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Charlie Kirk Today | Joshua Haymes & Nick Freitas: April 14, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | April 14, 2026
- Joining us
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- For this conversation is joshua hames.
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- He's the host of the reformation red pill podcast.
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- And you can find him on x at hames underscore.
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- Joshua.
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- Joshua, welcome to the show.
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- Hey, it's good to be here.
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- Thanks for having me on, andrew.
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- I'm, excited to be joining you guys today.
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- Yeah, i mean, it's it's a pleasure to have you, joshua.
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- You are a thoughtful guy.
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- I hadn't heard about you until,
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- I don't know, probably the last
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- Three, four months, something like that.
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- I've been really impressed with your commentary
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- And have gotten to know you a little bit.
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- You are a former church planner turned podcaster thinker.
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- Now you're you're wading into political and cultural topics
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- More and more.
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- So you kind of
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- Have that theological bent, but now you're getting more
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- And more into the commentary space.
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- And i think you're really good at it.
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- And, you know, we got to talk on the phone
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- Last week, and i was like, you know,
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- We just need to come on and have this conversation.
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- We are going to get to what we planned to talk about,
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- Joshua, which is this sort of taxonomy,
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- As you refer to it, about the the coalition as it stands.
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- But first, president trump just sort of,
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- You know, he called an audible over the weekend attacks
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- The pope, pope leo and then, post a now
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- An infamous, meme, an ai generated meme of him as jesus.
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- He's denying that we now have, clips of that.
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- So, we will we will get into that in just a second.
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- But, you know, it's that standard outrage,
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- By the way, i should say blake is, is catholic here.
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- So we're going to get his take on this
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- As as the, is the, the catholic on the panel here,
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- But president trump says he is.
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- This was not, what his plan was.
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- What what clip is that?
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- I by the way, i thought i had the clip ready to go.
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- He denies it.
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- He says he was a it was a picture of him
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- As a red cross trying to heal people.
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- Joshua, were you outraged?
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- Did you resonate with the outrage about his jesus post?
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- Yeah.
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- I mean,
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- I saw some defenders, some christian defenders
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- Jumping on and, you know, they're like,
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- There's some good plan out there.
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- I love the plan. trust.
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- And we'll get into that taxonomy
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- We were talking about here in a minute.
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- But basically saying that, no, this wasn't trump
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- Pretending to be jesus.
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- This wasn't him posting an image of him as the messiah.
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- Ultimately, what in fact, what they did is
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- They actually pulled up
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- A bunch of different pictures of, the pope's dressed
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- In that garb.
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- So basically,
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- They were arguing that what he was actually doing
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- Is going to go into battle against the pope.
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- He wasn't claiming to be jesus.
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- Now, like the little powerful hands there
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- That he's got in that photo, to me, it seems like that
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- He is doing the, comparison to our messiah.
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- And i'll tell you what,
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- When i first saw the picture, i just, i hated it.
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- I hated it so much, i didn't like it at all.
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- It screamed, blasphemy.
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- Honestly.
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- And here's the thing, though, i.
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- I take everything that trump posts
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- On social media with a grain of salt.
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- You know, i know that he's trolling.
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- I know that he's messing around.
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- And here's the thing.
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- I know that, well, here's
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- The thing i don't know donald j.
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- Trump's heart,
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- But he does not strike me as the type of man
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- Who is in love with his savior, jesus.
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- The type of man
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- Who is in full submission to jesus christ in his law,
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- Who wakes up every morning and goes to the word of god,
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- As his ultimate and infallible authority.
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- He doesn't strike me as that kind of guy,
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- So i'm not necessarily expecting him
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- To behave like a regenerate christian.
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- This is the kind of thing that i would expect from,
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- You know, like trump is kind of a 90s democrat,
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- Which in today's terms is,
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- You know, you're a radical, far right, extreme.
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- Because of the way the overton window has shifted so much.
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- So, i don't know, i saw it, i didn't like it.
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- And, i think it's good for us as christians to voice that
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- And make it very clear that,
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- Hey,
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- We are not going to accept
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- Blasphemy from our president, okay?
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- We're not going to accept that you need us. okay.
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- I'm very thankful for so many of the things that,
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- Trump has done.
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- In fact,
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- I believe that he has done more
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- For christians
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- Than any other president in my lifetime,
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- Which he kind of outlined in his,
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- Post in that that where that picture originally came out.
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- So i can be thankful for that.
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- But i can also call him to account and say, hey,
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- This is not acceptable, lfa.
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- We do not want blasphemy
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- On our feeds from our civil magistrate,
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- The highest civil magistrate in our land,
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- The president, the president of the united states.
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- So that's kind of where i'm at with this whole
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- I think that's thoughts, but i'll let you follow yeah.
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- Now, you see, and this is the thing i
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- Wanted to bring you on on this because i, i'm too close to it
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- And i feel like i just, i any time trump does stuff,
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- I kind of just i know what he's kind of getting at.
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- And i sometimes lose the, the outside enough
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- Perspective for it.
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- I just knew it was a troll,
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- You know, he trolled muslims
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- A little bit last week and he's he's even posted
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- Pictures of him dressed as the pope.
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- Like, i just to your point, i don't take it very seriously,
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- But i understand that a lot of people are upset.
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- I'm upset, and a lot of them were my friends.
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- And i should say that he took it down.
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- And here is his, which is noteworthy.
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- He took it down.
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- Here's his, response.
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- That is not what my reporter.
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- Yeah. sot 21, mr.
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- President, that picture of yourself doing jesus christ.
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- Well, it wasn't a picture.
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- It was me.
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- I did first, and i thought it was me as a doctor.
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- And it had to do with red cross as a red cross worker there,
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- Which we support.
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- And, only the fake news could come up with that one.
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- So i, i had to i just heard about it
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- And i said, how did they come up with that?
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- It's supposed to be me as a doctor making people better.
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- And i do make people better.
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- I make people, a lot better.
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- All right, so we could either take that or leave it.
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- Blake, i'm sure i kind of know where your head's at on that,
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- But i took it as him responding kind of as a slap back
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- Clap back after his, you know, comments on the pope.
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- So you're the catholic.
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- You're on the panel. blake, tell us what your.
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- When he started
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- Going after the pope, what was your reaction to that?
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- Well, i mean, i don't think it's a secret.
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- The pope has taken a lot of left wing sounding
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- Views on a lot of issues, which i'm frustrated with.
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- He just
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- It's one thing for the pope to say things that agree
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- With progressives,
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- But what's been annoying with this one is he does say them
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- In ways that basically just sound indistinguishable from,
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- Let's just say it like angry libs on the internet.
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- I mean, he says this about,
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- I think
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- I think he may have literally said like,
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- No human is illegal or something comparable to that.
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- On migration stuff.
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- He's planning to go to lampedusa
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- In the mediterranean on the 4th of july,
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- Which is where a bunch of the migrants
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- From africa land while going into europe.
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- We've had bishops and cardinals coming out and saying,
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- Yeah, the pope, the,
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- The president's
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- Policies on immigration are bad because turnout at mass has
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- Gone down.
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- And it's like rational to ask,
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- Okay, well, how many of those guys
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- Are telling
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- Any of their parishioners that they have a duty to obey
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- The laws that tell them they shouldn't
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- Illegally be in america?
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- All of that is frustrating.
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- That said, the pope is
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- He's the leader of a church with a billion people.
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- Whether he's a perfect one or not.
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- We've had a frustrating pope before.
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- I don't think it's a person worth.
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- I don't think it's
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- I don't think it's
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- Becoming of a president to feud with the pope.
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- It's not like he can never face them in an election.
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- It's not like he can beat him in the midterms.
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- I just i think the president is
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- Combative, but overall
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- I don't like it. and on the first thing,
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- I really don't like the post he made.
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- The president, i don't think, spends a lot of time
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- Contemplating religion.
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- So he may not think much about what it looks like.
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- And the image was made by someone else.
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- It was made by,
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- I believe it was made by nick adams, who's
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- Kind of a colorful figure
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- Who likes posting stuff of that nature.
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- So i don't think he thought that hard about it.
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- I'm glad he didn't delete it.
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- But he's.
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- Yeah, as you say, he shouldn't be doing that.
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- We should expect better of him.
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- We should not have a president who gleefully blasphemes
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- The faith of by far the vast majority of his supporters.
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- There was a
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- Post here by, matt estus, and i'm giving attribution.
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- Somebody says if you understand trump,
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- You know, he's not saying he's jesus or god.
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- He's passing on the overzealous adoration of whoever
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- Is in his fan base
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- That creates the meme that says, see, people love me.
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- And he's not attuned to the sensibilities
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- Of christians who actually read their bibles.
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- Personally, i'd advise him to take it down
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- And not do that again for his own good.
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- I think that's probably like the right read.
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- And, he took it down. all right.
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- He took it down more with joshua james in just a second.
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- He took it down more with joshua james in just a second.
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- Joshua james
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- We talked about this taxonomy of the base okay.
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- So the just lay it out for our our audience.
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- I thought it was smart.
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- I think it helps us understand
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- The dynamics that you're seeing play out in the coalition.
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- The floor is yours.
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- Okay.
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- Before i do that, can i add one little closing note
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- On, on our discussion that we were just having.
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- Absolutely.
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- Okay.
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- So, so i, i'm your friendly neighborhood
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- Christian nationalist.
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- And so i always want to go to the word weekend.
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- And then i'll transition right into that taxonomy.
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- But, i appreciate donald trump
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- So much for all that he's done for christians.
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- However,
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- I want to issue this warning from scripture
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- Because you mentioned exactly what i have noticed as well,
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- Which is,
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- Even his thought process may not have been blasphemy.
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- It was just people love me here.
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- I'm putting it out there. they're praising me.
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- I'm putting it out there.
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- And so i want to read, acts chapter 12, verse 21.
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- On an appointed day, herod put on his royal robes,
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- Took his seat upon the throne, and delivered an oration
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- To the people.
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- And the people were shouting,
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- The voice of god, the voice of god, not a man.
- 00:10:00.525 --> 00:10:03.594
- Immediately
- 00:10:03.594 --> 00:10:04.729
- An angel of the lord struck him down,
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- Because he did not
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- Give glory to god, and he was eaten by worms
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- And breathed his last.
- 00:10:10.601 --> 00:10:11.803
- Now i read that because
- 00:10:11.803 --> 00:10:13.271
- I really like donald trump, and i want him to.
- 00:10:13.271 --> 00:10:16.407
- I want to see him in heaven.
- 00:10:16.407 --> 00:10:17.475
- I want to enjoy company with him, in eternity.
- 00:10:17.475 --> 00:10:21.079
- And so my hope and prayer for him
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- Is that he would hear this warning
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- To see what happens whenever we try to soak up the glory
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- For ourself.
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- And we don't give it to our maker.
- 00:10:27.885 --> 00:10:29.020
- Because honestly,
- 00:10:29.020 --> 00:10:30.021
- I believe that the only way that we can heal
- 00:10:30.021 --> 00:10:32.156
- Our nation is not with christ less conservatism.
- 00:10:32.156 --> 00:10:35.059
- But we must look to jesus christ and give glory
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- And honor to him. so that's that.
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- And then let me go ahead and lay out
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- This taxonomy for, you know, amen.
- 00:10:40.765 --> 00:10:42.300
- I love that, i love that, and it's spot on, joshua.
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- It's spot on.
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- Awesome.
- 00:10:46.871 --> 00:10:47.605
- Okay, so
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- We were talking about this on the phone the other day,
- 00:10:48.906 --> 00:10:51.409
- And i'm kind of pulling from an episode of oren
- 00:10:51.409 --> 00:10:55.079
- Mcintyre show
- 00:10:55.079 --> 00:10:56.214
- That if you haven't checked him out, guys, he's awesome.
- 00:10:56.214 --> 00:10:59.083
- I really appreciate him and his guests.
- 00:10:59.083 --> 00:11:01.085
- They laid out an attack
- 00:11:01.085 --> 00:11:02.720
- Taxonomy that i'm going to kind of help.
- 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:05.523
- Well, then i'm going to.
- 00:11:05.523 --> 00:11:06.324
- I've kind of shaped it for myself
- 00:11:06.324 --> 00:11:07.625
- And kind of been using it lately.
- 00:11:07.625 --> 00:11:09.060
- So essentially, if we want to understand
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- What's going on
- 00:11:11.229 --> 00:11:12.463
- In the conservative movement, this conservative civil war,
- 00:11:12.463 --> 00:11:15.233
- As it were,
- 00:11:15.233 --> 00:11:16.300
- The podcast wars, it's helpful to have categories.
- 00:11:16.300 --> 00:11:19.504
- Now, they lay out a few categories.
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- I'm going to give them some different names
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- Just because i like it better.
- 00:11:23.307 --> 00:11:24.542
- So basically we've got the neocons,
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- We've got the, patriots or the plan thrusters,
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- And then we've got the dissidents
- 00:11:31.849 --> 00:11:34.085
- And then we've got what they call them, the maroons.
- 00:11:34.085 --> 00:11:36.354
- I'm going to call them.
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- The acceleration is for those of you who don't know,
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- The term
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- Acceleration ism is basically the idea
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- That we are going
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- To accelerate, the, the tensions in our country
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- So that it all comes crumbling down.
- 00:11:46.731 --> 00:11:48.199
- We burn it down so that we can rebuild
- 00:11:48.199 --> 00:11:49.767
- Something, something good and true from the ashes.
- 00:11:49.767 --> 00:11:53.805
- Right? it's too broken.
- 00:11:53.805 --> 00:11:54.872
- Our system is too messed up a too corrupt.
- 00:11:54.872 --> 00:11:56.440
- So we need to accelerate the process
- 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.209
- By which we destroy it. so that's the acceleration is.
- 00:11:58.209 --> 00:12:00.411
- Now, what i would say is that.
- 00:12:00.411 --> 00:12:03.114
- Okay. and we can put people in those categories too.
- 00:12:03.114 --> 00:12:05.583
- So people can kind of wrap their mind around it.
- 00:12:05.583 --> 00:12:07.385
- So the neocons that you're
- 00:12:07.385 --> 00:12:09.287
- Like, you're lindsey graham, ted cruz types,
- 00:12:09.287 --> 00:12:12.089
- They're going to be
- 00:12:12.089 --> 00:12:13.257
- Super zionists, very, you know, they're going to be,
- 00:12:13.257 --> 00:12:16.093
- Hawks, warhawks.
- 00:12:16.093 --> 00:12:18.129
- And they're going to be.
- 00:12:18.663 --> 00:12:20.298
- Yeah.
- 00:12:20.298 --> 00:12:21.332
- So we've got the neocons, then we've got the,
- 00:12:21.332 --> 00:12:22.533
- The patriots or the plan thrusters.
- 00:12:22.533 --> 00:12:25.403
- And they are a very important part of college.
- 00:12:25.403 --> 00:12:28.439
- Now, what i would argue is that, maga, the coalition
- 00:12:28.439 --> 00:12:32.543
- That really got trump elected and,
- 00:12:32.543 --> 00:12:33.978
- And really the coalition that is going to be the future
- 00:12:33.978 --> 00:12:36.747
- Of this country if we're to have a, a future
- 00:12:36.747 --> 00:12:39.684
- With light at the end of the tunnel.
- 00:12:39.684 --> 00:12:40.685
- Anyway, it's going to be the plan.
- 00:12:40.685 --> 00:12:42.553
- Trust ers. the patriots and the dissidents.
- 00:12:42.553 --> 00:12:44.722
- So in the plan trust or category
- 00:12:44.722 --> 00:12:46.324
- That would have been like charlie kirk.
- 00:12:46.324 --> 00:12:48.125
- He would have been he was patriot down the line.
- 00:12:48.125 --> 00:12:50.161
- He was going to take what the president is doing.
- 00:12:50.161 --> 00:12:52.630
- And you know
- 00:12:52.630 --> 00:12:53.965
- Usually try to not in a negative way,
- 00:12:53.965 --> 00:12:55.633
- But spin everything in the positive light.
- 00:12:55.633 --> 00:12:57.735
- But that's not, not to lie to anybody.
- 00:12:57.735 --> 00:12:59.704
- It's essentially just to,
- 00:12:59.704 --> 00:13:01.105
- Yeah, keep everyone believing in the project,
- 00:13:01.105 --> 00:13:04.375
- And marching forward.
- 00:13:04.375 --> 00:13:05.176
- And that's actually really,
- 00:13:05.176 --> 00:13:06.177
- Really important in a political coalition.
- 00:13:06.177 --> 00:13:08.479
- So then you've got the
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- Dissidents, and i would put like a matt walsh close
- 00:13:09.947 --> 00:13:13.417
- To the dissident category,
- 00:13:13.417 --> 00:13:14.652
- Or even tucker carlson would be in that dissident category.
- 00:13:14.652 --> 00:13:17.722
- And, and they're the ones who are going to hold
- 00:13:17.722 --> 00:13:20.057
- Politicians feet to the fire.
- 00:13:20.057 --> 00:13:21.425
- They're going to say, i voted for you.
- 00:13:21.425 --> 00:13:23.561
- I'm supporting you,
- 00:13:23.561 --> 00:13:24.829
- But you need to give me something in return.
- 00:13:24.829 --> 00:13:27.131
- We we expect you to fulfill on your campaign promises.
- 00:13:27.131 --> 00:13:31.769
- And when you don't, we're going to let you know. all right?
- 00:13:31.769 --> 00:13:34.138
- You told us that we weren't going into foreign wars.
- 00:13:34.138 --> 00:13:36.874
- You told us that we weren't going into,
- 00:13:36.874 --> 00:13:38.843
- You know, endless wars in the middle east.
- 00:13:38.843 --> 00:13:40.645
- And so we are going to hold you to that.
- 00:13:40.645 --> 00:13:42.713
- So that's kind of the dissidents.
- 00:13:42.713 --> 00:13:43.981
- They're not jumping off the trump train entirely.
- 00:13:43.981 --> 00:13:46.817
- They are
- 00:13:46.817 --> 00:13:47.885
- They're holding they're holding, holding out hope.
- 00:13:47.885 --> 00:13:50.521
- Let's say that they can, by holding their politicians
- 00:13:50.521 --> 00:13:54.091
- Or the administration's feet to the fire,
- 00:13:54.091 --> 00:13:55.826
- They can kind of steer the, the administration.
- 00:13:55.826 --> 00:13:58.462
- And then you've got the acceleration test
- 00:13:58.462 --> 00:13:59.997
- That would be like the foreign test types,
- 00:13:59.997 --> 00:14:01.532
- The ones who say it's all broken, it's all corrupt.
- 00:14:01.532 --> 00:14:04.001
- It's so bad that we literally have to vote for democrats.
- 00:14:04.001 --> 00:14:07.705
- Okay.
- 00:14:07.939 --> 00:14:09.073
- Now, what i would say is, what's going on right now
- 00:14:09.073 --> 00:14:11.842
- Is there is a concerted effort from both sides, from
- 00:14:11.842 --> 00:14:15.913
- The acceleration is on the far right,
- 00:14:15.913 --> 00:14:18.149
- And then the neo cons what you're just basically
- 00:14:18.149 --> 00:14:20.985
- Classical liberals, who, you know, the, the progressives
- 00:14:20.985 --> 00:14:24.956
- Want to drive our country off a cliff at 90 miles an hour.
- 00:14:24.956 --> 00:14:27.191
- The neocons want to go
- 00:14:27.191 --> 00:14:28.359
- 35 miles an hour, but they're going to the same place.
- 00:14:28.359 --> 00:14:30.995
- They are both trying to peel the other two categories
- 00:14:30.995 --> 00:14:35.099
- Away from each other,
- 00:14:35.099 --> 00:14:36.000
- Even though that
- 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:37.101
- Those two middle categories, that is the coalition
- 00:14:37.101 --> 00:14:38.903
- That can save the country. and i truly believe that.
- 00:14:38.903 --> 00:14:41.038
- So the neocons are telling all the patriots,
- 00:14:41.038 --> 00:14:43.641
- Look, look, they're all betrayers, right?
- 00:14:43.641 --> 00:14:45.810
- Look at them.
- 00:14:45.810 --> 00:14:47.044
- They're all just they're all just like candace owens, right?
- 00:14:47.044 --> 00:14:49.013
- They're all just like, all the
- 00:14:49.013 --> 00:14:51.382
- They want to label any dissident
- 00:14:51.382 --> 00:14:53.250
- And they want to, you know, basically tie the candace owens
- 00:14:53.250 --> 00:14:57.154
- Noose around their neck and say, it's
- 00:14:57.154 --> 00:14:58.356
- Just like they're just like them,
- 00:14:58.356 --> 00:14:59.790
- But they're not just like them. right?
- 00:14:59.790 --> 00:15:01.759
- And so they
- 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:02.793
- They're trying to peel them off
- 00:15:02.793 --> 00:15:03.894
- And bring them over to the neocon side.
- 00:15:03.894 --> 00:15:05.863
- And i believe this is an op.
- 00:15:05.863 --> 00:15:07.231
- I believe that this is actually very intentionally being done
- 00:15:07.231 --> 00:15:10.167
- Because they know the neocons know that it's the patriots
- 00:15:10.167 --> 00:15:13.504
- And the dissidents get together and form a coalition
- 00:15:13.504 --> 00:15:15.873
- That we could win.
- 00:15:15.873 --> 00:15:17.541
- We could actually win, but separate.
- 00:15:17.541 --> 00:15:19.243
- We will lose to the neocons.
- 00:15:19.243 --> 00:15:20.878
- They have so much institutional power.
- 00:15:20.878 --> 00:15:23.247
- They have so much, yeah,
- 00:15:23.247 --> 00:15:24.982
- Institutional power, frankly, and money joshua hames.
- 00:15:24.982 --> 00:15:27.718
- He tell us where people can follow you and, how they can
- 00:15:27.718 --> 00:15:31.756
- How they can check out your stuff.
- 00:15:31.756 --> 00:15:34.191
- Yeah.
- 00:15:34.425 --> 00:15:35.292
- So, james, underscore joshua on alex,
- 00:15:35.292 --> 00:15:37.028
- I have a lot of fun kind of throwing grenades on x,
- 00:15:37.028 --> 00:15:39.530
- Rhetorical grenades, of course.
- 00:15:39.530 --> 00:15:41.098
- And, reformation red pill is the name of my podcast,
- 00:15:41.098 --> 00:15:44.268
- And you can find me on youtube, instagram, all of the
- 00:15:44.268 --> 00:15:47.972
- All of the social medias.
- 00:15:47.972 --> 00:15:49.140
- Tiktok has banned me one, so probably banned me again,
- 00:15:49.140 --> 00:15:51.275
- But i'll just keep, keep going on there
- 00:15:51.275 --> 00:15:52.910
- And getting banned again just because it's fun to,
- 00:15:52.910 --> 00:15:55.179
- You know, go through that process again and again.
- 00:15:55.179 --> 00:15:57.048
- But yeah, you can follow me all over the socials. no.
- 00:15:57.048 --> 00:16:00.051
- You see, here's why i like this is how i, why i like you.
- 00:16:00.051 --> 00:16:04.188
- Because i would put you in the dissident category.
- 00:16:04.188 --> 00:16:06.824
- I probably am right between dissident and patriot,
- 00:16:06.824 --> 00:16:09.960
- Depending on the issue
- 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:11.495
- And the truth is that our students are dissidents,
- 00:16:11.495 --> 00:16:14.098
- Okay, a lot.
- 00:16:14.098 --> 00:16:15.032
- That's where the energy is.
- 00:16:15.032 --> 00:16:16.867
- And they have some good points, right?
- 00:16:16.867 --> 00:16:19.637
- Because students have been in their generation,
- 00:16:19.637 --> 00:16:22.106
- Have been left out of incumbent financial processes,
- 00:16:22.106 --> 00:16:25.042
- Buying a home, getting married.
- 00:16:25.042 --> 00:16:27.111
- They're worried about their job, they're worried about ai.
- 00:16:27.111 --> 00:16:29.580
- So these things need to be addressed.
- 00:16:29.580 --> 00:16:32.083
- We need to
- 00:16:32.083 --> 00:16:33.184
- Make sure that the people with power actually have
- 00:16:33.184 --> 00:16:34.952
- Their feet held to the fire, so that we get them addressed.
- 00:16:34.952 --> 00:16:37.555
- All right.
- 00:16:37.555 --> 00:16:38.189
- And, charlie was brilliant
- 00:16:38.189 --> 00:16:39.356
- At navigating those and threading that needle.
- 00:16:39.356 --> 00:16:41.759
- And so i love that your voice is emerging
- 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:44.328
- As a strong voice out there.
- 00:16:44.328 --> 00:16:45.596
- Joshua james, i wish i had more time,
- 00:16:45.596 --> 00:16:47.465
- But we'll have you on again soon.
- 00:16:47.465 --> 00:16:48.966
- And, you've been doing a little bit
- 00:16:48.966 --> 00:16:50.968
- With turning points, so god bless you, man.
- 00:16:50.968 --> 00:16:52.436
- We appreciate that as well.
- 00:16:52.436 --> 00:16:55.039
- All right.
- 00:16:55.339 --> 00:16:56.373
- God bless you guys too. thanks for having me on.
- 00:16:56.373 --> 00:16:57.741
- All right. see you soon.
- 00:16:57.741 --> 00:16:59.076
- All right.
- 00:16:59.076 --> 00:17:00.277
- I'm going to give the studio a little time to turn over,
- 00:17:00.277 --> 00:17:01.545
- And we're going to get, nick freed us up and running.
- 00:17:01.545 --> 00:17:03.781
- We'll be right back.
- 00:17:03.781 --> 00:17:08.004
- We'll be right back.
- 00:17:08.004 --> 00:17:13.092
- Want to welcome to the show a guy
- 00:17:13.860 --> 00:17:15.528
- That i have been following a lot online.
- 00:17:15.528 --> 00:17:17.563
- And he's got a new book
- 00:17:17.563 --> 00:17:18.898
- That is really, really timely and important.
- 00:17:18.898 --> 00:17:21.334
- I believe, and that's nick freitas.
- 00:17:21.334 --> 00:17:23.069
- His new book is called the man book.
- 00:17:23.069 --> 00:17:25.471
- A point by point
- 00:17:25.471 --> 00:17:26.506
- Guide to sucking it up and getting the job done.
- 00:17:26.506 --> 00:17:29.876
- All right, nick, welcome back to the show.
- 00:17:29.876 --> 00:17:31.410
- It's good to see you.
- 00:17:31.410 --> 00:17:32.645
- Hey, thanks for having me on. great to see you guys as well.
- 00:17:32.645 --> 00:17:34.647
- Yeah. so, nick, why this book? why now?
- 00:17:34.647 --> 00:17:38.151
- Well, i call it my,
- 00:17:38.618 --> 00:17:40.953
- Why do i get stopped at the airport discussion?
- 00:17:40.953 --> 00:17:43.856
- And, whenever
- 00:17:44.223 --> 00:17:45.291
- I go to the airport and someone kind of recognizes
- 00:17:45.291 --> 00:17:47.693
- Me and they're
- 00:17:47.693 --> 00:17:48.528
- They're gracious enough to come over
- 00:17:48.528 --> 00:17:49.462
- And say something that they liked about
- 00:17:49.462 --> 00:17:51.297
- Maybe a real i did or some piece of content.
- 00:17:51.297 --> 00:17:54.367
- I've noticed that
- 00:17:54.367 --> 00:17:55.601
- A lot of it, is surrounding this question of masculinity,
- 00:17:55.601 --> 00:17:58.938
- Being a husband, being a father,
- 00:17:58.938 --> 00:18:00.506
- Being a soldier, all of those things.
- 00:18:00.506 --> 00:18:02.708
- And, so i sat down, i was like,
- 00:18:02.708 --> 00:18:04.076
- You know, i'm just going to write out
- 00:18:04.076 --> 00:18:05.011
- Some of the things that i've learned over,
- 00:18:05.011 --> 00:18:07.680
- You know, 27 years of marriage, 22 years of being a father,
- 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:12.151
- My time in special forces, being in the legislature.
- 00:18:12.151 --> 00:18:15.454
- And, and so it's kind of an eclectic book.
- 00:18:15.454 --> 00:18:17.456
- It's everything from how to successfully argue
- 00:18:17.456 --> 00:18:20.259
- With your wife, which i stand by that title, by the way,
- 00:18:20.259 --> 00:18:23.262
- You can successfully argue with your wife,
- 00:18:23.262 --> 00:18:25.932
- To kind of a difference
- 00:18:25.932 --> 00:18:27.233
- Between raising
- 00:18:27.233 --> 00:18:28.201
- Sons and daughters and the different things
- 00:18:28.201 --> 00:18:29.835
- That they need from dad.
- 00:18:29.835 --> 00:18:31.604
- Two other things that a little bit more light hearted, like,
- 00:18:31.604 --> 00:18:33.806
- You know, how to properly cook a steak.
- 00:18:33.806 --> 00:18:35.908
- Spoiler alert,
- 00:18:35.908 --> 00:18:37.009
- Anything above medium is just burnt and destroyed.
- 00:18:37.009 --> 00:18:40.580
- And and other practical things too, like how to properly
- 00:18:40.580 --> 00:18:43.216
- Kick in the door.
- 00:18:43.216 --> 00:18:44.417
- Not just because it looks cool,
- 00:18:44.417 --> 00:18:45.685
- Because you never know when you might have to rescue
- 00:18:45.685 --> 00:18:47.620
- A family member from a burning building,
- 00:18:47.620 --> 00:18:49.622
- And you want to make sure you do it
- 00:18:49.622 --> 00:18:50.756
- Right and look cool in the process.
- 00:18:50.756 --> 00:18:52.391
- So, a lot of these things i've learned, again, a lot of
- 00:18:52.391 --> 00:18:55.828
- A lot of them from doing the right thing,
- 00:18:55.828 --> 00:18:57.129
- But a lot of them too, from doing the wrong thing
- 00:18:57.129 --> 00:18:58.831
- And learning from it just feels like
- 00:18:58.831 --> 00:19:01.067
- This infantilized version of american discourse
- 00:19:01.067 --> 00:19:05.071
- Where we're getting
- 00:19:05.071 --> 00:19:06.472
- It's like the, the, the quality and the thoughtfulness of
- 00:19:06.472 --> 00:19:09.709
- The debate is going down, the quality of
- 00:19:09.709 --> 00:19:12.511
- And the thoughtfulness
- 00:19:12.511 --> 00:19:13.813
- Of our disagreements and the way we handle them
- 00:19:13.813 --> 00:19:16.382
- Are degrading. they're devolving.
- 00:19:16.382 --> 00:19:18.217
- They're not getting more elevated.
- 00:19:18.217 --> 00:19:19.919
- And i just happen to think that a lot of people
- 00:19:19.919 --> 00:19:22.288
- Need to be called up higher.
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- We need to be calling people up to be an adult, to behave
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- Like an adult in public, to behave
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- Like an adult when you're a politician,
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- When you're, a congressman, when you're at the state level,
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- Like you've done in, in virginia, am i wrong?
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- Is that is that sort of a core problem that you're noticing?
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- Yeah, i
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- There's there's five categories
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- That i kind of talk about with masculinity.
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- That's the, the most important,
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- Which is your spiritual, your relationship with god.
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- It's where you get your identity,
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- Your sense of of, objective morality, objective truth.
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- But then there's also the emotional, the physical,
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- The professional and the intellectual.
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- And one of the things i
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- Tell guys in this book is that it's really important
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- That as a man,
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- You be seen as being capable of giving wise counsel.
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- It doesn't mean
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- You need to be a subject matter expert in every topic.
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- Nobody can achieve that.
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- But if you want to be the sort of guy
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- That your children think that they can go to
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- And get wisdom, then you need to continue
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- To develop yourself intellectually.
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- And one of the things that you you do that
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- With this critical thinking, it's through argument.
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- It's through debate.
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- It's through
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- Not getting caught up in just ad hominem attacks
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- Or just screaming or yelling at people
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- Or insisting that we're going to
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- Do it this way, because i said so,
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- The better job you can do
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- Explaining your positions, your values, your belief,
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- The more like i mean, forget the random argument
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- You're going to have on x, right?
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- Those can be fun.
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- Some times it can be distracting,
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- Other times
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- I wanted to make sure that the things
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- That i held the most dear in my life,
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- I could properly explain to my kids
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- That i could teach them
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- How to defend it, that i could answer
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- Tough questions, that they might come home with.
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- And i always wanted them to see dad as a person
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- That they knew
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- Was going to give them the truth,
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- But was also going to be an explainer
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- In a way that made sense to them,
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- Because the goal is not to just tell them
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- To believe what i believe, because i say so.
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- The goal is to adequately equip your children
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- So that when they leave your house,
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- The beliefs that you handed to them are now theirs.
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- They believe in them not because dad said so.
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- They believe in them because they're true.
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- And you're not going to be able to do that
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- If you're engaging in the sort of debate
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- That we see too much on social media these days
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- Where it's just yell louder or, you know, make little quips
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- Or whatever it is,
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- You need to be intellectually rigorous in your pursuits.
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- If you're going to be the sort of man that other men
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- And your children and your wife can trust.
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- Nick, i'm
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- Going to throw a little bit of a curveball to you here.
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- What is your message?
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- Maybe it's not, author of the man book.
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- I really, really important final question.
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- What do you say to those men
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- That have given in to sort of, i guess, scapegoat culture,
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- Whether it's all about the jews or they want to.
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- The acceleration is they want to burn it
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- All down, vote democrat so they can build up
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- Something more pure in this country.
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- They're disappointed with the gop.
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- What is your message to them?
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- I don't know if it's a political question
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- Or if you want to take it. spiritual.
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- Psychological law is yours.
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- Last minute.
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- I think what it comes down to
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- Is that on some degree, on some level,
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- They're going to have to recognize
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- What they've done as they've surrendered.
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- And i and i get that can be tough
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- And it can be frustrating.
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- And there's a point of
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- There's a part of it that probably thinks,
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- Well, once it all burns down, then they'll miss me.
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- Then they'll wish
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- That they had the things
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- That i was trying to bring to society.
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- What i'm going to say is that never works out.
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- That never works out the way you think.
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- Acceleration ism doesn't work out the way you think.
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- What we need is for more man to stand up and be an example.
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- Think about how
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- Who you admire in your own circle
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- Do you admire the people that just lay down and take it?
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- Do you admire the people that try to burn it down with you,
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- Or do you admire the people
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- That stand up against all odds and fight
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- Because it is the honorable and noble thing to do?
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- And that's what i think you need to reach for.
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- You need to reach
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- For the honorable version of you that is fighting
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- For that opportunity to serve god, to be able
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- To serve your family, to serve your country.
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- Because those are the things that i think
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- Give us true meaning and purpose,
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- All this other stuff, it may feel good in the moment,
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- But it ends up leaving you feel it ends up.
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- One of the worst forms of depression you can ever find
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- Is that when you are denied the things
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- That you think you want or that you're owed,
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- The worst depression
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- Is when you actually get
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- The things that you are striving for,
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- And you find out it leaves you empty.
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- Find your identity in christ
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- First and never doubt what your meaning and purpose is.
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- Nick frieda's the man book.
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- Thank you for making the time. excellent.
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