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  • The story we wanted to start with today is one
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  • That i think affects all of certainly all of us
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  • Here, in a more personal way than it ever did before
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  • Yesterday, there was a mass shooting in canada.
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  • This is in the town of tumbler ridge.
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  • It's in northern british columbia.
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  • It's a town of only a few thousand people,
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  • Very far away from anywhere else.
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  • And there was a shooter there, and there's been
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  • Ten fatalities, including the shooter himself.
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  • But what stands out about this is it fits into a
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  • Micro pattern that has emerged over the past few years.
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  • The police originally identified the shooter
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  • As a woman in a dress with brown hair.
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  • I think if you're like me, if you're like a lot of people,
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  • That immediately makes you raise an eyebrow.
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  • A woman in a dress.
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  • And unsurprisingly, what a lot of
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  • People immediately jump to is this is probably
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  • A transgender person who has done a shooting.
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  • And that was only supported when the police came out.
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  • And this is the
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  • Canadian police, of course,
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  • And began referring to the shooter as
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  • A word i'm not sure any of us have ever heard before.
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  • Let's play clip 351.
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  • That includes the deceased gun person.
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  • Okay.
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  • And then separately,
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  • Do you know the gun person's relationship to the.
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  • A gun person, not a gunman?
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  • I think even i think even when a woman does
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  • A shooting, it's usually just gunman.
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  • But now this time it's a gun person.
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  • And so i'm not going to recite the name purely
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  • Because the canadian police have not officially identified
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  • The shooter yet.
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  • But we have very, very strong,
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  • I would say, overwhelming evidence that this shooter
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  • Was a local transgender individual.
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  • This person killed two people
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  • In their own family at their home
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  • And then went to their school and went on a spree shooting.
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  • And this is something that personally affects me,
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  • Because i remember
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  • When the covenant school
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  • Shooting happened
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  • In the spring of 2023, i just started working with charlie
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  • And that shooter of course, turned out
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  • To have
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  • A transgender identification
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  • Along with a bunch of other issues.
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  • And charlie predicted on the show
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  • That he thought there would be a wave
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  • Of transgender shooters of one kind or another.
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  • And i was skeptical.
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  • I said, charlie,
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  • They're a very tiny share of the population, under 1%.
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  • Shootings like this are rare events generally,
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  • And i just i don't think you're likely to see, you know,
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  • 1% times a tiny number turn into a real trend.
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  • And the truth is, is charlie was right
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  • And i was wrong because since then
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  • We had the shooting at annunciation
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  • Catholic in minneapolis that was a transgender shooter.
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  • We've had, we hadn't known about this
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  • At the time or noticed it,
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  • But highlands ranch in colorado,
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  • There was a shooting there,
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  • Two shooters, and one of them was transgender.
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  • And of course, as all of you know,
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  • Tyler robinson, the suspect who we believe to be guilty
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  • Of charlie's shooting,
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  • He appears to have been motivated.
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  • He was not transgender himself, but was in a relationship
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  • With a transgender individual and seems to have been
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  • Motivated ideologically by that cause.
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  • And now this shooter,
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  • We're getting the person who's very likely the shooter.
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  • We're getting details.
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  • Someone found their reddit account.
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  • This person was taking, a super dose
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  • Of zoloft, 280mg a day.
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  • I checked online.
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  • The starting dose is 25mg, goes up to 200.
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  • This person was taking 280.
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  • They were supplementing that with marijuana.
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  • They were taking something called, five mo dmt,
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  • Which is a, psychoactive drug that you get from licking
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  • Arizona desert toad.
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  • You extract that and get a psychoactive experience.
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  • And then this person
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  • Was taking
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  • A giant pile of hormones because they thought
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  • They should be the opposite sex.
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  • This suspected shooter appears to on reddit.
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  • Besides posting about
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  • The insane number of drugs they were taking,
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  • They were taking,
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  • They were going to a shooting range and practicing,
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  • And they were posting
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  • Clips of this on trans guns, which is a subreddit
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  • That exists for transgender people to practice with guns.
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  • We've created a very, very
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  • Toxic environment,
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  • And i just shudder to think that we're probably going
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  • To have more events like this, more shooters,
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  • Like the ones who target cabinet school, like,
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  • Annunciation catholic
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  • And like what happened with charlie.
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  • But in the meantime, we do have this,
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  • Very bleak denial where there's a, there's a true dynamic.
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  • You notice with the shooting where they have
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  • The competing impulses, where they realize
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  • That if they publicly announce, oh, it was a shooter,
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  • And it was a transgender individual
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  • Who may have been motivated by that, that will look bad.
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  • But they've also been trained for a decade that
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  • They can't deny this person's pronouns.
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  • So we get this
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  • Bizarre situation where they're using gun person
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  • As their, chosen lingo, but they won't
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  • They won't confirm who the shooter is.
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  • They've they've taken longer on this
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  • Than i think
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  • They normally would with something like,
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  • Because they still haven't confirmed that a day later.
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  • And they at this point i think very easily could
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  • And you know, we have we have clips that point this out.
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  • Let's do a 352.
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  • But we know if it was a victim who was trans
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  • Because we understand this is a 15 year old boy
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  • Who identifies as a girl gun crazy.
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  • If it would be a if it been a trans victim,
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  • They'd have talked nonstop about that, as they did
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  • About the tragedy of the killing of breonna joy.
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  • Who was a boy?
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  • Who was living as if he was a girl,
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  • Was treated as a girl by his parents.
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  • And he was killed.
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  • He was not targeted for being gay.
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  • But most of the media reports go on and on and on about this
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  • Trans killing because he was trans identified.
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  • But they ignore it when it's the perpetrator.
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  • All right.
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  • I'm told we do finally have andrew with us in palm beach.
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  • So, andrew, welcome to the show.
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  • And man, what a
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  • What a tragedy that i think all of us are horrified.
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  • We were letting you cook. we were letting you cook.
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  • Blake, you made a lot of great points.
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  • Yeah. i'm here in, palm beach.
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  • The the mother ship for real?
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  • America's voice with rob and parker. sig.
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  • But, yeah, this was a horrible shooting.
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  • And instantly you made the connection.
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  • I thought about charlie.
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  • I thought about the predictions he made.
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  • We got a clip on the other side of his break
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  • That we're going to play of charlie
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  • Warning about this, and.
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  • And he was right. and a lot of people were wrong.
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  • But we'll be back from, break really soon.
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  • Here, talk to you then.
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  • Here, talk to you then.
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  • On this trans shooting.
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  • Blake, you've you really done a deep dive.
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  • Bravo on that first segment.
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  • You did fantastic.
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  • I but we got to play this clip from charlie.
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  • This was back in 2023.
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  • You mentioned that charlie was right
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  • And a lot of people were wrong.
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  • And maybe even you were wrong.
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  • But he nailed it.
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  • And it's creepy watching this stuff.
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  • You know, one of our producers sent me this
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  • Clip from 2023 and said,
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  • This is going to be hard to watch, but you have to play it.
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  • And i agree,
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  • You know, the way that
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  • Everything went down with charlie and the tyler
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  • Robinson case
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  • And you made mention
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  • Of the fact that he was at least motivated by his,
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  • You know, relationship with this trans identifying person.
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  • So let's let's go ahead and play it.
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  • This is from i believe this is from march 28th, 2023.
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  • Play cut.
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  • 386 trans people have been made into
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  • Kind of a sacred cow of american politics.
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  • You can't question it.
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  • You can't criticize it.
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  • They believe they can threaten whoever they want.
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  • This is the ultimate top of the impression olympics.
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  • How many dead kids
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  • Is it going to take for us to say
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  • We probably gone too far here
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  • And we should just ask a couple questions.
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  • How many mass shootings
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  • Have to happen where we probably say,
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  • Wait a second, you know, we just calm down.
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  • They have shirts where they say trans
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  • Trans rights and they have all these
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  • Weapons, or else that is a threat.
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  • And tifa and the trans mafia
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  • Are now partners, and nobody's investigating them. now.
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  • No one's asking questions.
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  • The media is terrified of these people.
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  • And by the way, some of that fear is warranted.
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  • You will get death threats.
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  • They will try to come after you.
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  • That's what they do.
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  • They enjoy the violence against conservatives.
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  • And he was 100% right on that.
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  • And as we learned to our horror,
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  • And it really is if you look around online,
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  • If you start looking for the pattern,
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  • You see it over and over again, because it's not just
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  • That they're radicalized.
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  • It's routinely even in stuff
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  • That's not specifically about transgenderism.
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  • Often the most radical, the most extreme people
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  • In any movement are often,
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  • The joke would be that the trans
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  • They're like
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  • The shock troops of, of leftism and often in bizarre ways,
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  • Like a lot of the most militantly left wing moderators
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  • On websites
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  • Like wikipedia or on reddit, they're often transgender.
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  • And then they're the ones, for example,
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  • Who would be really gung ho about censorship.
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  • So the reason censorship on so many platforms went through
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  • The roof is you would have these transgender moderators
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  • And editors and such take it over
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  • And they would just
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  • Everything gets consumed into them and forcing their,
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  • Their fetish, this contagion on the entire population
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  • Because they need that level of control.
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  • Because, as people have pointed out, if they aren't endlessly
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  • Having people affirm their identity,
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  • It's like giving narcan to a heroin addict,
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  • Or you're killing their high and you're driving them
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  • Into a frenzy
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  • And then on top of that, they're all medicated
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  • To the gills on untold venom and so on.
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  • Andrew.
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  • But i wanted us to make sure
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  • That we hit another aspect of this,
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  • Because there is reason for hope. this is all bad.
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  • We're probably going to see more shootings
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  • Like this years to come.
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  • But a big reason for hope
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  • That happened in the last few days
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  • And we haven't talked about it yet.
  • 00:10:25.525 --> 00:10:27.027
  • We're going to also see the reckoning
  • 00:10:27.027 --> 00:10:29.129
  • Against the freaks and frauds and charlatans,
  • 00:10:29.129 --> 00:10:32.933
  • The medical malpractice monsters in our schools
  • 00:10:32.933 --> 00:10:36.336
  • And hospital systems who fed people into this contagion.
  • 00:10:36.336 --> 00:10:41.007
  • A few, a couple of weeks ago
  • 00:10:41.608 --> 00:10:43.176
  • In new york, not a red state by any means.
  • 00:10:43.176 --> 00:10:45.879
  • A new york jury awarded
  • 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:48.715
  • A, woman fox vaccine
  • 00:10:48.715 --> 00:10:51.351
  • $2 million in a medical malpractice case
  • 00:10:51.351 --> 00:10:54.488
  • Because she her parents were going through a divorce.
  • 00:10:54.488 --> 00:10:57.791
  • They were fighting over custody.
  • 00:10:57.791 --> 00:10:59.159
  • She got depressed.
  • 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:00.160
  • She was diagnosed with autism.
  • 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:02.062
  • And and as part of this, she started to identify
  • 00:11:02.062 --> 00:11:05.465
  • As a boy.
  • 00:11:05.465 --> 00:11:06.566
  • Was put on a rocket ship, got a double mastectomy
  • 00:11:06.566 --> 00:11:09.369
  • In about a year under a year,
  • 00:11:10.003 --> 00:11:12.405
  • And only got worse and then eventually transitioned,
  • 00:11:12.405 --> 00:11:15.842
  • Went to a jury and said i this was medical malpractice.
  • 00:11:15.842 --> 00:11:19.346
  • I was not really a boy.
  • 00:11:19.346 --> 00:11:21.248
  • And they did all these things to me.
  • 00:11:21.248 --> 00:11:23.183
  • And she just got $1.6 million,
  • 00:11:23.183 --> 00:11:25.752
  • In past pain and $400,000 to cover her future medical costs.
  • 00:11:25.752 --> 00:11:30.724
  • And if you look at the numbers from 2016 to 2020,
  • 00:11:30.724 --> 00:11:34.461
  • According to the american medical
  • 00:11:34.461 --> 00:11:36.263
  • Association, we've had over 3200 mastectomies on children
  • 00:11:36.263 --> 00:11:40.300
  • 12 to 18, 405 genital surgeries.
  • 00:11:40.300 --> 00:11:43.937
  • Blake. how many?
  • 00:11:44.337 --> 00:11:45.305
  • How many read that first 3215
  • 00:11:45.305 --> 00:11:49.042
  • Mastectomies on 12 to 18 year olds from 2016 to 2020.
  • 00:11:49.042 --> 00:11:53.647
  • So and that was before the peak, i'd say
  • 00:11:53.647 --> 00:11:55.615
  • The peak was probably 21, 22.
  • 00:11:55.615 --> 00:11:57.350
  • Maybe. maybe we're still peaking.
  • 00:11:57.350 --> 00:11:58.852
  • So we've probably had thousands more 405 genital
  • 00:11:58.852 --> 00:12:02.189
  • Surgeries, 350 other gender related procedures.
  • 00:12:02.189 --> 00:12:05.759
  • And that's on 12 to 18 year old children of both sexes.
  • 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.629
  • Almost certainly the real number is higher.
  • 00:12:09.629 --> 00:12:11.698
  • And that's that's surgeries.
  • 00:12:11.698 --> 00:12:13.433
  • Never mind how many people took hormones.
  • 00:12:13.433 --> 00:12:15.969
  • Because that's the first intervention they do.
  • 00:12:15.969 --> 00:12:18.138
  • Or puberty blockers.
  • 00:12:18.138 --> 00:12:19.472
  • We know the puberty blockers
  • 00:12:19.472 --> 00:12:20.740
  • That that wouldn't even fall into that age window.
  • 00:12:20.740 --> 00:12:22.542
  • That's often kids, you know, 9 to 12 years old.
  • 00:12:22.542 --> 00:12:25.278
  • And that can massively mess you up.
  • 00:12:25.278 --> 00:12:27.047
  • That can lower your iq.
  • 00:12:27.047 --> 00:12:28.481
  • That can make you infertile for life.
  • 00:12:28.481 --> 00:12:30.984
  • Huge numbers of problems.
  • 00:12:30.984 --> 00:12:32.786
  • And now the other day, the,
  • 00:12:32.786 --> 00:12:37.190
  • One of the.
  • 00:12:37.524 --> 00:12:38.725
  • Yeah, the american society of plastic surgeons basically
  • 00:12:38.725 --> 00:12:42.062
  • Came out against gender related, surgery for minors.
  • 00:12:42.062 --> 00:12:45.532
  • I think we're opening the door to a wave.
  • 00:12:45.532 --> 00:12:48.602
  • Thousands of these lawsuits
  • 00:12:48.602 --> 00:12:50.237
  • Could be coming, and they should be coming.
  • 00:12:50.237 --> 00:12:52.272
  • Red states.
  • 00:12:52.272 --> 00:12:53.039
  • We should make sure our laws
  • 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:54.107
  • Are as amenable as possible to these lawsuits.
  • 00:12:54.107 --> 00:12:56.977
  • Make it so
  • 00:12:56.977 --> 00:12:57.477
  • There's no window,
  • 00:12:57.477 --> 00:12:59.012
  • Where, you know, there's no statute of limitations on it,
  • 00:12:59.012 --> 00:13:01.681
  • No ceiling on the damages.
  • 00:13:01.681 --> 00:13:03.149
  • We should utterly bankrupt every doctor, every clinic
  • 00:13:03.149 --> 00:13:08.355
  • That fed children to this molech
  • 00:13:08.355 --> 00:13:11.291
  • Monstrosity.
  • 00:13:11.291 --> 00:13:14.127
  • Yeah.
  • 00:13:14.127 --> 00:13:14.961
  • It's, you'd hope something like this
  • 00:13:14.961 --> 00:13:16.830
  • Will just further underscore
  • 00:13:16.830 --> 00:13:18.198
  • Something that is common sense to most americans.
  • 00:13:18.198 --> 00:13:21.201
  • But the fact that
  • 00:13:21.201 --> 00:13:22.269
  • We're having to fight on this battle just shows
  • 00:13:22.269 --> 00:13:23.436
  • How bad it has gotten bad in so many senses of the word,
  • 00:13:23.436 --> 00:13:27.674
  • How detached from reality we've become.
  • 00:13:27.674 --> 00:13:32.017
  • How detached from reality we've become.
  • 00:13:32.017 --> 00:13:38.388
  • Let's
  • 00:13:38.621 --> 00:13:39.455
  • Hit nancy, nancy guthrie, because,
  • 00:13:39.455 --> 00:13:41.691
  • This was i mean, if you watched any of the news last night.
  • 00:13:41.691 --> 00:13:44.727
  • So i got in late into palm beach and i turned on the tv,
  • 00:13:44.727 --> 00:13:48.031
  • And it was like wall to wall coverage, like all the networks
  • 00:13:48.031 --> 00:13:50.867
  • Were covering it because this was.
  • 00:13:50.867 --> 00:13:52.902
  • We are now in the 11th day of this nancy
  • 00:13:52.902 --> 00:13:55.905
  • Guthrie saga where she was kidnaped.
  • 00:13:55.905 --> 00:13:58.908
  • And people figured out because she didn't
  • 00:13:58.908 --> 00:14:00.677
  • Make it to church and they called the family.
  • 00:14:00.677 --> 00:14:03.146
  • The family went check.
  • 00:14:03.146 --> 00:14:04.314
  • They immediately called 911 and got the cops involved,
  • 00:14:04.314 --> 00:14:06.649
  • And the investigation had stalled.
  • 00:14:06.649 --> 00:14:09.285
  • It just felt like there was no movement.
  • 00:14:09.285 --> 00:14:10.887
  • There was these ransom letters that were getting sent
  • 00:14:10.887 --> 00:14:13.589
  • To tmz and local affiliates that included bitcoin wallets.
  • 00:14:13.589 --> 00:14:17.760
  • And you saw savannah guthrie going on tv
  • 00:14:18.628 --> 00:14:21.898
  • Saying, please, you know, we want to talk.
  • 00:14:21.898 --> 00:14:24.801
  • And it does appear that there's been activity
  • 00:14:24.801 --> 00:14:27.270
  • Now in this bitcoin wallet.
  • 00:14:27.270 --> 00:14:30.306
  • So originally there was $300 sent an hour.
  • 00:14:30.306 --> 00:14:32.675
  • Now we're being told it could be all of it sent.
  • 00:14:32.675 --> 00:14:34.677
  • But harvey levin over
  • 00:14:34.677 --> 00:14:36.312
  • Tmz is being very coy about what they know.
  • 00:14:36.312 --> 00:14:40.249
  • It is it is one of those crazy stories
  • 00:14:40.249 --> 00:14:43.553
  • That just seemed to accelerate
  • 00:14:43.553 --> 00:14:45.088
  • With a lot of velocity last night.
  • 00:14:45.088 --> 00:14:47.824
  • And so the fbi releases these ring doorbell footage
  • 00:14:47.824 --> 00:14:51.527
  • That came from sort of residual data on this ring doorbell.
  • 00:14:51.527 --> 00:14:55.431
  • She, nancy guthrie did not have a subscription
  • 00:14:55.431 --> 00:14:59.669
  • To keep the footage to store the footage.
  • 00:14:59.669 --> 00:15:02.205
  • And so the fbi had to come in with their digital experts
  • 00:15:02.205 --> 00:15:05.241
  • And recreate it.
  • 00:15:05.241 --> 00:15:06.409
  • Reverse engineer it.
  • 00:15:06.409 --> 00:15:08.378
  • And then they went and found a person of interest.
  • 00:15:08.378 --> 00:15:11.781
  • Swat teams were sent out.
  • 00:15:11.781 --> 00:15:13.549
  • They investigated this guy.
  • 00:15:13.549 --> 00:15:15.651
  • It was,
  • 00:15:15.651 --> 00:15:18.321
  • Everybody last night was
  • 00:15:18.855 --> 00:15:19.922
  • Thinking, was this the guy that that kidnaped her?
  • 00:15:19.922 --> 00:15:22.759
  • Was it somebody that was associated with the case?
  • 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.261
  • And listen, when the when the networks like this
  • 00:15:25.261 --> 00:15:28.297
  • And when the tabloids
  • 00:15:28.297 --> 00:15:29.599
  • Are all covering this story, it means there's a billion
  • 00:15:29.599 --> 00:15:32.301
  • Eyeballs on this thing.
  • 00:15:32.301 --> 00:15:33.436
  • For this has captured the imagination of the country.
  • 00:15:33.436 --> 00:15:37.173
  • And it's just a
  • 00:15:37.540 --> 00:15:38.708
  • Really interesting story because as blake has mentioned,
  • 00:15:38.708 --> 00:15:41.978
  • As i've mentioned, is charlie's dimension.
  • 00:15:41.978 --> 00:15:44.247
  • You know, this is really close to the mexican border,
  • 00:15:44.247 --> 00:15:47.116
  • And this person of interest was pulled over in a traffic stop
  • 00:15:47.116 --> 00:15:51.187
  • About ten minutes
  • 00:15:51.187 --> 00:15:52.688
  • From the mexican border. so it's actually
  • 00:15:52.688 --> 00:15:54.290
  • South of tucson, where nancy guthrie lives.
  • 00:15:54.290 --> 00:15:56.459
  • It's pulled over in ten minutes away from the border.
  • 00:15:56.459 --> 00:15:59.262
  • We're all thinking, oh, here we go, here we go now.
  • 00:15:59.262 --> 00:16:02.031
  • Could be the cartels. then they interview him.
  • 00:16:02.031 --> 00:16:04.133
  • This guy gets released.
  • 00:16:04.133 --> 00:16:05.435
  • He says he's innocent. 356.
  • 00:16:05.435 --> 00:16:07.670
  • What were they asking you about?
  • 00:16:07.670 --> 00:16:08.971
  • That were my whereabouts okay, where do i work?
  • 00:16:09.906 --> 00:16:12.608
  • Where was i and all that?
  • 00:16:12.608 --> 00:16:13.776
  • But are you ever up in tucson?
  • 00:16:13.776 --> 00:16:15.711
  • Yeah, i work in tucson. what do you do?
  • 00:16:15.711 --> 00:16:17.413
  • Close the packages. okay.
  • 00:16:17.413 --> 00:16:19.482
  • Do you think you might
  • 00:16:19.482 --> 00:16:20.550
  • Deliver the package to nancy guthrie's house on?
  • 00:16:20.550 --> 00:16:22.118
  • Might have been a possibility that i don't know.
  • 00:16:22.118 --> 00:16:24.787
  • Yeah.
  • 00:16:24.787 --> 00:16:25.955
  • Do you ever deliver, like, amazon packages or anything?
  • 00:16:25.955 --> 00:16:27.156
  • But that's kind of the same thing. yeah.
  • 00:16:27.156 --> 00:16:29.792
  • So do you think you may have.
  • 00:16:29.792 --> 00:16:31.194
  • Did they ever. did they indicate that
  • 00:16:31.194 --> 00:16:32.328
  • You might have been on her property?
  • 00:16:32.328 --> 00:16:33.729
  • You're not sure?
  • 00:16:33.729 --> 00:16:34.730
  • Nah, they just came up. they did.
  • 00:16:34.730 --> 00:16:37.567
  • Until right now, all i know is that they show my my,
  • 00:16:37.567 --> 00:16:39.869
  • My in, a picture of somebody wearing a mask or something,
  • 00:16:39.869 --> 00:16:44.006
  • And they they supposedly looked like my eyes.
  • 00:16:44.006 --> 00:16:46.242
  • Right?
  • 00:16:46.242 --> 00:16:47.510
  • So, john, give us the latest.
  • 00:16:47.510 --> 00:16:49.278
  • I mean, there was it seemed like this case had stalled.
  • 00:16:49.278 --> 00:16:51.714
  • And then all of a sudden
  • 00:16:51.714 --> 00:16:52.815
  • It just accelerated rapidly with savannah guthrie
  • 00:16:52.815 --> 00:16:55.985
  • And her mom, who's obviously been kidnaped.
  • 00:16:55.985 --> 00:16:58.321
  • Nancy, what is the latest?
  • 00:16:58.321 --> 00:17:00.389
  • They had this person of interest
  • 00:17:00.389 --> 00:17:01.557
  • That was detained, not arrested.
  • 00:17:01.557 --> 00:17:03.059
  • They've let this person go.
  • 00:17:03.059 --> 00:17:04.460
  • What what's the latest?
  • 00:17:04.460 --> 00:17:06.329
  • So i think what you're seeing is the fbi has a
  • 00:17:06.329 --> 00:17:09.065
  • Pool of suspects.
  • 00:17:09.065 --> 00:17:10.099
  • Remember what cash
  • 00:17:10.099 --> 00:17:10.900
  • Patel told sean hannity last night
  • 00:17:10.900 --> 00:17:12.768
  • That they're
  • 00:17:12.768 --> 00:17:13.936
  • Looking at multiple people who could be involved in this?
  • 00:17:13.936 --> 00:17:15.838
  • It doesn't mean they were working together.
  • 00:17:15.838 --> 00:17:17.140
  • It could be that
  • 00:17:17.140 --> 00:17:18.307
  • They've got a pool of people that fit certain criteria.
  • 00:17:18.307 --> 00:17:20.910
  • Their phone was in the area at the time.
  • 00:17:20.910 --> 00:17:22.545
  • Their eyes looked the same as the guy in the camera.
  • 00:17:22.545 --> 00:17:24.981
  • They were near or their phone was near
  • 00:17:24.981 --> 00:17:27.316
  • A location that was of interest.
  • 00:17:27.316 --> 00:17:29.485
  • And they're trying to narrow down,
  • 00:17:29.485 --> 00:17:31.120
  • Who those people are and whether one of those people
  • 00:17:31.120 --> 00:17:33.890
  • Could or more than one of those people
  • 00:17:33.890 --> 00:17:36.025
  • Could have been involved in the abduction.
  • 00:17:36.025 --> 00:17:37.693
  • And so it's a process of elimination.
  • 00:17:37.693 --> 00:17:40.096
  • And, you know, we in the media
  • 00:17:40.096 --> 00:17:41.664
  • Sometimes want instant gratification.
  • 00:17:41.664 --> 00:17:43.366
  • First guy, we're going to get them,
  • 00:17:43.366 --> 00:17:44.834
  • You know, cash patel,
  • 00:17:44.834 --> 00:17:46.602
  • Did a good job getting, charlie's shooter right away.
  • 00:17:46.602 --> 00:17:50.339
  • But sometimes you have to eliminate few people.
  • 00:17:50.339 --> 00:17:52.241
  • You got four phones in the right area
  • 00:17:52.241 --> 00:17:54.810
  • At the right time,
  • 00:17:54.810 --> 00:17:55.778
  • And we got to figure out which one is which
  • 00:17:55.778 --> 00:17:57.346
  • Until we find the guy whose eyes match
  • 00:17:57.346 --> 00:17:59.348
  • Who's on the camera. and i think they're
  • 00:17:59.348 --> 00:18:00.716
  • In a process of elimination right now.
  • 00:18:00.716 --> 00:18:03.119
  • And that will mean
  • 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:04.086
  • Some people are going to be detained
  • 00:18:04.086 --> 00:18:05.454
  • Who are innocent,
  • 00:18:05.454 --> 00:18:06.289
  • Some people are going to be detained
  • 00:18:06.289 --> 00:18:07.356
  • That might ultimately be involved in the plot,
  • 00:18:07.356 --> 00:18:09.625
  • But it is a process of elimination,
  • 00:18:09.625 --> 00:18:11.627
  • And it's not unlike
  • 00:18:11.627 --> 00:18:12.862
  • What happens in a case like this,
  • 00:18:12.862 --> 00:18:14.297
  • Where a lot of the evidence is already cold
  • 00:18:14.297 --> 00:18:16.799
  • And you got to go back
  • 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:17.967
  • And go to your second
  • 00:18:17.967 --> 00:18:19.001
  • Level of evidence to start finding people.
  • 00:18:19.001 --> 00:18:20.903
  • Second level of evidence is a little less certain,
  • 00:18:20.903 --> 00:18:23.439
  • But it gives you a pool of people to start looking at.
  • 00:18:23.439 --> 00:18:25.741
  • And i think they're in that process right now.
  • 00:18:25.741 --> 00:18:28.644
  • Yeah. and john, that's my question, right.
  • 00:18:28.644 --> 00:18:30.479
  • Because i remember this when,
  • 00:18:30.479 --> 00:18:32.915
  • You know, charlie was killed, you know, that everybody's
  • 00:18:32.915 --> 00:18:35.451
  • Talking about the first 48 hours.
  • 00:18:35.451 --> 00:18:36.986
  • This is day 11 of this.
  • 00:18:36.986 --> 00:18:39.689
  • So very you know, the question then becomes, you know, how
  • 00:18:39.689 --> 00:18:44.560
  • How does this case get solved 11 days
  • 00:18:44.560 --> 00:18:47.230
  • Out from the actual crime.
  • 00:18:47.230 --> 00:18:50.132
  • And you know what?
  • 00:18:50.132 --> 00:18:52.368
  • What is the, i guess my question
  • 00:18:52.368 --> 00:18:55.972
  • Is really been centered around, is this cartel related?
  • 00:18:55.972 --> 00:18:58.507
  • Have you heard
  • 00:18:58.507 --> 00:18:59.642
  • Anybody referencing that as their concern about that?
  • 00:18:59.642 --> 00:19:02.578
  • I noticed
  • 00:19:02.578 --> 00:19:03.246
  • Last night on the networks,
  • 00:19:03.246 --> 00:19:04.180
  • Nobody was mentioning that
  • 00:19:04.180 --> 00:19:05.648
  • Nobody wants to get ahead of themselves.
  • 00:19:05.648 --> 00:19:07.083
  • I get that,
  • 00:19:07.083 --> 00:19:08.184
  • But this to me would be the the immediate thought.
  • 00:19:08.184 --> 00:19:11.454
  • But, you know, everybody keeps looking for
  • 00:19:11.454 --> 00:19:12.989
  • Those closest to the guthrie family
  • 00:19:12.989 --> 00:19:14.890
  • That might be connected in the tucson area.
  • 00:19:14.890 --> 00:19:17.627
  • Yeah.
  • 00:19:17.627 --> 00:19:18.694
  • I think right now what you see in the statement
  • 00:19:18.694 --> 00:19:21.964
  • Said the sheriff has made, is that they believe the person
  • 00:19:21.964 --> 00:19:25.701
  • Who, came to this home had some familiarity
  • 00:19:25.701 --> 00:19:28.871
  • With the home,
  • 00:19:28.871 --> 00:19:29.839
  • Obviously not enough familiar millionaire,
  • 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:30.740
  • Because they looked like
  • 00:19:30.740 --> 00:19:31.641
  • They got surprised by the ring camera.
  • 00:19:31.641 --> 00:19:33.342
  • That's why they go get the brush
  • 00:19:33.342 --> 00:19:34.543
  • And try to get rid of the ring camera.
  • 00:19:34.543 --> 00:19:36.145
  • But they seem to know, the structure of the house,
  • 00:19:36.145 --> 00:19:38.981
  • How to enter, and where to go run back from.
  • 00:19:38.981 --> 00:19:42.485
  • And so that tells you that this was a crime
  • 00:19:42.485 --> 00:19:44.920
  • That at least was thought out, if not from someone
  • 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:46.722
  • That has some familiarity with the property.
  • 00:19:46.722 --> 00:19:49.358
  • But that doesn't mean that a drug cartel
  • 00:19:49.358 --> 00:19:51.127
  • Couldn't have case the joint.
  • 00:19:51.127 --> 00:19:52.295
  • It doesn't mean that an insider could have been involved.
  • 00:19:52.295 --> 00:19:55.164
  • It could mean someone that they met once
  • 00:19:55.164 --> 00:19:56.999
  • And that came back to the house and realized
  • 00:19:56.999 --> 00:19:58.801
  • They had a victim of potential opportunity.
  • 00:19:58.801 --> 00:20:01.771
  • They're in a phase now where they don't have a
  • 00:20:01.771 --> 00:20:05.207
  • Singular theory.
  • 00:20:05.207 --> 00:20:06.175
  • And i think that's what happens 11 days out.
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  • You start to approach a case
  • 00:20:08.277 --> 00:20:09.645
  • From a cold case perspective, just like the way,
  • 00:20:09.645 --> 00:20:12.548
  • The fbi produced, the arrested, the,
  • 00:20:12.548 --> 00:20:16.485
  • January 6th bomber after five years,
  • 00:20:16.485 --> 00:20:18.954
  • You go back
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  • And now you start to look at a wider circle of evidence.
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  • Someone in a pattern of evidence.
  • 00:20:22.858 --> 00:20:24.760
  • Someone had that ring camera for a while.
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  • Where did that ring ring camera?
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  • Why its battery was still on.
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  • What direction was that going and where did it last?
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  • Ping.
  • 00:20:32.401 --> 00:20:33.469
  • What are the white trucks that went by the house?
  • 00:20:33.469 --> 00:20:35.538
  • Who has a white truck or a white suv?
  • 00:20:35.538 --> 00:20:38.274
  • Because that was what neighbors reported.
  • 00:20:38.274 --> 00:20:40.276
  • And you start looking for people that have
  • 00:20:40.276 --> 00:20:42.378
  • Multiple points of evidence, but none of them are directly,
  • 00:20:42.378 --> 00:20:45.681
  • Obviously involved.
  • 00:20:45.681 --> 00:20:46.916
  • And you start going through
  • 00:20:46.916 --> 00:20:47.950
  • Them and saying, could this be the person?
  • 00:20:47.950 --> 00:20:49.852
  • They have a very important piece of evidence.
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  • They have biometrics of the eyes,
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  • And they're going to find that person eventually
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  • By stopping someone.
  • 00:20:56.959 --> 00:20:58.127
  • And one of the first things
  • 00:20:58.127 --> 00:20:59.261
  • You could do is an iris scan to see if it matches that,
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  • That suspect.
  • 00:21:03.099 --> 00:21:04.467
  • And i think that that is a process is.
  • 00:21:04.467 --> 00:21:07.036
  • But they're widening the circle
  • 00:21:07.036 --> 00:21:08.671
  • Because there isn't a singular, obvious candidate
  • 00:21:08.671 --> 00:21:11.674
  • That's going to result in some misses
  • 00:21:11.674 --> 00:21:13.876
  • When you do this sort of process of elimination,
  • 00:21:13.876 --> 00:21:16.278
  • Some people are going to be innocent, but,
  • 00:21:16.278 --> 00:21:18.080
  • You know, they
  • 00:21:18.080 --> 00:21:19.315
  • Fit some of the data profiles and you got to work them down.
  • 00:21:19.315 --> 00:21:21.250
  • But they're more in a cold case mode now than they were
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  • In the first 48 hours.
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  • When you try to solve a crime,
  • 00:21:25.821 --> 00:21:27.356
  • There's a lot of questions about what the sheriff did
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  • And didn't do in the early part
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  • Of this investigation by the property.
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  • That's mike for a while.
  • 00:21:32.995 --> 00:21:33.896
  • Yeah, yeah, that's my question, john.
  • 00:21:33.896 --> 00:21:36.465
  • So there was there's been sort of a storyline here
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  • That local officials were slow to cooperate with the feds.
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  • Have you confirmed that in your reporting?
  • 00:21:43.439 --> 00:21:45.641
  • I think there's been conversations
  • 00:21:46.375 --> 00:21:48.110
  • Going along, all throughout, but that the sheriff's
  • 00:21:48.110 --> 00:21:51.447
  • Department was in the lead early on.
  • 00:21:51.447 --> 00:21:53.215
  • And then at some point, the fbi comes into the lead
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  • 3 to 4 days out.
  • 00:21:55.785 --> 00:21:56.886
  • And that's a not an uncommon scenario,
  • 00:21:56.886 --> 00:21:59.622
  • In a local crime, particularly, if, you know,
  • 00:21:59.622 --> 00:22:04.727
  • It looks like the local police can solve
  • 00:22:04.727 --> 00:22:06.462
  • In the first couple of days,
  • 00:22:06.462 --> 00:22:07.430
  • The fbi comes in and assist the story from
  • 00:22:07.430 --> 00:22:09.598
  • When you get 3 to 4 days out, and when there's a possibility
  • 00:22:09.598 --> 00:22:12.401
  • That this could be a multiple person plot,
  • 00:22:12.401 --> 00:22:15.104
  • Which is one of the theories here.
  • 00:22:15.104 --> 00:22:16.639
  • You got the crypto coming in.
  • 00:22:16.639 --> 00:22:18.274
  • Yeah. the alleged crypto allegations.
  • 00:22:18.274 --> 00:22:20.543
  • You now
  • 00:22:20.543 --> 00:22:21.744
  • Bring in the eyes expertise and they bring capable parties
  • 00:22:21.744 --> 00:22:24.713
  • At a local sheriff's department.
  • 00:22:24.713 --> 00:22:26.015
  • Has fbi is much better at going back and retrieving,
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  • Old ring footage, camera footage
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  • Than a local police would be capable of doing.
  • 00:22:32.421 --> 00:22:34.356
  • There are forensic capabilities that local police don't have,
  • 00:22:34.356 --> 00:22:37.226
  • And so the fbi comes in.
  • 00:22:37.226 --> 00:22:38.327
  • But that that's how you get the video.
  • 00:22:38.327 --> 00:22:40.062
  • The video comes out, it starts getting people thinking,
  • 00:22:40.062 --> 00:22:42.264
  • I think i know someone that looks like that.
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  • He drives a white van.
  • 00:22:43.866 --> 00:22:45.134
  • Tip start coming in and then you're starting
  • 00:22:45.134 --> 00:22:46.969
  • To cold call that, pool of suspects
  • 00:22:46.969 --> 00:22:50.206
  • When you go back to the january 6th case.
  • 00:22:50.206 --> 00:22:52.007
  • And it's a classic case
  • 00:22:52.007 --> 00:22:53.642
  • Of solving an old crime and an old crime.
  • 00:22:53.642 --> 00:22:55.611
  • Is anything outside
  • 00:22:55.611 --> 00:22:56.812
  • The 48 hour window when when every every lead is still hot?
  • 00:22:56.812 --> 00:23:00.549
  • They had a group of people, that they saw come in
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  • The third street tunnel.
  • 00:23:03.953 --> 00:23:05.254
  • They had a group of people who had phones.
  • 00:23:05.254 --> 00:23:08.057
  • They had, in the vicinity.
  • 00:23:08.057 --> 00:23:09.592
  • They had a group of people, that, had some
  • 00:23:09.592 --> 00:23:12.995
  • Political reasons to, have concerns about security.
  • 00:23:12.995 --> 00:23:16.632
  • Six, five seconds, john.
  • 00:23:16.632 --> 00:23:17.600
  • And they
  • 00:23:17.600 --> 00:23:18.400
  • They put all those people on a map,
  • 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:19.969
  • And you just start eliminating two,
  • 00:23:19.969 --> 00:23:21.170
  • You find your guy, and that's what's going on right now.
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