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Had a
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Late night, getting here, and it's been, it's been
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A bit of a whirlwind for me personally, but i'm very glad
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To be back in phoenix after our event yesterday
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At the university of georgia in athens, georgia.
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And it was quite the quite the event.
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I will say it was one that will stand out for me.
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As far as what i remember,
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I mean, we've had so many
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Events over the years it was, it was an eventful night.
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But let's get into some of the the clips here,
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Because i think it's really
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Again, the important piece is what was discussed.
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And tens of thousands, maybe millions,
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As i'm sure actually millions have seen.
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Let's just dive into it. let's dive into it.
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I think,
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One of the best things you can do at
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These events is you can just tout wins
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That aren't talked about enough.
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I think one of my favorites is he just
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He mentions, guys, the number of new h1 bs,
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Which we hear about from students all the time.
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It is down 90%.
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Clip three the asylum process was i mean, there were
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Guys there were literally millions of people
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Coming into the united states
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Every single year on false asylum claims.
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We have those claims down something like north of 95%.
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I'm very proud of what we done in the trump administration,
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Massive reductions in fraudulent visas,
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Massive reductions
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In fraudulent number of asylum claims, massive reduction
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In h-1b visas granted or make it a lot of progress.
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It was a tremendous
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A tremendous, evening at the university of georgia.
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And i.
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So the one of the things i just want to start
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Because we kind of skipped over this clip.
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Vice president vance, defensive erica,
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I thought was just,
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Kind of a beautiful moment, but also, actually,
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With everything that's going on with savannah
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Hernandez, he mentioned
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That he talked with fbi director kash patel about that.
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That one kash patel on the way down here.
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And i said, i assume that we're doing something here.
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And he said, yes, we've had multiple agents on the ground.
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We've already talked to savannah.
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Savannah, we're gonna use the video
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To try to go after the people who assaulted her
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And then try to defund the networks
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That fund those radicals
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Who are going around assaulting activists.
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That's what we should be doing.
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I'm reminded and i mentioned it
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Actually this morning on another media hit, i did.
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But the i always think back to when i charles,
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I think it was charles, actually this last text
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To stephen miller talking about defunding the networks
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Of these left wing,
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You know, essentially domestic terrorists that are trying
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To come after us and hurt us and, all the stuff.
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And it's critically important.
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And scott besson at treasury is still working on this.
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So we monitor that very closely because it's so important,
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Because a lot of these groups,
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They really do need to be dismantled.
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And they've gone away for years.
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They got away with nobody seriously policing them.
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We've got i mean, we've had that report the other day,
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Which we'll hopefully cover in the next few days,
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Where the the biden administration
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Put all its focus on investigating
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Pro-life demonstrators, including people who just
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Prayed outside of clinics and then people who besieged
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Federal courthouses, people who planned to disrupt
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Conservative events, assault conservative speakers, assault
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Conservative grassroots activists.
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They get away with everything. yeah.
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There was another great moment,
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Actually, with a, student asked question,
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And i believe she was indian, and she was saying,
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You know, about this conversation about immigration.
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You know, you're you're plotting the decrease
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In illegal immigration, which, again, we're going
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To get into with alex marlow at the top of our two,
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What about me?
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My parents, the and, you know, how is that america first?
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What's the answer?
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How do you how do you bring both these sides together?
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And i thought jd did a phenomenal job
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Talking about what is america first.
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What are our obligations to american citizens.
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Sot 11 creating an american again, a kind person.
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They probably didn't
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Vote for me
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After this conversation, but he was kind of
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Sticking his finger in my face saying, you need to
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To support my country, you need to support my country.
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And i said, sir, with all due respect,
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If you're an american,
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Your country is the
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United states of america,
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Not a place that you immigrated from, whenever that was.
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Whether your family's been here for 300 years or one second,
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To be an american means to look out for americans first
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And that's the perspective we have to
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Take to our immigration policy.
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Yep. amen.
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I mean, that's a tough thing because you think jd's
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Married to indian family, and he's got this
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Indian student asking him about what?
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About legal immigrants like my parents.
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It's, it's not it's not the easiest question,
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But it also, it's a good it's also a great shield.
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Of course,
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It gives him some serious, some serious, upper hand.
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Yeah.
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There was another one here about jd.
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And let me see. i'm looking for the clip.
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Oh. the epstein. yeah.
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So so it's funny because, you know, we're getting people
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Tell us, wrap it up, wrap it up, wrap it up,
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And jd just goes, just one more.
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That's a good, good.
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One more.
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And, you know, we have no idea what
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The question is going to be. of course, it's about epstein.
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And i thought i dealt with it really, really well.
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It's not for what you see in those emails
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Is that jeffrey epstein hated donald trump,
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And donald trump hated jeffrey epstein.
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In fact,
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One of the emails
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Is about donald trump knocking on jeffrey epstein
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To the local sheriff, saying, this guy's a scumbag.
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You should go and pick him up.
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So when donald trump says, when the president says
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This is a hoax,
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He's not saying it's a hoax, that epstein was a scumbag.
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He's not saying that it's a hoax,
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That epstein was connected to powerful people.
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He's saying
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This democratic idea that somehow he was epstein's
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Best friend. that is a hoax.
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And if you look at the emails, it's obvious
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That jeffrey epstein hated donald j. trump.
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And by the way, one of the best signs is for
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Whether you're a good person or not,
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For whether you're a decent human being
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Is if the worst people in the world hate your guts.
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The fact that jeffrey epstein hates donald j.
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Trump is a pretty good thing for donald j.
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Trump.
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I think vance, he faces a lot of tough tests.
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I think the administration,
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Almost in a calculated way, gives him tough jobs.
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But it's like that meme
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You can find online, like with jesus.
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And it's like, stop giving me your toughest battles.
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You are my best soldier.
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And i think that's how vance's distinguishing self.
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He is a very good soldier
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For the administration and for the movement.
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Yeah, and i would be remiss if i didn't.
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He also mentioned during the event that, one of his sons,
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Got baptized, right? oh, yeah. yeah.
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You're right, you're right. it was.
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That's very good.
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Yeah.
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Which is
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I think it was interesting because we, we
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We started the conversation
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Talking about the attacks on erica and both
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The social media attacks and now, you know, actual,
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You know, threats against her.
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And then we kind of went into his catholic faith,
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And then he's coming out with a book called communion
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That apparently he's been writing for nine,
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Ten years,
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Called, you know, communion, which is very catholic.
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It's a very catholic title.
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And then we got into the pope
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And then, you know, his son
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Getting baptized when he got baptized.
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And it's something
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That is interesting about the entire story of jd vance,
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Because he said at the memorial,
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I have talked about god more in the last two weeks
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Than i have in my entire public life.
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And it's it's promising to see
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One of the leaders of the free world,
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The second most powerful man
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In america, continue to talk about jesus,
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Talk about his faith, his conversion.
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And then you see his son get baptized.
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Yes. yeah.
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And it's it's something that they take a lot of scrutiny for
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Because usa obviously is is not.
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And i think it's
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Really admirable of the way
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He navigates that in a very complicated,
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You know, media environment
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And the way he does it with grace and class
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And dignity while respecting his family.
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I, i just have tipton.
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I think he's very he's very talented.
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It they put him through a lot of tests,
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A lot of challenges.
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I think he steps up to it very well. well.
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And by the way, he just flew to islamabad
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And then back and then like, i mean, he had flown to europe
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And hungary before that.
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And i joked at one point i was like,
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Do you know what time zone you're on?
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It's like, i have, i have no idea where i'm at.
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Fair enough.
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All right.
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We're going to be back with mark halperin in just a minute.
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Don't go anywhere.
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Don't go anywhere.
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All right.
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Welcoming back to the show is one of our favorite guests.
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That's mark halperin.
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He's the editor in chief today.
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And next up on the mac and kelly network.
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Mark, welcome back.
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Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen,
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I only have one question for you.
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How long?
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How long would the vice president have to have gone
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Listing his favorite shows before he got to?
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One of mine is you guys were.
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You guys were first.
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And i was like, well,
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It's a natural progression to go from
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Your show to my show, but i'm glad you saw that clip
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Because i will admit that i was genuinely surprised
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He he name dropped the show and i was great before it,
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Of course, but it was not planned.
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I did not put him up.
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I yeah, sure i did keep a teleprompter.
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I almost brought the clip with me.
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Like i was like, you know,
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Hugh grant coming on your show with a clip.
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I was like, do we have a clip? let's roll the clip.
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Congratulations. we didn't play that.
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That was pretty good.
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We should have played that.
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I figured you guys would be playing it all morning.
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Listen, we are honored that
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The vice president is a listener and a watcher.
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And he does. by the way, he tells me backstage.
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He's like, all i really do.
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It's like the way he stays,
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You know, somewhat informed on some of the,
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Our, our audience and the bass and the movement
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And a lot of people listen to it for that.
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I get so many emails from reporters
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Like yourself, mark that that use it to stay in touch.
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Yeah. well, congratulations.
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And i'm sorry. real quick.
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You did a great job yesterday under trying circumstances, so.
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Thank you. congratulations. i was on it.
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I was honored to do it. i was very honored to do it.
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And, you know,
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I will have to get it framed so my kids believe it happened.
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Some day. yeah.
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But it was an honor honored to do it.
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And he did a phenomenal job.
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I thought he he answered the questions
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Brilliantly and made some news, actually.
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So the i want to get to the democrat side of things
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Soon, but i just have to ask this,
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This foreign policy issue within our base
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Is always been the most, i guess, the largest struggle,
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Because the coalition is so, fractured on this issue.
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Yeah.
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Iran, we hear now that president trump is going
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To be opening
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The state permanently and that china
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Had a role to play with it.
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How big of a deal do you think, just
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From a political calculation standpoint, is it that we
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Get this wrapped up quickly?
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Well, i think it's
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More important from the political side
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To make it wrap up well rather than quickly.
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And i think you see
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In parts of the party, not just the neo cons,
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But people who are supportive of israel,
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Whether they're neocons or not,
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Who who say the president shouldn't take a bad deal.
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I think the challenge, besides the political clock is
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People i talked to who are more expert than i am,
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No one really knows.
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Are the iranians going to, make a good deal from the point
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Of the united states
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More under pressure or under less pressure
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Because the history of the regime long term, over decades,
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But also during this war, is
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They don't like to be backed into a corner.
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They don't like to
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They don't like to look like they're losing.
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So i think the president would like to end it.
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I know he would.
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He tells people regularly he'd like to end it,
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But he can't end it on terms that are not great
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For the united states and for israel and for the world.
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And so, like i said, i think it's more important,
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And the substance, but also for him politically, it's
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Much more important to end it well than end it quickly.
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Now, i think that's fair.
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And that's basically listen,
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I was not super enthusiastic about the iran strategy.
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I, i, i understand the arguments.
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I can get behind it.
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I can give the president, you know, some, some,
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Some patience to do it.
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I mean, this is why we elected him, right?
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And this
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I think i don't
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I don't want to put words in charlie's mouth,
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But that's certainly what he said
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When operation midnight hammer happened.
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Right?
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That this is why we elected president trump
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To make these types of tough decisions.
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But there's no doubt
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It's been a challenge from a coalition standpoint.
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And you've seen that play out in public very much.
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But i do agree that we've got to do it right.
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Like once you can't put that, pace
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Back in the tube, as it were.
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This war is happening
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And it's ongoing and we want it to end well.
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So i agree with that assessment.
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Mark halperin,
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I want to get into the democrat side of the ledger here.
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Obviously, there was have been a ton of news about swalwell.
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But it hasn't.
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You know, i kind of thought this would be,
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You know,
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The end of the california gubernatorial discussion
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Because we didn't have the jungle primaries.
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But a new report from cnn this morning
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Says that gavin newsom
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Is working the phones because there's still concern
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That the democrat side is too fractured.
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Top 14 california's governor, gavin newsom, is facing
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Growing pressure now from top democrats to help clean up.
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What is the scrambled situation left
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In the wake of the allegations
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Of sexual misconduct and assault by eric swalwell,
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The whole thing
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Having also rocked the race for california's governor,
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According to a dozen leading democrats, newsom has now been
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In a marathon of calls and meetings about this race
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The race to replace him as he's term limited
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With swalwell out of that race, as well as out of a
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Seat in congress, there are now seven democrats
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In the running and two republicans.
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Swalwell had been considered a frontrunner until the events
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And the allegations that surfaced in the past week.
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And now there are a lot of concerns
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And what has long been a democratic led state
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Among democrats, that a fractured race here
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Now could mean democrats could get locked out.
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Given the way that california's elections are set up.
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So what do you see happening here?
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The betting market's favorite, tom steyer.
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But he's crazy.
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I mean, he's
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Literally just
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You just really want to just drag ice agents into prison.
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His whole, immigration plan is arrest ice agents.
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Look,
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Tom steyer is logically
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The most likely person
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To be
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The next governor of california
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Now because he's got unlimited money.
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And that's a factor in his poll standing is okay.
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And, again, california elections
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A little bit unusual, too.
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Everybody runs on one ballot and then the top two,
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Regardless of party go in the general election.
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But, there's all sorts of reasons
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To think that as my friend brit
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Hume likes to say, the dog won't eat the dog food, that no
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Matter how much he spends on tv ads, he's not,
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Voters aren't going to vote for him.
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And then you've got a math game of
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If you assume the electorate is 35% republican,
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Or 40% of republicans,
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Plus independents who might vote for a republican,
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And two candidates split that,
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And then seven candidates split the other 60%.
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You could see why democrats are worried
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That they may not make the runoff.
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Now, if either of the republicans
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Gets elected governor, they'll be recalled.
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Almost certainly
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A process will probably begin
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Right away if if both republicans
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Are the ones
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Who get to the final round so they have a problem.
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Unless one of the democrats catches on.
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And the view of many democrats in california,
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I haven't talked to governor newsom about it,
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But i wouldn't be surprised
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If the people around him and maybe he thought this as well.
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Right now, he couldn't bet
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On any of these democrats to catch on.
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People are saying steyer because he's rich.
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Some of the organizations the liberal groups have
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Who endorsed swalwell have switched to steyer.
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But they're worried, and and look,
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I think tailteann could beat steyer, potentially.
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Most people don't.
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But i think he could
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Because he's got a lot of weaknesses as a candidate.
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So, mark, i kind of want to
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Take a long view just because you're experienced
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And you've seen this play out.
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So as we mentioned, steyer is positioning himself with this
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Pretty radical view on his base,
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Basically saying he'll declare them like a criminal gang.
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And yeah,
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Prosecute federal agents in his state.
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So one, do you think if elected, he'll actually do
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Something like that?
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And two, if he does, how do you foresee that playing out?
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Because we've seen democrats sort of feint in that direction
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During some of the anti-tax sentiment surges.
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I know larry
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Krasner in philadelphia has talked about it,
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But no one's really taken the plunge.
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If they were to do that,
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What impact do you see having it on the immigration
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Debate and on the country? yeah,
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I know it's fashionable in certain circles
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Around this program
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To say that gavin newsom is a crazy liberal.
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And on some issues, he's pretty liberal.
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But gavin newsom is, is barry goldwater
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Compared to a lot of the democrats
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Who are in this race, including on some issues, tom steyer
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And of course,
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The fashionable thing, the easy thing
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To do in democratic politics now is to go to the far left
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To try to win over the base,
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The party, to get into the final two.
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Would he be able to enact this stuff?
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The legislature is very liberal.
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I don't know what kind of governor he'd be,
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Not just ideologically,
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But whether he'd be able to get things done.
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He's a business guy,
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And although he's run
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For public office, he's never been in public office.
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So i suspect, that if he did win,
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He would govern from the left, because that would be the path
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Of least resistance with the red just legislature.
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And i think president trump will have a lot of work
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To do to deal with a governor besides gavin newsom.
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If it's someone to the far left.
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For two years.
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And,
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And in the state where one in every seven american lives.
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All right, mark halperin, stay right there.
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We're going to talk about kamala harris
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And the seven dwarfs.
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That's a quote from your show, not from you.
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But we're going to talk about 2028 in the democrat field,
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How it's shaping up, because it's actually some
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We haven't talked about on the show yet.
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And i think it's just just about time
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And i think it's just just about time
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Mark halperin from two way tv.
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And i just quoted your show.
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Mark, i don't know if have, if you remember that moment,
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But kamala harris and the seven dwarves
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Go ahead and throw up this image, of the
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Individuals that are suspected to be running for president
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In 2028.
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On the democrat side of the ledger,
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We've got jb pritzker, who charlie always used to
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Say was born on third and thought he had a triple
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A aoc, alexandria ocasio-cortez, wes moore,
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Of course, gavin newsom, kamala harris, pete buttigieg,
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Shapiro and gretchen whitmer.
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Is this what he was referring to?
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And are those the seven dwarves with kamala?
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What's going to happen?
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Well, i don't think, half those people
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Will end up running, probably, just fyi, or at least
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So you know, my opinion.
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I, you know, right now everybody's making a lot
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Of assumptions about who's going to run and including her.
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And although she leaned
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Into a little bit with al sharpton,
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I don't think she crossed any rubicon.
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I'm not sure who's going to run.
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I think that a lot of people,
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Who are thinking of running
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Are going to think about what it might do to their family,
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Are going to think
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About the fundraising, realities of running and,
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And may take a past people who are sort of assumed
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To be candidates.
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Harris is a puzzle.
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Some of my sources say she's the favorite.
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Some of them think she shouldn't be in the top eight.
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And that's true of some of the other cancers.
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Pete buttigieg
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I've grown increasingly bullish on his prospects, but
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I have great sources who say, no, he's got no chance.
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I think the biggest two questions,
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Not about the candidates and that matters most,
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But we don't know who's going to run yet.
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One is will the liberal wing of the party,
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The progressive wing of the party, pick the nominee?
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I think bernie sanders would have been the nominee
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In 2016 and 2020 at the democrats hadn't
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Read the system against him.
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Who's who?
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How powerful is that wing of the party?
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And if and if it is powerful, who's the person?
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Because right now the people you showed
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Really only aoc is of that wing of the party.
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And then the second question is, there's a lot of people
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In the party
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Who say, given the experience of the last three elections,
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They should only nominate a white male,
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Christian, person.
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And there aren't a lot of white male christian men
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On that list, i should say person. man.
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Not a woman, not a jewish person,
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Not a gay person, not a person of color.
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And they're very few.
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They're very few even under consideration.
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So those two questions,
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I think, are going to be a big part of the framing
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As we think about who who's in contention here.
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So you say you get wildly
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Different thoughts from different members.
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What's the basis of that?
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Like so, for example, let's say they did
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Run and let's say andy beshear did make a serious run.
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Yeah. do you think he could get it?
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Or do
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They think that
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There's just so many people in the party
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Who are innately hostile to that?
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Like, would he run into problems
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Because he's in that demographic
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And they've kind of
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Psyched people up to not like them for so long.
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Yeah, my my sources are less concerned about his chances
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Regarding demography,
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Or even issue positions than the question
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Of whether he's a major league player.
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The sophisticated people
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In the party, the consultants, the donors, the elected.
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A lot of them wonder
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Whether, the governor of kentucky is really major league
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As compared to very strong double-a ball.
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So that's a concern, that i think, in his case
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Is, dwarfs the question of whether,
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You know, the party doesn't want a white man
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Or whether he's too moderate on some issues.
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He's pretty liberal on a lot of issues. yeah.
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So, you know, i, i've heard from some folks
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That they're not going to let another woman run.
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Like,
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The establishment of the party will not allow it to happen.
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Do you feel that the establishment of the party
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Apparatus in the democrat party retains
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That sort of strength, that sort of umph?
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I mean, we're past the clintons.
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We're past the obamas.
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Can they control this?
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They have they have some control, but not a total.
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But but i would say that the sentiment you expressed
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Is not just about the establishment.
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I talked to grassroots democrats,
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Including women of color, who say, no more
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Messing around like we wish america would vote for anybody.
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But we're not.
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We're not going to pick a jewish person,
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A gay person, a female, or a person of color.
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That's a that's not 100% universal,
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But it's a very popular
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View expressed to me, again, not just by the establishment,
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Because, of the realities of the sample space
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That they see and they just say, why not run
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A white christian straight man and see what happens?
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It's fascinating.
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I'm so glad.
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You know,
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I say, i'm so glad that i don't even have
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To really think about what occurs to me
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As we talk about what the establishment would do.
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Yet if i think of when i think of the democrats,
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What i think of is their tendency to sort of
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Have contagious groupthink.
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Yeah.
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So this is an example from our perspective.
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It's when,
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For example, abolish the police suddenly became a thing
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That they would all repeat
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Because it bubbled up from the bottom
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And i just wonder, we talk about,
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Oh, can the establishment force this or prevent this?
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And yet so much of what they do,
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It just seems almost subject to chance
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Based on what catches fire with their base.
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Do you agree with that?
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I do, i do, you know,
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Everything he said is true
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And everything you said is correctable for the most part.
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If they find some great candidate,
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Some really charismatic candidate
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Can weave the party together the way bill clinton did.
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Even though he ran on a lot of conservative things.
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You guys are too young to,
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Probably feel the full resonance of this.
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But when he ran for president in 1992,
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He supported the death penalty.
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He supported right to work laws, he supported free trade.
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He supported welfare reform.
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These these were positions.
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It's just so out of step with the
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The dominant wing of the democratic party.
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And yet he was able to do that and still win the support
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Of a lot of progressives
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Who disagreed with him on those issues,
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But saw him as someone who could win.
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That's the that's the model.
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That's what people like rahm emanuel are talking about.
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But it's a challenge because you got to be
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Pretty sophisticated and skillful politically
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To pull that off.
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Well, mark halperin, great stuff
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Is our first and good to see you both
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Looking for the democrats slate.
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Yes, absolutely.
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So thank you for helping us navigate it.
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Have a great day. see you next time.
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Mark Halperin: April 16, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today

April 16, 2026 | 23:28

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