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Brought to you in part by the
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International fellowship of christians and jews.
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Hey, everybody, welcome
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To a very special episode of the charlie kirk show.
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We're going to have a long form discussion about some changes
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That are happening at the cdc, doctor joel gater walsh.
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He's md
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And author of a new book,
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Between a shot and a hard place,
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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I know that, alex clark is also,
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Had you on panels at our events,
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And it's honored to have you back with us here.
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It's an honor to be here.
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And i really appreciate you guys having a vaccine talk.
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I know that that is not something
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That everyone's willing to do, and i think it's so important.
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Well, there's no way to honor charlie
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Kirk, the namesake of this show.
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Then talking about this topic because he was passionate
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About it.
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And, the second guests that we have here is aaron siri.
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The author of this book, vaccines. amen.
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Both read each other's stuff.
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So this is going to be a really
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Fantastic, conversation back and forth.
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And it's not a debate. it really is.
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There's just so many practical questions
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That parents and families are having about this topic.
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And there's been some new changes at the cdc.
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Obviously, rfk is now ahead of hhs.
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There's a lot of controversy about that,
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A lot of discussion about that.
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So we want to
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Just try and help bring clarity to a dynamic, conversation.
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So here to help us also bring clarity to this is riley.
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Marty.
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She is our resident maha expert.
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And you're just a you're just a fan of all things
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Health related.
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You, you and charlie shared that in common.
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I don't think you would not describe yourself as anti-vax.
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Would you?
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Like i mean, look, all i can use as a dictionary to,
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To for the use of words, okay, sure.
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And under webster's dictionary defines anti-vax
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As somebody who opposes
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Mandating one or more vaccines or receiving one or more.
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So under that definition, most of the country is anti-vax
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Because a majority oppose
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Mandating covid vaccine, flu shots
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And some of the other ones and so forth.
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So, you know, i mean, i guess it matters
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What definition you're using
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Whether or not somebody is anti-vax.
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You oppose covid vaccine mandate.
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Yes. then you're anti-vax country merriam-webster.
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Total. so there you go. all right.
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So but but my point
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I think the layperson would think of it as,
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You know, you're not against all vaccines
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Or i'm not for or against any product.
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They're just a product.
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Okay.
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I'm not pro or anti-caa
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Not and i'm not i don't think cars are good or bad.
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They're just cars. i don't need this microphone.
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I'm not pro anti.
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I personally think cars are good,
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But i do acknowledge there's a thing.
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Cars that blow up are good. no.
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So those are bad.
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Those are bad. so some are good some are bad.
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Yeah yeah okay so but but that's a
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I get what you're doing
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I get what you're where you know with this it's
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I just think of them as products honestly. right.
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But the products can have benefits here.
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And if you become
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Convinced the benefit outweighs the cost, you would probably.
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I'll answer the heart of the question.
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Okay.
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The heart of the question is this on hepatitis b.
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So if you're going to,
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For example, really think about hepatitis b
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And you're trying to decide whether to take it.
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Here's the way i would do it. okay.
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For babies born to
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A non happy, positive mother i would say okay.
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How many
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The needed number needed to treat how many babies
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Of non hepatitis b vaccinated mothers do you need to inject.
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But to prevent one case of chronic happy
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Okay that's where you start.
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That's the benefit.
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That's the number you need. what is that number.
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Depending on where you look some say millions
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Some say hundreds of thousands okay.
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Benefit.
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Now what's the risk.
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How many out of.
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Because that's rare. yeah. so say it.
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So that's where say the numbers of million.
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How many are then getting fevers
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Or getting some other or getting or.
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That's the right question.
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That's the question that we need to answer.
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Well i mean, average make their own choices.
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At the end of the day,
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Really, my goal is just to make sure
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Every day has the right and the ability
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To do that as a civil individual rights,
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You know, as an attorney, that's my goal.
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Not to do that mathematical, but when you do do that,
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When you do do those numbers,
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You know, that's the way you should go about it.
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Yeah. and i do find it interesting.
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And i think this is a question that a lot of people have
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Is why this forceful sort of, you know,
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This, this mandate culture when it comes to vaccines.
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So my mom did like a measles party
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When she was like, where they literally tried
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To just get everyone sick so that they would
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Have the immunity and they'd get it done with.
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And i remember doing chicken pox.
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It was like there was no there was no, chicken
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Pox vaccine when i was a kid.
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So these kind of thing.
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So, so, so how dangerous is miss argued the measles.
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And and do we do you think that the
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I mean, again, i don't want to put you in a position
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I know you're sort of.
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No, no, no, you're you're open handed.
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Like, do you recommend them for people of the vaccine.
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Do you, or do you think we this old way of doing
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Things was actually better in some ways?
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Like is
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It is a natural naturally
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Gained immunity better than a vaccine immunity.
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I general questions you know, your questions are great.
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You should understand that these are the questions
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We get or certainly i get every single day. yeah.
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So they are excellent questions.
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In terms of measles, it is really important
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To understand the epidemiology of measles.
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From way
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Back in the day,
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People were not afraid of measles a long time ago.
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The problem with measles, the concern around measles
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Is that it's very contagious.
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It's one of the most contagious diseases that we have.
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So if nobody is vaccinated,
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It's going to go through the community.
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Everybody's going to get it.
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Most people in a room like nine out of ten
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People are going to get measles.
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So a few kids will get really sick.
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And that's something to understand.
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Back before there were vaccines, some will die.
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Yes, some will die.
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So do we have about the data that there were about 3
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To 500 deaths a year back before measles.
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So there are very, very few deaths, but not zero.
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And the biggest concern for measles is pneumonia.
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A lot of kids do go to the hospital.
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There is about a one inch 20,
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Risk for pneumonia and for serious complications.
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So obviously we don't want any kid to go to hospital.
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We don't want any kid to die.
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These are things that are possible.
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So that's something that people do need to understand.
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And the vaccine, if you get both of them,
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It's about 97% effective.
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So that's pretty good effectiveness.
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The question then becomes okay at what cost.
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Yeah.
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So i'm gonna throw that i want to throw out
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To the the attorney here.
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So because i have you you're
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Are you litigating now or have measles cases so,
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Joel's correct that we're about 3 to 500
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Deaths a year leading up to 1963,
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When the first measles vaccine was introduced.
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6363 first measles vaccine ever in the united states.
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Between 1900 and 1963,
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Measles mortality united states declined by over 98%.
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Climbed. declined.
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Declined. interesting. declined.
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So you had over a 98% decline in mortality for
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Measles in the united states between 1900 and 1963.
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That's just the cdc mortality data.
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You know what didn't cause that decline in mortality?
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Measles vaccine.
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Yeah, exactly. couldn't exist.
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It didn't exist, i know.
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So sometimes people take some tracking.
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Okay. so what did cause it?
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We could probably ascribe it to, public health measures.
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Even maybe public health authorities
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Probably could take credit for a lot of it.
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They never do.
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They take other than pointing to vaccines.
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But it's probably better
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Sanitation, better clean water, better nutrition.
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Go down the list.
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Okay.
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Well, when they get sick,
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They probably had more advanced care. yeah.
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Better outbreaks, all the things better acute care.
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Absolutely
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The wounds from october 7th
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Didn't fade when the headlines did.
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Behind me rises
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A new rehabilitation home for israel's wounded soldiers.
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One of many urgent projects israel needs right now.
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Entire communities shattered.
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Families displaced.
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And each day,
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The impact of the need grows even more overwhelming.
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But the bible says it clearly.
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The righteous will live by faith and by faith.
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The fellowship is rolling up our sleeves
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And the traumatized.
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So this is a point that i've heard.
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And from a very prominent person, i was just
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Talking to them recently and they their whole
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This person would
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Proudly describe themselves as anti-vax, like very proud.
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And the rationale for this person
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Was that when you get diseases naturally
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And your body overcomes them, that you have a stronger
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Immunity for everything and this person's,
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Perspective on it.
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And i'll probably throw it to you,
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Either of you can answer this actually was that it was
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It wasn't just cardiovascular, wasn't just against that
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Same disease in the future.
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It was against like things like cancer.
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This was this person's well, that's your study show okay.
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So i'm not speaking out of turn here.
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This was not completely is there.
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So for example covid yes.
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If you got a natural immunity
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You got covid and then you, you overcame it.
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It didn't mean that you weren't
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Going to get it in the future, but perhaps your body,
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I mean, i got it, i got the og covid in 2020,
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And i think i got it one more time.
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And the first time was rough.
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Second time was like a piece of cake.
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But also the virus was getting weaker. but.
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So i don't really know what to make of that.
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But i will say
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That their perspective on it was that
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You should let your body fight these things.
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Stop injecting our kids with all this stuff
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Like chicken pox vaccine and measles vaccine.
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Let them get over it.
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I that's this person's perspective.
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I just i'm throwing it out there
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Because i bet a lot of people have heard this.
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Yeah, i mean, there are different perspectives on it.
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I think, you know, one of the main things
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To consider the point of a vaccine,
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Theoretically, would be to protect you
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From getting the disease, to protect you from dying
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Or getting very sick from a disease.
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So i think we have
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To keep that in mind, because the only people that
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Survive are the ones that can now have this protection.
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Right. so that's the counter argument.
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You have to survive the disease to have some sort of,
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You know, potential other benefits.
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So also with measles there is immune amnesia.
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That's one of the things that is right.
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Like wipes your, your,
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Your, your immunity memory.
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I'll just agree with that.
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I don't
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I don't think those studies are showing
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That that is one of the things
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That is certainly pointed to in the literature
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As something that people talk to you.
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So it's debated,
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You know, whether it could be beneficial or not.
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But those are, again, the right questions. right?
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Those are the questions of where we should be looking.
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This we shouldn't be,
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Hearing, oh, there might be some sort
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Of protective benefits and saying, oh, that's crazy.
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You know, we need to understand those things.
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We need to look at the whole picture and weigh
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Those things out to see what the long term benefits.
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We don't necessarily understand everything about this world
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And about diseases and what potential benefits
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There might be.
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It is interesting, though, right?
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If you go back to like, there's of that famous
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Episode of the brady bunch where they all just get measles
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And it's like a laugh track, you know, and i it's just like,
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Culturally we have gone very far from like,
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Oh, the the housekeeper gets, gets measles.
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And everybody laughs about it.
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And she's, you know, she's got red bumps
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Or whatever to now we're like, kids are going to die.
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Rfk is and it sounds like it's true 3 to 500 a year.
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I mean, i don't want to make light of that, but it is like
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We're in a cultural difference.
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You had a thought on this, how often is
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Are the data that, is being used for
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Vaccines, how often are the studies done
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In another country and not in the us,
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Or are they all in the us?
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They're not only us for sure.
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The fda will accept foreign studies.
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Are you talking about
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You talking about like, clinical trials,
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A license
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You're talking about post licensure, safety studies
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Postelection safety studies.
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Ironically, happy to host licensure.
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Oh, i'm so sorry.
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Is that what you're saying? yeah. okay.
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Post licensure after the vaccine is licensed,
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They often do studies outside of the us.
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Actually denmark's a place they often do.
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A lot of them like the recent aluminum study.
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And why is that?
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Well,
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Well be honest.
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Be honest.
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Yeah.
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Well, which is i think the lie which is that,
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Which is that the, which is that
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There are just so much fewer vaccines given.
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Okay. so it doesn't trigger the same. yeah, yeah.
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Do you know how,
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You know percent of kids get happy vaccine in denmark
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By 18 years of age
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Basically
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0.1 they don't have happy on their schedule.
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You can't even get your kid a happy vaccine in denmark
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If your mother is not happy,
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Positive or you're not high risk.
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My understanding is you can't even get it.
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So you have point like 1.01% of kids have happy vaccine.
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Do you know what the hab rate amongst kids in denmark versus
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The us is effectively the same.
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That christmas morning.
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Wise men brought gifts from outside the holy land.
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But now that the war is over,
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This holy land and her people
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Are still carrying deep wounded.
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Many of the elderly are alone and suffering
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Like the wise men or wise women.
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When you open your heart and give a special holiday food
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Box to someone here in israel
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This christmas chronicles season.
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People like hannah who can't buy food.
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That's where the fellowship is called to feed the hungry.
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Please call, scan or go online now to help rush emergency
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Food and healing to elderly jews
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And their christian neighbors struggling
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To rebuild their lives from the war.
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What will happen when we make this holy day season?
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Holy indeed.
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Holy indeed.
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We've talked a lot about this and i think,
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What children's defense fund has made a big,
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You know, thing about this over
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The years is how i learned about it is the
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1980s schedule versus
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Our current vaccine schedule.
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And you are talking about denmark.
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Is there an industrialized country that you look to
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And say they basically do the childhood vaccine schedule
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In a way that you, you,
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You look up to that you, you see, is the gold standard?
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I don't know,
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I mean, there are other places that have a
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Better health overall.
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So i think we can look at their overall health.
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But i don't know that
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You can always compared exactly to america.
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So i think it's it's tough.
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I mean that's literally what,
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You know, trump just came out and said that he wants to do
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He wants to compare to other nations,
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Look at the differences and have these discussions.
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But you would have to really do a deep dive into that.
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I'm not sure that anyone's ever truly done that before.
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I support anybody's right to get as many vaccines
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As they want and wears many masks they want.
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I mean it so in your face.
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But but
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But but i don't think the government you
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In the business of of basically promoting vaccines.
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So i think that schedules are problematic to begin with.
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Okay. okay.
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The problem that i get that i get your perspective on this,
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Just define it.
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Then between 19, let's say 85, 20, 25, what's
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How much how much more vaccines are we getting?
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I guess we have a graph.
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Yeah.
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So, so on your screen, that's the current schedule.
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So if you are following the current cdc
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Schedule, including covid vaccine, okay.
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Because still a lot of kids are getting that, today,
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By the first birthday, a child will get 29 injections,
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Including covid. so take covid off 3 or 4 doses.
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Maybe the mother gets enough.
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That includes 29 injections in the, 1986
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When that law was passed,
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A child fall and she schedule get three injections
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By the first birthday.
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So you got 3 to 25, excluding covid 29,
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Including covid, okay, 3 to 20 5 or 29.
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That is a massive difference in every one of those products.
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Was the except for one
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Was developed and licensed by a company
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Knowing they would virtually never have to pay
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For the kids that they killed or injured with that product.
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What's the one mmr?
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Okay, so let's get into mmr, okay?
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Mmr was the the focus of a lot of controversy,
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Maybe rightly or wrongly, but you know, the
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There was films that came out about this, how
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That it used to be separated into individual shots.
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It then it got grouped together apparently long time ago.
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People are saying that they're,
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You know, making you get it too young.
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These kids are getting too young.
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It's it causes sort of, you know,
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A shock to the kids system because of,
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I don't know, some sort of toxins or whatever.
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What is the truth about mmr?
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And and by the way, was the one of the, the,
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The ones that was linked most to autism,
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According to the people that prescribe to that theory.
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Right.
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So it was the most under siege, if you will, from
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That community.
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Yeah.
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I mean, i'm just i'm
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I'm trying to ask the question in a neutral way.
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Yeah.
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I'll be honest and say that, you know, our family,
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We tried to delay it as much as we could.
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And i always wanted it in separate shots.
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Let me start here.
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So for me, when i was in training
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And i went to a great program, very western,
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The only thing that i was ever taught about vaccines
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We have tons of science on this.
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The science is settled
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And that's really all that you're taught.
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And so unless you go look into it
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Yourself, you really don't know what the research is.
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And i'm not being hyperbolic.
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I would say the most shocking thing
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I've ever seen in my life is when you go
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Look at the research that actually exists
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On vaccines and autism, and you realize what is
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And isn't there.
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When i was doing the research
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For my book, what i thought i was going to do,
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I was trying to write a balance book
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As best as possible,
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And i thought what i was going to find
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Because i'm in the integrative
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Space i'm aware of, you know, some of the research on
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Maybe not always the best research,
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But there were studies
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Out there that said, oh,
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Maybe vaccines are related to autism,
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Or there are people that have said that.
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And so i thought what i was going to find was
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Here are the amazing studies, vaccinated versus unvaccinated.
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We have tons of studies
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That show vaccines don't cause autism.
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Here's what it is.
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And also here are those other studies
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That people are talking about.
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So maybe it's not totally settled.
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But here's the both sides.
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When you actually go, look,
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All of the research is only on mmr, thimerosal,
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Which is a mercury component that's not in vaccines anymore.
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And that's really it.
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And i could not believe it.
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I had to go back.
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I looked at it again. i have a master's in epidemiology.
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I've done health research. i've done a literature review.
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I couldn't believe it.
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I read paul offit book, peter hotez his book.
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They literally separated by that.
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And so when you're talking about vaccines and autism,
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The reality is that question has never totally been asked
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And answered. it's certainly not debunked.
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If anything, there are some studies
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And some research that has come out.
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Not always the best research
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In the best journals, but it's out there.
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There are studies on mmr, but even though studies
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Are epidemiologic studies, they're retrospective.
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So backwards in time and they're looking at mmr,
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Versus
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No mmr in the setting of kids who got their other vaccines.
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That's not the question that parents have.
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The question that parents have is if my kid is unvaccinated,
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Do they have a lower risk of autism
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Than if i get them vaccinated?
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Mmr is the only one that we do have some research.
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So if you were to take
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The mainstream research, you could say, well,
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Based on what we have,
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The mmr doesn't seem to increase their risk. but
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That's not the question.
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I think it's about all vaccines.
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As christians, we're called not to just study
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Biblical prophecy, but to understand its powerful
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Foundation and assurance for every belief in our faith.
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Of all the religions in the world,
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Only christians and jews believe and trust
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In the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
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Yael eckstein
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Of the international fellowship of christians and jews
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Has more from the holy land.
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I'm here today in this quiet
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And especially beautiful grove of ancient olive trees.
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Some of these trees are over 2000 years old.
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They were growing when jesus was a young boy in nazareth.
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Very close to where i'm standing right now.
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And i came here to this place to speak with you
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About something deeply spiritual, the fulfillment of
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Biblical prophecy in our time, and how those prophecies
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Form a lasting bond between christians and jews.
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For christians and jews, the unbreakable connection
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That we share begins with the bible.
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It's christians and jews alone in the entire world
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Who accept.
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The hebrew bible has been inspired.
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Word of god and among all of the world
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Faiths, it's only christians who believe
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That they are grafted in to the eternal covenant
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That god made with israel over 4000 years ago.
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So what does our shared faith in this covenant have to do
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With biblical prophecy in our day?
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Well, no other nation or people in history has ever
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Written down thousands of year old prophecies
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And then seen them come to pass with such power.
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The rebirth of the nation of israel in a single day.
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The blooming of israel's once parched deserts,
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The sovereignty of jerusalem restored to the two ish people
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The unmistakable ingathering of jews
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From all four corners of the world.
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For the jewish people, each of these prophecies
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Are precious and deeply personal.
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They are confirmations that the covenant still holds
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That despite the trial of this world, god
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Is still in control, and he keeps his promise.
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So, my christian friends, if you believe that
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You've been graphed into that same covenant,
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Then these prophetic signs are your confirmations
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To every time a jewish family returns home to israel,
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Every time the desert blooms with new life.
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Every time the city of jerusalem
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Stands strong under jewish sovereignty,
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It's a living declaration that the covenant is real
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And that your share in it is real.
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Your spiritual inheritance flows through that graft,
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Through the roots of israel and into your life.
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The story of israel is not about politics.
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It's about god.
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It's about spirit.
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It's about his promises.
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So when you see biblical prophecy being fulfilled,
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Let it strengthen your trust in god's promises.
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Let me remind you that your faith is rooted
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In eternal covenant, and let it lead you to walk
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With purpose, with courage, and with a heart for
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Israel and god's people.
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To learn more about how you can be a part of fulfilling
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Biblical prophecy in your life, go to ifk jorg today.
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Join with millions in a growing movement
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Of christians and jews sharing together
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In the eternal promises of god.
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Joel "Gator" Warsh: December 22, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today

December 22, 2025 | 23:29

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