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Brought to you in part by the
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International fellowship of christians and jews.
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All right, everybody, welcome to this special long
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Form interview with kelly shackleford,
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Who's the president and ceo of first liberty institute.
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That's first liberty.org.
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Kelly, you were a really close friend of charlie's.
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You were?
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You've been on this show
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Many times, and, it's an honor to have you in the studio,
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Because oftentimes we'd have you,
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And it would be breaking news about something
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That was going on with the supreme court
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Or some, case that you were working,
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That, you know, our audience needed to know about.
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This.
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So so the president's committee,
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Has has formed a commission, a religious liberty,
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Commission. yes.
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Tell us about that,
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Because you are directly involved in it.
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It's, it's the first time
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It's ever been done in the united states.
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Commissions generally report to, like, an agency
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Or department or something.
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And i think they send send
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A report and it disappears in the back of some room.
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This one's really different.
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The charter of the, of the commission
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Is specifically to
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To report directly
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And only to the president of the united states.
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And we have to do this by, july 4th, of our two 50th,
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Which is the two 50th celebration
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Of religious freedom and the freedom of our country.
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And it's all in our job is to give him direct
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Recommendations on what he can do
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To secure religious freedom for the future of our country.
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And so we're holding hearings and we're hearing testimony.
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I think most people are shocked
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When they hear what's going on around the country.
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And, we're coming up with some recommendations.
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And i have no doubt with this president
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That our recommendations will not be executed.
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You told me some crazy stories.
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Let's start with the woman that got
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This is a teacher that got fired
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For having a cross at her desk. yeah.
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She's, this is still going on.
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It's in connecticut.
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Marisol castro, she's a wonderful woman.
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33 years teaching.
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And if you you could see the pictures,
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You know, if you see it online,
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They've got a desk and they've got a little wall behind them.
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That's their personal wall.
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They put their stuff on there
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And, you know, it's up in connecticut.
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There's yankees banners.
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There's, you know, yoda's there's all kinds of stuff.
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I mean, you could put a gay pride flag if you wanted,
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But there's one thing that's not allowed.
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She has a little cross. it's not that big.
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It's a little cross in the midst
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Of all those personal things.
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So principal, vice principal, everybody comes flooding into
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A room, saying, you take that down.
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And she's very intimidated by this, you know, she's scared.
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And they say, i'll tell you what,
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We'll let you put it under your desk.
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And they would had her mount it under her
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Is literally a verse for this.
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Like, don't put it under a bushel like that.
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You know, it's like, no, you're right, you're exact.
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Because she goes home. yeah.
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We have these images.
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So the studio is going to put them up in just a second.
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You could see she looks like such a sweetheart.
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I'm just looking at this show, a picture of this woman.
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Her name is what? marissa. marissa.
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Marisol castro. marissa.
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Marisol castro. marisol castro.
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And then here. go to go to 264.
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This is the picture of the cross in question.
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You can see it. it's just like.
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So where she would sit,
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It's almost just down to her right side.
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And that was a violation. they.
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But they told her to put it under her
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Desk, like on the side inside to under her desk.
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She did it. there is a picture.
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Yeah, there's a picture of that too.
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And, and she, you know, she was intimidated.
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All these bosses come in and, and so she goes home
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And just starts weeping
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And as she says, as she always prays to papa god.
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She said, papa, god, i failed you.
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And and when i go back tomorrow,
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I'm going to do it right.
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I'm putting the cross back up
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And she went back, and you can see that cross under the desk.
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She pulled it off the desk.
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She put it back up on her board and they suspended.
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They walked her out of the school, like
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With all of her stuff in a box, like a criminal.
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And, they're still refusing to back down.
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And again, think of what the.
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Oh, separation of church and state.
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It's like we look at the coach kennedy opinion.
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Okay.
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The whole argument they were making there
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Was, well, the kids might see him pray.
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It's like an extreme court said.
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So yeah.
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You know,
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I mean, he could wear a dress, but you can't watch him pray.
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Of course he could pray.
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And so there's nothing wrong
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With a teacher being a person of faith, having a cross
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Around their neck, whatever.
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That's that's part of life.
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And it's like they haven't even.
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They can't even read the supreme court decision.
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They have.
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We've sent it to them.
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This is the hostility that goes on to teachers,
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To to kids, to parents around the country
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That we have to fight every day all over the country.
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Yeah.
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I mean, and then there's this, i mean,
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She's just such a sweetheart, i hope.
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I mean, it sounds like you guys already
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Should have dealt with this with the lemon case,
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Where you got that reversed with coach kennedy.
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All of this should should take care of it.
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But we're we're fighting.
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We have one of the biggest law firms in the world joined us
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Against this school district.
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But they're refusing to back down.
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And so we're we're still in court.
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And, you know, if people i will say this,
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They could go to the religious liberty
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Commission and watch any of the past hearings.
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They're really fascinating.
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I would encourage people to do that.
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And her testimony, which is about 4 to 5 minutes long,
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It was spelled
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I mean, it had the whole place, hundreds, hundreds of people
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With their mouth open just floored.
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In fact, i didn't see a woman
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In the room who didn't have a tissue.
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It was really powerful. she was.
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She spoke from her heart,
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Talking about, you know, i failed you, papa.
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God, i mean, well,
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That's gut wrenching to just hear you even say that.
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Because you know that her faith
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Was so sincere that she knew not to hide her faith
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Or let them persecutor and so she felt guilty.
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But i'm so proud of her as a as a brother in christ.
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So god bless her. and you know what?
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Like that's not the type of teachers
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We want for our course.
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I mean, the people these are the people that you do want.
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Yeah.
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Leading our children, not the ones that are doing
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Hand signs to their neck is nathan hale elementary,
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Lucy martinez, that still hasn't been fired
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As of this recording. at least.
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And so we're hoping that that happens.
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And by the way, you know, some people are like, oh, well,
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You know,
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They're upset that we're saying, hey,
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If you celebrated charlie
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Kirk's murder, that you should not be employed
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To teach our school
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At our schools, whether that be k through eight
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Or be a university like illinois state,
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Where there was a teacher's assistant
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Who tried to flip over
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One of the the tables of our kids
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That were tabling out in the square
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And that that teacher uses a teaching assistant
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Has been fired by illinois state university.
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God bless them.
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And, you know, here's another, illinois example.
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And this, lucy martinez should be fired because you
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You failed a fundamental decency test.
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I call it life's pop quiz.
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You know, you got it's like, how do you find out
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The quality of the water in a glass?
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Well, and it gets bumped, it
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Spills out, and you find out what's inside.
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Is it going to poison?
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Is it is it clean? is it whatever?
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Well, she got bumped and what spilled out
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Was vile garbage.
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And i'm sorry, but that that reveals character.
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You're not fit to be around students.
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And so some people are like, well, you kept
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Calling for these people to get fired.
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And i'm like, well, listen,
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Just because you're upset that somebody is going
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To lose their job or something, we'll guess what.
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Charlie lost his life for it.
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So don't give me that.
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Sometimes there are consequences for your actions.
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And this should be one of those examples.
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Celebrating anybody's death is unacceptable.
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It totally. there's got to be a line.
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Doesn't matter who you are.
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It's unacceptable in any job in this country 1,000%
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I mean we you know that that should be automatic.
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Yeah.
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Especially somebody as good and wonderful and as decent.
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I understand
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People have different algorithms
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And they get
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Fed all of this stuff,
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Which is why we've
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Made it a point on the show to just debunk
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These out-of-context clips.
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So it's a divorced from the the argument that preceded it
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For 15 minutes.
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And they take one little snippet and,
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And these people go around saying
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Charlie was a bigot, a misogynist or something.
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It's infuriating.
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The wounds from
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October 7th didn't fade when the headlines did.
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Behind me rises
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A new rehabilitation home for israel's wounded soldiers.
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One of many urgent projects israel needs right now.
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Entire communities shattered.
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Families displaced.
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And each day,
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The impact of the need grows even more overwhelming.
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But the bible says it clearly.
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The righteous will live by faith and by faith.
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The fellowship is rolling up our sleeves
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And stepping into this immense challenge.
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Helping mothers who don't know where to begin again.
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Standing with paralyzed heroes.
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Fighting to take their first steps.
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Building centers of healing for the wounded
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And the traumatized.
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Bringing food and comfort to elderly israelis
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Who have no one else to care for them.
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To see the life saving work of the fellowship.
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Unfolding across israel right now.
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Visit ifc's dawg.
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Visit ifc's dawg.
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There's another story, i wanted to get to
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Because you had told me about it.
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I actually still haven't seen
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The clip, but apparently it went viral.
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So you guys are having this commission?
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And it's a it's a hearing. yeah.
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To hearing maybe paint the scene
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Because this young man ended up wowing everybody.
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Yeah.
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It's, we that one was the, the that day was on the rights
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Of students at public schools and the rights of parents.
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So we heard some gut wrenching stories.
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I mean,
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A mom who had her daughter transitioned behind her back,
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And they were keeping her in the dark and mean.
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It's just horrible stuff you're hearing.
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But the president shows up, and out of all the people
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That are going to testify, he picks one person.
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And the person he picked, is, when he was
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He was 12 at this hearing, but he was 11 when this happened.
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This is in encinitas, california.
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They forced in the school all the fifth graders
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To read a book called my shadow is pink
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To their kindergarten buddies. right.
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So they so this
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This happens in my kid school two,
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Where the older kid has a buddy. yes.
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And they go through maybe a couple of years together.
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Maybe this was just a one off at this school.
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But yeah,
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My daughter has this where she, like
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It was 3 or 4 years older and they kind of they,
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They have a big buddy.
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Yeah.
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And so this this kid was he's a fifth grade 11 right.
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He's going to be a big buddy to a kindergartner.
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That's right. and his job was to kind of
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Shepherd him through the process.
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Be a mentor big friend, big brother.
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And he gets asked to read a book
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About lgbt whatever.
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And i think
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Asking him to ask for this little kindergartner
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To question their gender and to take out a paper
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And draw on it to show what gender they are.
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So this,
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You know, little shay is just a heart of gold.
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And he said, i can't do that to my kindergarten buddy.
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And he and another child, they're both
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Went home to their parents and told them
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The parents went to the school and said,
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You know,
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You need to be notifying the parents
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If you're doing something like this.
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And number two,
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We need an exemption for our, our child
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Because this would violate their faith.
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The school answered, you have no right to be notified
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And we are giving no exemptions.
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You know the mindset the well you you religious
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People are backwards.
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And we have to show you
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How you should believe about transgender
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Ism and all these things.
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So, now we end up going to federal court and we
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We did win that.
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It is a violation of the constitution
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To not notify parents about something like this.
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And you do have to provide a religious exemption.
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The school, by the way, because these kids stood up
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And these are 11 year olds, had a pink out the eight day
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To have them bully, bully them.
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Yeah.
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And so so here we are at this hearing, and there's
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All these people testifying, grown ups and everybody.
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And the president calls out
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One person to come up to his podium, and it's shea.
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And it's the coolest thing.
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If you watch it, i can. we got the clip.
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Yeah, it.
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Number one. shake it. barely. he.
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I mean, it's a presidential podium.
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Like his eyes would be barely above it.
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So they had this big stool
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That they bring out so he can get up there.
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And then he walks up to that. and the president
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First comments he has a red tie.
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It looks just like what trump wears.
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He said, i love your tie.
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And he gets up.
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They pull the microphone way down for him.
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And this kid 12 years old gives
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You would think he's a 55 year old professional speaker. wow.
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It was unreal.
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You said you gave a minute.
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I got a 37 second clip.
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So hopefully we didn't
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Cut out any of the good stuff, but it sounds like
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It was a minute of just pure fire.
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So good for shay.
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And he will play the clip.
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255 i was in fifth grade.
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My school forced me to teach my kindergarten buddy
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About changing his gender
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Using a book called my shadow was pink.
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The book said you can choose your gender
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Based on feelings instead of how god made us.
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I knew this was not right,
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But i was afraid of getting in trouble.
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After my family broke up, the school treated badly
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And kids started bullying me
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And my brother because of our faith
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In the school did nothing to stop it.
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It had a lot, but i kept trusting god.
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I believe
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Kids like me should be able to live off that school
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Without being forced to go against what we believe.
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I hope no other family has to go through minded.
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Thank you. yeah.
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Just unbelievable.
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Just, i mean that a 12 year old kid can even deliver.
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And plus, i mean, you you don't. you see him.
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You don't see the cameras filling the walls.
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The room full of all these adults.
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The president of the united states behind him.
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And you're at the presidential podium,
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And he just killed it. just did.
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I totally did what a what a great young man.
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One of the really cool young men.
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And the testimony of he and his mom,
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Which came after the president left,
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Where they said it was about five minutes,
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Was one of the most touching things you've ever seen too,
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Because his mom started breaking down at times.
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And here's this 12 year old.
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He would lean over and hug and support his mom,
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And they were going back and forth saying things.
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It was so powerful.
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But it just this should not happen, right?
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And so that's why we're holding the hearings
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Is because we want this information out.
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We want people to know that this is not right.
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This is against the constitution,
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And that we're going to come up with specific things that can
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Be done to stop it. i
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That christmas morning.
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Wise men brought gifts from outside the holy land.
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But now that the war is over,
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This holy land and her people
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Are still carrying deep wounded.
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Many of the elderly are alone and suffering
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Like the wise men or wise women.
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When you open your heart and give a special holiday food
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Box to someone here in israel
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This christmas chronicles season.
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People like hannah who can't buy food.
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That's where the fellowship is called to feed the hungry.
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Please call, scan or go online now to help rush emergency
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Food and healing to elderly jews
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And their christian neighbors struggling
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To rebuild their lives from the war.
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What will happen when we make this holy day season?
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Holy indeed.
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Holy indeed.
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So i want to
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End this conversation
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On kind of a question
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Of judicial history,
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Because one of the things we were talking about is that
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The courts really went wayward
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During the 50s, 60s and 70s.
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And, you know, now
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The liberals are freaking out because there's a six, three
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Majority of republican appointees.
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And, you know, we lose amy coney barrett sometimes.
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And we we if kavanaugh goes wayward,
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Justice roberts goes way wayward.
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So it's it's a little tenuous,
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But we've got over your shoulder there.
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We've got, justice clarence thomas,
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A picture of him on the wall, and we've got alito.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's just wild to me because,
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You know, i wasn't alive during the 60s.
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I don't know when you were born,
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But you think about a country that was so christian, right?
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I mean, a lot of people didn't know
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There was a religious revival that happened in the 50s.
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That's where billy graham's tent revivals
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Really kicked off.
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The catholics were were surging in the 1950s.
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And yet somehow, upon that cultural backdrop,
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You had this emergence of one of the most virulent,
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Virulently liberal and supreme courts.
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And it's just it kind of,
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You know, and then what follows that is
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This is the other thing you talk about history
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Is you had a democrat party that was committed
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To picking people
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That would get to the results they wanted to get to.
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Right?
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So they
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They seemed to never miss with their supreme court picks,
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Whereas the republicans, they would put a republican on
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And they would be good one time and bad the next.
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Right.
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And and the reason for that is
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The republicans weren't picking based upon,
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A real analysis of the life of this person.
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They would pick based upon this is the way dc
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Kind of works.
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Oh, so-and-so is my friend, trust me.
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Right.
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You know, david souter, for instance. right?
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I mean, that's how that happened
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Is on a very conservative or i've asked them,
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They're really good asking all that.
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I don't care if it's your mother.
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I don't trust them.
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When it comes to a lifetime appointment
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On the supreme court,
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The question should be they're 50 years old.
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Show me the proof of who they are.
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Right? what have they been a member to?
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What did they given money to?
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What is what
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Is their judicial philosophy that is actually lived out?
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Are they willing to restrain themselves and not take power?
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Right.
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Are they willing to pay a price to do the right thing?
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You know, those are the kind of questions you got to ask.
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And when you do
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And what i would say is on the republican side, everything
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Shifted with the harriet miers nomination
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Because it was another one of those.
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It was she was a friend of president bush's.
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He really trusted her, and they picked her.
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Well, she had no record to show anything.
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So the base kind of finally said, i'm revolting.
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And what ended up happening?
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He pulled her
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And they put alito, who had more of a track record
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Of anybody that we had ever seen,
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And and they thought, well, he's not going to get through.
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He flew right through.
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Okay.
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And so since then it has all been about
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Not what people say, but show me the proof.
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And that is what is so dangerous
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Because dc doesn't operate that way.
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And so if you don't have a real push back on these judges
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At this,
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Especially supreme court,
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But even the federal court of appeals,
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These are lifetime appointments,
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Then then you're going to end up with pushing friends,
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Because that's that's how everything works there.
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Oh, so-and-so friends conservative.
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I'll, i'll push them for this slot and nobody's where i can.
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I'm telling you, andrew, last time, under the first trump,
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The first nominees for supreme court,
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We had these people pushing these people,
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And we would go
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To the white house and say, have you read this opinion?
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And we watch their hair line on fire.
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Nobody had bothered to read the opinions
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That they had or even written.
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So there that's the way they usually do it.
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And we've got to make sure
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We stay with the new approach, which is who are they?
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They've lived 50 years of life.
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What is the proof of who they will be
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On the supreme court?
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I mean, i bet if they looked at your life, andrew,
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They're trying to figure out what kind of
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They would have a lot of proof points of who you are,
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Where you stand,
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Whether you're willing to do the right thing,
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Versus these people that hide for 50 years,
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And then
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They show up
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And we're supposed to think, well,
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They're going to be really good.
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When you make those kind of decisions in your life
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Where there's
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No hiding behind anything, where you have
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To come out and pick a side
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That tells you a lot about a person.
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It's hard to quantify,
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But it's a really important character proof point
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That you need to consider when you're picking
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These lifetime appointments.
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And you know you're
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Also working on this at the appellate court level
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In some of these district court levels, do so.
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So you guys have
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I mean, i don't know what you can
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Share, kelly, but you guys have put together
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A war room of sorts to assess nominees
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At even the lower courts.
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Tell us what you can about that.
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We we, you know, we were tired of of having to
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To hope about nominees because,
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I mean, our job at first liberty is protecting
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Everybody's religious freedoms, right. and.
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Well, if you don't have good judges,
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They're not going to be protected.
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That's a good point.
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And so we were like, we've got to
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And we're really the first time that really kind of flew in
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Our face was when trump was elected,
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And we saw 132 judicial seats open, which is rare.
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Obama had not kind of paid attention to his knitting.
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And, he left all these seats open
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And we were like,
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You know,
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This is might be the best thing we can do
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For the future of religious freedom.
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So we started putting a vetting division together
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Because we
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Thought information is good, will provide information.
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And and we don't unlike everybody else.
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We don't we're not pushing for a person.
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We're just saying, here's the info.
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Let's pick the best person.
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And so we started that and how we are now, eight
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And a half years later, we have the most extensive
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Vetting division in the country.
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That's not even close.
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We have, a whole team, a large team of people.
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We also have very sophisticated ai, experts in this area,
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All a part of the process to make sure
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That we know everything
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About everybody, because it's too important to our freedoms,
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And we just provide those so that ultimately
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The ultimate decision maker, the president,
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Has the information to make good choices.
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So that's our goal is, you know, i
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In a way, i feel like my goal is
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Is our goal as an organization is to stand
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In front of that booth and say
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My hand up saying, nobody gets through,
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Who's not pro religious freedom.
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And, if we get run over by a train
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Sometime, then we'll get run over by the train,
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But we're going to stand and do our job
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And make sure the information is provided
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So that people aren't surprised,
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Like we were for many years.
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Awesome. well said. god bless you.
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Thank you. and god bless.
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First liberty, you guys are doing great work
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On behalf of the entire country,
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Is on behalf of all as christians and jews.
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And, it's it's really important.
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So god bless you and thanks for making the day.
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It's a privilege to be on.
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Andrew really was absolutely. thanks so much.
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I received a message from our friends
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At international fellowship of christians and jews
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That i would like to share with you.
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It's a simple one. thank you.
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And one of the jewish communities
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Greatest times of need.
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Christians around the world have stepped up
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With generosity, standing in prayer
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And showing what it means to love their neighbors
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As themselves together with the fellowship.
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You're doing the holy work, providing food for the hungry.
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Care for the elderly and healing for the wounded.
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Your prayers and support are helping to restore hope
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And strength throughout israel and beyond.
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To learn more, visit ifc, ck dawg, that's ifc.org.
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Kelly Shackleford: December 8, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today

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