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Charlie Kirk Today | Dr. Oz: May 14, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | May 14, 2026

Doctor oz, doctor
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Mehmet oz, formerly known as the wizard.
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No, i'm just kidding.
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He's the administrator for the centers
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For medicare and medicaid services.
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Huge, huge job.
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And you have taken front and center.
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And so much of what
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The administration is doing with this fraud task force.
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When you entered this job, did you know that
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This was going to be such a huge part of what you did?
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You know, we made okrs, objectives and key results.
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Folks who work in the technology
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Space, they'll recognize.
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That's a tactic
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That's used with large organizations to sort of
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Make sure everyone knows where you're headed.
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Crushing fraud, waste and abuse is one of them.
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And i'll tell you why.
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I was approached by so many vendors
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After the president nominated me,
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Who wanted to sell us services
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To reduce fraud, waste and abuse.
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So i figured there's a lot of market here.
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All these people did.
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They're going to make a fortune shutting down fraud,
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By the way.
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They take a part of they action,
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Which is why they make so much money.
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I thought if there's 100 vendors approaching me
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To sell me services,
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There's something going on i got to pay attention to.
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So it actually clued me into the magnitude of the problem.
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What i didn't realize was that fraud.
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And listen carefully.
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Fraud is not a flaw for many states.
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It's a feature.
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It's an opportunity.
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Let me walk you through an example
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Because once you understand that, you realize
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That we're not actually a team going after this.
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This is why what the president did
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Was so important when he announced a task force,
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A white house
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Anti-fraud task force that the vice president is leading,
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That's going to be able
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To get an all of government approach,
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Because if you don't get the entire
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Federal government on board, you know, if office inspector
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General, the fbi, department of justice,
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Said, at medicare, we have we have the numbers,
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They have the law enforcement chops.
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We need
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We need treasury because got business
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Guys have forensic accounting.
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If we don't do that together, our counterparty,
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Which are the states, did they dominate the process?
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And if they don't want to play with us,
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Because for them there's an advantage
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To some of this fraud.
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It's a problem.
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So let me just tell this story real quick.
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Just in one example, new york state,
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Big state, you know, fifth avenue shopping sales, right?
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You would think mamdani. right.
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The number one job in the whole state of new york,
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The number one job is being a personal care service helper,
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Which means you're carrying the groceries upstairs.
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You're helping with shopping.
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You're often the son of the person you're helping.
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So you have, like, 1 in 6 jobs in new york city, i think so.
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Well, it might be that new york city is what
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It's about half a million jobs in the state.
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It's the fastest growing part of the job sector.
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But here's why it matters to the governor.
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It's a jobs program.
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So when these people are being hired,
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They come off the unemployment rolls.
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You're not paying them to do something
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Your family would do for you.
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Normally they're taking that money
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As it's, you know, disposable income.
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They're paying taxes on that.
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And here's the part that a lot of folks
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Don't realize might happen in its act.
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It's just starting now.
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We're trying to understand it a bit more.
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Unions are getting involved and unionizing these people.
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We're seeing similar things happening.
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California, where i was just coming from.
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So you actually have a massive infrastructure
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That begins to resemble political patronage.
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And so when you have that kind of a basically what it is,
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Exactly what it is,
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You're now having the federal government
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Funding a jobs program that states and unions
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That support one political party in general
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Are taking their public unions not i'm not talking about
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Private unions are taking advantage of.
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So i think we have a big battle in front of us.
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We've already deferred, about $350
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Million from minnesota because they're passed the receipts.
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What they pay us, what they show us, they paid
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Don't add up in our mind.
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We did just too much variance.
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And again, medicaid, which is for poorer people,
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Folks who are vulnerable, the state pays the bill
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And then we reimburse them
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As opposed to medicare, which is for older folks
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Where we just pay the bill the get go.
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And we have a lot more control over medicare.
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That's why things like hospice fraud are so maddening to me,
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Because hospice fraud happens
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When states don't release licenses
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And the federal government's not paying attention.
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And the prior administration
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Actively ignored warning signs that there were problems.
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And in california, the auditor general of the state
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Of california four years ago said, we have a fraud problem.
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You must act. no one did anything.
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I have a question.
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How much of this accelerated under the biden administration?
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How bad? i'm sure it was there before.
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But like did
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Post covid
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During biden, did it just get extraordinarily worse?
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It was weaponized after covid.
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Now, two parts of that answer.
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First, covid itself taught a lot of people,
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Especially foreigners
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Who didn't understand america and foreign governments.
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They could steal from the federal government
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And probably not get caught just the whole way.
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We conducted our business of government during covid.
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Then add to that
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The biden administration's willful disregard for fraud
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They knew was happening.
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People in my agency,
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Even folks who are not, maybe politically aligned,
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Who've been there for years, are career employees.
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They'll acknowledged this,
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And they came to government to work and fix stuff.
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They're not just sitting there
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Trying to collect the paycheck.
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Good ones. yeah, yeah.
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Well, the reason i say that in my agency,
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Medicare, medicaid,
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These are insurance people, these are actuarial.
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So these people can get paid twice as much money outside
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The government.
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So if they're going to come in, they want to do their job.
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And they were told, stand down, don't do that.
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Instead, just focus on enrolling new people.
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And the more we realize the implications of that,
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Do you think you're doing good by bringing people on to these
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These programs that don't have the right reasons
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To be on those programs?
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You actually hurt the people deserve to be on there.
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So let me finish with hospice real quick.
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In california,
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One third of all hospices in the entire country,
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In the whole country, are in los angeles,
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Not california, just the city of los angeles.
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And so you begin to appreciate that half of these folks
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Are probably fraudulent,
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That that's a corruption that is so deep.
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It's not about whittling off the edges.
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It's not about sending a memo out.
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In fact,
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When the memos are being sent out from california,
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Someone in sacramento at a senior level stomps them down.
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Literally in the end of december,
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They were trying to do something that
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Was going to be very helpful.
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It would have taken action on january 1st.
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You would.
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The rule was simple
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Doctors may not participate in more than one hospice.
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Why would you just take care of the one hospice you're in?
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You get multiple hospices, you can get paid more.
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People bribe you to lie about people who are going to die
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And so they can collect more money.
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So they were going to stop that,
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That sacramento blocked it.
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Why would you get in the way of fixing an integrity issue
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In something as precious as hospice is,
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Because you actually don't want to fix it?
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There's something.
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So i think
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My favorite preposterous aspect of of the california hospice
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Fraud thing, specifically the the california ag,
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Specifically attacked you
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When when you did
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Your viral video in los angeles,
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You were finding all of these fragile ones
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Linked to gangs, armenian gangs, specifically,
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In many cases.
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And bonta, i'm trying to find the quote here.
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And he said
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Basically that this was a reckless and false allegation.
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And then literally last august, he'd been bragging about
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How there was an epidemic
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Of fraud, of hospice fraud, specifically in california.
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And he was fighting it.
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And they just
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They turn around
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And threatening to sue you for pointing out how badly
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They're not threatening to sue me.
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They they're suing me.
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They're coming out.
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Now. i'm thinking,
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You understand
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This is how in animals in the wild who are being,
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You know, hunted, cornered.
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When they're cornered,
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They obfuscate, they release a smokescreen.
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That's what they're trying to do,
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You know, these guys, they stole $58 million
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With fake hospice like they manufactured.
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They didn't take care of anybody.
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They just sent them blank bills.
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They got paid by the state,
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And, oh, by the by the federal government,
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They wanted to get their money out of the country
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To go back where they came from.
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They converted it to gold.
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They bought gold bars, even criminals.
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Now they buy gold bars, put it in their suitcases,
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They're escaping.
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Thankfully, the office of inspector general.
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Great people
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Got a search warrant, got some of the money back,
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But some of the money went back to where they came from.
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And i'm looking at these stories and thinking,
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This is so preposterous.
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You would never imagine anybody would tolerate this.
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You come from another country, we take you in.
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We're giving you the blessings of being in america.
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You you robbed from our most vulnerable people,
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Converted the gold
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To egregious things you can get out of the country
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Because, you know, you get caught eventually.
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And we're in california anyway.
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They're whittling around, spending time.
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I mean, wednesday, i you know, i was i was blessed to join
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The dea with 200 agents, to go into macarthur park.
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There's a
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One of the biggest open-air drug markets in the country
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And shut down the sinaloa gang doing business there.
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We listened to group.
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These investigators found 19 kilos of fentanyl.
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That's enough to kill maybe 190,000 people.
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That's what the agents told me.
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That's a lot of a lot of bad stuff.
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And it's these.
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The gangs
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Write their names on the buildings in la
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Because they own those buildings.
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Like you can't go there.
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So the, you know, the 18th street gang.
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Ms13.
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They own parts of the city.
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I'm thinking, my goodness, a foreign cartel supported
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Maybe by then foreign
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Governments are owning parts of the city of los angeles.
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Why does the federal government
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Have to come in and rescue them?
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You know what happened to sacramento?
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What happened to the governor?
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And they don't want to be rescued. that's what's worse.
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They fight you guys, they sue you guys.
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They create political ads demonizing you.
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Do we have a ballpark estimate?
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What is the national scale?
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How much are we losing to fraud?
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Generally these foreign gangs just basically looting america.
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We believe medicare medicaid loses $100 billion a year.
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To put it in perspective that folks can process.
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If you're young,
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Many of your listeners are,
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And you think you're going to retire on medicare.
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If we could take the fraud out
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Of the system, we would double the life
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Expectancy of the medicare trust fund.
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In other words, your medicare would last twice as long.
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So if you're worried about medicare of being,
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You know,
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Strong enough to take care of you
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After you've worked the long life,
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Help us with the fraud effort.
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If you have anyone that
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You know that you think is defrauding
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Us, called it,
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You know, this podcast, or if you have a loved one
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Who's sharing their beneficiary number,
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Their medicare number
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With anybody else, stop them because that's a credit card.
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Foreign countries take that card, they weaponize it.
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They steal from us.
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You thought, doctor oz is going to be famous
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As a television star or maybe even a senator?
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No, no, no fraud buster.
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You i mean, you like a good.
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You're like a cop.
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It feels like it does. but, i mean, you know,
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In a good way. in the best of ways.
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We're grateful for it. i just love how.
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I just love how passionate you are about it.
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And, gosh, we could use, like, a thousand more like you.
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And, gosh, we could use, like, a thousand more like you.
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All right.
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Welcome back. we are joined in studio.
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What a treat, doctor mehmet oz, not a tv star.
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No, no.
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Sky is a serious operator who is addressing
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One of the most critical needs in our federal government.
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And that's driving out, rooting out waste,
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Fraud and abuse in our medicare and medicaid systems.
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And it has been one of the central storylines,
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Even so much so that you have jd vance
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Singing your praises, specifically naming
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You for the work that you're doing on this.
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I actually had the honor of being
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The one interviewing him in this moment.
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Sap five, who's been amazing on this is doctor oz.
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Mehmet oz, who runs the center,
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For medicare and medicaid services.
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Because so much of the fraud in our system
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Is people who are defrauding medicare and medicaid, doctor
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Oz working with some of the the,
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You know, the people in our department of justice
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Found is that in southern california,
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You had all these people who are engaged
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In massive fraud against the medicare system.
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You had just tons and tons of people getting rich off fraud.
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And so we had our sort of our weekly fraud check in call
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Two weeks ago, and doctor oz called in,
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But he's like, hey, i got to go
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Because i'm about to hop on the bus
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And we're going to go arrest
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A bunch of fraudsters in los angeles.
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Sounds like that's exactly what i want you to do.
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By all means, get off the phone.
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Proof is in the pudding, right?
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Here's here's the proof.
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That one as a big hospice center, there apparently quite
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A few hospices around here, 42 within a four block radius.
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And these guys stole $16 million.
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Well, we have learned this.
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There's roughly $3.5 billion of fraud
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Taking place here in los angeles in hospice
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And home care
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The fact that this has gone on this long without us realize
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I mean we knew we don't see on would say like
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There's all this fraud and we'd be like okay, okay.
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And you people have talked about you go around
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Like neighborhoods of
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Cities and you say you see these buildings,
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There's never activity around them.
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There's constant
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There's all these signs for businesses
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And they're just sort of vacant, empty.
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Saw this in minneapolis with the quality living center
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That that really blew the business
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That's getting millions of dollars.
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And then they talk to locals and they say,
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I've never seen any person set foot here by the way,
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I want to compliment the vice president
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Because the president and the president obviously
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Anointed him
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To lead the white house and for a task force.
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But he's been a spectacular hands on leader.
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We campaign together, by the way, in 2022.
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And actually, charlie came and visited.
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Turning point was very supportive of him
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In both our efforts. so thank you for that.
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But the opportunity
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That had the vice president lead the effort
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Like this ensures that all the different agencies
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Within government work together.
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You make a great point. why wasn't this noticed before?
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What part was ideological?
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I mean, the prior administration
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Just did not care about fraud.
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It wasn't what they thought was the problem.
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Unfortunately they were wrong.
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But even if you want to fix it in government,
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If i'm doing the accounting work and telling you, you know,
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Hey, these guys are taking five times more money
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Than anybody else around, or there's 42 of these facilities,
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You know, working within a four block radius,
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Which is impossible.
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Why do you need 42 hospices in four blocks?
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You know, they would normally naturally be dispersed.
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You also have to be able to get the fbi to pay attention.
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And you have to get the office of inspector general.
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They they're the guys who were like
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The beat cops going out there and catching.
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I'll let a lot of these guys and getting the clues.
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You need the department of justice to focus.
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You need to have accounting
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And banking support because remember,
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What you really appreciate is the small level guys.
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It's like the drug business.
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They make small amounts of money
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A million here, 3 million there.
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Then it aggregates up through money laundering
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And other ways of obfuscating where the cash is headed
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To these large criminal syndicates
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And these syndicates, they're dangerous.
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They scare you.
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I went to flushing, new york recently.
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Now, for folks who don't know,
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Flushing, new york is a massive chinese population there.
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And i ran into i was looking at these things
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Called social adult daycare centers.
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They're basically unlicensed facilities
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Where seniors can come together.
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They do it because they can recruit people
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In these facilities to give up their medicare
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Beneficiary numbers, which are like credit cards.
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They say, listen, i'll pay you a thousand bucks a month.
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You'll sign this document saying you came here every day.
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We're going to send you home health care.
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Even if you don't need it,
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We're going to send your wheelchairs.
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You don't need expensive prescription branded drugs.
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You don't want that.
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We're going to send you for x rays you don't need
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Just because you can generate billing.
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So they do all this stuff.
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I go there and i run into my charge nurse.
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Now she's like, nurse ratchet.
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She's a tough nut.
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I've open chest with her.
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You know, we've been through some life
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And death circumstances. nothing fazes her.
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She sees me. she initially hugs me. she's so happy i'm there.
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And then she ask me why i'm there
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And i have some guys around me.
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They're, you know, they look like
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They're fbi and doj because they were right.
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They came from the southern district.
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We went over there
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And she says,
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If you're with law enforcement, you have to leave right now.
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I said, what do you mean?
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She's very dangerous. very dangerous.
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You must go right now.
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And then she ran away and warned me to get out of town.
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And then i learned later on that
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Nobody actually will testify against these guys again.
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Organized criminal elements.
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They may even me chinese government involvement here.
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So please don't think these are,
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You know, small little scoundrels.
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These are not a few somalians here and there.
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This is
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Weaponized in south florida
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Because it's not just a blue state problem.
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There are twice as many durable
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Medical equipment suppliers than mcdonald's.
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Hubert humphrey, who was a democrat,
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A business back in the 60s,
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Said there was
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The moral test of government
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To take care of those at the dawn of life are children.
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We cover 53% of all kids born in america on medicaid
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Or chips.
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Take care of those at the twilight of life, are seniors,
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And take care of those living in the shadows.
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People on drugs you work just can't get out of their own way.
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So our job is to take care
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Of our fellow man when they struggle.
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When you allow people to pilfer,
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Yeah, the pill for these entities
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And take advantage of our most vulnerable,
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We're abdicating our responsibility.
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And that's what i'm seeing.
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And again, it's not just blue states.
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We're seeing it in many places
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And we're going to hold folks accountable.
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It is imperative
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That we buckle down
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And send a very clear message that what started in wesson
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Weaponized when covid is done, we're not going to tolerate
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This is a new sheriff in town.
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We're coming after you.
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And i tell you,
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The vice
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President, we've
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Had significant discussions around this, colin,
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The team with andrew ferguson, that whole team around him
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That he's brought in
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Is getting everyone working together on you
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Bring all the fingers together, you make a fist,
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And we're going to pound hard until we clean up
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But cause problems.
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Change regulations.
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If you're going to like, get these grants
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Or this reimbursements that you have to enforce,
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Certain things or get rid of these waiver program,
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Could you do something like that?
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We're actively doing good.
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We have we have rulemaking that i'm not
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Supposed to speak about till we actually publish them.
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But a lot of it is the federal government doing its job, too.
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But but, you know, we i inherited an agency.
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I think it's fantastic.
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But we had definite shortcomings.
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I'd say that this failure was across all of government.
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It's can we keep you for like
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Five more minutes just a podcast exclusive.
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I would never leave you early. all right.
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Very good.
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Doctor oz, the man, the myth, the legend
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Who's doing great work for the federal government.
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Who's doing great work for the federal government.
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So, you talked
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About why this was allowed to continue.
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I think this is a deep
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Ideological sickness within the left.
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I think that they see it
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As either a form of reparations or political patronage.
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Like you said, that they're paying off
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Their voting constituents.
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And these are states, new york, california, that are losing
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Jobs, that are losing
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Productive class citizenry to red states.
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This is a way to backfill the tax base
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As a way to keep people, you know, happy, fed.
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But i think it's it's a it's a form of they
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They feel like the white man or the, the capitalist
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Or whatever their boogeyman is have pilfered from them.
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So they're going to pilfer and make sure
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That the immigrant class, the black and brown
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Class is, is, compensated, fairly.
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I don't think they want to see this stuff.
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I don't
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I genuinely think they want to turn a blind eye to it
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Because they know it's happening.
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And they want it to happen.
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That's my opinion.
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You don't have to agree with it.
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Explain just the ideology that you think because you're
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You're coming into this agency and working with the state,
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You're seeing it. what's driving them?
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What do you think it is?
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I think after obamacare,
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When the percentage of the federal government
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Contribution to the state government went up,
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It, people began to figure out
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They might be able to gain this.
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Now everyone sort of realized there was a risk here.
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But is there a war in the patriarchy?
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Yeah, that's an obviously issue
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We could talk about quite a bit,
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But within this i don't have to assess motivation.
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I can just assess action.
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What you are doing is actively destroying our country.
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Yeah.
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And you're destroying programs that i personally
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Have worked in my whole life and i love.
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Medicare is an incredibly effective crown jewel
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Of our social safety net.
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Every american can work their life
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As hard as they want, and if they can't work for them,
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They still okay.
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By age 65, you can go on medicare.
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We will take care of you.
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There are no hungry old people in the streets
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Dying of treatable illnesses.
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All this happens
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In an unmonitored setting, so the entire program
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Of these nontraditional services in medicaid
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Are built in a handshake.
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And trust is is a it's a floating entity.
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It's like fizzy water on your tongue.
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If you don't take care of it and protect it, it disappears.
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And when people stop trusting medicaid,
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They will stop paying into it.
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And we will abandon americans if that happens.
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So we don't let that happen.
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You. because
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Like anybody
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Who loves a program, you'll do even difficult things
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To save it. and that's what we're up to.
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You know, blake tells a story.
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I don't know where you got this,
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But i know i got it from you. it was an asian culture.
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I know if it's japan or south korea, but, a man caught,
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An america, japan, japan trying to jaywalk.
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And the man stopped the person and said, basically,
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If i let you jaywalk like this is the downfall
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Of civilization begins with the individual that is
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Is that is that how you raise your kids? yes.
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You know, that's why the all of this matters.
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It's like i'm telling you, it's like,
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You know,
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The old adage is like
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The individual a sin if it doesn't hurt somebody
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That my my individual choices, they don't hurt them,
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So i'm allowed to do them.
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The downfall of civilization begins at the individual,
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And then you compound it
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Until you have $100 billion in fraud.
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And i just, i we'll wrap it here.
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Doctor, i, i think you are the perfect man for this job.
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It's like for such a time as this, you're taking it on
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With such zest and zeal and, you know, a grateful nation.
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Thanks.
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You genuinely thank you for how much energy
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You're bringing to this.
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And, you seem to have just a joy in doing your job.
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And that's what we need in the federal government.
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So thank you.
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You know,
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I love my job, and i'm blessed to be able to say this.
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The president once in a while because
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I love being a heart surgeon.
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I mean, i did the best job in the world.
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You get to look people in the eyes
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And you're there for each other.
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It's rewarding every single day.
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I loved hosting the show.
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Like you, i get to talk to folks
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Every single day and
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And try to share insights that might be beneficial.
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But this is unique
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Because i'm in the change business like you are,
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And the ability to go out there and fix problems
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Instead of just complaining about them exists.
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So let me leave you with one request.
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We're out there recruiting people to come join us,
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Not just to call in when you have problems and tips,
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But i actually want more people in the agency.
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We're going to recruit a thousand more people, folks
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Who understand the passion that we all have and share it.
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And if you're thinking about it, you're watching home
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And you're thinking, oh, is going to hell.
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We got to fix this problem. come join us.
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Start rowing the oars with us. there's lots to do.
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We got a lot of turning
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Point students that are graduating too.
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So i know an entry level that it's not an accident i'm here.
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Yeah, i'm recruiting from turning point.
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Yeah, i love it, i love it.
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Hey. final thought, actually, i lied.
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Maha, do you have a word for maha?
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You're you're a health guy.
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It's such an important part of our coalition.
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You know, i love maha.
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Every part about it.
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The secretary is a fantastic boss at every level.
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He's passionate.
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He will not take no for an answer.
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When he locks in the thing, she goes after it.
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I think the the the changes to
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The dietary guidelines are so important
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Because they reverse the hypocrisy
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That has afflicted our nation for decades.
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And now we're asking all the
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Hospitals in the country to sign a pledge
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To use those same guidelines in their food,
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All the schools to do the same.
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And we are pushing as hard as possible
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To get lots of other problems
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That i think
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Are making it hard in america to raise healthy kids.
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And i say that because
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Moms will say frequently to me, hey, listen, i know my mom.
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I know she's struggled with me, raising me,
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But it's not like i'm having a problem with my kids.
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They're sick.
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They've got these issues that i just can't get ahead of.
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And maha, fundamentally
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Is about making it easy to be healthy
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And to answer the hard questions.
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You've got to be curious.
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And i pledge to you
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That's what secretary kennedy is more than anything else.
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He's curious.
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He's also courageous when he learns things and, and
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And we see problems.
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We tell you about immediately.
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And we ought to be compassionate,
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Because there are a lot of folks who don't understand.
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They're scared by what maha is trying to do,
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But i think it is fundamentally the most important thing
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We can do to improve the the guy who takes my job next,
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Because we cannot afford to be twice as expensive
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In our health care system as any other country
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On the planet,
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And we're twice as expensive because we're twice as sick.
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And a lot of that's because we have, again,
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Made it hard to be healthy in america.
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Let's turn that around.
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I know you got, you got to go.
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Doctor. it's been a pleasure. thank you again for your time.
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I know there's always been a great joy.
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Dr. Oz: May 14, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today

May 14, 2026 | 23:29

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