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Charlie Kirk Today | Batya Ungar-Sargon: December 26, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | December 26, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- President
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- Trump got an early christmas present,
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- With some amazing economic news that came out this morning.
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- So here to unpack that with us is former trump
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- Economic advisor.
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- And now he's with unleash prosperity.
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- And that's of course, stephen moore,
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- Longtime guest on this show and good friend of charlie's.
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- Stephen, welcome back to the show.
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- On a scale of 1 to 10,
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- How good was this news that broke this morning?
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- 4.3 growth q3 for gdp.
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- It's a really good number.
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- It's a solid number.
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- I put it at 8 or 9.
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- Trump wants 5% growth.
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- We're not quite there yet,
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- Although we could get there instantly.
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- Once you get, above 3.5% economic
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- Growth, then the economy grows faster than the debt grows.
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- And so the burden, you know, because i know everyone
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- Listening to the show is concerned about our,
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- You know, massive debt.
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- And one way of, of lowering
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- That debt is to grow our way out of it.
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- So look, i'm super bullish on this u.s.
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- Economy.
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- It's been a really good 2025.
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- I don't care what the polls are showing that
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- All of the indicators show a very strong growth year.
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- And i think we're going to see a speed up in 2026,
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- Because a lot of people will come up to me
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- On the street, say, hey, steve moore,
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- I know you helped write that beautiful bill.
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- Why know why don't i sing it?
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- And i tell people, well, because it's yeah,
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- It hasn't taken effect yet
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- For tens of millions
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- Of americans on january 1st,
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- When they get their first paycheck
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- For the month of january,
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- They're going to start
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- To see less money withheld from their paycheck,
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- Which is exactly what americans want to see.
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- Awesome.
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- Okay, well, let's play
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- Some of the reactions from the news media here.
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- 189 president trump's trade agenda is working.
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- And so we got about, you know, 1.5% of the growth
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- Had 4.3 because we reduced the trade deficit.
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- We went back and we looked at every bloomberg forecast
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- For the main numbers since september
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- And found that on average, we outperformed
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- The forecasts 94% of the time.
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- So if 94% of wall street economists are getting
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- The macro trends wrong,
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- They need to start to think about, hey,
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- You know, maybe trump's
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- Policies are actually way better than we thought,
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- And maybe the fake news
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- That says all these terrible things
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- About trump policies should reconsider. and,
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- You know, grab their pencil and redo their economics.
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- Why do they get so why are these economic,
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- Economists getting so much wrong.
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- Is it just tds or.
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- And then i want to talk about tariffs.
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- You know, because that seems to be
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- The big hot button question.
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- You could take it in whatever or do you want stephen.
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- So yeah, it's absolutely true that trump derangement syndrome
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- Is a a pathological disorder in this country.
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- And it does judge it. it does,
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- Change people's perceptions
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- Of what's happening in the economy,
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- Especially academics and, professional economists
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- Who keep lowballing the numbers
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- And they keep getting them wrong, you know, as, as,
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- My friend
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- Kevin hassett just said 94% of the time they're wrong.
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- Maybe they should start thinking
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- That their that their assessments
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- And their models are completely off base.
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- They got the inflation numbers wrong.
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- They got the job numbers wrong.
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- They got the trade deficit numbers wrong.
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- In fact, i'm
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- Writing a column on this right now as we speak about,
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- You know, these professional economists
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- Probably should
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- Turn their phds back and, and say,
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- We don't know what we're talking about
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- Because they are consistently well, we are seeing energy
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- Prices drop.
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- Oh, yeah. gasoline. amazing.
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- I mean, gas prices under $2 to gallon.
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- Alan. yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- There's, i think in cincinnati it's at like 250 a gallon.
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- What might be one of the lower parts of the country.
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- Kentucky. by the way,
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- You know, what state has the highest gas price?
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- California.
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- Yeah.
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- By like by, like five bucks a gallon there.
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- Well, yeah, it's a little lower than that.
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- But, you know, like, it's it's very structural.
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- California has it.
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- You basically can only refine
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- The fuel for cars over here and they won't build
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- New refineries.
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- And so, you know, it's a whole issue. yeah.
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- But there's a price point.
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- But there's a serious point here.
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- If you look at the ten states that have the highest
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- Cost of living, nine of them are blue states,
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- Because liberal democrats cause shortages of everything
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- Because of their stupid policies
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- With high taxes, high regulations,
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- And therefore the price rises.
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- So if you want lower prices, folks move to a red state
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- Like florida, like texas, like alabama, like utah,
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- That's where prices down.
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- And the way you bring the mortgage rate down is
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- Bring the inflation rate down, which trump is doing.
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- Mortgage rates will continue to fall as prices, stabilize.
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- Yeah. hey.
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- Real quick, we have two minutes left here.
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- Stephen, you were, you knew charlie for a long time.
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- When did you first meet charlie kirk? so.
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- I mean, i was thinking about that
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- The other day, and, you know, he he.
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- I met him when he, way before you guys did.
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- I think he was 18 or 19 years old.
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- Really just getting started.
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- And my friend gary rabin,
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- Who was very close to charlie,
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- Had a event
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- Which with charlie and i think he was just starting,
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- I think, as i said, just, just, you know, about 18
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- Or 19 years old and i remember this.
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- Who is this?
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- You know, his kid.
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- You know, he you know, he was very ambitious.
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- And i don't say that in a negative way.
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- In a positive way. he knew what he wanted to do.
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- He knew he wanted to be leader.
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- And when he started doing, it's like reading out
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- Laugh or reading larry kudlow, reading
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- Steve moore and educating himself.
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- And by the way,
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- You can educate yourself way more by reading the stuff
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- That we write than the crap that they
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- They teach in
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- College on the economics, because most of it is wrong.
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- That's the reason 94% of the
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- Professional economists got it wrong.
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- But he, you know, i just saw his evolution
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- Over the next 12, 11 or 12 years.
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- And every time i saw him,
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- He just got better and better and better and better.
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- And boy, i mean, it's just such a sad thing
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- Because i really believe
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- Charlie kirk was on a path to someday be
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- President of the united states. i really believe that,
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- Yeah.
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- And you guys, i i'll never.
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- One of my kind of lasting memories
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- Of this show with charlie at the helm was,
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- Every time you'd come on steve and we'd have this,
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- This whole topic prepped, and it would be, you know,
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- Charlie, we're going to talk about this
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- And this economic new number came in
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- And what trump's going to do or whatever.
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- And then you guys would
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- Just like talk about chicago the whole time.
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- But he and i both love the chicago, by the way,
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- How about those bears?
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- They they pulled off
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- A miracle in soldiers field on, this week.
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- And so we're probably, you know,
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- The same night as stephen, it was, the bears
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- Won in that overtime game against the packers.
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- And don't remind me, but, yeah, well, you know what?
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- Yeah, it really was a miracle.
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- The odds of the bears winning that game
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- With two minutes left was one and 201 and 200.
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- Miracles really can't happen.
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- It's a christmas miracle.
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- Stephen moore, thank you from unleash prosperity, my friend.
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- Merry christmas.
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- The wounds from
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- October 7th didn't fade when the headlines did.
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- Behind me rises
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- A new rehabilitation home for israel's wounded soldiers.
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- One of many urgent projects israel needs right now.
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- Entire communities shattered.
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- Families displaced.
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- And each day,
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- The impact of the need grows even more overwhelming.
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- But the bible says it clearly.
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- The righteous will live by faith and by faith.
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- The fellowship is rolling up our sleeves
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- And stepping into this immense challenge.
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- Helping mothers who don't know where to begin again.
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- Standing with paralyzed heroes.
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- Fighting to take their first steps.
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- Building centers of healing for the wounded
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- And the traumatized.
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- Bringing food and comfort to elderly israelis
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- Who have no one else to care for them.
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- To see the life saving work of the fellowship.
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- Unfolding across israel right now.
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- Visit ifc's dawg.
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- Visit ifc's dawg.
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- Right, next up here is barton garson.
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- She is the host of batya with an exclamation mark.
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- On news nation.
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- Bharti, you have, we were talking on the phone.
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- You've been watching everything
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- From, that happened at amp fest from afar.
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- And you, you know, you were so complimentary to,
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- Me and to turning point about, the event because i think
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- Maybe you were surprised by it a little bit.
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- You were a little nervous,
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- A little trepidation going in when you saw the speaker list.
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- And then, tell us what your 30,000ft view.
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- What was the vibe for you?
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- Watching from afar?
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- First of all, thank you so much for having me, andrew.
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- I have to say, i'm, like, unexpectedly
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- Getting a little bit emotional
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- Because it's my first time on since charlie was taken.
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- Realize?
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- Yeah.
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- He meant so much to me.
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- Actually, there's a woman on my street
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- Whose car has, we live in brooklyn.
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- South brooklyn.
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- So it's, you know, not, you know, hipster brooklyn,
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- But her car is just festooned with,
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- Stickers about charlie.
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- And i was literally staking out the car
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- Because i didn't know whose
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- It belonged to, and i just wanted to thank her.
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- And the first time i saw her
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- Getting out of the car, i just ran over turn.
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- We just had the most amazing
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- Conversation about what he meant, to this country.
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- And so, thank you so much for having me.
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- I think about him every single day.
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- I thought that the america fest you put on was incredible.
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- Incredible.
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- It was so important because,
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- You allowed the debate to be aired,
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- And i think we get really
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- Attached to our positions in this country,
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- And then we get really attached to the idea that, you know,
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- We have to convince people that we're right and we forget
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- That the most important thing
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- Is, i think what charlie really stood for,
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- Which was the view
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- That more unites us and divides us as americans, is
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- And that you have to have the conversation.
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- You have to trust your fellow americans,
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- And you have to bring that love
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- That he had even to people that don't agree with you.
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- I think like that is the thing that we really lost
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- Was that spectacle of him going to those college campuses
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- And talking to people whose views i know
- 00:10:27.768 --> 00:10:30.538
- He thought were bad and wrong and dangerous, but
- 00:10:30.538 --> 00:10:33.574
- You could still see the love that he brought to them.
- 00:10:33.574 --> 00:10:37.111
- And that's my new year's resolution, is to be more like
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- That even,
- 00:10:40.915 --> 00:10:42.283
- Especially when i'm talking about
- 00:10:42.283 --> 00:10:43.884
- The things that matter to me the most.
- 00:10:43.884 --> 00:10:45.920
- And i just felt that you really you and erica made
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- That happen.
- 00:10:49.790 --> 00:10:51.392
- You aired
- 00:10:51.392 --> 00:10:52.526
- The debate and everybody could see it for themselves.
- 00:10:52.526 --> 00:10:56.363
- And because this is the greatest country on earth,
- 00:10:56.363 --> 00:10:58.999
- And the american people
- 00:10:58.999 --> 00:11:00.000
- Are the most incredible people on planet earth,
- 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:03.571
- It reminded me to just trust that process
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- Of seeing the debate
- 00:11:07.174 --> 00:11:08.309
- And hearing the debate and listening to both sides.
- 00:11:08.309 --> 00:11:11.579
- So i just i watched every minute of it.
- 00:11:11.579 --> 00:11:13.848
- I was glued to it.
- 00:11:13.848 --> 00:11:15.049
- And i'm so proud of you and just
- 00:11:15.049 --> 00:11:18.919
- Again, like to see charlie's legacy being carried on in
- 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:22.423
- Such a fulsome way
- 00:11:22.423 --> 00:11:23.557
- Was really moving to me and really powerful.
- 00:11:23.557 --> 00:11:26.861
- Wow. well, thank you.
- 00:11:26.861 --> 00:11:27.995
- Thank you for saying that. but yeah, it means a lot.
- 00:11:27.995 --> 00:11:29.697
- And, i know blake
- 00:11:29.697 --> 00:11:31.198
- Blake's in studio there in phoenix, and, you know,
- 00:11:31.198 --> 00:11:34.468
- We we both sort of watched everything play out,
- 00:11:34.468 --> 00:11:36.704
- And we saw the online chatter and, you know, the
- 00:11:36.704 --> 00:11:39.740
- The elephant in the room is sort of this foreign policy
- 00:11:39.740 --> 00:11:43.878
- Debate, the israel debate, but also this, this debate.
- 00:11:43.878 --> 00:11:47.114
- Ben kind of kicked things off on night one,
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- Calling out
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- Some of the people that he had grievances with,
- 00:11:50.684 --> 00:11:51.919
- And then they ended up taking the stage later,
- 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:54.188
- Some of them at least, and kind of throwing it back.
- 00:11:54.188 --> 00:11:57.024
- So it like you said, it was this, this debate, this
- 00:11:57.024 --> 00:11:59.794
- Airing of family business, as erica called it.
- 00:11:59.794 --> 00:12:03.063
- And but then we, we led up to, like feel free
- 00:12:03.063 --> 00:12:06.901
- If you want to chime in on that, on that point
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- Before i move on.
- 00:12:09.670 --> 00:12:10.871
- Because i do have a question for but,
- 00:12:10.871 --> 00:12:12.173
- You know, that was just to get into it.
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- Let's get into it.
- 00:12:13.674 --> 00:12:14.642
- All right.
- 00:12:14.642 --> 00:12:15.342
- So you on your show, had some
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- Some words for, i mean, directed at j.d.
- 00:12:18.145 --> 00:12:21.081
- Vance.
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- And i want to give you a chance to kind of talk about that.
- 00:12:22.316 --> 00:12:24.885
- Let's go ahead and play.
- 00:12:24.885 --> 00:12:25.719
- 209 so there was already anointing.
- 00:12:25.719 --> 00:12:27.822
- The vice president is the gop nominee for 2028.
- 00:12:27.822 --> 00:12:31.192
- You might want to slow your roll.
- 00:12:31.192 --> 00:12:33.260
- Leadership is about having principles
- 00:12:33.260 --> 00:12:35.196
- And standing up for them, no matter the blowback.
- 00:12:35.196 --> 00:12:38.232
- Not being afraid of offending actual nazis.
- 00:12:38.232 --> 00:12:42.336
- All right, so that seems to be the clip.
- 00:12:42.336 --> 00:12:44.138
- The elephant. i see you smiling there.
- 00:12:44.138 --> 00:12:46.707
- So i am obviously team jd.
- 00:12:46.707 --> 00:12:48.876
- I think he's an amazing leader.
- 00:12:48.876 --> 00:12:50.344
- I thought his speech at emphasis was morally clear.
- 00:12:50.344 --> 00:12:54.215
- He condemned anti-semitism.
- 00:12:54.215 --> 00:12:55.783
- He condemned, racism,
- 00:12:55.783 --> 00:12:58.586
- D anti-white racism, anti-asian racism.
- 00:12:58.586 --> 00:13:01.388
- And it felt like to me being there,
- 00:13:01.388 --> 00:13:03.924
- It was kind of like dads in the room.
- 00:13:03.924 --> 00:13:05.693
- Settle down, kids, here's the north star.
- 00:13:05.693 --> 00:13:07.661
- Here's where we're going.
- 00:13:07.661 --> 00:13:08.963
- You, you, we.
- 00:13:08.963 --> 00:13:10.297
- By the way,
- 00:13:10.297 --> 00:13:11.498
- We certainly are not trying to anoint jd vance anything.
- 00:13:11.498 --> 00:13:14.335
- It was sort of this if you're in turning point circles.
- 00:13:14.335 --> 00:13:17.538
- Charlie was talking about that.
- 00:13:17.538 --> 00:13:19.139
- We had jd back a thousand and he hopes he runs.
- 00:13:19.139 --> 00:13:21.809
- And if he runs we've got his back.
- 00:13:21.809 --> 00:13:23.744
- You know, so it was kind of this thing
- 00:13:23.744 --> 00:13:25.179
- That's been said out loud 48 times.
- 00:13:25.179 --> 00:13:27.114
- I think erica was just kind of like,
- 00:13:27.114 --> 00:13:28.582
- Let's just say it out loud, you know, let's just do it here.
- 00:13:28.582 --> 00:13:31.852
- But from your perspective, why did you say what you said?
- 00:13:31.852 --> 00:13:34.321
- And, you know, what is it going to take to kind of get you,
- 00:13:34.321 --> 00:13:38.092
- To come around on the jd, jd vance conversation?
- 00:13:38.092 --> 00:13:41.161
- I want to believe i'm so honored to be able
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- To have this conversation with you.
- 00:13:44.064 --> 00:13:46.033
- Like, you have no idea
- 00:13:46.033 --> 00:13:47.134
- What it means to me to be here with you in the room.
- 00:13:47.134 --> 00:13:50.571
- On so many issues, i think jd is spot on.
- 00:13:50.571 --> 00:13:53.908
- You know, my top issues i would say is
- 00:13:53.908 --> 00:13:56.477
- I think what president trump represented,
- 00:13:56.477 --> 00:13:59.313
- Which was, you know, being pro-worker, pro-labor,
- 00:13:59.313 --> 00:14:02.783
- The dignity of working class americans is like my number
- 00:14:02.783 --> 00:14:06.020
- One issue, which entails, you know,
- 00:14:06.020 --> 00:14:07.855
- Getting to immigration zero right away
- 00:14:07.855 --> 00:14:10.591
- For as long as it takes, you know, in order to make sure
- 00:14:10.591 --> 00:14:14.161
- That americans have access to the american dream
- 00:14:14.161 --> 00:14:17.264
- Before we start giving it to everybody else.
- 00:14:17.264 --> 00:14:19.833
- On foreign policy, i'm aware that i guess
- 00:14:19.833 --> 00:14:22.670
- The 50% of the turning point straw poll was like,
- 00:14:22.670 --> 00:14:26.040
- I see israel as a great ally among great allies.
- 00:14:26.040 --> 00:14:29.743
- Our interests are frequently aligned, but not always.
- 00:14:29.743 --> 00:14:32.846
- Sometimes the israelis, i think, overstep.
- 00:14:32.846 --> 00:14:35.249
- And i've been,
- 00:14:35.249 --> 00:14:36.150
- You know, glad to see president trump
- 00:14:36.150 --> 00:14:37.584
- Have a really strong idea of when our interests are aligned
- 00:14:37.584 --> 00:14:41.388
- And when they diverge, and choosing american interests
- 00:14:41.388 --> 00:14:43.891
- When he needs to, you know, so on all of that stuff,
- 00:14:43.891 --> 00:14:46.994
- I feel like, you know, very much on the same page,
- 00:14:46.994 --> 00:14:50.497
- Certainly don't want to go
- 00:14:50.497 --> 00:14:51.765
- Back to the like, rhino pre-trump version of the gop.
- 00:14:51.765 --> 00:14:55.569
- I think that would be a huge mistake
- 00:14:55.569 --> 00:14:57.338
- And a huge betrayal
- 00:14:57.338 --> 00:14:58.339
- Of the american working class, which is like
- 00:14:58.339 --> 00:15:00.074
- Where my allegiance is lie as a jewish american.
- 00:15:00.074 --> 00:15:04.445
- But i will say that i think
- 00:15:04.445 --> 00:15:07.348
- There have been podcasters out there who have been saying
- 00:15:07.348 --> 00:15:12.519
- Things that make me as an american and as a jew,
- 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:15.723
- Feel like i'm questioning whether this movement wants me.
- 00:15:15.723 --> 00:15:19.660
- For example, platforming people
- 00:15:19.660 --> 00:15:22.496
- Who think that hitler was not, the villain of world war two.
- 00:15:22.496 --> 00:15:27.668
- That's just going to make every jewish person
- 00:15:27.668 --> 00:15:29.970
- Like somebody,
- 00:15:29.970 --> 00:15:31.005
- A podcaster, agreeing with that point of view,
- 00:15:31.005 --> 00:15:33.273
- The way that tucker carlson seemed to
- 00:15:33.273 --> 00:15:34.908
- Is going to make every jewish person feel like,
- 00:15:34.908 --> 00:15:38.112
- Wait a minute, is that actually a question?
- 00:15:38.112 --> 00:15:40.948
- And so when jd says, well, i'm, you know, close
- 00:15:40.948 --> 00:15:43.650
- To tucker carlson, i disagree with him about a lot of things,
- 00:15:43.650 --> 00:15:46.253
- But i'm not going to be clear about what those things are.
- 00:15:46.253 --> 00:15:49.523
- That leaves people thinking, well, you know,
- 00:15:49.523 --> 00:15:52.192
- Is that one of the things or not?
- 00:15:52.192 --> 00:15:54.194
- Yeah. and, blake, i
- 00:15:54.194 --> 00:15:58.098
- That christmas morning.
- 00:15:58.599 --> 00:16:00.200
- Wise men brought gifts from outside the holy land.
- 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:05.005
- But now that the war is over,
- 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:08.642
- This holy land and her people
- 00:16:08.642 --> 00:16:10.544
- Are still carrying deep wounded.
- 00:16:10.544 --> 00:16:13.313
- Many of the elderly are alone and suffering
- 00:16:13.313 --> 00:16:16.984
- Like the wise men or wise women.
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- When you open your heart and give a special holiday food
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- Box to someone here in israel
- 00:16:25.592 --> 00:16:28.295
- This christmas chronicles season.
- 00:16:28.295 --> 00:16:31.365
- People like hannah who can't buy food.
- 00:16:31.365 --> 00:16:35.736
- That's where the fellowship is called to feed the hungry.
- 00:16:35.736 --> 00:16:39.973
- Please call, scan or go online now to help rush emergency
- 00:16:39.973 --> 00:16:44.044
- Food and healing to elderly jews
- 00:16:44.044 --> 00:16:46.146
- And their christian neighbors struggling
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- To rebuild their lives from the war.
- 00:16:47.915 --> 00:16:50.084
- What will happen when we make this holy day season?
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- Holy indeed.
- 00:16:55.422 --> 00:16:56.995
- Holy indeed.
- 00:16:56.995 --> 00:17:06.136
- But i want to show that you mentioned the straw poll.
- 00:17:07.204 --> 00:17:09.272
- Go ahead and throw a 178, up on the screen.
- 00:17:09.272 --> 00:17:12.209
- It shows 53.4%,
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- Consider israel an ally, 33.3% our top ally.
- 00:17:15.011 --> 00:17:19.516
- Only 13.3% say that israel is not
- 00:17:19.516 --> 00:17:23.153
- An ally of the united states.
- 00:17:23.153 --> 00:17:24.354
- So despite all of, you know, the hand-wringing,
- 00:17:24.354 --> 00:17:27.224
- All the loud voices online, we still are at, you know, 87%
- 00:17:27.224 --> 00:17:32.562
- Of amish attendees, consider,
- 00:17:32.562 --> 00:17:35.799
- You know, israel, either our top ally or or an ally.
- 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:38.802
- And, you know, maybe what you're seeing
- 00:17:38.802 --> 00:17:40.670
- In the shift in the dialog is more to,
- 00:17:40.670 --> 00:17:42.906
- You know, one ally of many as opposed to our top ally.
- 00:17:42.906 --> 00:17:45.942
- Maybe that's the shift you've seen in the trump era.
- 00:17:45.942 --> 00:17:48.879
- Blake, i want i want to give you
- 00:17:48.879 --> 00:17:50.547
- A chance to respond just because of.
- 00:17:50.547 --> 00:17:52.349
- Yeah, yeah.
- 00:17:52.349 --> 00:17:53.216
- So a few things i, i totally understand
- 00:17:53.216 --> 00:17:55.418
- Where you're coming through specifically on some of that.
- 00:17:55.418 --> 00:17:57.754
- Yeah.
- 00:17:57.754 --> 00:17:58.688
- The hitler stuff that's popped up more i,
- 00:17:58.688 --> 00:18:01.892
- I will say i've been hearing stuff like that
- 00:18:01.892 --> 00:18:05.028
- Honestly my entire adult life.
- 00:18:05.629 --> 00:18:07.297
- It bubbles up.
- 00:18:07.297 --> 00:18:08.465
- I think there is an element where some people find it
- 00:18:08.465 --> 00:18:10.600
- Interesting in a transgressive sense
- 00:18:10.600 --> 00:18:13.069
- Or something, to ask, i think this is gonna be
- 00:18:13.069 --> 00:18:15.272
- The hardest question that batya has to navigate
- 00:18:15.272 --> 00:18:18.041
- So you've got guys like steve bannon.
- 00:18:18.041 --> 00:18:21.011
- He calls himself a zionist.
- 00:18:21.011 --> 00:18:22.913
- You've got matt gates who just did
- 00:18:22.913 --> 00:18:25.182
- The interview with tucker carlson.
- 00:18:25.182 --> 00:18:26.516
- He calls himself pro-israel.
- 00:18:26.516 --> 00:18:28.552
- You've got a lot of you. meghan kelly
- 00:18:28.552 --> 00:18:30.353
- Has been traditionally extremely pro-israel.
- 00:18:30.353 --> 00:18:33.089
- Their biggest beef is that they
- 00:18:33.089 --> 00:18:36.226
- And by the way, charlie had this conversation
- 00:18:36.226 --> 00:18:37.761
- With meghan,
- 00:18:37.761 --> 00:18:38.862
- You know, just before, he was assassinated, actually
- 00:18:38.862 --> 00:18:42.432
- Was just this feeling from, like,
- 00:18:42.432 --> 00:18:44.634
- The gentile friends of the jewish
- 00:18:44.634 --> 00:18:46.436
- People and israel that there is a moral blackmail campaign
- 00:18:46.436 --> 00:18:50.173
- Where the pressure just feels like, you know,
- 00:18:50.173 --> 00:18:52.042
- If you're only with us 80% of the way,
- 00:18:52.042 --> 00:18:54.477
- We're not going to be happy.
- 00:18:54.477 --> 00:18:55.612
- And we're going to we're we're going to call you names.
- 00:18:55.612 --> 00:18:58.882
- It i do find it counterproductive.
- 00:18:58.882 --> 00:19:01.418
- I'm not saying everybody's guilty of it.
- 00:19:01.418 --> 00:19:03.086
- I'm literally
- 00:19:03.086 --> 00:19:03.987
- About to send a video to dennis prager
- 00:19:03.987 --> 00:19:05.322
- Wishing him a merry christmas because he loves christmas.
- 00:19:05.322 --> 00:19:07.724
- And you, you know, i love you.
- 00:19:07.724 --> 00:19:09.192
- It's, like, completely
- 00:19:09.192 --> 00:19:10.493
- Even when i disagree with you, but that that's.
- 00:19:10.493 --> 00:19:12.329
- So what is that dynamic and what do you do about that?
- 00:19:12.329 --> 00:19:14.898
- Do you feel like the response
- 00:19:14.898 --> 00:19:16.266
- After october 7th is driving away?
- 00:19:16.266 --> 00:19:18.235
- Friends of israel?
- 00:19:18.235 --> 00:19:19.703
- I'm going to give an analogy, okay.
- 00:19:20.503 --> 00:19:23.406
- I am a person who feels that we should not be funding
- 00:19:23.406 --> 00:19:26.943
- The ukraine war.
- 00:19:26.943 --> 00:19:28.378
- Okay, i've thought that from the beginning,
- 00:19:28.378 --> 00:19:31.014
- Two weeks in, putin was like, if you all just recognize
- 00:19:31.014 --> 00:19:34.317
- The status quo and ratify it, that crimea belongs to russia,
- 00:19:34.317 --> 00:19:38.455
- Which he had already taken eight years earlier,
- 00:19:38.455 --> 00:19:41.057
- You know
- 00:19:41.057 --> 00:19:41.758
- That the donbas is independent,
- 00:19:41.758 --> 00:19:43.193
- Which there was a civil war there,
- 00:19:43.193 --> 00:19:45.228
- And that ukraine is not part of nato.
- 00:19:45.228 --> 00:19:47.097
- I'll withdraw immediately.
- 00:19:47.097 --> 00:19:48.331
- I thought we should have pushed for that.
- 00:19:48.331 --> 00:19:50.133
- You know, we had gas prices were insane at the time.
- 00:19:50.133 --> 00:19:54.037
- I just didn't understand
- 00:19:54.037 --> 00:19:55.672
- Why, you know, a few hundred kilometers in eastern europe
- 00:19:55.672 --> 00:19:58.775
- Was the responsibility of the american working class to bear.
- 00:19:58.775 --> 00:20:03.179
- Now, if you hold that view, which i do,
- 00:20:03.179 --> 00:20:06.650
- You will get
- 00:20:06.983 --> 00:20:08.785
- Letters, snail mail delivered to your home
- 00:20:08.785 --> 00:20:11.655
- With death threats from people who are pro ukraine.
- 00:20:11.655 --> 00:20:14.858
- The entire ukraine lobby will come after you.
- 00:20:14.858 --> 00:20:17.527
- They will impugn your character.
- 00:20:17.527 --> 00:20:18.828
- They will call you a putin puppet.
- 00:20:18.828 --> 00:20:20.563
- Doesn't matter how many times you say
- 00:20:20.563 --> 00:20:21.798
- Putin is a thug and a murderer, which is what i believe.
- 00:20:21.798 --> 00:20:24.968
- The people who feel very strongly about this
- 00:20:24.968 --> 00:20:28.204
- Issue will do everything they can to get you to shut up.
- 00:20:28.204 --> 00:20:32.309
- And you know what, andrew?
- 00:20:32.309 --> 00:20:33.643
- That is their job.
- 00:20:33.643 --> 00:20:35.345
- I don't hold that against them.
- 00:20:35.345 --> 00:20:37.747
- And the idea that that would make me embrace
- 00:20:37.747 --> 00:20:41.117
- Russia as the good guys, because the ukrainians
- 00:20:41.117 --> 00:20:44.454
- Are behaving insane at the extremes.
- 00:20:44.454 --> 00:20:47.924
- That's
- 00:20:48.124 --> 00:20:49.059
- Insane, because i don't answer to the inverse
- 00:20:49.059 --> 00:20:51.561
- Of what the most extreme people in our lobby are doing.
- 00:20:51.561 --> 00:20:54.431
- I answer to my god, i have to face myself in the mirror.
- 00:20:54.431 --> 00:20:58.802
- So, you know, and the fact that there are
- 00:20:58.802 --> 00:21:00.937
- These loons at the extreme of the ukraine lobby,
- 00:21:00.937 --> 00:21:03.907
- That doesn't even influence how i think about zelensky
- 00:21:03.907 --> 00:21:07.811
- Or the ukrainian people,
- 00:21:07.811 --> 00:21:09.479
- Or the vast majority of the people
- 00:21:09.479 --> 00:21:11.481
- Who think we should be funding the war in ukraine.
- 00:21:11.481 --> 00:21:13.850
- I have a policy difference that makes me very unpopular
- 00:21:13.850 --> 00:21:17.587
- With a very big group of people,
- 00:21:17.587 --> 00:21:19.723
- And the extremes of them
- 00:21:19.723 --> 00:21:21.491
- Are extreme in their opposition to me
- 00:21:21.491 --> 00:21:23.727
- And think i should be dead for having my view.
- 00:21:23.727 --> 00:21:26.363
- The idea
- 00:21:26.363 --> 00:21:27.364
- That i would allow that to influence my view
- 00:21:27.364 --> 00:21:28.932
- Would make me an unserious person.
- 00:21:28.932 --> 00:21:31.101
- So do i think there are people
- 00:21:31.101 --> 00:21:32.435
- In the israel lobby
- 00:21:32.435 --> 00:21:33.403
- Who embarrass me because they are extreme?
- 00:21:33.403 --> 00:21:36.206
- Sure.
- 00:21:36.206 --> 00:21:37.374
- Do i think israel itself has in some ways behaved badly,
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- Especially vis-a-vis, our president,
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- The greatest friend the jewish people have ever had? yes.
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- Does that if somebody allows that to determine
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- Whether they interview holocaust survivors,
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- If it's anybody telling you
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- That that is an excuse to become anti-semitic,
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- I think is not a morally serious person.
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- That is a person who is not answering to their god.
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- That is a person who was answering
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- To the inverse of the algorithm.
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- And i look down on that.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- And i know that you think some of the reaction
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- Has been counterproductive.
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- So i just wanted to give you an opportunity to to say that
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- And listen, i am going to convince you on jd vance.
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- It's just going to happen.
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- I know i'm going to take a bow and the internet's
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- Going to know because jd vance, a good man
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- And i know you want to believe, and i know you're waiting
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- And you're waiting for.
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- You're waiting for the signal to proceed.
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- We're going to we're going to get you there. but.
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- As this year draws to an end,
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- I'd like to express my
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- Heartfelt gratitude to our partners, the fellowship
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- Of christians and jews.
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- And i'd like to say thank you to our audience
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- Who have supported them in prayer, with finances
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- And standing strong for the people of israel.
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- The fellowship is one of america's
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- Most beloved
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- Organizations, spanning more than 40 years of ministry,
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- Providing tangible help
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- And comfort to the people of israel
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- In the ukraine and across the former soviet union.
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- This holiday season and every day of the year,
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- The fellowship is called to serve
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- The elderly jewish people,
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- Many of whom are holocaust survivors who are now
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- Living in the shadow of past wars, poverty and loneliness.
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- During this christmas time, join me and fulfill
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- The prophet isaiah as cry to comfort.
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- Comfort my people, says your god.
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- To find out how. visit ifg.
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- Org. that's if c.j. dawg.
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