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Charlie Kirk Today | Erika Kirk: April 30, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | April 30, 2026
- You guys are welcome to ask anything.
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- Open mic disagreement.
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- Most welcome to disagree.
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- Come to the front of the line if you disagree.
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- Come to the front of the line.
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- If you disagree, go to the front of the line.
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- You guys know how it works. you disagree. go to the line.
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- We'll have a great conversation here. who are you?
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- My name is charlie kirk, and i love america.
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- Why are you here?
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- Because i love talking with people i disagree with.
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- What have you done for your country?
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- Started an organization
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- That's now on 1000 plus campuses
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- To save the greatest culture and country ever to exist.
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- I love talking to people i disagree with.
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- When people stop talking, that's when you get violence.
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- That's when civil war gets.
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- It seems to me that
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- Nothing will ever be enough for the evil in this world.
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- Our country has become unrecognizable.
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- These people have perverted the truth to the point
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- That they motivated the murder of my husband.
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- They have continuously tried to assassinate the president,
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- And anyone who stands in their way is labeled hateful,
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- Racist, fascist,
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- And every other trigger word that is grossly dishonest.
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- We want the best for our country.
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- They don't.
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- This is why charlie started turning point usa
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- In the first place.
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- He didn't trust the radicalized liberal teachers.
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- And this past saturday, it was a school teacher
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- Of all people, a school teacher that attempted
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- To change our history for the worst with bullets.
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- And everyone is asking
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- Why even went to the white house correspondents dinner.
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- And it was because many of the journalists in that room
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- Have attempted to dehumanize me.
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- And i wanted to meet some of them face to face,
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- Quite frankly.
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- Why have a conversation about me
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- When you can have a conversation with me?
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- So, for example, a journalist from the daily
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- Mail came up to me.
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- She introduced
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- Herself and she was saying she was very gracious.
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- She was saying, you look so beautiful.
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- I'm so sorry for your loss.
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- To which i replied, it is so nice
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- To put a name to the face,
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- Especially with all of the slander, the lies, accusations
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- That are out there
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- Surrounding my husband's murder and myself.
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- And i said to her, you know what's so interesting?
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- This is my first time
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- At the white house correspondents dinner,
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- And i find it so fascinating,
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- The dynamic that is going on right now,
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- Because everyone is all dressed up
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- And you guys are co-mingling
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- In and out of each other's cocktail parties.
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- And so for one night,
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- You are able to put aside all of your differences
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- For the sake of freedom of speech.
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- And then by monday morning, things will go back
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- To being an absolute bloodbath between all of you.
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- To which she replied, literally.
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- She said, i know.
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- Isn't it special, right?
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- Isn't tonight so special?
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- And following that
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- Conversation, it was time to take our seats.
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- And we went to the big ballroom where the dinner was.
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- And one of the first things i noticed
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- When i walked into
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- That room was quite literally, the proximity
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- Of the opposing outlets to one another.
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- So you have one table here
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- That's politico and another table here,
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- That's fox and another table here, that's wapo.
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- And you're all crammed together, elbow to elbow.
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- And to make the night even more of a spectacle,
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- Every single ten person table had ten bottles of wine.
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- And the president of the white house
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- Correspondents association, she did a great job of trying
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- To make the evening, have that feeling of americana.
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- You know, we were in a room
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- Celebrating freedom of speech despite our differences.
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- And the us marine band performed the national anthem
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- So beautifully.
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- And then shortly thereafter,
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- Gunshots rang out and total chaos ensued.
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- And you guys have all
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- Seen what happened
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- Next, because there are a thousand videos of it.
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- So let's
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- Discuss that fact for a second.
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- If you were in that room,
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- You had no way of knowing what
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- The status of the shooter was, how many there were,
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- Or honestly really anything, it was just utter chaos.
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- And so during an act of shooting,
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- These journalists are using their phones
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- To find moments to capture for clips.
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- They were so concerned about getting a video in a room
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- With an active shooter that they could have accidentally,
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- And quite literally, filmed themselves being shot.
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- Many of those people have become
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- So desensitized that fight or flight
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- Became secondary to the opportunity
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- Of putting themselves
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- Into the story, which ironically breaks
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- The number one rule of journalism.
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- And again, ironically enough, the shooter was a teacher.
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- You have these people who are supposed to be
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- Teaching our children the future of this country.
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- And he's so unhinged that he's able to teach children by day
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- And then attempt to murder the president of the united
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- States by night.
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- And in his manifesto, he
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- Starts by contextualizing himself, by saying,
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- I am a citizen of the united states of america.
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- And while we may have big problems
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- With illegal immigration in this country,
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- I have to tell you, we have an even bigger problem
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- When it comes to the systemic indoctrination
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- And radicalization of our own citizens.
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- This is what got my husband killed.
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- This is what has led to three
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- Legitimate attempts on president trump's life.
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- And i can speak firsthand
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- To that unbearable toll
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- That this must take on our first lady.
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- There has never been a president who has faced this
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- Many assassination attempts in america's entire history.
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- And after each one, the reaction from the far left
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- Has been, at best, a shrug and in some cases
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- A sick disappointment that the shooter was unsuccessful.
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- We are all human beings.
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- And if you can just
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- If you can just pause
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- And just take a minute and ask yourself,
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- How would you feel
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- If even just one person made cruel
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- Jokes about the attempted murder of your loved one?
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- That is what jimmy kimmel did to the first lady.
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- He said that she had the glow
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- Of an expected widow.
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- The glow of an expected widow, just 48 hours
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- Before that nightmare almost became a reality.
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- In this culture we're living in
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- Absorbs disagreement as a form of personal betrayal.
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- It turns having an opposing viewpoint
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- Into a moral crime worthy of punishment.
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- And here's what i've realized through all of this truly
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- Having lived through quite literal
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- Hell these past seven months.
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- If you strip someone of their humanity
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- Long enough, you will arrive at the chilling conclusion
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- That they don't deserve to exist at all.
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- Every morning i wake up
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- To a new headline lying about me.
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- I have comedians dressing up in white face.
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- I have people saying i'm not fit to be ceo,
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- And i have candace owens claiming i murdered my husband.
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- And the list goes on and on
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- And on.
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- There is a serious epidemic
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- Of dehumanization plaguing this country.
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- The most unthinkable tragedies
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- Have now become commonplace in our daily headlines.
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- And yet the media finds a way
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- To conveniently explain away violence.
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- This is what we're up against.
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- What is happening right now is something
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- None of us can afford to ignore.
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- The evil forces working to divide us, to distract us
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- And to pull us apart has never been stronger.
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- This is a moment for americans to come together and decide
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- What kind of country we are going to be before we
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- Lose our country altogether.
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- In romans chapter 12, verse 21, it says,
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- Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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- And this is why my husband
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- Created turning point usa, so we could have civil
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- Discourse and debate and open dialog.
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- Because when we stop
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- Talking to each other, bad things happen.
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- I am choosing to fight for america, for my children,
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- For your children, and for our humanity.
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- Because we all need to do our part
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- And by the grace of god, we will succeed
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- And america will remain what she was always called to be.
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- A shining city on a hill.
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- A light to the world.
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- Let me give you a perfect example of how it's done.
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- My husband did it best and left us the blueprint
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- On how to have uncomfortable conversations
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- With those who disagree.
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- With those who disagree.
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- I have a question which is
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- Also kind of a disagreement, but i want to build it up.
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- Okay.
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- So, of course, you just said jesus
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- Is the most important thing for everyone out here.
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- And so can you please explain to everyone out here
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- What jesus stood for
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- And especially
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- The qualities of love, how to love your neighbor,
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- Even if they don't agree with you?
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- So what is your name again? to least to least.
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- That's a beautiful question. i'm glad you came up to ask it.
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- But i want to also just add something because you're right.
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- Jesus fully embodied two things simultaneously
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- That showed his divine and his godly nature.
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- Because it's not that jesus said good things.
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- Jesus is lord, christ is king, and jesus is god.
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- On top of just being a guy with a lot of good ideas.
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- So john eight, if i'm drawing from memory
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- Correctly, best embodies both christ's mercy and love,
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- But also his commitment to truth.
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- And sometimes
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- In the modern gospel, we overemphasize the grace
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- And we under emphasize the truth.
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- And so we are far too willing to say, hey,
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- Jesus loves everybody,
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- But we don't get to the second part
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- Of the conversation that says, jesus
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- Doesn't want you to live in sin.
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- So this is in john eight.
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- It's best embodied, right?
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- Almost every christian in this audience will be able
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- To tell you the first part of this,
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- Which is a bunch of sadducees and pharisees
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- Are sitting around, standing around with rocks
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- And they're about to stone the prostitute woman.
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- And jesus comes up and says, let the first among you
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- Without sin cast the first stone.
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- And everyone starts dropping the rocks.
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- But what comes next shows that christ is not just grace
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- Focused. he's simultaneously truth focused.
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- He goes up to the woman who had a career
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- In selling herself for sex and said, sin no more.
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- Now imagine today how much trouble you would get in
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- If you would go up to somebody and say, stop
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- Sinning, that, oh, you're being too judgmental.
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- No, no, you're actually being christ like.
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- So jesus stood.
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- He was 100% grace and truth.
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- And that tension
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- Is very hard in a modern world
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- Because we want to overemphasize
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- Grace when in reality christ loves us too
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- Much to have us continue to live in sin.
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- He wants us to try to elevate our actions, to glorify
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- God in all that we do.
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- I agree 100%.
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- And so to build on my question, i really want to talk
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- About the i.
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- And so with our christian, i will agree with you
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- A lot of i read the bible for myself,
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- So i knew what that scripture said.
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- But my question is
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- How can christian teaching on love, equity, and justice
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- Inform and shape discussions on diversity,
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- Equity and inclusion in today's society?
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- And so to also jesus hung out with sinners.
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- He did not judge. he told the truth.
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- And so i think that a lot of people in society today,
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- When we talk about political views,
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- Our opposition, we judge them because we think, oh,
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- Because you voted for trump.
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- You you agree on everything
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- When that's not the case, right?
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- And and i want you to talk about that.
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- So so and then i'll connect it to
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- And i'm going to make a case
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- I don't know if it will be persuasive to do.
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- Why i think dei is unbiblical.
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- And i'm going to try to make that case okay.
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- But first let me talk about a comment on your astute point,
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- Which is that
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- Christ wants us to be around people that are not like us.
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- This is why i go to college campuses,
- 00:12:55.121 --> 00:12:56.590
- But more and more i go to college campuses.
- 00:12:56.590 --> 00:12:58.124
- I'm getting a lot of big crowds,
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- So it's kind of unusual.
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- I used to go here and, you know,
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- Get heckled and have very small crowds.
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- But let me demonstrate this in an unusual way.
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- Almost every person in this
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- Audience would say,
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- Christ wants us to be salt and light.
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- Now, what are the two characteristics of salt
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- And light?
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- They change the environments that they come in contact with.
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- They do not affirm.
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- They do not conform.
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- They change for the better.
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- That's very important. everybody.
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- We as
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- Christians are called
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- To change the environment that we come in touch with.
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- How's it going?
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- So, i'm a born again believer in jesus and.
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- But i want to hear your thoughts, charlie,
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- Because sometimes i really struggle to align myself,
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- With the conservative side of the issues in our country
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- And multiple experiences in my life.
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- Whether it be it was just conversation
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- That somebody picked up or whatever.
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- How i look, whatever it may be, assumptions,
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- My political views or where i'm leaning have blocked
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- And gotten in front
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- Of what i really believe in, which is advancing the gospel.
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- And so my issue sometimes is that, i want to be patriotic.
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- I want to, you know, vote for and be public about that,
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- Which i think is best for my country.
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- But i don't want it to get in front of my main goal
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- When i feel like
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- I've been placed here on this earth,
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- For which is advancing the gospel to all people.
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- Not just conservatives, not just people
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- Who are comfortable walking in the church,
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- But the far left of the left who are in their season of life
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- For reasons i don't know, and i don't want what i believe
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- To be best for this country, to get in the way
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- Of what's going to ultimately grow the kingdom of god.
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- It's a great question. oh, what's your name?
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- Matt. matt. thank you.
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- Let's let's repeat what you said because it's correct.
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- The most important thing in the world
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- Is to know christ and make him known.
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- The second most important thing,
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- Though, is to make sure you can do the first thing.
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- Yeah. that's where i come in.
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- You're focusing your life. the number one.
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- I'm focusing a majority, my life.
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- And number two, what i mean by that
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- During covid, they called the church non-essential.
- 00:14:58.778 --> 00:15:01.348
- Yet they left strip clubs, open marijuana dispensaries, home
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- Depot and lowe's.
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- But they said the bride of christ was unessential.
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- Nonessential.
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- Know they always say separation of church and state.
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- Why is it then that the state
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- Could come in and shut down the church?
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- You see, what we see is that when we stop
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- Caring about politics,
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- Is the government so big it starts persecuting
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- Our religious liberty and our freedom.
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- And it's not a contradiction.
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- In fact,
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- If you look at the conservative agenda, it is it is far.
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- It's a far greater fit
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- With a biblical worldview than anything on the left.
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- And i'm sure you agree with that, right?
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- God created man and woman. when does life begin?
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- Strong borders.
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- It says in the scriptures jeremiah 29 seven
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- Demand the welfare of the nation that you are in,
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- Because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.
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- So we should care about our nation.
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- In fact, daniel fasted and prayed for his country.
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- Esther, mordecai, nehemiah, jeremiah.
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- Joseph.
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- In fact, we are called to be counselors to the king,
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- Where we're called to be the moral conscience of a nation.
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- And so if we want to know christ and make him known,
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- We must have one ingredient a free society.
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- It is hard to know christ and make him known in countries
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- Where the gospel is not ought to be told
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- On the side of the street, like china or north korea.
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- And that's not an exaggeration.
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- When christians failed to care about politics,
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- Politics will start caring about christian,
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- And we must understand that we are the recipients
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- And the inheritors of a country
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- That was founded by christians so the gospel can spread.
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- And so i don't think it's a contradiction in at all.
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- I don't think that it's, what's best for the country,
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- I think is actually best for the kingdom.
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- And let's pretend america falls.
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- Let's say america collapses.
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- Do you know that?
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- Well, over 90% of all international mission
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- Funding comes from the united states?
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- Yeah, i can believe it that most missionaries
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- Come from 5% of the world's population.
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- Here we are populating the earth
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- And africa and south america
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- With people who love the lord, that come with money,
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- That come with resources, that come with,
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- You know, clean water equipment.
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- If america were to fall, the gospel would not spread as far.
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- In fact, the world is becoming more
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- Christian because of america's wealth, our generosity
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- And our track record.
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- To say that
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- We're going to stand for our fellow man
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- And love our neighbor as ourselves.
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- So i don't see any contradiction.
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- I just see a difference in the same mission.
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- Your mission is first and foremost
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- To win people of christ.
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- I try to do that every day,
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- But my mission is to make sure that you can do that
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- Without being arrested or thrown in a gulag.
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- Thank you. god bless you.
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- Thank you. god bless you.
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- Are you an atheist?
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- Sorry to interrupt, but. oh, yeah. yeah. okay, cool.
- 00:17:30.130 --> 00:17:31.431
- So let me just.
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- Can i ask you a question?
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- And i don't mean
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- I know this is your first time at the mic,
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- So i'm just going to try to be tender and doing this, okay.
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- Appreciate it.
- 00:17:37.270 --> 00:17:38.338
- So you don't believe in objective morality, right?
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- I personally don't okay.
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- Was the holocaust objectively wrong?
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- Objectively, no.
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- But even better if it didn't happen
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- Because most people wouldn't want that to happen.
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- So that's that's where we that's
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- Where we are on different planets.
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- And that's okay.
- 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:54.521
- I'm not trying to make fun of you.
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- I'm trying to be graceful
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- In the way that we're going about this.
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- Do you think hitler was objectively evil?
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- No, because it's subjective.
- 00:18:01.628 --> 00:18:04.130
- But i just hope all of you guys understand
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- He's being an honest atheist to your credit.
- 00:18:06.633 --> 00:18:09.335
- Because as an atheist, you're not allowed to say
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- Anything is objectively right or wrong.
- 00:18:11.304 --> 00:18:13.473
- I come from a worldview
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- That when you butcher
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- 6 million people, that is objectively wrong
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- No matter what.
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- And and it's very important.
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- It's a very important truth claim
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- Because when you do not have
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- Objective truth
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- Anchoring your society, then it becomes a power struggle.
- 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.489
- If you do not have truth, then power will reign.
- 00:18:29.489 --> 00:18:32.091
- Whoever can get the most amount of power
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- Then ends up having the most amount of say over society.
- 00:18:33.693 --> 00:18:38.031
- We believe what is objectively right, true,
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- Good and beautiful should be transcendent over society.
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- Your thoughts?
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- So do you believe objective morality
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- Specifically comes from the bible?
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- Yes and no.
- 00:18:47.407 --> 00:18:48.541
- It's also it's in nature and the bible explains nature.
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- So objective morality can be discovered
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- In many different cultures and societies,
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- Pointing towards what we believe
- 00:18:55.281 --> 00:18:56.716
- Is the ultimate objective truth jesus christ.
- 00:18:56.716 --> 00:18:59.185
- C.s. lewis explain this the best in his book
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- Abolition of man, which is that
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- Almost every religion talks about a certain way
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- To live, a door or a path that we should be on.
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- And so more, more simply than just the bible.
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- We believe in what the founders believed,
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- Which is an ethical monotheism, that there is one god.
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- He has a general way that he wants you to live.
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- For example, murdering is bad, kidnaping is wrong,
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- Defense of the innocent.
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- And we should do our best to try
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- To live alongside of that path.
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- Okay, well, i think those are very interesting examples.
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- You bring up the founders, you bring up hitler.
- 00:19:33.419 --> 00:19:35.321
- But hitler was a self-proclaimed catholic,
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- And he called nazis some, christian movements.
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- Yeah. i would be careful saying that he was.
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- He was not. that's okay.
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- He called himself a catholic.
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- He said he specifically said in
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- 1927, our movement is christian.
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- They had on the belt buckles.
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- God on our side.
- 00:19:49.035 --> 00:19:49.936
- Yet they swear to the almighty god.
- 00:19:49.936 --> 00:19:53.373
- Atheists were not trusted to be in the ss,
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- Even if i grant you that, despite the fact
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- That he killed a lot of pastors and priests and
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- There, of course you can pervert things
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- In the name of god, no one denounces that.
- 00:20:03.116 --> 00:20:05.918
- Just as a side note, though,
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- Far more people died under the banner of atheism
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- Than christianity in the 20th century.
- 00:20:09.622 --> 00:20:11.891
- Mao was an atheist.
- 00:20:11.891 --> 00:20:13.092
- Stalin was an atheist.
- 00:20:13.092 --> 00:20:14.327
- Pol pot was an atheist.
- 00:20:14.327 --> 00:20:15.862
- Believing in no god actually led to the destruction.
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- The murder of well over 100 million people.
- 00:20:18.631 --> 00:20:20.867
- And that's fine.
- 00:20:20.867 --> 00:20:21.934
- So again, if atheists want to come alongside us
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- As conservatives and fight for what is good, that is great.
- 00:20:24.871 --> 00:20:28.041
- But i will never acknowledge that atheists can tell me
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- What is objectively good.
- 00:20:30.677 --> 00:20:31.978
- They can only give me a preference.
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- They cannot tell me what is right,
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- And preferences eventually will lead you
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- Towards moral and societal decline.
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- Okay, so
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- I think you just listed a bunch of communists
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- And it's worth acknowledging the vast
- 00:20:44.324 --> 00:20:45.725
- Majority of atheists are not communists,
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- Just like the vast majority.
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- Christians are not theocratic
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- Who don't support the divine right.
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- It's also worth acknowledging
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- That the founders were actually inspired
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- By enlightenment values, not by the bible.
- 00:20:54.667 --> 00:20:57.570
- America as a secular nation, we were the first,
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- Chronicled godless constitution.
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- Yeah, again, i've done this so many times,
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- So i don't know if we want to
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- Waste our time doing this,
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- But 55 out of 56 of the signers of the declaration were bible
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- Believing, church attending christians,
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- 9 to 13 of the states at the time of ratification
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- Required a declaration of faith
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- In order for you to serve in the states.
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- We were our birth certificate,
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- Which is the mayflower compact set.
- 00:21:18.925 --> 00:21:20.259
- Explicitly, we are here to spread
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- Christianity throughout the land.
- 00:21:21.861 --> 00:21:23.196
- It was the first great revival
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- That led
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- To the american revolution of jonathan edwards
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- And jonathan
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- Mayhew and george whitfield
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- That preached all across the eastern seaboard.
- 00:21:28.901 --> 00:21:31.037
- John adams famously said, the constitution is written
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- Solely for a moral and religious people.
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- It's wholly inadequate for the people of any other.
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- We were a christian nation that was able to embrace
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- The idea of a free society.
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- God has mentioned four times
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- In the declaration of independence
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- Not only that jesus christ is mentioned
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- In the declaration of planets, where it says,
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- We appeal to the divine judge of the universe,
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- Which of course is a direct appeal to jesus.
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- In the book of revelation.
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- Yes, there were rationalist enlightenment values
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- That informed some of the founders,
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- But it irrefutably was a christian nation.
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- Maryland was catholic, pennsylvania was quaker.
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- Almost every state had their own.
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- The specific type of christian preference,
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- The idea of an atheist or not believing in
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- Any god was an idea that was so foreign
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- To the founders, even thomas jefferson, the great deist.
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- He revered the bible, albeit with, you know,
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- Some significant edits.
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- However, the idea of believing in no cosmological
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- Or no axial logical
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- Or no teleological or no ontological being
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- Would be a concept
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- That our founding fathers are not just fine for,
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- And they would find it extraordinarily dangerous. why?
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- Because the french revolution was happening simultaneously
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- As the american revolution, which was explicitly atheist.
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- They actually recreated their own gods.
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- And had they
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- Said, we are going to appeal to what the god of reason.
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- And this is my final contention,
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- Is that when i talk to atheists,
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- The french revolution is a great example.
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- They literally tried to change
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- The gregorian calendar to a ten day week.
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- They went and imprisoned people of faith.
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- They put priests in jail,
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- All these different sorts of things.
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- They said, we are going to appeal to the god of reason.
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- Well, how did that work out?
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- It worked out with the guillotine
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- And the slaughter of tens of thousands of people.
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- The french revolution was one of the greatest disasters
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- In human recorded history.
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- Contrast that with the american revolution.
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- Why did the american revolution create the greatest nation
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- Ever to exist in the history of the world?
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- And the french revolution resulted in a lot of blood,
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- And even the killing of their own
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- Once leader, maximilien robespierre.
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- It's because we were anchored on christian ideas.
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- If you don't,
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- If you are not anchored on
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- Christian ideas, then don't be surprised.
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- And all of a sudden there is no fruit to harvest
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- That you're trying to create.
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