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  • Brought to you in part by the
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  • International fellowship of christians and jews.
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  • When in the course of human events,
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  • It becomes necessary
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  • For one people to dissolve the political bands
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  • Which have connected them with another,
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  • And to assume among the powers of the earth,
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  • The separate and equal station
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  • In which the laws of nature and nature's god entitle them.
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  • A decent respect to the opinions of mankind
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  • Requires that they should declare
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  • The causes which impel them to separation.
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  • We hold these truths to be self-evident,
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  • That all men are created equal, that they are endowed
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  • By their creator
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  • With certain unalienable rights, that among
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  • These are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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  • That to secure these rights, governments are instituted
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  • Among men, deriving their just powers from the consent
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  • Of the governed, that whenever any form of government
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  • Becomes destructive to these ends of these ends,
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  • It is the right of the people to alter or abolish it
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  • And to institute a new government,
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  • Laying its foundation on such principles.
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  • Organizing its powers in such form as them shall seem
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  • Most likely to affect their safety and happiness.
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  • That is the beginning of our birth certificate.
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  • That is our birth day, july 4th, 1776.
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  • That is the declaration of independence.
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  • Now you read this,
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  • Articulated by thomas jefferson and the american founders,
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  • Is a theory and an
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  • Understanding of natural rights and government.
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  • This is very simple elementary stuff said differently.
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  • Our rights come from god, not from government.
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  • It makes our country unique.
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  • What are natural rights?
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  • Natural rights are basic freedoms
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  • We are born with because we are human,
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  • The first of which is life,
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  • Then liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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  • You do not earn them and no government gives them to you.
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  • They are built in.
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  • Everybody what you're about to listen to
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  • Is exhibit a of evidence that the democrat party
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  • Represents a country not called america.
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  • The democrat party,
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  • They believe in a country
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  • That is not this country.
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  • Tim kaine
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  • Oh, what he says here,
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  • If what he says is true,
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  • Then what we are is no different than china.
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  • If what he says is true,
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  • We are no different than north korean.
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  • Chinese people have rights.
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  • They are just granted or denied by their government.
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  • We are leading with this today
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  • Because this is without a doubt
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  • One of the most important chilling clips ever.
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  • And it's not even about making fun of him.
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  • This shows
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  • That we are up against an existential, parasitic force
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  • That does not even share our simple birth certificate.
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  • They have a different birth certificate for america
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  • And it's not the declaration of independence.
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  • Here is tim kaine play cut 342.
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  • Notion that rights don't come from laws
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  • And don't come from the government,
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  • But come from the creator.
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  • That's what the iranian government believes.
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  • It's a theocratic regime that bases its rule on shia law
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  • And targets sunnis behind
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  • Jews, christians and other religious minorities.
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  • And they do it because they believe
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  • That they understand what natural rights
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  • Are from their creator.
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  • So the statement that
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  • Our rights do not come from our laws or
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  • Our governments is extremely troubling.
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  • He believes the government gives you rights, that laws
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  • Give you rights.
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  • That's why he's okay with aborting babies.
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  • Because those humans have no rights.
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  • Because the government hasn't given those rights to him.
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  • That's that's why he's fine with mutilating kids
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  • And trans surgeries,
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  • Because those kids have no rights,
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  • Because the government hasn't given those rights.
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  • Yeah, he's fine with potentially gulags
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  • Because the government, there's nothing wrong with mass
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  • Murdering people in gulags
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  • Because the government didn't give those rights to them.
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  • The government decided not to give them those rights.
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  • And someone should ask tim kaine, tim kaine,
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  • We're not even gonna use the holocaust example
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  • Because that one is overused.
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  • Was mao wrong
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  • To mass murder millions of people?
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  • The government decided not to give those people rights.
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  • We believe in something transcendent above government.
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  • That government appeals towards government's job
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  • Is to protect our unalienable rights that we were born with,
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  • That every human being is born with
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  • Our rights coming from god makes them inalienable
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  • Because they are rooted in the equal,
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  • God given dignity shared by all human beings.
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  • This is a inarguable spiritual element to our nation.
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  • Some people say, oh, tim kaine is kind of dumb.
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  • Obviously he is.
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  • He went to harvard, but that means absolutely nothing.
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  • But it's worse than that. he didn't come up with this.
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  • He is simply a mockingbird parroting
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  • Something that is infected the democrat party.
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  • They don't think we have inalienable rights.
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  • They think there's nothing speci
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  • If rights come
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  • From the government, the government
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  • Can take them away whenever they want.
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  • They can take away your right
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  • To speech and yes, your right to life.
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  • They can drone strike you whenever you want.
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  • This is why america's unique.
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  • Let me repeat again all men are created
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  • Equal, endowed by their creator
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  • With certain unalienable rights.
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  • This is why we are a refuge for liberty.
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  • The founders tied our freedom to something higher
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  • Than politics.
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  • Tim kaine.
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  • Acts as if our rights are like
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  • A driver's license.
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  • Driver's licenses can be given, suspended or revoked.
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  • That's what god got.
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  • Government given rights look like government
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  • Given rights are like driver's licenses.
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  • We believe that natural rights
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  • Are your birthright.
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  • You don't apply for them.
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  • They're yours by birth.
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  • It's because you're human.
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  • If tim kaine is, if tim kane is right, stalin was justified.
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  • Hitler was justified.
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  • Mao was justified.
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  • Maduro is justified.
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  • Rights aren't favors from politicians.
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  • Government does not give you freedom.
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  • It protects the freedom you already have
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  • Because you are a human being made in the image of god.
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  • And the natural law dictates that
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  • If government can give them to, you could take them away.
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  • That's not freedom.
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  • These are not privileges, is not preferences.
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  • There's something special about being a human being,
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  • And that is not just some local yokel.
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  • That's not just some sort of person on college campus.
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  • That is a u.s.
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  • Senator who almost became vice
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  • President of united states in 2016,
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  • That that yammering fool was inches away.
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  • He was 40,000 votes away from becoming
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  • The vice president of states under hillary clinton.
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  • So this is an existential issue and a little window
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  • Into what we're fighting against.
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  • This is more
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  • Than just a difference of opinion.
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  • It's a difference of birth. right.
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  • We'll be right back.
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  • In genesis
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  • 12 three, god made a powerful promise
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  • To abraham, the father of the jewish people.
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  • I will bless those who bless you.
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  • The christian bible tells us
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  • That we have been grafted into god's family tree.
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  • The rich olive tree of israel,
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  • The very foundations of the christian faith,
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  • The bible and jesus, whom christians call
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  • The messiah, are deeply rooted in israel.
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  • Supporting israel aligns christians with god's
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  • Prophetic timeline.
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  • It demonstrates our willingness to be instruments of
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  • God's blessing, uplifting his chosen people,
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  • And it calls us to confront and heal
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  • The centuries old wounds of anti-semitism.
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  • The scripture says how good and how
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  • Pleasant it is when brethren dwell together.
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  • You can be part of this historic movement
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  • Of bringing light to our world.
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  • Learn more by going to ifc.
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  • J.org today.
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  • J.org today.
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  • So last night on cnn, the only time i ever watch
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  • Cnn is when they mention me or scott jennings
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  • Own somebody.
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  • So van jones, who's actually a very pleasant person, he's
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  • Actually the nicest communist i ever met. my life.
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  • And he's very sweet.
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  • I met him, during one of my things
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  • I shouldn't have been doing, which was advocating for
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  • Prison reform, is i'm atoning for my sins.
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  • Everybody okay?
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  • Anyway, so.
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  • So van jones
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  • Was talking about me, and there's so much
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  • There's so many lies involved in what he said here.
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  • First of all, i never said the first album and what he said.
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  • I did say the second part, but this is a very
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  • Important thing to focus on.
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  • So van jones is saying i should be ashamed of myself.
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  • And just reminder, the murder of arenas, the roots.
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  • Scott, did you know that the attacker
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  • Said, quote, i got that white girl.
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  • The attacker racialized this.
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  • Just for the record.
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  • Now, mind you, do you notice that the media
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  • All of a sudden tries to play the moral high ground
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  • When we start to try to make them
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  • Live up to the standard that they created
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  • And the construct that they forced
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  • And the paradigm that they constituted
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  • Under george floyd,
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  • The moment that we make them
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  • Have to live up to their own standard,
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  • They start to cry foul.
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  • As soon as we start to make them
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  • Live up to the george floyd standard.
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  • Oh, what is charlie kirk rationalizing this?
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  • And by the way, van jones also has a major
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  • Lie embedded into this whole thing.
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  • Listen carefully.
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  • Race hustler, marxist van jones, by the way, van,
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  • You're welcome on my program. i'll treat you well.
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  • I will give you an uninterrupted
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  • Opening statement.
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  • Van jones, if you want to go talk
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  • About black crime and urban decay, man,
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  • You're always welcome on this program.
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  • Because even though, quote unquote,
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  • You're an expert in race hustling,
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  • I'm going around the block a couple times. i.
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  • I know your tricks, and they don't work here.
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  • Your magical spells don't work here.
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  • You're a little hocus pocus.
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  • You are racist.
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  • Doesn't work here.
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  • We got holy water here.
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  • Play got 351 charlie kirk to say we know he did it
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  • Because she's white
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  • When there's no evidence of that is just pure race.
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  • Race mongering, hate mongering.
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  • It's wrong that he says that if something like
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  • That had happened the other way,
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  • There would be sweeping changes imposed on society.
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  • Where is the george floyd policing act?
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  • It didn't pass even when you had a white
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  • Police officer murder a black man on live television.
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  • The whole world saw there were no sweeping changes.
  • 00:10:54.644 --> 00:10:56.847
  • In fact,
  • 00:10:56.847 --> 00:10:57.814
  • Not one law was passed at the federal level
  • 00:10:57.814 --> 00:10:59.449
  • That we don't know how to deal with people who were hurting
  • 00:10:59.449 --> 00:11:02.385
  • In the way this man was hurting.
  • 00:11:02.385 --> 00:11:03.720
  • Hurt people, hurt people.
  • 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:04.788
  • What happened was horrible. some like charlie kirk,
  • 00:11:04.788 --> 00:11:07.224
  • He should be ashamed of himself.
  • 00:11:07.224 --> 00:11:09.059
  • No one mentioned the word
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  • Race white, black or anything except him.
  • 00:11:10.127 --> 00:11:12.896
  • When keith
  • 00:11:13.196 --> 00:11:14.331
  • Ellison, the attorney general of minnesota, was asked
  • 00:11:14.331 --> 00:11:16.566
  • Repeatedly by the media, was there racial animus
  • 00:11:16.566 --> 00:11:19.336
  • Involved in derek chauvin's actions against george floyd?
  • 00:11:19.336 --> 00:11:22.239
  • He said no, and they dodged the question.
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  • Do you know
  • 00:11:24.074 --> 00:11:25.308
  • That there is no evidence that derek chauvin acted racially?
  • 00:11:25.308 --> 00:11:27.444
  • If you think derek chauvin
  • 00:11:27.444 --> 00:11:28.712
  • Acted racially, then you're racist.
  • 00:11:28.712 --> 00:11:30.514
  • Then parting racial type
  • 00:11:30.514 --> 00:11:32.315
  • Fantasies and mythologies into a situation of which
  • 00:11:32.315 --> 00:11:35.252
  • He doesn't exist.
  • 00:11:35.252 --> 00:11:36.219
  • And by the way, just if you're taking notes,
  • 00:11:36.219 --> 00:11:37.087
  • Media matters, george floyd overdosed.
  • 00:11:37.087 --> 00:11:39.389
  • Okay, you can write that down.
  • 00:11:39.389 --> 00:11:40.524
  • Take to the bank.
  • 00:11:40.524 --> 00:11:40.991
  • In fact,
  • 00:11:40.991 --> 00:11:41.691
  • We have ben shapiro coming up
  • 00:11:41.691 --> 00:11:43.260
  • Next segment of which i'm going to have him remind us
  • 00:11:43.260 --> 00:11:46.163
  • Of all the facts. anyway, that's
  • 00:11:46.163 --> 00:11:48.765
  • Here is the tweet that i sent out.
  • 00:11:49.499 --> 00:11:51.268
  • Quote, if a random white person simply walked up to
  • 00:11:51.268 --> 00:11:54.404
  • And stabbed a nice, law abiding black person for no reason,
  • 00:11:54.404 --> 00:11:57.674
  • It would be an apocalyptic,
  • 00:11:57.674 --> 00:11:59.075
  • Huge national story used to impose national,
  • 00:11:59.075 --> 00:12:01.411
  • Sweeping political changes on the whole country.
  • 00:12:01.411 --> 00:12:03.613
  • Of course this is true.
  • 00:12:03.613 --> 00:12:05.282
  • Everybody know this is true.
  • 00:12:05.282 --> 00:12:07.484
  • Our media thirst for stories like this.
  • 00:12:07.484 --> 00:12:09.553
  • I want you to imagine if a white guy sitting on a bus
  • 00:12:09.553 --> 00:12:12.455
  • And a black woman just on her phone,
  • 00:12:12.455 --> 00:12:14.124
  • All of a sudden the white guy took out a knife
  • 00:12:14.124 --> 00:12:16.760
  • And just stabbed her in the neck repeatedly.
  • 00:12:16.760 --> 00:12:19.496
  • How do you think our media would react?
  • 00:12:19.496 --> 00:12:21.832
  • We would have protest.
  • 00:12:21.832 --> 00:12:23.099
  • Wendy's would have point.
  • 00:12:23.099 --> 00:12:24.434
  • I'll tell you right now,
  • 00:12:24.434 --> 00:12:25.869
  • There would be 100 burned wendy's around the world.
  • 00:12:25.869 --> 00:12:28.939
  • I mean, in every city,
  • 00:12:28.939 --> 00:12:30.640
  • I mean, it would be so hot on top,
  • 00:12:30.640 --> 00:12:32.209
  • They'd start burning the denny's.
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  • They use
  • 00:12:35.345 --> 00:12:36.313
  • Emmett till 70 years later because of this,
  • 00:12:36.313 --> 00:12:38.648
  • Because it's a case of a horrifying murder
  • 00:12:38.648 --> 00:12:40.584
  • Of an innocent black person by hate for whites.
  • 00:12:40.584 --> 00:12:42.819
  • It's so rare they to go back 70 years.
  • 00:12:42.819 --> 00:12:44.754
  • But you know what?
  • 00:12:44.754 --> 00:12:45.755
  • When a
  • 00:12:45.755 --> 00:12:46.957
  • White person is murdered, we don't burn down the country.
  • 00:12:46.957 --> 00:12:49.793
  • But when george floyd overdosed on drugs,
  • 00:12:49.793 --> 00:12:52.395
  • It's floyd a palooza.
  • 00:12:52.395 --> 00:12:54.564
  • But for the opposite, we have to go back one day.
  • 00:12:54.564 --> 00:12:57.167
  • Literally. there was another,
  • 00:12:57.167 --> 00:12:58.435
  • You know, several happened this last week.
  • 00:12:58.435 --> 00:13:00.503
  • Another white girl
  • 00:13:00.503 --> 00:13:02.105
  • Was just murdered by a black person in alabama.
  • 00:13:02.105 --> 00:13:05.408
  • A woman butchered walking her dog.
  • 00:13:05.408 --> 00:13:07.244
  • There was also one that happened in south carolina
  • 00:13:07.244 --> 00:13:09.346
  • And one that happened in virginia.
  • 00:13:09.346 --> 00:13:10.947
  • That is for white women in the american south
  • 00:13:10.947 --> 00:13:13.016
  • That just recently were butchered by black criminals.
  • 00:13:13.016 --> 00:13:18.655
  • So we take a step
  • 00:13:19.089 --> 00:13:20.156
  • Back and say, well, what's really going on here?
  • 00:13:20.156 --> 00:13:22.726
  • What's really going on here is a situation
  • 00:13:22.726 --> 00:13:25.495
  • Where van jones is acting like, if i said something
  • 00:13:25.495 --> 00:13:27.998
  • I did not say, when in reality we're asking a very simple
  • 00:13:27.998 --> 00:13:31.735
  • Question, mr. jones.
  • 00:13:31.735 --> 00:13:32.669
  • Very simple question, which is
  • 00:13:32.669 --> 00:13:35.538
  • Will you apologize for all the criminal justice
  • 00:13:36.506 --> 00:13:38.808
  • Reform that you pushed forward that allowed these 14 time
  • 00:13:38.808 --> 00:13:41.845
  • Criminal offenders to walk the streets
  • 00:13:41.845 --> 00:13:43.647
  • Because you are the architect and the designer
  • 00:13:43.647 --> 00:13:45.949
  • Of constantly feeling bad for the criminal
  • 00:13:45.949 --> 00:13:48.318
  • That then can kill more people like arenas or root.
  • 00:13:48.318 --> 00:13:51.154
  • Scott.
  • 00:13:51.154 --> 00:13:52.522
  • And by the way, i did not bring up race.
  • 00:13:52.522 --> 00:13:54.257
  • The attacker said, quote, i got that white girl, end
  • 00:13:54.257 --> 00:13:57.761
  • Quote. people say, why does the race matter?
  • 00:13:57.761 --> 00:13:59.696
  • Oh, it matters
  • 00:13:59.696 --> 00:14:00.897
  • Because you made us care about race in the summer of 2020.
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  • Looks like you guys live up to the book of your own rules.
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  • The second that we make you live up
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  • To your ridiculous paradigm, you collapse
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  • Congratulations
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  • Ben on the new book, the true story of america.
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  • And we will get to that, in great detail.
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  • I want everyone to check it out.
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  • It's lions and scavengers.
  • 00:15:34.658 --> 00:15:36.727
  • Ben, the previous segment, i was refuting mr.
  • 00:15:36.727 --> 00:15:39.697
  • Van jones
  • 00:15:39.697 --> 00:15:40.498
  • On a variety of different things
  • 00:15:40.498 --> 00:15:41.399
  • Because he decided to attack me on cnn.
  • 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.134
  • But i want to.
  • 00:15:43.134 --> 00:15:43.768
  • You've done
  • 00:15:43.768 --> 00:15:44.902
  • Really important work on george floyd's cause of death.
  • 00:15:44.902 --> 00:15:47.538
  • Can you remind the audience
  • 00:15:47.538 --> 00:15:49.040
  • What your study in your research
  • 00:15:49.040 --> 00:15:50.708
  • Showed about george floyd overdosing on drugs?
  • 00:15:50.708 --> 00:15:53.878
  • Sure. i mean, it was basically just the autopsy report.
  • 00:15:53.878 --> 00:15:55.846
  • I mean, the autopsy report showed that
  • 00:15:55.846 --> 00:15:57.148
  • He had a massively enlarged heart,
  • 00:15:57.148 --> 00:15:59.283
  • That he had extraordinary quantities of drugs,
  • 00:15:59.283 --> 00:16:01.285
  • Including fentanyl in his system and fentanyl
  • 00:16:01.285 --> 00:16:03.020
  • To kill a normal person multiple times over.
  • 00:16:03.020 --> 00:16:06.023
  • The medical evidence does not suggest that he actually died
  • 00:16:06.023 --> 00:16:08.125
  • As a result of derek chauvin's knee on his neck.
  • 00:16:08.125 --> 00:16:09.994
  • It suggests that he died as a result of probably excited
  • 00:16:09.994 --> 00:16:12.696
  • Delirium, meaning elevated heart rate as a result of both
  • 00:16:12.696 --> 00:16:15.666
  • Ingesting drugs, enlarged heart,
  • 00:16:15.666 --> 00:16:17.701
  • And the excitement of being arrested.
  • 00:16:17.701 --> 00:16:19.570
  • Well,
  • 00:16:19.570 --> 00:16:20.471
  • And on top of that, they also say that
  • 00:16:20.471 --> 00:16:21.705
  • This was racially motivated.
  • 00:16:21.705 --> 00:16:23.407
  • Is there any evidence at all
  • 00:16:23.407 --> 00:16:24.642
  • That there was racial animus in this situation?
  • 00:16:24.642 --> 00:16:26.844
  • So van jones said it was obviously a racial thing.
  • 00:16:26.844 --> 00:16:29.413
  • Hold on.
  • 00:16:29.413 --> 00:16:30.281
  • If you're you're actually imparting
  • 00:16:30.281 --> 00:16:31.182
  • Your own racial stereotypes
  • 00:16:31.182 --> 00:16:32.650
  • Onto a situation in which even keith ellison,
  • 00:16:32.650 --> 00:16:34.919
  • The attorney general of minnesota, rejected
  • 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:37.188
  • The claim that race was involved in this,
  • 00:16:37.188 --> 00:16:38.956
  • Is that correct?
  • 00:16:38.956 --> 00:16:40.057
  • This is exactly right.
  • 00:16:40.057 --> 00:16:40.991
  • I mean,
  • 00:16:40.991 --> 00:16:41.926
  • There was a federal civil rights charge
  • 00:16:41.926 --> 00:16:42.793
  • That was brought against derek chauvin,
  • 00:16:42.793 --> 00:16:43.994
  • And it did not even allege
  • 00:16:43.994 --> 00:16:45.463
  • That there was a violation
  • 00:16:45.463 --> 00:16:46.430
  • Of civil rights on the basis of race.
  • 00:16:46.430 --> 00:16:47.698
  • So literally no one not the prosecutors, state,
  • 00:16:47.698 --> 00:16:49.633
  • Not the prosecutors, federal
  • 00:16:49.633 --> 00:16:50.468
  • No one made the actual legal claim
  • 00:16:50.468 --> 00:16:53.170
  • That the actions of derek chauvin were rooted in racism.
  • 00:16:53.170 --> 00:16:55.539
  • The best available criminal case against derek
  • 00:16:55.539 --> 00:16:57.341
  • Chauvin would have been like a a low degree manslaughter case
  • 00:16:57.341 --> 00:17:00.778
  • For negligence in his handling of the actual situation.
  • 00:17:00.778 --> 00:17:03.747
  • Literally zero evidence was provided to the idea
  • 00:17:03.747 --> 00:17:06.317
  • That derek chauvin
  • 00:17:06.317 --> 00:17:07.451
  • Killed george floyd because george floyd was black.
  • 00:17:07.451 --> 00:17:10.321
  • That just was not. and it wasn't even alleged.
  • 00:17:10.321 --> 00:17:12.756
  • Ben, tell us about your important new book.
  • 00:17:12.756 --> 00:17:15.126
  • So the basic idea in lions and scavengers
  • 00:17:15.126 --> 00:17:17.061
  • Is that inside every human heart.
  • 00:17:17.061 --> 00:17:18.262
  • And this goes back to the book of genesis,
  • 00:17:18.262 --> 00:17:19.530
  • That there really is the beautiful part of you
  • 00:17:19.530 --> 00:17:22.533
  • That wants to engage in what god made for you.
  • 00:17:22.533 --> 00:17:25.302
  • That is this incredible
  • 00:17:25.302 --> 00:17:26.504
  • Rationalistic world
  • 00:17:26.504 --> 00:17:27.838
  • In which you can mostly understand what's going
  • 00:17:27.838 --> 00:17:29.273
  • On, and you have a duty to do the moral thing.
  • 00:17:29.273 --> 00:17:31.075
  • You get up every morning, you try to build something,
  • 00:17:31.075 --> 00:17:32.676
  • You try to be innovative and risk taking you.
  • 00:17:32.676 --> 00:17:34.645
  • You try to defend your civilization.
  • 00:17:34.645 --> 00:17:36.113
  • You you try to build the social fabric.
  • 00:17:36.113 --> 00:17:38.082
  • And then there is a part of us that is driven by envy,
  • 00:17:38.082 --> 00:17:40.751
  • And that part of us just looks at our problems
  • 00:17:40.751 --> 00:17:42.686
  • And immediately attributes it
  • 00:17:42.686 --> 00:17:43.854
  • To some shadowy force outside of our control,
  • 00:17:43.854 --> 00:17:46.090
  • And tries to rip down the very systems
  • 00:17:46.090 --> 00:17:48.058
  • That actually provide prosperity, tries
  • 00:17:48.058 --> 00:17:50.027
  • To rip down the lions out of pure envy here.
  • 00:17:50.027 --> 00:17:52.129
  • Think zorn, mamdani,
  • 00:17:52.129 --> 00:17:53.397
  • And you know that that exists in all of us,
  • 00:17:53.397 --> 00:17:55.399
  • But it exists civilization as well.
  • 00:17:55.399 --> 00:17:56.967
  • And when you look
  • 00:17:56.967 --> 00:17:58.002
  • At the sort of activities that were taking place
  • 00:17:58.002 --> 00:17:59.737
  • On college campus last year,
  • 00:17:59.737 --> 00:18:01.472
  • And you see the weird agglomeration of causes
  • 00:18:01.472 --> 00:18:04.408
  • That all come together under varying banners,
  • 00:18:04.408 --> 00:18:06.143
  • Sometimes it's hating president trump over immigration,
  • 00:18:06.143 --> 00:18:08.345
  • Sometimes it's on israel, sometimes it's on lgbt,
  • 00:18:08.345 --> 00:18:10.814
  • But it's the same exact people
  • 00:18:10.814 --> 00:18:12.082
  • All marching together. and you wonder yourself,
  • 00:18:12.082 --> 00:18:13.984
  • What do these people have in common?
  • 00:18:13.984 --> 00:18:15.653
  • And the answer is pretty much nothing.
  • 00:18:15.653 --> 00:18:17.354
  • Except they really, really don't like our civilization
  • 00:18:17.354 --> 00:18:19.623
  • And see the fundamental basis of our civilization
  • 00:18:19.623 --> 00:18:22.593
  • As evil and wrong, and believe that it needs to be torn out
  • 00:18:22.593 --> 00:18:26.163
  • By the root.
  • 00:18:26.163 --> 00:18:26.830
  • This is,
  • 00:18:26.830 --> 00:18:27.965
  • To take the most obvious example, queers for palestine.
  • 00:18:27.965 --> 00:18:29.900
  • Everyone puzzling over what the hell is that? right?
  • 00:18:29.900 --> 00:18:31.936
  • Queers in palestine get thrown up, thrown off buildings.
  • 00:18:31.936 --> 00:18:34.572
  • So what is the answer is that the radical lgbtq group
  • 00:18:34.572 --> 00:18:37.908
  • Doesn't have much in common with the group,
  • 00:18:37.908 --> 00:18:40.044
  • Except that both really, really hate the west and believe
  • 00:18:40.044 --> 00:18:42.513
  • That the traditional values of our civilization
  • 00:18:42.513 --> 00:18:44.582
  • Need to be destroyed in order so that they can live more
  • 00:18:44.582 --> 00:18:48.686
  • Fulfilling lives in some way.
  • 00:18:48.686 --> 00:18:50.421
  • So write, you write in here
  • 00:18:50.421 --> 00:18:52.523
  • Lions and scavengers saying it's the true story of america.
  • 00:18:52.523 --> 00:18:56.093
  • And you, you seek to defend the principles that shape
  • 00:18:56.093 --> 00:18:59.463
  • Freedom of a fair and powerful society.
  • 00:18:59.463 --> 00:19:02.366
  • We would imagine those emanate from the bible.
  • 00:19:02.366 --> 00:19:05.069
  • Obviously.
  • 00:19:05.069 --> 00:19:06.237
  • And is islam compatible with our civilization?
  • 00:19:06.237 --> 00:19:10.407
  • Would you put them
  • 00:19:10.407 --> 00:19:11.742
  • And would you put them in the scavenger category?
  • 00:19:11.742 --> 00:19:15.879
  • I certainly think that in the islamic civilizations
  • 00:19:15.879 --> 00:19:18.816
  • That we're seeing contemporaneously
  • 00:19:18.816 --> 00:19:20.284
  • On the globe, it's very hard to see how that fits
  • 00:19:20.284 --> 00:19:22.519
  • In sort of the lion category.
  • 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:23.721
  • It doesn't mean that there aren't individual muslims
  • 00:19:23.721 --> 00:19:25.522
  • Who fit in that category, or that there can't be
  • 00:19:25.522 --> 00:19:27.725
  • A sort of interpreted version of islam that that couldn't
  • 00:19:27.725 --> 00:19:30.461
  • Fit into the idea of a god given world
  • 00:19:30.461 --> 00:19:33.631
  • In which you have duties
  • 00:19:33.631 --> 00:19:34.765
  • And creative power in line with the kind of general,
  • 00:19:34.765 --> 00:19:37.768
  • Very broad principles of biblical morality.
  • 00:19:37.768 --> 00:19:39.670
  • But but i think the proof is in the pudding.
  • 00:19:39.670 --> 00:19:41.872
  • You're not seeing a lot of
  • 00:19:41.872 --> 00:19:42.873
  • Islamic countries on planet earth right now
  • 00:19:42.873 --> 00:19:44.642
  • That live by any of the
  • 00:19:44.642 --> 00:19:45.609
  • Fundamental principles like freedom of mind,
  • 00:19:45.609 --> 00:19:47.444
  • Private property,
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  • Equal rule of law, applying to all citizens,
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  • And traditional virtue.
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  • What would you say
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  • Is the missing component for those of us in the west
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  • To stand up against these forces?
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  • What would you say?
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  • We're doing well, and that we need to do more of?
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  • I mean, i think that what we lack,
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  • And i think we're starting to see a restoration of it,
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  • Is the courage
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  • To actually stand up on our hind
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  • Legs and say, no, i think that good people tend
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  • To be introspective.
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  • We tend to think, okay, what did i do wrong?
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  • How do i fix that?
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  • We tend to apologize when we do something wrong.
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  • Bad people tend to take an apology
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  • And then grind your face into the dust over it.
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  • Because they're not engaged in guilt cultures.
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  • They're engaged in what are called
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  • Shame cultures, where the most important thing
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  • Is not to be made to feel shame,
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  • And it is to shame others.
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  • And so i think that we, you know, those of us
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  • Who consider ourselves part of western civilization,
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  • You know, we need to recognize
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  • That a constant self-abnegation,
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  • A constant attempt to tear ourselves down
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  • Out of a misguided sense of humility
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  • In the face of people who are happy to
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  • Just destroy our civilization from without and within.
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  • That is a gigantic mistake, and it is totally vain to say
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  • To people
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  • Who wish to destroy our civilization,
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  • Know your values suck and they don't belong here.
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  • Where does all this resentment come from?
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  • It comes from a wide variety of places,
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  • But it tends to come in general from a feeling of frustration
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  • And innovation.
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  • And so i think that that you can get that from people
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  • Who believe they have been marginalized.
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  • You can get that from people who believe they deserve more.
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  • You see it a lot, actually, with university students
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  • Who seem to believe that they deserve
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  • A $250,000 salary for a gender studies degree
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  • Because they've been taught that they ought
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  • To be getting more and then they don't get it,
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  • And then they're angry at their parents for
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  • For not having put them in a position to do that.
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  • And so they rebel against everything
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  • That they've been taught and or,
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  • And everything they haven't been taught.
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  • I also think it comes from a broad population.
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  • Very often you have people who grew up
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  • Without any sense of external threat,
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  • And they think that pretty much everything that's good in
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  • Life is the baseline, that that's just normal
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  • And that you can tear away everything without the baseline
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  • Falling away. that, of course, is just false.
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  • Some of that comes from ignorance.
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  • Some of it comes from envy.
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  • The reality is that gratitude as a as a characteristic
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  • Of human beings has to be cultivated.
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  • It's something you have to teach your kids gratitude.
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  • Envy is totally natural, right?
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  • Envy. envy is easy to do.
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  • You see?
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  • You see it with small children
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  • Right before, and it's very easy to see kids
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  • Envy each other and get on each other's kids.
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  • Being grateful for what they have is a very difficult thing.
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  • You have to teach your kids to say thank you.
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  • You don't have to teach your kids to say no.
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  • The book is lions and scavengers.
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  • Boy, that, that that feels like the whole story
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  • Of zoran mamdani, the resentful, envy driven,
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  • Bitter islamist who wants to be mayor of new york city.
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  • Ben, thank you for your time.
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  • And thanks for, going through all the questions
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  • On the very important topic today.
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  • Lions and scavengers is the book.
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  • Thanks so much, ben.
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  • Thanks, charlie.
  • 00:22:30.707 --> 00:22:33.444
  • Friends just across israel's border inside syria.
  • 00:22:33.444 --> 00:22:36.580
  • Entire christian and druze families have been slaughtered
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  • By islamic terrorists. it's shocking.
  • 00:22:40.150 --> 00:22:42.319
  • It's heartbreaking.
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  • And the international fellowship of christians
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  • And jews
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  • Is there on the ground,
  • 00:22:45.722 --> 00:22:46.890
  • Working hand in hand with israel and the idf to respond.
  • 00:22:46.890 --> 00:22:50.060
  • The fellowship has rushed in over 1500 emergency food boxes.
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  • They've opened
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  • A brand new medical clinic in a village that had none.
  • 00:22:55.265 --> 00:22:57.401
  • Truckloads of medical equipment
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  • And supplies went straight to hospitals
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  • Because the need is so desperate.
  • 00:23:00.604 --> 00:23:02.072
  • This is our faith in action.
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  • Israel is stopping the terrorists.
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  • Now it's on us christians and jews to care
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  • For the survivors,
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  • To pray for the persecuted,
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  • And to stand with them against evil.
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  • I'm asking you to join me in
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  • Standing with the international
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  • Fellowship of christians and jews, right now called ifrc.
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  • Jorg that is ifrc. jorg.
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  • We could meet terror with compassion.
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  • We can be part of bringing food, medical help
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  • And hope to christian and druze communities in syria
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  • Who need it most.
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