Donald Trump, Jr.: January 5, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today

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Charlie Kirk Today | Donald Trump, Jr.: January 5, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | January 5, 2026
  • Brought to you in part by the
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  • International fellowship of christians and jews.
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  • Thank you for making the time and,
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  • You know, making the time to come to amp fest, obviously,
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  • You know, it weighs heavy on all of us.
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  • This is our our first amp fest without charlie.
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  • You were one of charlie's, closest relationships friends.
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  • You guys spent a lot of time together in the early days,
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  • 2016, you know, on that campaign.
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  • So i just want to make
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  • This about charlie and tell you what, how
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  • The time you spent together, the memories you have of him.
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  • And so when i ask you, who's charlie kirk to don junior?
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  • Oh, man. wow.
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  • Listen, he's just so
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  • Honestly a generational talent.
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  • I think we've all probably heard the story of right now.
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  • You know already about how we met.
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  • I've, you know, said it many times.
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  • This guy is the smartest guy in politics.
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  • He knows everything.
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  • And i was like, okay,
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  • This is great because we don't know anything.
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  • You know, don't tell me more.
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  • Tell me more.
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  • You know, it's like, well, you know, he's 20 years old.
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  • I go, stop
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  • Just this just,
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  • You know, if there's one thing we had no shortage of,
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  • It was guys that didn't know anything.
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  • So i was like, there's no chance, you know,
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  • A 20 year old is like, we got plenty of that.
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  • We got plenty of people that don't know what they're doing.
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  • That's the only thing we don't have a shortage of.
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  • And he said, no, no, no, you got to you got to sit down.
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  • And, i remember charlie came up to my office.
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  • We met the first time in my office
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  • And trump tower back when that was the war room,
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  • And we sat down
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  • And in five minutes, i'm like, congratulations.
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  • Like, you're on the road with me.
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  • You know what he was able to accomplish,
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  • You know, in just 31 years is, you know, what would be,
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  • You know, a crowning achievement of someone's life
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  • That, you know, got to see it through, old age.
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  • He just did so much.
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  • He just knew there was a confidence there.
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  • There was an understanding there.
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  • He understood, politics.
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  • He understood washington.
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  • And, you know, most importantly,
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  • And this is what's,
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  • You know, generally lost with all of those people is,
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  • You know, he understood our people,
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  • And he genuinely cared.
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  • And i think that was the difference.
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  • I mean, i've always said sort of authenticity
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  • Is everything in politics.
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  • And, you know, if you're not real, if you're,
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  • You know, phoning it in, if you're fake, man,
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  • They smell you quickly and you just go nowhere.
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  • And so when you are real, it's a rarity, but it's
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  • Why you're able to do what he was able to accomplish.
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  • I have a question about, charlie's growth.
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  • Right. so you got to see him.
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  • 2016, 2025.
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  • How did he change?
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  • You know, honestly, he he didn't change that much.
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  • He just he was afforded more opportunities.
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  • You know, people,
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  • You know, started
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  • Giving him the same shot that perhaps i gave him early.
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  • You know, it took a little longer
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  • For them to sort of recognize that talent, i guess.
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  • But, he was just an absolute workhorse.
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  • He always got it.
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  • And i think that's what people, you know, miss.
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  • They're like, oh, he's he's great on stage with a mic.
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  • It's like, yeah, but then he gets off the stage
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  • And he's doing a podcast. then he's in there with donors.
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  • And i mean, the guy,
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  • Just worked harder than anyone else.
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  • And he was so passionate about it that it didn't matter.
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  • I mean, his energy, you know, was, you know, perhaps perhaps
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  • Second only to my father, who's,
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  • You know, also sort of a similar animal
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  • That really sleeps more than your dad does.
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  • Charlie. yeah.
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  • He was nobody even charlie, like a night guy.
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  • Yeah, i mean, but but he cared so much.
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  • I mean, he
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  • He took care of himself at an age where, you know,
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  • I mean, i used to, you know, you have dinner with charlie.
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  • You're like, you're eating,
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  • You know, grilled chicken and salad like that again.
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  • Like, you know, i'm like, you gotta let.
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  • Yeah.
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  • Occasionally.
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  • Hot sauce, a little, add a little spice.
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  • But, you know, he just knew that he was on a mission.
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  • And he was going to do whatever he could to
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  • To make sure he fulfilled that.
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  • Yeah.
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  • So, you know, charlie
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  • Doesn't get enough credit for being funny
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  • And how like how much fun he was behind closed doors.
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  • Blake knows as well blake was, traveling with charlie
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  • Internationally the last, couple of trips he took.
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  • You know, what are some things about charlie
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  • That you saw that
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  • You either want people to understand about him,
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  • Or that you just know the world didn't really get about him.
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  • Well, i mean, i think that's, that's certainly one of them.
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  • I mean, his humor,
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  • You know, again, for you, charlie, you know,
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  • Always kind of do like the prim and proper evangelical thing.
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  • And so like, that is totally not me.
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  • So i say all the stuff that maybe some are thinking
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  • But are unwilling to actually articulate.
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  • So, you know, you could put him
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  • In an uncomfortable position,
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  • But then he'd chime in and it was so,
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  • You know, for me, i do it all the time for him.
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  • When he chimed in on those kinds of things,
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  • It was like, whoa, you know, weird that come from, so,
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  • You know, it
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  • It was a it was just honestly,
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  • I guess, a, a generational talent.
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  • And so,
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  • You know, as part of this movement,
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  • You know, there's not one person,
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  • You know, that's going to replace charlie kirk.
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  • There's not one person that would be capable of doing that.
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  • But, you know, if we all sort of band together,
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  • If we all have that same, passion,
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  • Enthusiasm, energy, and try, you know,
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  • Maybe a few thousand of us can fill
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  • Those little percentage points and try to get to that
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  • 100 and keep this, keep the movement rolling.
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  • Can you tell us a bit about the relationship
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  • He developed with your dad as the president?
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  • And. yeah, as a candidate, too.
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  • Yeah.
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  • You know, my my father, he's a unique guy.
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  • He'll listen to everyone and he sort of weighs those things.
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  • I mean, i think how he was able to relate to,
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  • You know, regular
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  • Blue collar americans, people like, how is it possible
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  • You're some brash billionaire from new york?
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  • It's like, well, you know, he grew up on construction sites.
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  • He knew how to talk to those guys.
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  • He that was
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  • He was a better developer, not because
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  • He listened to the guy behind a computer screen,
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  • You know, an excel and like a gilded office.
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  • But because he spent time on the job sites with real people.
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  • And charlie was like that,
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  • So, you know, they understood each other.
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  • I mean, there's
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  • There's not many people in the inner sanctum of,
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  • You know, my father's sort of political circle.
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  • That he sort of gets
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  • Even when perhaps he's being delivered news
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  • That he needs to hear but doesn't want to hear.
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  • You know, politics.
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  • There's, you know, there's plenty of sycophants out there.
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  • There's plenty of people who tell you, oh, you know,
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  • They show up for the wins and they hide from the losses,
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  • Or, you know, the losses are someone else's fault
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  • And the wins that they had nothing to do with.
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  • You know, charlie was one of the true people that could,
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  • You know,
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  • Call him in the middle of the day
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  • And, you know, break through and be like,
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  • Hey, man, this is actually a problem.
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  • And i know no one's telling you this, but it is.
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  • And so, you know, for my father to let in,
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  • You know, even back in the day, you know, a 25 year old,
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  • Into that circle and have sort of,
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  • You know, full confidence in what he was saying.
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  • And really, you know, change his views,
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  • Perhaps change the way he delivered a message.
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  • It was truly unique to see.
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  • I don't think there was
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  • Anyone else, that he listened to that way.
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  • And maybe. period.
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  • But certainly not, you know, age adjusted.
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  • And so, you know, was interesting.
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  • I was, you know, when i knew charlie was, you know, perhaps
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  • I had accomplished what i wanted,
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  • You know, just to get him there was when,
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  • You know, we'd be in a random place
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  • And charlie is calling
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  • And he's picking up
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  • On the first ring,
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  • Or, you know, 11:00 at night, 12:00 at night
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  • On something and gets a call from charlie.
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  • He always took that call as opposed to a lot of people.
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  • He was like, yeah, no,
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  • I'm gonna send that one to voicemail.
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  • You know,
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  • He really broke through and he understood how to
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  • How to, you know, talk with and deal with.
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  • My father was, you know, an interesting guy.
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  • And, you know, it
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  • Not always the easiest person to do that with.
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  • So, you know, he got it. he understood how to do that.
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  • And so they had a really, a really unique relationship.
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  • The wounds from
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  • October 7th didn't fade when the headlines did.
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  • Behind me rises
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  • A new rehabilitation home for israel's wounded soldiers.
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  • One of many urgent projects israel needs right now.
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  • Entire communities shattered.
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  • Families displaced.
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  • And each day,
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  • The impact of the need grows even more overwhelming.
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  • But the bible says it clearly.
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  • The righteous will live by faith and by faith.
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  • The fellowship is rolling up our sleeves
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  • And stepping into this immense challenge.
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  • Helping mothers who don't know where to begin again.
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  • Standing with paralyzed heroes.
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  • Fighting to take their first steps.
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  • Building centers of healing for the wounded
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  • And the traumatized.
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  • Bringing food and comfort to elderly israelis
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  • Who have no one else to care for them.
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  • To see the life saving work of the fellowship.
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  • Unfolding across israel right now.
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  • Visit ifc's dawg.
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  • Visit ifc's dawg.
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  • That hard work you mentioned, i just think of
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  • Before the election
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  • Where we're working in several states, but where
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  • Our biggest one is arizona.
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  • And i was asking,
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  • We're just talking to charlie, are we going to win?
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  • And he says,
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  • I can't promise we're going to win the election.
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  • We're going to win arizona.
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  • I promised the president i would win arizona for him
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  • And he really that hard work element.
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  • I, a friend of mine who'd worked in the admin,
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  • Said one of charlie's best traits is if he says
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  • He'll take care of something, it really does. yeah.
  • 00:09:00.532 --> 00:09:03.002
  • No. if he said he was going to do something, there was no.
  • 00:09:03.002 --> 00:09:05.371
  • Hey, by the way, did you get did you get it done?
  • 00:09:05.371 --> 00:09:08.040
  • Are you working on this?
  • 00:09:08.040 --> 00:09:09.041
  • You just knew it was, you know, handled.
  • 00:09:09.041 --> 00:09:10.743
  • And so, you know, i remember i'm in arizona, i was out here,
  • 00:09:10.743 --> 00:09:14.546
  • You know, a couple of days before the election,
  • 00:09:14.546 --> 00:09:16.215
  • With charlie, one of the basically
  • 00:09:16.215 --> 00:09:18.117
  • The last, like, live political events.
  • 00:09:18.117 --> 00:09:20.653
  • You know,
  • 00:09:20.953 --> 00:09:21.920
  • I had done with him, prior to the election.
  • 00:09:21.920 --> 00:09:23.989
  • And, i mean,
  • 00:09:23.989 --> 00:09:25.090
  • Even then, you know, we almost had to cancel event
  • 00:09:25.090 --> 00:09:27.459
  • Because we got called
  • 00:09:27.459 --> 00:09:28.627
  • In, you know, some lunatic was, i guess, threatening me.
  • 00:09:28.627 --> 00:09:31.997
  • You know, you remember that one?
  • 00:09:31.997 --> 00:09:33.399
  • You're like, hey, we we don't think we can do this one.
  • 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:34.900
  • I was like, nope, we're doing it.
  • 00:09:34.900 --> 00:09:35.868
  • And i mean, we've had that, so many times.
  • 00:09:35.868 --> 00:09:38.704
  • I mean, charlie understood.
  • 00:09:38.704 --> 00:09:40.005
  • You know,
  • 00:09:40.005 --> 00:09:40.939
  • There was a mark out there for, you know,
  • 00:09:40.939 --> 00:09:42.741
  • You either one of us, we,
  • 00:09:42.741 --> 00:09:44.576
  • You know, said the things that needed to be said,
  • 00:09:44.576 --> 00:09:46.679
  • We were willing to articulate,
  • 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:48.080
  • Things that may not have been popular,
  • 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.416
  • Certainly not to the radical left,
  • 00:09:50.416 --> 00:09:51.884
  • Even though they really resonate
  • 00:09:51.884 --> 00:09:55.387
  • And, you know, that was an event.
  • 00:09:56.121 --> 00:09:57.289
  • Yeah. you were there.
  • 00:09:57.289 --> 00:09:58.457
  • I mean, it was like, hey, you guys got to cancel this.
  • 00:09:58.457 --> 00:09:59.925
  • This guy's on the loose. he's threatening your life.
  • 00:09:59.925 --> 00:10:01.660
  • And it's like, yeah, no, we're just going to go do it.
  • 00:10:01.660 --> 00:10:03.429
  • And you know, we had no,
  • 00:10:03.429 --> 00:10:04.830
  • You know, my father wasn't in office.
  • 00:10:04.830 --> 00:10:06.098
  • We didn't have a secret service.
  • 00:10:06.098 --> 00:10:07.232
  • We didn't have anything.
  • 00:10:07.232 --> 00:10:08.434
  • But we were just, you know, unwilling to take the loss.
  • 00:10:08.434 --> 00:10:09.902
  • I and that was a consistent theme.
  • 00:10:09.902 --> 00:10:11.937
  • I remember
  • 00:10:11.937 --> 00:10:13.172
  • Even in 16, i guess, we were at michigan state university
  • 00:10:13.172 --> 00:10:15.974
  • And it was the same thing.
  • 00:10:16.542 --> 00:10:18.343
  • You know, you've seen this a thousand times, right?
  • 00:10:18.343 --> 00:10:20.713
  • You sell 5000 tickets.
  • 00:10:20.713 --> 00:10:21.947
  • The school gives you a room that can hold a thousand,
  • 00:10:21.947 --> 00:10:23.682
  • Because they don't want you to be able to get it out there.
  • 00:10:23.682 --> 00:10:25.517
  • They don't want you to be able to, speak.
  • 00:10:25.517 --> 00:10:27.886
  • And then they have to make sure to let in all the radicals
  • 00:10:27.886 --> 00:10:29.988
  • And, you know, just to try to shut it down.
  • 00:10:29.988 --> 00:10:31.690
  • I mean, it was an active
  • 00:10:31.690 --> 00:10:33.559
  • It was an active attempt to thwart
  • 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:35.360
  • Whatever it is that, you know,
  • 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:36.595
  • Whatever movement was sort of building.
  • 00:10:36.595 --> 00:10:38.731
  • And, you know, we got into a room and,
  • 00:10:38.731 --> 00:10:40.499
  • You know, probably 20 1500 people
  • 00:10:40.499 --> 00:10:42.735
  • And we're about to go on stage.
  • 00:10:42.735 --> 00:10:43.902
  • And the michigan state police
  • 00:10:43.902 --> 00:10:45.104
  • Literally pulled us aside and said,
  • 00:10:45.104 --> 00:10:47.072
  • Hey, you know, we can't stop you from going,
  • 00:10:47.072 --> 00:10:49.408
  • But we also can't guarantee your safety.
  • 00:10:49.408 --> 00:10:51.176
  • It's it's pretty rowdy out there.
  • 00:10:51.176 --> 00:10:52.377
  • And we both looked at each other and basically said,
  • 00:10:52.377 --> 00:10:54.513
  • You know,
  • 00:10:54.513 --> 00:10:55.447
  • I think we rather get our [__] kicked
  • 00:10:55.447 --> 00:10:56.682
  • And then give them the win, you know, and not go out there.
  • 00:10:56.682 --> 00:10:59.952
  • And we did.
  • 00:10:59.952 --> 00:11:00.519
  • And we went out
  • 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:01.620
  • And we spoke and like, we won over so much of the room
  • 00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:03.822
  • That they just
  • 00:11:03.822 --> 00:11:04.890
  • It was one of the most energetic,
  • 00:11:04.890 --> 00:11:06.925
  • You know, of the many college events
  • 00:11:06.925 --> 00:11:09.128
  • That we had done together because there was that,
  • 00:11:09.128 --> 00:11:12.030
  • You know, just sort of lunacy from the left.
  • 00:11:12.030 --> 00:11:14.066
  • And charlie did such a good job of being able to,
  • 00:11:14.066 --> 00:11:16.602
  • You know, talk to them.
  • 00:11:16.602 --> 00:11:17.603
  • And, you know, i'm a little spark.
  • 00:11:17.603 --> 00:11:19.171
  • I run a little hotter, i guess, but,
  • 00:11:19.171 --> 00:11:22.708
  • You know, for him to be able to start
  • 00:11:22.708 --> 00:11:23.909
  • Having that conversation and,
  • 00:11:23.909 --> 00:11:25.177
  • You know,
  • 00:11:25.177 --> 00:11:26.178
  • Even the people who are reasonable, you know,
  • 00:11:26.178 --> 00:11:27.179
  • If you went into that room with an open mind,
  • 00:11:27.179 --> 00:11:28.447
  • He was able to win you over.
  • 00:11:28.447 --> 00:11:29.982
  • Everyone was not going in there with an open mind.
  • 00:11:29.982 --> 00:11:31.750
  • That didn't matter.
  • 00:11:31.750 --> 00:11:32.918
  • You know, but we did such a good job of
  • 00:11:32.918 --> 00:11:35.821
  • Just swinging that tie that, you know,
  • 00:11:35.821 --> 00:11:37.489
  • They basically drowned out all the hatred,
  • 00:11:37.489 --> 00:11:39.258
  • All of this, and just, frankly, energized,
  • 00:11:39.258 --> 00:11:41.860
  • You know, not just the people on our side,
  • 00:11:41.860 --> 00:11:44.129
  • But the people in the middle who are saying,
  • 00:11:44.129 --> 00:11:46.165
  • You know, this is actually a really reasonable guy.
  • 00:11:46.165 --> 00:11:48.634
  • And this actually makes a lot of sense.
  • 00:11:48.634 --> 00:11:50.636
  • There's been a lot of speculation
  • 00:11:51.370 --> 00:11:54.239
  • After charlie's death, and you see this kind of
  • 00:11:54.239 --> 00:11:57.476
  • Some infighting, and you know, and i think people respect
  • 00:11:57.476 --> 00:12:01.113
  • In a whole new way what charlie was actually doing
  • 00:12:01.113 --> 00:12:03.916
  • And kind of the glue, you know, i have
  • 00:12:03.916 --> 00:12:07.052
  • I take kind of a middle approach to it
  • 00:12:07.052 --> 00:12:08.921
  • That i think we saw some of these fissures
  • 00:12:08.921 --> 00:12:10.756
  • Coming on the horizon, and maybe it accelerated
  • 00:12:10.756 --> 00:12:12.825
  • Some of the, the disagreements.
  • 00:12:12.825 --> 00:12:14.293
  • Maybe, maybe he was really holding it back.
  • 00:12:14.293 --> 00:12:16.128
  • It's it's tough to to understand
  • 00:12:16.128 --> 00:12:18.197
  • What do you make of that?
  • 00:12:18.197 --> 00:12:19.598
  • Are you do you have a new appreciation for it? did you.
  • 00:12:19.598 --> 00:12:21.733
  • Oh, 100% i mean, listen,
  • 00:12:21.733 --> 00:12:23.702
  • I'm used to the, you know, the fissures i'm used
  • 00:12:23.702 --> 00:12:26.104
  • To, you know, people doing things for clicks.
  • 00:12:26.104 --> 00:12:27.706
  • It's like you know, i get it.
  • 00:12:27.706 --> 00:12:28.974
  • You know, politics has become a business for a lot of people.
  • 00:12:28.974 --> 00:12:32.044
  • So, you know, i get that.
  • 00:12:32.044 --> 00:12:33.946
  • But i probably didn't fully appreciate,
  • 00:12:33.946 --> 00:12:36.481
  • You know, just how, you know, fragile.
  • 00:12:36.481 --> 00:12:38.517
  • Some of it actually is, and, and how much he was able
  • 00:12:38.517 --> 00:12:42.321
  • To hold that together or, you know, just,
  • 00:12:42.321 --> 00:12:44.523
  • You know, put a stop to it.
  • 00:12:44.523 --> 00:12:45.557
  • But, you know,
  • 00:12:45.557 --> 00:12:46.558
  • We are actually willing to hear other opinions.
  • 00:12:46.558 --> 00:12:50.329
  • We don't have to sort of blindly agree on everything.
  • 00:12:50.329 --> 00:12:53.432
  • We can have those conversations.
  • 00:12:53.432 --> 00:12:54.566
  • I'm not sure.
  • 00:12:54.566 --> 00:12:55.334
  • I love the way
  • 00:12:55.334 --> 00:12:56.268
  • Some of those conversations have unfolded,
  • 00:12:56.268 --> 00:12:57.970
  • You know, certainly in the last couple of months.
  • 00:12:57.970 --> 00:13:00.005
  • But, you know, that's the difference between us
  • 00:13:00.005 --> 00:13:02.241
  • And the democrat party, whereas you know,
  • 00:13:02.241 --> 00:13:04.142
  • You've seen it a thousand times, like
  • 00:13:04.142 --> 00:13:05.577
  • If you're not 100%
  • 00:13:05.577 --> 00:13:07.012
  • With everything, you could be a thought
  • 00:13:07.012 --> 00:13:08.213
  • Leader of their movement for decades.
  • 00:13:08.213 --> 00:13:09.948
  • And you, you free
  • 00:13:09.948 --> 00:13:12.050
  • You went away on this one issue.
  • 00:13:12.050 --> 00:13:13.719
  • You know, 1%. yeah.
  • 00:13:13.719 --> 00:13:15.187
  • And you're out.
  • 00:13:15.187 --> 00:13:16.154
  • You're persona non grata.
  • 00:13:16.154 --> 00:13:17.356
  • You're cast aside despite, you know, decades of, you know,
  • 00:13:17.356 --> 00:13:20.325
  • You know, work in that movement.
  • 00:13:20.325 --> 00:13:21.860
  • You know we're a little different
  • 00:13:21.860 --> 00:13:22.995
  • I think why we're able to,
  • 00:13:22.995 --> 00:13:24.796
  • You know,
  • 00:13:24.796 --> 00:13:25.931
  • Get to things that make sense is by actually having
  • 00:13:25.931 --> 00:13:28.200
  • That conversation in that dialog.
  • 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:29.568
  • And i thought charlie did that so well,
  • 00:13:29.568 --> 00:13:31.570
  • You know,
  • 00:13:31.570 --> 00:13:32.571
  • Not just within the movement, which i think
  • 00:13:32.571 --> 00:13:34.106
  • We all probably recognize
  • 00:13:34.106 --> 00:13:35.874
  • He was holding together or at least stopping, you know,
  • 00:13:35.874 --> 00:13:38.510
  • Perhaps some of the insanity from, spreading.
  • 00:13:38.510 --> 00:13:41.413
  • But by literally every day
  • 00:13:41.980 --> 00:13:45.517
  • Opening up one of the largest platforms
  • 00:13:45.517 --> 00:13:47.619
  • In the world, you know,
  • 00:13:47.619 --> 00:13:48.520
  • Whether it's his podcast, whether it was
  • 00:13:48.520 --> 00:13:49.922
  • Just being out there in public for social,
  • 00:13:49.922 --> 00:13:51.990
  • You know, to those who hated him
  • 00:13:51.990 --> 00:13:54.559
  • Most and, you know, giving them the opportunity
  • 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:57.229
  • To speak, giving them the mic.
  • 00:13:57.229 --> 00:13:58.797
  • And when when people heard both sides of that argument,
  • 00:13:58.797 --> 00:14:01.233
  • They realized, oh, wait a second.
  • 00:14:01.233 --> 00:14:03.035
  • I mean, it's why he was so effective
  • 00:14:03.035 --> 00:14:04.303
  • On college campuses,
  • 00:14:04.303 --> 00:14:05.270
  • Which he you know, when you say, like, hey,
  • 00:14:05.270 --> 00:14:06.471
  • We got to do college campus tours in 16.
  • 00:14:06.471 --> 00:14:08.106
  • I was like, are you gonna take your mind like, like this?
  • 00:14:08.106 --> 00:14:10.075
  • Like that's lost. yeah. you know,
  • 00:14:10.075 --> 00:14:13.011
  • That's that's over.
  • 00:14:13.478 --> 00:14:14.713
  • You know, we'll get them when they're 30
  • 00:14:14.713 --> 00:14:15.681
  • And they start paying taxes.
  • 00:14:15.681 --> 00:14:17.149
  • But, you know, he was able to do that
  • 00:14:17.149 --> 00:14:20.619
  • And have those conversations and again,
  • 00:14:20.619 --> 00:14:22.087
  • Once people heard both sides, then they could sort of
  • 00:14:22.087 --> 00:14:24.990
  • Pick a lane and run with it.
  • 00:14:24.990 --> 00:14:26.658
  • And i think, you know, that that was
  • 00:14:26.658 --> 00:14:28.427
  • Perhaps his biggest threat to the other side.
  • 00:14:28.427 --> 00:14:31.496
  • You know, not that he was a radical
  • 00:14:31.496 --> 00:14:32.631
  • Because charlie was like the least radical guy i know.
  • 00:14:32.631 --> 00:14:35.867
  • Not that he was like a wild man,
  • 00:14:35.867 --> 00:14:37.102
  • Because that too was not his thing.
  • 00:14:37.102 --> 00:14:39.271
  • But, his threat was that he was actually so effective,
  • 00:14:39.271 --> 00:14:42.908
  • At winning over and changing hearts and minds, you know,
  • 00:14:42.908 --> 00:14:46.912
  • That, you know, that he became much more of a target.
  • 00:14:46.912 --> 00:14:55.020
  • Where are
  • 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:56.588
  • The tears from the pain.
  • 00:14:56.588 --> 00:14:58.924
  • The life that she lived.
  • 00:14:58.924 --> 00:15:01.059
  • She's a survivor of auschwitz.
  • 00:15:01.059 --> 00:15:04.496
  • The years that they would just beat her ears.
  • 00:15:04.496 --> 00:15:07.265
  • That she didn't have food and felt hungry.
  • 00:15:07.265 --> 00:15:10.569
  • And our answer is love.
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  • Before, with a gift of only $25.
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  • You'll deliver a life saving food box into the hands
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  • Of an elderly jew in need.
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  • I wasn't only saying people have a heart.
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  • There are good people today.
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  • Call, scan or go online now.
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  • And the international
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  • Fellowship of christians
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  • And jews will rush your food box today saudi arabia.
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  • This is a holy moment.
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  • What you're doing is not simply being kind.
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  • You are prophetically stepping into the scriptures
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  • And being part of their redemption and our own.
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  • Please call, scan or go online now.
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  • Without further ado, the
  • 00:16:02.980 --> 00:16:04.148
  • Great michael knowles, great.
  • 00:16:04.148 --> 00:16:08.185
  • I so much to see you.
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  • How are you, michael?
  • 00:16:10.454 --> 00:16:12.890
  • You're always looking so dapper. stop it! get out.
  • 00:16:12.890 --> 00:16:15.225
  • You're going to.
  • 00:16:15.225 --> 00:16:16.326
  • Flattery will get you somewhere. it will get you is.
  • 00:16:16.326 --> 00:16:17.661
  • I did have this, thought i said yesterday.
  • 00:16:17.661 --> 00:16:20.431
  • I was on the main stage, you know, so
  • 00:16:20.431 --> 00:16:21.932
  • I had to have my more official republican blue suit, red tie,
  • 00:16:21.932 --> 00:16:25.969
  • You know?
  • 00:16:25.969 --> 00:16:26.837
  • But i said this is more the casual day.
  • 00:16:26.837 --> 00:16:28.539
  • Purple. it is a purple.
  • 00:16:28.539 --> 00:16:29.840
  • I like to call it aubergine, but i it is purple, in fact.
  • 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:32.910
  • Yeah.
  • 00:16:32.910 --> 00:16:34.144
  • All right, so, your boss said some crazy stuff last night.
  • 00:16:34.144 --> 00:16:36.647
  • You know, i, i don't know who put together the calendar,
  • 00:16:37.748 --> 00:16:40.451
  • The schedule of events.
  • 00:16:40.451 --> 00:16:41.752
  • I look, i said, okay, so i actually did that was it.
  • 00:16:41.752 --> 00:16:44.621
  • This is it.
  • 00:16:44.955 --> 00:16:45.522
  • This is charlie special.
  • 00:16:45.522 --> 00:16:47.191
  • I get opening night is basically all charlie.
  • 00:16:47.191 --> 00:16:49.693
  • That's great. right toward the top.
  • 00:16:49.693 --> 00:16:50.828
  • We got ben, then we got tucker and i.
  • 00:16:50.828 --> 00:16:52.863
  • I looked at, okay, here i am, right in the middle.
  • 00:16:52.863 --> 00:16:54.932
  • It's kind of like being in the middle of india and pakistan
  • 00:16:54.932 --> 00:16:58.469
  • In the middle of iran and iraq.
  • 00:16:59.103 --> 00:17:00.938
  • But, i was funny too,
  • 00:17:00.938 --> 00:17:02.940
  • Because that the point of my speech was to say, okay,
  • 00:17:02.940 --> 00:17:05.809
  • What did charlie do? charlie did a million things.
  • 00:17:05.809 --> 00:17:08.112
  • We're just talking about this backstage.
  • 00:17:08.112 --> 00:17:09.613
  • Charlie did a million things, right.
  • 00:17:09.613 --> 00:17:11.181
  • He debated at the top levels.
  • 00:17:11.181 --> 00:17:12.883
  • He fundraised at the top levels. he did.
  • 00:17:12.883 --> 00:17:15.519
  • He organized, he campaigned,
  • 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:17.020
  • He did this, that, and the other wrote books.
  • 00:17:17.020 --> 00:17:18.522
  • Right.
  • 00:17:18.522 --> 00:17:19.823
  • But the distinctive thing that he did
  • 00:17:19.823 --> 00:17:22.426
  • Was build and maintain coalitions, often
  • 00:17:22.426 --> 00:17:25.562
  • Closely behind the scenes, mediating, negotiating,
  • 00:17:25.562 --> 00:17:27.931
  • Sorting things out, keeping some people out.
  • 00:17:27.931 --> 00:17:29.933
  • You're too kind,
  • 00:17:29.933 --> 00:17:31.135
  • Keeping people in, even people in who hate each other's guts.
  • 00:17:31.135 --> 00:17:33.770
  • And, you know, always moving forward toward a goal.
  • 00:17:33.770 --> 00:17:36.540
  • So i get up there and i say, you know,
  • 00:17:36.540 --> 00:17:38.041
  • I think my thesis is going to be blessed are the peacemakers.
  • 00:17:38.041 --> 00:17:40.811
  • This is charlie's distinctive quality.
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  • We need to emulate this leo pope. leo.
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  • Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  • And then.
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  • Yeah, go ahead. and then what happens?
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  • No one agrees with me, and everyone starts throwing elbows
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  • All night.
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  • I said, okay, well, never mind, i'll be over the bar.
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  • Listen, the the audience liked russell
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  • Brand's prayer and his whole thing last night.
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  • Right? you guys? yeah.
  • 00:18:01.031 --> 00:18:03.066
  • They didn't have high marks for you, but that's okay.
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  • Yeah, that's why you're here.
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  • That's why you're here. you're.
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  • I'm. i'm so glad that you had, russell come in
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  • Because, you know, it opens up.
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  • Erica gives her beautiful speech.
  • 00:18:15.145 --> 00:18:16.747
  • Then ben just starts throwing elbows everywhere,
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  • And i said, hold on.
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  • And then, you know, tucker is going
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  • To be punching back at ben.
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  • And i said, i really need russell to come there.
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  • Shirt buttoned down to the navel.
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  • You know, tom,
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  • I don't know, talking about
  • 00:18:27.024 --> 00:18:28.091
  • Some kind of hippie, that it was great.
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  • I was really it was a nice palate cleanser.
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  • It really it was. it.
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  • The evening went well.
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  • But then of course, the headlines were maga civil
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  • War mayhem.
  • 00:18:39.036 --> 00:18:40.571
  • They were like looking for all the m words.
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  • They could they could, put the daily mail, in a headline.
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  • So what do you make of that?
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  • What is this?
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  • Is this healthy? is this destructive?
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  • This you know, what do you make of it
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  • When you think of 20, 26?
  • 00:18:51.982 --> 00:18:53.283
  • Oh, look, you know, i mean, i my my speech last night was,
  • 00:18:53.283 --> 00:18:57.020
  • Contrary to maybe some of the other ones,
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  • Which is that i think it's very important
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  • To recognize that there's a coalition charlie built.
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  • And maybe you like that he invited some people.
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  • Maybe you wish you didn't invite some people,
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  • And maybe you wish he invited people in that he excluded.
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  • I don't know, i don't really care.
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  • He built a team. this is the team.
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  • This is the army. okay?
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  • Everyone here, all of you,
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  • This massive gathering of people
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  • On the stage and more off the stage.
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  • You're on the team, okay?
  • 00:19:19.276 --> 00:19:20.510
  • And so the team has a purpose.
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  • The team has a goal, and you got to
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  • Move down the field and you got to win.
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  • And the losers make policy,
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  • The winners make policy, and the losers go home.
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  • So my view is
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  • We don't want to paper over our differences.
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  • We're in a period of extreme flux right now.
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  • Obviously, we're coming to the end of the trump era.
  • 00:19:36.426 --> 00:19:38.795
  • Trump has dominated.
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  • He's been the big dog for ten years.
  • 00:19:40.030 --> 00:19:41.765
  • The heir apparent, obviously, is jd vance.
  • 00:19:41.765 --> 00:19:44.368
  • So whenever there's a transition like that,
  • 00:19:44.368 --> 00:19:47.771
  • There's going to be a big shift in all the differences
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  • In the factions that have existed for decades
  • 00:19:50.374 --> 00:19:53.343
  • Are going to come out and people are going to vie
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  • For position and their view.
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  • My view is we should,
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  • Try to work those out in a in a way that is productive,
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  • That is offers grace to people that,
  • 00:20:03.220 --> 00:20:06.590
  • Because if you take the infighting to its extreme
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  • And you say, look, give me what i want,
  • 00:20:10.661 --> 00:20:12.529
  • Or i'm taking my ball and going home, well,
  • 00:20:12.529 --> 00:20:14.998
  • Then we lose, you know, and then the left wins.
  • 00:20:14.998 --> 00:20:17.200
  • And i guess
  • 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:18.268
  • One of my very practical points in that speech is
  • 00:20:18.268 --> 00:20:21.171
  • The left makes no distinction between any of those people
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  • On the stage.
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  • Okay.
  • 00:20:24.241 --> 00:20:25.275
  • And the, and they will go after us all together.
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  • So we we have to win.
  • 00:20:29.346 --> 00:20:31.515
  • This was an insight from charlie
  • 00:20:31.515 --> 00:20:33.050
  • That you don't always get from pundits,
  • 00:20:33.050 --> 00:20:34.751
  • Because it's easy to have an opinion
  • 00:20:34.751 --> 00:20:36.420
  • And opinions are interesting,
  • 00:20:36.420 --> 00:20:37.654
  • And especially some of the drama
  • 00:20:37.654 --> 00:20:39.690
  • Online is really interesting and titillating. but
  • 00:20:39.690 --> 00:20:42.959
  • Charlie wanted to win and
  • 00:20:43.527 --> 00:20:45.429
  • Charlie did win, and charlie, like, kept winning.
  • 00:20:45.429 --> 00:20:48.365
  • Not yeah, sort out your differences.
  • 00:20:48.365 --> 00:20:50.133
  • Have your fun debate club
  • 00:20:50.133 --> 00:20:51.468
  • Really, you know, work those issues.
  • 00:20:51.468 --> 00:20:52.836
  • But when you know, what's crazy to me
  • 00:20:52.836 --> 00:20:54.504
  • Is when i see, like 18 year old charlie,
  • 00:20:54.504 --> 00:20:56.873
  • You know, like, on, neil cavuto or it's like local
  • 00:20:56.873 --> 00:20:59.543
  • Chicago news and he's like, you know, we've got 15 chapters
  • 00:20:59.543 --> 00:21:02.713
  • And he's got this chicago accent.
  • 00:21:02.713 --> 00:21:04.147
  • He's like,
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  • And we're going to build an institution,
  • 00:21:05.048 --> 00:21:06.350
  • And it's going to be, you know, it was the al capone.
  • 00:21:06.350 --> 00:21:08.785
  • Yeah. hold on. was it? it blows my mind.
  • 00:21:08.785 --> 00:21:11.221
  • You know, this first
  • 00:21:11.221 --> 00:21:12.089
  • Neil cavuto where he was like,
  • 00:21:12.089 --> 00:21:13.690
  • We've been having tremendous success on twitter.
  • 00:21:13.690 --> 00:21:16.159
  • And it's been and i'm like,
  • 00:21:16.159 --> 00:21:17.561
  • This is it's like the guy was just so ahead of it.
  • 00:21:17.561 --> 00:21:20.831
  • He was always driven that way.
  • 00:21:20.831 --> 00:21:22.532
  • And, you know, so to your point though,
  • 00:21:22.532 --> 00:21:24.968
  • It's like i want to, you know, talk about this coalition.
  • 00:21:24.968 --> 00:21:28.105
  • We did a thing before you got on here,
  • 00:21:28.105 --> 00:21:30.173
  • But you should see it again.
  • 00:21:30.173 --> 00:21:31.308
  • And, for the folks at home, just take my word for it.
  • 00:21:31.308 --> 00:21:34.177
  • So who last night appreciated the ben shapiro approach?
  • 00:21:34.177 --> 00:21:37.247
  • Hands up.
  • 00:21:37.547 --> 00:21:39.216
  • Let's put my glasses on.
  • 00:21:39.750 --> 00:21:41.051
  • Your glasses in the room?
  • 00:21:41.051 --> 00:21:42.419
  • Probably more than half the room.
  • 00:21:42.419 --> 00:21:43.587
  • And who appreciated the tucker carlson approach?
  • 00:21:43.587 --> 00:21:46.556
  • Half the room.
  • 00:21:46.556 --> 00:21:47.290
  • Yeah, right. yeah.
  • 00:21:47.290 --> 00:21:48.592
  • 5050. yeah.
  • 00:21:48.592 --> 00:21:49.593
  • So if you wonder why charlie
  • 00:21:49.593 --> 00:21:50.861
  • Constructed an opening night the way he did.
  • 00:21:50.861 --> 00:21:52.763
  • Hey. hold on. you left one.
  • 00:21:52.763 --> 00:21:53.830
  • Who who appreciated the michael knowles approach?
  • 00:21:53.830 --> 00:21:55.665
  • Yeah, that's the whole room.
  • 00:21:55.665 --> 00:21:56.933
  • That's it.
  • 00:21:56.933 --> 00:21:57.367
  • Look at that.
  • 00:21:57.367 --> 00:21:58.335
  • Yeah, yeah, we even get a whoop in there.
  • 00:21:58.335 --> 00:22:01.004
  • Yeah. so.
  • 00:22:01.004 --> 00:22:01.872
  • But when, when we talk about
  • 00:22:01.872 --> 00:22:04.574
  • What we are dealing with, you mentioned that this stuff
  • 00:22:04.574 --> 00:22:07.611
  • Had been simmering under the surface for years.
  • 00:22:07.611 --> 00:22:11.348
  • I mean,
  • 00:22:11.348 --> 00:22:12.549
  • You could go back to buckley and the birchers and it's like
  • 00:22:12.549 --> 00:22:14.851
  • Some of this stuff is is as old as time
  • 00:22:15.719 --> 00:22:17.587
  • And it's not going to go away, go back to roosevelt and taft.
  • 00:22:17.587 --> 00:22:20.190
  • I mean, you know, i mean, you can keep going, but
  • 00:22:20.190 --> 00:22:22.359
  • But when we talk about
  • 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:23.994
  • Where this goes in kind of a shifting, a settling,
  • 00:22:23.994 --> 00:22:27.697
  • Hopefully we come back together.
  • 00:22:27.697 --> 00:22:28.865
  • These you don't expect necessarily
  • 00:22:28.865 --> 00:22:30.834
  • Some of the fault lines to go away.
  • 00:22:30.834 --> 00:22:35.172
  • As this year draws to an end,
  • 00:22:35.806 --> 00:22:37.274
  • I'd like to express my
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  • Heartfelt gratitude to our partners, the fellowship
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  • Of christians and jews.
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  • And i'd like to say thank you to our audience
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  • Who have supported them in prayer, with finances
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  • And standing strong for the people of israel.
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  • The fellowship is one of america's
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  • Most beloved
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  • Organizations, spanning more than 40 years of ministry,
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  • Providing tangible help
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  • And comfort to the people of israel
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  • In the ukraine and across the former soviet union.
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  • This holiday season and every day of the year,
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  • The elderly jewish people,
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  • Many of whom are holocaust survivors who are now
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