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Luigi mangione is back in the news this morning.
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Obviously, that's a topic that, strikes
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Near and dear to our heart here on the charlie kirk show.
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Luigi mangione, in a big way, contributed to this rise
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Of assassination culture.
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It's something that charlie was very worried about.
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And just this morning, judge caro,
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Who's overseeing the state case here, has ruled that
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The backpack that was next to luigi mangione
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In the mcdonald's where he was arrested.
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So he's sitting at a table.
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There's a backpack either
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On a table adjacent to him or on the floor.
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And they have it has been ruled
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That the contents of that backpack are inadmissible.
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That includes they will be suppressed. yes.
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Cell phone, his passport.
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Magazine, i assume.
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Is it a gun magazine? bullet magazine?
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Magazine? wallet and computer check.
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Computer chip.
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I'm not sure what the computer chip is here.
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Let's go ahead and,
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Play that scene from inside the courtroom.
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Saw 13.
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I find that the search of the backpack
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At the mcdonald's was improper.
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Warrantless search,
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That the
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Backpack was not within the control
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Or probable area of the defendant,
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And further, that people failed to demonstrate
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Extra concern competences.
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Therefore,
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Those items found in the backpack during the search at
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The mcdonald's will be suppressed.
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However, the people have established
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That the subsequent search of the backpack at the station
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Was a valid inventory search and therefore the items
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Recovered at the station will not be suppressed.
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Just to go into this rule, because i had to look it up
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When this ruling came through.
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No, it is typically not illegal to search,
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A suspect's backpack when they have been apprehended
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Under the search incident to a lawful arrest exception
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To the fourth amendment,
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Meaning that for the officer safety,
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If the backpack is in or around the person
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That's been arrested, the suspect in this case,
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Then the immediate association with the suspect
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That's been lawfully apprehended is then fair game.
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They should be able to search that.
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There is, however, some exceptions.
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So if the suspect is in the car
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And like the police car in the back, he's handcuffed
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And they haven't searched the backpack yet,
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They may need to get a warrant for that.
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So this looks to be basically a gray area.
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My question for this judge would be what was to say
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That there wasn't a bomb inside that backpack?
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Yeah, it's very strange.
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You could hear it in the clip where he's saying
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Essentially the backpack was basically,
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It sounds like too far away from luigi when they detain,
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Like, what's the distance you were holding the backpack?
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They could have searched it.
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Yeah,
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But i guess it was maybe on the other side of the table
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Or the cops could get between them.
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It sounds very, very ticky tack either way.
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Ticky tacky.
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So, so just so you know, the,
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The idea of, of a backpack or a possession being
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In the immediate association or vicinity of a suspect.
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This includes clothing, wallets, purses and backpacks
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That the person is wearing, carrying
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Or had in their immediate possession.
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The justification is officer safety.
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Are there any weapons and preserving evidence?
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So if the backpack is separated from the suspect,
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As the suspect is being secure,
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Handcuffed in a patrol car,
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Under control with no realistic access,
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Some courts, like the fourth circuit, have, provided
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The reasoning
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That may require a warrant or other justification,
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Treating it
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More like a container as as opposed to part of the person.
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So that's obviously what the judge has ruled here.
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Apparently body cam footage was used in this
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Hearing to come to this ruling.
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Very, very frustrating though, because obviously
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They had probable cause.
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They checked his id,
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They arrested him at the mcdonald.
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The backpack was on the floor or on the table.
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So two questions then immediately come to mind.
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What is the distance away from the suspect that it
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All of a sudden becomes a warranted search?
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And and by the way, again, what if there was a bomb
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In the backpack?
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This feels absolutely like the judge is sympathetic
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To luigi maggio, a cold blooded murderer.
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An assassin.
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Well, so okay,
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Let's on the flip side, we should emphasize,
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You see two different headlines,
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And it kind of shows, i think, different
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Perspectives of media outlets because some fox
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Certainly they're leading with
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All of this evidence is getting suppressed.
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It's a big win.
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But other publications are emphasizing
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They are allowed to use his gun,
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And they are allowed to use, his diary.
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And i suspect that means that they're allowed
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To use his manifesto, which is 260 pages, are words
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Approximately saying basically, he's motivated
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By how angry he is about the health care system.
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And that's pretty strong evidence overall.
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So i think we can be hopeful.
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There's still a lot here.
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What i will say is
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The uneasy feeling i've had, you've had,
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I think a lot of people have had is it
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Seems like every couple months we get a new development
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And it's always away from what we want.
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So first they're going to seek
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The death penalty with him now.
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Now they can't seek the death penalty for whatever reason.
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And now they're suppressing some evidence.
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Maybe next time other evidence is going to get suppressed.
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It's always
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One little development after another in favor of this
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Guy who we should remind everyone heinously murdered.
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It seems a stranger in cold blood.
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A father because he was angry about the industry
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The man worked in, which the man did not create.
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The man did not really perpetuate.
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He was just a ceo of a health insurance company.
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And by the way, guys all have, you know,
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Health insurance is not the reason u.s.
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Health care is expensive.
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No. well, that's the thing.
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So big pharma is watching this whole show trial go on.
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And they're overjoyed. right.
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There was an observation
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That walter kern made, and i agree with it.
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And basically, it's a giant distraction
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From the fact that this man is a cold blooded killer
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Who is sparking this rise in assassination culture.
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We'll let charlie take it away here so that 16
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Look, you got two options.
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You can go maga or maggio ism.
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You go to maga, or you can go mamdani ism, you can go maga
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Or, you know, mohammed ism.
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It's very funny
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How all the m's maga is the only option on the right.
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Neoconservatives are not coming back.
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The corporate oligarchs,
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We're not going to let him. so maga has cemented
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The worldview of the american right.
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But the left, we don't know.
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It could go mad. gionee, which is the most extreme.
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You could go mamdani, which
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Is very extreme, or you go, mohammadi muhammad ism,
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Which is just, you know, muslim islamic takeover.
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You get reform or you get revolution.
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We get maga one reform stuff, political
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Undercurrent underneath mad gionee
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That cannot be ignored, that should not be dismissed.
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And that political reality is that is
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On the american left
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On the american left
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Blake what's the breaking.
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President trump has announced his endorsement.
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And even though all of ten minutes ago
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It was 80% for cornyn, he is endorsing
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Ken paxton ken paxton, do we have the track in there?
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There we go. it's a very long one.
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We'll do a few highlight lines, he says.
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The highly respected attorney general of texas,
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Ken paxton, an america first patriot
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And someone who has always been
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Extremely loyal to me and our amazing maga movement,
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Is running for the u.s.
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Senate to represent a place i love and won big three times.
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With 6.4 million votes in 2024,
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The most in the history of the state by far.
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Very trumpian tweet here.
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Yes. want to celebrate this.
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This is a good, good moment
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For the base, good moment for the coalition.
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I think this is the 100% correct decision.
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And again, we talk about coalition building.
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We talk about keeping that 2024 coalition together.
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This is this is an endorsement that helps him do that.
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So very, very good news here.
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Very, very happy
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That this is the decision that was made
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When a lot of people said it was going to go the other way.
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The prediction markets had 80%.
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Cornyn. just minutes ago.
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You would have lost a lot of money on that bet.
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So there you are.
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So, well done, president trump.
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If you're watching, i was told that,
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It was possible you were watching this morning.
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So if you're still watching,
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Congratulations on a great decision.
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I want to bring in georgetown.
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Who is a career prosecutors and newsmax contributor.
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But he's he's been in so many, criminal
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Cases, violent crimes, death penalty cases.
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Jay, welcome back to the show, sir.
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Great to have you.
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So this morning, there is, ongoing right now.
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There is a trial.
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There's a hearing, going on.
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Judge tony graff is hearing arguments,
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From the defense on various topics.
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You, you know, you've been you had a busy morning,
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But you're catching bits and pieces of it here. jay.
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It seems to be most of this around so far has been around
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Is they're trying to get the one of the prosecutors
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Held in contempt for breaking a gag order,
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And it appears to be related to that atf report,
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Which was the first time we had you, on the show.
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What are you hearing and seeing? jay?
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Yeah.
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So rule 3.6.
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So the
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Rules of professional responsibility,
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Which every lawyer has to follow.
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And as a prosecutor, relevant
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Here, says that it's it involves pretrial publicity.
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And so you can't make extrajudicial statements,
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Meaning out of court statements,
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That would materially prejudice the defendant.
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So let's say i know something is hearsay and inadmissible,
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But i go on tv and i talk about that evidence,
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Knowing that a jury's never going to hear it.
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That is an extra judicial statement that does
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Materially prejudice defendant in is prohibited the problem.
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And i'm glad the state prosecutors nailed
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The robinson's defense counsel on this today,
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Because this bugged me the first time
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You had me on your show and all we had
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We didn't have the atf report at the time, but i told you
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That i guarantee you that that atf report suggests that,
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It could not be excluded,
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That the bullet found in charlie
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Kirk's body came from that rifle.
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It wasn't just that they were unable to identify,
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A match between the bullet and the rifle,
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And that it was a 30 caliber class bullet.
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Meaning that's the type of bullet
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That is fired from the gun that has robinson's dna on it.
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But that was excluded from the defense counsel's motion.
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Sure enough, we get the atf reports exactly what it said.
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We also understand
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That it says it's unable to identify or exclude, right.
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Or exclude, meaning we don't know
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Because it was such badly damaged,
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Shrapnel mushroomed round that was found in charlie's body.
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So we just can't, give any meaningful analysis to it to
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Match the striations of the 36 that was found in in jail.
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Just, don't mean to interrupt you,
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But i got to throw this original image up.
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This.
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So this all came back down
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To the daily mail article that came out at the time,
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Which let's let's just read their headline here.
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Bullet used to kill charlie kirk did not all caps
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Did not match. not match.
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Rifle allegedly used by suspect tyler
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Roberts, a new court filing claims this sent the internet
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And the twittersphere absolutely bonkers ablaze.
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Crazy, right?
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So for like, it was like 36 hours, this thing did,
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I don't know, 40 million engagements on twitter alone,
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Let alone all the youtube videos
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That were made of it, tiktoks and everything.
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So, it this misleading headline went
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Probably three times
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Around the world before
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The truth had a chance to get its pants on.
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And so the defense attorney or the prosecutor apparently.
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Let me just pull up the exact quote,
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Because it because it is it is important.
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I want to make sure i get my my exact quote here, sir.
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He apparently spoke to the press
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And this would be chris ballard on the the prosecution's team
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Said when a bullet fragment analysis comes back
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Is inconclusive,
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That means the fragment did not contain enough detail
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For the examiner to say one way or the other.
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We have ample evidence to demonstrate
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Beyond a reasonable doubt that tyler
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Robinson committed this murder.
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And we will present some of that evidence
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At the upcoming preliminary hearing.
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And then we will present all that evidence at the trial
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When you hear that quote directly.
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So this is the quote in question
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That they're saying that, that chris ballard
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Should be held in contempt for making that statement
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To the press when you see it in context,
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Right, of what the media was doing,
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The daily mail article specifically
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That you came on the show the next day to, to rebut,
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What do you do?
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You feel like he broke that rule,
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Or do you think he's well within his rights?
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No. absolutely not.
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And here's why.
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The defense motion that said that they were unable
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To identify that bullet
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Matching the gun, and that they want to call the atf now
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To present exculpatory meaning not guilty, didn't do it.
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Not you can't prove this beyond a reasonable doubt
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Because there is exculpatory evidence in this atf report.
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That's what the defense motion said.
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Like you said, that went around the world
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Before the truth can put on its pants.
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And so the under rule 3.6,
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It was heavily cited by defense counsel today,
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It allows the prosecution to go out and correct
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The record when they have been materially prejudiced
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By incorrect and misleading statements.
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And he nailed the defense counsel.
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He didn't say that it was their intent,
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And he didn't blame the media for running with it.
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Who wouldn't? right.
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If you read that motion, you think, oh my god,
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The bullet doesn't match the gun.
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I knew what it meant
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Because i've read
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Hundreds of firearms and two mark reports from the atf,
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But in the defense
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Counsel knew what it meant to be in two smart by half,
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And they were called on it today.
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I don't think the judge is going to fall for this.
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This is this is absurd to me.
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Maybe he'll entertain some more motions.
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But there is nothing
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Contemptuous about correcting the record
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When they've been materially prejudiced.
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They being the state of utah.
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Well, in in in.
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Listen, i don't mean to to read too deeply into this, blake.
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You're you're not an attorney,
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But you sometimes play one on tv.
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The the, but but but they're, they're motion that they made
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That the daily mail extracted that headline for it left out
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All of the other perspective.
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Right.
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And so that the person is just sitting there.
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Meanwhile, like i said, the story's getting millions
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And millions of engagement.
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It's getting people are getting worked into a lather.
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And the conspiracy rounds in this cottage industry,
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That's been drummed up.
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And so if we're talking about prejudicing a defendant
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Or a jury or whatever, that's the prejudice that i'm saying.
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So you almost are obligated, it seems to me to have to
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Give something of the contrary, to give the other side of the
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Coin, as it were, at that.
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That's and i'm not a lawyer,
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But that feels reasonable to me.
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Well, and you're doing an excellent job.
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It's showing that it's not that difficult.
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Right. yeah.
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But it the, the, the they have a duty.
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The prosecution has a duty
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To be zealous under the same rules, professional conduct.
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And they have a duty
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To collect the correct the public record.
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Remember, they didn't comment
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Until that atf report was unsealed and became public.
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And, it was several weeks, if not well over a month,
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That went by between that 12 months
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Between that defense counsel's motion,
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The reporting and when it be, you know, got corrected.
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And we did that on your show and said exactly
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What you and i talked about, it would say.
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So this is part of their duty actually to correct the record
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Because it is impacting their jury pool.
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They don't.
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And that's not zealous defense of your client,
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Their client
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Being the state of utah,
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The laws of the state of utah,
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And the people who reside there.
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So, they did exactly what they're supposed to do today.
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What happens if chris ballard is found in contempt?
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What are the consequences and the ramifications?
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I don't see a universe for that happens.
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I do, i honestly, but what i will say is that,
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I mean, he could he could be fined.
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He could be told he can't do it again.
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He could be reported to the bar.
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He's not going to be removed from the case.
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None of that's going to happen.
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What ballard did was not contemptuous.
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He's not a contender,
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As a new word, that the defense like to say
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Several times today,
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As if they just write an appellate brief.
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So it is to me,
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I find it incredible that we're even there today.
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Not to mention that they want to close
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The entire preliminary hearing down.
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So the media can't watch all this evidence against tyler
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Robinson in which there is mounting.
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And i'll suggest that
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They can waiver prelim hearing anytime they want to.
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They don't have to have it if they think it's
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Going to prejudice their client client.
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Instead, they want to keep a public trial,
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Which is a constitutional right out of public view.
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And that's an option.
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The judge wasn't buying that either.
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Jay, i have more questions for you.
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And i want to get blake to weigh in here.
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Can you stay one more segment real quick or.
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Okay, hang tight right there, jay.
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Well, we're.
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I know your time is tight today.
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I know your time is tight today.
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All right.
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More j down here.
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J i mentioned i want to get blake in here
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Because, you know, one of the pushbacks,
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The last
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Hearing from the defense was that
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They hadn't got all the discovery.
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Now they're saying that they've got
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They've we've handed over all the discovery.
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We've gotten additional discovery,
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Including thousands
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And thousands of files from ring cameras
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And residential neighborhoods and stuff like that.
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What?
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How how much is that element of this discovery?
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Is that going to play into this case?
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Do you believe?
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Yeah.
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Well, and very quickly, before i answer your question,
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I just want to say that the reach
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Of this show and charlie kirk's legacy continues.
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Well beyond charlie kirk's death.
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My wife texted me during the break
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Saying, she's actually watching me.
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I didn't even tell her i was going to be on,
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But that's that's just how, the my family loves you guys.
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And loves what you're doing. love, charlie.
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In the kirk family, and i'm i'm glad to be
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Helping out with this story.
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To answer your question, the next thing.
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And she's beautiful. i love my wife.
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What i can tell bless your wife is.
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Yeah. is that, they're gonna.
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The next complaint is going to be
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There's too much discovery, right?
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We can't possibly go through it all.
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We need years and experts
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And more money and, software to kind of parse through it.
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And so that's going to be the next show.
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Give us it all. well, now, you given us too much.
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How could we possibly
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Get through all of this before the prelim?
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Let's extend that out another year,
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Because we have all this video to watch
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And we have to have an expert tell us is
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What's wrong with his gait.
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When he's walking with the gun down his pants, for instance.
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And so those are those are all just defense tactics.
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And i don't think the
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I think the judge is tiring quickly of this defense team.
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Yeah, i noticed that too.
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Some of, in the clips you hear judge graf
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Actually going, isn't that too broad? isn't that too far?
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Like he does seem to be losing some pitch?
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I don't know if you're seeing the same
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Thing, blake, but that's what i just.
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I just keep thinking
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About the bigger picture thing that we've had,
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What, a dozen hearings at this point.
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By now,
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All these back and forth motions,
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They want to push back this hearing.
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We literally
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We haven't entered a plea so far, to my understanding.
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I'm looking at the timeline of other famous trials
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In the o.j. simpson case.
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He was arraigned and pleaded not guilty eight days
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After the murder.
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And like if you still on up to this.
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Yeah. and here we still have no plea.
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What what do you read into that judge?
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I guess
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My bigger picture question that i'd like to answer is,
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Is this a is this quirks of utah law?
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Is this quirks of modern capital case law?
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Is all of this normal?
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And we just normally don't see it
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Because cases aren't this high profile?
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Or is this case truly unusual?
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Great question. yeah.
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So i will say for capital litigation
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The judge is going to entertain it.
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He's not going to throw papers
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In the air and his hands in the air,
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Because they've all conceded in their minds at this moment,
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I guarantee you that tyler robertson will be found guilty.
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And that, he will be sentenced to death.
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And that's why they are peppering the record
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With all these little tiny issues about contempt or,
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You know, open courtrooms in the media and where
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We've gotten too much discovery and you're rushing us.
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Those are just things that appellate courts
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Will review,
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And determine if a fifth amendment
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Right was violated because of that speed.
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That's why the judges being so deliberate in this case.
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Yeah.
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So that i mean, that's that's been my read as well, jay.
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It is it feels like the judge is aware
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Of the strategy here to pepper the record.
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Try and get something that it make him make a mistake,
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So that it can be reviewed on appeal
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Or overturned or re litigated in some way, shape or form
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Or fashion in the future.
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It feels like, though judge graf is on to this, and he's
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Playing this very deliberately, very fairly on purpose.
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I have one other question here for you.
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So, you know, the the the issue of was
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Tyler robinson radicalized by outsiders?
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Did other people know it?
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You know,
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I believe that those investigations
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Are still ongoing technically by the fbi.
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I would love more intel on it, candidly, but
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Do you believe that that plays any role?
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In the prosecution of tyler robinson specifically?
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Right.
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So we
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We know we have a mountain of evidence
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That suggests that he was the individual
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That pulled the trigger.
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He's, you know, confessions pulled
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In, you know, brought in by family members,
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All of these things dna, the bullets, the gun.
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But if there's other people involved, how does that impact?
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Because i do believe that's still an open question.
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That's fair to ask.
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But how does that impact, what goes on with tyler robinson?
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Yeah, the only way it would i mean,
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So it doesn't impact his guilt at all.
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It i mean, if there was 20 coconspirators
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And we didn't know who they were, and tyler robinson
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Is still going to trial for the death of charlie kirk.
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And he's still facing the death penalty.
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So it doesn't change any of the evidence
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Or the proofs against him.
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The only thing that if there was such a thing,
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And he knew about them, you know,
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The state could cut a deal with him
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To get more information about those individuals
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That that's the only sort of value
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To charlie kirk that could, sort of minimize
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The exposure to his sentence, but otherwise it doesn't.
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It's not exculpatory.
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If anything,
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If there's coconspirators, it's just more evidence
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Of the crime itself and the premeditation.
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That's right. that's not helpful to him.
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If he's going to suggest, as they have continued to do,
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That, he's not guilty, i would suggest to you
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That the evidence is i've i've proven cases beyond
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A reasonable doubt, with way less evident
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Than what the state of utah has against tyler robinson.
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Yeah.
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And in some ways, when you talk about discovery
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And just how much there is, it's kind of like
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It's all sort of the context.
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The underlying context
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Is just this mountain of evidence
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That's going to be very
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Difficult for the defense to argue against.
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Yeah, georgetown.
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Thank you so much. yeah, yeah.
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Final 10s where can people follow you, jay, as you're
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Doing analysis on this and other other cases
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That you can find me at georgetown, alabama on x.
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And thanks for having me on, guys.
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God bless you. yeah. god bless you, too.
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Thank you for, being willing to jump on.
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I know you had a busy morning, jay. so thank you so much.
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