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Charlie Kirk Today | Jonathan Keeperman: December 30, 2025 |Charlie Kirk Today | December 30, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- It's good to be back.
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- Here in the studio.
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- Lots to discuss.
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- We have a maxed out show today.
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- And, blake, i mean, really, the the
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- The big story is the somali fraud, but it's it's
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- Bigger than this, actually,
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- It's crazy how this has really eaten about.
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- I was check in when we were first
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- Having guests on about this.
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- This is eaten
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- About a month of news, just this steadily exploding
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- Bomb of somali related fraud centered on minnesota.
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- It has been around for a while.
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- I was looking through the
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- Archives and it's shocking how long we've basically known
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- This is happening, but it blew up again
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- In public consciousness when, chris rufo and ryan
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- Thorpe had their article for the manhattan institute.
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- They talked about different programs, covid related stuff,
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- Daycare related stuff.
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- They talked about
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- A lot of different programs going into it,
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- And then that increased a lot of attention on it,
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- And people started to notice other stuff.
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- And then what's been blowing up this past week,
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- There's a youtuber, nick shirley.
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- He's, i guess, you know,
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- I guess you call it a citizen journalist. then.
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- Blake, can i see the video?
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- Yeah. what can i say? one quick thing about nick shurley.
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- I don't mean to get in your your vibe here.
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- Nick is doing great work.
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- Massive top ten all time engage tweets, if you will.
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- But what's crazy is
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- I reached out to nick, so he's planning on coming on the show
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- An hour or two if we can get it done.
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- But he was the last live guest on the charlie
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- Kirk show on on 910. that.
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- Oh my gosh. yeah. that's crazy.
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- So the text i texted him about it
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- And he came on with me because i guest
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- Hosted that day, if you'll remember.
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- And he said that him being the last live guest
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- On the charlie kirk show, even though it was with me
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- And charlie was on his way to utah, that, it
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- It has really meant a lot to him.
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- And he said it
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- It it's fueled him to do more stories like he's done.
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- So i just
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- I wanted to give a shout out to that moment and nick giving,
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- You know, some credit to charlie for, for
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- Being inspired to do the kinds of reporting that he's doing.
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- So please, continue.
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- But i thought i thought it was an important, note to me.
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- Yeah, absolutely.
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- So, well, if he's been inspired, he was
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- It was a very successful inspiration.
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- So he had a 42 minute video.
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- It's on youtube and it's on x.
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- On x, it has been viewed over 114
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- Million engagements.
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- On that tweet, it's got a ton of attention
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- From elon musk, from the vice president.
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- It's really it's penetrated the wider popular
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- Consciousness in a way, these stories often do not.
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- I think people you don't normally expect to see,
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- I guess stories about municipal fraud are noticing this one.
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- And what he did is he just went into the public records
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- Of who is getting taxpayer subsidies
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- For running a daycare in minnesota,
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- And he's got a camera and he started to visit them.
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- And we have a montage of some of what he found.
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- It's a 42 minutes.
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- It's worth
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- Going to watch the whole thing,
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- But we have some highlights of it.
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- About a minute.
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- Let's play clip 124.
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- So this is quality learning center.
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- I'm meant to say quality learning center.
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- We've arrived to abc learning center.
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- All the windows are blacked out.
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- I would like to check a child in a daycare.
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- Right.
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- I would like to see if i can bring a little joey.
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- My son, little joey.
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- Here is their paperwork.
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- Okay? and check out the daycare.
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- No. from the state of minnesota website,
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- It says you have 102 children here in your child care, which
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- Got daycare many minnesota child care right here.
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- It's from the state of minnesota website.
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- We're just wondering where the children are,
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- Where the children are.
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- Yeah. where are the children?
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- It says you have 102 children here,
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- And you got $2.66 million this year in funding.
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- We'd like to ask where the money's going.
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- Now, i want to elaborate on that a little bit,
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- Because you can see some of these.
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- The building exists,
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- That one at the end
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- There had some disney decorations in the back.
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- This doesn't necessarily need to be
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- A fraud of the daycare center
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- Not existing at all, or at not having any children at all.
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- If you look into the details of this,
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- What can routinely happen, for example, is
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- Maybe they're billing the state for having watching a child
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- All day, maybe, you know, eight hours, ten hour,
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- Whatever the amount is, when in reality
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- They had children there for only one hour,
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- Or there have been cases in the past.
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- This has been known for years, about a decade.
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- At this point,
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- They'll have parents will bring in
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- A child for a few minutes, check them in
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- And then leave with them.
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- But again, they'll be reporting it like it's a full day.
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- There's all sorts of stuff that can go on.
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- And as we saw in the manhattan institute
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- Report, there's often just not a lot of interest
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- By democrats who run the state of minnesota to police this.
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- And so the room for fraud is absolutely immense,
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- Because you can get away with a lot
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- If nobody cares about stopping you from breaking the law.
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- Jonathan cooperman joins us next.
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- The great lopez.
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- We'll be right back.
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- The wounds from october 7th
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- Didn't fade when the headlines did.
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- Behind me rises
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- A new rehabilitation home for israel's wounded soldiers.
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- One of many urgent projects israel needs right now.
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- Entire communities shattered.
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- Families displaced.
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- And each day,
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- The impact of the need grows even more overwhelming.
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- But the bible says it clearly.
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- The righteous will live by faith and by faith.
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- The fellowship is rolling up our sleeves
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- And stepping into this immense challenge.
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- Helping mothers who don't know where to begin again.
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- Standing with paralyzed heroes.
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- Fighting to take their first steps.
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- Building centers of healing for the wounded
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- And the traumatized.
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- Bringing food and comfort to elderly israelis
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- Who have no one else to care for them.
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- To see the life saving work of the fellowship.
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- Unfolding across israel right now.
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- Visit ifc's dawg.
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- Visit ifc's dawg.
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- Without further
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- Ado, i want to welcome in jonathan cooperman lomas.
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- Always, always got to throw that in.
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- He's the founder of passage press.
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- Amazing company
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- And the podcast rufo and lomas with the blaze.
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- So check that out. there we go. yeah, there you are.
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- I know you're traveling.
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- Jonathan, but, blake and i were very honored
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- That you made some time during your holiday travels.
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- Just because we have a lot of really important things
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- To talk about.
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- And i have texted you, and i said, listen,
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- There's a lot going on, a lot swirling.
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- Swirling.
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- I think when people log on to acts or whatever platform,
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- It's it's hard to understand where the movement's at,
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- Where we need to go, what we need to do.
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- It's a fraught time and it means we need,
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- I think, sage voices of wisdom, the honest brokers,
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- The good faith brokers to kind of
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- Step into this space, be loud and add direction.
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- I consider you one of those voices.
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- So 30,000ft view.
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- So we like to start off here sometimes
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- Help help make sense of the swirl.
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- That's going on.
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- The tension that's going on in the movement
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- In the conservative coalition.
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- Yeah.
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- I mean, i think that's the right frame.
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- And frankly, i also, you know, i'm online all the time.
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- I'm on twitter, i have a podcast
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- And you can't help but sort of get embroiled
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- In the sort of soap opera, what's going on online
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- And the the speed at which the news
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- Comes out online and new things come into the discourse,
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- And things that were relevant yesterday
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- Seem to just disappear without a trace.
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- And people have a kind of goldfish brain
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- Where they can't remember what happened five seconds ago.
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- This creates a sort of manic energy,
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- A sort of bipolar energy, almost.
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- You're up one day.
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- It's very exciting thing.
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- There's a lot of enthusiasm.
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- Maybe the administration is making
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- A lot of moves on immigration or there's something happening.
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- Let's say, you know, i remember a week ago, hermie
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- Dylan at the, office of civil rights
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- And the department of justice was making these orders around
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- Disparate impact and, you know, going after employers
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- And institutions that were, trying to,
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- Prevent white men from getting jobs or white men
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- Who had faced, discrimination in the workplace were given
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- This avenue
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- To pursue those claims with the department of justice.
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- This stuff then gets left behind
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- And suddenly we're,
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- You know, now in this frantic mode, trying to follow
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- What's going on in minnesota with the fraud scandal.
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- And then next week it'll be something else,
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- And so on and so forth.
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- And so what i want to say, taking that 30,000ft view
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- Best i can, with the understanding
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- That, you know, even for me, it's often very clouded.
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- Things are actually moving in the right direction.
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- And actually, my speech at, the am fast,
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- I likened our situation to a survival situation,
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- And we are in a shipwreck.
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- And, you know, we are we are cast out at sea.
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- And i don't want to overextend the analogy,
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- But even when you're rowing in the right direction,
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- Sometimes you look up and you're still caught out
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- In the middle of the ocean, and it can feel like nothing
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- Is happening.
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- And that's when the desperate
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- Desperation can start to set in.
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- And people start with the infighting
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- And they want to throw each other overboard.
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- And you know, stabbed the life raft and hope somehow
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- Some miraculous new thing will happen to come save them.
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- And so my my advice to everybody,
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- My suggestion, or at least my disposition,
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- My attitude towards everything that's happening is, look,
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- We are facing the right direction.
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- There's no question that the administration
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- Has its focus on the things that matters to this coalition
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- And to the american people at large.
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- Immigration routes out the liberal
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- Rot out of our institutions affordability.
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- Reframing foreign policy
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- On putting america in america's interests first.
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- And it's going to take a long time.
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- We have to realize
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- To get to the destinations we're trying to get to.
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- But we are headed in the right direction.
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- And while everybody wants it to be faster,
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- Everybody wants more aggressive action.
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- It just is the case that we live in a reality
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- That is constrained by certain kinds of political,
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- Legislative and bureaucratic impediments
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- That ensure things happen
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- At a less than, brisk pace.
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- And i know that's frustrating,
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- But we are moving in the right direction.
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- And we should remember that.
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- Yeah, i think that's well said.
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- And, blake, i want to get you in here.
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- I one thing i will say,
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- And i'll throw it to you, blake, is that,
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- You know, i had a call with mike davis this morning,
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- You know, because you log on to x
- 00:11:40.572 --> 00:11:42.975
- Now, everybody wants tim waltz thrown in prison, right?
- 00:11:42.975 --> 00:11:46.612
- You know, and,
- 00:11:46.612 --> 00:11:48.113
- You know,
- 00:11:48.113 --> 00:11:49.014
- Arresting a sitting governor, even if,
- 00:11:49.014 --> 00:11:50.282
- Even if he deserves it is going to be a heck of a lift.
- 00:11:50.282 --> 00:11:53.051
- People need to understand that legally.
- 00:11:53.051 --> 00:11:55.354
- And we're going to have harmeet dhillon on
- 00:11:55.354 --> 00:11:56.622
- In the second hour of today's show to kind of talk about
- 00:11:56.622 --> 00:11:59.324
- Some of what we could expect coming down
- 00:11:59.324 --> 00:12:01.026
- The pike with the minnesota fraud, situation, by the way,
- 00:12:01.026 --> 00:12:03.996
- There's fraud that's going to be exposed,
- 00:12:03.996 --> 00:12:06.098
- I think, as a result of some of this
- 00:12:06.098 --> 00:12:07.533
- Reporting in ohio, there's going to be more in new york
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- With this home health care, medicaid scandal.
- 00:12:10.335 --> 00:12:13.839
- And, you know, you're going to have other things happening.
- 00:12:13.839 --> 00:12:16.308
- Probably in california as well.
- 00:12:16.308 --> 00:12:18.110
- And but everybody wants accountability there.
- 00:12:19.077 --> 00:12:21.780
- I just want to say
- 00:12:21.780 --> 00:12:22.848
- That there is a lot going on behind the scenes.
- 00:12:22.848 --> 00:12:25.284
- They are not allowed to talk about publicly.
- 00:12:25.284 --> 00:12:27.820
- I've been told this by multiple sources.
- 00:12:27.820 --> 00:12:29.688
- There is a lot going on behind the scenes.
- 00:12:29.688 --> 00:12:32.090
- Subpoenas have been set out
- 00:12:32.090 --> 00:12:33.292
- That have not even been made public yet.
- 00:12:33.292 --> 00:12:35.360
- There is accountability coming.
- 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:36.628
- But to your point, jonathan, i think everybody has this
- 00:12:36.628 --> 00:12:40.299
- Feeling that we are losing western civilization.
- 00:12:40.299 --> 00:12:44.169
- You could, like,
- 00:12:44.169 --> 00:12:44.603
- Feel it
- 00:12:44.603 --> 00:12:45.804
- Slipping through your hands and you want the immigration
- 00:12:45.804 --> 00:12:47.906
- Thing fixed right away.
- 00:12:47.906 --> 00:12:49.842
- You want the fertility thing fixed right away.
- 00:12:49.842 --> 00:12:52.311
- You want the affordability issues fixed right away.
- 00:12:52.311 --> 00:12:55.547
- And it just takes time.
- 00:12:55.547 --> 00:12:56.815
- Blake, i want to throw it to you,
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- To respond to jonathan's take. there.
- 00:12:58.650 --> 00:13:01.553
- Yeah, i think it's it truthfully
- 00:13:02.287 --> 00:13:04.957
- Is it's a it's something where you need to cultivate.
- 00:13:04.957 --> 00:13:08.260
- We need to cultivate good character
- 00:13:08.994 --> 00:13:10.762
- On the part of our movement, actually,
- 00:13:10.762 --> 00:13:12.231
- Because it is a real weakness,
- 00:13:12.231 --> 00:13:13.765
- Unfortunately, that there is this,
- 00:13:13.765 --> 00:13:16.702
- There's an element of sort of emotional incontinence.
- 00:13:16.702 --> 00:13:19.605
- People.
- 00:13:19.605 --> 00:13:21.039
- There's a slight addiction
- 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:22.140
- Where people like to feel like they're being betrayed.
- 00:13:22.140 --> 00:13:24.877
- There's, where people like to feel all, oh,
- 00:13:24.877 --> 00:13:28.213
- The line you'll see, this is, i see this all the time.
- 00:13:28.213 --> 00:13:31.116
- This is happening.
- 00:13:31.550 --> 00:13:32.684
- And republicans do nothing, and it'll be in all caps
- 00:13:32.684 --> 00:13:35.854
- Like that.
- 00:13:35.854 --> 00:13:36.922
- And the truth is, is it's not always
- 00:13:36.922 --> 00:13:40.158
- As fast as you'd like, but it is, in fact, happening.
- 00:13:40.158 --> 00:13:43.962
- We have lawyers in the doj, we have agents at dhs.
- 00:13:43.962 --> 00:13:48.901
- We have people at state department, people in all these
- 00:13:48.901 --> 00:13:52.738
- Different ages, people at treasury.
- 00:13:52.738 --> 00:13:54.206
- And it's a very grinding process.
- 00:13:54.206 --> 00:13:57.042
- And what
- 00:13:57.042 --> 00:13:58.176
- You should do to support that is we should encourage,
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- We should give a lot of air cover to our investigators.
- 00:14:00.712 --> 00:14:03.615
- We should make sure they have the right priorities.
- 00:14:03.615 --> 00:14:05.984
- But you do have to
- 00:14:05.984 --> 00:14:07.152
- Have some willingness to let a process play out.
- 00:14:07.152 --> 00:14:10.789
- And if you want to get involved,
- 00:14:10.789 --> 00:14:12.491
- You can get involved at the local and state level.
- 00:14:12.491 --> 00:14:14.559
- We were we were saying,
- 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:15.894
- Look at what nick
- 00:14:15.894 --> 00:14:16.728
- Surely was able to do for that issue
- 00:14:16.728 --> 00:14:18.030
- By just going and
- 00:14:18.030 --> 00:14:19.164
- Knocking on additional doors to raise higher awareness
- 00:14:19.164 --> 00:14:22.901
- Of what we already knew was already going on.
- 00:14:22.901 --> 00:14:25.070
- And people have had this in there already
- 00:14:25.070 --> 00:14:27.406
- Observing this in columbus, there's i guarantee
- 00:14:27.406 --> 00:14:29.875
- If you live in a medium to large city in the midwest,
- 00:14:29.875 --> 00:14:34.012
- This sort of fraud stuff is happening already.
- 00:14:34.012 --> 00:14:36.949
- And if you want to get involved, get your
- 00:14:36.949 --> 00:14:39.851
- If you're in a red state or a purple state, chances are
- 00:14:39.851 --> 00:14:42.955
- You can actually get
- 00:14:42.955 --> 00:14:44.556
- Pressure on your state
- 00:14:45.023 --> 00:14:46.124
- Lawmakers to investigate this to a higher degree.
- 00:14:46.124 --> 00:14:48.894
- And i guess i would just say i would
- 00:14:48.894 --> 00:14:51.430
- Encourage people to not have a meltdown
- 00:14:51.430 --> 00:14:54.533
- If things are not solved immediately.
- 00:14:54.533 --> 00:14:56.535
- I think there's a tv show bias when you consume
- 00:14:56.535 --> 00:15:00.272
- A lot of politics.
- 00:15:00.272 --> 00:15:01.573
- Let's be frank, as entertainment people get mad
- 00:15:01.573 --> 00:15:05.177
- When their tv show doesn't give them,
- 00:15:05.177 --> 00:15:08.013
- You know,
- 00:15:08.313 --> 00:15:08.880
- The new developments,
- 00:15:08.880 --> 00:15:09.881
- The new twist as quickly as they would like.
- 00:15:09.881 --> 00:15:12.317
- And that's the temptation that has to be resisted.
- 00:15:12.317 --> 00:15:14.319
- And i would note the left is pretty good at this.
- 00:15:14.319 --> 00:15:16.788
- The left is pretty good at the grinding process
- 00:15:16.788 --> 00:15:20.625
- Of politics, of letting their operatives do their thing
- 00:15:20.625 --> 00:15:26.331
- Without everyone constantly screaming at them
- 00:15:26.331 --> 00:15:29.501
- Or firing them because they didn't get the win right away.
- 00:15:29.501 --> 00:15:32.170
- You know,
- 00:15:32.170 --> 00:15:33.372
- One of the things that charlie and i used to talk about a lot
- 00:15:33.372 --> 00:15:35.307
- Was that the the constitution spread out
- 00:15:35.307 --> 00:15:38.377
- Power both geographically and over time.
- 00:15:38.377 --> 00:15:41.480
- It basically takes six years to completely
- 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:44.883
- Redo the form.
- 00:15:45.217 --> 00:15:47.419
- And, the personnel within the government,
- 00:15:47.419 --> 00:15:49.588
- Because, senators are elected every six years.
- 00:15:49.588 --> 00:15:51.556
- So it's intentional. it's intentionally
- 00:15:51.556 --> 00:15:53.592
- Slow and frustrating. we'll be right back.
- 00:15:53.592 --> 00:15:59.731
- That christmas morning.
- 00:16:00.232 --> 00:16:01.833
- Wise men brought gifts from outside the holy land.
- 00:16:01.833 --> 00:16:06.638
- But now that the war is over,
- 00:16:07.272 --> 00:16:10.275
- This holy land and her people
- 00:16:10.275 --> 00:16:12.177
- Are still carrying deep wounded.
- 00:16:12.177 --> 00:16:14.946
- Many of the elderly are alone and suffering
- 00:16:14.946 --> 00:16:18.617
- Like the wise men or wise women.
- 00:16:19.317 --> 00:16:22.554
- When you open your heart and give a special holiday food
- 00:16:22.554 --> 00:16:27.225
- Box to someone here in israel
- 00:16:27.225 --> 00:16:29.928
- This christmas chronicles season.
- 00:16:29.928 --> 00:16:32.998
- People like hannah who can't buy food.
- 00:16:32.998 --> 00:16:37.369
- That's where the fellowship is called to feed the hungry.
- 00:16:37.369 --> 00:16:41.606
- Please call, scan or go online now to help rush emergency
- 00:16:41.606 --> 00:16:45.677
- Food and healing to elderly jews
- 00:16:45.677 --> 00:16:47.779
- And their christian neighbors struggling
- 00:16:47.779 --> 00:16:49.548
- To rebuild their lives from the war.
- 00:16:49.548 --> 00:16:51.716
- What will happen when we make this holy day season?
- 00:16:51.716 --> 00:16:57.122
- Holy indeed.
- 00:16:57.122 --> 00:16:58.990
- Holy indeed.
- 00:16:58.990 --> 00:17:03.565
- Blake kind of left us with this note about.
- 00:17:04.499 --> 00:17:06.401
- This is a big ship.
- 00:17:06.401 --> 00:17:07.469
- It takes a long time to move it,
- 00:17:07.469 --> 00:17:08.970
- But the shift has happened, and i think, you know,
- 00:17:08.970 --> 00:17:12.607
- You're going to see this more and more and more.
- 00:17:12.607 --> 00:17:14.309
- I think people are finally
- 00:17:14.309 --> 00:17:15.610
- Waking up to the immigration thing.
- 00:17:15.610 --> 00:17:17.612
- I think, you know, it was interesting.
- 00:17:17.612 --> 00:17:19.848
- I went on with, ross douthat at the new york times.
- 00:17:19.848 --> 00:17:22.517
- I watched your episode with him, as prep,
- 00:17:22.517 --> 00:17:25.854
- Jonathan and, and, you know, so we were trading notes there,
- 00:17:25.854 --> 00:17:29.390
- But the, you know,
- 00:17:29.390 --> 00:17:30.792
- He kept hitting me on immigration
- 00:17:30.792 --> 00:17:32.760
- And i was like, you don't understand.
- 00:17:32.760 --> 00:17:34.329
- There is a lot pulling this coalition apart.
- 00:17:34.329 --> 00:17:36.698
- I get that there's the israel stuff,
- 00:17:36.698 --> 00:17:38.466
- The foreign policy stuff.
- 00:17:38.466 --> 00:17:39.501
- What one of these issues that is not pulling
- 00:17:39.501 --> 00:17:41.536
- The coalition apart is immigration.
- 00:17:41.536 --> 00:17:43.538
- You mentioned 50 million people. we want them out.
- 00:17:43.538 --> 00:17:46.141
- And i think there is a realization that,
- 00:17:46.141 --> 00:17:49.377
- You know, since the 1960s immigration reforms
- 00:17:49.377 --> 00:17:52.247
- And 1990s, the country has not become better off.
- 00:17:52.247 --> 00:17:54.949
- It's become worse off.
- 00:17:54.949 --> 00:17:56.050
- The social cohesion has been thrown out of balance.
- 00:17:56.050 --> 00:17:58.520
- The social services have been thrown out of balance.
- 00:17:58.520 --> 00:18:01.556
- And now you get whole cities that are taken over by somalis
- 00:18:01.556 --> 00:18:04.526
- And we don't like it.
- 00:18:04.526 --> 00:18:05.827
- People don't like this
- 00:18:05.827 --> 00:18:07.028
- New reality that we're living in.
- 00:18:07.028 --> 00:18:08.897
- They want they want to go back to,
- 00:18:08.897 --> 00:18:10.498
- An america that they recognize.
- 00:18:10.498 --> 00:18:12.066
- I think that that is a winning issue across the board.
- 00:18:12.066 --> 00:18:15.403
- The question is,
- 00:18:15.403 --> 00:18:16.504
- How do you keep the nihilism and the doom prism on
- 00:18:16.504 --> 00:18:19.641
- Our own side at bay?
- 00:18:19.641 --> 00:18:21.676
- To long enough to,
- 00:18:22.110 --> 00:18:23.311
- To to say, hey, in 2026, we need to win the midterms.
- 00:18:23.311 --> 00:18:26.214
- We need to win the midterms.
- 00:18:26.214 --> 00:18:27.815
- How do you do that?
- 00:18:27.815 --> 00:18:29.417
- And what's your message
- 00:18:29.417 --> 00:18:30.585
- To politicians that we need to cooperate with the.
- 00:18:30.585 --> 00:18:34.322
- Yeah, i mean, look, it's tough, and if i had the answer,
- 00:18:34.322 --> 00:18:36.991
- I wouldn't be sitting here.
- 00:18:36.991 --> 00:18:37.859
- I'd probably be sitting somewhere else.
- 00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:39.360
- But i think, people just need to be realistic
- 00:18:39.360 --> 00:18:43.097
- About what's possible under given time frames.
- 00:18:43.097 --> 00:18:45.833
- And on my podcast with chris rufo,
- 00:18:45.833 --> 00:18:49.037
- We had on mark
- 00:18:49.037 --> 00:18:50.205
- Krikorian, head of the center for immigration studies,
- 00:18:50.205 --> 00:18:53.875
- And he made the case, look,
- 00:18:53.875 --> 00:18:55.109
- This is not something
- 00:18:55.109 --> 00:18:56.144
- That gets done in one year or two years.
- 00:18:56.144 --> 00:18:59.080
- Five years.
- 00:18:59.080 --> 00:18:59.747
- This is a ten year project.
- 00:18:59.747 --> 00:19:01.816
- It is the case that we just don't have the personnel
- 00:19:01.816 --> 00:19:05.753
- To just extract that many people
- 00:19:05.753 --> 00:19:07.822
- From the country and move them out.
- 00:19:07.822 --> 00:19:09.657
- By the way, that wouldn't work anyway.
- 00:19:09.657 --> 00:19:11.926
- I think we have to be mindful
- 00:19:11.926 --> 00:19:13.895
- Of the fact that while most people agree
- 00:19:13.895 --> 00:19:17.232
- That the immigration situation has got out of control,
- 00:19:17.232 --> 00:19:20.401
- They don't like to see situations where there are
- 00:19:20.401 --> 00:19:24.105
- Crying mothers and fathers being separated from children
- 00:19:24.105 --> 00:19:27.075
- And so on and so forth, and we can sort of scoff at
- 00:19:27.075 --> 00:19:29.844
- That all we want and laugh at the kind of,
- 00:19:29.844 --> 00:19:33.514
- Emotional immaturity of liberals
- 00:19:33.514 --> 00:19:37.352
- And their unwillingness to deal with reality, etc.
- 00:19:37.352 --> 00:19:40.088
- But that is where americans are,
- 00:19:40.088 --> 00:19:41.990
- And we have to be realistic about the fact
- 00:19:41.990 --> 00:19:44.092
- That this is going to be done, have to be done delicately.
- 00:19:44.092 --> 00:19:47.462
- We have to avoid the trap.
- 00:19:47.462 --> 00:19:49.497
- At the same time,
- 00:19:49.497 --> 00:19:50.465
- We are acting sympathetically, which we should.
- 00:19:50.465 --> 00:19:53.301
- At the same time,
- 00:19:53.301 --> 00:19:54.369
- We have to avoid the trap of being, stopped
- 00:19:54.369 --> 00:19:57.605
- By accusations of racism that is going to come.
- 00:19:57.605 --> 00:20:01.442
- We have to understand
- 00:20:01.442 --> 00:20:02.710
- And be confident in our convictions
- 00:20:02.710 --> 00:20:04.846
- That this is the right thing to do,
- 00:20:04.846 --> 00:20:06.281
- And know that we're not doing this out of some misplaced
- 00:20:06.281 --> 00:20:09.984
- Animus toward people, merely by the fact of their skin color.
- 00:20:09.984 --> 00:20:13.855
- Anything else?
- 00:20:13.855 --> 00:20:15.089
- This is about preserving america for americans.
- 00:20:15.089 --> 00:20:19.294
- There is nothing immoral about that.
- 00:20:19.294 --> 00:20:21.929
- In fact, it is a moral obligation to do that.
- 00:20:21.929 --> 00:20:26.301
- And so we have to remember these things.
- 00:20:26.301 --> 00:20:28.336
- We have to support politicians who want to act
- 00:20:28.336 --> 00:20:31.306
- Aggressively, towards these actions.
- 00:20:31.306 --> 00:20:34.442
- And we have to
- 00:20:34.442 --> 00:20:35.643
- Put a lot of pressure on people who don't want to do this.
- 00:20:35.643 --> 00:20:38.680
- People like, like you mentioned rand
- 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:41.215
- Paul massey, whoever else, whatever other good things
- 00:20:41.215 --> 00:20:44.218
- They might be doing.
- 00:20:44.218 --> 00:20:45.486
- Immigration is the number one priority, and our legislators
- 00:20:45.486 --> 00:20:48.423
- Have to be reminded of that every single day.
- 00:20:48.423 --> 00:20:50.525
- What i said earlier, you know, i spoke with mike davis.
- 00:20:50.525 --> 00:20:53.428
- There is a lot going on.
- 00:20:53.428 --> 00:20:54.929
- I've spoke with a couple other sources that i can't name.
- 00:20:54.929 --> 00:20:57.832
- There's things happening behind the scenes right now
- 00:20:57.832 --> 00:21:00.601
- That are truly important that will,
- 00:21:00.601 --> 00:21:03.037
- I think, bear a lot of fruit, not to mention economically,
- 00:21:03.037 --> 00:21:06.074
- The one big beautiful bill had economic aspects to it,
- 00:21:06.074 --> 00:21:09.310
- But it also had immigration
- 00:21:09.310 --> 00:21:10.511
- Aspects that are not going to be fully,
- 00:21:10.511 --> 00:21:12.246
- Realized until 2026 with this large immigration force.
- 00:21:12.246 --> 00:21:16.217
- And if you want to throw that video back up,
- 00:21:16.217 --> 00:21:18.152
- This is what's happening in somalia right now.
- 00:21:18.152 --> 00:21:20.421
- Hsbc is investigating,
- 00:21:20.421 --> 00:21:22.323
- This is a homeland security investigation.
- 00:21:22.323 --> 00:21:25.126
- This is brand new breaking video.
- 00:21:25.126 --> 00:21:26.961
- They are on the on the streets in minneapolis right now.
- 00:21:26.961 --> 00:21:30.231
- So this is a video that was just released.
- 00:21:30.231 --> 00:21:32.667
- So things are happening.
- 00:21:32.667 --> 00:21:34.102
- Just imagine the alternative
- 00:21:34.102 --> 00:21:35.370
- Wealth confiscation, the destruction of
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- Of growth and productivity and, innovation.
- 00:21:38.106 --> 00:21:41.943
- So we need to get immigration fixed.
- 00:21:41.943 --> 00:21:44.445
- We don't have we don't have the right
- 00:21:44.445 --> 00:21:45.980
- Guys in place right now.
- 00:21:45.980 --> 00:21:46.948
- Actually to do to do it the right way.
- 00:21:46.948 --> 00:21:49.250
- So we got to get creative.
- 00:21:49.250 --> 00:21:50.918
- We got to,
- 00:21:50.918 --> 00:21:51.786
- You know, lean into what stephen miller
- 00:21:51.786 --> 00:21:53.588
- And the administration is doing.
- 00:21:53.588 --> 00:21:55.323
- We've got allies at the very top of, of power
- 00:21:55.323 --> 00:21:58.626
- Right now that are doing the right thing,
- 00:21:58.626 --> 00:22:00.161
- And they're making the right move.
- 00:22:00.161 --> 00:22:01.162
- So we gotta we gotta have that, perspective.
- 00:22:01.162 --> 00:22:03.898
- Jonathan cooperman, thank you for making the time.
- 00:22:03.898 --> 00:22:06.434
- Your voice, i believe, is more important than ever.
- 00:22:06.434 --> 00:22:09.237
- Charlie saw that in you.
- 00:22:09.237 --> 00:22:10.505
- We see it in you.
- 00:22:10.505 --> 00:22:11.572
- And, you know, there's a number,
- 00:22:11.572 --> 00:22:13.541
- A number of voices that are being called
- 00:22:13.541 --> 00:22:15.042
- To the front lines, into leadership
- 00:22:15.042 --> 00:22:17.078
- Positions, getting promotions, if you will.
- 00:22:17.078 --> 00:22:19.347
- And you're one of those.
- 00:22:19.347 --> 00:22:20.515
- Right now. so thank you, jonathan. god bless you, man.
- 00:22:20.515 --> 00:22:22.650
- We'll, we'll we'll talk with you soon.
- 00:22:22.650 --> 00:22:24.118
- I'll harass you to come back on the show before you want to.
- 00:22:24.118 --> 00:22:26.487
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 00:22:26.487 --> 00:22:27.622
- Yeah. rest assured.
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- Well, i'll see you guys soon. thanks for everything.
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- And happy holidays and happy new year. happy new year.
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- All right,
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- As this year draws to an end,
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- I'd like to express my
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- Heartfelt gratitude to our partners, the fellowship
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- Of christians and jews.
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- And i'd like to say thank you to our audience
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- Who have supported them in prayer, with finances
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- And standing strong for the people of israel.
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- The fellowship is one of america's
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- Most beloved
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- Organizations, spanning more than 40 years of ministry,
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- Providing tangible help
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- And comfort to the people of israel
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- In the ukraine and across the former soviet union.
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- This holiday season and every day of the year,
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- The fellowship is called to serve
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- The elderly jewish people,
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- Many of whom are holocaust survivors who are now
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- Living in the shadow of past wars, poverty and loneliness.
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- During this christmas time, join me and fulfill
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- The prophet isaiah as cry to comfort.
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- Comfort my people, says your god.
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- To find out how. visit ifg.
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- Org. that's if c.j. dawg.
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