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Charlie Kirk Today | Jack Posobiec & Megan Basham: October 24, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | October 24, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- I'm andrew
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- Collett, executive producer of this show.
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- And today i am joined by magazine main man.
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- That's right.
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- The number the most important influencer in the maga world.
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- And that is, of course,
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- Jack posobiec, host of human events daily.
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- That's right. jack, take a bath.
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- Yeah, okay.
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- I did not write the atlantic piece.
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- I respectfully disagree with the atlantic,
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- Naming the magazine's,
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- Most important influencer, next top influencer.
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- I respectfully disagree.
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- The name of magazine's most important
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- Influencer is charles james kirk.
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- And that's all i'm going to say about that. well.
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- Well said.
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- Listen, there's another story about keeping records, jack.
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- And this is, of course,
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- The democrats on the oversight committee in the house
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- Are going.
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- They've announced a plan to roll out a master online
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- Ice tracker.
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- So. and this corresponds with a really creepy story
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- That we covered at tp, usa front lines.
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- About this.
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- Basically, it antifa hit list.
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- I want to know
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- What the heck is going on
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- With democrats keeping lists all of a sudden and so.
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- Well, it's amazing, right?
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- So there's no there's no daylight whatsoever
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- Between what you see at the antifa level
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- And what you see at the democrat level in the house.
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- And this is something where, you know,
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- Harry sisson asked me the other day, said does,
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- You know, does you know, are there any high ranking
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- Democrats who call republicans fascists? and hillary?
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- I said, yeah, kamala harris did.
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- When you were campaigning for they all do.
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- Joe biden, you go down the list, right?
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- So what, what katie davis caught and tp
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- Usa front lines were able to uncover on the ground in
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- They've gone through seattle, they've gone through portland,
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- They've been infiltrating oakland,
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- California, infiltrating these antifa cells.
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- And they found hit lists of prominent,
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- Influencers, reporters, media
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- Figures, conservatives that if you see these people
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- That you are essentially to fight them, to attack them.
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- And and i'm just going to kill them, right?
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- These are kill orders that got put out,
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- Certainly after the murder of charlie kirk
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- And certainly
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- After that white house roundtable that we held
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- Talking about antifa.
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- And that's what they're doing now.
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- And so you can actually see there are certain members
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- Of the turning point front lines team,
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- Like jonathan cho and doctor
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- Carnivore sancho, who joined them as well,
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- That were on the list, even as they themselves were.
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- They're taking the photos and were infiltrating.
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- So they're sitting there taking a picture of, of their
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- Own mug shots essentially from this terrorist group.
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- And again, it really just goes to show you that
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- Whenever you hear the media,
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- Whenever you hear the democrats say
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- That they don't exist, that antifa doesn't exist,
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- They have hit lists, they have cells,
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- They have book fairs, they have communes.
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- They have command centers in seattle that you can go into
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- And infiltrate, like turning point front lines did.
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- And god bless them for going in there,
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- Putting themselves in harm's way like this.
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- They literally go to the front lines,
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- And that's why they're called that.
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- Those are the guys who should be called the top influencers.
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- Those are the guys
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- Who are the most important, the ones that are actually
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- Putting themselves in harm's way.
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- So you look at all this,
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- And then you combine that with the fact
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- That now we have house
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- Members that want to target ice officers, the same ones
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- Who want to bring up january 6th.
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- Every time they get a chance, they bring up jan six,
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- Jan six, jan six.
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- And now you are
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- The ones that are physically doxing, harassing
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- And targeting federal agents on the street who, by the way,
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- Are enforcing the laws that were passed by congress.
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- That's what federal agents do.
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- Well, yeah, i need to get people killed.
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- Yeah. let me let me play some of these clips.
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- This is rep, robert garcia.
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- He's a top democrat on the oversight committee,
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- And he's announcing this plan.
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- Cut 243 i shared this with the mayor.
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- Over the course of the next couple of weeks,
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- The oversight committee will be launching
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- On their website a master ice tracker
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- Where we can
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- We're going to be essentially tracking every single instance
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- That we can verify that the community
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- Will soon be able to send us information on. yeah.
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- And you saw,
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- Karen bass there,
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- And then we have another disgraced big city mayor.
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- This is, lori lightfoot just getting in on the action.
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- 290 we start the process of unmasking the agents.
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- Even though they're wearing masks.
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- Every single one of them has a towel.
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- You say unmasking.
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- They're going to say you're going to dox them.
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- And that's why threats against them are up.
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- They are on public property out in the open.
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- We have an absolute right under our constitution
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- To be able to document what's happening.
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- Every single one of those agents height, weight, hair
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- Color, they wear their vests in a particular way.
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- They're wearing insignias.
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- Even the masks that they wear, the shoes that they wear,
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- The cars that they're driving, we have a right to,
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- Compile that information.
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- So she's claiming she has a constitutional right
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- To essentially dox track and endanger
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- Ice agents that are enforcing federal immigration law.
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- And, by the way, that we're just this this policy of mass
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- Deportations, that
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- Which is voted on by the american people
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- After joe biden let in 10 million
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- Plus illegals, streaming to this country.
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- And so now they're they're doing it.
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- So you're seeing it.
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- This is the at the federal level.
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- You're seeing this at the local level.
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- There's letitia james who's
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- Who's getting in on the action here.
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- Jack 288. let's play that cut.
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- They new portal
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- Where residents can send photos and videos of ice operations.
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- James
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- As a portal is meant to review
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- And investigate legal violations by agents.
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- And her statement referenced tuesday's
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- Immigration raid in chinatown in new york city.
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- Meantime, house democrats say
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- They will launch their own similar ice tracker.
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- U.s. attorney general pam bondi criticizing that effort,
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- So so jack, we've got two different,
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- Efforts here, to track ice agents.
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- And stephen miller is livid.
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- He's saying how much more blood
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- Has to be spilled by democrats before this madness stops.
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- And that's exactly where my head goes.
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- We just exactly right, by the way, just on
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- You hear this violent
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- Rhetoric and you hear this violent.
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- And again, these are taking steps.
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- So when you when you talk about the
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- It's like
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- When you talk to lawyers about what it,
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- You know, how do you constitute a conspiracy.
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- Well there's a conspiracy to commit violence.
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- Well, taking steps in furtherance of a conspiracy
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- Is how you move from just talking about something
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- Like, oh, i hate that. i hate that guy so much.
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- You know? you know, i could murder amber, right?
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- That's free speech.
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- But when you take steps
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- In furtherance
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- Of the conspiracy,
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- That's when it crosses into a legal action.
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- And so
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- What they're saying out there at the low level are saying
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- We are going to kill the ice agents.
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- We are going to shoot at them. they have shot at them.
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- This guy, down in dallas had the anti ice
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- Written on the bullet casings.
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- And now what do we see.
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- They're giving lists.
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- They're trying to put out addresses.
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- They want another killer.
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- They're taking steps in furtherance of the conspiracy.
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- In genesis
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- 12 three, god made a powerful promise
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- To abraham, the father of the jewish people.
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- I will bless those who bless you.
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- The christian bible tells us
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- That we have been grafted into god's family tree.
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- The rich olive tree of israel,
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- The very foundations of the christian faith,
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- The bible and jesus, whom christians call
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- The messiah, are deeply rooted in israel.
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- Supporting israel aligns christians with god's
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- Prophetic timeline.
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- It demonstrates our willingness to be instruments of
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- God's blessing, uplifting his chosen people,
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- And it calls us to confront and heal
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- The centuries old wounds of anti-semitism.
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- The scripture says how good and how
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- Pleasant it is when brethren dwell together.
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- You can be part of this historic movement
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- Of bringing light to our world.
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- Learn more by going to ifc.
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- J.org today.
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- J.org today.
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- Jack posobiec, who is remote,
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- Not in the studio, but he's holding it down
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- With us here, and we thank him for that.
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- So, jack,
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- I mean, i'm just i'm looking at a list of stories here
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- That i want to get to with you.
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- So we got to
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- We got we got to move here because
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- I want to get to all of them.
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- We got the pentagon media credential list.
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- I think you're
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- You're important for that just from a media perspective.
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- We got this nba thing about that.
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- Yeah that the nba sports betting scandal
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- That just happened this morning
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- With, fbi arrested like 34 people,
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- And there's mafia ties up there, you know, good.
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- Goodell's back, and, bad bunny,
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- You know, jen serkis coming after ushe and jd vance.
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- There's a cdl story, another cdl story
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- Out of, california.
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- Another guy named, wasn't.
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- It's another illegal alien from india.
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- Yeah.
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- And this is, sing sing sing sing.
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- Yeah, yeah, i was like, that doesn't sound right. patel's.
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- Because the fbi thing is more
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- So, you're you've got all your you've got
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- All your stories are blurring together.
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- They're blurring together.
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- So, jack, tell us about this pentagon thing.
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- The way i understand it is that the pentagon
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- And this is, of course, you know, our good friend pete
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- Hedges said who charlie fought real hard to get, confirmed.
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- And, they, they basically put out
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- New press guidelines saying that you cannot ask
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- Members of, staff, pentagon officials to go off the record.
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- And essentially everybody in the,
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- Press corps that covers the pentagon walked out,
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- Except for groups like tp, usa, the national polls.
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- Tell us about this story from give you just give us your
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- Media perspective on this.
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- Yeah.
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- So, you know, i would when i was reached out to about the,
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- New pentagon press corps by the department of war
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- And their press office, i jumped at the chance.
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- I mean, why wouldn't i want human events
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- And our entire team from there and the post millennial
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- To get in on the stories to embed with, as new media
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- For any of these things, like i just did with,
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- The secretary of war as well as the president down
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- To the navy to 50th.
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- And i had the opportunity to go to the marine corps 250
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- As it didn't work out
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- Time wise with, with the vice president advance.
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- And so you want to be able
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- To do that coverage now, the media,
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- Of course, they prior to this administration,
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- They were given free rein of the pentagon.
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- They were allowed to walk around the halls.
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- They were allowed, you know, access
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- Like just just a complete an, honestly,
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- I can understand from the pentagon's
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- Perspective, perhaps inappropriate
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- Level of access, because what have they been dealing with?
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- Leaks.
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- They've been dealing with very bad
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- Political leaks, the likes of which
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- Have turned into impeachments, like the one
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- That started with a guy on the national security council
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- Leaking to the, leaking to the press.
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- Specifically david ignatius in the washington post.
- 00:11:00.978 --> 00:11:03.514
- And then you saw, the general flynn case started with leaks.
- 00:11:03.514 --> 00:11:06.016
- So they've been dealing
- 00:11:06.016 --> 00:11:07.118
- With all of these leaks over the years.
- 00:11:07.118 --> 00:11:08.486
- What they're trying to do is fight those leaks.
- 00:11:08.486 --> 00:11:11.188
- Look, the press is the press.
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- The press has the first amendment.
- 00:11:12.389 --> 00:11:13.657
- And we at human events and the post millennial
- 00:11:13.657 --> 00:11:16.560
- Are certainly going to exercise our first amendment rights.
- 00:11:16.560 --> 00:11:18.963
- No one ever tells us what to write.
- 00:11:18.963 --> 00:11:20.865
- Never, never tells me what to say.
- 00:11:20.865 --> 00:11:22.333
- And i would honestly bristle if anyone did.
- 00:11:22.333 --> 00:11:24.335
- And they know that's not how this game works.
- 00:11:24.335 --> 00:11:26.070
- But at the same time, we're
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- Going to tell what we hear and what we find out
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- Publicly and honestly,
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- And we are not going to put any spin on it.
- 00:11:31.942 --> 00:11:34.078
- And people can go
- 00:11:34.078 --> 00:11:35.146
- And look at my record all the way through, the,
- 00:11:35.146 --> 00:11:37.715
- You know, the strikes in iran or the israel,
- 00:11:37.715 --> 00:11:41.385
- You know, the israel conflict with hamas in gaza.
- 00:11:41.385 --> 00:11:44.288
- And we covered it here with charlie every single day.
- 00:11:44.288 --> 00:11:46.924
- When all of that was going on,
- 00:11:46.924 --> 00:11:48.192
- We had a massive live stream about it, telling everybody
- 00:11:48.192 --> 00:11:51.195
- What, what was going to happen and what our analysis was.
- 00:11:51.195 --> 00:11:53.764
- So we are going to stick to that.
- 00:11:53.764 --> 00:11:56.133
- And if the mainstream media is upset that,
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- That the pentagon is actually taking these leaks
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- Seriously, then i think they kind of seem
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- To have forgotten what their actual role is.
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- Yeah.
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- I mean, i just,
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- You know, i have worked in press
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- And media, from a pr perspective,
- 00:12:10.781 --> 00:12:13.784
- You know, i did all of charlie's
- 00:12:13.784 --> 00:12:15.419
- Crisis pr and booked him on all the media hits like crazy
- 00:12:15.419 --> 00:12:19.323
- And really never had anything and handled profiles, etc.
- 00:12:19.323 --> 00:12:22.193
- And i will tell you that, you know, there are good
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- People in the press corps that are at the national level,
- 00:12:25.896 --> 00:12:28.566
- Legacy media level.
- 00:12:28.566 --> 00:12:30.534
- And there are a pit of vipers, that will make up
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- The remainder.
- 00:12:33.304 --> 00:12:34.471
- And you have to understand, this is the most entitled,
- 00:12:34.471 --> 00:12:38.175
- Pretentious,
- 00:12:38.509 --> 00:12:40.744
- I would say career that one might choose,
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- Or just the disposition of those people
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- That, tend to occupy that career in that profession.
- 00:12:46.383 --> 00:12:49.954
- And. yeah, to your point, it doesn't seem like, listen,
- 00:12:49.954 --> 00:12:52.890
- You can work outside of the halls of the pentagon
- 00:12:52.890 --> 00:12:55.759
- And still ask for something on background or off the record.
- 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:58.429
- They're just saying, like, while you're in this building,
- 00:12:58.429 --> 00:13:00.965
- You cannot do that.
- 00:13:00.965 --> 00:13:02.199
- And that that's the new rule.
- 00:13:02.199 --> 00:13:03.801
- I don't see what the big deal is.
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- Post millennial human events and national polls.
- 00:13:04.935 --> 00:13:07.271
- Gateway pundit you know, it's going to be a whole new day
- 00:13:07.271 --> 00:13:10.774
- At the pentagon, and the press is just going to opt out.
- 00:13:10.774 --> 00:13:13.477
- Don't be surprised
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- When you don't get the don't get the stories more of a
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- Replace the press pool. exactly.
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- We are the media now. we'll be right back.
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- We have a third person going to be joining
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- Us, the great megan basham from she.
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- Let's go.
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- She is the author of the new york times best selling book.
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- They couldn't keep her off shepherds for sale.
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- So, megan, you, you had this.
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- Really?
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- I think just,
- 00:14:53.350 --> 00:14:54.517
- You know, sometimes you see somebody, they crystallize
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- Something for you in a moment, in a tweet, in a thought.
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- And this has been something
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- That's really been bothering me, actually.
- 00:15:03.760 --> 00:15:05.528
- And i had i didn't have words for it.
- 00:15:05.528 --> 00:15:07.564
- But, you know, obviously when charlie, was murdered,
- 00:15:07.564 --> 00:15:11.434
- There was this amazing outpouring of support and love
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- And rightly so.
- 00:15:14.804 --> 00:15:15.705
- And so, like, i'm not here to
- 00:15:15.705 --> 00:15:17.340
- To hold people like i don't i'm not trying to be a jerk.
- 00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:20.944
- I don't want to be like you. didn't you?
- 00:15:20.944 --> 00:15:22.579
- You weren't 100% on board before.
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- And so now you can't say anything nice.
- 00:15:24.848 --> 00:15:26.316
- Now that's what i'm saying.
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- I actually think that's a good thing.
- 00:15:27.550 --> 00:15:28.651
- Like i want you. it was megan. not on board.
- 00:15:28.651 --> 00:15:30.520
- Get her off the show.
- 00:15:30.520 --> 00:15:31.688
- Yeah, so this is a debate. megan, we're about to host.
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- I was always like, you it right now, but you said this.
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- Let's go ahead and throw this up to 92.
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- Charlie kirk, two young men.
- 00:15:39.896 --> 00:15:41.197
- You need to go to a bible study instead of a bar.
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- And yet, our evangelical leadership
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- Class kept him at arm's distance
- 00:15:46.069 --> 00:15:48.204
- Because he was an outspoken conservative
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- And trump supporter.
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- All caps.
- 00:15:51.374 --> 00:15:52.042
- That's what the problem is.
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- And i just thought that was so well put in.
- 00:15:54.644 --> 00:15:57.947
- Well, a point well made, megan, because like, yes, everybody
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- Could, you know, especially in evangelical circles,
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- We're not talking about antifa. here are the far left wackos.
- 00:16:04.921 --> 00:16:07.457
- Of course they said this is terrible.
- 00:16:07.457 --> 00:16:09.192
- We condemn this. this is how tragic.
- 00:16:09.192 --> 00:16:11.261
- And our heart goes out, all this stuff.
- 00:16:11.261 --> 00:16:12.762
- But you're right that in life
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- I mean, by the way, our our faith chapters,
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- Our network of churches has doubled.
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- So there's this is this is a mixed bag.
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- There's good there's good stories here.
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- But there is in big eva, as we call it.
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- I was meeting with a pastor yesterday that said
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- Big eva is under god's judgment in his opinion.
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- Okay. you can take. great.
- 00:16:32.882 --> 00:16:34.117
- I agree okay. so so maybe start there.
- 00:16:34.117 --> 00:16:36.686
- And what is the what is the issue here.
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- That is holding big eva back.
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- What is getting in their way from an embrace wholeheartedly.
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- Somebody like charlie.
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- Yeah.
- 00:16:47.130 --> 00:16:47.931
- I'm so glad that you invited me on
- 00:16:47.931 --> 00:16:49.566
- To talk about this, andrew, because it drives me nuts.
- 00:16:49.566 --> 00:16:51.734
- And if you follow me on x,
- 00:16:51.734 --> 00:16:53.236
- You probably have picked up how much it drives me nuts.
- 00:16:53.236 --> 00:16:56.072
- That there is this double standard about embracing
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- Somebody, who is doing evangelism, who is speaking
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- In the christian space, but who is politically connected,
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- Because you will have an organization
- 00:17:07.183 --> 00:17:09.219
- Like the gospel coalition.
- 00:17:09.219 --> 00:17:10.820
- It's a media outlet.
- 00:17:10.820 --> 00:17:12.322
- They also have their, keller center for cultural engagement
- 00:17:12.322 --> 00:17:16.025
- And their fellows, they're it's extremely well known.
- 00:17:16.025 --> 00:17:19.362
- And what they do is they will bring on people like,
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- Michael ware,
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- Who is a democratic operative
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- Who worked in the obama administration,
- 00:17:25.869 --> 00:17:28.371
- And they will put him forward as somebody who is doing faith
- 00:17:28.371 --> 00:17:31.708
- And politics combined very well.
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- They will also have someone
- 00:17:34.444 --> 00:17:35.678
- Like justin gibney of the and campaign,
- 00:17:35.678 --> 00:17:38.548
- Someone who our friend allie beth stuckey has covered a lot,
- 00:17:38.548 --> 00:17:41.784
- Who is a democratic activist, even as he kind of tours
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- To these,
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- Concert allegedly conservative churches and conferences.
- 00:17:47.023 --> 00:17:49.592
- So they're happy to welcome him.
- 00:17:49.592 --> 00:17:51.327
- But they were never happy to welcome charlie.
- 00:17:51.327 --> 00:17:53.796
- You never saw charlie spoken well of on the gospel
- 00:17:53.796 --> 00:17:57.367
- Coalition.
- 00:17:57.367 --> 00:17:58.501
- You never saw him being invited to their conferences.
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- And, i don't know if you have this.
- 00:18:01.638 --> 00:18:03.406
- I sent this over to you,
- 00:18:03.406 --> 00:18:04.741
- But this was the attitude that they took with charlie,
- 00:18:04.741 --> 00:18:07.310
- In 2021, one of their primary writers
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- And, vice president over at the conservative christian
- 00:18:10.980 --> 00:18:14.784
- Publisher crossway said something like, you know,
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- You don't have to give charlie kirk more views, right?
- 00:18:18.655 --> 00:18:22.458
- Yeah. 331 put that put that up. yeah.
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- It's a it's a tweet.
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- 331 there you go.
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- That perfectly encapsulates
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- Sort of the attitude that they took towards charlie.
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- You did not see him getting invited to, chapels
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- To speak at, say, wheaton or biola
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- Or even grove city or any of these colleges
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- That are supposed to be conservative,
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- Christian colleges, orthodox colleges.
- 00:18:46.716 --> 00:18:48.618
- So they were happy to have the democratic operatives
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- On, but they were not happy to have charlie on.
- 00:18:51.354 --> 00:18:54.524
- And then even further, you know,
- 00:18:54.524 --> 00:18:56.392
- When charlie was assassinated, when he was martyred.
- 00:18:56.392 --> 00:18:59.596
- And i want to use that word very specifically,
- 00:18:59.596 --> 00:19:03.299
- They were put in an awkward position
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- Because suddenly people who hadn't been paying
- 00:19:05.101 --> 00:19:07.704
- Attention that closely saw an outpouring of love
- 00:19:07.704 --> 00:19:11.908
- For the lord, a strong, bold christian witness.
- 00:19:11.908 --> 00:19:16.446
- And i
- 00:19:16.679 --> 00:19:17.914
- Think that served as a rebuke to the sort of squishy faith
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- That has been embraced
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- And the kind of compromises that we've seen
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- In big evangelicalism.
- 00:19:26.022 --> 00:19:27.624
- So suddenly there was this stark, contrast
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- To what they had been doing, and that put them, i think,
- 00:19:31.027 --> 00:19:34.731
- In a difficult position.
- 00:19:34.731 --> 00:19:35.732
- So you did see some well-wishes after that,
- 00:19:35.732 --> 00:19:38.134
- But just as quickly as you saw the well-wishes
- 00:19:38.134 --> 00:19:40.637
- And you saw the the la manson thing,
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- We're very sorry that this happened.
- 00:19:42.272 --> 00:19:43.773
- They were very careful not to praise his politics.
- 00:19:43.773 --> 00:19:47.510
- And after that you started to even see,
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- I mean, maybe it took
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- Maybe a week, two weeks before the heavily
- 00:19:50.980 --> 00:19:53.416
- Critical article started to come out.
- 00:19:53.416 --> 00:19:54.951
- So then christianity today ran, you know, something on.
- 00:19:54.951 --> 00:19:59.255
- Well, the black voices in our churches are not so happy
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- That we are lamenting charlie kirk's death.
- 00:20:02.659 --> 00:20:05.862
- And by the way, i also want to add christianity
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- Today to those who were
- 00:20:07.997 --> 00:20:09.165
- Very dismissive of charlie before his death,
- 00:20:09.165 --> 00:20:12.035
- But if you went to some of these organizations
- 00:20:12.035 --> 00:20:14.304
- And asked them, why don't you include charlie
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- In some of your events, why don't you invite him?
- 00:20:16.806 --> 00:20:18.808
- I mean, he's the most popular and persuasive
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- Speaker on conservative campuses and all
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- Campuses, really bringing a gospel message.
- 00:20:25.848 --> 00:20:28.584
- Why would you not invite him and include him?
- 00:20:28.584 --> 00:20:30.420
- And what they would tell you is that third way thing,
- 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:32.655
- Which is, well, we don't want to be political.
- 00:20:32.655 --> 00:20:35.024
- We don't want to throw up a political obstacle
- 00:20:35.024 --> 00:20:36.893
- To people coming to christ.
- 00:20:36.893 --> 00:20:38.194
- And yet one that wasn't true because they would have left
- 00:20:38.194 --> 00:20:41.831
- Wing, quote unquote christians.
- 00:20:41.831 --> 00:20:44.000
- I question the faith of some of those people,
- 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:45.968
- But they would have people who worked
- 00:20:45.968 --> 00:20:47.370
- In the obama administration.
- 00:20:47.370 --> 00:20:48.604
- They would have people
- 00:20:48.604 --> 00:20:49.238
- Who are democratic activists
- 00:20:49.238 --> 00:20:50.973
- Coming and being a part of their organization.
- 00:20:50.973 --> 00:20:52.909
- So that wasn't true.
- 00:20:52.909 --> 00:20:54.610
- And then the other thing was, i think that charlie,
- 00:20:54.610 --> 00:20:57.180
- And i didn't have time to grab a clip of this,
- 00:20:57.180 --> 00:20:59.482
- But it's circulating out there on social media.
- 00:20:59.482 --> 00:21:01.551
- He wasn't afraid
- 00:21:01.551 --> 00:21:02.752
- To call out their sins, the big evangelical machine sense.
- 00:21:02.752 --> 00:21:06.289
- And i think that is
- 00:21:06.289 --> 00:21:07.190
- Another reason that they didn't want him,
- 00:21:07.190 --> 00:21:08.491
- Because who knows what he might say.
- 00:21:08.491 --> 00:21:11.227
- You know, he he kind of boldly called out biola,
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- Which is a well known evangelical, institution
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- School.
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- He said, look, biola is lost.
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- They have brought in transgender ideology.
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- They are teaching queer theory.
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- And for that reason i cannot recommend their school.
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- Now, that is not how you know, the associational games
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- Are played in big evangelicalism.
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- So charlie didn't play the game.
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- And so, you know, they didn't invite him
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- For that reason,
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- Even though he was more effective
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- At bringing young people to christ
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- Than anyone else in our generation.
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- And, you know, i've seen it in my own life.
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- Just this week, my husband has a young trainer,
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- You know, buff belt, 20 something, tatted up,
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- And he came to us a couple of weeks ago
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- After charlie's death and just said, hey,
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- Can i come to church with you?
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- I am feeling really affected by all this,
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- And you've been inviting me, and i want to come.
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- This these are testing moments in our culture.
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- These are testing moments.
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- And you either pass the test or you fail it.
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- And the gospel
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- Will march forward and the revival that charlie's
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- Martyrdom has sparked will march forward.
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- And, the question is, do you want to be a part of it
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- Or not? megan basham this was excellent.
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- I so enjoyed this and we'll see you tomorrow.
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- Thanks so much.
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- We truly are living in a historic time.
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- After 738 days, the 20 living israeli hostages
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- Have been released from captivity
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- And those who were killed will finally rest in peace near
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- Their loved ones. praise god!
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- In this time of celebration, our good friends
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- At the international fellowship of christians and jews
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- Send their deepest gratitude for your prayers
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- And unwavering support.
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- Thanks to you, the fellowship has provided
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- $300 million in emergency aid since october 7th,
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- Including millions in direct support for the hostages
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- And their families.
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- Of course, the road ahead is still a long one.
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- Much needs to be done to restore
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- And revive these victims of terrorism.
- 00:23:03.272 --> 00:23:05.575
- But that's exactly what the fellowship does.
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- For example,
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- They're assisting returned hostages,
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- Along with their families and friends, with immediate
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- Medical, psychological and financial support.
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- They're also providing
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- Mental health care for israelis of all ages.
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- To find out how you can help, visit ifc.org.
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- That's ifc.org.
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