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Charlie Kirk Today | Lucas Miles & Scott Jennings: April 22, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | April 22, 2026
- Welcome him now to the
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- Show is one of our own lucas miles.
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- He's the vice president of tpo save faith
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- And a great american great
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- Great patriot, great christian man who's out there
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- On the frontlines every single day.
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- We want to talk about so much with him, including
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- The make heaven crowded tour, which is marching forward.
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- Welcome, lucas.
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- Miles, back to the show.
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- Hey, thanks for having me. good to see you guys.
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- All right,
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- What is your next stop on the make kevin crowded tour?
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- Yeah, april 29th.
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- Next wednesday,
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- We're going to be at preston wood baptist church, one.
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- It's a real big church, one of the biggest in america.
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- And we got a great lineup, myself, pastor jack graham.
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- Eric kirk is going to be with us.
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- We have george janko.
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- Special musical guests will be announcing very soon.
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- Going to be incredible night.
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- Oh, and allie beth stuckey is going to be there as well.
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- So it's, it's solid lineup it's, incredible location.
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- And pastor jack is has been outstanding.
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- He's actually speaking of our pastor
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- Summit, tonight, we're we're kicking off
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- Our pastor summit here in dallas as well.
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- And so we're here.
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- Great guy.
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- That's fantastic.
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- Okay, so what is the point of the may kevin crowded tour?
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- For those who don't know, i think it's in the name.
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- This is really an extension.
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- Yeah, yeah, there's some degree out. right.
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- But you know to state this is
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- This is really
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- A, an extension of what came out of the aftermath and the,
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- I should say the,
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- The, the spiritual uprising on the other side
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- Of charlie's memorial.
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- We originally had planned at tpac fe to do a single event,
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- Large event in 2026 called the believers summit.
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- And we had some historical, you know, framework for that.
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- But what we quickly realized is that the movement across
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- This country was too large to contain in just one event.
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- And so we thought we'd have 4000 people
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- At one believers summit.
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- We had 5500 people just at our first
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- Make heaven crowd and stop in one city.
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- So now we're rotating.
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- We have about 30 stops across the country.
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- So i'm on the road a lot right now,
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- But it has been absolutely incredible.
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- We're seeing people saved
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- And come to christ at every single stop.
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- And this is very revivalist, rick.
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- It's kind of, activating.
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- It's, it's, you know, engaging and helping
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- To, you know, really,
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- Just encourage
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- Just people to push in more with their
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- There's faith in their spirituality,
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- Get connected to a local church.
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- And so these are, you know, stops
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- Most of them are at large churches across the country.
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- But we have
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- Before every single stop, we have a pastor roundtable,
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- And we'll have sometimes 100 pastors
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- That will come together in support of this.
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- So this is really not just one local church in a community.
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- It's representing a lot of churches
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- In that community that are standing with us
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- And really supporting this event.
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- So they've been absolutely incredible.
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- How many?
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- So when charlie was killed, we had about 4000
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- Church partnerships.
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- What are we at now?
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- About 12,000 roughly.
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- So it is, you know, gosh, you know, three growth.
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- I when i came in, buddy,
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- You know, in july would be two years.
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- We had 3200, church relationships.
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- So we, we have four,
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- Virtually in that time period since i've been here,
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- It's the honor of my life serving these pastors.
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- They're they're incredible.
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- These guys are on the frontlines, changing culture.
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- I truly believe that everything
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- Flows downstream from theology.
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- You know, it's not even just culture we have to affect.
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- We have to start with what do we think about god?
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- What do we think about our self and god
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- If we can, if we can solve those two things?
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- All this other stuff is going to be real easy.
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- I want to ask you about a couple other things here.
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- Lucas, because you are, pastor, you're a man of faith.
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- You know your scripture,
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- And there's two things i think that are worth
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- Discussing here now.
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- And i think people deserve some clarity.
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- One is, we've heard recently that muslims
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- Actually revere jesus and they love jesus.
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- What are your thoughts when you hear people saying that?
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- Yeah.
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- So i think there's there's two ways to look at this. right.
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- So there is what the koran teaches.
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- And then there's what individual muslims hold to.
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- There are muslims who are not necessarily islamists,
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- That have been deceived by the teachings of islam.
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- And they truly believe that they are revere revering jesus.
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- And to a degree, you could make a case
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- That they view him as sinless.
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- They view him as a prophet.
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- They honor him in that way.
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- But i would i would state that if we do not
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- Acknowledge christ's divinity and his deity,
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- Then we're not truly revering him.
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- In, in the way in which he deserves.
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- Right.
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- So it could be a form of adoration.
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- Certainly.
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- But it's they're not,
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- You know, it's they're denying his divinity.
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- Then then that's not what what?
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- You know, that's not what jesus deserves.
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- And so this is actually sort of a false,
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- Sense of, you know, admiration for him as a prophet.
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- So if i want to read, it's specifically.
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- Yeah, as you say, they can say he performed miracles.
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- But why do we worship jesus and not just say that he's
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- Similar to moses or elijah or anyone else?
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- And it's specifically that he is the son of god,
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- That he died on the cross for your sins
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- And then was raised from the dead.
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- And they deny all of those things.
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- Is my understanding right?
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- So they deny that
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- They would deny that jesus was even crucified.
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- Right.
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- And so that there's a little bit of a debate within
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- Islam over that.
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- But most muslims would hold
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- That jesus was not even crucified.
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- And so, you know, of course, if they and they don't have
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- An idea of blood sacrifice, so they don't believe that,
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- They think salvation
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- Through submission plus good works,
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- Rather than there is a chasm between god and man,
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- And that because of sin
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- And it required a sacrifice in order to redeem us.
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- That's a that's a foreign concept to islam.
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- So we have to deconstruct the koran and i think
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- Show the, the, the falsity of the book itself.
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- If i think we actually want
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- To win muslims over for this, but to just blanket
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- Say that they're, you know, revering christ
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- The same way or better than christians are,
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- Without acknowledging his deity and without acknowledging
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- The crucifixion of the resurrection.
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- Pretty hard to make that claim.
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- So i'm going to give you my take on it,
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- And you tell me if i'm off base here,
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- If the muslims are revering and even loving a
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- Jesus that is not the jesus of scripture,
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- Namely the son of god,
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- Then they are revering a counterfeit jesus.
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- It is not even jesus that they are revering.
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- They are revering a historical figure.
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- Perhaps, but they have bastardized his identity.
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- So therefore it's not even the real jesus.
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- Yeah, i would say there's there's absolute truth in that.
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- I mean, you
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- Even see in the idea of islam that when they talk about,
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- You know, in kind of the final day
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- That jesus will come back
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- As a servant to allah in carrying out,
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- You know, part of the judgment against this earth.
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- And so they see it's almost like a flip
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- Over of the book of revelation, this bizarro world.
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- And and you could make a case that the way in which they see
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- Jesus is very similar to what,
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- What the bible would teach about the antichrist.
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- And so, you know, this, this concept of this,
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- This other jesus, this false gospel,
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- This framework, i think that we have to push
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- On, that we have to expose that more.
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- I mean, this is this is nature of the quran.
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- The what we know about mohammed, there's some debate.
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- If he was even a real person,
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- I give the benefit of the doubt that he was, but
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- We know that he was illiterate if he was a real person.
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- And so at best, he sort of frankenstein
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- The scriptures and the ideas of jesus.
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- Most likely he didn't even have
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- The scriptures themselves, when he was writing the quran.
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- He had probably some christian gnostic texts.
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- And that's most of the stories
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- You see from the quran or actually,
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- That have anything to do with the new testament
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- Are pulled out of gnostic test texts.
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- It's almost sort of a complete like,
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- Plagiarized version of those things.
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- So this is this is a prophet.
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- This is so-called prophet that didn't actually have
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- The scriptures, knew nothing really about the true
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- Historical jesus, had heard certain things,
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- Frame them together and cut them together in the koran.
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- And you have this amalgamation of ideas.
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- It is not the jesus of the new testament.
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- It's not the scriptures.
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- Yeah, i really encourage people.
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- It's it's a worthy exercise.
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- Go read the first lengthy, section of the quran
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- And forget the name sura or whatever
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- It is, and go, yeah, it's called the cow
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- And just and it's literally called the cow.
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- Just read it and you'll raise an eyebrow
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- Because it is like reading,
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- As you say,
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- A plagiarism or like a fanfic, almost of the bible.
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- It's all about it
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- Jumps from moses to different biblical figures,
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- And it clearly would make no sense
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- Unless you'd sort of heard about these things.
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- And yet, you know, there is in it.
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- Well, yeah.
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- More with lucas miles
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- On the other side of the break, we're going to talk about
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- The pope and all of all of that fun stuff
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- The pope and all of all of that fun stuff
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- Lucas miles, i want to tell you, i want to talk about
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- Some of the recent kerfuffle with the pope.
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- I believe that there is a concerted effort
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- To divide protestants
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- And catholics, evangelical specifically, and catholics.
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- And i haven't seen it like this in a while.
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- You know, and i think some of these comments
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- By the pope are being used to drive that wedge.
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- Some of the criticisms that i think
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- Are fair of the pope's political statements,
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- Are being used is like, oh, you're disrespecting the pope.
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- Where is the line?
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- You're an evangelical.
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- I mean,
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- The evangelical
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- Blake is a catholic, so we're sort of well-represented here.
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- Where does the line, as evangelicals
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- Of how we should approach the pope's comments?
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- We want to be respectful,
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- But we also think that there's fair commentary and critiques.
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- Yeah, absolutely.
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- So, you know, as you mentioned, i am an evangelical.
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- I do pastor in a very,
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- Catholic city in south bend, indiana.
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- It goes like the vatican, boston, and then south bend.
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- I think in terms of probably, you know, catholic
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- Population density.
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- The when we look at this, i do think
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- That conversations on this are fair game.
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- You know, people have said, well,
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- I don't want a, you know, i don't want a political pope.
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- Well,
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- I do, if that politic is based upon a biblical worldview,
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- Even though i'm not catholic
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- In the same way, i'm not a southern baptist.
- 00:10:01.629 --> 00:10:03.297
- I want the southern baptist, denomination to have a,
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- A purity to it based upon a biblical framework
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- That they follow and i want them to honor.
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- I don't want to see them get hijacked by leftists.
- 00:10:12.807 --> 00:10:15.309
- And we have two groups that i think,
- 00:10:15.309 --> 00:10:17.244
- At least two groups that are attempting
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- To hijack the catholic church right now.
- 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:20.781
- And that is this kind of liberation, theological strand
- 00:10:20.781 --> 00:10:24.618
- That's been there for a long time.
- 00:10:24.618 --> 00:10:26.320
- And you also have this integral
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- Strand that's coming in and sort of,
- 00:10:27.855 --> 00:10:29.690
- You know, trying to hijack it for, you know,
- 00:10:29.690 --> 00:10:31.358
- For political purposes as well.
- 00:10:31.358 --> 00:10:33.194
- And both are dangerous.
- 00:10:33.194 --> 00:10:34.628
- I think that the pope is should be held to a higher standard.
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- It just in the same way that any pastor is.
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- And,
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- And i think that we have an expectation that his,
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- That his ideas and his commentaries
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- Are going to be based upon a biblical worldview.
- 00:10:45.439 --> 00:10:47.608
- First and foremost, i don't mind that
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- They're necessarily catholic,
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- As long as that is
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- Is framed within, you know, and not violating scripture.
- 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:54.415
- And i think what we've seen in some of the recent comments,
- 00:10:54.415 --> 00:10:56.383
- I think it violates not only catholic teaching,
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- I think it also violates biblical teaching.
- 00:10:59.186 --> 00:11:02.089
- Blake.
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- Yeah, i, i guess i've just expressed over and over the
- 00:11:03.457 --> 00:11:06.160
- The pope is going to say what the pope says,
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- But it's it's
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- A little annoying to me if the pope is coming out,
- 00:11:09.663 --> 00:11:12.500
- For example, and just saying, as he has,
- 00:11:12.500 --> 00:11:15.202
- That lebanon is a model that we should look towards
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- For how to organize society, both because i don't see
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- Anything specifically biblical on that point of view.
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- And also lebanon is terrible.
- 00:11:25.146 --> 00:11:27.281
- Lebanon is not a great country. it's a country.
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- A lot of people have fled because it's a persistently
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- In civil war.
- 00:11:32.386 --> 00:11:33.420
- It's a country that it's not,
- 00:11:33.420 --> 00:11:35.356
- You know, it's notably not a democracy
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- In any serious way
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- Because you have all these special rules
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- Where different offices need
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- To be held by different religions.
- 00:11:41.128 --> 00:11:42.530
- Otherwise the civil war reignites.
- 00:11:42.530 --> 00:11:44.131
- Again, you're literally
- 00:11:44.131 --> 00:11:45.833
- Not allowed to speak with an israeli
- 00:11:45.833 --> 00:11:47.802
- Because that's also cause drama there.
- 00:11:47.802 --> 00:11:49.637
- It's one problem after another.
- 00:11:49.637 --> 00:11:51.639
- And okay, the pope can have opinions
- 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:53.941
- Like anyone else, but he does have to be careful
- 00:11:53.941 --> 00:11:56.410
- When he says things because he's in an office
- 00:11:56.410 --> 00:11:58.779
- That's 2000 years old and has a lot of moral weight to it,
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- And if he's going to say,
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- For example, peace is good, go for it.
- 00:12:03.951 --> 00:12:05.653
- If he's going to say
- 00:12:05.653 --> 00:12:07.288
- And he'll say things that i agree with a lot.
- 00:12:07.288 --> 00:12:09.890
- He's condemned assisted suicide.
- 00:12:09.890 --> 00:12:11.325
- He's condemned abortion still.
- 00:12:11.325 --> 00:12:13.027
- But he has to be careful
- 00:12:13.027 --> 00:12:14.895
- When he's saying things that are just purely
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- Basically a political point of view,
- 00:12:16.397 --> 00:12:17.998
- And they're not rooted in a view the church has had for,
- 00:12:17.998 --> 00:12:21.468
- You know, thousands of years or something
- 00:12:21.468 --> 00:12:23.904
- That's clear cut in the bible.
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- And sometimes he does do that.
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- Yeah.
- 00:12:29.009 --> 00:12:30.211
- I think that, you know, we saw this on the iran situation.
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- We saw,
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- I mean, kind of a total violation
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- Even of catholic ideas, just war theory is, you know,
- 00:12:34.348 --> 00:12:37.751
- Augustine and thomas aquinas, you know,
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- And so there seem
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- To be no acknowledgment of any validity there
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- When you're pushing this idea
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- That you know that anything other than peace
- 00:12:44.491 --> 00:12:46.894
- Is not a christian option or an or an idea.
- 00:12:46.894 --> 00:12:49.563
- Part of just war theory is that war has to be a last resort.
- 00:12:49.563 --> 00:12:53.133
- And when you see negotiations and look, we can
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- We can talk about
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- Individual war, whether or not it fits into just war theory,
- 00:12:56.737 --> 00:12:58.539
- But just just keeping that on the table
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- As christians thinking about this,
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- That we have ways in which we've dealt with this theology
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- To sort through, conflicts, to sort through, the,
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- The just sort of the art of, of nation building
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- And what that looks like.
- 00:13:13.387 --> 00:13:14.588
- And how do we navigate that from a christian standpoint.
- 00:13:14.588 --> 00:13:17.291
- And i do i have a higher level of expectation.
- 00:13:17.291 --> 00:13:19.760
- I think the pope would benefit from coming to a tpac
- 00:13:19.760 --> 00:13:21.896
- Faith pastors conference, and he's welcoming the bible.
- 00:13:21.896 --> 00:13:24.365
- It's going to put that out there.
- 00:13:24.365 --> 00:13:25.266
- Well said that.
- 00:13:25.266 --> 00:13:26.233
- There it is.
- 00:13:26.233 --> 00:13:27.101
- Full circle there, lucas. well done.
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- Yeah.
- 00:13:29.069 --> 00:13:29.837
- I mean, listen, here's the thing.
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- I my heart is for an ecumenical stance within christians,
- 00:13:31.038 --> 00:13:34.174
- Both catholic and protestant, within the united states,
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- That we stay united in at least our politics.
- 00:13:36.543 --> 00:13:40.147
- Blake is right.
- 00:13:40.147 --> 00:13:41.282
- We have we have significant theological differences.
- 00:13:41.282 --> 00:13:43.417
- Sometimes those can be vexing.
- 00:13:43.417 --> 00:13:44.952
- Sometimes those can, cause a little bit of strain.
- 00:13:44.952 --> 00:13:47.488
- But we have to see the big picture.
- 00:13:47.488 --> 00:13:49.123
- I will never believe that, my differences,
- 00:13:49.123 --> 00:13:53.060
- With catholics about, you know, issues of theology
- 00:13:53.060 --> 00:13:56.897
- Outweigh my issues with islam, for example.
- 00:13:56.897 --> 00:13:59.667
- So i will
- 00:13:59.667 --> 00:14:00.801
- I will take partnership with the catholics, you know,
- 00:14:00.801 --> 00:14:04.104
- Eight days out of the week over the alternative.
- 00:14:04.104 --> 00:14:07.408
- So, yes, there are
- 00:14:07.408 --> 00:14:08.809
- There are theological differences,
- 00:14:08.809 --> 00:14:10.044
- But we need to stick together and we need to stay united,
- 00:14:10.044 --> 00:14:12.980
- Especially politically,
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- When we think about the pro-life cause,
- 00:14:13.914 --> 00:14:15.282
- When we think about,
- 00:14:15.282 --> 00:14:16.383
- You know, when we think about the
- 00:14:16.383 --> 00:14:17.885
- Direction of our country or school boards or
- 00:14:17.885 --> 00:14:20.587
- Our, our kids, there is so much more
- 00:14:20.587 --> 00:14:22.222
- That brings us together than what separates us.
- 00:14:22.222 --> 00:14:24.591
- And i know that charlie felt the same.
- 00:14:24.591 --> 00:14:25.960
- I was, born into a catholic family.
- 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.429
- We sort of were very poor catholics.
- 00:14:28.429 --> 00:14:30.597
- So i ended up becoming
- 00:14:30.597 --> 00:14:32.099
- A christian in college,
- 00:14:32.099 --> 00:14:33.200
- In the protestant evangelical tradition.
- 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:35.235
- But i love catholics.
- 00:14:35.235 --> 00:14:36.437
- And, father chuck for my high school was still in touch.
- 00:14:36.437 --> 00:14:39.440
- So, anyways, my hope and my prayer
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- For the american church is that we remain united against
- 00:14:41.408 --> 00:14:44.545
- Common, more existential, forces that we need to
- 00:14:44.545 --> 00:14:48.983
- We need to defeat, lucas one more times.
- 00:14:48.983 --> 00:14:51.785
- Preston would give us the dates.
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- Crestwood baptist,
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- It is our next make heaven crowded tour stop.
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- It's april 29th.
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- Next wednesday, we have a jet.
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- Pastor jack graham, eric kirk,
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- Myself, george janko, ali, beth stuckey, mark walker.
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- Going to be an action packed night.
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- Go to make heaven
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- Crowded tour.com to sign up with other dates
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- All across the country. check them out there.
- 00:15:11.939 --> 00:15:13.674
- Well done lucas, we'll see you again soon. good job
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- Well done lucas, we'll see you again soon. good job
- 00:15:19.008 --> 00:15:23.688
- All right, without further ado, i want to bring in
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- Scott jennings who is a great american.
- 00:15:26.324 --> 00:15:29.227
- And just he's been a great friend.
- 00:15:29.227 --> 00:15:30.928
- And he is such a strong voice for conservatism
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- In some of the hardest places you can imagine, namely cnn.
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- Scott, welcome back to the show, andrew.
- 00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:38.703
- Good to hear your voice.
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- Yeah, you too brother.
- 00:15:39.670 --> 00:15:40.671
- You, you're on capitol hill today?
- 00:15:40.671 --> 00:15:43.307
- So which is not your normal stomping grounds
- 00:15:43.307 --> 00:15:46.411
- Unless you're mixing it up with the cnn folks.
- 00:15:46.411 --> 00:15:49.180
- But here, let's just give us your stick.
- 00:15:49.180 --> 00:15:52.116
- I want to do 30,000ft with scott jennings.
- 00:15:52.116 --> 00:15:54.552
- The state of the movement, the state of the country
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- Right now, and where we need to go next.
- 00:15:56.687 --> 00:15:59.924
- Well, state of the movement right now
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- Is, a little unsettled, but i think we all need to realize
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- What's at stake in november.
- 00:16:05.329 --> 00:16:06.764
- I mean, i say this a lot, and i know
- 00:16:06.764 --> 00:16:08.733
- Charlie felt strongly about this, too.
- 00:16:08.733 --> 00:16:10.768
- The future of western civilization is at stake.
- 00:16:10.768 --> 00:16:12.904
- I mean, i look at what's going on
- 00:16:12.904 --> 00:16:14.338
- Just in the last few days, few weeks,
- 00:16:14.338 --> 00:16:16.641
- Our opponents have become even more radical.
- 00:16:16.641 --> 00:16:19.077
- And yet, democrat members of congress
- 00:16:19.077 --> 00:16:20.778
- And, democrat elected officials in spain over the weekend,
- 00:16:20.778 --> 00:16:24.248
- Effectively telling a bunch of socialists
- 00:16:24.248 --> 00:16:25.983
- That we need to overthrow the u.s government.
- 00:16:25.983 --> 00:16:28.719
- They're still committed
- 00:16:28.719 --> 00:16:29.887
- To this unfettered illegal immigration, getting people
- 00:16:29.887 --> 00:16:32.523
- Here, keeping people here even if they're violent.
- 00:16:32.523 --> 00:16:35.259
- I mean, we're not really arguing
- 00:16:35.259 --> 00:16:36.561
- About politics as usual.
- 00:16:36.561 --> 00:16:37.929
- We're arguing about the future of our country
- 00:16:37.929 --> 00:16:39.664
- And the future of the west.
- 00:16:39.664 --> 00:16:40.832
- And so the state
- 00:16:40.832 --> 00:16:41.866
- Of the movement ought to be, andrew,
- 00:16:41.866 --> 00:16:43.835
- Understanding the stakes.
- 00:16:43.835 --> 00:16:45.336
- We're not playing small ball here.
- 00:16:45.336 --> 00:16:47.004
- Everything is on the line. that's my view.
- 00:16:47.004 --> 00:16:48.639
- I totally agree with that.
- 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:49.841
- And we had a guest on, joshua hames, who's great,
- 00:16:49.841 --> 00:16:52.877
- Who divided the coalition into the neocons,
- 00:16:52.877 --> 00:16:55.913
- The patriots, the plan tricksters, the dissidents
- 00:16:55.913 --> 00:16:59.183
- That, feel like it's their job to hold the admins
- 00:16:59.183 --> 00:17:01.953
- Feet to the fire, but they're supportive.
- 00:17:01.953 --> 00:17:03.588
- And then the acceleration is.
- 00:17:03.588 --> 00:17:04.922
- And i think that's a pretty good taxonomy
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- About how the base is actually divided.
- 00:17:06.791 --> 00:17:08.793
- And by the way,
- 00:17:08.793 --> 00:17:09.927
- The acceleration is want to pull the dissidents away
- 00:17:09.927 --> 00:17:12.029
- And the neocons want to pull the, the,
- 00:17:12.029 --> 00:17:14.031
- The planned thrusters away
- 00:17:14.031 --> 00:17:15.533
- And drive a stake right in the middle. divide us.
- 00:17:15.533 --> 00:17:17.668
- We have to stay united because your point is well made.
- 00:17:17.668 --> 00:17:20.505
- Democrats are unacceptable.
- 00:17:21.105 --> 00:17:22.406
- We cannot go that way for another 10 million invasion
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- In our country.
- 00:17:25.243 --> 00:17:26.110
- I want to show you,
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- Chris murphy, senator chris murphy's tweet here.
- 00:17:27.178 --> 00:17:29.380
- Says at least 26
- 00:17:29.380 --> 00:17:30.515
- Iranian shadow fleet vessels bypass your us blockade.
- 00:17:30.515 --> 00:17:33.985
- He he responds, awesome.
- 00:17:33.985 --> 00:17:36.320
- And then you
- 00:17:36.320 --> 00:17:37.922
- You gotta love senator, senator, fetterman,
- 00:17:37.922 --> 00:17:41.893
- Who just kind of calls a spade a spade.
- 00:17:41.893 --> 00:17:43.628
- And he says, yeah, my country is rooting for iran.
- 00:17:43.628 --> 00:17:45.630
- Sot 19 a lot of people in my party
- 00:17:45.630 --> 00:17:47.899
- And a lot of people in the media
- 00:17:47.899 --> 00:17:49.534
- Has has turned iran into the underdog.
- 00:17:49.534 --> 00:17:52.336
- You know, they're like rudy
- 00:17:52.336 --> 00:17:53.604
- And putting them up on their shoulders
- 00:17:53.604 --> 00:17:55.072
- And cheering for iran at this point.
- 00:17:55.072 --> 00:17:56.908
- It's absurd. it's absurd.
- 00:17:56.908 --> 00:17:59.610
- You know, i'm going to, you know, back, you know,
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- You know, the president i'm going to back our military
- 00:18:02.613 --> 00:18:05.316
- In israel through until that 60 days is triggered.
- 00:18:05.316 --> 00:18:08.953
- And then there's an opportunity to extend that by 30 days,
- 00:18:08.953 --> 00:18:12.190
- No matter how many times you're going to vote no, no, no.
- 00:18:12.190 --> 00:18:15.793
- Listen, i was skeptical about the war.
- 00:18:15.793 --> 00:18:17.628
- I didn't want to go in. i'll just be candid.
- 00:18:17.628 --> 00:18:19.564
- The cards on the table. but once you made
- 00:18:19.564 --> 00:18:20.965
- That decision, i'm going to back our guys.
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- Okay, scott, your reaction first.
- 00:18:23.267 --> 00:18:26.070
- Well, i totally agree with you.
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- Whether you were
- 00:18:27.538 --> 00:18:28.506
- Hesitant about this or all in, once america
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- Is involved in a conflict, can't we root for america?
- 00:18:31.409 --> 00:18:34.178
- Why can't people tell the difference
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- Between the good guys and the bad guys here?
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- That's number one.
- 00:18:37.815 --> 00:18:38.883
- Number two,
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- If anybody watched 60 minutes on sunday night,
- 00:18:39.917 --> 00:18:42.053
- I mean, you've got the un and other weapons experts
- 00:18:42.053 --> 00:18:44.789
- Saying, yes, iran has 970 pounds of enriched uranium.
- 00:18:44.789 --> 00:18:48.859
- We know they have it.
- 00:18:48.859 --> 00:18:49.860
- That's enough to make 10 or 11 nuclear bombs.
- 00:18:49.860 --> 00:18:52.263
- So donald trump has always said from the beginning,
- 00:18:52.263 --> 00:18:54.999
- I will not allow these people to build
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- And possess a nuclear weapon.
- 00:18:57.101 --> 00:18:58.703
- That's essentially what he's executing on.
- 00:18:58.703 --> 00:19:01.339
- So we're in it.
- 00:19:01.339 --> 00:19:02.406
- We want to take away their ability
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- To have nuclear weapons, and that's
- 00:19:03.708 --> 00:19:05.343
- Really the bottom line, i think, for american goals.
- 00:19:05.343 --> 00:19:09.146
- And yet
- 00:19:09.146 --> 00:19:09.747
- And yet
- 00:19:09.747 --> 00:19:10.414
- You have democrats out here
- 00:19:10.414 --> 00:19:11.716
- Cheerleading for the iranian regime,
- 00:19:11.716 --> 00:19:13.985
- Hoping for bad outcomes.
- 00:19:13.985 --> 00:19:15.353
- They hate donald trump more than they love america.
- 00:19:15.353 --> 00:19:18.656
- That is basically the ideology of a major political party
- 00:19:18.656 --> 00:19:22.660
- In this country right now.
- 00:19:22.660 --> 00:19:24.028
- And the risks of putting them back in charge
- 00:19:24.028 --> 00:19:26.497
- Or whatever divisions or, you know, little buckets
- 00:19:26.497 --> 00:19:29.967
- We're in as conservatives,
- 00:19:29.967 --> 00:19:31.502
- The wages of putting those people back in charge
- 00:19:31.502 --> 00:19:34.105
- Are absolutely, severe.
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- This is a scott
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- That's all accurate and it's very disturbing.
- 00:19:38.276 --> 00:19:40.878
- They're doing that.
- 00:19:40.878 --> 00:19:41.879
- But we can see why they might be doing that,
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- Which is we can look at the polls.
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- The conflict with iran was started
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- With not a ton of buy in.
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- And i don't think that biden is going up as it extends on.
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- So even if the goal is just iran
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- Cannot have a nuclear weapon, what's either
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- The best way to make this case going forward, or what
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- Should the agenda be for the administration?
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- How much runway do they have to get this wrapped up?
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- Do you think?
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- Well, great question.
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- I mean, my view is national security ought to be run
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- Based on goals, not on daily tracking polls.
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- And so if i'm donald trump, we're in this war.
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- He had a goal.
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- And he has a mission to keep them
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- From getting a nuclear weapon.
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- You really can't end it until you tell
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- The american people you've taken it away.
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- I think to end it prematurely would actually be
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- You just want to look at it purely politically.
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- That would be the worst politics,
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- Because then you've gone in
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- And you didn't actually achieve what you said
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- You wanted to achieve as your principal goal.
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- So you've got to do this,
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- And i think we're on the brink of doing it.
- 00:20:38.035 --> 00:20:39.537
- I mean, look,
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- I think the president, frankly, has always had
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- Pretty good instincts when it comes to iran.
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- He had him in the first term.
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- I think he actually has a right now have a lot of,
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- Confidence of what the us military is able to do
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- When you take him off the leash,
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- Which we've seen over the last few weeks.
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- So, you know,
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- I put my trust in the president on this, by the way,
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- We all debate these things.
- 00:20:56.854 --> 00:20:57.988
- I debate him every night on cnn.
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- He knows more than we do.
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- He sees things we don't see.
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- He has information we're not privy to.
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- And so i'm just choosing to say, look,
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- I voted for a commander in chief here.
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- I made a choice.
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- And when you vote for a commander in chief,
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- You've got to trust their judgment.
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- That's where i am on this.
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- And, look at the end of this thing.
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- My view is that he says we went in.
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- They no longer possess the ability
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- To have a nuclear weapon.
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- The american people will say, oh, well, that was a good idea.
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- And that was worth it.
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- Because if you look at some of the other polls,
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- They agree with his broad goals.
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- No nukes, no exporting of terror, you know, and so on.
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- And so if the american people agree with the goals
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- And then you achieve the goals a reasonable amount of time,
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- Which i think we're still within that window,
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- It will ultimately be viewed as a, as a successful operation.
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- Yeah, i agree, i agree that there is a potential
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- Upswing here.
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- If we can wrap this thing up and achieve the stated goals,
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- Namely putting excavators in there with u.s.
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- Officials, digging up the the uranium,
- 00:21:52.276 --> 00:21:54.545
- I think that would be a really powerful visual for the world.
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- I worry that iran
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- Are just a bunch of liars and this is what they do.
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- They drag things out.
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- So i guess the question that a lot of people are asking right
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- Now, scott, is where you have our negotiators going to iran
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- And you got, i think it's wyckoff, kushner and jd again,
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- They're going
- 00:22:13.964 --> 00:22:15.032
- We're assuming they're going to play games with us.
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- Do you bomb when the when president trump's,
- 00:22:17.635 --> 00:22:20.471
- You know,
- 00:22:20.771 --> 00:22:21.772
- Timeline comes to an end, do you just start
- 00:22:21.772 --> 00:22:23.007
- Do you start bombing or do you extend the timeline.
- 00:22:23.007 --> 00:22:24.909
- What would be your advice to the president?
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- I think they've extended the cease fire by one day.
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- I don't think the vice president
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- Actually left washington
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- As we record this interview right now.
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- And so there's obviously
- 00:22:34.385 --> 00:22:35.586
- We're in a little bit of a of a murky period.
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- My view is, is you go you go in good faith.
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- You try to get a deal
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- That takes the nuclear weapons away.
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- And if you sense that they are lying,
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- If you sense that they are jerking
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- You around,
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- If you sense that they just are not operating in good faith,
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- Then you have to go in and and and enforce your mission here.
- 00:22:51.135 --> 00:22:53.938
- And the mission is to, take away their nuclear weapons.
- 00:22:53.938 --> 00:22:56.707
- I mean, the president, i think, wants peace.
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- And i think he's showing some restraint right now.
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- I actually think the naval blockade
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- Was a stroke of genius.
- 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:04.248
- I agree, and and that's all working.
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- But at some point, i agree with your statement.
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- They're liars. look, you can't trust these folks.
- 00:23:08.853 --> 00:23:11.455
- The only way to enforce an agreement with
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- These kinds of people is to is to really,
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- Put them in a position
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- Where they have no choice but to comply.
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- So we'll find out more.
- 00:23:19.396 --> 00:23:20.431
- As i said, i'm
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- Going to trust the president's instincts
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- And the information that he has on this.
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