
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- This is a account.
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- Well, but you probably know more about it than i do.
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- Belonging to the canadian mass shooter.
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- It was discovered by the internet forum
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- Kiwi farms last night.
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- One of the games created by the shooter
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- Is a mall shooting simulator, a mall shooting
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- Simulator modeled after a real mall in canada
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- Where the player can fire into a crowd of
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- Innocent, helpless, terrified civilians.
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- So this is what
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- Young kids can do on roblox.
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- They can create simulations.
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- They can create their own worlds
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- That they can then act out these fantasies.
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- I think this is interesting because actually, the kentucky
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- Attorney general is actually suing roblox
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- And is charting is is,
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- Citing the assassination of charlie
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- As one of his inspirations for doing this?
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- Because he's saying that the gaming platform
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- Is violating child safety
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- By giving them opportunity to create these simulations
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- Where they can shoot ice officers, where they can shoot
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- Dhs officers, where they can, in this instance,
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- Create a simulation where they're attacking,
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- Innocent civilians at a mall modeled after a mall.
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- So if you think this through, you realize that they could be
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- They could be creating an entire map
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- For how they can game out an actual attack on civilians.
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- So they're
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- Creating the map in their head so that they could, in theory,
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- Follow through on an actual shooting
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- Based on the actual layout of a mall
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- In this instance, or any other public space,
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- Any other soft target.
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- So that's the kentucky, attorney general,
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- Russell coleman.
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- And the gaming platform has a 111
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- Million active monthly users.
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- And he's alleging that it lacks guardrails to protect
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- Kids and creates a playground for pedophile dolls
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- To meet potential victims.
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- Which is another
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- Weird wrinkle in this roblox story.
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- So you've got a whole gaming platform
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- That now we know that this kid was on reddit.
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- He was talking about his trans fascination on reddit.
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- He was creating roblox simulations,
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- Where he was doing mass shootings,
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- And then he actually ends up going and doing it
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- And shooting his mom, shooting his stepbrother,
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- Shooting a bunch of kids and a teacher.
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- And meanwhile,
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- The canadian officials
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- We talked about this yesterday went out of their way
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- To protect the identity in the privacy of the shooter,
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- Out of pride, out of privacy concerns.
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- They refused to acknowledge at first that this was a trans
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- Person that shoot shot up everybody in canada.
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- Well, think about that.
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- The, the the absolute upside down nature
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- Of their value system that they would care
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- About the privacy of a mass murderer.
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- Go ahead.
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- Like, yeah. well yeah, they they kept it a secret.
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- Basically.
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- It almost felt like just long enough to like, okay,
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- We have to push this past
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- The first day and then you know,
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- They ultimately can't keep it secret.
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- Who did a massacre like this on the roblox topic?
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- It's.
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- You don't want to fixate on the specific game, though
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- It is true, a ton of people are and it's hugely popular.
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- But you also find these people in minecraft, you find them in
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- Similar games and you'll also see people.
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- We saw this with charlie where people are going in discord
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- Or discord
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- Started as a gaming server for people to discuss games,
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- But now there's a million discords dedicated to
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- Political radicalism dedicated to transgender topics.
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- They radicalize each other on these forums,
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- And i think the big picture thing to be aware of,
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- Like if you're a parent right now,
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- If you're a parent right now, you have to realize
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- There are gigantic online worlds
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- That it's very easy for your children
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- To get sucked into
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- And have it just totally take over their life.
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- If you don't know who your children are talking to online,
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- You have to be aware very dark things could be going on.
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- And it's not that you need to
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- Police everything you do, but you should be talking to them.
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- Who are your friends online and make sure they have friends
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- Offline as well.
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- If they're just marinating in this soup of whatever
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- Is reaching them
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- On the internet all alone with no input from real people
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- Around them, incredibly dark things can be unfolding.
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- And as parents fantasy responsibility,
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- Be aware of that fantasy lead to realities.
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- And for goodness sakes, do not shove
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- Screens down their throats
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- When they're dealing with severe mental illness.
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- My goodness, we'll get into that.
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- And the other side is break.
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- And the other side is break.
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- We have alex berenson joining us.
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- Check out his substack and his book, by the way,
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- Called it's tell you, tell your children
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- The truth about marijuana, mental illness and violence.
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- Alex, welcome back to the show.
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- You are sort of our resident expert on marijuana.
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- You and charlie saw very much
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- Eye to eye on this topic, and it is now back in the news.
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- And i hope your book is selling
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- Like hotcakes because it's so important.
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- Hope you're getting a, a fresh infusion of that.
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- Because the new york times has admitted
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- That we've been right all along for 50 is the image.
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- It's time for america to admit it has a marijuana problem.
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- Big, big admission from the new york
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- Times, your former employer, by the way.
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- Almost like maybe you still have friends back there
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- That are listening to you. alex,
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- Tell us, what the new york times admitted and why now?
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- Sure.
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- So, i mean, by the way, it's interesting
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- You mentioned about the book because even before the times
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- Put this out, it seemed to me
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- That there was something in the ether happening
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- With people
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- Becoming aware, increasingly
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- Aware of the problems with cannabis and thc.
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- I think
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- Because so many, you know, so many young people are using
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- And using very high potency vapes,
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- What's called dabbing, which is essentially smoking
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- Chunks of thc, which is the active chemical in cannabis.
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- And when you use that way in particular,
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- You can really knock yourself out and become psychotic.
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- Very quickly.
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- And so i do think that this is unfortunately
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- Something that's happening
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- To people, that their friends are seeing,
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- That their family members are seeing
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- That their parents are seeing and i and and, you know,
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- For whatever reason, the book was starting to sell
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- A little bit more even before the times thing.
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- And now all of a sudden, it actually has,
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- Sort of taken off again in
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- Terms of sales, which is pretty amazing because it came out
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- Sell your children seven years ago.
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- And i promise you,
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- I will tell you the times, my view on the times,
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- Which i think it's very important that they did this.
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- But i want to
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- Tell you something even more important
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- That happened in the last 48 hours,
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- Which is that
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- A conservative commentator, a young woman named brett
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- Cooper, who you may know, here, i'll, i'll read it out.
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- My mom and i have been told that my brother's psychosis,
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- Now full blown diagnosed schizophrenia,
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- Is most likely drug induced from his years of smoking weed.
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- This drug isn't harmless.
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- No matter what our culture and screaming people in comment
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- Sections tried to tell us.
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- Yes. so?
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- So it's not so important, right?
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- Because in the end, you know,
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- The times can write what it writes.
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- I can write about statistics and journal articles and stuff,
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- But people react to individual stories.
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- They react to the stories of people.
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- And, you know, especially when when it's personal, right?
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- When it's this is my brother and look what happened to him.
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- And that's been viewed almost 5 million times on x right now.
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- And so, unfortunately, that is what's happening out
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- There is that people are seeing,
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- You know, family members or friends
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- Or friends of friends who've had real problems
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- And they say, well, you know, this person
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- Wasn't using cocaine or methamphetamine or,
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- You know, or mushrooms.
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- They were using
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- They were using thc, they're using these vapes.
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- And suddenly they wound up in the e.r.
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- And or maybe they have
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- A diagnosis of bipolar disorder or schizophrenia and,
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- You know, and their lives are really wrecked by this,
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- And their families are getting messed up by it, too.
- 00:11:36.176 --> 00:11:38.879
- And i need to figure out
- 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:40.046
- I need to learn about this drug.
- 00:11:40.046 --> 00:11:42.182
- So so what the times wrote was that the broader,
- 00:11:42.182 --> 00:11:45.886
- You know, the bigger picture question,
- 00:11:45.886 --> 00:11:47.687
- Which is
- 00:11:47.687 --> 00:11:48.355
- This is happening
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- Against the background of the legalization of cannabis.
- 00:11:49.556 --> 00:11:52.993
- Yeah.
- 00:11:53.226 --> 00:11:54.094
- I charlie knew, right. charlie knew.
- 00:11:54.094 --> 00:11:56.062
- And so, legalization,
- 00:11:56.062 --> 00:12:00.267
- You know, many states
- 00:12:00.267 --> 00:12:01.401
- Have legalized in the last, 10 or 15 years,
- 00:12:01.401 --> 00:12:04.604
- There's been a very aggressive, very, pushy,
- 00:12:04.604 --> 00:12:08.308
- Very effective for, you know, for lack of a better word,
- 00:12:08.308 --> 00:12:11.711
- Propaganda campaign selling cannabis and thc as medicine.
- 00:12:11.711 --> 00:12:16.049
- It's not medicine.
- 00:12:16.049 --> 00:12:17.083
- If we're going to legalize it
- 00:12:17.083 --> 00:12:18.318
- On any basis, it's got to be as a recreational intoxicant.
- 00:12:18.318 --> 00:12:21.254
- That's got downsides
- 00:12:21.254 --> 00:12:22.689
- And that needs to be regulated carefully.
- 00:12:22.689 --> 00:12:24.257
- But that's not how the industry got people to legalize.
- 00:12:24.257 --> 00:12:27.294
- They got people to legalize
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- By telling them,
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- Hey, this is medicine,
- 00:12:29.262 --> 00:12:30.497
- And if you have seizures, it's good for you.
- 00:12:30.497 --> 00:12:32.332
- And if you're, you know,
- 00:12:32.332 --> 00:12:33.366
- If you have cancer, it's good for you and it's
- 00:12:33.366 --> 00:12:35.101
- Going to keep people away from opioids.
- 00:12:35.101 --> 00:12:37.237
- All this stuff, most of which, has essentially no
- 00:12:37.237 --> 00:12:40.674
- Basis in science.
- 00:12:40.674 --> 00:12:41.842
- There's a couple of things where there's some evidence
- 00:12:41.842 --> 00:12:44.110
- That cannabis and i was going to say remember
- 00:12:44.110 --> 00:12:47.047
- So i remember being online kind of in that 2002, 2008,
- 00:12:47.047 --> 00:12:50.784
- You know, that early internet window
- 00:12:50.784 --> 00:12:52.853
- And it felt like weed was coming up all the time online.
- 00:12:52.853 --> 00:12:55.889
- There was this huge consensus among young people,
- 00:12:55.889 --> 00:12:58.525
- Except for me, where they were saying,
- 00:12:58.525 --> 00:13:00.160
- Oh, marijuana is basically harmless.
- 00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:02.462
- It was like a whole spiel.
- 00:13:02.462 --> 00:13:03.697
- It was only ever banned
- 00:13:03.697 --> 00:13:04.965
- Because racist
- 00:13:04.965 --> 00:13:06.199
- Lawmakers in the 20s had like a moral panic about mexicans
- 00:13:06.199 --> 00:13:09.636
- Bringing this drug over the border.
- 00:13:09.636 --> 00:13:11.705
- And yeah, as you said, that was medicine.
- 00:13:11.705 --> 00:13:14.274
- It would cure cancer. basically.
- 00:13:14.274 --> 00:13:15.742
- It was like a super drug, if anything.
- 00:13:15.742 --> 00:13:18.278
- And yeah, and the new york times,
- 00:13:18.278 --> 00:13:20.680
- It says in this article here in our editorials, we described
- 00:13:20.680 --> 00:13:23.884
- Marijuana addiction as relatively minor problems.
- 00:13:23.884 --> 00:13:27.387
- Many went further and claimed marijuana was a harmless drug
- 00:13:27.387 --> 00:13:30.624
- That might even bring net health benefits.
- 00:13:30.624 --> 00:13:32.792
- And we said that legalization might not lead to greater use.
- 00:13:32.792 --> 00:13:36.263
- And the number they have here is insane.
- 00:13:36.263 --> 00:13:38.198
- It went from about 1 million daily users in 1992
- 00:13:38.198 --> 00:13:41.902
- To more than 18 million daily users today.
- 00:13:41.902 --> 00:13:46.539
- And so?
- 00:13:46.773 --> 00:13:47.908
- So the cannabis actually more addictive than alcohol?
- 00:13:47.908 --> 00:13:50.644
- Considerably more.
- 00:13:50.644 --> 00:13:51.778
- If when it comes to cannabis, there are more people
- 00:13:51.778 --> 00:13:55.015
- Using every day than use alcohol every day.
- 00:13:55.015 --> 00:13:58.051
- Even though the total number
- 00:13:58.051 --> 00:13:59.252
- Of cannabis users are much smaller
- 00:13:59.252 --> 00:14:01.021
- Than the total number of alcohol users.
- 00:14:01.021 --> 00:14:03.023
- And those people, those cannabis users,
- 00:14:03.023 --> 00:14:06.059
- When they're using every day, they are waking and baking.
- 00:14:06.059 --> 00:14:08.428
- For the most part, they are not doing this.
- 00:14:08.428 --> 00:14:10.063
- I'm going to have like one hit.
- 00:14:10.063 --> 00:14:11.398
- And i mean, there are some people who do,
- 00:14:11.398 --> 00:14:12.766
- But i, i have one hit at night and i'm going to go to sleep.
- 00:14:12.766 --> 00:14:15.368
- No, this is this is this is a major part of my life.
- 00:14:15.368 --> 00:14:19.105
- I wake up to this,
- 00:14:19.105 --> 00:14:20.607
- I schedule my life around my, you know, my vape breaks.
- 00:14:20.607 --> 00:14:24.444
- I may, you know,
- 00:14:24.444 --> 00:14:25.545
- Maybe i don't have a girlfriend anymore
- 00:14:25.545 --> 00:14:27.147
- Because i decided i liked cannabis
- 00:14:27.147 --> 00:14:28.915
- More than having a girlfriend.
- 00:14:28.915 --> 00:14:30.684
- You know, maybe i just hang out
- 00:14:30.684 --> 00:14:31.952
- Playing video games and getting hot all the time.
- 00:14:31.952 --> 00:14:34.321
- That is.
- 00:14:34.321 --> 00:14:35.488
- Now, you know, your viewers, your viewers know that's a
- 00:14:35.488 --> 00:14:38.258
- Typical pattern.
- 00:14:38.258 --> 00:14:39.960
- Yeah.
- 00:14:40.193 --> 00:14:40.560
- Well, and
- 00:14:40.560 --> 00:14:41.728
- Alex, you're kind of zeroing in on the young male cohort
- 00:14:41.728 --> 00:14:44.431
- When you talk about video
- 00:14:44.431 --> 00:14:45.398
- Games, vaping and this this actually tends
- 00:14:45.398 --> 00:14:49.602
- From what i'm gathering online, this young male super high
- 00:14:49.602 --> 00:14:54.207
- Dose of thc developing brains leading to schizophrenia.
- 00:14:54.207 --> 00:14:58.912
- This actually, to me is one of the more, terrifying
- 00:14:58.912 --> 00:15:02.816
- Aspects of increased pot usage and us normalizing it.
- 00:15:02.816 --> 00:15:07.320
- And i sort of deifying
- 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.022
- The drug is like the only drug in the universe
- 00:15:09.022 --> 00:15:11.024
- That doesn't have any side effects.
- 00:15:11.024 --> 00:15:12.692
- It young men seem to be particularly vulnerable
- 00:15:12.692 --> 00:15:16.496
- To schizophrenia. let's go ahead and play this cut.
- 00:15:16.496 --> 00:15:18.631
- We actually have a cut here
- 00:15:18.631 --> 00:15:19.599
- From brett cooper talking about it for 95.
- 00:15:19.599 --> 00:15:22.268
- My mom and i have been told that my brother's
- 00:15:22.268 --> 00:15:23.970
- Psychosis, now full blown diagnosed schizophrenia,
- 00:15:23.970 --> 00:15:26.740
- Is most likely drug induced from his years of smoking weed.
- 00:15:26.740 --> 00:15:30.076
- This drug isn't harmless no matter what
- 00:15:30.076 --> 00:15:31.611
- Our culture and screaming
- 00:15:31.611 --> 00:15:32.779
- People in the comment sections tried to tell us the story
- 00:15:32.779 --> 00:15:35.548
- Is that my brother reed,
- 00:15:35.548 --> 00:15:36.683
- Who is 12 years older than me, he became a pothead,
- 00:15:36.683 --> 00:15:39.319
- I would say late in high school.
- 00:15:39.319 --> 00:15:40.553
- Prior to this, he never showed any signs of mental illness.
- 00:15:40.553 --> 00:15:43.757
- He never showed any signs of psychosis.
- 00:15:43.757 --> 00:15:45.492
- But for the last decade,
- 00:15:45.492 --> 00:15:46.659
- My brother reed has been in
- 00:15:46.659 --> 00:15:47.961
- And out of psychiatric facilities.
- 00:15:47.961 --> 00:15:49.763
- He has been on and off the streets in states
- 00:15:49.763 --> 00:15:51.765
- Like california and idaho and tennessee.
- 00:15:51.765 --> 00:15:53.767
- He's been all over the country.
- 00:15:53.767 --> 00:15:55.235
- This is what my family has been dealing with for a decade.
- 00:15:55.235 --> 00:15:57.804
- My brother reed is now a diagnosed schizophrenic
- 00:15:57.804 --> 00:16:00.340
- And he is mute as it stands right now.
- 00:16:00.340 --> 00:16:02.108
- Currently, he is unable
- 00:16:02.108 --> 00:16:03.610
- To participate in society unless he is medicated.
- 00:16:03.610 --> 00:16:07.380
- So we only have 30s here, alex.
- 00:16:07.380 --> 00:16:09.783
- But that the young men 30s
- 00:16:09.783 --> 00:16:14.387
- Don't cry.
- 00:16:14.687 --> 00:16:15.355
- So listen, men
- 00:16:15.355 --> 00:16:16.389
- Have a higher rate of schizophrenia than women.
- 00:16:16.389 --> 00:16:19.025
- They're more prone to severe mental illness than women.
- 00:16:19.025 --> 00:16:21.928
- And as we all know, as charlie talked about all the time,
- 00:16:21.928 --> 00:16:24.764
- Young men are having a hard time in society today.
- 00:16:24.764 --> 00:16:27.467
- And it's it's understandable
- 00:16:27.467 --> 00:16:29.169
- That some of them turn to this drug,
- 00:16:29.169 --> 00:16:30.804
- But it doesn't make their problems better.
- 00:16:30.804 --> 00:16:32.772
- It makes them worse.
- 00:16:32.772 --> 00:16:33.873
- And i just hope that they know they're being sold
- 00:16:33.873 --> 00:16:36.843
- A bill of goods here by the drug legalized
- 00:16:36.843 --> 00:16:39.079
- By the cannabis industry.
- 00:16:39.079 --> 00:16:40.680
- They really should try not to use this.
- 00:16:40.680 --> 00:16:42.715
- It's not a good drug for them.
- 00:16:42.715 --> 00:16:45.752
- We'll be right back.
- 00:16:45.752 --> 00:16:46.453
- More with alex berenson.
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- More with alex berenson.
- 00:16:50.991 --> 00:16:55.762
- Alex, blake, actually, i'm gonna throw it to blake.
- 00:16:56.763 --> 00:16:59.532
- Blake, this is,
- 00:16:59.532 --> 00:17:00.400
- You know, this topic,
- 00:17:00.400 --> 00:17:01.668
- Backwards and forwards better than i do. so,
- 00:17:01.668 --> 00:17:04.804
- The floor is yours.
- 00:17:05.271 --> 00:17:06.940
- I mean, it's just,
- 00:17:06.940 --> 00:17:10.310
- I guess, alex, some perspective i'd like on.
- 00:17:10.310 --> 00:17:13.079
- This is just how the new york times
- 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:16.149
- Kind of acts like they were,
- 00:17:16.149 --> 00:17:19.352
- You know, they made an error of judgment.
- 00:17:19.352 --> 00:17:21.454
- But it strikes me.
- 00:17:21.454 --> 00:17:22.922
- I just feel like so much of
- 00:17:22.922 --> 00:17:24.190
- These outcomes were obvious that
- 00:17:24.190 --> 00:17:26.793
- There has to be this element where a lot of people realize
- 00:17:26.793 --> 00:17:29.062
- They could make a lot of money off of this, that they could,
- 00:17:29.062 --> 00:17:33.900
- Like they were creating something
- 00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:35.635
- They knew would be super addictive
- 00:17:35.635 --> 00:17:36.836
- And there would be a huge market for this.
- 00:17:36.836 --> 00:17:38.404
- And now a ton of people are getting rich off of these
- 00:17:38.404 --> 00:17:41.774
- 18 million people a day who are using marijuana
- 00:17:41.774 --> 00:17:44.511
- Every single day.
- 00:17:44.511 --> 00:17:45.845
- Like, it's kind of like tobacco.
- 00:17:45.845 --> 00:17:47.647
- Tobacco companies knew exactly how addictive
- 00:17:47.647 --> 00:17:49.916
- Their product was and they knew how deadly it was.
- 00:17:49.916 --> 00:17:51.918
- And i,
- 00:17:51.918 --> 00:17:53.019
- I can't imagine that anyone was under any illusions
- 00:17:53.019 --> 00:17:55.388
- Who was in the know with marijuana.
- 00:17:55.388 --> 00:17:57.557
- They know exactly what they've been doing.
- 00:17:58.458 --> 00:17:59.759
- And those a lot of those people want to get rich.
- 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:01.861
- If you look at the times, you know, unfortunately
- 00:18:01.861 --> 00:18:05.265
- It's the same kind of
- 00:18:05.265 --> 00:18:06.866
- Sort of useful idiocy that these people played
- 00:18:06.866 --> 00:18:10.270
- When they called for schools to be locked down
- 00:18:10.270 --> 00:18:12.372
- During covid, when they went crazy
- 00:18:12.372 --> 00:18:14.440
- With the russian collusion hoax.
- 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:15.942
- You know, there is a groupthink
- 00:18:15.942 --> 00:18:17.877
- On the left in elite journalism that blinds people to facts.
- 00:18:17.877 --> 00:18:21.447
- That should be obvious. okay.
- 00:18:21.447 --> 00:18:23.216
- And you the data on this one, i'm going to tell you
- 00:18:23.216 --> 00:18:26.553
- It was 2019 and i was able to draw on
- 00:18:26.553 --> 00:18:29.322
- 20 years of data showing the sort of the harmful
- 00:18:29.322 --> 00:18:33.626
- Links between cannabis and severe mental illness.
- 00:18:33.626 --> 00:18:35.962
- And that's the accounting,
- 00:18:35.962 --> 00:18:37.363
- The links between cannabis and let's say, you know,
- 00:18:37.363 --> 00:18:39.499
- Sort of bad life outcomes because you just don't achieve
- 00:18:39.499 --> 00:18:42.669
- Very much
- 00:18:42.669 --> 00:18:43.603
- Because you're you're smoking every day
- 00:18:43.603 --> 00:18:45.104
- And you're not working very hard
- 00:18:45.104 --> 00:18:46.673
- And your life is just sort of passing by.
- 00:18:46.673 --> 00:18:48.942
- I'm talking about the really severe
- 00:18:48.942 --> 00:18:50.743
- Mental illness outcomes
- 00:18:50.743 --> 00:18:52.045
- And frankly,
- 00:18:52.045 --> 00:18:53.146
- The downstream violence from that, which is an issue
- 00:18:53.146 --> 00:18:54.581
- We don't even have to begin to talk about.
- 00:18:54.581 --> 00:18:56.249
- We have so much else to talk about.
- 00:18:56.249 --> 00:18:57.750
- But people at the times, people at the washington post,
- 00:18:57.750 --> 00:19:01.454
- People at the atlantic, all these places
- 00:19:01.454 --> 00:19:03.623
- That think they're so smart, they didn't look at the data
- 00:19:03.623 --> 00:19:07.093
- And they just told themselves over and over again, well,
- 00:19:07.093 --> 00:19:09.162
- This is just being used to put black men in prison.
- 00:19:09.162 --> 00:19:11.564
- I mean, it was it was nonsense, okay?
- 00:19:11.564 --> 00:19:13.633
- It was nonsense in 2019.
- 00:19:13.633 --> 00:19:15.635
- It was nonsense.
- 00:19:15.635 --> 00:19:16.836
- Even in 2009, it hadn't been true for a really long time.
- 00:19:16.836 --> 00:19:20.273
- Let me tell you one quick thing that i discovered
- 00:19:20.273 --> 00:19:23.042
- When i was writing tell your children,
- 00:19:23.042 --> 00:19:24.677
- Which was people as as i think andrew said,
- 00:19:24.677 --> 00:19:27.714
- You know, they always said, well,
- 00:19:27.714 --> 00:19:30.116
- We'd got banned in 19, in the 1920s and 30s
- 00:19:30.116 --> 00:19:33.286
- Because there was this perception
- 00:19:33.286 --> 00:19:34.420
- That it was a mexican drug, that it was a drug
- 00:19:34.420 --> 00:19:36.823
- That was being brought up from mexico.
- 00:19:36.823 --> 00:19:38.891
- There is some truth in that.
- 00:19:38.891 --> 00:19:40.326
- What people don't tell you, what they didn't
- 00:19:40.326 --> 00:19:42.829
- Ever know, all these supposedly smart people, is that, oh,
- 00:19:42.829 --> 00:19:46.366
- Absolutely banned cannabis first because mexicans
- 00:19:46.366 --> 00:19:50.270
- Saw what it was doing to their culture and country
- 00:19:50.270 --> 00:19:53.072
- And they didn't like it.
- 00:19:53.072 --> 00:19:54.574
- So whenever this drug has become widely used,
- 00:19:54.574 --> 00:19:57.210
- Whether it's in india, whether it's in mexico,
- 00:19:57.210 --> 00:19:59.212
- Whether it's in african or and north african countries,
- 00:19:59.212 --> 00:20:02.448
- Eventually there's a backlash to what it does to people.
- 00:20:02.448 --> 00:20:05.752
- And the fact
- 00:20:05.752 --> 00:20:06.686
- That we thought we could rewrite the rules
- 00:20:06.686 --> 00:20:08.421
- On this, that a bunch of nice liberals
- 00:20:08.421 --> 00:20:10.323
- Who basically had smoked pot a few times in college
- 00:20:10.323 --> 00:20:12.825
- Thought they could totally rewrite history and human
- 00:20:12.825 --> 00:20:16.362
- Biology and legalize this and there'd be no consequences.
- 00:20:16.362 --> 00:20:19.866
- Just tells you once again what a bubble the left is
- 00:20:19.866 --> 00:20:23.202
- Living in.
- 00:20:23.202 --> 00:20:24.704
- And now let's do it.
- 00:20:25.171 --> 00:20:26.172
- Yeah, i love, you know, some of these people.
- 00:20:26.172 --> 00:20:27.607
- What's happened is they've seen their kids
- 00:20:27.607 --> 00:20:29.642
- Get completely screwed up on high potency cannabis
- 00:20:29.642 --> 00:20:33.279
- And thc or their friends, and now they realize the truth.
- 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:37.083
- I think here, let's do like a little rapid fire
- 00:20:38.084 --> 00:20:40.486
- Question and answer here.
- 00:20:40.486 --> 00:20:41.988
- Is weed a gateway drug?
- 00:20:41.988 --> 00:20:44.991
- Yes, yes or no? yes, yes.
- 00:20:44.991 --> 00:20:46.926
- Evidence is clear. does it? yes.
- 00:20:46.926 --> 00:20:48.695
- What what what is the rate of schizophrenia?
- 00:20:48.695 --> 00:20:50.863
- Do we know especially in young men that are high drug
- 00:20:50.863 --> 00:20:53.933
- Users, you know, so the i mean the the base rate is about 1%.
- 00:20:53.933 --> 00:20:57.770
- So one reason this has been able to happen
- 00:20:57.770 --> 00:21:00.606
- Is that let's say
- 00:21:00.606 --> 00:21:02.141
- Heavy cannabis use triples the base rate, okay.
- 00:21:02.141 --> 00:21:05.478
- Even not every young man is using.
- 00:21:05.478 --> 00:21:07.880
- So even if, let's say, 30% of young men
- 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:10.183
- Are using in a dangerous way,
- 00:21:10.183 --> 00:21:11.684
- That would not result in such a huge number
- 00:21:11.684 --> 00:21:14.687
- That it would be immediately obvious.
- 00:21:14.687 --> 00:21:16.789
- Even though this is a really severe illness,
- 00:21:16.789 --> 00:21:18.725
- It becomes obvious over time.
- 00:21:18.725 --> 00:21:20.293
- But what i what i say and i say this with confidence
- 00:21:20.293 --> 00:21:22.929
- Now, is that there are
- 00:21:22.929 --> 00:21:23.996
- Probably hundreds of thousands of young people,
- 00:21:23.996 --> 00:21:26.833
- Mostly men, but some women in the united states and canada
- 00:21:26.833 --> 00:21:30.103
- Who become severely mentally ill
- 00:21:30.103 --> 00:21:32.171
- As a result of cannabis use,
- 00:21:32.171 --> 00:21:33.573
- Who wouldn't have been hundreds of thousands of lives, ruined
- 00:21:33.573 --> 00:21:36.642
- Hundreds of thousands of families.
- 00:21:36.642 --> 00:21:37.944
- Because what you heard with brett
- 00:21:37.944 --> 00:21:39.212
- Is this destroys families, right?
- 00:21:39.212 --> 00:21:41.681
- It doesn't just
- 00:21:41.681 --> 00:21:42.882
- Destroy one person when you're when you're the family member,
- 00:21:42.882 --> 00:21:45.918
- A brother or sister.
- 00:21:45.918 --> 00:21:47.320
- I mean, god forbid you're the child, but brother, sister,
- 00:21:47.320 --> 00:21:50.156
- Parent of somebody with really severe mental illness.
- 00:21:50.156 --> 00:21:52.592
- Your life is misery.
- 00:21:52.592 --> 00:21:54.961
- I have a couple, alex.
- 00:21:54.961 --> 00:21:56.429
- So even if you don't get psychosis, if you're using weed
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- Nearly daily from age 16, how bad of an impact
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- Is that going to have on your cognitive baseline?
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- How many iq points are you going to lose?
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- So really good question.
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- I don't think there's a simple number.
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- It's bad for memory.
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- It's bad for motivation.
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- It's bad for intelligence.
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- But i wouldn't be comfortable saying, you know, ten points.
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- 20 points.
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- I mean, clearly most people who use are many, many people
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- Who use heavily find their lives disrupted by this.
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- In the same way, if you're an alcoholic,
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- Your life is going to be disrupted.
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- I've got another question
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- Where we'd have been legalized.
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- Have the outcomes been, has there been
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- You touched on violence?
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- Have we seen rises in violence, crime, criminality, 30s
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- And so
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- So why didn't they tell your children
- 00:22:44.343 --> 00:22:45.578
- There was evidence that in the states
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- That had legalized early, there was a rise in, in sort of
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- In violence, basically, essentially in severe violence.
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- Now nationally, we've been on a downtrend
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- In terms of violence.
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- Obviously, cannabis psychosis is only one component
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- Of violence, right?
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- There are
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- Many, many different components of what make people violent,
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- Whether you know how
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- We treat people, who or, you know,
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- Who do, we incarcerate people for a long time,
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- Obviously that gets them off the streets.
- 00:23:11.704 --> 00:23:13.739
- Are the cops getting better at solving gun crimes
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- Because they, you know, they have more surveillance?
- 00:23:16.609 --> 00:23:18.511
- There's many things.
- 00:23:18.511 --> 00:23:19.645
- But there was evidence in 2019 of that.
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- Alex berenson, check them out.
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- Thank you, my friend. we'll talk to you soon.
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