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This is an issue blake and i have been talking about
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Behind the scenes for the last,
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I don't know, a couple weeks, actually,
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And we're going to
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Be covering on this show here to help us do it is ben leo.
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He is the us correspondent for jb news out of the uk.
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It's also got a show.
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Hold on, let me get the show.
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Actually, ben, what's the name of your show?
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Yeah, i make it to see.
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It's the disney channel.
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Is jb news, the uk's number one news channel.
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And the show,
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Which i host here from dc, is called the late show life
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Beautiful.
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The late show live with ben leo.
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We've had you on the show before with charlie.
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It's great to see you again.
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Obviously, this henry nowak, story has been building
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And building and building, as we found out the details of it.
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Why don't you just set the stage for our audience? who?
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Maybe he doesn't know yet what happened here.
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And then we'll get into some analysis.
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Yeah, sure.
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Well, look, i'm great to be with you.
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When i had the privilege of speaking to charlie
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Last year in london, he said to me that the uk needs
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To get its mojo back.
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That was one thing i remembered,
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Amongst many things, from my conversation with charlie.
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And i think this is going to be the tipping point,
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Andrew, for the uk to finally
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Put its socks up and get its mojo back,
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Because what we saw with this case,
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The murder of henry novak, it wasn't just a murder
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In the true sense, it was anti whites.
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It was racism.
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It was a dereliction of duty.
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What happened was, long story short,
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Henry young, 18 year old lad, bright future ahead of him.
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He was on a night out with friends in town.
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He'd had a few drinks, although he wasn't drunk.
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He was below the legal drink drive limit in the uk.
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He was walking back home to his house in southampton.
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At some point he came across, a guy
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Called, vikram digga, who was a 23 year old.
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He's a sikh indian chap, also lived in southampton,
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Where henry was from.
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And at some point
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There was an exchange of words, late at night,
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Henry films tyga on his phone, on snapchat
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That he was saying that you're a bad man on you.
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You're a bad man.
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There was some exchange of words,
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And at some point after that, in the minutes that followed,
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It ended up with poor henry again.
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He's he's an 18 year old boy, somebodys mother.
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Somebody some, some of somebody. brother.
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He was stabbed five times by diego.
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Using his ceremonial sword, which is a kid on.
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So in the united kingdom, you're not
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Allowed to carry a knife anywhere.
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It's illegal. it's against the law.
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However, sikhs have a religious exemption.
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They're allowed to carry, a knife as part of their faith.
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So henry is sliced five times, including in the chest.
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He slashed around the face, he tries to run off
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And scale a fence, and he's got injuries
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To the back of his legs as well.
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And the police were fooled.
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Not by henry, not by witnesses.
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But they called by the killer's brother, who claims that
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Henry has levied racist abuse towards stig
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While he tried to throw his term in office,
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Had an insult in hussey racist name.
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So the brothers involved on the scene.
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The killer's still at the scene,
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Filming henry dying on the floor.
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And you can say, this is police body cam footage.
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Only now, when the police turned up, andrew,
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They instead of
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Listening to henry's pleas, he was dying on the floor.
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You can hear the blood gurgling around his mouth and lungs.
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He's saying, help! i've been stabbed.
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I've been stabbed, i can't breathe,
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The police officer, because where was that saying?
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He's been racially abused.
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The police officer is more concerned
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With the fact that this guy may have been racially abused.
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And called a name.
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He wasn't, by the way,
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It was found in port henry wasn't racist.
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It was a complete egregious lie.
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And instead of
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Listening to the dying last breaths of henry on the floor,
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We saying, i can't breathe.
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I've been stabbed,
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The copper says to him, i don't think you have, mate.
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And instead he coughs. henry.
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In his dying moments,
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You can see on the screen now, his hand pale white,
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And henry's
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Last moments on earth were being read his rights
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By this police officer, saying, you're under arrest.
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You don't have to say anything.
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Anything you do say may be given in evidence.
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And those are the last words that poor boy had on the floor.
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All because, andrew,
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We have dangerous progressive race theory,
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Which is cuts british institutions,
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Police forces who are now more concerned about racism
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Than the pleas of a dying boy on the floor
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Who's been slain in cold blood.
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Then it really
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It's been interesting to see this case unfold
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Because it's been happening over several weeks.
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The murder happened months ago, but then the trial begins
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And just
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The details start to trickle out,
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And it just feels like at every step
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You almost couldn't you couldn't write a television
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Episode that would hit as many beats as this does.
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The way he's
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The killer immediately knows we need to create
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A story of racism
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And lie about this in order to try to win the police over.
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They literally delayed calling the police
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So they could work out their story.
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The fact that they're
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Caught on camera, i believe in the police car,
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Basically talking to each other in punjabi, saying,
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Yeah, i stabbed him, but
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We're going to lie about this and here's our story.
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And then the fact
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That he's carrying a knife, a normal british person
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Whose ancestors fought at the battle of hastings
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Can't carry that knife.
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But this immigrant group
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Can carry the knife that he used to kill them.
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And that was part of his defense. just.
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Yeah, it really feels like this has unleashed
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A political movement in the uk that they're in dire need of.
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Can you elaborate on that part?
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Yeah. and by the way, this was a family affair.
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The mother came down and tried to hide the murder weapon.
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She tried to hide it,
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And the brother was on the phone
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To the police on nine, nine, nine saying
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They've been victim of racism.
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The father then came down and manhandled henry's body.
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And just the way poor henry was dragged across the gravel,
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With blood filling his lungs, the police in the province
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Give first aid.
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And what we've seen, this is a result of,
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As i said, dangerous progressive race theory.
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Hampshire police, for example, the police
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Constabulary involved in this case,
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They have a race action
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Plan on their website which states verbatim, i quote,
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The force will pursue offenders and deal with offenses
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That caused the most harm to ethnic minority communities.
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So not all communities, not white communities,
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Ethnic minority communities, communities specifically,
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Essex police described white people as a non
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Protected group and a similar action plan.
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And what this has done, as i said, this is the
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The beginning of the uk getting its mojo back.
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Thousands of people protesting on the streets
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Of southampton last night, skirmishes with police.
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The anger is at tipping point.
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And you know what happened when george floyd was killed
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In minneapolis.
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And by the way, in the way of these two comparable george
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Floyd, a drug addict who held a gun up to a woman's,
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Abdomen and abdomen in a robbery, starmer, keir
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Starmer, the prime minister, everybody did who was caught,
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Took the knee. they took the knee for george floyd.
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What does case starmer do today?
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He gets up in parliament and he has a go at nigel farage
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For who describe the incident as horrific
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And said that people should have cold rage in anger.
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And keir starmer took the knee for george floyd,
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Nothing for henry novak.
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And he stood up today
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Guys saying he's focused the prime minister
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On what lessons need to be learned.
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Well, let me tell you, i'm tired of hearing lessons.
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I said this on earlier
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Because they're not learning the lessons.
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The government time off.
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The time is repeating the same mistakes.
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We had multiple incidents in the uk of recent years
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Where police who in their bid not to be racists
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Or hurt people
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Emotionally, have allowed atrocities
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To take place in manchester arena.
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Bombing the ariana grande day concert,
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Where dozens of small girls were blown up
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By a suicide bomber.
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The police officer who spotted that guy on that incident
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Was too afraid
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To approach him with a dodgy looking backpack on his back
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Because he thought he'd be called racist.
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And i don't know if this is some sort of inherent
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British trait where we're just trying to be nice and polite.
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We mutter under our breaths,
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We get angry for a few weeks, and then we carry on.
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And then people like keir starmer say,
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Well, there's lessons to be learned.
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After the ariana grande, suicide bombing some years ago
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In manchester,
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The theme was
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Oh, don't look back in anger, don't look back in anger.
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Well, let me tell you, it's about time
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We did look back in anger
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When we started doing something about it.
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The two of the police officers involved, the one who said,
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I don't think you have.
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They're being investigated, but they need to be prosecuted.
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Same with the family who tried covering up.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, there was somebody on x
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That was like, well, we shouldn't politicize
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This and nigel farrar shouldn't politicize this.
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You're you're completely wrong.
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Actually, this must be politicized
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Because it was politics that killed that young man.
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It was politics that wrote the policies that allowed him
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To be handcuffed while his murderer
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Was given every benefit of the doubt.
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It was politics that led to this.
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Stay right there, ben.
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Stay right there, ben.
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Ben leo with jb news chief u.s.
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Correspondent is with us.
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We're talking about henry novak, the tragic case
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In the uk. and, ben,
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Blake has a interesting personality
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He wants to highlight. so.
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Well, we want to dive into
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The protests which have erupted here.
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So, britain, for americans who don't understand
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Britain has a position.
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The home secretary, kind of the chief cop, chief
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Immigration enforcer,
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Kind of a combination of dhs and attorney general.
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I'm sure she's a, her name.
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This is a labor government. shabana mahmood. so
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Is this person immigration person,
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The person handling immigration enforcement.
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The case name is shabana mahmood.
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She also handles protests like this one.
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So right now i want to flag.
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She is threatening maximal legal crackdown on the people
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Protesting over novak's death in in the southampton area.
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And i just dug into her history and a couple things.
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First of all, last fall,
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She announced new policies that i believe
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Have been implemented to allow police to put
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Conditions and restrictions on repeat protests.
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So this is not violent protests.
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This is not instruction, is just protesting repeatedly
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Because she says it intimidates
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Or spreads fear among communities.
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I'm sure there
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I'm sure that will be applied equally in this country.
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And in 2020,
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As a member of parliament, she's sent a letter after
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George floyd's death demanding that the british government
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Ban exports of riot gear
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Could that could be used by law enforcement
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So that it could not be used to contain riots
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In the united states over george floyd?
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So that's britain's home secretary right now.
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And the
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Comparison i've heard, ben, and you can respond to this.
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It feels like the british
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Government and british police view themselves
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As an occupying foreign power handling an insurrection
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By a restive native population,
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Which is british people.
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Well, there's a long running conversation in the uk now
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Which has been considered far right for a couple of years
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About whether, you know, shabana mahmood is british.
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Although she's got some controversy in my book because
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Although she's deemed as the most right wing minister
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In the labor party, in the government
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Right now, she's
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Apparently trying to crack down on illegal migration
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And so on.
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She's appearing to do her part.
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She's trying to broker deals with france and so on.
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I continually make the point, that shabana mahmood
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Some years ago was on the beaches
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Of lesvos, the greek island, in, eastern europe, where the
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The illegal migration wave of europe was starting.
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So all these people would come
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To turkey through africa, they go through lesvos.
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She was pictured on the beaches of lesvos,
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Handing out lifejackets to illegal migrants and so on.
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So i just don't see how now you can change your ideological,
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And even spiritual stance
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To such a point where on one minute you're
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Welcoming thousands of migrants to europe,
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And the next minute you're in the uk government,
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Prancing around, trying to convince the british public
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That you are serious about stopping illegal migration.
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Does that speak for themselves?
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Since labor took power,
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We've had 70,000 illegal migrants
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Flooding through the uk southern border.
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The government will keep saying, we're doing our best.
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We've got deportation deals.
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We've, deported so many people.
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The only people that are deporting are,
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Vietnamese nail bar workers who no one really cares about
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Because it's not the vietnamese now, bar workers
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Who were going out causing jihad
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And saying that they want to,
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Bring down the west and the united kingdom.
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So, i've had my my concerns about shabana mahmood
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For some time,
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Even just on the very basics politically,
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That i don't know how you can change your
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Ideology that quickly at the click of a finger.
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I don't trust her to sort out the uk's migration problem
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Or indeed protect the future of the uk sovereignty,
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And culture and identity, which is what's under attack.
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Here is an attack on the british heritage.
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Britain in 50 years will not look anything like it
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Did when i was a small boy.
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So it really changed exponentially.
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In just 20 years.
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It will look nothing like it did
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In a couple of decades if we carry on the way we are.
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And i do not trust anybody
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In this labor government right now. they are socialists.
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They are, some of them commies.
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They cannot be trusted to secure
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Ben, let's look ahead.
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Right. because obviously, i agree with you.
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Labor is a disaster.
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They don't care about british heritage.
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They'll give you lip service.
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They'll say, let's learn some lessons here.
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But everything's going to continue on the way.
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It's been continuing on.
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Basically, let's be honest,
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We've got reform.
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You've got some other conservative,
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You know, parties that are kind of around the fray.
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How is it shaping up and who's actually
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Do you trust to deal with this?
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We're friends with nigel. we like nigel.
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I know he's,
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Reform is doing really, really great in the polls,
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But who's actually got the backbone
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To do some deportations?
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Some re migration?
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Because you got these pakistani
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Rape gangs, these people need to go.
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Everybody with a brain knows this.
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I'm just.
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Is the uk have that kind of spunk.
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That mojo.
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Well, i've been saying for a couple of weeks
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Now that whoever takes the reins of power
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In a couple of years,
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That the general election,
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They'll need to look at what's happened
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In the us with regards to mass deportations,
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How ice have hounded,
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What problems the white house have had, i.e.
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The process, the, the resistance, reform uk
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Absolutely. wiping the polls.
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They've been leading every poll for the past year and a half.
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They just won the local elections,
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Which are kind of like our midterms in the uk.
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They slaughtered everybody, politically.
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So yeah, as it stands now, nigel farage reform
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That will be taken government unless anything big changes.
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Restore britain.
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You've got rupert lowe,
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Who's a former friend and mp of nigel farage.
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Excuse me,
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He's a bit more rightwing than, travelodge is expected
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To be.
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But they have said reform uk, they'll start a, as far
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As i remember, a uk version of ice for mass deportations.
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Certainly at the very least of illegal migrants.
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And then the other conversation is, as you mentioned, andre,
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The pakistani.
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Right, gangs,
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Everybody in those communities who knew what was going
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On, whether they were directly involved in abusing
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White working class english girls or not.
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And they but they knew what was going on
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And they said nothing.
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There's an argument that even though
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They are british nationals or maybe dual nationals,
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They need to go as well.
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That's where maybe it gets a little bit murky.
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Have we got the spunk?
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I'll be completely honest with you.
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No, i'm sorry, i don't think we have got the.
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But we need something big needs to happen.
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Millions upon millions need to go.
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And,
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I don't think people are prepared for it,
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Because, as you see in the united states,
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You get into the weeds of it.
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You start doing what needs to be done, and people bottle it.
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They get scared.
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Yeah.
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We're at, about 3000 to 3500 arrests a day
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In the united states.
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Getting them the heck out.
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Ben leo, gb news. thank you. sir.
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Ben leo, gb news. thank you. sir.
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We've got a special guest
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In studio, and that is doctor joe boot.
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He's british.
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We've got two brits on the show in one day.
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I don't know, i think that's.
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You got to be careful with that.
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We've seen what's happening with britain.
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Yeah, i think that's a that's against our rules here.
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But we wanted to have you on.
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And because you are,
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Going to be part of our freedom night,
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Which is a tradition that charlie himself started.
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Now, pastor lucas miles, who runs tpo,
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Say faith has taken it over, and he's done an amazing job.
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And you guys are going to be meeting tonight
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Having having a conversation here in phoenix.
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So welcome to phoenix.
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Thank you. it's great to be here. it's warm.
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It is warm. yeah.
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You know it's interesting.
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It was kind of a normal
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Temperature like up until like three days ago.
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And i'm told that now.
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Now begins the suck. yeah.
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Now begins the, the the the hot months of the summer,
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Which i actually really love.
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It's great pool weather if you're into it.
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But, a lot of people end up
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Leaving town for, for cooler climes.
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But tell us, what are you going to talk about tonight?
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Well, i think, to some degree,
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That will be up to lucas directing the questions.
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What lucas ask you.
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But i think we'll be talking a bit about,
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What is it that really, lies at the root of nationhood?
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And, you know, this whole tension
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We're in right now,
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I think
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Both in europe, in britain and in the united states, around
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What is it that, constitutes a nation?
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Is there a religious root to nationhood?
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Is it is it purely an ethnic or,
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Historical root?
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Is it really propositional? is it made?
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This is a big conversation that's going on.
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What what really makes britain or america or,
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What constitutes,
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What lies at the foundation of
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Of our unity
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Or what do you believe lies the truth foundation?
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Well, i think biblically from a,
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From a christian standpoint, i'm a christian apologist.
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So i actually think that it's god's covenant
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That lies at the foundation of nation.
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And if you want to look at what, what, what a nation is,
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I think the best example is going to scripture and,
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And actually asking, well,
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When god constituted a nation, how did he do it?
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Yeah. well, so how did he do it?
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Well, he called out a people, out of egypt.
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And, the scripture says they left a mixed multitude.
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The hebrews left egypt a mixed multitude.
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In fact, interesting.
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Joseph was married to an egyptian.
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So two tribes of israel,
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Ephraim and manasa, were half and half african.
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Not hebrew.
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And of course,
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The people
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Pick up along the way various famous gentiles like rahab
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And so on, who end up in the genealogy of christ.
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So what really constituted israel
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As a people was faith and covenant.
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Not, skin tone,
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Or even, ethnic background.
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I mean,
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Even abraham at eight sons, but only one was the child
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Of promise.
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So what constituted them was, was their religious worldview
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And their agreement with god, their covenant with god,
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Their oath, in a sense, and that's
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What lies at the root of of the british nation,
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That the
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The coronation oath of 1688 and of course, the presidential
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Oath of office, which used to be taken on
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An open bible to the covenant in deuteronomy 27 and 28.
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Well, it kind of reminds me of that
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Famous line from ruth, right where, ruth says,
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You know, do not urged me to leave you
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Or to return from following you for where you go i will go
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And where you lodge, i will lodge.
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Your people shall be my people and your god, my god.
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And that kind of brings up this idea of assimilation to me.
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Right? you see this?
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We were just talking in our one about this
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Henry novak story that's so tragic.
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You know, british lad, as you guys say, 18
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Years old, stabbed multiple times.
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The police cuff him.
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Not his murderer. yes.
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And now there's
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A lot of tension going on, because i think a lot of brits
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Who feel like they've had enough
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Of feeling like second class citizens in their own country.
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So you guys got a huge assimilation issue.
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Just like we have in the united states now.
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And it's getting
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Bigger and larger and probably more problematic.
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So what do you say as a christian,
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As an apologist, your book, a mission of god, by the way?
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It's it's the subtitle
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I think is really apt a manifesto of hope for society.
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What's your message of hope for the british society?
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That's going through this ethnic
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And racial strife right now?
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Well, our problem is that we've abandoned the foundation
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Of our of our nationhood, which was christian commitment.
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It was there,
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As you know, in in the uk, there's a soft establishment,
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The, the coronation oath commits the head of state
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To the advancement of the law and gospel of christ.
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But we've, the church itself, not just the,
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The church of england, but the church is across the board
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Of essentially abandoned the idea of a christian nation.
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Well, by the way, the eu, when it was chartered,
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I believe there was a wrestle over
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Whether or not to say
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The christian christianity or christendom.
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And they opted out.
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Yeah, they left it
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Out of the eu charter, which to me is just.
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Yeah, it says it all says it.
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It does say it all.
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And that's our problem
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With, with assimilation, you see a culture
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That is confident and committed, and has
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It has a strong faith, is able to assimilate
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Small numbers of people gradually. oh, yeah.
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And this is how israel did it.
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Of course, it was very small.
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And people had to if you look at,
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What god's law has to say about all of this,
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They had to participate in the covenantal celebrations.
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There was a long process to, assimilation
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Into the community didn't just happen overnight.
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There were certain requirements that had to be met.
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We've abandoned all of that.
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It's not just illegal migration that's destroying the the
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The the fabric of the country.
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It's the mass.
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Yeah, it's the mass legal migration
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From cultures that do not share
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Our fundamental religious commitment.
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Obviously, we know it's not simply a case of skin color.
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Look at the conflict between the democrats and the
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And the republicans.
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It's not a conflict over skin.
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And pete buttigieg don't share much in common,
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Even though we share a skin exactly.
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Yeah, but i'm a little darker than him.
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But this the religious root, it's the worldview issue
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And the multiculturalism of not understood
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That you cannot have more than one god
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And more than one law governing a man man.
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Okay, so ben was talking about how maybe the uk
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Is going to get its mojo back.
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He was he actually wasn't that optimistic.
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Well but he's not
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Optimistic about deportations which i genuinely think, you
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Know, the uk has been invaded, america has been invaded.
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You know, we're arresting upwards of 3000, 30, 500,
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Illegals every day, which is a big number.
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When you tallied all together.
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What do you think?
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I mean, you're not a policy wonk.
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I don't want to ask you
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About necessarily that, but the point is, you know
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What must be done to correct.
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Yeah. the problem.
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Well, it's a bottom up and a top down.
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And, the we've got it's almost like the perfect storm
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Of difficulties.
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So we've got a culture that's been abandoning the faith.
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We've got families collapsing and in freefall.
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We've got a demographic crisis,
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What we would call a demographic winter.
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We don't have enough children.
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We're not having babies because we've destroyed the family.
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We've got a coalition for it ability issues.
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Right.
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And we've got a coalition of the marxist left
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And the islamists who have come together in this,
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A hostility to to our culture and civilization. so,
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So there needs to be grassroots renewal of the family,
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Fundamentally,
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Which requires religious worldview,
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Renovation in the sense, and at the same time
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That that the surface level and has to be done,
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We've got, as you know, these rape gangs
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Running that have been, you know, in major, you've got ten
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Mayors of major cities are muslim in the uk.
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So, you know, there's this kind of suicide attempt
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Where i'm, i'm dani. so yeah.
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So if you want to hear more from doctor joe, but i mean,
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We could talk for an hour.
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It's already apparent to me, founder and president,
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The ezra institute and, ezra institute.com.
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If you want to check out his stuff.
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God bless you, doctor joe boot, another brit, the second brit
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And it█s against our rules.
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But we'll make an exception.
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The show is improving
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Probably.
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Ben Leo & Dr. Joe Boot: June 04, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today

June 4, 2026 | 23:27

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