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Charlie Kirk Today | Josh Hammer: November 24, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | November 24, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- Andrew calvert here, executive producer of this fine
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- Show, joined by mikey mccoy in the studio.
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- Blake neff, also in the studio.
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- We may or may not have pastor andrews here.
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- In spirit.
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- Coming up soon.
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- We got a lot to get to today.
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- We are talking about the creeping islamization
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- Of the west or islam ification.
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- It's debatable which.
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- It's islamization, islam, islamization, islamization
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- Of the west.
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- And it's key today because we have, of course,
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- Zoran mamdani,
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- Arguably the most powerful muslim
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- In america, meeting president trump at the white house
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- Is this significant or is it not
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- Significant, blake, that we have a muslim,
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- Communist, socialist,
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- Whatever you want to call him visiting the white house?
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- I mean, we've
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- Mentioned the islamic thing, but mostly with mamdani.
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- Mamdani is clearly not a devout muslim in any meaningful way.
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- He, like, just identifies with islam to say,
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- I'm not american, i'm not western.
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- I follow this alien faith that is historically
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- Anti west, anti-western civilization,
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- Which i condemn all the time and want to rip it out.
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- That's the only way he's muslim in a meaningful sense.
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- Now, if you want to see real islamic government,
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- Go to the uk or are you straight up
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- Have, you know, allahu akbar?
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- Guys who are running for office where gaza is their number
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- One issue?
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- Yeah. you know, it's really bad.
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- You go walk around birmingham where
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- The industrial revolution began.
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- That was the silicon valley of the 19th century,
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- And it's now tons of radical mosques, imams
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- Who say we need sharia, people just milling about like it
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- Basically looks like it's baghdad.
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- Well, i do think this is still a step
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- In that direction, though, even if he isn't as radical
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- As some of these are, like, oh, for sure, for sure.
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- And, yeah,
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- But blake, you're right, there's actually someone
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- Literally ran in manchester under the party
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- Umbrella of palestine.
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- Yeah, if the mayor makes noises about wanting to play ball
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- With him.
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- I feel like trump could be won over.
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- Surprisingly easily.
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- But it could also be that mayor mamdani sees
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- This as an opportunity to do a big stunt.
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- He can get a story about how he had a throwdown argument
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- With trump in the oval office or wherever they're meeting,
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- And get a lot of attention that way, i feel,
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- Yeah, either person could be going
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- Into that meeting with an agenda.
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- Maybe both of them are.
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- And yeah, we'll find out what that agenda.
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- Well it's yeah.
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- For ad clip.
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- Yeah.
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- Exactly 380 is over on changes his tune on trump.
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- Play it.
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- My administration would be donald trump's worst nightmare.
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- I have many disagreements with the president,
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- And i believe that we should be relentless
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- And pursue all avenues and all meetings
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- That could make our city affordable
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- For every single new yorker.
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- I intend to make it clear to president trump
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- That i will work with him on any agenda that benefits
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- New yorkers.
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- It's always it's always fun to watch
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- People change their tactics is great.
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- And then
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- But by the way, this is, you know,
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- Which i again, i can't stop thinking
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- About helen andrews interview, which again,
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- I encourage everybody to go check it out.
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- The great feminization.
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- But this is typical like dude behavior.
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- Guys tend to like they, they say brutal.
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- They say big things,
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- And then they're like, hey, let's hang out.
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- Let's hear president trump 392 talking about the tone
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- That he expects within the white
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- Well, i was hitting him a little hard to hold off.
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- So i don't know exactly what he means
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- By turning the volume up, because turn the volume up.
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- He has to be careful what he says that to me.
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- I mean, he was very nice in calling, as you know.
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- And now
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- We're going to have a meeting, i guess we meet at 3:00 today,
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- And i think it's going to be quite civil.
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- We'll find out.
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- You know, mamdani, when we've said this,
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- We've conceded this point that he's a
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- Talented politician in the sense
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- That even his acceptance speech, where he was like,
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- Turn the volume up, president, a lot of them,
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- A lot of sociopaths are good up. yeah.
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- Well, no. exactly.
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- And so, you know, he's smiling his way in.
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- But this is great.
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- Is that when he gets challenged on things, he ends up
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- Really revealing that there's not a whole lot there.
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- The emperor has no clothes.
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- 378 how are you getting that money?
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- The 700 million to make the busses free into the mta?
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- If she's not for raising taxes?
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- You know,
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- I think that the two clearest ways
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- To raise that money is through the raising
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- Of the state's corporate tax to match.
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- But she said no,
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- I think that a lot of this is still a case to be made,
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- Whether it's the corporate tax or the personal income tax
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- On those who make more than $1 million a year or more.
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- I think that these are the clearest ways.
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- I've also said that
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- If there are other ways to raise this funding,
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- The most important fact is that we fund it,
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- Not the question of how we do it, but that we do it.
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- So we don't have the money.
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- The thing that i said we are going to do to fund
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- The free busses and the free stuff, socialism,
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- The free stuff, populism, we can't do it, but it's fine.
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- We're going to figure it out.
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- Like there's, you know, that's fair enough.
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- We'll see.
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- But that's actually i think that's okay.
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- Like, we shouldn't be too scared
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- Because like, well, look, i just think to the biden
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- Administration, literally as soon as he got elected,
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- Turning point on an audit like immediately and like he
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- They went straight after the sixers,
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- They went straight after
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- And they were following up on all these.
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- They went after tyler above and beyond.
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- They went after tyler.
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- They went after our team.
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- And so they spied on us.
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- They spied on us.
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- Turning point was involved
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- Unknowingly in arctic frost, which was they were spying on
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- This organization.
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- Our own government spied, spied on turning point.
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- Yeah.
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- So i'll just say i'll take this version of mamdani.
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- There's a lot of saber rattling,
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- But on top of that, i just it shows how unserious of a person
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- He is in a very serious city in the united states of america,
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- Where it's
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- Just like a lot of noise, but not a lot of substance.
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- Well, but here's the thing, i, i really believe that
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- If there was not a president trump in the white house,
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- If we did not have control of congress,
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- Both the house and the senate,
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- That these people would be unleashed to become
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- Their worst versions of themselves
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- And the tyranny would spread rapidly.
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- So what you're seeing is
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- You're seeing the rumblings of a beginning,
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- And that will take full bloom if allowed.
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- And i think that's
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- Why we talked about why dearborn is important,
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- What happened yesterday is it was a it's a precursor
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- Of this sectarian civil strife that,
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- You know, eventually will and could erupt
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- Into actual violence in the streets
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- Between christians and muslims if this is allowed to fester.
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- And i and in my case and point historically, is lebanon.
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- Lebanon used to be basically 100% christian.
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- It was controlled by the french.
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- Like, you're going to know the history better than i, but
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- But then they sort of cast off their colonial powers.
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- And now lebanon is lebanon, 18 to 30% been on was created
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- To be the christian country in the middle east.
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- It is no longer a christian country.
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- We don't know the percentage because
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- It's too politically loaded what their demographics are.
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- So nobody ever can conduct a census.
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- Yeah, it's estimated at about 30% christian.
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- So they always will say
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- That it's probably lower, to be honest,
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- Because the christians are wealthier.
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- And they got out of dodge because there was a civil war.
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- Shocker.
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- Because when your country becomes more islamic,
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- It becomes a violent dump.
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- Well, and that's essentially
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- What we all have to sort of brace for
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- And why why we are warning about the islamic state.
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- It's really remarkable.
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- I can refer, but like we just had saudi arabia
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- Visit dc and everything is going on in
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- The gulf states is they are rapidly becoming less islamist
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- By offloading all of their radicals into the west.
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- It's really glaring.
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- We'll be right back in just a few minutes.
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- In genesis
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- 12 three, god made a powerful promise
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- To abraham, the father of the jewish people.
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- I will bless those who bless you.
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- The christian bible tells us
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- That we have been grafted into god's family tree.
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- The rich olive tree of israel,
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- The very foundations of the christian faith,
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- The bible and jesus, whom christians call
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- The messiah, are deeply rooted in israel.
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- Supporting israel aligns christians with god's
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- Prophetic timeline.
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- It demonstrates our willingness to be instruments of
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- God's blessing, uplifting his chosen people,
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- And it calls us to confront and heal
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- The centuries old wounds of anti-semitism.
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- The scripture says how good and how
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- Pleasant it is when brethren dwell together.
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- You can be part of this historic movement
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- Of bringing light to our world.
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- Learn more by going to ifc.
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- J.org today.
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- J.org today.
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- Right, walk us through this state
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- Department tweet because it is, in a word, based.
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- Yeah.
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- No, no, that's just, so it's just a thread.
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- I'll just read the whole thing.
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- Yeah.
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- Stage nine mass migration poses an existential threat
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- To western civilization and undermines
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- The stability of key american allies
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- Today, the state department instructed u.s.
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- Embassies to report on the human rights
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- Implications and public safety impacts of mass migration.
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- Mass migration is a human rights concern.
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- Western nations have endured crime waves, terror attacks,
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- Sexual assaults, and displacement of communities.
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- U.s. officials will urge governments
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- To take bold action and defend citizens against the threats
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- Posed by mass migration officials.
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- Well, i'm just going to skip ahead to one.
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- They cite some examples.
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- In the united kingdom,
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- Thousands of girls have been victimized
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- In rotherham, oxford and newcastle
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- By grooming gangs involving migrant men.
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- Many girls were left to suffer
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- Unspeakable abuse for years before authorities stepped in
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- In sweden, an eritrean migrant convicted of raping a 16 year
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- Old girl was allowed to remain in the country
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- After a judge ruled that the incident
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- Was not a, quote, exceptionally, exceptionally
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- Serious crime and did not warrant deportation.
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- In germany, nine men, several of the migrants
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- Were convicted for the gang rape of a 15 year old,
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- A german woman who insulted one of the rapists
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- Online was given a harsher sentence
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- Than the perpetrators themselves.
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- U.s. officials will now scrutinize policies
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- In western nations
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- That give leniency to migrant crime and human rights abuses,
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- Or that create two tiered systems
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- That prioritize migrants at the expense
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- Of their own citizens.
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- The us supports the sovereignty of our allies,
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- And calls on governments to engage with the growing
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- Number of citizens concerned about mass migration.
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- We stand ready to assist our allies
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- In solving the global crisis of migration.
- 00:10:44.534 --> 00:10:46.937
- Wow. yes, that was like.
- 00:10:46.937 --> 00:10:48.772
- I am pretty sure i haven't confirmed.
- 00:10:48.772 --> 00:10:50.574
- I'm pretty sure our friend sarah rogers was involved
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- In making that policy, but she hasn't confirmed.
- 00:10:53.143 --> 00:10:55.746
- We cannot confirm that.
- 00:10:55.746 --> 00:10:57.047
- I know this is close to her heart as it is close to mine.
- 00:10:57.047 --> 00:10:59.649
- It sounds like something she and charlie talked about.
- 00:10:59.649 --> 00:11:02.252
- You should find that.
- 00:11:02.252 --> 00:11:03.019
- That meme, the light switch meme.
- 00:11:03.019 --> 00:11:04.721
- Because it really is. if you want to know what.
- 00:11:04.721 --> 00:11:07.357
- And listen. i'm not scapegoating.
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- There are good immigrants,
- 00:11:09.226 --> 00:11:10.494
- I get it, and some of them are very
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- Patriotic and we're lucky to have them.
- 00:11:12.562 --> 00:11:14.731
- However, a policy of mass migration.
- 00:11:14.731 --> 00:11:17.467
- One of the things that really bothers me is this.
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- This,
- 00:11:20.003 --> 00:11:21.204
- What it's mentioned in this tweet about the displacement
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- Of communities.
- 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:24.608
- I was just on a phone call with a friend last night
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- Who lives in dallas,
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- And he said that his parents live in a neighborhood
- 00:11:28.145 --> 00:11:30.680
- Next to him.
- 00:11:30.680 --> 00:11:31.548
- And it used to be this neighborhood
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- With halloween, trick
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- Or treating that
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- All the kids would go out and christmas lights
- 00:11:35.252 --> 00:11:36.586
- And they would have block parties.
- 00:11:36.586 --> 00:11:38.188
- And now he said, it's basically all indians that all the
- 00:11:38.188 --> 00:11:41.525
- The former residents of that neighborhood
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- Have been displaced, moved out.
- 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.062
- The the way that they interact
- 00:11:46.062 --> 00:11:48.165
- With their neighbors is really, like, uncomfortable.
- 00:11:48.165 --> 00:11:50.767
- There's a lot of glaring that goes on with the women.
- 00:11:50.767 --> 00:11:53.403
- I'm not saying that it's all of them, but this this,
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- This is a report from a friend that's the inc.
- 00:11:55.405 --> 00:11:57.674
- And by the way, you go to the malls there
- 00:11:57.674 --> 00:11:59.643
- And it's basically all indians.
- 00:11:59.643 --> 00:12:00.944
- Now, this is a neighborhood in dallas, texas, red texas.
- 00:12:00.944 --> 00:12:04.281
- And most of that is coming from h1, bs.
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- It's coming from legal
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- Immigrations coming from, family reunification policies.
- 00:12:07.684 --> 00:12:11.388
- And, and and that that displacement
- 00:12:11.388 --> 00:12:14.357
- Used to be a liberal value that they would bemoan in long
- 00:12:14.357 --> 00:12:17.727
- Thought pieces in the atlantic and the new yorker
- 00:12:17.727 --> 00:12:20.330
- When it would come to inner city gentrification
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- During the early 2000,
- 00:12:23.466 --> 00:12:24.634
- They would talk about the displacement
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- In san francisco, in brooklyn and these types of places.
- 00:12:25.836 --> 00:12:28.405
- And they would
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- They would write sympathetically
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- About those communities that get displaced.
- 00:12:30.640 --> 00:12:32.175
- Well, now, with mass migration, it's americans
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- That are getting displaced from their own communities.
- 00:12:34.711 --> 00:12:36.646
- It's americans of all stripes, of all colors,
- 00:12:36.646 --> 00:12:38.882
- Of all backgrounds, all economic levels.
- 00:12:38.882 --> 00:12:41.518
- And there's not a drop of sympathy from the left.
- 00:12:41.518 --> 00:12:43.820
- That's so. well, i thought it was.
- 00:12:43.820 --> 00:12:45.689
- And yeah, it's just well,
- 00:12:45.689 --> 00:12:46.656
- So hopefully this is paving the way
- 00:12:46.656 --> 00:12:47.858
- I think what might be setting up, it'd be very interesting
- 00:12:47.858 --> 00:12:50.527
- If the u.s., for example, gave asylum to people
- 00:12:50.527 --> 00:12:54.297
- Who basically are persecuted for free speech reasons
- 00:12:54.297 --> 00:12:56.600
- For saying, i don't a country to become an islamist hellhole,
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- But you could do other stuff.
- 00:13:00.470 --> 00:13:01.471
- It'd be interesting
- 00:13:01.471 --> 00:13:02.606
- If we because you could also set up to say, oh, well,
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- The us, we have these mechanisms
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- For carrying about human rights abroad,
- 00:13:05.976 --> 00:13:08.245
- So we're going to sanction a judge who issues something
- 00:13:08.245 --> 00:13:10.714
- That indicates a two tier
- 00:13:10.714 --> 00:13:11.815
- Justice ruling in the uk or in germany.
- 00:13:11.815 --> 00:13:14.651
- There's a lot of interesting things
- 00:13:14.651 --> 00:13:16.219
- We could do to just start
- 00:13:16.219 --> 00:13:18.154
- Throwing our weight around a bit and saying, actually,
- 00:13:18.154 --> 00:13:20.757
- It does matter a lot that all of our supposed
- 00:13:20.757 --> 00:13:23.126
- Nato allies, our closest
- 00:13:23.126 --> 00:13:24.427
- Allies, are becoming places where they're replacing
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- Their own populations.
- 00:13:27.497 --> 00:13:28.565
- They're making it illegal to complain about it.
- 00:13:28.565 --> 00:13:30.433
- They're treating white people
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- As inherent oppressors who should be punished
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- More severely by the judicial system.
- 00:13:34.504 --> 00:13:36.273
- They're not enforcing the law against migrants.
- 00:13:36.273 --> 00:13:38.675
- They're letting sharia courts take over their biggest cities.
- 00:13:38.675 --> 00:13:41.111
- We see us.
- 00:13:41.111 --> 00:13:42.178
- We see a form of this in the united states, too,
- 00:13:42.178 --> 00:13:43.813
- Where criminals, if you happen to be of a
- 00:13:43.813 --> 00:13:46.116
- What a quote unquote marginalized class
- 00:13:46.116 --> 00:13:48.852
- Are allowed to terrorize communities with impunity.
- 00:13:48.852 --> 00:13:51.688
- You saw this in chicago this week
- 00:13:51.688 --> 00:13:53.256
- Where maybe get me the facts on this, this case.
- 00:13:53.256 --> 00:13:55.659
- But basically, this
- 00:13:55.659 --> 00:13:56.960
- Gentleman had been arrested what were like 40 priors.
- 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.330
- And then he sets a woman on fire on endless.
- 00:14:00.330 --> 00:14:03.433
- Yeah. and it really is.
- 00:14:03.433 --> 00:14:05.268
- Throw it up now.
- 00:14:05.268 --> 00:14:06.202
- I think it's the new whatever it is the fix
- 00:14:06.202 --> 00:14:07.837
- Everything switch.
- 00:14:07.837 --> 00:14:08.738
- It is so, so many of these things are
- 00:14:08.738 --> 00:14:10.407
- So basically fixable.
- 00:14:10.407 --> 00:14:11.574
- It's enforce the law in cities and it's
- 00:14:11.574 --> 00:14:16.146
- Stop importing 18 billion people.
- 00:14:16.146 --> 00:14:18.915
- It's the fix everything easily switch.
- 00:14:18.915 --> 00:14:21.718
- And everyone's like well no we've never
- 00:14:21.718 --> 00:14:23.687
- We've never pressed that switch before.
- 00:14:23.687 --> 00:14:25.422
- It can't be that simple.
- 00:14:25.422 --> 00:14:26.756
- But it is. here's my thing.
- 00:14:26.756 --> 00:14:28.591
- It's great that the state department is doing this.
- 00:14:28.591 --> 00:14:30.627
- It's unfortunate that we still have
- 00:14:30.627 --> 00:14:32.095
- Mass migration to the united states.
- 00:14:32.095 --> 00:14:33.530
- That's the sad fact.
- 00:14:33.530 --> 00:14:34.631
- Josh hammer on what is an american joins us next.
- 00:14:34.631 --> 00:14:42.072
- Where are
- 00:14:42.372 --> 00:14:43.640
- The tears from the pain.
- 00:14:43.640 --> 00:14:45.976
- The life that she lived.
- 00:14:45.976 --> 00:14:48.111
- She's a survivor of auschwitz.
- 00:14:48.111 --> 00:14:51.548
- The years that they would just beat her ears.
- 00:14:51.548 --> 00:14:54.317
- That she didn't have food and felt hungry.
- 00:14:54.317 --> 00:14:57.620
- And our answer is love.
- 00:14:58.121 --> 00:15:01.358
- Before, with a gift of only $25.
- 00:15:01.358 --> 00:15:04.561
- You'll deliver a life saving food box into the hands
- 00:15:04.561 --> 00:15:07.731
- Of an elderly jew in need.
- 00:15:07.731 --> 00:15:10.467
- I wasn't only saying people have a heart.
- 00:15:10.467 --> 00:15:13.470
- There are good people today.
- 00:15:13.470 --> 00:15:15.271
- Call, scan or go online now.
- 00:15:15.271 --> 00:15:18.041
- And the international
- 00:15:18.041 --> 00:15:19.175
- Fellowship of christians
- 00:15:19.175 --> 00:15:20.443
- And jews will rush your food box today saudi arabia.
- 00:15:20.443 --> 00:15:24.314
- This is a holy moment.
- 00:15:24.314 --> 00:15:26.082
- What you're doing is not simply being kind.
- 00:15:26.082 --> 00:15:29.486
- You are prophetically stepping into the scriptures
- 00:15:29.486 --> 00:15:33.323
- And being part of their redemption and our own.
- 00:15:33.323 --> 00:15:36.826
- Please call, scan or go online now.
- 00:15:36.826 --> 00:15:40.009
- Please call, scan or go online now.
- 00:15:40.009 --> 00:15:46.605
- All right.
- 00:15:46.905 --> 00:15:47.873
- Joining us now is josh hammer, senior editor
- 00:15:47.873 --> 00:15:50.776
- At large, newsweek, host of the josh hammer show.
- 00:15:50.776 --> 00:15:53.145
- And he has a new piece out this morning
- 00:15:53.145 --> 00:15:54.880
- That is fascinating and near and dear to charlie's heart.
- 00:15:54.880 --> 00:15:57.816
- And that is a question that he spent a lot of time
- 00:15:57.816 --> 00:15:59.918
- Thinking about and talking about in his final days.
- 00:15:59.918 --> 00:16:02.054
- What is an american josh hammer,
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- Welcome to the charlie kirk show.
- 00:16:03.688 --> 00:16:06.191
- Well, andrew, i'll do the best i can.
- 00:16:06.191 --> 00:16:07.793
- I'm not sure that i have a
- 00:16:07.793 --> 00:16:09.194
- An elevator pitch kind of ten second answer to that question,
- 00:16:09.194 --> 00:16:12.130
- But i will i will do the best i can.
- 00:16:12.130 --> 00:16:14.066
- Let me take a step back and say that
- 00:16:14.066 --> 00:16:15.434
- This whole debate kind of reminds me of
- 00:16:15.434 --> 00:16:18.136
- Of this piece that i read from a university
- 00:16:18.136 --> 00:16:20.439
- Of virginia political science professor
- 00:16:20.439 --> 00:16:22.174
- Named james caesar many, many years ago.
- 00:16:22.174 --> 00:16:24.009
- He was talking about
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- Because, you know, andrew,
- 00:16:25.477 --> 00:16:26.411
- As you know
- 00:16:26.411 --> 00:16:27.079
- From my previous appearances
- 00:16:27.079 --> 00:16:28.080
- Here, i'm also a lawyer. so i think a lot about
- 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:29.381
- Separation of powers constitution.
- 00:16:29.381 --> 00:16:31.450
- And professor caesar has this notion where he contrasts
- 00:16:31.450 --> 00:16:35.220
- A literal violation
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- Of the separation of powers in a black letter.
- 00:16:36.855 --> 00:16:39.624
- Article one, article two, article
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- Three of the constitution sense versus kind of a more politic
- 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.263
- Violation of the separation of powers.
- 00:16:45.263 --> 00:16:46.998
- So his point was
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- That you could even, if not technically, violating
- 00:16:48.100 --> 00:16:50.602
- The separation of powers under the supreme court,
- 00:16:50.602 --> 00:16:52.304
- Precedents or not, there you could spiritually violate
- 00:16:52.304 --> 00:16:56.074
- The overarching tenor of our separation of powers.
- 00:16:56.074 --> 00:16:59.744
- That is ultimately our number one
- 00:16:59.744 --> 00:17:01.580
- Safeguard for liberty in this country.
- 00:17:01.580 --> 00:17:03.115
- So that's kind of the analogy that i take to this.
- 00:17:03.115 --> 00:17:06.218
- What is an american question,
- 00:17:06.218 --> 00:17:07.619
- Which i wrote about today and was really kind of prompted
- 00:17:07.619 --> 00:17:09.421
- By donny coming to visit donald trump.
- 00:17:09.421 --> 00:17:11.756
- Is he an american?
- 00:17:11.756 --> 00:17:13.325
- All these folks who are in dearborn, michigan,
- 00:17:13.325 --> 00:17:15.827
- Who are chanting allahu akbar, get to america.
- 00:17:15.827 --> 00:17:18.130
- Is this what it means to be an american? right?
- 00:17:18.130 --> 00:17:19.931
- I mean, all sorts of just crazy, crazy stuff.
- 00:17:19.931 --> 00:17:21.967
- And the most recent allegations of the fraud in minnesota
- 00:17:21.967 --> 00:17:24.903
- When it comes to the minnesota taxpayers
- 00:17:24.903 --> 00:17:26.938
- Being the number one subsidies are of al shabab,
- 00:17:26.938 --> 00:17:29.908
- The formerly al al-qaeda offshoot, now independent
- 00:17:29.908 --> 00:17:32.844
- Sunni islamic terrorist organization in somalia.
- 00:17:32.844 --> 00:17:35.747
- All this stuff, i think, really raises
- 00:17:35.747 --> 00:17:37.149
- This question that indeed charlie
- 00:17:37.149 --> 00:17:38.717
- Was thinking a lot, a lot about in those final months.
- 00:17:38.717 --> 00:17:41.286
- You really do have to publicly a culture
- 00:17:41.286 --> 00:17:43.822
- Yourself and publicly assimilate
- 00:17:43.822 --> 00:17:45.524
- Into the protestant
- 00:17:45.524 --> 00:17:46.525
- Majority inherited a culture that goes back
- 00:17:46.525 --> 00:17:48.326
- Hundreds of years well before the american founding.
- 00:17:48.326 --> 00:17:50.162
- Frankly, into, into into british culture.
- 00:17:50.162 --> 00:17:52.564
- So that's kind of how i think about it, andrew.
- 00:17:52.564 --> 00:17:54.933
- And when i see things like, like michigan,
- 00:17:54.933 --> 00:17:57.202
- What i definitely do not see, is acculturated
- 00:17:57.202 --> 00:18:00.205
- American ism, but, you know, look, me
- 00:18:00.205 --> 00:18:01.740
- Personally, i can be i can be an observant
- 00:18:01.740 --> 00:18:03.542
- Jew in my private life, which which i am.
- 00:18:03.542 --> 00:18:05.911
- And praise be to god, for i am very happy with that.
- 00:18:05.911 --> 00:18:08.613
- But i am a very fully public facing american
- 00:18:08.613 --> 00:18:12.250
- Because i fully participate
- 00:18:12.250 --> 00:18:13.285
- In this country's civic institutions.
- 00:18:13.285 --> 00:18:15.053
- I am engaged
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- In the act of trying
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- To preserve and conserve our inherited traditions
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- From one generation to the next,
- 00:18:18.623 --> 00:18:20.125
- And i am deeply thankful, indeed grateful
- 00:18:20.125 --> 00:18:23.562
- For this country's long standing protestant traditions,
- 00:18:23.562 --> 00:18:26.731
- With which really
- 00:18:26.731 --> 00:18:27.899
- No one better, i think, embodied
- 00:18:27.899 --> 00:18:29.634
- Than our friend charlie kirk.
- 00:18:29.634 --> 00:18:30.869
- I'm going to play a clip from charlie talking about the,
- 00:18:30.869 --> 00:18:34.439
- What is that american question?
- 00:18:34.439 --> 00:18:36.541
- Let's go ahead and play cut. 403.
- 00:18:36.541 --> 00:18:38.843
- We have reduced americanism down to well,
- 00:18:38.843 --> 00:18:41.913
- Have you filled out your paperwork?
- 00:18:41.913 --> 00:18:43.014
- And the left doesn't even believe that
- 00:18:43.014 --> 00:18:45.350
- They believe americans.
- 00:18:45.350 --> 00:18:46.351
- This is the presence of
- 00:18:46.351 --> 00:18:47.252
- Being in the united states of america.
- 00:18:47.252 --> 00:18:49.588
- So what is an american?
- 00:18:49.588 --> 00:18:51.289
- The best way i can answer it,
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- It is someone that is demonstrated through objective
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- Measurements and markers that this is home,
- 00:18:55.994 --> 00:18:59.197
- That you have more than respect or reverence,
- 00:18:59.197 --> 00:19:00.832
- That you're willing to die, that you are all in,
- 00:19:00.832 --> 00:19:03.134
- That this is a place
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- That you're willing to bleed for and sacrifice for.
- 00:19:04.436 --> 00:19:07.272
- This is not a dumping ground for the third world.
- 00:19:07.272 --> 00:19:09.908
- This is not a social experiment.
- 00:19:09.908 --> 00:19:11.710
- Your your you got a tear in your eye on july 4th
- 00:19:11.710 --> 00:19:15.347
- That you worship god,
- 00:19:15.847 --> 00:19:17.849
- Not allah that you have.
- 00:19:17.849 --> 00:19:20.151
- You have a you have a sense of weight and responsibility
- 00:19:20.151 --> 00:19:23.655
- That you care about your fellow neighbor,
- 00:19:23.655 --> 00:19:25.857
- An american, is more than just someone that has a u.s.
- 00:19:25.857 --> 00:19:28.326
- Passport.
- 00:19:28.326 --> 00:19:29.261
- We just played that clip of charlie describing
- 00:19:29.261 --> 00:19:31.696
- Like an american.
- 00:19:31.696 --> 00:19:32.731
- And it's it just comes out of his pores, man.
- 00:19:32.731 --> 00:19:35.000
- And i just love it.
- 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:36.001
- You get a tear in your eye on july 4th.
- 00:19:36.001 --> 00:19:37.902
- Do you worship god, not allah?
- 00:19:37.902 --> 00:19:40.038
- Blake. yeah.
- 00:19:40.038 --> 00:19:41.239
- Just what's funny is at this point, it's
- 00:19:41.239 --> 00:19:43.141
- Almost that clip we just play doesn't go far enough
- 00:19:43.141 --> 00:19:45.110
- Because it's not even the left thinks you're american.
- 00:19:45.110 --> 00:19:47.212
- If you live here, the left actually is
- 00:19:47.212 --> 00:19:48.847
- Pretty much inverted it
- 00:19:48.847 --> 00:19:50.048
- Where you're only an american if you are not from here.
- 00:19:50.048 --> 00:19:53.985
- Yeah,
- 00:19:53.985 --> 00:19:54.786
- If you're actually from america,
- 00:19:54.786 --> 00:19:56.321
- You're somehow
- 00:19:56.321 --> 00:19:57.222
- Not a real person because you're lesser.
- 00:19:57.222 --> 00:19:58.923
- You don't hold the right views on this or that thing.
- 00:19:58.923 --> 00:20:00.992
- The superior american is always
- 00:20:00.992 --> 00:20:02.894
- The american who hasn't been found yet.
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- We need to have spent hundreds of billions of dollars
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- To go and find
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- All the americans scattered throughout the entire world,
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- And bring them here to give them. well, no, it's true.
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- I mean, democrats and their socialists
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- And, communists, coalition partners.
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- I mean, they essentially want, an america
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- Where borders are open, drugs pour in from abroad,
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- Crime is allowed because, you know, racism,
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- Foreigners rule over native born citizens.
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- White people are taxed into subjugation.
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- Men are compliant, quiet and castrated.
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- Little girls share bathrooms with perverted men.
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- Christianity is outlawed by muslim call to prayer.
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- Rings out in the streets.
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- Truth is censored.
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- And you know the military can cure sitting president
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- If they think that he's doing something that they don't like.
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- Josh, i want to flip the conversation
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- A little bit to that direction.
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- You're a lawyer,
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- And there's a lot of argument about this video
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- That the seditious six is they're calling them
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- Now, have put out basically saying, hey,
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- You don't you shouldn't, obey the president.
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- President comes out and says, hey, guess what the the penalty
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- For sedition, seditious conspiracy is death.
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- And then all hell breaks loose.
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- And so that's our current moment. what is sedition?
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- Define it for us, josh, in legal terms.
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- And did it did this meet the the threshold?
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- Well, sedition andrew
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- Would be, a plot to overthrow the regime.
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- A plot to to overthrow the american government to to,
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- Potentially to assassinate the president, to try to to
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- To do what you can illegally to to essentially destroy
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- The very existence of the house of representatives.
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- Absent a constitutional amendment,
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- These these were possible grounds.
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- First edition. now, this this video was was disgusting.
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- I mean, i, i did a whole episode on it on my own show.
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- I said, this is clearly incitement to insurrection.
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- Is it literally sedition?
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- I mean, the reason
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- I'm hesitating, andrew,
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- Because when you have elected officials like this,
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- It seems to me like there is a potentially
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- Another remedy in place rather than trying to prosecute
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- On grounds of sedition,
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- Which is that you could also just
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- Try to expel these members of congress.
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- You could try to expel senator kelly, senator slotkin,
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- People like that there, that that is something that
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- That's one possible thing.
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- You know,
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- I as a lawyer, i think i think not
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- Just about the possible crime, but about remedies as well.
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- So one
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- Remedy could just be expelling is also,
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- Of course, the remedy of of the ballot box.
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- Look, i definitely would not be upset.
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- I mean, if the doj
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- Really decides to pursue this thing
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- And actually decides to say that this is a
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- There's a literal seditious, seditious conspiracy,
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- It's a total cell phone in the politics, by the way.
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- I mean, what what who are they playing to?
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- I mean, literally, who are they playing to
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- Other than the most radical elements of man
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- Downey coalition? it's absolutely nuts.
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- Well, sad.
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- Well said josh hammer, host of the josh hammer show
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- Josh, thanks for joining us, my friend.
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- My pleasure. thanks, andrew.
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