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Charlie Kirk Today | Andrea Burkhart: May 12, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | May 12, 2026

We're going to get the show,
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Started off the right way with andrea burkhart.
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Back by popular demand, we had her on,
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She is a legal commentator, experienced trial and appellate
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Litigator. she.
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You can also find her at substack at andrea
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Burkhart.substack.com spelled b
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U r k hrt.
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That's how you find her.
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But we had a hearing, obviously, with the tyler
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Robinson trial on friday, and there is much to discuss.
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So we're welcome in right now.
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Andrea, welcome back to the show.
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Hey, thank you so much for having me back.
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Yeah.
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You know, i have to i have to give you a little
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I have to chide you just a little bit,
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Because last time we had you on,
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You let us know
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That your prediction was that
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The trial was not going to happen until, early 2028.
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I saw you clip that and were making fun of our reaction.
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I think the whole world was groaning along with us.
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I would like to say, because it's,
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Sitting in this seat, i will tell you,
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That is not what you want to hear.
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I know, you know, it's just the whole the wheels of justice
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Move, in my opinion, almost a little bit too slow.
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But that's where we're at.
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And hopefully you are wrong.
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And we get the under on that, not the over.
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All right, so on friday, we had a, a hearing
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That was basically to decide
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The issue of cameras in the courtroom as well as
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The defense's request for an extension before the,
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I guess, preliminary hearing, evidentiary hearing?
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I've heard it referred to both ways.
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Tell us, what did we learn?
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Obviously, there was a ruling on the cameras that they were
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The judge.
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Graff was
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Going to deny their request, but it's more complicated
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Than that.
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Yeah, it's a little bit more nuanced than just
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The cameras are in or the cameras are out.
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What had happened with this motion was that the defense
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Was seeking a categorical ban on cameras
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In the courtroom, essentially, for the rest of the case.
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And,
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That's in a bit of a conflict with with utah law,
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Which has some of the most camera
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Favorable rules anywhere in the country.
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And so they have a number of procedures and requirements,
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That you have to go through
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To get a camera in the courtroom.
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But once assuming you follow those procedures,
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They are extremely permissive,
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And there's a presumption that they will allow it to happen.
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So what has happened is that judge graf
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Denied the defense motion for a categorical ban.
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He said that is not consistent with what utah law provides,
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However, because utah law, in its own procedure
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Already allows for there to be objections or,
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Concerns about certain factors the judges to consider,
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Such as the defendant's effect
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On the defendant's right to a fair trial,
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That the defense can still continue to raise those issues.
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They're just going to have to do it
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On a hearing by hearing basis, and not as a general,
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Overarching rule that that cameras would not be allowed.
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So there was a it's like a
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14 or 14 day advance. right?
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So if i, let's say,
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Cbs news or any outlet, let me get centered up here.
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I get i have to present my request 14 days in advance.
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And then there is an
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Opportunity for the defense to basically object.
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And i saw a clip of yours
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Basically saying the defense is now almost obligated
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To object to every single request for a media
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Credential to this hearing is, am i reading that right?
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They may be,
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If this is an issue that they are intending
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To preserve for future review down the road,
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Which is kind of classic for defense lawyers
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To be doing, to be thinking, you know, through the appeal,
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Through the post-conviction process and so forth.
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They have framed
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This issue as one of, federal constitutional magnitude.
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And so there are a lot of,
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Procedural hurdles that go along with,
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Potentially raising something like that
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In a federal court a long time down the road.
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And one of them is that you have to,
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You have to exhaust,
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Your remedies
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In the trial court, and you have
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To fully preserve the issue.
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So there is, i think, a potential argument that,
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A prosecutor on the other side would be able to make,
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That if they did not object
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To cameras at any specific hearing,
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The defense has essentially waived any kind of objection
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To cameras being in the courtroom for that,
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At least for that particular proceeding.
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So i do think it puts a little bit of an onus on them,
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If their objective is to have an opportunity
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For a future appellate court to to look at whether cameras
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In general is a big picture specific to this case,
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Whatever, are a problem with, with a fair trial?
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They are kind of stuck now
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With having to do a little bit of extra work,
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To make sure that they have not waived that.
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Right? yeah.
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They've just made more work for themselves, essentially.
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And one of the things i've learned
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From your commentary, andrea, is just how much of
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These motions, these hearings, and you call papering
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The record, are really done with the express intent
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Of future appeals, essentially, because then
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It will be appealed
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If you make the presumption that this would end in a,
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Guilty verdict,
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Because of the evidence that you already are aware
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Exist against tyler robinson, then you're going to say, well,
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We're going to then appeal it at the state level,
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And then eventually the federal courts
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Are going to get involved on a follow up appeal.
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And it seems like so much of the of these chess moves
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That we're seeing play out
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Where you're like, what are they doing?
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What are they?
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It's all playing down the line.
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The long game, assuming appeals.
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Is that fair?
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Absolutely.
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I mean, that's
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Always going to be part of the role of of defense counsel,
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Particularly in a case like this, a death penalty case.
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It's very consistent with the strategies
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That these particular
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Defense lawyers kind of traditionally employ,
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In the cases that they work on, and it's just it's
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One of the aspects of being effective,
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As a defense attorney is having to think five years
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Down the road, ten years down the road, which i know
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Now, now we're throwing out numbers.
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You guys really don't want to hear.
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But that, you know, just is the unfortunate reality
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Of of death penalty litigation.
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There's many, many steps to it and, many pitfalls
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Along the way.
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And so that is what they're
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Being attuned to, as they go through this trial process.
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One real quick question.
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We have about a minute left in this segment, andrew.
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It so what about like just the caught live stream
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That's not connected to a cbs or a local affiliate
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Or anything like that.
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Is that that's going to be permitted or do we not know.
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Well,
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So when the court
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Has these webex hearings, like they had on friday,
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Where they're just digitally present in court,
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They're not all there in the courtroom.
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Typically we have been able to, view those and re
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Stream them.
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And so the cameras in the courtroom
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Is generally referring to a media agency
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From the outside bringing a camera in.
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But if they are having live courtroom hearings,
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Not clear to me if webex is, is available,
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Or some kind of alternative camera feed
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Of the court's own system that they might be able to,
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Rely on. interesting.
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So a little bit tbd on the mechanics of this,
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But we, we know generally directionally
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We're going to probably have video,
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Of the actual trial.
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That's kind of what i'm gathering. okay.
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We'll wait on the mechanics of it.
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Hang right there, andrew. i got more questions for you
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Hang right there, andrew. i got more questions for you
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Defendants motion
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And reschedules the preliminary hearing for july 6th,
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July 7th, the afternoon of july 8th,
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July 9th and july 10th, 2026,
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In order to protect the defendant's
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Constitutional rights
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While minimizing unnecessary delay and preserving the fair
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And impartial administration of justice.
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This is the order of the court.
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Andrea, what do you make of this type of delay?
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They were obviously asking for more time.
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He aired on the side of,
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You know, less than half of what they were asking for.
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What do you read into this?
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This is, in many ways, i think the judge's equivalent
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Of what
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We were just talking about with the attorneys looking down
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The road for, for future appeals and, and so forth.
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Generally speaking, the defense can only appeal
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Rulings that go against them.
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And so in cases where,
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You want to maybe just minimize
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Unnecessary, grounds to, to potentially argue that
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That there was some time
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Of some type of problem in the process,
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You can just on the side of, of granting the defense
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What they want.
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And so in this particular case, i think this is judge
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Graff playing it safe, he cited the primarily
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The very
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Large volume of discovery that has been produced in the case.
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I have to tell you, just from my perspective,
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The numbers
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That we have been talking
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About in terms of the terabytes of information
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That have been handed over, are pretty mind boggling.
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And they kind of previewed this at the last hearing when,
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The defense had been arguing
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That they wanted more opportunity to investigate
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Some of the state's underlying, dna
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Evidence and firearms evidence and so forth.
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But the judge kind of cut them off and, and,
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Asked them very specifically about just the extent
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To which they'd been able to review the discovery so far.
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And all of the attorneys, in turn, indicated, no,
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Just given the volume, they haven't
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Had time to review everything.
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So i think it's largely, that that is driving,
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This particular decision.
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That's why it was not the extended
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Continuance that the defense was asking for.
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It's not for purposes of greater investigation
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Or expanding the purpose of the preliminary hearing.
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It's just to make sure
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They've had an opportunity
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To be familiar with what is going to be presented,
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And where it fits into the discovery picture.
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So i think if i remember right the first time we had you on
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Andrea, i think you predicted they wouldn't delay it.
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Does even this short continuance?
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Does it adjust
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Your expected timeline for the trial as a whole,
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Or do you think we'll probably end up on the same timeline
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As before, which was already, unfortunately, quite long?
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Yeah.
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You know, that's a very good question.
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I mean, in general, i would say it gives us a
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Little bit of insight into, judge craft's
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Just perspective on on the case and the timelines.
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So it may show a little bit more,
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Lenience towards allowing the defense
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At the time that they need to develop,
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Their strategies in their case, obviously,
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When you're getting ready for trial,
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It's it's a different situation,
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In terms of what you actually have to do
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To prepare, than getting ready for this preliminary hearing.
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So it may be an indication that he will, allow them,
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You know, a greater opportunity to, to pursue leads.
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And,
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Like i mentioned last time,
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We already know there's going to be challenges
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To scientific evidence and so forth.
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And so it it is possible that he may be more amenable to,
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Extending the the trial date further down the road.
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Yeah. interesting.
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So i, you know, my basic gist of what happened was that,
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Hey, i'm, i'm grateful for the ruling on the cameras.
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That is something that erica herself has,
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Through through her legal team
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Expressed that she wants to happen.
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I agree with that.
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Charlie's assassination was extraordinarily public,
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And it only follows that we would have a public
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Trial where, you know, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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I want to see everything.
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I think it's good for this entire conspiracy
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Cottage industry that's emerged around this case
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For them to have to confront
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The actual evidence, the physical evidence,
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And i want everybody to see that.
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And they get to see the defense challenge it to.
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That's the system of laws we have.
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And we want that.
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We don't want, this to be
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Sort of jammed through the court system.
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We want the real process to play out.
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And i think it'll be good for the country
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To have an education
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On the way that a capital case like this could work.
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And by the way, if if it hadn't been reversed,
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That there was no cameras and don't, with no delay,
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I would have been upset about that.
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And so, you know, okay, a little bit of an extension, 5
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Or 6 weeks, whatever it is, as opposed to six months.
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And we're getting that sort of definitive ruling that,
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The motion on cameras in the courtroom is being denied.
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I think
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I take this on the whole, i guess, is what i'm saying.
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You know, if i had to have it
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The other way, i wouldn't want it.
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So i'll, i'll, i'll be sort of begrudgingly satisfied with
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With the judge's decisions here.
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It's kind of my, my basic take.
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It's the end result that matters.
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Yeah.
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It is ultimately, what it is.
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I mean, i judge graff has been extremely fair
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So far throughout this process.
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In many ways, he's been, kind of a blessing
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Of a judge for this particular case.
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He's just demonstrated a lot of patience,
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A lot of understanding.
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And, they're very much skills
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That a judge is going to need over a long run case like this.
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Yeah, i've i've seen that actually
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Sort of across the board, as if people have been
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Complimentary of this judge.
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And it does seem like,
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You know, from my perspective as somebody that, do
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Does believe that tyler robinson is guilty in this case
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And that i want to see justice served.
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I may not like some of the hoops
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That have to be jumped through
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To sort of protect this on appeal,
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But it does seem that he's being prudent.
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He's being fair,
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And he's not giving a whole lot of opportunity.
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I mean, the appeals are going to happen.
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It's a capital case, right?
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This is how it's been explained to me.
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It's just going to happen.
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There's no way around it.
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Essentially, with our system and so on the whole, you you
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Do you do take it as a blessing that he seems to be cognizant
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Of the fact
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That this is going to be
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Drawn out over years, maybe a decade.
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And he's playing that long game already right now
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To make sure everything's on the up and up
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And doesn't give them unnecessary
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Opportunity for for getting this overturned on appeal.
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What are you looking for next?
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So is there additional hearings that we need
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To keep our eye out on?
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Between now and, july 6th?
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Yeah.
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So the next hearing that is coming up,
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Since they had already set aside the time, the week,
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The week of may 18th, to do the preliminary hearing,
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They went ahead and rescheduled some pending motions
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To be heard.
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They're actually going
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To be heard on the 19th, in the morning.
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And the primary one that i think
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Is going to be of interest
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Is that the defense is asking
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To hold one
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Of the prosecuting attorneys
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In contempt of the courts of gag order.
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And this is based on a series
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Of public statements that the prosecutor made,
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In response to headlines
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That were, primarily in the daily mail, but,
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You know, got got
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Proliferated through,
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Other other sources and so forth that, indicated
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Kind of misleadingly, that, the fbi was unable to match
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The bullet recovered from, from charlie's autopsy,
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The bullet fragment to the rifle, that that,
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Was associated with with tyler robinson.
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And so this had been reported,
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As, you know, being exonerating and,
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And no match and so forth.
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But that's not the that's not what that result means.
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And so the prosecutor had given some statements
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Kind of clarifying, here's what this result means.
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And the defense is arguing that, that that's a problem.
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They should not have been allowed to do that.
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So we're going to see that on may 19th.
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Yes. andrea burkhart check out her substack
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And her live streams.
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Excellent work andrew i'm sure we will see you soon.
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Thank you again. we'll be right back.
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Thank you again. we'll be right back.
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Cain from citizen free press, who joins us now.
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Cain, welcome back to the show.
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Happy to be here.
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Well, we appreciate it.
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I think we should start just calling this segment vibes
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Or vibe.
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Check with cain vibe.
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Check with cain.
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Can you have your finger on the pulse
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Of the conservative movement? the base?
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Probably better than anybody else around.
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You get this constant feedback loop with your audience.
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Millions and millions of people every day checking citizen
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Free press for their news and updates.
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So the question, cain,
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What are the vibes?
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Well, it's they're very positive.
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After the end of last week, obviously,
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We had some really nice, you know, a virginia supreme
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Court decision and the us supreme court decision.
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So it was a really good weekend.
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Yeah.
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People are you know,
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I think a lot of as we look for the midterms, obviously,
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You know, we don't really even know
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The issues that are going to be in play
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In, you know, in late october, early november.
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But a lot of it is excitement and getting, you know,
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And getting millions of voters
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I think these midterms are going
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To be the highest turnout, at least of of the modern era.
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I'm not sure what you know, turnout
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Used to be like before the internet, but
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So that's sort of the vibe.
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You know, we're already kind of getting into that mode.
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You've got texas, you know, may 26th is that
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Texas runoff election texas has sort of a weird thing.
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They have an open primary.
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So if you haven't if someone didn't vote
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In the earlier part of the or in the first primary,
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Not the runoff,
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They're actually able to come in and vote for either party.
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So there's a danger that democrats
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Could sort of sneak in in in texas and try to vote,
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You know, try to vote and, and affect that race and vote
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For cornyn and prevent us from getting, paxton.
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Although i'll say last thing, there's a chance, you know,
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If democrats actually believe i don't believe it myself.
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I think that if if cornyn is the nominee,
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I think it depresses turnout on the republican side.
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So i don't i agree that, yeah, that
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That electing paxton is dangerous, i think.
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If so.
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So anyway.
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But democrats at least they're spewing that.
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So i'm not sure how they would get involved.
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You know, what they would do
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To, you know, in that open primary
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If they would try to vote for cornyn or paxton.
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But anyway,
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People need to be aware. if you're in texas,
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You can start voting early on the 18th.
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And then we have the virginia sneaky plan.
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I don't know if you guys talked about. no.
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And we should 100%, because that's very fascinating.
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And i guess they have to do it by tomorrow
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If they're going to do anything.
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I don't i don't think they're likely to explain what it is.
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So this happened to surface
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Over the weekend, as you remember, last friday,
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We got the great ruling from the virginia supreme court,
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Struck down
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The referendum with their map because it was illegal.
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They flagrantly broke the constitution to do it.
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And virginia democrat started to flip out.
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And over the weekend reported in the new york times
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As a real idea that was passing around.
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They were contemplating
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Convening the legislature and rush
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Passing a bill to lower the mandatory retirement age
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On the virginia supreme court
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Because they have one from mid 70s to, i believe,
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53, which would be younger than all the current justices.
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The youngest is 50, forced to retire.
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All of them
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Replace the entire supreme
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Court with people who will just instantly
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Bring back the referendum, let them do whatever they want,
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An insane constitutional coup de if they do that.
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And i was thinking what you said about,
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Turnout, getting amped up and it's, you know,
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There's two ways to read this.
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On the one hand,
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We hear people think, oh, democrats are doing well.
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They're polling well.
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They might have a good midterm,
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But they seem to be flipping out.
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They are in constant panic.
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But the other the flip side of that is they seem so agitated.
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That would be a sign they're probably going
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To turn out in big numbers. yeah.
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No you're right. so here's the here's the,
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Headline from the new york times.
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It says a private call reveals democrats desperation over
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Tossing of map, a conversation involving house members
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From virginia and the top house democrat.
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We do have this image.
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Guy's top house democrat reflected
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The fury and desperation that has gripped the party
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After friday's ruling in the state.
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And of course, that's her.
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Hakeem the bad dream. jeffries.
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There.
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And i will just let's let's play
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This clip just because kay and i think this gives a good,
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Indication of the current
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Mental state of the democrat party.
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You know, hakeem jeffries, you got to imagine,
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Given his role is,
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You know, within the leader
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Of the minority party in the house,
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He's getting incoming from everybody.
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You need to look like you're fighting.
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You need to fight back. this is a bloodbath.
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You guys are losing the traditional.
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You can imagine the the pressure from the activist
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Base, is going to be is going to be tremendous.
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Sot 16 republicans are in panic mode.
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Remember, ali, when we took the house
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Back in 2018, we were 24 seats short.
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We crossed over that hurdle.
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And in fact in 2018 we flipped a total of 40 seats.
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So we're going to take back control
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Of the house of representatives.
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Now we're going to need nationwide judicial reform.
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We're going to need nationwide electoral reform.
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We're going to need nationwide campaign
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Finance reform, which is why we have to take the house back,
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Take the senate back, keep pressing forward.
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And then in 2028, take the presidency back as well.
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You hear what he's calling for? came there.
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Electoral reform, nationwide judicial reform.
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They they what they're trying to do in virginia with,
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You know, mass
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Retiring, forcing the mass retirement of the bench.
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There is exactly what they would try and do.
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Dramatic, dramatic, probably,
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I would say
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Unconstitutional steps really certainly beyond the pale
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Of our norms and customs
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And traditions as a country and as a body politic.
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They would do this nationwide.
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Yeah, they would, and i think they would.
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I think they would end the filibuster
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And they would pack the u.s. supreme court.
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I think that's yeah, i think that's pretty obvious.
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Hakeem jeffries yeah.
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I mean, blake explained it pretty well.
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They had their freaking out in virginia.
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They had they had, you know, conference calls and meetings
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All weekend long trying to look at what alternatives
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There might be, the kind of, you know,
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To kind of flip this again, i don't see
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I don't see spanberger agreeing to it.
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I think there are a lot of sort of constitutional issues.
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And i think it would it would just be such blatant
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Naked hypocrisy if they were to do it.
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But, you know, one thing, i watched a lot of cnbc,
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Excuse me, a lot of msnbc and cnn this weekend.
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You know, they're all freaking out
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About the supreme court, louisiana, the calais decision.
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But what they're not talking about
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Is the fact that they were perfectly happy,
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And they're perfectly happy right now
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To have the northeast have zero.
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Denmark, you know, 13 states in
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The northeast have zero republicans.
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And yet they freak out about what's what.
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You know, what may happen in the south.
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So it's blatant hypocrisy.
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I enjoy listening to them cry.
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Getting back to blake's point about about turnout,
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I think it's going to drive their turnout, though.
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So that's why i think trump i know
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We got 13 seconds to the break.
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That's why i think trump's going to really turn this in
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To try to make this a presidential midterms,
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Really do a lot of rally. so we're going to need it.
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Kane, citizen free press.
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It's a must. go to site.
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The stack is always active, and he's updating it every day.
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Citizen kane, thank you so much, my friend.
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We'll talk to you soon.
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Andrea Burkhart: May 12, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today

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