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Charlie Kirk Today | Greg Laurie: November 6, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | November 6, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- Andrew corbett, joined by blake neff
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- And tyler boyer, ceo of turning point action.
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- There was one bright spot.
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- There was a there was a.
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- Okay, listen,
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- There was actually a few, maybe bright spots,
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- One extraordinarily bright spot.
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- And that was here in mesa, arizona.
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- And the turning point action team led the charge on that.
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- The grass roots rose up and and ousted in a
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- In a really difficult scenario.
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- Pillsbury who was the republicans
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- For kamala leader in the state of arizona.
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- So tyler boyer, why don't you tell us, the back story there?
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- Yeah.
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- I mean, this is this is covered by the new york times.
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- I'm dropping in the chat
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- If we want to throw it at politico.
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- Brought this up.
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- This is a huge race.
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- Essentially what happened was,
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- The face of republicans for kamala.
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- So you want to talk about soros type, funded ventures.
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- You had this entire mind,
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- F whatever you want to call it,
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- That happened in 2020 or 2024,
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- Where they funded these fake republicans for biden
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- And then republic and later became republicans for harris,
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- Or conservatives for harris and all the key swing states.
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- So the face of this organization in many ways
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- Was the mayor of mesa, arizona.
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- His name is john giles.
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- He got termed out and so was done this last year.
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- And his former vice mayor, julie pillsbury,
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- Who both were lds, both were mormon,
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- And they were running the as the face of this
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- National operation that was abandoned.
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- Trump if you're a republican and vote against him in 2024,
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- So what are the lessons here from this local race
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- That we can extrapolate to the national scene?
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- So this is the heart of the i mean, these types of, of,
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- Psyops some people call them these type of,
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- These type of things that happen with
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- The politics are at the heart of how
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- They control the narrative around these elections.
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- So we ran, but we didn't run it.
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- The grassroots ran it.
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- We supported it fully.
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- Was removing this person from office to recall or remove
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- Someone from office is
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- One of the most difficult things
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- That you can do with in politics.
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- But this is so important to do
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- When people try to run these type of operations.
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- And it was hard work.
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- You have to go out, recruit all of the people to do it.
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- You have to
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- Collect the petitions and then ultimately win the election.
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- This lady last year, the significance of this
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- In arizona, arizona,
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- This is one of the biggest cities in america.
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- It's like top 35 cities.
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- This is a actually maricopa
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- Is like the fifth largest metro area of all in
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- Not i know not mesa specifically,
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- But people need to understand how big this.
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- It's the fourth largest
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- Metropolitan area in the country
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- And it's and the phoenix metro area.
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- So phoenix mesa is usually how it's referred to
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- Is the most conservative out of the big metro area.
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- So this is like
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- Target number one for the democrats to topple.
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- The democrats won a term.
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- Maricopa county blew
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- For obvious reasons that we all know, all the,
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- Hankie panky that's gone on with elections
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- And everything else that's getting somewhat corrected.
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- Not fully as much as we'd like, but getting in there.
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- This is the target prime.
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- Target number one.
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- And so this is why they choose people
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- Like this to lead the face of these type of operations.
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- And this is why it's so important
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- To remove these people
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- From office because it's part of it.
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- They were recruit a mormon to do this too.
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- So i just want to like
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- I want to crystallize this for everybody.
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- This is a recall election where it's an r versus an r.
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- That's the toughest type of election
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- To educate a population that's kind of checked out.
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- It's an off cycle, off year election, you see.
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- Which are am i choosing. right.
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- And so you have to
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- Then do the grassroots
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- Work, the doorknocking in order to get this over the top.
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- And because one one this is how they do it, right.
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- So one is like a fraudulent republican
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- That's that has the backing
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- Of all the democrats, a republican for kamala.
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- Yeah.
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- It's all the backing of all the democrat party.
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- So basically,
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- To win this election, you have to overcome the establishment.
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- Some people refer it to as the unit party.
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- And then you have to also tackle the democrat party.
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- Yeah.
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- So they're not going to run a democrat
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- In this district because it's so conservative.
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- So they're they're
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- They're putting a wolf in sheep's clothing
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- To come and do this in a place like mesa.
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- Yeah. and because they're trying to flip mesa. right.
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- Like over time they want to make mesa blue.
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- And so they've, they've
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- They've been fairly successful at this in years past.
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- And, you're basically even in a place where it's
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- 60% republican, that's, that's like this district,
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- This district's like 50, 55, 60% republican.
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- But again, it's like 30 plus
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- Percent, 40% democrat.
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- You have to again win.
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- Basically, all the republicans educate
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- All the republicans to vote against their.
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- So so yesterday
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- That was the huge bright spot was this leader.
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- This was a national leader in a swing state,
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- A national leftist leader in his swing.
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- So let me just back that up.
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- There was axios, there was politico,
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- There was new york times.
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- They were all out here on a on a city council race
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- Well, you have to look at how they react.
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- Politico has a headline a few days ago.
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- This is like the first test of turning point as an actual.
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- Yeah, they want to know muscle in politics.
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- You you have to blink in order to to flip the state
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- Because if it where as phoenix goes, the phoenix metropolitan
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- Area goes, arizona goes as arizona goes,
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- Statistically the presidency goes. yeah.
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- And also when people don't realize this is that
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- These things are so critical because if you lose them,
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- It gives it emboldens the left to spend millions more dollars
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- In your swing state to win the next big election.
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- Today the democrats woke up going, wow, they mean business.
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- Maybe we should
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- Invest the millions
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- More dollars into that state next election cycle
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- Because it's not worth it. we need to come up
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- With a different strategy to win in 2028.
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- That is exactly what we want them to do.
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- Well, if you run the models there, it's like, what is it
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- Like 70% of the democrat models to win a nationwide
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- Presidential race go through arizona?
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- That's right.
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- So if you break the backs of the democrat party
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- In this state,
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- You demoralize them and you let them know,
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- Like, hey, there's a new sheriff in town.
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- We're not going to be messed with, and we're going to pour
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- A ton of resources and manpower to the state.
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- Well, guess what?
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- Their models get a lot trickier, a lot more difficult.
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- And so that's why we're we're
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- We are not going anywhere in the state of arizona
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- Is matter of fact,
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- Tyler, it's safe to say we are doubling tripling down,
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- In the future. yes, sir.
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- That's right.
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- And we have, more on this.
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- I think we should share some of these videos
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- After we come out of the break here.
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- Yeah, well, it's going to be pretty great.
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- Yeah, we could do, let's go to 9290 real quick.
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- Yeah.
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- Look, i people are always saying that they wish
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- They had better candidates that would run for office.
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- I don't think that's true.
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- Because when good people run
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- For office, just because i want to serve my community.
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- And then this is what happens to me.
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- Why would anyone want to run
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- When you have groups like turning point
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- That can go out there and put up thousands of signs?
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- Too bad, so sad.
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- We'll be right back.
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- In genesis
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- 12 three, god made a powerful promise
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- To abraham, the father of the jewish people.
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- I will bless those who bless you.
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- The christian bible tells us that we have been grafted
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- Into god's family tree, the rich olive tree of israel.
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- The very foundations of the christian faith,
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- The bible and jesus, whom christians call
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- The messiah, are deeply rooted in israel.
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- Supporting israel aligns christians with god's
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- Prophetic timeline.
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- It demonstrates our willingness to be instruments of
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- God's blessing, uplifting his chosen people,
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- And it calls us to confront and heal
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- The centuries old wounds of anti-semitism.
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- The scripture says how good and how
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- Pleasant it is when brethren dwell together.
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- You can be part of this historic movement
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- Of bringing light to our world.
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- Learn more by going to ifc.
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- J.org today.
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- J.org today.
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- Andrew corbett,
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- Executive producer of this fine show,
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- Joined by pastor greg laurie pastor, you are
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- One of the most i'm going to say you're going to
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- You don't have to sit, but
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- You're one of the most famous evangelists in the country.
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- You do.
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- You harvest
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- Crusades in angel stadium all over the country as well.
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- Thousands and thousands of people
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- Come to faith in jesus christ.
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- You know, you knew charlie.
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- You you came to our events.
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- You've you've been supportive.
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- You you do things the right way.
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- You have a long history
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- And a really thriving church in southern california.
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- Multiple campuses.
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- I've known you for years.
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- I just want you to help make sense of this moment.
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- You know, a lot of people talk about revival.
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- We've seen revival.
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- We've also seen opposition.
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- The floor is yours.
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- I mean, help us put eyes to this.
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- Well,
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- I'm reminded of that first line of a tale of two cities.
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- It was the best of times. it was a worst of times. you know,
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- Both things can happen simultaneously.
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- And these are dark times, but they're very bright times.
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- And there are signs of revival.
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- And i don't say that lightly, because i was around
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- For the last great spiritual awakening, the jesus movement.
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- You know, i didn't realize it at the time, andrew,
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- But i had a front row seat to an actual spiritual awakening,
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- The last great awakening in, of all places in california.
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- And so, you know, looking back
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- People say, do you think we're having
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- Another jesus revolution?
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- I said, well, i see promising signs.
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- But now, looking at the last just few months,
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- I would say i see more than promising signs.
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- I see things happening
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- That have not happened for a long time,
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- And things that have never happened at all.
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- Take baptisms, for instance.
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- You know, back in the heyday of the jesus movement,
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- We would go to a little spot
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- Called pirates cove and baptize a lot of people.
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- But in the last just few years, we've seen over
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- 20,000 people baptized at that same spot.
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- The movie had a little cause, an effect.
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- It was sort of like a case of,
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- You know, they see a movie or whatever.
- 00:10:41.676 --> 00:10:43.611
- Art imitates life.
- 00:10:43.611 --> 00:10:44.712
- In this case, life is imitating art, imitating life.
- 00:10:44.712 --> 00:10:47.715
- People said, oh, i want to be baptized in that spot.
- 00:10:47.715 --> 00:10:50.051
- But this is a phenomenon.
- 00:10:50.051 --> 00:10:52.019
- And of course, since charlie was killed in
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- I hate to say that, but, you know,
- 00:10:56.224 --> 00:10:57.759
- We have to say this, and i think
- 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.427
- It's more than just saying he died.
- 00:10:59.427 --> 00:11:01.329
- He was murdered.
- 00:11:01.329 --> 00:11:02.196
- And we all know that.
- 00:11:02.196 --> 00:11:03.798
- But, and i'm, you know, i'm humbled and honored
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- To be in the studio where he would sit in the seat
- 00:11:06.567 --> 00:11:09.036
- Right next to me and and do what he did so well.
- 00:11:09.036 --> 00:11:12.940
- But, but it's like rocket fuel has been poured
- 00:11:12.940 --> 00:11:16.144
- On a preexisting fire, and i see it intensifying.
- 00:11:16.144 --> 00:11:19.747
- In fact, wall street journal, you probably saw this article,
- 00:11:19.747 --> 00:11:22.784
- Even commented on the upsurge of bible sales.
- 00:11:22.784 --> 00:11:25.920
- And they directly attribute this to to charlie's death.
- 00:11:25.920 --> 00:11:29.490
- And so,
- 00:11:29.490 --> 00:11:30.258
- You know, andrew,
- 00:11:30.258 --> 00:11:31.459
- You may remember that our son christopher died
- 00:11:31.459 --> 00:11:34.228
- In an automobile accident 16 years ago.
- 00:11:34.228 --> 00:11:37.698
- And so i
- 00:11:37.965 --> 00:11:39.066
- Think when something tragic happens to christians
- 00:11:39.066 --> 00:11:41.335
- Like that, we try to like, why why did god let this happen?
- 00:11:41.335 --> 00:11:46.207
- And sometimes some christians, well-meaning
- 00:11:46.207 --> 00:11:48.876
- But i think misdirected, will try to find cause
- 00:11:48.876 --> 00:11:51.078
- And in fact like this happened.
- 00:11:51.078 --> 00:11:52.480
- So this other thing will happen.
- 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.182
- I think we need to separate them.
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- Then look at them together.
- 00:11:55.817 --> 00:11:57.785
- Charlie, being killed was a horrible tragedy.
- 00:11:57.785 --> 00:12:01.722
- The end.
- 00:12:01.989 --> 00:12:03.324
- But despite a horrible tragedy, god is doing a mighty work.
- 00:12:03.324 --> 00:12:07.195
- And we could look at stephen, which is a direct parallel.
- 00:12:07.195 --> 00:12:10.198
- The death of stephen was a tragedy and to the point
- 00:12:10.198 --> 00:12:13.267
- We even read that godly men mourned over him, you know.
- 00:12:13.267 --> 00:12:17.271
- So it was it was a tragedy for the church.
- 00:12:17.271 --> 00:12:19.774
- Yet the gospel went out with greater power
- 00:12:19.774 --> 00:12:23.477
- After the death of stephen,
- 00:12:23.477 --> 00:12:25.012
- Because the church finally got the memo.
- 00:12:25.012 --> 00:12:26.948
- Oh, yeah.
- 00:12:26.948 --> 00:12:27.548
- We're not supposed
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- To hang around in jerusalem in a holy huddle.
- 00:12:28.583 --> 00:12:31.285
- We're supposed to spread
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- Across the world and preach the gospel.
- 00:12:32.420 --> 00:12:34.622
- And that's what happened after stephen's death.
- 00:12:34.622 --> 00:12:37.325
- So we can see a horrible tragedy that god is using.
- 00:12:37.325 --> 00:12:40.928
- Not long before charlie was killed,
- 00:12:40.928 --> 00:12:43.931
- He was asked, what is your favorite bible passage?
- 00:12:43.931 --> 00:12:46.868
- And you remember it's romans 828.
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- God cannot
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- Can cause all things to work together
- 00:12:49.837 --> 00:12:51.639
- For good to those that love god.
- 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:53.608
- And as joseph said to his brothers who betrayed him,
- 00:12:53.608 --> 00:12:56.744
- You meant for evil, but god meant it for good.
- 00:12:56.744 --> 00:12:59.013
- So we see god working despite the tragedy.
- 00:12:59.013 --> 00:13:02.717
- And i like to make that distinction.
- 00:13:02.717 --> 00:13:04.151
- Despite the tragedy and do it.
- 00:13:04.151 --> 00:13:06.721
- And i'm thinking, if i'm charlie in heaven,
- 00:13:06.721 --> 00:13:09.290
- I would rejoice
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- Knowing that this was happening after i was called home
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- To glory.
- 00:13:13.928 --> 00:13:14.896
- You know, and and so i think that's probably
- 00:13:14.896 --> 00:13:17.865
- The greatest tribute that, that, you know, this is a man
- 00:13:17.865 --> 00:13:21.302
- That lived a godly life,
- 00:13:21.302 --> 00:13:22.536
- A life of integrity, a life of passion,
- 00:13:22.536 --> 00:13:25.406
- A life of purpose,
- 00:13:25.406 --> 00:13:27.074
- And and a lot of people who never even heard his name
- 00:13:27.074 --> 00:13:29.810
- Before are now going, who is this guy?
- 00:13:29.810 --> 00:13:31.979
- And what did he actually believe?
- 00:13:31.979 --> 00:13:33.347
- And they're not believing the caricature
- 00:13:33.347 --> 00:13:35.383
- Of charlie presented by people that hate him
- 00:13:35.383 --> 00:13:37.985
- And hate what he stands for.
- 00:13:37.985 --> 00:13:39.453
- But they're
- 00:13:39.453 --> 00:13:40.354
- Checking out his own videos and seeing
- 00:13:40.354 --> 00:13:42.156
- He was actually very civil, very patient.
- 00:13:42.156 --> 00:13:44.692
- People would insult him to his face
- 00:13:44.692 --> 00:13:46.894
- And he would just listen,
- 00:13:46.894 --> 00:13:48.396
- And then he would patiently respond.
- 00:13:48.396 --> 00:13:51.399
- And, you know, so they're seen what
- 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:52.800
- This guy really stood for.
- 00:13:52.800 --> 00:13:54.602
- And so i think that we are seeing revival,
- 00:13:54.602 --> 00:13:58.005
- Like things happen right now.
- 00:13:58.005 --> 00:14:00.207
- And there's no question that charlie's death
- 00:14:00.207 --> 00:14:03.577
- Has had an effect on this.
- 00:14:03.577 --> 00:14:06.047
- There's a lot of blessings right now.
- 00:14:06.047 --> 00:14:08.849
- There's a lot of, momentum.
- 00:14:08.849 --> 00:14:11.085
- But then you see these distractions
- 00:14:11.085 --> 00:14:13.220
- And you see, you know, people, all they want to talk about is
- 00:14:13.220 --> 00:14:16.524
- They want to talk about israel.
- 00:14:16.524 --> 00:14:17.625
- They want to talk about foreign policy.
- 00:14:17.625 --> 00:14:19.226
- There's this infighting
- 00:14:19.226 --> 00:14:20.428
- That you're seeing within the within the church,
- 00:14:20.428 --> 00:14:23.464
- Within the conservative movement.
- 00:14:23.464 --> 00:14:24.665
- And, you know, i couldn't help but think about that
- 00:14:24.665 --> 00:14:26.200
- As the results were coming in last night.
- 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:27.969
- Is that man, if we could focus some of this energy.
- 00:14:27.969 --> 00:14:30.004
- Yeah.
- 00:14:30.004 --> 00:14:30.671
- On winning elections or,
- 00:14:30.671 --> 00:14:33.507
- You know, building unity as opposed to division.
- 00:14:33.507 --> 00:14:36.344
- So, lucas, you are at in some ways
- 00:14:36.344 --> 00:14:39.013
- At the tip of the spear when it on
- 00:14:39.013 --> 00:14:40.781
- Some of this church based stuff.
- 00:14:40.781 --> 00:14:43.517
- Right.
- 00:14:43.517 --> 00:14:44.085
- And there are factions,
- 00:14:44.085 --> 00:14:44.885
- There are people that that want,
- 00:14:44.885 --> 00:14:46.754
- You know, this group
- 00:14:46.754 --> 00:14:47.655
- To say this in this group to proclaim
- 00:14:47.655 --> 00:14:49.790
- This and draw a line in the sand and this.
- 00:14:49.790 --> 00:14:51.192
- How are you navigating this?
- 00:14:51.192 --> 00:14:52.960
- Because there's there's just a lot of infighting.
- 00:14:53.961 --> 00:14:55.496
- You know, anytime you work with pastors across different
- 00:14:55.496 --> 00:14:57.732
- Denominations, you have certain hot button issues
- 00:14:57.732 --> 00:15:01.302
- That make unity difficult. okay.
- 00:15:01.302 --> 00:15:04.138
- I shared with my staff, we all got together
- 00:15:04.138 --> 00:15:06.974
- At the night of the memorial.
- 00:15:06.974 --> 00:15:08.009
- Afterwards, we got together for a dinner
- 00:15:08.009 --> 00:15:09.710
- And just fellowship together
- 00:15:09.710 --> 00:15:10.878
- And just kind of cried and prayed together.
- 00:15:10.878 --> 00:15:12.747
- And i told them,
- 00:15:12.747 --> 00:15:13.948
- I said, this moment of unity that we're seeing right now,
- 00:15:13.948 --> 00:15:16.317
- I want to prepare you for the enemy does not want
- 00:15:16.317 --> 00:15:19.720
- To see this continue.
- 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:20.888
- And there's a potential for,
- 00:15:20.888 --> 00:15:22.523
- You know,
- 00:15:22.523 --> 00:15:23.657
- The next phase is going to be factions and division
- 00:15:23.657 --> 00:15:25.593
- And everything else that can potentially get
- 00:15:25.593 --> 00:15:27.128
- The enemies, the enemies predictable.
- 00:15:27.128 --> 00:15:28.963
- We're not unaware of his schemes in that way.
- 00:15:28.963 --> 00:15:31.098
- And so we're seeing this, you know, the issue of israel
- 00:15:31.098 --> 00:15:33.134
- Is obviously one of those you have
- 00:15:33.134 --> 00:15:34.602
- You know, there's other things like,
- 00:15:34.602 --> 00:15:36.203
- You know, views of spiritual gifts and,
- 00:15:36.203 --> 00:15:38.272
- You know, once saved, always say
- 00:15:38.272 --> 00:15:39.874
- Calvinism versus arminian ism.
- 00:15:39.874 --> 00:15:41.375
- You know, we could look at those things.
- 00:15:41.375 --> 00:15:42.843
- But i think this issue of
- 00:15:42.843 --> 00:15:43.844
- Israel has become a very big dividing point,
- 00:15:43.844 --> 00:15:46.714
- You know, for people right now.
- 00:15:46.714 --> 00:15:48.249
- And unfortunately,
- 00:15:48.249 --> 00:15:49.216
- The conversation is being driven
- 00:15:49.216 --> 00:15:51.118
- Really by people that aren't very theological.
- 00:15:51.118 --> 00:15:53.387
- They don't have a doctrinal approach to this.
- 00:15:53.387 --> 00:15:56.057
- They see this is there's only 1 or 2 options.
- 00:15:56.057 --> 00:15:58.392
- You're either, you know,
- 00:15:58.392 --> 00:15:59.627
- Taking money from israel and you're bought and paid for,
- 00:15:59.627 --> 00:16:03.297
- And that's why
- 00:16:03.297 --> 00:16:04.331
- Your dispensation analysts or your replacement
- 00:16:04.331 --> 00:16:06.600
- Theology and israel doesn't matter at all.
- 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:08.669
- And there's nothing
- 00:16:08.669 --> 00:16:09.503
- That from a theological standpoint,
- 00:16:09.503 --> 00:16:11.338
- There's actually a wide spectrum.
- 00:16:11.338 --> 00:16:13.007
- You have,
- 00:16:13.007 --> 00:16:14.008
- You know, radical dispensation is on one side,
- 00:16:14.008 --> 00:16:16.243
- And you have replacement theology on the other side.
- 00:16:16.243 --> 00:16:18.312
- And, and, you know, across the spectrum
- 00:16:18.312 --> 00:16:20.514
- From a christian vantage point, all of those views
- 00:16:20.514 --> 00:16:23.317
- Would actually have support for israel.
- 00:16:23.317 --> 00:16:25.086
- They would actually have, you know, a positive view.
- 00:16:25.086 --> 00:16:28.022
- I'm so glad you're saying this.
- 00:16:28.022 --> 00:16:29.356
- And i don't mean to cut you off.
- 00:16:29.356 --> 00:16:30.524
- And so i'm sorry, lucas, but this idea
- 00:16:30.524 --> 00:16:33.260
- That you're either for or against the nation of.
- 00:16:33.260 --> 00:16:36.397
- I'm like,
- 00:16:36.397 --> 00:16:37.498
- Do you have any idea how off putting that binary is?
- 00:16:37.498 --> 00:16:40.267
- And that the people on both ends of the spectrum
- 00:16:40.267 --> 00:16:42.403
- That are pushing you to accept one or the other?
- 00:16:42.403 --> 00:16:44.305
- And i'm like, there's about 100 iterations
- 00:16:44.305 --> 00:16:46.040
- Between 100%, you know, it's like,
- 00:16:46.040 --> 00:16:48.375
- And so i just i think the whole discourse
- 00:16:48.375 --> 00:16:50.444
- Has been, really tainted and corrupted
- 00:16:50.444 --> 00:16:53.180
- And it's not productive, actually.
- 00:16:53.180 --> 00:16:55.683
- Yeah.
- 00:16:55.683 --> 00:16:56.550
- The question is obviously, you know,
- 00:16:56.550 --> 00:16:57.651
- Defining israel is is a thing we have to do,
- 00:16:57.651 --> 00:17:00.554
- Recognizing their purpose and place in history,
- 00:17:00.554 --> 00:17:03.257
- All these sorts of things.
- 00:17:03.257 --> 00:17:04.492
- And theologically, we have answers for that
- 00:17:04.492 --> 00:17:06.360
- Throughout this spectrum.
- 00:17:06.360 --> 00:17:07.595
- And and so when we say,
- 00:17:07.595 --> 00:17:08.963
- You know, the idea of what's god's view of israel,
- 00:17:08.963 --> 00:17:11.232
- The unifying view is this, you know,
- 00:17:11.232 --> 00:17:13.534
- Because we're not going to get dispensationalism
- 00:17:13.534 --> 00:17:15.870
- Theology guys who agree on everything theologically.
- 00:17:15.870 --> 00:17:18.572
- But what we can't agree with is god loves people.
- 00:17:18.572 --> 00:17:21.242
- He he's faithful.
- 00:17:21.242 --> 00:17:22.543
- He wants to see promises fulfilled,
- 00:17:22.543 --> 00:17:24.912
- And he wants to win over people for the sake of the gospel.
- 00:17:24.912 --> 00:17:28.782
- And when you start with that framework
- 00:17:28.782 --> 00:17:30.484
- And then start building from there,
- 00:17:30.484 --> 00:17:32.353
- These things start making a lot more sense
- 00:17:32.353 --> 00:17:34.021
- As you navigate through it.
- 00:17:34.021 --> 00:17:39.059
- Where are the tears or
- 00:17:39.527 --> 00:17:41.762
- From the pain of the life that she lived?
- 00:17:41.762 --> 00:17:44.732
- She's a survivor of auschwitz.
- 00:17:45.332 --> 00:17:48.736
- The years that they would just beat her
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- Ears, that she didn't have food and felt hungry.
- 00:17:51.105 --> 00:17:54.775
- And our answer is love.
- 00:17:55.276 --> 00:17:58.946
- With a gift of only $25.
- 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:01.749
- You'll deliver a life
- 00:18:01.749 --> 00:18:02.917
- Saving food box into the hands of an elderly jew in need
- 00:18:02.917 --> 00:18:07.421
- Of a in you saying people have a heart.
- 00:18:07.421 --> 00:18:10.658
- There are good people today.
- 00:18:10.658 --> 00:18:12.493
- Call, scan or go online now.
- 00:18:12.493 --> 00:18:15.229
- And the international
- 00:18:15.229 --> 00:18:16.363
- Fellowship of christians
- 00:18:16.363 --> 00:18:17.631
- And jews will rush your food box today.
- 00:18:17.631 --> 00:18:20.401
- Love you. this is a holy moment.
- 00:18:20.401 --> 00:18:23.270
- What you're doing is not simply being kind.
- 00:18:23.270 --> 00:18:26.674
- You are prophetically stepping into the scriptures
- 00:18:26.674 --> 00:18:30.511
- And being part of their redemption and our own.
- 00:18:30.511 --> 00:18:33.981
- Please call, scan or go online now.
- 00:18:33.981 --> 00:18:37.020
- Please call, scan or go online now.
- 00:18:37.020 --> 00:18:43.659
- There's a lot of young people that are very skeptical
- 00:18:44.727 --> 00:18:47.763
- About our foreign policy when it comes to israel.
- 00:18:47.763 --> 00:18:50.199
- Right.
- 00:18:50.199 --> 00:18:50.833
- And so we understand that
- 00:18:50.833 --> 00:18:52.001
- Theology can end up playing a role in foreign policy.
- 00:18:52.001 --> 00:18:54.971
- And, and there's an i'm just trying to be ecumenical here.
- 00:18:54.971 --> 00:18:58.641
- Right.
- 00:18:58.841 --> 00:18:59.842
- So we've got 8000 churches in our movement.
- 00:18:59.842 --> 00:19:02.245
- There's there's a lot of people,
- 00:19:02.245 --> 00:19:03.813
- Probably 1000 views of, of israel, probably.
- 00:19:03.813 --> 00:19:06.515
- Exactly.
- 00:19:06.515 --> 00:19:07.650
- So, so how do we in this moment where this has become
- 00:19:07.650 --> 00:19:11.020
- Such a flashpoint, by the way, our voters are telling us
- 00:19:11.020 --> 00:19:15.057
- They're screaming at us
- 00:19:15.057 --> 00:19:16.792
- That they want to focus on the economy,
- 00:19:16.792 --> 00:19:18.261
- That they want to focus on affordability of housing.
- 00:19:18.261 --> 00:19:20.062
- They're sick of talking about foreign policy.
- 00:19:20.062 --> 00:19:22.231
- They're sick of us seemingly focusing on it.
- 00:19:22.231 --> 00:19:24.700
- Now, i think there's arguments that you need to bring,
- 00:19:24.700 --> 00:19:27.737
- You need to bring peace abroad so that you can sort of
- 00:19:27.737 --> 00:19:31.841
- Have a you can focus on domestic issues
- 00:19:31.841 --> 00:19:35.378
- And domestic tranquility.
- 00:19:35.378 --> 00:19:36.646
- That's, jd vance
- 00:19:36.646 --> 00:19:37.913
- Actually tweeted out something like that.
- 00:19:37.913 --> 00:19:39.181
- Hey, we do need peace abroad so that we can really focus on.
- 00:19:39.181 --> 00:19:42.551
- Okay, so whatever.
- 00:19:42.551 --> 00:19:43.719
- So we got three years left in the in the in the trump,
- 00:19:43.719 --> 00:19:47.657
- Trump 2.0 administration.
- 00:19:47.657 --> 00:19:50.526
- We got to focus on domestic issues.
- 00:19:50.526 --> 00:19:51.927
- But this is this issue is not going away.
- 00:19:51.927 --> 00:19:53.829
- So how within the church circles, within faith
- 00:19:53.829 --> 00:19:56.299
- Circles do we bring
- 00:19:56.299 --> 00:19:58.367
- What should
- 00:19:58.701 --> 00:19:59.869
- Our heart posture be towards our brothers in the church
- 00:19:59.869 --> 00:20:03.105
- That have different, differing opinions about israel?
- 00:20:03.105 --> 00:20:06.575
- Well, there's room for disagreement on this,
- 00:20:06.575 --> 00:20:09.178
- And i have plenty of friends
- 00:20:09.178 --> 00:20:10.446
- That don't see things the way that i see them.
- 00:20:10.446 --> 00:20:12.915
- But i do believe, you know, the next event in the prophetic
- 00:20:12.915 --> 00:20:15.484
- Calendar is what is called the rapture.
- 00:20:15.484 --> 00:20:17.520
- The church will be caught up to meet the lord in the air.
- 00:20:17.520 --> 00:20:19.955
- I think an antichrist figure is going to come.
- 00:20:19.955 --> 00:20:22.091
- The tribulation
- 00:20:22.091 --> 00:20:23.225
- Period is going to happen, i believe then the second
- 00:20:23.225 --> 00:20:25.594
- Coming takes place and so forth.
- 00:20:25.594 --> 00:20:27.430
- But but i think
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- Israel is a fulfillment of what ezekiel prophesied
- 00:20:28.497 --> 00:20:32.368
- Of the people returning to their homeland.
- 00:20:32.368 --> 00:20:34.804
- And it happened on the heels of the holocaust, however.
- 00:20:34.804 --> 00:20:37.740
- Okay, so maybe you would say, oh, well,
- 00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:40.476
- I don't see that in the quite that way. okay, fine.
- 00:20:40.476 --> 00:20:43.079
- But but there's no room for anti-semitism, okay.
- 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:46.515
- And that is what is growing, you know, right now,
- 00:20:46.515 --> 00:20:49.952
- It's going from everywhere, from ivy league universities to
- 00:20:49.952 --> 00:20:53.956
- The world of podcasting.
- 00:20:53.956 --> 00:20:55.291
- We're hearing about it more and more,
- 00:20:55.291 --> 00:20:57.026
- And i hear people addressing theological issues
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- Who don't seem to understand.
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- To your point, lucas,
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- What the bible actually says about these.
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- However, there's room for difference in that.
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- But, certainly that's the only democracy in the middle east.
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- And we want to and i do believe the promise of god
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- That says, god will bless those that bless you and curse
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- Those that curse you.
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- I believe one of the reasons the lord has blessed
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- America is because we have stood by the jewish people
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- And the nation, israel.
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- And and president truman was we were the first
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- To come out and say, we
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- We stand by this new nation that is now declared itself.
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- But but, you know, yes, in the church
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- We have to find we can disagree agreeably.
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- What does that saying, lucas?
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- You would though, it in in essentials.
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- Unity in non-essentials.
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- Charity, charity.
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- No non-essentials.
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- There's another word and all things charity.
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- Yes. yeah. the non-essentials.
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- Liberty. liberty.
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- Yeah. it's so.
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- Okay, so let's call this a nonessential.
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- Let's see. it's the have liberty here.
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- We can disagree, but not for antisemitism.
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- But maybe you have differing views on
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- How much support we should send to the state of israel.
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- Okay, we can talk about that.
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- But but we still understand
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- Everything we have is come to us
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- Through the jewish people, including our bible.
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- And god has established a covenant with them.
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- However, we don't want that to divide over those things.
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- Well, i mean, i get how people conclude different things on.
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- There's a lot i'm saying there's a lot there.
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- And i understand how people of good faith
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- Come to different conclusions.
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- But where i totally 1,000% agree with you on
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- This is that there is no place for jew hate.
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- And charlie was adamant about this there.
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- And you can feel it on people.
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- You can feel it in the way they they frame their arguments.
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- And so i,
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- I totally agree with that.
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- And, i think we need to
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- We need to have unity on on that.
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- And i think, you know, we have to remember that
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- Our savior is a is a semite.
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- You know, it's like, you know, he's a jewish person.
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- So, i think that's a good place to end it.
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- Pastor greg laurie,
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- Thank you for your wisdom and just your your consistency,
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- Your steadiness, your focus on bringing people to a saving,
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- Faith in jesus christ.
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- And in california, you're, you're holding it down.
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- So, thank you so much for joining us.
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- And, lucas, thank you for, making it happen. so good.
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- Thank you. andrew.
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- All right.
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- God bless you.
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- We truly are living in a historic time.
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- After 738 days, the 20 living israeli hostages
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- Have been released from captivity
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- And those who were killed will finally rest in peace near
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- Their loved ones. praise god!
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- In this time of celebration, our good friends
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- At the international fellowship of christians and jews
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- Send their deepest gratitude for your prayers
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- And unwavering support.
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- Thanks to you, the fellowship has provided
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- $300 million in emergency aid since october 7th,
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- Including millions in direct support for the hostages
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- And their families.
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- Of course, the road ahead is still a long one.
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- Much needs to be done to restore
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- And revive these victims of terrorism.
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- But that's exactly what the fellowship does.
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- For example,
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- They're assisting returned hostages,
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- Medical, psychological and financial support.
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- They're also providing
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- Mental health care for israelis of all ages.
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- To find out how you can help, visit ifc.org.
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