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Charlie Kirk Today | John Solomon: February 12, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | February 12, 2026
- The story we wanted to start with today is one
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- That i think affects all of certainly all of us
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- Here, in a more personal way than it ever did before
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- Yesterday, there was a mass shooting in canada.
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- This is in the town of tumbler ridge.
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- It's in northern british columbia.
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- It's a town of only a few thousand people,
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- Very far away from anywhere else.
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- And there was a shooter there, and there's been
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- Ten fatalities, including the shooter himself.
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- But what stands out about this is it fits into a
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- Micro pattern that has emerged over the past few years.
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- The police originally identified the shooter
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- As a woman in a dress with brown hair.
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- I think if you're like me, if you're like a lot of people,
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- That immediately makes you raise an eyebrow.
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- A woman in a dress.
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- And unsurprisingly, what a lot of
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- People immediately jump to is this is probably
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- A transgender person who has done a shooting.
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- And that was only supported when the police came out.
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- And this is the
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- Canadian police, of course,
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- And began referring to the shooter as
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- A word i'm not sure any of us have ever heard before.
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- Let's play clip 351.
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- That includes the deceased gun person.
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- Okay.
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- And then separately,
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- Do you know the gun person's relationship to the.
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- A gun person, not a gunman?
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- I think even i think even when a woman does
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- A shooting, it's usually just gunman.
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- But now this time it's a gun person.
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- And so i'm not going to recite the name purely
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- Because the canadian police have not officially identified
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- The shooter yet.
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- But we have very, very strong,
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- I would say, overwhelming evidence that this shooter
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- Was a local transgender individual.
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- This person killed two people
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- In their own family at their home
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- And then went to their school and went on a spree shooting.
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- And this is something that personally affects me,
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- Because i remember
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- When the covenant school
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- Shooting happened
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- In the spring of 2023, i just started working with charlie
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- And that shooter of course, turned out
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- To have
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- A transgender identification
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- Along with a bunch of other issues.
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- And charlie predicted on the show
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- That he thought there would be a wave
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- Of transgender shooters of one kind or another.
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- And i was skeptical.
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- I said, charlie,
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- They're a very tiny share of the population, under 1%.
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- Shootings like this are rare events generally,
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- And i just i don't think you're likely to see, you know,
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- 1% times a tiny number turn into a real trend.
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- And the truth is, is charlie was right
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- And i was wrong because since then
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- We had the shooting at annunciation
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- Catholic in minneapolis that was a transgender shooter.
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- We've had, we hadn't known about this
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- At the time or noticed it,
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- But highlands ranch in colorado,
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- There was a shooting there,
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- Two shooters, and one of them was transgender.
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- And of course, as all of you know,
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- Tyler robinson, the suspect who we believe to be guilty
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- Of charlie's shooting,
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- He appears to have been motivated.
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- He was not transgender himself, but was in a relationship
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- With a transgender individual and seems to have been
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- Motivated ideologically by that cause.
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- And now this shooter,
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- We're getting the person who's very likely the shooter.
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- We're getting details.
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- Someone found their reddit account.
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- This person was taking, a super dose
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- Of zoloft, 280mg a day.
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- I checked online.
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- The starting dose is 25mg, goes up to 200.
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- This person was taking 280.
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- They were supplementing that with marijuana.
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- They were taking something called, five mo dmt,
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- Which is a, psychoactive drug that you get from licking
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- Arizona desert toad.
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- You extract that and get a psychoactive experience.
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- And then this person
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- Was taking
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- A giant pile of hormones because they thought
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- They should be the opposite sex.
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- This suspected shooter appears to on reddit.
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- Besides posting about
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- The insane number of drugs they were taking,
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- They were taking,
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- They were going to a shooting range and practicing,
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- And they were posting
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- Clips of this on trans guns, which is a subreddit
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- That exists for transgender people to practice with guns.
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- We've created a very, very
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- Toxic environment,
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- And i just shudder to think that we're probably going
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- To have more events like this, more shooters,
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- Like the ones who target cabinet school, like,
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- Annunciation catholic
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- And like what happened with charlie.
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- But in the meantime, we do have this,
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- Very bleak denial where there's a, there's a true dynamic.
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- You notice with the shooting where they have
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- The competing impulses, where they realize
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- That if they publicly announce, oh, it was a shooter,
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- And it was a transgender individual
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- Who may have been motivated by that, that will look bad.
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- But they've also been trained for a decade that
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- They can't deny this person's pronouns.
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- So we get this
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- Bizarre situation where they're using gun person
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- As their, chosen lingo, but they won't
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- They won't confirm who the shooter is.
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- They've they've taken longer on this
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- Than i think
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- They normally would with something like,
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- Because they still haven't confirmed that a day later.
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- And they at this point i think very easily could
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- And you know, we have we have clips that point this out.
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- Let's do a 352.
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- But we know if it was a victim who was trans
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- Because we understand this is a 15 year old boy
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- Who identifies as a girl gun crazy.
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- If it would be a if it been a trans victim,
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- They'd have talked nonstop about that, as they did
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- About the tragedy of the killing of breonna joy.
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- Who was a boy?
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- Who was living as if he was a girl,
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- Was treated as a girl by his parents.
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- And he was killed.
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- He was not targeted for being gay.
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- But most of the media reports go on and on and on about this
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- Trans killing because he was trans identified.
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- But they ignore it when it's the perpetrator.
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- All right.
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- I'm told we do finally have andrew with us in palm beach.
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- So, andrew, welcome to the show.
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- And man, what a
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- What a tragedy that i think all of us are horrified.
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- We were letting you cook. we were letting you cook.
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- Blake, you made a lot of great points.
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- Yeah. i'm here in, palm beach.
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- The the mother ship for real?
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- America's voice with rob and parker. sig.
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- But, yeah, this was a horrible shooting.
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- And instantly you made the connection.
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- I thought about charlie.
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- I thought about the predictions he made.
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- We got a clip on the other side of his break
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- That we're going to play of charlie
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- Warning about this, and.
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- And he was right. and a lot of people were wrong.
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- But we'll be back from, break really soon.
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- Here, talk to you then.
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- Here, talk to you then.
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- On this trans shooting.
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- Blake, you've you really done a deep dive.
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- Bravo on that first segment.
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- You did fantastic.
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- I but we got to play this clip from charlie.
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- This was back in 2023.
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- You mentioned that charlie was right
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- And a lot of people were wrong.
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- And maybe even you were wrong.
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- But he nailed it.
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- And it's creepy watching this stuff.
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- You know, one of our producers sent me this
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- Clip from 2023 and said,
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- This is going to be hard to watch, but you have to play it.
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- And i agree,
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- You know, the way that
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- Everything went down with charlie and the tyler
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- Robinson case
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- And you made mention
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- Of the fact that he was at least motivated by his,
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- You know, relationship with this trans identifying person.
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- So let's let's go ahead and play it.
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- This is from i believe this is from march 28th, 2023.
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- Play cut.
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- 386 trans people have been made into
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- Kind of a sacred cow of american politics.
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- You can't question it.
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- You can't criticize it.
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- They believe they can threaten whoever they want.
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- This is the ultimate top of the impression olympics.
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- How many dead kids
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- Is it going to take for us to say
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- We probably gone too far here
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- And we should just ask a couple questions.
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- How many mass shootings
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- Have to happen where we probably say,
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- Wait a second, you know, we just calm down.
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- They have shirts where they say trans
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- Trans rights and they have all these
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- Weapons, or else that is a threat.
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- And tifa and the trans mafia
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- Are now partners, and nobody's investigating them. now.
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- No one's asking questions.
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- The media is terrified of these people.
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- And by the way, some of that fear is warranted.
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- You will get death threats.
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- They will try to come after you.
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- That's what they do.
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- They enjoy the violence against conservatives.
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- And he was 100% right on that.
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- And as we learned to our horror,
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- And it really is if you look around online,
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- If you start looking for the pattern,
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- You see it over and over again, because it's not just
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- That they're radicalized.
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- It's routinely even in stuff
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- That's not specifically about transgenderism.
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- Often the most radical, the most extreme people
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- In any movement are often,
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- The joke would be that the trans
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- They're like
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- The shock troops of, of leftism and often in bizarre ways,
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- Like a lot of the most militantly left wing moderators
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- On websites
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- Like wikipedia or on reddit, they're often transgender.
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- And then they're the ones, for example,
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- Who would be really gung ho about censorship.
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- So the reason censorship on so many platforms went through
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- The roof is you would have these transgender moderators
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- And editors and such take it over
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- And they would just
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- Everything gets consumed into them and forcing their,
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- Their fetish, this contagion on the entire population
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- Because they need that level of control.
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- Because, as people have pointed out, if they aren't endlessly
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- Having people affirm their identity,
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- It's like giving narcan to a heroin addict,
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- Or you're killing their high and you're driving them
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- Into a frenzy
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- And then on top of that, they're all medicated
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- To the gills on untold venom and so on.
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- Andrew.
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- But i wanted us to make sure
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- That we hit another aspect of this,
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- Because there is reason for hope. this is all bad.
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- We're probably going to see more shootings
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- Like this years to come.
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- But a big reason for hope
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- That happened in the last few days
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- And we haven't talked about it yet.
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- We're going to also see the reckoning
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- Against the freaks and frauds and charlatans,
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- The medical malpractice monsters in our schools
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- And hospital systems who fed people into this contagion.
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- A few, a couple of weeks ago
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- In new york, not a red state by any means.
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- A new york jury awarded
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- A, woman fox vaccine
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- $2 million in a medical malpractice case
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- Because she her parents were going through a divorce.
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- They were fighting over custody.
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- She got depressed.
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- She was diagnosed with autism.
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- And and as part of this, she started to identify
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- As a boy.
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- Was put on a rocket ship, got a double mastectomy
- 00:11:06.566 --> 00:11:09.369
- In about a year under a year,
- 00:11:10.003 --> 00:11:12.405
- And only got worse and then eventually transitioned,
- 00:11:12.405 --> 00:11:15.842
- Went to a jury and said i this was medical malpractice.
- 00:11:15.842 --> 00:11:19.346
- I was not really a boy.
- 00:11:19.346 --> 00:11:21.248
- And they did all these things to me.
- 00:11:21.248 --> 00:11:23.183
- And she just got $1.6 million,
- 00:11:23.183 --> 00:11:25.752
- In past pain and $400,000 to cover her future medical costs.
- 00:11:25.752 --> 00:11:30.724
- And if you look at the numbers from 2016 to 2020,
- 00:11:30.724 --> 00:11:34.461
- According to the american medical
- 00:11:34.461 --> 00:11:36.263
- Association, we've had over 3200 mastectomies on children
- 00:11:36.263 --> 00:11:40.300
- 12 to 18, 405 genital surgeries.
- 00:11:40.300 --> 00:11:43.937
- Blake. how many?
- 00:11:44.337 --> 00:11:45.305
- How many read that first 3215
- 00:11:45.305 --> 00:11:49.042
- Mastectomies on 12 to 18 year olds from 2016 to 2020.
- 00:11:49.042 --> 00:11:53.647
- So and that was before the peak, i'd say
- 00:11:53.647 --> 00:11:55.615
- The peak was probably 21, 22.
- 00:11:55.615 --> 00:11:57.350
- Maybe. maybe we're still peaking.
- 00:11:57.350 --> 00:11:58.852
- So we've probably had thousands more 405 genital
- 00:11:58.852 --> 00:12:02.189
- Surgeries, 350 other gender related procedures.
- 00:12:02.189 --> 00:12:05.759
- And that's on 12 to 18 year old children of both sexes.
- 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.629
- Almost certainly the real number is higher.
- 00:12:09.629 --> 00:12:11.698
- And that's that's surgeries.
- 00:12:11.698 --> 00:12:13.433
- Never mind how many people took hormones.
- 00:12:13.433 --> 00:12:15.969
- Because that's the first intervention they do.
- 00:12:15.969 --> 00:12:18.138
- Or puberty blockers.
- 00:12:18.138 --> 00:12:19.472
- We know the puberty blockers
- 00:12:19.472 --> 00:12:20.740
- That that wouldn't even fall into that age window.
- 00:12:20.740 --> 00:12:22.542
- That's often kids, you know, 9 to 12 years old.
- 00:12:22.542 --> 00:12:25.278
- And that can massively mess you up.
- 00:12:25.278 --> 00:12:27.047
- That can lower your iq.
- 00:12:27.047 --> 00:12:28.481
- That can make you infertile for life.
- 00:12:28.481 --> 00:12:30.984
- Huge numbers of problems.
- 00:12:30.984 --> 00:12:32.786
- And now the other day, the,
- 00:12:32.786 --> 00:12:37.190
- One of the.
- 00:12:37.524 --> 00:12:38.725
- Yeah, the american society of plastic surgeons basically
- 00:12:38.725 --> 00:12:42.062
- Came out against gender related, surgery for minors.
- 00:12:42.062 --> 00:12:45.532
- I think we're opening the door to a wave.
- 00:12:45.532 --> 00:12:48.602
- Thousands of these lawsuits
- 00:12:48.602 --> 00:12:50.237
- Could be coming, and they should be coming.
- 00:12:50.237 --> 00:12:52.272
- Red states.
- 00:12:52.272 --> 00:12:53.039
- We should make sure our laws
- 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:54.107
- Are as amenable as possible to these lawsuits.
- 00:12:54.107 --> 00:12:56.977
- Make it so
- 00:12:56.977 --> 00:12:57.477
- There's no window,
- 00:12:57.477 --> 00:12:59.012
- Where, you know, there's no statute of limitations on it,
- 00:12:59.012 --> 00:13:01.681
- No ceiling on the damages.
- 00:13:01.681 --> 00:13:03.149
- We should utterly bankrupt every doctor, every clinic
- 00:13:03.149 --> 00:13:08.355
- That fed children to this molech
- 00:13:08.355 --> 00:13:11.291
- Monstrosity.
- 00:13:11.291 --> 00:13:14.127
- Yeah.
- 00:13:14.127 --> 00:13:14.961
- It's, you'd hope something like this
- 00:13:14.961 --> 00:13:16.830
- Will just further underscore
- 00:13:16.830 --> 00:13:18.198
- Something that is common sense to most americans.
- 00:13:18.198 --> 00:13:21.201
- But the fact that
- 00:13:21.201 --> 00:13:22.269
- We're having to fight on this battle just shows
- 00:13:22.269 --> 00:13:23.436
- How bad it has gotten bad in so many senses of the word,
- 00:13:23.436 --> 00:13:27.674
- How detached from reality we've become.
- 00:13:27.674 --> 00:13:32.017
- How detached from reality we've become.
- 00:13:32.017 --> 00:13:38.388
- Let's
- 00:13:38.621 --> 00:13:39.455
- Hit nancy, nancy guthrie, because,
- 00:13:39.455 --> 00:13:41.691
- This was i mean, if you watched any of the news last night.
- 00:13:41.691 --> 00:13:44.727
- So i got in late into palm beach and i turned on the tv,
- 00:13:44.727 --> 00:13:48.031
- And it was like wall to wall coverage, like all the networks
- 00:13:48.031 --> 00:13:50.867
- Were covering it because this was.
- 00:13:50.867 --> 00:13:52.902
- We are now in the 11th day of this nancy
- 00:13:52.902 --> 00:13:55.905
- Guthrie saga where she was kidnaped.
- 00:13:55.905 --> 00:13:58.908
- And people figured out because she didn't
- 00:13:58.908 --> 00:14:00.677
- Make it to church and they called the family.
- 00:14:00.677 --> 00:14:03.146
- The family went check.
- 00:14:03.146 --> 00:14:04.314
- They immediately called 911 and got the cops involved,
- 00:14:04.314 --> 00:14:06.649
- And the investigation had stalled.
- 00:14:06.649 --> 00:14:09.285
- It just felt like there was no movement.
- 00:14:09.285 --> 00:14:10.887
- There was these ransom letters that were getting sent
- 00:14:10.887 --> 00:14:13.589
- To tmz and local affiliates that included bitcoin wallets.
- 00:14:13.589 --> 00:14:17.760
- And you saw savannah guthrie going on tv
- 00:14:18.628 --> 00:14:21.898
- Saying, please, you know, we want to talk.
- 00:14:21.898 --> 00:14:24.801
- And it does appear that there's been activity
- 00:14:24.801 --> 00:14:27.270
- Now in this bitcoin wallet.
- 00:14:27.270 --> 00:14:30.306
- So originally there was $300 sent an hour.
- 00:14:30.306 --> 00:14:32.675
- Now we're being told it could be all of it sent.
- 00:14:32.675 --> 00:14:34.677
- But harvey levin over
- 00:14:34.677 --> 00:14:36.312
- Tmz is being very coy about what they know.
- 00:14:36.312 --> 00:14:40.249
- It is it is one of those crazy stories
- 00:14:40.249 --> 00:14:43.553
- That just seemed to accelerate
- 00:14:43.553 --> 00:14:45.088
- With a lot of velocity last night.
- 00:14:45.088 --> 00:14:47.824
- And so the fbi releases these ring doorbell footage
- 00:14:47.824 --> 00:14:51.527
- That came from sort of residual data on this ring doorbell.
- 00:14:51.527 --> 00:14:55.431
- She, nancy guthrie did not have a subscription
- 00:14:55.431 --> 00:14:59.669
- To keep the footage to store the footage.
- 00:14:59.669 --> 00:15:02.205
- And so the fbi had to come in with their digital experts
- 00:15:02.205 --> 00:15:05.241
- And recreate it.
- 00:15:05.241 --> 00:15:06.409
- Reverse engineer it.
- 00:15:06.409 --> 00:15:08.378
- And then they went and found a person of interest.
- 00:15:08.378 --> 00:15:11.781
- Swat teams were sent out.
- 00:15:11.781 --> 00:15:13.549
- They investigated this guy.
- 00:15:13.549 --> 00:15:15.651
- It was,
- 00:15:15.651 --> 00:15:18.321
- Everybody last night was
- 00:15:18.855 --> 00:15:19.922
- Thinking, was this the guy that that kidnaped her?
- 00:15:19.922 --> 00:15:22.759
- Was it somebody that was associated with the case?
- 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.261
- And listen, when the when the networks like this
- 00:15:25.261 --> 00:15:28.297
- And when the tabloids
- 00:15:28.297 --> 00:15:29.599
- Are all covering this story, it means there's a billion
- 00:15:29.599 --> 00:15:32.301
- Eyeballs on this thing.
- 00:15:32.301 --> 00:15:33.436
- For this has captured the imagination of the country.
- 00:15:33.436 --> 00:15:37.173
- And it's just a
- 00:15:37.540 --> 00:15:38.708
- Really interesting story because as blake has mentioned,
- 00:15:38.708 --> 00:15:41.978
- As i've mentioned, is charlie's dimension.
- 00:15:41.978 --> 00:15:44.247
- You know, this is really close to the mexican border,
- 00:15:44.247 --> 00:15:47.116
- And this person of interest was pulled over in a traffic stop
- 00:15:47.116 --> 00:15:51.187
- About ten minutes
- 00:15:51.187 --> 00:15:52.688
- From the mexican border. so it's actually
- 00:15:52.688 --> 00:15:54.290
- South of tucson, where nancy guthrie lives.
- 00:15:54.290 --> 00:15:56.459
- It's pulled over in ten minutes away from the border.
- 00:15:56.459 --> 00:15:59.262
- We're all thinking, oh, here we go, here we go now.
- 00:15:59.262 --> 00:16:02.031
- Could be the cartels. then they interview him.
- 00:16:02.031 --> 00:16:04.133
- This guy gets released.
- 00:16:04.133 --> 00:16:05.435
- He says he's innocent. 356.
- 00:16:05.435 --> 00:16:07.670
- What were they asking you about?
- 00:16:07.670 --> 00:16:08.971
- That were my whereabouts okay, where do i work?
- 00:16:09.906 --> 00:16:12.608
- Where was i and all that?
- 00:16:12.608 --> 00:16:13.776
- But are you ever up in tucson?
- 00:16:13.776 --> 00:16:15.711
- Yeah, i work in tucson. what do you do?
- 00:16:15.711 --> 00:16:17.413
- Close the packages. okay.
- 00:16:17.413 --> 00:16:19.482
- Do you think you might
- 00:16:19.482 --> 00:16:20.550
- Deliver the package to nancy guthrie's house on?
- 00:16:20.550 --> 00:16:22.118
- Might have been a possibility that i don't know.
- 00:16:22.118 --> 00:16:24.787
- Yeah.
- 00:16:24.787 --> 00:16:25.955
- Do you ever deliver, like, amazon packages or anything?
- 00:16:25.955 --> 00:16:27.156
- But that's kind of the same thing. yeah.
- 00:16:27.156 --> 00:16:29.792
- So do you think you may have.
- 00:16:29.792 --> 00:16:31.194
- Did they ever. did they indicate that
- 00:16:31.194 --> 00:16:32.328
- You might have been on her property?
- 00:16:32.328 --> 00:16:33.729
- You're not sure?
- 00:16:33.729 --> 00:16:34.730
- Nah, they just came up. they did.
- 00:16:34.730 --> 00:16:37.567
- Until right now, all i know is that they show my my,
- 00:16:37.567 --> 00:16:39.869
- My in, a picture of somebody wearing a mask or something,
- 00:16:39.869 --> 00:16:44.006
- And they they supposedly looked like my eyes.
- 00:16:44.006 --> 00:16:46.242
- Right?
- 00:16:46.242 --> 00:16:47.510
- So, john, give us the latest.
- 00:16:47.510 --> 00:16:49.278
- I mean, there was it seemed like this case had stalled.
- 00:16:49.278 --> 00:16:51.714
- And then all of a sudden
- 00:16:51.714 --> 00:16:52.815
- It just accelerated rapidly with savannah guthrie
- 00:16:52.815 --> 00:16:55.985
- And her mom, who's obviously been kidnaped.
- 00:16:55.985 --> 00:16:58.321
- Nancy, what is the latest?
- 00:16:58.321 --> 00:17:00.389
- They had this person of interest
- 00:17:00.389 --> 00:17:01.557
- That was detained, not arrested.
- 00:17:01.557 --> 00:17:03.059
- They've let this person go.
- 00:17:03.059 --> 00:17:04.460
- What what's the latest?
- 00:17:04.460 --> 00:17:06.329
- So i think what you're seeing is the fbi has a
- 00:17:06.329 --> 00:17:09.065
- Pool of suspects.
- 00:17:09.065 --> 00:17:10.099
- Remember what cash
- 00:17:10.099 --> 00:17:10.900
- Patel told sean hannity last night
- 00:17:10.900 --> 00:17:12.768
- That they're
- 00:17:12.768 --> 00:17:13.936
- Looking at multiple people who could be involved in this?
- 00:17:13.936 --> 00:17:15.838
- It doesn't mean they were working together.
- 00:17:15.838 --> 00:17:17.140
- It could be that
- 00:17:17.140 --> 00:17:18.307
- They've got a pool of people that fit certain criteria.
- 00:17:18.307 --> 00:17:20.910
- Their phone was in the area at the time.
- 00:17:20.910 --> 00:17:22.545
- Their eyes looked the same as the guy in the camera.
- 00:17:22.545 --> 00:17:24.981
- They were near or their phone was near
- 00:17:24.981 --> 00:17:27.316
- A location that was of interest.
- 00:17:27.316 --> 00:17:29.485
- And they're trying to narrow down,
- 00:17:29.485 --> 00:17:31.120
- Who those people are and whether one of those people
- 00:17:31.120 --> 00:17:33.890
- Could or more than one of those people
- 00:17:33.890 --> 00:17:36.025
- Could have been involved in the abduction.
- 00:17:36.025 --> 00:17:37.693
- And so it's a process of elimination.
- 00:17:37.693 --> 00:17:40.096
- And, you know, we in the media
- 00:17:40.096 --> 00:17:41.664
- Sometimes want instant gratification.
- 00:17:41.664 --> 00:17:43.366
- First guy, we're going to get them,
- 00:17:43.366 --> 00:17:44.834
- You know, cash patel,
- 00:17:44.834 --> 00:17:46.602
- Did a good job getting, charlie's shooter right away.
- 00:17:46.602 --> 00:17:50.339
- But sometimes you have to eliminate few people.
- 00:17:50.339 --> 00:17:52.241
- You got four phones in the right area
- 00:17:52.241 --> 00:17:54.810
- At the right time,
- 00:17:54.810 --> 00:17:55.778
- And we got to figure out which one is which
- 00:17:55.778 --> 00:17:57.346
- Until we find the guy whose eyes match
- 00:17:57.346 --> 00:17:59.348
- Who's on the camera. and i think they're
- 00:17:59.348 --> 00:18:00.716
- In a process of elimination right now.
- 00:18:00.716 --> 00:18:03.119
- And that will mean
- 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:04.086
- Some people are going to be detained
- 00:18:04.086 --> 00:18:05.454
- Who are innocent,
- 00:18:05.454 --> 00:18:06.289
- Some people are going to be detained
- 00:18:06.289 --> 00:18:07.356
- That might ultimately be involved in the plot,
- 00:18:07.356 --> 00:18:09.625
- But it is a process of elimination,
- 00:18:09.625 --> 00:18:11.627
- And it's not unlike
- 00:18:11.627 --> 00:18:12.862
- What happens in a case like this,
- 00:18:12.862 --> 00:18:14.297
- Where a lot of the evidence is already cold
- 00:18:14.297 --> 00:18:16.799
- And you got to go back
- 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:17.967
- And go to your second
- 00:18:17.967 --> 00:18:19.001
- Level of evidence to start finding people.
- 00:18:19.001 --> 00:18:20.903
- Second level of evidence is a little less certain,
- 00:18:20.903 --> 00:18:23.439
- But it gives you a pool of people to start looking at.
- 00:18:23.439 --> 00:18:25.741
- And i think they're in that process right now.
- 00:18:25.741 --> 00:18:28.644
- Yeah. and john, that's my question, right.
- 00:18:28.644 --> 00:18:30.479
- Because i remember this when,
- 00:18:30.479 --> 00:18:32.915
- You know, charlie was killed, you know, that everybody's
- 00:18:32.915 --> 00:18:35.451
- Talking about the first 48 hours.
- 00:18:35.451 --> 00:18:36.986
- This is day 11 of this.
- 00:18:36.986 --> 00:18:39.689
- So very you know, the question then becomes, you know, how
- 00:18:39.689 --> 00:18:44.560
- How does this case get solved 11 days
- 00:18:44.560 --> 00:18:47.230
- Out from the actual crime.
- 00:18:47.230 --> 00:18:50.132
- And you know what?
- 00:18:50.132 --> 00:18:52.368
- What is the, i guess my question
- 00:18:52.368 --> 00:18:55.972
- Is really been centered around, is this cartel related?
- 00:18:55.972 --> 00:18:58.507
- Have you heard
- 00:18:58.507 --> 00:18:59.642
- Anybody referencing that as their concern about that?
- 00:18:59.642 --> 00:19:02.578
- I noticed
- 00:19:02.578 --> 00:19:03.246
- Last night on the networks,
- 00:19:03.246 --> 00:19:04.180
- Nobody was mentioning that
- 00:19:04.180 --> 00:19:05.648
- Nobody wants to get ahead of themselves.
- 00:19:05.648 --> 00:19:07.083
- I get that,
- 00:19:07.083 --> 00:19:08.184
- But this to me would be the the immediate thought.
- 00:19:08.184 --> 00:19:11.454
- But, you know, everybody keeps looking for
- 00:19:11.454 --> 00:19:12.989
- Those closest to the guthrie family
- 00:19:12.989 --> 00:19:14.890
- That might be connected in the tucson area.
- 00:19:14.890 --> 00:19:17.627
- Yeah.
- 00:19:17.627 --> 00:19:18.694
- I think right now what you see in the statement
- 00:19:18.694 --> 00:19:21.964
- Said the sheriff has made, is that they believe the person
- 00:19:21.964 --> 00:19:25.701
- Who, came to this home had some familiarity
- 00:19:25.701 --> 00:19:28.871
- With the home,
- 00:19:28.871 --> 00:19:29.839
- Obviously not enough familiar millionaire,
- 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:30.740
- Because they looked like
- 00:19:30.740 --> 00:19:31.641
- They got surprised by the ring camera.
- 00:19:31.641 --> 00:19:33.342
- That's why they go get the brush
- 00:19:33.342 --> 00:19:34.543
- And try to get rid of the ring camera.
- 00:19:34.543 --> 00:19:36.145
- But they seem to know, the structure of the house,
- 00:19:36.145 --> 00:19:38.981
- How to enter, and where to go run back from.
- 00:19:38.981 --> 00:19:42.485
- And so that tells you that this was a crime
- 00:19:42.485 --> 00:19:44.920
- That at least was thought out, if not from someone
- 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:46.722
- That has some familiarity with the property.
- 00:19:46.722 --> 00:19:49.358
- But that doesn't mean that a drug cartel
- 00:19:49.358 --> 00:19:51.127
- Couldn't have case the joint.
- 00:19:51.127 --> 00:19:52.295
- It doesn't mean that an insider could have been involved.
- 00:19:52.295 --> 00:19:55.164
- It could mean someone that they met once
- 00:19:55.164 --> 00:19:56.999
- And that came back to the house and realized
- 00:19:56.999 --> 00:19:58.801
- They had a victim of potential opportunity.
- 00:19:58.801 --> 00:20:01.771
- They're in a phase now where they don't have a
- 00:20:01.771 --> 00:20:05.207
- Singular theory.
- 00:20:05.207 --> 00:20:06.175
- And i think that's what happens 11 days out.
- 00:20:06.175 --> 00:20:08.277
- You start to approach a case
- 00:20:08.277 --> 00:20:09.645
- From a cold case perspective, just like the way,
- 00:20:09.645 --> 00:20:12.548
- The fbi produced, the arrested, the,
- 00:20:12.548 --> 00:20:16.485
- January 6th bomber after five years,
- 00:20:16.485 --> 00:20:18.954
- You go back
- 00:20:18.954 --> 00:20:20.122
- And now you start to look at a wider circle of evidence.
- 00:20:20.122 --> 00:20:22.858
- Someone in a pattern of evidence.
- 00:20:22.858 --> 00:20:24.760
- Someone had that ring camera for a while.
- 00:20:24.760 --> 00:20:27.063
- Where did that ring ring camera?
- 00:20:27.063 --> 00:20:28.431
- Why its battery was still on.
- 00:20:28.431 --> 00:20:29.598
- What direction was that going and where did it last?
- 00:20:29.598 --> 00:20:32.401
- Ping.
- 00:20:32.401 --> 00:20:33.469
- What are the white trucks that went by the house?
- 00:20:33.469 --> 00:20:35.538
- Who has a white truck or a white suv?
- 00:20:35.538 --> 00:20:38.274
- Because that was what neighbors reported.
- 00:20:38.274 --> 00:20:40.276
- And you start looking for people that have
- 00:20:40.276 --> 00:20:42.378
- Multiple points of evidence, but none of them are directly,
- 00:20:42.378 --> 00:20:45.681
- Obviously involved.
- 00:20:45.681 --> 00:20:46.916
- And you start going through
- 00:20:46.916 --> 00:20:47.950
- Them and saying, could this be the person?
- 00:20:47.950 --> 00:20:49.852
- They have a very important piece of evidence.
- 00:20:49.852 --> 00:20:51.887
- They have biometrics of the eyes,
- 00:20:51.887 --> 00:20:54.223
- And they're going to find that person eventually
- 00:20:54.223 --> 00:20:56.959
- By stopping someone.
- 00:20:56.959 --> 00:20:58.127
- And one of the first things
- 00:20:58.127 --> 00:20:59.261
- You could do is an iris scan to see if it matches that,
- 00:20:59.261 --> 00:21:03.099
- That suspect.
- 00:21:03.099 --> 00:21:04.467
- And i think that that is a process is.
- 00:21:04.467 --> 00:21:07.036
- But they're widening the circle
- 00:21:07.036 --> 00:21:08.671
- Because there isn't a singular, obvious candidate
- 00:21:08.671 --> 00:21:11.674
- That's going to result in some misses
- 00:21:11.674 --> 00:21:13.876
- When you do this sort of process of elimination,
- 00:21:13.876 --> 00:21:16.278
- Some people are going to be innocent, but,
- 00:21:16.278 --> 00:21:18.080
- You know, they
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- Fit some of the data profiles and you got to work them down.
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- But they're more in a cold case mode now than they were
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- In the first 48 hours.
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- When you try to solve a crime,
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- There's a lot of questions about what the sheriff did
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- And didn't do in the early part
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- Of this investigation by the property.
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- That's mike for a while.
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- Yeah, yeah, that's my question, john.
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- So there was there's been sort of a storyline here
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- That local officials were slow to cooperate with the feds.
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- Have you confirmed that in your reporting?
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- I think there's been conversations
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- Going along, all throughout, but that the sheriff's
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- Department was in the lead early on.
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- And then at some point, the fbi comes into the lead
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- 3 to 4 days out.
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- And that's a not an uncommon scenario,
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- In a local crime, particularly, if, you know,
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- It looks like the local police can solve
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- In the first couple of days,
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- The fbi comes in and assist the story from
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- When you get 3 to 4 days out, and when there's a possibility
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- That this could be a multiple person plot,
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- Which is one of the theories here.
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- You got the crypto coming in.
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- Yeah. the alleged crypto allegations.
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- You now
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- Bring in the eyes expertise and they bring capable parties
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- At a local sheriff's department.
- 00:22:24.713 --> 00:22:26.015
- Has fbi is much better at going back and retrieving,
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- Old ring footage, camera footage
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- Than a local police would be capable of doing.
- 00:22:32.421 --> 00:22:34.356
- There are forensic capabilities that local police don't have,
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- And so the fbi comes in.
- 00:22:37.226 --> 00:22:38.327
- But that that's how you get the video.
- 00:22:38.327 --> 00:22:40.062
- The video comes out, it starts getting people thinking,
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- I think i know someone that looks like that.
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- He drives a white van.
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- Tip start coming in and then you're starting
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- To cold call that, pool of suspects
- 00:22:46.969 --> 00:22:50.206
- When you go back to the january 6th case.
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- And it's a classic case
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- Of solving an old crime and an old crime.
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- Is anything outside
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- The 48 hour window when when every every lead is still hot?
- 00:22:56.812 --> 00:23:00.549
- They had a group of people, that they saw come in
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- The third street tunnel.
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- They had a group of people who had phones.
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- They had, in the vicinity.
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- They had a group of people, that, had some
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- Political reasons to, have concerns about security.
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- Six, five seconds, john.
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- And they
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- They put all those people on a map,
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- And you just start eliminating two,
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- You find your guy, and that's what's going on right now.
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