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Charlie Kirk Today | Mark Halperin: December 17, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | December 17, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- Andrew calvert
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- In today, joined by blake neff and the other seat.
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- We got lots to get to today.
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- We're going to be joined by mark
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- Halperin in the second half of this hour.
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- Help us make sense of some of the siouxsie wiles.
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- Yeah, that just came out out of nowhere.
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- Out of nowhere ordinary for some hype for.
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- But this was just sort of boop.
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- There it is.
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- Dropped it and surprised everybody this morning.
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- Lots of interesting quotes.
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- I think it's safe to say
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- There's lots of speculation about what this means.
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- There's also this compact article we've got to find.
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- Oh, yes.
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- Yeah. it went viral yesterday. yes.
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- Very compact.
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- Magazine.
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- It's called the lost generation 184.
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- If you want to throw it up, it'll be a little tease.
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- I don't think we're ready to get into it just yet, but 184.
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- So it's the it's going to call it the lost generation.
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- It's all about
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- How there's basically been a whole group of millennials
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- Or about 40 about if you are a millennial,
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- If you are a young white
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- Millennial male, you've basically gone through,
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- Let's just say it, a modern day quasi jim crow and industry
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- After industry
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- Where you were systematically excluded
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- And they all got screwed.
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- Yeah, those are some of the people.
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- Those are,
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- I mean, i guess gen z is who charlie cared about the most,
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- But so many of the people who we're saying are disasters
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- Who haven't married, haven't settled down.
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- There are these people
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- Who just spent their entire 25 to 40 range.
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- They got hit
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- By the great recession and then just let's just say
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- Systematic discrimination in american life.
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- Yeah.
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- I mean, i mean, i guess we're getting into it.
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- I guess we are we are getting into it.
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- I mean, we are going to bring how we're going to as you.
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- Well, yeah, we'll talk about wiles with him.
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- But but i mean, listen, it's if you're turning i would say
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- Probably between
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- If you're between
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- The ages of like 35 and 45, this probably
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- Could have affected you. right.
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- And and if you're oh 30, i was. yeah.
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- 30, 45, 3245, you know, and we rage against
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- The marriage rates.
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- We rage against the low fertility rates.
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- We let we rage against the fact that homeownership
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- Has the average meaning.
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- New homebuyer is at like 40 years old.
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- And we talk about all these ills.
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- But what is really driving down the average, it's
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- These commissars of wokeness that came in right around
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- That's actually not who the article blames.
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- It's not the commissars of wokeness necessary.
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- All right. well, this is the interesting thing.
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- So just so you guys, i think it's connected
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- So you can look this all up again.
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- It's the lost generation.
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- It's a very long article on compact magazine.
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- This was
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- A huge number of personalities on x were discussing this.
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- It's going to be one of the
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- Most read articles of the year on the right jacob.
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- And it's by jacob savage
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- Who is a writer based in los angeles.
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- And he tells his own story.
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- He was trying to become a tv or film writer in los angeles,
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- Which that's long been a job a ton of young white guys get.
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- Did you go there trying to be a writer?
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- I was trying to be right.
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- I you have no idea how, like, internalized all of this was.
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- Exactly, exactly.
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- So that's a job a ton of i mean,
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- You know, artsy young men, they want to be
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- A lot of them want to be journalists.
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- Some of them want to be film writers,
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- Some of them want to go into academia.
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- And it's really focused on those,
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- You know, what the industry is.
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- What's interesting, though, as somebody to live this
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- A little bit, it wasn't really artsy young men.
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- It's really analytical, sharp minded.
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- That's the people that are driven
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- To go into the writing and producing fields there.
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- If they were in a different city,
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- They would have been, you know, engineers. i'm not kidding.
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- It's like the same. it's the same profile.
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- These are like, well, i mean, the engineers get hit.
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- So it's focusing on especially those slightly
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- More creative fields or academia.
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- It's creative journalism, arts creativity
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- And how around 2014 you start getting the woke bubble,
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- Which is, you know, you need more diversity in all things.
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- You need to have more women, women of color,
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- People of color.
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- It's the line they had.
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- It reminds us of things that were viral
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- A decade ago that people have forgotten.
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- Like there was a thing called oscarssowhite.
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- It was a hashtag.
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- We have hashtag campaigns before they got kicked
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- Right to ellen bot ex.
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- He got rid of the hashtags.
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- You got chris rock to host the oscars.
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- Yeah.
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- And oscarssowhite was just everyone nominated for
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- The acting.
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- The major acting categories was white that year.
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- Okay.
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- And so suddenly there was just this demand.
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- You need to have diversity.
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- And what it points out again
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- And again is the boomers and gen xers.
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- There's all these older,
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- You know, older white men who actually are
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- Already established in fields and in.
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- And i just froze it in amber and so what it became was
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- They would just have everyone beneath
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- Them would be used to hit those diversity metrics.
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- So it's not, oh, we're going to increase diversity by making
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- 15% of the established people leave and replace them.
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- It's we're going to
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- Just categorically eliminate young white men
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- From the pipeline for all of these jobs. and
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- That's exactly it turns out, exactly what it looks like.
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- All of these people
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- Who are
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- Wanted to go into these fields, they just could not get jobs
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- In them at all.
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- And you really think
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- What sort of impact that has to be on one psychology,
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- Which i know
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- People who have gone through that, i can absolutely say
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- Very certainly i experienced just this.
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- Yeah, i experienced just this when i was living in la,
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- Where just it was common just to say,
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- Well, too bad you're, you're a white guy like,
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- You know, it would this would be a lot easier
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- If you if you had something
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- We could throw out there, like, are you gay?
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- I'm not even kidding.
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- They say that they mention being gay.
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- They always will have some.
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- They they'll be something they'll have,
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- Like some american indian ancestry.
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- They pulled a liz warren and i was
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- I was literally like, no, i'm a white heterosexual christian.
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- Yeah. and they're like, sorry, good luck.
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- And then the numbers in here,
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- It's worth reading just for all of the numbers.
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- In 2011, 14 years ago, you white
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- Men were 48% of low level tv writers.
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- In 2024, 13 years later, they were 11.9%.
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- That's dramatic. in, let's see,
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- Staff went from 53%
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- White and 80 or 53% male and 89% white
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- In 2013 to 36% male and 66% white in 2012.
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- Tenure track faculty at harvard, 39%,
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- White men in the humanities to 18%.
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- And when that means is if you're dropping that much
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- And you're not cutting off the people
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- Who are in early, it's that it's a total cut off
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- At the bottom. yeah.
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- And so you just took a group of white men.
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- There's still about 25% of young
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- American adults, a little bit more, even 25, 30%.
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- And let's be frank, there are pretty talented 30%.
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- They're more likely to complete college,
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- More likely to develop a lot of skills
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- Than some other groups that are
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- Have been favored in america the last decade,
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- And yet they're just treated as practical untouchables
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- In a huge number of fields.
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- And it's bad for them.
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- It's totally derailed their lives
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- Because if you were subject of this discrimination
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- For the past five years, ten years, that ruins your career.
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- That's the period where you need
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- To get off the ground
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- And you're just stuck in entry level stuff.
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- And on top of that, it fried american meritocracy.
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- Like, why are why are tv shows so bad?
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- Maybe because they didn't hire good writers to do it.
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- Why is academia so wrong?
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- Because they hired only people who filled a racial check box
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- Instead of the best scholars over and over.
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- They do that.
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- And i'm sure our viewers, our listeners,
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- They may have lived this themselves.
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- Or if you're a parent, you may have seen your son
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- Struggle through this because he couldn't get
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- A foot in the door anywhere.
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- And it wasn't really his fault.
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- Yeah.
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- And not to mention we talk about student loans
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- Pushing off family formation or whatever, right.
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- Buying a home.
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- Well, if you can't even get into
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- The job market, if you can't start the career
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- To get up to the rungs of power to earn more money,
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- Then that's why marriage rates are going to collapse.
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- That's why fertility rates are going to collapse.
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- I'm sorry, but white men
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- Still make up a huge portion of the of the country.
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- The line they're using last generation.
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- Anthony, one of our listeners emails,
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- He says, i am a millennial and we're often called
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- A lost generation.
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- Millennials got lost and pushed aside.
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- That's screwed anyways.
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- We're going to hit break.
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- We'll be back in just few minutes. don't go anywhere.
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- The wounds from
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- October 7th didn't fade when the headlines did.
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- Behind me rises
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- A new rehabilitation home for israel's wounded soldiers.
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- One of many urgent projects israel needs right now.
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- Entire communities shattered.
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- Families displaced.
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- And each day,
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- The impact of the need grows even more overwhelming.
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- But the bible says it clearly.
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- The righteous will live by faith and by faith.
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- The fellowship is rolling up our sleeves
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- And stepping into this immense challenge.
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- Helping mothers who don't know where to begin again.
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- Standing with paralyzed heroes.
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- Fighting to take their first steps.
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- Building centers of healing for the wounded
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- And the traumatized.
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- Bringing food and comfort to elderly israelis
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- Who have no one else to care for them.
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- To see the life saving work of the fellowship.
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- Unfolding across israel right now.
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- Visit ifc's dawg.
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- Visit ifc's dawg.
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- Compact
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- Magazine, anti-white stuff.
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- I mean, there was this and the lost generation.
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- I think that's actually the way we link it
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- With this weed story, because that's a good point.
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- Charlie would talk about this, there's this real sense
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- Of compared to a lot of drugs, marijuana,
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- Whether you support legalizing it or not,
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- There's this big charlie wood talk about this.
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- It's a drug that sort of dulls the ambitions, dulls the mind.
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- It there is, for a good reason, a strong association
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- With between being a really heavy
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- Marijuana user and just being kind of a loser.
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- Yeah.
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- I mean, i'll never forget when i was going back to my
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- La days, i remember i met this one guy.
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- Believe it or not, he was a worship leader.
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- Oh wow.
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- And he was an avid marijuana user.
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- But he was like, if i don't use it,
- 00:10:08.456 --> 00:10:10.191
- I will get massively depressed.
- 00:10:10.191 --> 00:10:11.793
- And he would he acknowledged i, he had he had an addiction.
- 00:10:11.793 --> 00:10:15.063
- He had a problem.
- 00:10:15.063 --> 00:10:16.164
- I just thought, why would you ever want
- 00:10:16.164 --> 00:10:19.167
- To be stuck on something that has so much mastery
- 00:10:19.167 --> 00:10:22.336
- Over you, you know?
- 00:10:22.336 --> 00:10:23.705
- And anyways,
- 00:10:23.705 --> 00:10:24.906
- But a couple things that we need to sort of establish here,
- 00:10:24.906 --> 00:10:28.376
- If you are find yourself of a certain generation
- 00:10:28.376 --> 00:10:30.578
- And you and you still think, you know, weed's fine.
- 00:10:30.578 --> 00:10:32.814
- It's not the word say modern weed is not at all
- 00:10:32.814 --> 00:10:35.083
- What, like, you know, the hippie era it is.
- 00:10:35.083 --> 00:10:37.885
- It's stronger stuff.
- 00:10:37.885 --> 00:10:38.953
- Stronger way more potent, way more, potent.
- 00:10:38.953 --> 00:10:42.657
- So let's do it this way.
- 00:10:43.191 --> 00:10:44.292
- Actually, i'm going to give trump some credit here.
- 00:10:44.292 --> 00:10:47.228
- This is trump on fentanyl,
- 00:10:47.228 --> 00:10:50.264
- And he has 1,000% spot on play cut.
- 00:10:50.264 --> 00:10:53.334
- 165 today, i'm
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- Taking one more step to protect americans from the scourge
- 00:10:54.535 --> 00:10:57.772
- Of deadly fentanyl flooding into our country.
- 00:10:57.772 --> 00:11:01.576
- With this historic executive order, i will say today
- 00:11:01.576 --> 00:11:04.979
- We're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon
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- Of mass destruction, which is what it is.
- 00:11:07.715 --> 00:11:11.119
- No bomb does what this is doing.
- 00:11:11.853 --> 00:11:14.889
- 200 to 300,000 people die every year
- 00:11:14.889 --> 00:11:18.392
- That we know of.
- 00:11:18.793 --> 00:11:20.862
- So we're formally classifying fentanyl
- 00:11:20.862 --> 00:11:23.364
- As a weapon of mass destruction weapon.
- 00:11:23.364 --> 00:11:27.902
- I mean, that's a funny classification.
- 00:11:27.902 --> 00:11:29.937
- It's a funny classification.
- 00:11:29.937 --> 00:11:30.905
- But candidly, you know,
- 00:11:30.905 --> 00:11:32.440
- And we used to talk about this for charlie all the time.
- 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.442
- The drug epidemic kills more people than ukraine, or
- 00:11:34.442 --> 00:11:39.080
- It kills more americans than, you know, basically anywhere.
- 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:42.116
- Oh, i'm just thinking about how that classification
- 00:11:42.116 --> 00:11:44.085
- I have to imagine
- 00:11:44.085 --> 00:11:44.652
- That means
- 00:11:44.652 --> 00:11:45.753
- If you're transporting like, fentanyl ingredients,
- 00:11:45.753 --> 00:11:47.155
- They could just throw you in prison for life, or bomb
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- Your boat or.
- 00:11:49.891 --> 00:11:50.424
- Yeah. yeah.
- 00:11:50.424 --> 00:11:51.559
- Because, you know, attempting to make weapons of mass
- 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:52.927
- Destruction is a super duper federal, super duper
- 00:11:52.927 --> 00:11:55.029
- Terrorism charge. yeah.
- 00:11:55.029 --> 00:11:56.497
- But here's here's the other side of the drug,
- 00:11:56.497 --> 00:11:59.300
- News today, which is interesting.
- 00:11:59.300 --> 00:12:01.202
- We have so much drug news.
- 00:12:01.202 --> 00:12:02.603
- Cnn says that president trump is considering,
- 00:12:02.603 --> 00:12:05.973
- Well,
- 00:12:05.973 --> 00:12:07.475
- Changing the classification of weed,
- 00:12:07.475 --> 00:12:09.310
- I think is the right way to say it.
- 00:12:09.310 --> 00:12:10.578
- Some some are saying legalize marijuana.
- 00:12:10.578 --> 00:12:12.580
- I'm not i'm not sure exactly.
- 00:12:12.580 --> 00:12:14.015
- He said he said himself he's considering
- 00:12:14.015 --> 00:12:15.383
- He was asked in the oval office recently
- 00:12:15.383 --> 00:12:16.751
- And he says we're considering it
- 00:12:16.751 --> 00:12:18.386
- And it would be a reclassification,
- 00:12:18.386 --> 00:12:20.888
- From schedule one, i believe, to schedule three.
- 00:12:20.888 --> 00:12:23.658
- Right.
- 00:12:23.658 --> 00:12:24.058
- Schedule one
- 00:12:24.058 --> 00:12:25.159
- Is sort of the most restricted, most controlled drugs.
- 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:27.829
- The other stuff on it, there's stuff like heroin, meth.
- 00:12:27.829 --> 00:12:32.300
- Those are schedule one drugs.
- 00:12:32.300 --> 00:12:33.634
- Schedule three, in comparison,
- 00:12:33.634 --> 00:12:35.036
- Is ketamine, steroids, testosterone.
- 00:12:35.036 --> 00:12:38.873
- Funny you would say ketamine.
- 00:12:38.873 --> 00:12:40.208
- It's on the list in the hills. in the hills.
- 00:12:40.208 --> 00:12:42.176
- We'll get to that. but is you. yes.
- 00:12:42.176 --> 00:12:43.911
- Yes, indeed.
- 00:12:43.911 --> 00:12:44.979
- But charlie thought a lot about this, and it was
- 00:12:44.979 --> 00:12:46.881
- One of the controversial things he said at least once,
- 00:12:46.881 --> 00:12:49.717
- Multiple times.
- 00:12:49.717 --> 00:12:50.651
- I think that this is one of his positions
- 00:12:50.651 --> 00:12:52.153
- That got him the most pushback on campuses
- 00:12:52.153 --> 00:12:54.555
- As much or more
- 00:12:54.555 --> 00:12:55.790
- Than his abortion views, which is he just
- 00:12:55.790 --> 00:12:58.025
- He opposed legalizing weed.
- 00:12:58.025 --> 00:12:59.527
- A lot of young people, yeah, really like it.
- 00:12:59.527 --> 00:13:02.096
- But i think i do.
- 00:13:02.096 --> 00:13:04.432
- At the same time, i think the tide is shifting a bit.
- 00:13:04.432 --> 00:13:06.667
- I think we probably reached peak marijuana enthusiasm.
- 00:13:06.667 --> 00:13:09.670
- We had that win in florida.
- 00:13:09.670 --> 00:13:10.905
- That was yeah, maybe let's let's play the clip here.
- 00:13:10.905 --> 00:13:12.907
- 182 this is from cnn president could use in fact
- 00:13:12.907 --> 00:13:16.544
- Against his democratic opposition and say,
- 00:13:16.544 --> 00:13:18.679
- Hey you know what democrats have talk the talk.
- 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:21.115
- But i'm actually going to walk the walk
- 00:13:21.115 --> 00:13:22.917
- When it comes to legalizing marijuana okay.
- 00:13:22.917 --> 00:13:25.419
- So what are the prediction markets
- 00:13:25.419 --> 00:13:26.921
- Saying about the chances then here.
- 00:13:26.921 --> 00:13:28.222
- Yeah okay. so what's the chance that this actually happens?
- 00:13:28.222 --> 00:13:30.691
- I think there's a pretty gosh
- 00:13:30.691 --> 00:13:31.659
- Darn good chance it's going to happen,
- 00:13:31.659 --> 00:13:32.860
- At least according to the prediction markets.
- 00:13:32.860 --> 00:13:34.362
- So the chance that
- 00:13:34.362 --> 00:13:35.596
- The us reschedules marijuana before the end of trump's term.
- 00:13:35.596 --> 00:13:37.865
- Look at this 88%.
- 00:13:37.865 --> 00:13:40.401
- You know, it's funny because you see 72% of young
- 00:13:40.401 --> 00:13:43.037
- People approve of it.
- 00:13:43.037 --> 00:13:43.938
- And, you know,
- 00:13:43.938 --> 00:13:45.072
- Maybe they do, but i just i hope it changes because
- 00:13:45.072 --> 00:13:47.174
- You can smell it here in phoenix.
- 00:13:47.174 --> 00:13:49.243
- You can smell it a ton if you're in dc.
- 00:13:49.243 --> 00:13:51.178
- It's really disgusting.
- 00:13:51.178 --> 00:13:53.214
- I think it's a big driver of making public places
- 00:13:53.214 --> 00:13:56.117
- Feel dirtier.
- 00:13:56.117 --> 00:13:57.184
- Yeah, it's a much more rank smell
- 00:13:57.184 --> 00:13:59.020
- Than even cigaret smoke was in the past.
- 00:13:59.020 --> 00:14:01.689
- I think charlie had very good reason to dislike it.
- 00:14:01.689 --> 00:14:05.559
- Yeah.
- 00:14:05.793 --> 00:14:06.961
- So i'm hopeful that they don't reclassify it.
- 00:14:06.961 --> 00:14:08.896
- We have a clip from charlie that i wish
- 00:14:08.896 --> 00:14:10.865
- We could have got to, but it it's i listen, i think,
- 00:14:10.865 --> 00:14:14.101
- I think the prediction markets are probably right.
- 00:14:14.101 --> 00:14:16.170
- Yeah. trump seeing a political opportunity.
- 00:14:16.170 --> 00:14:18.806
- But listen sometimes we disagree with the president.
- 00:14:18.806 --> 00:14:21.042
- I remember charlie was actually asked
- 00:14:21.042 --> 00:14:22.877
- By our next guest, mark halperin,
- 00:14:22.877 --> 00:14:24.812
- What do you disagree with on the president?
- 00:14:24.812 --> 00:14:26.080
- And he said we'd yeah, we doggone, you know it.
- 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.916
- Listen, we still disagree.
- 00:14:28.916 --> 00:14:30.384
- I think it's a loser drug, i get it.
- 00:14:30.384 --> 00:14:33.487
- Why people try and
- 00:14:33.487 --> 00:14:35.790
- Bend their rationale to make it something less than that.
- 00:14:35.790 --> 00:14:38.693
- I'm telling you, modern weed, especially when you take it
- 00:14:38.693 --> 00:14:40.494
- Young, could really cause mental illness.
- 00:14:40.494 --> 00:14:42.997
- It's a drug. you could argue.
- 00:14:42.997 --> 00:14:44.398
- Legalize it if you're after 30 or something
- 00:14:44.398 --> 00:14:46.734
- Because it really cooks a developing brain.
- 00:14:46.734 --> 00:14:48.769
- It does, and so do not take it lightly.
- 00:14:48.769 --> 00:14:51.505
- We're also going to have a debate on weed.
- 00:14:51.505 --> 00:14:53.641
- I'm going to be moderating it at amp fest.
- 00:14:53.641 --> 00:14:55.876
- So alex berenson and the editor in chief of reason,
- 00:14:55.876 --> 00:14:59.513
- I believe we'll be right back with mark halperin.
- 00:14:59.513 --> 00:15:05.753
- That christmas morning.
- 00:15:06.253 --> 00:15:07.855
- Wise men brought gifts from outside the holy land.
- 00:15:07.855 --> 00:15:12.660
- But now that the war is over,
- 00:15:13.294 --> 00:15:16.297
- This holy land and her people
- 00:15:16.297 --> 00:15:18.199
- Are still carrying deep wounded.
- 00:15:18.199 --> 00:15:20.968
- Many of the elderly are alone and suffering
- 00:15:20.968 --> 00:15:24.638
- Like the wise men or wise women.
- 00:15:25.339 --> 00:15:28.576
- When you open your heart and give a special holiday food
- 00:15:28.576 --> 00:15:33.247
- Box to someone here in israel
- 00:15:33.247 --> 00:15:35.950
- This christmas chronicles season.
- 00:15:35.950 --> 00:15:39.020
- People like hannah who can't buy food.
- 00:15:39.020 --> 00:15:43.391
- That's where the fellowship is called to feed the hungry.
- 00:15:43.391 --> 00:15:47.628
- Please call, scan or go online now to help rush emergency
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- Food and healing to elderly jews
- 00:15:51.699 --> 00:15:53.801
- And their christian neighbors struggling
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- To rebuild their lives from the war.
- 00:15:55.569 --> 00:15:57.738
- What will happen when we make this holy day season?
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- Holy indeed.
- 00:16:03.177 --> 00:16:04.997
- Holy indeed.
- 00:16:04.997 --> 00:16:10.054
- Without further adieu, host
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- Of next up with mark halperin and, of course, mark halperin.
- 00:16:12.156 --> 00:16:15.092
- Welcome back, mark, good to see you.
- 00:16:15.092 --> 00:16:17.227
- I know you had some train debacle going on, so i'm
- 00:16:17.227 --> 00:16:20.064
- I'm glad you're here.
- 00:16:20.064 --> 00:16:21.298
- You know, it's good to see you. yeah.
- 00:16:21.298 --> 00:16:23.600
- I mean, do you think i would know
- 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:24.935
- Not to get on the express when i need to?
- 00:16:24.935 --> 00:16:26.437
- Local, but, yeah. whatever.
- 00:16:26.437 --> 00:16:28.505
- Here you are. you look to be glad to be with you guys.
- 00:16:28.505 --> 00:16:31.041
- Good. glad to have you.
- 00:16:31.041 --> 00:16:32.142
- You look warm. i'm glad i'm in phoenix. right? yeah.
- 00:16:32.142 --> 00:16:34.545
- It's going to say it looks looks chilly
- 00:16:34.545 --> 00:16:36.613
- And it's a little cold.
- 00:16:36.613 --> 00:16:38.048
- All right, well, listen.
- 00:16:38.048 --> 00:16:39.083
- So, mark, everybody's talking about it.
- 00:16:39.083 --> 00:16:41.718
- I've gotten blown up by like 5 or 6 reporters
- 00:16:41.718 --> 00:16:44.455
- This morning about what do you make of the susie thing?
- 00:16:44.455 --> 00:16:47.157
- What do you know?
- 00:16:47.157 --> 00:16:48.092
- And i was like, no comment, i don't know.
- 00:16:48.092 --> 00:16:49.927
- We're going to save that for the show.
- 00:16:49.927 --> 00:16:51.595
- Mark, what do we make of this?
- 00:16:51.595 --> 00:16:52.930
- She called jd vance a conspiracy theorist.
- 00:16:52.930 --> 00:16:55.833
- She talked about musk taking drugs, ketamine,
- 00:16:55.833 --> 00:16:59.436
- Which i don't think is actually, that's not secret.
- 00:17:00.471 --> 00:17:02.706
- Called him an odd duck. he's admitted he's taken it.
- 00:17:02.706 --> 00:17:05.109
- Him continuing to take it is more sketchy.
- 00:17:05.109 --> 00:17:07.678
- All sort of new.
- 00:17:07.678 --> 00:17:08.412
- He kept taking it.
- 00:17:08.412 --> 00:17:09.480
- But i mean, you know, it's just musk is it must
- 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:11.215
- Is is an odd duck.
- 00:17:11.215 --> 00:17:12.516
- What do we make of this?
- 00:17:12.516 --> 00:17:13.617
- A lot of people say that this is that she was this.
- 00:17:13.617 --> 00:17:16.286
- This is her or her exit plan.
- 00:17:16.286 --> 00:17:18.088
- I'm hearing other people say they thought
- 00:17:18.088 --> 00:17:19.990
- It was for a book interview that was going to,
- 00:17:19.990 --> 00:17:21.291
- That was going to come out after the admin.
- 00:17:21.291 --> 00:17:23.627
- What's the truth?
- 00:17:23.627 --> 00:17:25.762
- Well, first of all, a normal white house
- 00:17:25.762 --> 00:17:28.732
- Official who said these things, would be fired.
- 00:17:28.732 --> 00:17:31.568
- Biden said, you're seeing rally around.
- 00:17:31.568 --> 00:17:34.505
- Susie can go on x and see
- 00:17:34.505 --> 00:17:37.040
- Plenty of people, senators and white house
- 00:17:37.040 --> 00:17:39.309
- Officials saying, you know, we love susie.
- 00:17:39.309 --> 00:17:41.512
- Echoing her line that this was all a media hit job
- 00:17:41.512 --> 00:17:43.981
- And the vice president was asked about it.
- 00:17:43.981 --> 00:17:45.916
- He was pretty supportive, too.
- 00:17:45.916 --> 00:17:47.551
- My guess, and i don't i don't know this,
- 00:17:47.551 --> 00:17:50.754
- But my guess, just from knowing the two people involved,
- 00:17:50.754 --> 00:17:53.223
- The guy was writing it down and the white house
- 00:17:53.223 --> 00:17:56.059
- Chief of staff is
- 00:17:56.059 --> 00:17:57.161
- My guess is she thought this up was off the record.
- 00:17:57.161 --> 00:17:59.530
- That would be my guess.
- 00:17:59.530 --> 00:18:00.497
- She didn't intend to say it.
- 00:18:00.497 --> 00:18:01.865
- Now, some of it is.
- 00:18:01.865 --> 00:18:03.200
- You got to said it's not super like controversial
- 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.203
- And some of it's emphatically true,
- 00:18:06.203 --> 00:18:08.205
- But it's a little bit off key for her to be saying
- 00:18:08.205 --> 00:18:10.574
- She's not someone who seeks the limelight.
- 00:18:10.574 --> 00:18:12.709
- She's not someone, it's the opposite.
- 00:18:12.709 --> 00:18:15.012
- She puts a premium on people getting along.
- 00:18:15.012 --> 00:18:16.980
- So like i said, if i had to guess,
- 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:19.116
- I guess that she didn't think this stuff was for publication.
- 00:18:19.116 --> 00:18:21.418
- There was a misunderstanding between her and chris whipple.
- 00:18:21.418 --> 00:18:24.555
- She says the article, published
- 00:18:24.555 --> 00:18:25.756
- Earlier or early this morning, is a disingenuous
- 00:18:25.756 --> 00:18:28.659
- Framed hit piece on me and the finest president
- 00:18:28.659 --> 00:18:31.495
- White house staff in cabinet in history.
- 00:18:31.495 --> 00:18:33.397
- Significant content, context was disregarded.
- 00:18:33.397 --> 00:18:36.300
- And much of what i and others said about the team
- 00:18:36.300 --> 00:18:39.203
- And the president was left out of the story.
- 00:18:39.203 --> 00:18:41.371
- So the part that
- 00:18:41.371 --> 00:18:42.306
- That doesn't square with a lot of people,
- 00:18:42.306 --> 00:18:43.640
- Though, mark, is,
- 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:44.942
- And she goes on to praise the trump administration,
- 00:18:44.942 --> 00:18:47.244
- The part that i can't square here,
- 00:18:47.244 --> 00:18:49.947
- Is that there's this picture of all of them,
- 00:18:49.947 --> 00:18:53.951
- Posing, you know, caroline leavitt is there, right.
- 00:18:53.951 --> 00:18:57.688
- There's the picture. what?
- 00:18:57.688 --> 00:18:59.790
- So obviously they this was,
- 00:18:59.790 --> 00:19:03.160
- You know, they weren't done under this
- 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:04.595
- Interview, was not done under duress or something.
- 00:19:04.595 --> 00:19:06.763
- So why the picture does that?
- 00:19:06.763 --> 00:19:08.999
- What does that tell you?
- 00:19:09.533 --> 00:19:10.367
- Yeah.
- 00:19:10.367 --> 00:19:11.201
- Do you know who i feel sorry for? now?
- 00:19:11.201 --> 00:19:14.238
- I feel sorry for people only listening to this
- 00:19:14.238 --> 00:19:16.073
- As a podcast because, man, that's an awesome thing.
- 00:19:16.073 --> 00:19:19.109
- It is, it's a strike. it's like.
- 00:19:19.109 --> 00:19:20.911
- It's like.
- 00:19:20.911 --> 00:19:21.845
- It's like the avengers meet the west wing.
- 00:19:21.845 --> 00:19:23.580
- Yeah.
- 00:19:23.580 --> 00:19:24.548
- Look, look, she obviously talked to the guy.
- 00:19:24.548 --> 00:19:26.617
- It'll be interesting to see.
- 00:19:26.617 --> 00:19:27.951
- If this does escalate
- 00:19:27.951 --> 00:19:29.987
- Her claim that the context is missing,
- 00:19:29.987 --> 00:19:31.622
- If the guy really does have audio tapes of everything,
- 00:19:31.622 --> 00:19:34.091
- We'll see it. the context isn't.
- 00:19:34.091 --> 00:19:35.559
- It's like, the the, the reality is,
- 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:39.296
- You guys know how a lot of reporters
- 00:19:39.296 --> 00:19:40.931
- Are, and i'm not accusing chris
- 00:19:40.931 --> 00:19:42.299
- Whipple of this
- 00:19:42.299 --> 00:19:43.200
- Because i've been heard the whole thing,
- 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:44.601
- But i've been enjoying interviews with reporters
- 00:19:44.601 --> 00:19:47.237
- Where they'll say, i'll say like, you know,
- 00:19:47.237 --> 00:19:51.408
- Your colleague, mr. jones, what's he like?
- 00:19:51.408 --> 00:19:53.176
- Oh, he's awesome. what's mr. jones like?
- 00:19:53.176 --> 00:19:54.911
- He's awesome. what's mr. jones like? oh, he's great.
- 00:19:54.911 --> 00:19:56.847
- What's mr. jones like? i really like the jones.
- 00:19:56.847 --> 00:19:58.715
- Seriously, a lot of people don't really like mr.
- 00:19:58.715 --> 00:20:01.351
- Jones. are you sure you like mr.
- 00:20:01.351 --> 00:20:02.653
- Jones? you so?
- 00:20:02.653 --> 00:20:03.887
- Well, there are some people who don't really like mr. jones.
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- And then the story comes out and it says.
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- We asked them and they said, there's
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- Some people who don't like that. joe.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- It's like it's like.
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- It's like, you know, she could be right.
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- It wouldn't be the first time
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- A reporter took the context away.
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- Yeah, but let's see if they're audio.
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- But but again, it's a it's an interesting story.
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- I know what you guys are talking about. it.
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- I talked about it on my show.
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- I'll talk about it on my show later today.
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- But but the norm of a situation like this
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- Where people would say,
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- This trump mad at her, is she going to lose her job?
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- I just don't think that's even a possibility
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- Because of how well like susie is.
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- And what a what a great job.
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- The president and
- 00:20:37.788 --> 00:20:38.855
- Other people in the white house think she's doing.
- 00:20:38.855 --> 00:20:40.290
- So let's see if we're still talking about this tomorrow.
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- Now, if the reporter decides he got to put out the context
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- That could keep
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- This thing alive because, it's easy, it's very
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- Did right from the trump playbook to say, hey, job.
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- But let's see if it was actually a hit job.
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- Well, i one thought i had is they talk
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- About the prosecutions, you know, sort of the,
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- The stuff aimed at comey, at letitia james.
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- And she talks about that, how she sort of tried to put a
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- 90 day cap, i think
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- Is the word in the piece on, yeah, retaliation type stuff,
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- But that he's going to keep doing it.
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- Could that
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- Lead to judges citing this interview
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- To justify throwing out charges?
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- And i could see that
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- Being a way this would turn the president against susie.
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- If he sees her as derailing something he really wants
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- To get done.
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- Yeah, i mean, i theoretically, i agree with you.
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- I don't know that it would be admissible
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- And i don't know that that would turn the president
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- Against susie.
- 00:21:37.280 --> 00:21:38.715
- One of the things that this will put in sharp relief
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- For some is, among.
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- So anything susie has done
- 00:21:43.320 --> 00:21:44.488
- In this job, it's really well served.
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- The president is she has constrained it.
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- When people say in my business and, and democrats say,
- 00:21:48.191 --> 00:21:52.162
- You know, trump says, yes, people are at him.
- 00:21:52.162 --> 00:21:54.798
- Unlike in the first terms.
- 00:21:54.798 --> 00:21:56.032
- Well, the fact is he had people around him.
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- The first term would disagree with him,
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- But they did it in effectively.
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- People like,
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- The secretary of state, rex tillerson, would disagree
- 00:22:02.639 --> 00:22:04.107
- With trump, but he wouldn't get his way.
- 00:22:04.107 --> 00:22:05.709
- Trump would just be president.
- 00:22:05.709 --> 00:22:06.710
- Trump would do what he wanted to do.
- 00:22:06.710 --> 00:22:08.245
- One of the under told stories is
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- When susie wild sees a problem or others do,
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- She's good at talking to the president
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- And trying to restrain him.
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- So if she restrain some extent in this area, some things
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- And the articles suggest
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- She did probably in the
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- President's interest and even the president,
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- May well be grateful because he knows sometimes
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- He does go too far.
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- Mark halperin, thank you for making the time.
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- I got to let you get inside, sir.
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