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Charlie Kirk Today | Joel "Gator" Warsh: December 15, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | December 15, 2025

Brought to you in part by the
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International fellowship of christians and jews.
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Hey, everybody, welcome
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To a very special episode of the charlie kirk show.
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We're going to have a long form discussion about some changes
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That are happening at the cdc, conversations
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That are continuing to evolve when it comes to vaccines
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And autism, about the hep b shot
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And getting deep into questions that we receive here
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At the charlie kirk show, for moms all around the country
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Wanting to know how they should be addressing
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And thinking about
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The issues that come up when they have their own children,
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When they're pregnant.
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There's so much here and so much practical,
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Discussions that we need to have
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For you out there in the audience, that we wanted
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To bring in two experts of this area.
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It's a very dynamic area.
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There's a lot of confusion about it.
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And that's
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What this conversation is designed to do,
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Is to bring clarity in, in a sea of confusion,
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Where there's still a lot of questions
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And where to help us navigate this very important
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Topic is doctor joel gater walsh.
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He's md and author of a new book,
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Between a shot and a hard place,
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You can find him on x and instagram at doctor joel gater.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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I know that, alex clark is also,
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Had you on panels at our events,
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And it's honored to have you back with us here.
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It's an honor to be here.
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And i really appreciate you guys having a vaccine talk.
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I know that that is not something
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That everyone's willing to do, and i think it's so important.
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Well, there's no way to honor charlie
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Kirk, the namesake of this show.
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Then talking about this topic because he was passionate
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About it.
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And, the second guests that we have here is aaron siri.
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He's also the he's the.
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So let me get all of your titles here.
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Because there's a few your civil rights attorney,
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You're the managing partner of siri.
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And gilmore stead llp.
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Your website is siri llp.com,
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And, you know, the author of this book, vaccines.
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Amen.
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Which, has just come out and you guys were before we
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We took the show here.
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You guys were, both read each other's stuff.
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So this is going to be a really
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Fantastic, conversation back and forth.
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And it's not a debate. it really is.
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There's just so many practical questions
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That parents and families are having about this topic.
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And there's been some new changes at the cdc.
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Obviously, rfk is now ahead of hhs.
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There's a lot of controversy about that,
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A lot of discussion about that.
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So we want to
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Just try and help bring clarity to a dynamic, conversation.
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So here to help us also bring clarity to this is riley.
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Marty.
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She is our resident maha expert.
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And you're just a you're just a fan of all things
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Health related.
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You, you and charlie shared that in common.
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And so thank you
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For joining as well and for setting this up.
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So let's get into it.
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These are there's two things i want to take.
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The first thing,
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I think it's a little easier to to wrap our brains around.
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And there's probably
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Fewer questions, but it's very, very important.
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And so that'll
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Be kind of our on ramp into this larger vaccine discussion.
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So on december 5th, the cdc
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Advisory committee on immunization.
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So the acip or acip, voted 8 to 3
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To drop the longstanding universal recommendation
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That every newborn receive hepatitis b vaccines.
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So when it comes to hep b, let's explain
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The logic originally.
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Maybe first with you, doctor gaiter.
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What was the logic of making it mandatory?
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The cdc was was advising it.
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Now they are no longer
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What what was the original
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Rationale for that and why the change?
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So originally,
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When the hepatitis b vaccine was brought out,
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It was more for high risk groups
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Because the main way that you would get
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It would be like an std through sexual contact or,
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Through drug use.
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But there were still tens of thousands of cases every year.
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And so they decided that they would,
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Recommend that to all babies in the first day of life
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To get that hepatitis b to decrease those cases
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Near down to zero.
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And the reality is it did work pretty well.
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I mean, we did see a big decrease
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In the hepatitis b disease, but for something
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That's so rare, let's say it's 1 in 1,000,000.
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You have to ask,
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Giving this vaccine to 3 million kids that don't
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Necessarily need it to protect one kid, is that worth it?
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Within the first 24 hours or within the first 24 hours?
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And then you're talking about the known risks
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And the unknown risks, and you have to weigh that.
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And a lot of other countries have looked
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At that calculation and said, you know what?
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We're going to only recommend it to high risk babies.
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And so what we decided and what acip decided was that
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They are going to go to this high risk
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Group, decision where you're not necessarily
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Going to recommend it for every baby.
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If you are in that high risk group, you could.
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You do it if you want to do it, you can still do it.
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But now it's a shared clinical decision making versus
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An explicit recommendation.
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It was never mandatory per se.
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It was just a recommendation.
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And now they're removing that recommendation
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In place of making it shared clinical decision making.
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So you're saying that basically this new advisory
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Or this new decision eight three which remember
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And you were educating me on this and i remember
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The story is that, you know, rfk came in,
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He basically removed the 17 members of acip.
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Right?
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So i don't know what you would call them,
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The voting, voting members, voting members,
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And now they haven't replaced all of them yet.
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But the one this was an eight
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Three vote to drop this, universal recommendation.
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And your your
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I guess you were we
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Were discussing this before we took, took on the show here,
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But you were saying that some of the risks are fever.
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Other, other known risks that maybe would be
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Potentially worse then,
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I guess i would say worse, but you have to know
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The risk, right?
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This is this is informed consent idea, right?
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I mean, we know that there's a risk of fever.
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And in the hepatitis b trials was about 1 to 5%.
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And if a newborn gets a fever, that's a big deal.
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They're getting a full workup.
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They're getting a lumbar puncture.
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So that's something to keep in mind.
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We also know that they can have
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Encephalitis and encephalopathy.
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We know that they can have
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An immune conditions like young brain syndrome.
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That's just what we know.
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And then there's all the things that we don't know because
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By and large we haven't really studied it long term.
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We're not really sure what it does
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To the immune system long term.
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And if there are long term complications
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And that gets controversial.
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But to be you have to take that into account
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When you're saying that you're protecting
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Only one in 1 million or 1 out of 3 million kids
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For something that you're giving
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To, to all of these kids. so i don't think
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It's unreasonable to have those discussions.
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That's what they decided.
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When the medical community gets upset,
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They're looking at just the the benefits, just the kids
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That are protected.
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But that's not the only thing in the decision tree here.
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And we have to get back to that risk versus benefit analysis.
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And we just haven't been i don't know why
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Medicine doesn't want to do that.
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I don't understand it. just to be clear.
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So for the audience sake,
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Doctor warsh, i know you prefer gator or what?
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I get called gator. okay.
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I don't care.
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Would you describe yourself as anti-vax? absolutely not.
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I mean, you can ask any patient that's been in my office
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Recently that has gotten a vaccine.
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I believe in informed consent.
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I believe people should be able to choose
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What they feel like is best for them.
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I have patients in my office that do the regular schedule,
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Some that do a slow schedule, some that don't do it.
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We have discussions.
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We talk about what we know and what we don't know,
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And then they come up with that decision.
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I've never force anybody to do anything,
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The wounds from
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October 7th didn't fade when the headlines did.
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Behind me rises
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A new rehabilitation home for israel's wounded soldiers.
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One of many urgent projects israel needs right now.
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Entire communities shattered.
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Families displaced.
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And each day,
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The impact of the need grows even more overwhelming.
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But the bible says it clearly.
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The righteous will live by faith and by faith.
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The fellowship is rolling up our sleeves
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And stepping into this immense challenge.
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Helping mothers who don't know where to begin again.
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Standing with paralyzed heroes.
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Fighting to take their first steps.
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Building centers of healing for the wounded
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And the traumatized.
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Bringing food and comfort to elderly israelis
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Who have no one else to care for them.
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To see the life saving work of the fellowship.
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Unfolding across israel right now.
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Visit ifc's dawg.
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Visit ifc's dawg.
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Erin,
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So your civil rights attorney,
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I found it interesting.
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It's just a little things i'm picking up
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As there's the layman here where technically
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It wasn't mandated to get the hep be shot,
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But i don't feel like.
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And i'm trying to remember back to my own experience.
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I don't know, my baby.
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My kids were born in in california,
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So maybe it's different.
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I don't know, but the i don't remember feeling
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Like there was much informed consent with happy.
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It was just kind of done.
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And is there a civil rights component to this?
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You were just at acip.
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You literally flew here, i think, yesterday.
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You came back yesterday, this morning.
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So you were in, in and around this whole debate
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That was ongoing.
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So give us the hep b story from your vantage point.
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And are there civil rights implications to this?
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Sure.
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I'll add one data point on the safety side.
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I'm never heard or not aware of a single baby
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That's ever died from happy on the first day of life,
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But i can tell you definitively that babies have died
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On the first day of life and they're being shot.
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Okay, so including one that was adjudicated
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Not long ago in something called the vaccine
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Injury compensation program, which is the federal program
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Where you can get compensation if you're injured by vaccine.
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And, there was a baby that was adjudicated
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As having died from the shot on the first day of life.
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Also, another just quick data point.
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I'll go to the civil rights question
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Is the very first hepatitis b vaccine was in 1981.
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It was based it was actually, made using the plasma,
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The blood of those who are chronic hepatitis b carriers.
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There were under 300
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Deaths in america for hepatitis b in 1980.
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We are now well over 1500 deaths a year and hepatitis
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B okay, so we haven't actually gone down in mortality.
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This is an interesting data point.
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Do you know what's causing that increase?
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I'll leave that okay.
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For but it's interesting because they always talk about
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Well,
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You know, we have to reduce whenever mortality goes down.
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They immediately attributed to the vaccine
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For mortality goes up.
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Nobody wants to look.
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But let's leave that aside.
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Let's, let's let's look at the data, okay.
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On the civil rights side of things,
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There's absolutely a civil rights component.
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Number one,
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We have endless cases where parents have provided
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Written notice to the hospital that they do not want
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The hepatitis b vaccine as part of their birthing program
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In writing signed.
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And the hospital does it anyway.
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We probably have about over 100 clients
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Like that at the firm right now,
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So my firm has over 100 folks.
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Over about 50 of them do just vaccine related work.
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And one of the things we do
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Is this type of these cases where actually we started
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Taking on these representations,
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They're supported by a
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Group called
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I can, the information action network,
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Because they're not very lucrative.
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So but a nonprofit has decided
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They want to put a stop to this practice.
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And so we've done those cases.
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There's another component to
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We get lots of calls from parents,
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Who are in, they've just given birth their
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And happiest moment of their lives,
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And they've decided they don't want the shot.
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And the hospital is telling them
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If they don't get it, they're going to call cps on them.
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No kidding.
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Yeah, we've had that happen a few in red states, too.
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I mean, is it all across the board because,
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You know,
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You think about red
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Versus blue states,
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But it's actually like a medical establishment
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That is very, very keen on this.
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I will tell you, it's interesting.
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I don't it really comes down
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To whoever the attendant is in that moment.
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Sometimes it's not even the hospital.
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It's not even the state that matters.
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It's the attendant who is the attending physician
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In that hospital.
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In that moment, are they in a good mood?
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What's going on with them that day?
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It really can come down to that.
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I see the doctors even think
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It could be anybody,
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That it could be any got a bad feeling about the situation
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And they just for whatever reason.
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Yeah.
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It just it strikes me that i do not have a, a clear memory
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And now with babies two and three.
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So i've had three, three kids.
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The second,
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The third, i remember being very much more like cued in.
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And i was i was aware of a lot more
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Because i had been through it once before,
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But especially on that, on our oldest, i can't remember
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Even being given the option.
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I can't remember at all.
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Now on the third one, i, i successfully
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Delayed the hep b, like a day, though.
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I mean, it was like, you know,
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We don't need to do that right now.
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And then they, they they they harped on us.
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So what i wasn't going to throw to riley
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Just really quick here because you are a mom,
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You're really in touch with the maha community.
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Like what our mom's saying about the hep hep b stuff.
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It's honestly 2050.
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A lot of moms are saying i'm getting stuff from both sides.
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I don't know,
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You know, i have the things that i'm
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Reading online are scary.
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I don't know how to interpret this.
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If you don't have a science background,
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You don't do your research on your own,
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Even if you do research on your own.
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If you don't understand how to read and interpret,
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Clinical study, you may not know what's right
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And what's wrong or what you're being told.
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It's all over the place.
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I know a lot of the issue is, like with birthing plans.
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I have a one year old, so obviously i was.
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I had my birthing plan.
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Did it change by the time the baby was born?
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But when i walked in, of course, that it happens.
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I made sure that the hospital that i had,
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Was 100% agree with my birth plan,
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That they would accommodate that no matter what.
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But there are a lot of moms that are
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They're scared to go in. they don't know what to expect.
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If you've never had a baby, you
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You don't know what to expect.
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You're reading all this stuff online.
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You're overwhelmed.
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You're already stressed
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Because you're about to have a baby,
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Let alone going in
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And not knowing what you don't know
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Because you don't know what you don't know.
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One of the things was, is making sure that
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That dad is always with baby because you're doing
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Your own thing, you're having the baby.
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But if that doctor takes that
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Baby out, there's a lot of parents
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That are concerned that my birth plan maybe this,
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But i don't 100% trust the establishment.
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I don't 100%
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Trust the doctors
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Or the hospital,
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But they're not going to give my kids something,
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Even though i have it in writing.
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And i've stated that i don't want this.
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I never left my kid side.
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Never a second time my husband was with you from day one.
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Never for a second
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Because they make mistakes and they they have their luck,
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Like you said, that that's the default, right?
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The default is to do all, everything.
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So and there's always nurse changes and shift changes.
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And so you have to assume that they just
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By default will do the things that are on their checklist.
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So i agree fully.
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That christmas morning.
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Wise men brought gifts from outside the holy land.
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But now that the war is over,
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This holy land and her people
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Are still carrying deep wounded.
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Many of the elderly are alone and suffering
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Like the wise men or wise women.
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When you open your heart and give a special holiday food
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Box to someone here in israel
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This christmas chronicles season.
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People like hannah who can't buy food.
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That's where the fellowship is called to feed the hungry.
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Please call, scan or go online now to help rush emergency
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Food and healing to elderly jews
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And their christian neighbors struggling
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To rebuild their lives from the war.
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What will happen when we make this holy day season?
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Holy indeed.
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Holy indeed.
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So wrapping this kind of conversation up
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Is, is difficult because i think that
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I'm probably like a lot of parents out there
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Where you just want somebody to tell you,
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Do this, don't do this, don't do this and do this.
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And it's just such a complicated conversation
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Because it sounds like we don't have the studies
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That most people would assume we have,
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That there are risks in everything.
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And we have to weigh those one by one,
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Meaning the individual has to do their own work.
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The parent has to do their own work.
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Motivated parents are going to do that.
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There's a lot of parents that are not
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Maybe as educated, maybe they're not as informed.
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Maybe they've never even heard
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This kind of conversation before.
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It's going to be hard.
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It's just one of those topics where there's just seems to be
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So much outstanding that we don't know yet,
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And it seems like rfk is is doing that.
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If you had to give,
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If you had to grade the hhs under bobby kennedy, junior,
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Are you happy with what you're seeing?
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What could he do better?
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And maybe that's a good place where you'd like
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To see this conversation go in that months coming
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Months ahead?
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Yeah, i mean, overall, i'm very happy.
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I think we're moving in
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An excellent direction in terms of opening up the floor
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To discussion and looking into some of these things.
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I hope.
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I really hope that individuals who have been
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In the vaccine space for a long time,
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The mainstream doctors, the paul outfits of the world
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Will be more involved.
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I think that's really important.
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I don't think things are going to change
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In any significant way until everybody comes
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To the table and sits together and has these discussions
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And have debates and look at what we do have
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And what we don't have
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And where we can go from here and are actually honest
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About that.
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I think we can have those discussions.
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If we can get everybody the table,
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Then everyone can realize it's not pro-vaccine people
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Versus anti-vaccine people or hhs versus other people.
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It's everyone against pharma.
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We're all on the same team. we're all here for our kids.
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All i want is for kids to be healthy and i don't care
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If they get a thousand vaccines
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Or zero vaccines, as long as they're healthier.
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And the only way we're going to get
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There is
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If we can talk about it, be honest about what we know,
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And then to keep
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Doing the research and the studies
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And figure out whatever it is.
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I don't know what the answer is.
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And that's why when you ask me the question,
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Should i do this or that vaccine,
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I don't know the answer on long term risk.
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So i can't give you a definitive answer
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Based on just this,
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Because i can only say this is what the cdc recommends.
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So that's what's recommended.
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And until we have that data, i don't think that you can
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Honestly give a specific answer.
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You can have an opinion.
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You can believe vaccines
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Are the worst thing ever and you should never do it.
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You could believe the vaccines
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Are the best thing ever and you get them all.
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But ultimately
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We have to follow the data
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And i think we're missing that piece.
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Well, and i just want to say, because we've had like cramer,
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Who's he calls himself a data station or whatever
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He's, he's said on the show recently that he did
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Not believe that autism rates were actually increasing.
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It was actually the way we were measuring it
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Or opening the aperture, diagnosing more different.
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But b, you both believe that
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Empirically the data says autism is increasing.
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Definitely.
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That is
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What the stat that is what the studies show.
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Better diagnosis accounts for some of it.
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But there is is a real increase.
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I don't know, but i think both things are true.
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But there's a real increase and a massive increase.
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And we got to find out why, which is
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What bobby's doing at hhs.
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He's trying to determine.
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But he said that was he was trying to get to
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The bottom of why the increase was happening.
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And yeah, which that question bleeds into.
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The first one i ask is how is the hhs under rfk?
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I think i think secretary kennedy's is doing
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I think he's he's he's he's doing,
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As you know, he's working and fighting every day to,
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To improve things.
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He's dealing with 65, over 65,000 career employees
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Below him.
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You know, from a decade of litigating with those folks,
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I'm the closer
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To the vaccine issue, the more zealots they are.
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You know,
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I know that from millions of internal emails
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We've gotten through foi requests,
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So he's still got those folks to deal with.
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And then, of course, he still above them has the white house.
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Who's,
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You know,
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They're supportive, the supportive,
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But there's different personalities
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In the white house. it's not one person.
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It's a lot of people fail to understand that sometimes.
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Yeah. so.
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So, so he's, you know, he's,
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And he doesn't get to pick all the people at hhs,
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Even the political appointees, as you know. right.
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They got to go through ppo and,
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You know, the white house picked some shots, like,
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Different considerations for each appointment.
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And there's different, favors.
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You might have to, you know.
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Exactly, exactly.
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So get a business.
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So within within, you know, so
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He is fighting to i mean, nobody nobody
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That i know has given up more than secretary kennedy
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To fight on this issue or frightened, frankly, any issue.
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I mean, listen, he was a kennedy.
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He was the darling.
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He was on the front page of magazines.
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He had a million positions, all paying him
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For basically sitting around and just using his name.
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And when when he saw kids injured from these products,
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He just didn't let it go.
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No matter how much they beat him, to this day,
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He won't let it go because he has seen what i've seen.
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You know, he knows the injuries that it can cause.
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I will also just add one more point, which is that,
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I know it's you're like, all parents have to go and
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Do their own research.
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Unfortunately, with vaccines, they do, because
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Unlike every other product, the market self corrects.
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The market would take care
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Of eliminating products that aren't safe.
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That would, force
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Companies would naturally want to replace them,
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But they don't self-correct with this product.
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It is truly unique.
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I agree with you.
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We're very busy.
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Everybody's busy, with these products, though unfortunately,
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You don't have the industries not can't be held accountable
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In the same way in any way. almost.
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And the government for the most part.
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And bobby trying to work on this
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Is, is, is is not really there to fighting the consumer,
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Defending the consumer. they're fighting the consumers.
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So it's a unique space.
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I think we've covered a lot of ground here.
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And so i just want to thank you both for making the time
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And, just coming to this conversation with good faith.
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And,
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Hopefully we can expand the circle
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And have some of these conversations that we,
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We want to have as well.
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And you guys could come back for that.
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So we'll do our best to bring, bring some of those voices
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Into the next conversation.
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It'd be great if you could bring
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Some vaccinologist bring you back to the time.
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Yeah. with you in the room. maybe not.
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I don't know how, likely we're going to be,
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To get them on, but thank you guys so much.
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Thank you. great. great job, riley, as well.
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Until next time. we'll see you soon.
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As this year draws to an end,
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I'd like to express my
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Heartfelt gratitude to our partners, the fellowship
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Of christians and jews.
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And i'd like to say thank you to our audience
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Who have supported them in prayer, with finances
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And standing strong for the people of israel.
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The fellowship is one of america's
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Most beloved
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Organizations, spanning more than 40 years of ministry,
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Providing tangible help
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And comfort to the people of israel
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In the ukraine and across the former soviet union.
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This holiday season and every day of the year,
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The fellowship is called to serve
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The elderly jewish people,
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Many of whom are holocaust survivors who are now
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Living in the shadow of past wars, poverty and loneliness.
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During this christmas time, join me and fulfill
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The prophet isaiah as cry to comfort.
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Comfort my people, says your god.
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To find out how. visit ifg.
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Org. that's if c.j. dawg.
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Joel "Gator" Warsh: December 15, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today

December 15, 2025 | 23:29

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