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Charlie Kirk Today | Frank Turek: December 4, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | December 4, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- I'm blake now for going to be talking
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- To frank turk about the sabbath
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- And charlie's upcoming book in just a moment.
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- But first, we wanted to use this segment
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- At the top of this hour to say something important.
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- Something very important.
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- For the past two and a half months,
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- There is a topic
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- That has flooded our freedom inbox.
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- It has been nonstop on social media,
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- But which we have almost totally avoided on this show.
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- You probably already know what i'm talking about,
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- Which shows just how ubiquitous it has been
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- Ever since charlie's murder.
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- Candace owens has leveled a flood of allegations
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- Against people at turning point usa, people at turning point
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- Action, and people who work for this show.
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- She's made them against some of charlie's
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- Closest friends
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- And against some of his most dedicated employees.
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- She has suggested that michael mccoy, charlie's
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- Chief of staff, knew charlie would be murdered,
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- Was happy that he died, and stayed silent
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- Because he was told he would be the next charlie.
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- She is suggested michael is not his real name.
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- It is.
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- I have seen his birth certificate myself.
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- She has called it suspicious that mike, his wife,
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- Who works at turning point,
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- Helped plan the campus tour event
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- Where charlie was murdered, which she didn't, by the way,
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- She doesn't work on campus events.
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- Candace has suggested the utah valley university event
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- Was unusual, and it's a detail suggested a quote inside job.
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- She has claimed that foreign aircraft have followed
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- Erika kirk around the country,
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- And that turning point has lied about this happening.
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- She has accused us of lying about charlie wanting
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- Erica to take over for him if he died.
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- She has suggested charlie security team
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- Intentionally denied him
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- First aid after the shooting to ensure that he died.
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- She has raised suspicions
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- About the head of our technical team
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- Because he took an sd card out of a camera.
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- She has spread absurd claims that tyler bowyer,
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- Who we just had on the show, sexually abuses male interns.
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- She has suggested that tpo usa faith affiliated pastors
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- Like theologian frank turek, who will have on in a moment
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- And pastor rob mccoy are part of a military
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- Infiltration of turning point,
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- Either because they are veterans
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- Or because they have family members who are,
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- Even if not everyone has been named specifically,
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- Though, candace has effectively tarred
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- Everyone here with complicity in charlie's death
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- By repeatedly saying he was, quote, betrayed
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- By, quote, everyone she has said.
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- Charlie's murder quote
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- Had to be approved by charlie's friends
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- And then suggested those friends
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- Might have her murdered too, for, quote, knowing the truth,
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- She has
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- Made claims of financial impropriety and fraud
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- At turning point, adding up
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- Into the millions of dollars, which again is not true.
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- Charlie made sure the organization
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- Was audited by a third party every year.
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- He personally reviewed,
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- And he signed off on every expense report
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- And literally every single bill paid by the organization
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- Down to a single united states dollar.
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- We have never missed a 990 deadline.
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- Candace has made other stranger allegations involving
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- French paratroopers in maroon shirts,
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- Egyptian air force planes flying out of provo, utah,
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- And potential underground assassins
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- Traveling through unseen tunnels.
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- At this, at one point in early november,
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- She started wildly throwing suspicion on members
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- Of utah valley's soccer team for wearing hoodies.
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- I could go on.
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- There is always something new coming up,
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- And none of it ever pans out because from the start
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- There has been nothing there.
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- The attacks and allegations from candace are either lies
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- Or they are innuendos thrown around with a total
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- Reckless disregard for the truth,
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- So that candace can manipulate and string along an audience
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- Of people who don't realize they are being played.
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- Instead of being able to grieve properly.
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- After one of the most heinous murders in american history,
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- A murder many of us had to witness,
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- My friends have had to endure harassment from people
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- Who have gotten whipped up by what candace is saying.
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- In fact,
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- I would say we have suffered more harassment
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- From these people than we have from antifa supporters
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- Who overtly celebrate charlie's murder.
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- And just like a lot of those antifa members,
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- Many of these people take this delight.
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- And how gross and unpleasant they can be.
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- What our friends have had to
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- Endure is not funny, and it's not insignificant.
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- It is evil. i have seen it
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- For months.
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- We have received hundreds, thousands, i suspect,
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- Emails and calls asking us to respond.
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- People have wanted us
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- To invite candace on the show, but for a long time
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- Our approach was to say nothing.
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- We did that for several reasons.
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- First, we first, we thought that her provocations
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- Were so absurd that nobody would believe them.
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- We shouldn't have to answer questions
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- About secret tunnels or egyptian air force planes.
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- That sort of thing is
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- Just it's beneath contempt to respond to.
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- The second reason we've said so little, though,
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- Is because there's a good rule of thumb
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- Which charlie followed.
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- Do not feed the trolls.
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- Focus on the mission.
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- Reviving america,
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- Uplifting young people, making heaven crowded.
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- Don't give air to people who want to tear you down
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- And sow discord.
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- Lastly, we didn't respond because
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- Charlie always viewed candace as a friend
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- And we were holding out hope that she would return
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- That friendship and stop what she was doing.
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- But a week from now, it's going to be three months.
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- Since charlie's murder, candace has not changed her behavior.
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- She has continued
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- To spread falsehoods about charlie's friends,
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- And she continues to concoct new ones about new people.
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- She's using these falsehoods to enrich herself
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- While dividing the conservative movement
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- At an absolutely critical time for this country.
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- And far too often we hear
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- Have heard from ordinary people,
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- People who loved charlie and who charlie loves so much.
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- In return,
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- These people have expressed the worry
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- That we are staying silent out of cowardice,
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- Or as
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- Some sort of tacit admission
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- That some of the attacks are true.
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- Neither is the case.
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- Our silence has never been, and it will never
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- Be equal to complacency or approval.
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- Still, we decided
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- Charlie would not allow this to go on.
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- Charlie was not a coward.
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- Charlie was a fighter.
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- Charlie would not allow someone to spread lies
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- About the people closest to him with impunity,
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- And he would feel ashamed if other people
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- Were stepping up to defend his friends.
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- While he never did so himself.
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- Candace has mentioned
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- Several times that the ball is in our court.
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- So here's what is going to happen in the near future.
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- There will be a live stream here in phoenix,
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- Where we address in a clear and comprehensive way,
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- The claims and accusations, the false accusations
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- That have been made against charlie's family, friends
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- And the people here at turning point.
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- We plan to walk through everything
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- Carefully and thoroughly.
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- If candace is available, we would sincerely
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- Welcome her participation in that live stream
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- At our studio here in phoenix.
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- At this point, we believe the ball is back in her court.
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- Our motivation for doing this is not out
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- Of any obligation to candace.
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- It is about honoring charlie.
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- We feel a deep responsibility to protect his legacy,
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- His work, and the truth.
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- I feel that i owe charlie everything in my life.
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- It i feel it immensely.
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- And that is why we feel
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- Compelled to speak clearly and openly. now.
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- We'll have more on this in the near future.
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- The wounds from october 7th
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- Didn't fade when the headlines did.
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- Behind me rises
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- A new rehabilitation home for israel's wounded soldiers.
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- One of many urgent projects israel needs right now.
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- Entire communities shattered.
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- Families displaced.
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- And each day,
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- The impact of the need grows even more overwhelming.
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- But the bible says it clearly.
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- The righteous will live by faith and by faith.
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- The fellowship is rolling up our sleeves
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- And stepping into this immense challenge.
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- Helping mothers who don't know where to begin again.
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- Standing with paralyzed heroes.
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- Fighting to take their first steps.
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- Building centers of healing for the wounded
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- And the traumatized.
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- Bringing food and comfort to elderly israelis
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- Who have no one else to care for them.
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- To see the life saving work of the fellowship.
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- Unfolding across israel right now.
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- Visit ifc's dawg.
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- Visit ifc's dawg.
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- Frank turek, are you there?
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- I wanted to take a chance, to talk about this.
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- So, you know, charlie did get the chance to finish
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- Stop in the name of god just before the tragedy.
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- We're we're extremely happy that he did that.
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- And it's out next.
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- I believe on the ninth tuesday.
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- Every book comes out on a tuesday for some reason.
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- And i know you're one of the pastors.
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- He was closest to you. there you do.
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- You got your advanced copy, and i just thought
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- I'd ask you throw out to you if you could talk about
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- What the sabbath means
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- And if you had it,
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- If you had any funny interactions
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- With charlie about his own relationship with the sabbath.
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- I'm sure he had that conversation with you.
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- Well, yeah.
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- Charlie was, wanting to keep the sabbath.
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- Not necessarily because he thought
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- It was an obligation,
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- But because he thought it was a fabulous idea that helped him
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- Recharge every week and refocus back on god and his family.
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- He would take, as you know, blake,
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- He would take his cell phone, turn it off,
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- Put it in a drawer, and for 24 to 30 hours over long,
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- The sabbath was you could not reach him,
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- Unless there was some sort of emergency.
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- There was a special line that people could call,
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- But he wanted to be out of touch
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- So he could be in touch with the lord
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- And in touch with his family.
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- And that's what he did.
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- And in this book,
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- I was shocked because he and i talked about this a lot.
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- And i knew you probably did, too. blake.
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- I was shocked at how good the book was because he's
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- Not a trained theologian, but man, did he do his research.
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- Blake.
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- And he's got chapters in here on, arguments
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- Why the sabbath is still in place
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- And and another chapter on why it's not.
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- And he, of course, lets the reader decide.
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- But he was so serious
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- About christianity, so serious about the bible
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- That, he wanted to put this down
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- Because it was such a blessing to him.
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- And if we're going to be serious about being christians,
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- Then we ought to follow the bible, too.
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- And unfortunately, i don't see people following the bible
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- And following the admonition to ensure
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- That you don't accuse people without evidence in this whole
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- Debate we're having over who really killed charlie.
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- It's a shame
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- If people took the bible as seriously as charlie did.
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- We wouldn't have.
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- What's going on with all this speculation now?
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- We were talking about charlie's book,
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- Stop in the name of god, out next tuesday.
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- All about why?
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- Say here why honoring the sabbath will transform
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- Your life.
- 00:11:54.674 --> 00:11:55.708
- I was only a second hand witness to that.
- 00:11:55.708 --> 00:11:58.812
- Charlie had only just recently, i believe, begun
- 00:11:58.812 --> 00:12:01.648
- His his weekly sabbath shabbat ritual around when i joined.
- 00:12:01.648 --> 00:12:06.219
- But i heard it.
- 00:12:06.219 --> 00:12:07.020
- I heard it overflow from everyone.
- 00:12:07.020 --> 00:12:08.321
- They would talk about how different charlie was,
- 00:12:08.321 --> 00:12:10.256
- How marriage, how becoming a father,
- 00:12:10.256 --> 00:12:12.192
- How it had it had softened his edges.
- 00:12:12.192 --> 00:12:14.460
- It had made him a more whole and complete person.
- 00:12:14.460 --> 00:12:17.397
- And i had the blessing to come in
- 00:12:17.397 --> 00:12:19.732
- Into the aftermath of that, where i would just tell,
- 00:12:19.732 --> 00:12:22.936
- I would tell my friends, i would tell these people,
- 00:12:22.936 --> 00:12:24.571
- I'm like this, this charlie guy, he's it's incredible
- 00:12:24.571 --> 00:12:27.907
- How impressive he is, how much he's able to achieve.
- 00:12:27.907 --> 00:12:31.010
- And we're here with frank turek.
- 00:12:31.010 --> 00:12:32.212
- Of course.
- 00:12:32.212 --> 00:12:33.413
- Frank, you were in the in the break for the radio people.
- 00:12:33.413 --> 00:12:35.615
- You were setting up.
- 00:12:35.615 --> 00:12:36.316
- How, about
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- We were talking about truth and untruth and lies,
- 00:12:38.418 --> 00:12:40.587
- And you're telling a story of caiaphas.
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- Do you want to continue that story?
- 00:12:42.322 --> 00:12:43.556
- Sure. yeah, yeah.
- 00:12:43.556 --> 00:12:44.724
- Caiaphas, the high priest who sentenced jesus to die,
- 00:12:44.724 --> 00:12:47.393
- Of course, did so much wrong.
- 00:12:47.393 --> 00:12:50.063
- He had a trial at night.
- 00:12:50.063 --> 00:12:51.231
- He was the judge, the jury, the executioner himself.
- 00:12:51.231 --> 00:12:54.300
- Well,
- 00:12:54.300 --> 00:12:55.134
- He had to get pilot to execute him,
- 00:12:55.134 --> 00:12:56.135
- But he already had the verdict in his mind.
- 00:12:56.135 --> 00:12:58.338
- He was not trying to discover the truth.
- 00:12:58.338 --> 00:13:00.540
- He already had the verdict in his mind.
- 00:13:00.540 --> 00:13:03.142
- And so he brought false witness after false witness to accuse
- 00:13:03.142 --> 00:13:06.546
- Jesus of something he did not do.
- 00:13:06.546 --> 00:13:09.382
- And and then ultimately, jesus under oath did admit
- 00:13:09.382 --> 00:13:14.587
- He was the messiah, did admit he he was essentially god.
- 00:13:14.587 --> 00:13:18.591
- And that's where, of course, caiaphas
- 00:13:18.591 --> 00:13:19.959
- Tore his robes and said, blasphemy, you must die.
- 00:13:19.959 --> 00:13:23.363
- But to that point he had done everything
- 00:13:23.363 --> 00:13:25.932
- Against the the proper use of authority.
- 00:13:25.932 --> 00:13:30.637
- You don't judge people.
- 00:13:30.637 --> 00:13:32.071
- You're not the judge, jury and executioner.
- 00:13:32.071 --> 00:13:34.240
- You don't find a verdict and then try and get people
- 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:37.844
- To falsely accuse the,
- 00:13:37.844 --> 00:13:40.546
- The, victim or the person on trial.
- 00:13:40.546 --> 00:13:44.217
- But that's what caiaphas did.
- 00:13:44.217 --> 00:13:45.351
- And i see too many people doing that. now.
- 00:13:45.351 --> 00:13:47.420
- They already have a verdict in their mind.
- 00:13:47.420 --> 00:13:50.156
- They can't substantiate it with hard evidence.
- 00:13:50.156 --> 00:13:52.525
- They have a lot of innuendo.
- 00:13:52.525 --> 00:13:53.660
- They have
- 00:13:53.660 --> 00:13:54.827
- A lot of coincidences, but they don't have hard evidence.
- 00:13:54.827 --> 00:13:56.663
- And they're they're looking
- 00:13:56.663 --> 00:13:58.631
- For a way to validate what they want to be true.
- 00:13:58.631 --> 00:14:02.502
- This is not the way our judicial system works.
- 00:14:02.502 --> 00:14:05.171
- Thankfully, it's not the way the bible puts it forth.
- 00:14:05.171 --> 00:14:08.574
- It's not the way which, by the way, our judicial system
- 00:14:08.574 --> 00:14:12.278
- And our laws are taken largely from the bible,
- 00:14:12.278 --> 00:14:16.115
- That you're supposed to have 2 or 3 witnesses.
- 00:14:16.115 --> 00:14:18.618
- Another we're supposed to have corroborating evidence,
- 00:14:18.618 --> 00:14:20.386
- Supposed to have impartial judges.
- 00:14:20.386 --> 00:14:21.988
- You supposed to have an independent, judiciary.
- 00:14:21.988 --> 00:14:25.258
- You're supposed to be able to confront the witnesses.
- 00:14:25.258 --> 00:14:27.694
- The bible talks about this,
- 00:14:27.694 --> 00:14:29.228
- And that's incorporated in our sixth amendment
- 00:14:29.228 --> 00:14:31.864
- To the united states constitution.
- 00:14:31.864 --> 00:14:33.533
- How can you confront
- 00:14:33.533 --> 00:14:35.101
- Witnesses in the court of public opinion?
- 00:14:35.101 --> 00:14:37.337
- You can't.
- 00:14:37.337 --> 00:14:38.938
- Not in a systematic way.
- 00:14:38.938 --> 00:14:40.740
- All this has to go to trial.
- 00:14:40.740 --> 00:14:42.942
- And and
- 00:14:43.176 --> 00:14:44.344
- And i understand, blake, and i know we're all suspicious
- 00:14:44.344 --> 00:14:48.147
- Of government sometimes, but we can't be cynics.
- 00:14:48.147 --> 00:14:51.217
- We can't say that every single thing
- 00:14:51.217 --> 00:14:53.186
- The government does is corrupt or wrong.
- 00:14:53.186 --> 00:14:56.055
- We can't do that.
- 00:14:56.489 --> 00:14:57.290
- We won't have a society if we do that.
- 00:14:57.290 --> 00:14:59.158
- Trailer was so great for gen z because he offered this model
- 00:14:59.158 --> 00:15:01.594
- Of strength and self-improvement.
- 00:15:01.594 --> 00:15:03.763
- Don't black pill, don't be downbeat.
- 00:15:03.763 --> 00:15:06.699
- You can improve yourself and make your life better.
- 00:15:06.699 --> 00:15:08.868
- 30s frank.
- 00:15:08.868 --> 00:15:10.670
- Yeah, i was also going to say it's
- 00:15:10.670 --> 00:15:11.671
- Not just about the sabbath two.
- 00:15:11.671 --> 00:15:13.006
- The first two chapters deal with the fact
- 00:15:13.006 --> 00:15:15.008
- That there's evidence that christianity is true.
- 00:15:15.008 --> 00:15:17.010
- It's more and apologetic, which is a word we use to say
- 00:15:17.010 --> 00:15:20.380
- We're giving evidence for what we believe.
- 00:15:20.380 --> 00:15:22.015
- It's an apologetic for christianity.
- 00:15:22.015 --> 00:15:24.250
- So it's not just about the sabbath.
- 00:15:24.250 --> 00:15:25.952
- It's a very well-written book, very well-researched book.
- 00:15:25.952 --> 00:15:29.255
- It comes out december 9th.
- 00:15:29.255 --> 00:15:30.656
- It's called stop in the name of god.
- 00:15:30.656 --> 00:15:32.058
- Why honoring the sabbath will transform your life.
- 00:15:32.058 --> 00:15:34.794
- Get it? amen. frank. it's,
- 00:15:34.794 --> 00:15:38.264
- I think people will be able to get a lot from it.
- 00:15:39.298 --> 00:15:41.567
- I think people are really going to appreciate it.
- 00:15:41.567 --> 00:15:43.236
- And i'm so happy he was able to finish it
- 00:15:43.236 --> 00:15:46.272
- Before he was taken from us by the hand of god.
- 00:15:46.272 --> 00:15:48.474
- We'll be right back.
- 00:15:48.474 --> 00:15:53.513
- That christmas morning.
- 00:15:54.013 --> 00:15:55.615
- Wise men brought gifts from outside the holy land.
- 00:15:55.615 --> 00:16:00.420
- But now that the war is over,
- 00:16:01.054 --> 00:16:04.057
- This holy land and her people
- 00:16:04.057 --> 00:16:05.958
- Are still carrying deep wounded.
- 00:16:05.958 --> 00:16:08.728
- Many of the elderly are alone and suffering
- 00:16:08.728 --> 00:16:12.398
- Like the wise men or wise women.
- 00:16:13.099 --> 00:16:16.335
- When you open your heart and give a special holiday food
- 00:16:16.335 --> 00:16:21.007
- Box to someone here in israel
- 00:16:21.007 --> 00:16:23.709
- This christmas chronicles season.
- 00:16:23.709 --> 00:16:26.779
- People like hannah who can't buy food.
- 00:16:26.779 --> 00:16:31.150
- That's where the fellowship is called to feed the hungry.
- 00:16:31.150 --> 00:16:35.388
- Please call, scan or go online now to help rush emergency
- 00:16:35.388 --> 00:16:39.459
- Food and healing to elderly jews
- 00:16:39.459 --> 00:16:41.561
- And their christian neighbors struggling
- 00:16:41.561 --> 00:16:43.329
- To rebuild their lives from the war.
- 00:16:43.329 --> 00:16:45.498
- What will happen when we make this holy day season?
- 00:16:45.498 --> 00:16:51.070
- Holy indeed.
- 00:16:51.070 --> 00:16:53.006
- Holy indeed.
- 00:16:53.006 --> 00:17:02.083
- Bill, you are one of
- 00:17:02.550 --> 00:17:03.451
- The three authors at powerline blog.
- 00:17:03.451 --> 00:17:06.254
- That is a blog so old.
- 00:17:06.254 --> 00:17:08.123
- I was reading it when i was in high school,
- 00:17:08.123 --> 00:17:10.325
- And i'm an old fuddy duddy here,
- 00:17:10.325 --> 00:17:12.427
- And powerline blog is one of the great american blogs.
- 00:17:12.427 --> 00:17:16.164
- They're guys in minnesota.
- 00:17:16.164 --> 00:17:17.799
- They're doing
- 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:18.366
- They're doing what
- 00:17:18.366 --> 00:17:19.534
- Any one of you out there could do, because i think a lot
- 00:17:19.534 --> 00:17:21.736
- Of your two fellow bloggers, i think, work as lawyers.
- 00:17:21.736 --> 00:17:24.439
- They're not just writers by trade.
- 00:17:24.439 --> 00:17:26.541
- And you guys have a lot of accomplishments.
- 00:17:26.541 --> 00:17:28.743
- You were some of the first guys to be talking about
- 00:17:28.743 --> 00:17:31.079
- These fraud stories that are happening.
- 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:32.881
- And most memorably, i've got a shot you out.
- 00:17:32.881 --> 00:17:35.517
- You were the original ones who wrote about ilhan omar
- 00:17:35.517 --> 00:17:39.154
- Marrying her brother. correct?
- 00:17:39.154 --> 00:17:41.523
- Correct, correct. she did marry her brother.
- 00:17:41.523 --> 00:17:43.391
- She did it tonight.
- 00:17:43.391 --> 00:17:44.392
- It was recently, i, i think an hour ago.
- 00:17:44.392 --> 00:17:47.228
- An hour ago.
- 00:17:47.562 --> 00:17:48.363
- Really?
- 00:17:48.363 --> 00:17:48.863
- As recently
- 00:17:48.863 --> 00:17:50.031
- As that, on top of that, was going to marry her brother.
- 00:17:50.031 --> 00:17:53.101
- But what she did, she did.
- 00:17:53.101 --> 00:17:54.936
- This should be investigated.
- 00:17:54.936 --> 00:17:55.970
- We. i'd really love to see.
- 00:17:55.970 --> 00:17:57.272
- I want the full story on that.
- 00:17:57.272 --> 00:17:58.640
- Somehow it's just treated like a total
- 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:01.042
- Like a total black box.
- 00:18:01.042 --> 00:18:02.143
- We just will never know the truth, somehow.
- 00:18:02.143 --> 00:18:03.745
- Absolute lunacy.
- 00:18:03.745 --> 00:18:05.213
- But the more recent thing that's been going
- 00:18:05.213 --> 00:18:07.148
- On, of course, is the somali fraud story.
- 00:18:07.148 --> 00:18:10.351
- It went viral
- 00:18:10.351 --> 00:18:11.352
- Because of a report
- 00:18:11.352 --> 00:18:12.854
- From chris rufo and ryan thorpe at city journal.
- 00:18:12.854 --> 00:18:15.123
- But you guys have
- 00:18:15.123 --> 00:18:16.357
- Justifiably pointed out
- 00:18:16.357 --> 00:18:17.892
- It has been known in the state of minnesota for a while,
- 00:18:17.892 --> 00:18:20.528
- And it's more that the nation is getting
- 00:18:20.528 --> 00:18:23.731
- It's coming to their attention,
- 00:18:23.731 --> 00:18:24.966
- And it's really wider than even
- 00:18:24.966 --> 00:18:26.367
- Just the list of stories in that.
- 00:18:26.367 --> 00:18:27.769
- I think we have a chart here that i want to bring up.
- 00:18:27.769 --> 00:18:31.406
- It's it's made by you.
- 00:18:31.406 --> 00:18:32.907
- It's just the scale of different fraud schemes
- 00:18:32.907 --> 00:18:35.843
- That have been unfolding in minnesota.
- 00:18:35.843 --> 00:18:37.378
- Can you lay that out for us?
- 00:18:37.378 --> 00:18:39.314
- Yeah.
- 00:18:39.547 --> 00:18:40.248
- So i created something i called
- 00:18:40.248 --> 00:18:41.182
- The scandal tracker for exactly the reasons
- 00:18:41.182 --> 00:18:43.418
- That you were pointing out before.
- 00:18:43.418 --> 00:18:45.019
- And the phrase that i use is minnesota.
- 00:18:45.019 --> 00:18:47.822
- This is a churchillian phrase.
- 00:18:47.822 --> 00:18:49.190
- Minnesota produces more news.
- 00:18:49.190 --> 00:18:50.558
- It can be consumed locally.
- 00:18:50.558 --> 00:18:52.393
- So we've had a couple of these huge industrial scale
- 00:18:52.393 --> 00:18:56.231
- Welfare frauds that have gone on to the state
- 00:18:56.231 --> 00:18:58.433
- And i think it was a reader of mine asks,
- 00:18:58.433 --> 00:19:01.603
- Well, what other scandal, how deep does this go?
- 00:19:01.603 --> 00:19:04.138
- And so i started putting together
- 00:19:04.138 --> 00:19:05.440
- This tracker where i have tracked 28
- 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:08.243
- Separate scandals involving money,
- 00:19:08.243 --> 00:19:11.212
- Taxpayer money, state or federal taxpayer money
- 00:19:11.212 --> 00:19:13.681
- That have been stolen through fraud.
- 00:19:13.681 --> 00:19:15.817
- And i need to update it because there was a new story
- 00:19:15.817 --> 00:19:18.152
- That came out in the last day or so, yet another fraud
- 00:19:18.152 --> 00:19:21.322
- Unrelated to the somali frauds that we've been talking about.
- 00:19:21.322 --> 00:19:24.759
- And, some of those numbers are kind of low as,
- 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:27.362
- As federal investigators or state investigators.
- 00:19:27.362 --> 00:19:30.198
- Dig deeper. the dollar amount keep grows.
- 00:19:30.198 --> 00:19:32.667
- It keeps growing.
- 00:19:32.667 --> 00:19:33.501
- As i see they have the chart up
- 00:19:33.501 --> 00:19:35.003
- Next to you right now, actually.
- 00:19:35.003 --> 00:19:36.471
- And yeah, it's it's 300 million feeding our future.
- 00:19:36.471 --> 00:19:40.041
- We have 100 million for the child care assistance program.
- 00:19:40.041 --> 00:19:43.211
- But i know now we're estimating that says the total here
- 00:19:43.211 --> 00:19:45.947
- Is 660 million.
- 00:19:45.947 --> 00:19:47.749
- But i know
- 00:19:47.749 --> 00:19:48.283
- They're throwing around
- 00:19:48.283 --> 00:19:49.284
- The b-word $1 billion for a lot of us know.
- 00:19:49.284 --> 00:19:51.886
- Right.
- 00:19:51.886 --> 00:19:52.920
- So so this is a data chart i need to update it.
- 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.690
- But our a local prosecutor, the head prosecutor
- 00:19:55.690 --> 00:19:59.394
- For white collar crime at the federal u.s.
- 00:19:59.394 --> 00:20:02.430
- Attorney's office.
- 00:20:02.430 --> 00:20:03.765
- He is on record as saying his office is processing
- 00:20:03.765 --> 00:20:07.602
- Sitting over 1 billion with a b dollars worth of fraud.
- 00:20:07.602 --> 00:20:12.006
- And you've seen other numbers thrown around
- 00:20:12.006 --> 00:20:14.175
- 6 billion to 8 billion.
- 00:20:14.175 --> 00:20:15.977
- But joe thompson, he's got access
- 00:20:15.977 --> 00:20:18.479
- To all the bank records and all the fbi reports,
- 00:20:18.479 --> 00:20:21.883
- And he's personally prosecuting $1 billion worth
- 00:20:21.883 --> 00:20:25.520
- Now, and he thinks he could productively prosecute
- 00:20:25.520 --> 00:20:28.556
- Another $4 billion.
- 00:20:28.556 --> 00:20:31.392
- So you're a minnesota resident.
- 00:20:31.392 --> 00:20:33.961
- You focus on minnesota.
- 00:20:33.961 --> 00:20:35.463
- It does seem to produce
- 00:20:35.463 --> 00:20:37.098
- More content than it consume locally.
- 00:20:37.098 --> 00:20:39.033
- As far as news goes,
- 00:20:39.033 --> 00:20:40.735
- What do you think is the secret sauce of minnesota,
- 00:20:40.735 --> 00:20:43.871
- Where it's like you have this kind
- 00:20:43.871 --> 00:20:45.273
- Of perfect combination of old fashioned,
- 00:20:45.273 --> 00:20:49.610
- Maybe call it naive liberalism, call it tim waltz ism.
- 00:20:49.610 --> 00:20:53.481
- And then also there's this new immigration driven
- 00:20:53.481 --> 00:20:56.250
- Dimension of of love in american life
- 00:20:56.250 --> 00:21:00.321
- That's the lethal combination in minnesota
- 00:21:00.321 --> 00:21:03.424
- Was founded by a diverse group of immigrants.
- 00:21:03.424 --> 00:21:06.527
- A lot of them from scandinavia,
- 00:21:06.527 --> 00:21:08.563
- But also german, irish, other groups.
- 00:21:08.563 --> 00:21:11.299
- But you had in minnesota until maybe 30 or 40 years ago,
- 00:21:11.299 --> 00:21:15.703
- A fairly homogeneous population of, northern europeans.
- 00:21:15.703 --> 00:21:20.475
- And again, it's not
- 00:21:20.475 --> 00:21:23.578
- I don't think it's racist to point out that in scandinavia
- 00:21:23.578 --> 00:21:26.914
- You can run a scandinavian style socialist welfare state
- 00:21:26.914 --> 00:21:31.486
- In a fairly homogeneous nation and be successful with it.
- 00:21:31.486 --> 00:21:36.057
- In minnesota.
- 00:21:36.057 --> 00:21:36.958
- Tried that and succeeded at some level
- 00:21:36.958 --> 00:21:39.227
- With that approach to scandinavian style.
- 00:21:39.227 --> 00:21:42.230
- You can do that in a high trust society.
- 00:21:42.230 --> 00:21:44.365
- But as we brought in people who don't come from that
- 00:21:44.365 --> 00:21:47.902
- Background, who don't come from,
- 00:21:47.902 --> 00:21:49.437
- High functioning or high trust societies who don't have
- 00:21:49.437 --> 00:21:54.242
- The experience with the cradle to grave welfare societies.
- 00:21:54.242 --> 00:21:58.513
- Some individuals in those communities,
- 00:21:58.513 --> 00:22:00.915
- Certainly not most certainly not all,
- 00:22:00.915 --> 00:22:02.850
- But some individuals, we're talking a few hundred
- 00:22:02.850 --> 00:22:05.353
- To maybe a couple of thousand people
- 00:22:05.353 --> 00:22:07.789
- Have found the loopholes in the,
- 00:22:07.789 --> 00:22:09.524
- Safety net and have exploited it
- 00:22:09.524 --> 00:22:11.692
- To make themselves extremely wealthy.
- 00:22:11.692 --> 00:22:13.928
- And, more than a few have gone to prison,
- 00:22:13.928 --> 00:22:16.264
- And dozens and dozens have been convicted.
- 00:22:16.264 --> 00:22:18.733
- And i think it's that lethal combination of the scandinavian
- 00:22:18.733 --> 00:22:21.803
- Style, cradle to grave welfare state
- 00:22:21.803 --> 00:22:24.572
- Designed for a homogeneous high society
- 00:22:24.572 --> 00:22:28.276
- Being, exploited by a society that has evolved
- 00:22:28.276 --> 00:22:32.780
- And perhaps for the better, into a multicultural multi
- 00:22:32.780 --> 00:22:36.284
- Ethnic society.
- 00:22:36.284 --> 00:22:37.218
- But those are just
- 00:22:37.218 --> 00:22:38.453
- Two fundamental approaches to running a society don't match.
- 00:22:38.453 --> 00:22:42.089
- Thank you so much for coming on, bill.
- 00:22:42.089 --> 00:22:43.658
- And it's probably not the last time if minnesota keeps at it.
- 00:22:43.658 --> 00:22:48.329
- I received a message from our friends
- 00:22:49.130 --> 00:22:51.065
- At international fellowship of christians and jews
- 00:22:51.065 --> 00:22:53.501
- That i would like to share with you.
- 00:22:53.501 --> 00:22:55.069
- It's a simple one. thank you.
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- And one of the jewish communities
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- Greatest times of need.
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- Christians around the world have stepped up
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- With generosity, standing in prayer
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- And showing what it means to love their neighbors
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- As themselves together with the fellowship.
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- You're doing the holy work, providing food for the hungry.
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- Care for the elderly and healing for the wounded.
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- Your prayers and support are helping to restore hope
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- And strength throughout israel and beyond.
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- To learn more, visit ifc, ck dawg, that's ifc.org.
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