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Brought to you in part by the
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International fellowship of christians and jews.
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I'm andrew culvert, executive producer
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With blake neff, and we are joined by mark
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Halperin, editor in chief of two way
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And also host of next up on the megyn kelly network
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And one of the best political analysts that i know.
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And every time i bring up mark's name around,
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Everybody says he's real good at politics.
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He's real very smart guy.
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Real, real smart guy.
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Mark halperin, welcome to the show, my friend.
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Good to see you.
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We are real close to officially being done
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With this shutdown.
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It looks like, it passed the senate hurdle,
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Which was the big one last, last evening.
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And now it's on to the house.
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There's probably
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Some procedural delays, i'm sure that they're throwing up.
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And then they'll get to get to the business.
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Boil it all down for us. what?
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I mean, what are we?
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I mean, we're
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It's like last week, all i heard was about a,
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Republican civil war, conservative civil war.
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And then in one fell swoop, you got enough democrats
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To break break ranks, and now we've got a democrat civil war.
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Please make sense of what's happening.
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Well, the republicans civil war after the election,
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9 or 10 months.
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Oh, no.
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A week ago, you know, this,
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And rare to have to tentpole events like that, rolling
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In opposite, diametrically opposite points of view.
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I think, right now
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And i talked about this on next up today,
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Almost everything that happens
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Can be seen through the prism of the, the,
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The renegades, the the populist versus the establishment.
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You're seeing that in the republican party.
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You're seeing that in the democratic party.
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And i think the populist wing of the democratic
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Party is super energized by donald trump.
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And the populist wing of the democratic party
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Also has a political death wish because they wanted
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To, continue
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To try to get donald trump to give up on the shutdown.
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And it was clear to eight
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Senate democrats that he wouldn't. so
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The whole politics of
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Both those stories revolve around trump
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On the negative side, he energizes the democrats
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On the on the negative side, for the for the republicans,
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The energizes the democrats.
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On the negative side,
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For the democrats, he causes trump derangement
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Syndrome and democrats on the left
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Who are complaining that
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Some privately are glad the shutdown is over.
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But the ones on the left
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Who wanted to continue the fight,
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Just they can't think straight when it comes to
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Political combat with donald trump.
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Yeah.
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And i'm i'm fascinated about this dynamic that we see
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Playing out right now.
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You've almost got kind of a ro khanna versus
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Hakeem jeffries dynamic happening with ro khanna saying
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Schumer's got to go.
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You heard this from sunny hostin on the view and others
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That are saying it's time to go.
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There's a congresswoman out of massachusetts, right?
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The one that was, about to get primaried for,
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Not wanting his daughter to play, trans athletes.
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Seth. seth moulton.
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Yeah. seth moulton that's right.
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So he's he's getting, you know, he's
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Now on the the schumer's got to go.
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I mean, this is
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A really fascinating dynamic because hakeem jeffries
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Sort of at the last moment decided to endorse mamdani.
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Yeah.
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And you can just feel hakeem jeffries
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Getting pulled in either direction.
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It's almost like,
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It's it's excruciating to watch on some level.
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And he's trying.
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Now he's out attacking.
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The supreme court is corrupt. it's a clip.
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I just i just saw.
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It's almost like he's looking for avenues
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To advance positive lines and to solidify his bona fides
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As a progressive in this caucus that is increasingly
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Getting controlled by the radical left.
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So i actually i have the clip here.
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Let's let's go ahead and play it. mark.
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171 cleaning up the corruption
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That exists in washington, dc, in the congress,
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At the supreme court.
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And of course, with the trump administration,
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The most corrupt administration in american history.
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So we can actually deliver a country of the people,
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By the people and for the people.
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I just want to be precise, you say the supreme court
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Has been corrupt.
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Is that what you're saying? yeah.
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What i'm saying is that the outrageous
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Behavior by individual justices like clarence thomas
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And justice alito,
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And the failure
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To have an ethical code of conduct is corrupt.
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I translate this as mark and you tell me
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If i'm wrong here, is that this is him saying,
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Okay, yeah, i said that i endorse schumer.
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Schumer still got my my vote of confidence.
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But don't worry, progressive wing i vote, i endorse mamdani.
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And yes, if we get power back, we're going to we're going to
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Nuke the filibuster and we're going to pack the court.
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All correct.
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But i'll just say again, my preferred prism
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Currently is not progressive versus moderate, right?
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It's it's populist versus, establishment.
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Hakeem jeffries is establishment.
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And you know that for based on his history.
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But you also know it
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Because he
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Is one of the few democrats who, by backing schumer,
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He is an establishment figure, but he knows the energy
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And the party is with the populist.
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So he says things like, you know,
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He talks about just like ro khanna talks about,
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Jeffrey epstein talks about corruption
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In washington, talks about special interests,
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Because that's the language of the populous.
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And right now,
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He and schumer are discombobulated
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Because privately, they're for the establishment.
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They're not populists.
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They're not fiery renegades trying to tear the house down.
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They they run the house.
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And so the power structure, recognizes to
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To try to keep power as long as possible.
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You got to talk the language of the populace,
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And that's what he's trying to do.
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But for schumer, at least, it's not particularly convincing.
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And that's why he's taking so much heat
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Right now, because nobody's buying it.
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Do you see that basically this factional struggle is going
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Just be everyone stares at new york, sees
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What happens with mamdani, this government,
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And if it fails quickly, will that sap its energy?
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Or do you think if he's able
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To do things that that will draw,
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It'll drive the party further to the left?
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Maybe even if it's not that successful,
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It still might drive the party to the left.
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How do you see that playing out?
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You're asking the right question,
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And i have got no idea.
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Because it will depend on how he performs, but also what
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His style is, how accommodate and how much he accommodates.
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Picking a police commissioner, what kinds of things
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He talks about.
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How much, you know, does he arrest netanyahu?
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So i think it's i think it's it's hard to know
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Exactly how this will play out, but there's no doubt that he.
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I shouldn't say no doubt.
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He appears
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To want to have regular combat with the president,
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Which will keep him in the news,
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I think is how he governs, will keep him in the news.
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And then
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His relationship to the governor's race
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Where kathy hochul was endorsed, endorsed mom mamdani,
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But hasn't been, you know, reverse endorsed. so
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He will be he will be a part of the storyline.
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How big and what the variables are, i just don't know.
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And i live here
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And i follow closely, but i think there's
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So many different ways he can go.
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I will say that his election night
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Speech freaked me out as much as anything,
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Because it suggested a level of anger and, determination to,
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Make this and us versus them a governance
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That i think could be quite troubling
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For a lot of people in this city.
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One more, segment with you, mark, in just a second,
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In genesis
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12 three, god made a powerful promise
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To abraham, the father of the jewish people.
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I will bless those who bless you.
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The christian bible tells us
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That we have been grafted into god's family tree.
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The rich olive tree of israel,
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The very foundations of the christian faith,
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The bible and jesus, whom christians call
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The messiah, are deeply rooted in israel.
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Supporting israel aligns christians with god's
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Prophetic timeline.
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It demonstrates our willingness to be instruments of
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God's blessing, uplifting his chosen people,
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And it calls us to confront and heal
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The centuries old wounds of anti-semitism.
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The scripture says how good and how
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Pleasant it is when brethren dwell together.
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You can be part of this historic movement
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Of bringing light to our world.
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Learn more by going to ifc.
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J.org today.
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J.org today.
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We are joined by mark halperin,
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Host of next up on the mac and kelly network,
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Editor in chief of two way great program.
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Mark, so, you know, we talked about this left wing populism.
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Charlie predicted its rise in ascendancy.
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And obviously, maga was the beginning
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Of this populist wave in the united states.
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But, you know, there's there's growing consternation
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On the right that perhaps we're we're losing touch.
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Maybe the administration is losing touch with the base.
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Trump has this interview with laura ingraham last night.
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We'll just give you a taste of it.
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I can't tell you how many people are texting me
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Clips going like, did he really just say that?
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Play cut?
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122 when somebody makes a statement about he's
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Devoting time to the world, well,
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The world is the united states
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Because of the world is in trouble, or of
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The world is ripping us off.
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It's easy to say, oh, don't worry about the world,
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But the world is turning out to be our biggest customer.
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The world is the world was on fire
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And we could have been in that fire very easily.
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If you didn't have a president that knew what he was doing.
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Word there or the phrase there,
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The world is the united states, i think, you know, keyed off
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The america first, psyche in a, in a
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And to be diplomatic, though and actually,
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I think what he was trying to say
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Was that if you don't if the world's out of control,
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We're going to have
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We're going to have a real hard time
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Finding peace and prosperity here at home.
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You have to put out the fires when they when they come up, i,
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I know what he was saying.
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I think people are making too much of it.
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But there is this, this note that we're focusing too much
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On foreign policy, not enough on domestic policy.
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Is that what you're seeing in the polling,
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The trends, the conversation,
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That that you're hearing in your circles, mark
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The the populace of both parties,
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Whether it's maga or bernie sanders supporters,
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They're like, come home, america. wait.
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You know, you know, it sounds like
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Mitt romney saying corporations are people, too.
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And look, being commander in chief,
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You've got responsibilities.
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And the president's view
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Of how to make america successful, as you said,
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Is to be more engaged economically with the world
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In a way that's advantageous to the united states
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And not turn the back on countries who we can help,
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Help themselves and to have more allies.
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So i don't, i don't i think the proof will be
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For so many of the answers to some of these questions,
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For both the establishment of the party and, and maga is
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What will the economy be like at the end of the day?
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This is the key.
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We have a clip here that
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I think some people have the you know, it can
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Sometimes the framing is they're not focused
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On the domestic sphere enough, but it also is possible.
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Maybe the domestic sphere is
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Just not super popular right now. and let's set that up.
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Trump spoke with laura ingraham.
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Yeah, let's play.
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176 we down on energy.
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We're down on interest rate.
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You know interest rates are down despite the fed.
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Now if the fed if we had a normal person
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That the fed would have really low interest rates.
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And we will soon have that.
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We'll have somebody that are people saying
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They're anxious about the economy.
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Why are they saying that?
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I don't know that they are saying i think polls are fake.
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We have the greatest economy we've ever had.
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We have,
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We will have over $20 trillion coming into our economy.
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And it's largely because of my election,
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But it's also largely because of tariffs.
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Mark, you are inside the oval office.
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You have the president's ear for 30 minutes
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And you're giving him messaging advice.
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Given this dynamic on the
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On the domestic front, what is your advice
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To president trump on how to message this?
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Well, i'm not in the business of giving messaging advice
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To any politicians, but just looking at the polling
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And talking to a lot of voters, it really doesn't matter
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How you message it.
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Is the economy going to be better next year or not?
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The economy's
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There's a lot of strong signs, not just the stock market.
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There are other strong signs,
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But people are still really uneasy about the economy.
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And it's pretty simple, not just for a president who put,
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Affordability and the economy
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Front and center, but for any president.
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Will people, before the midterms,
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Will people at the end of his presidency
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Say, yeah,
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That guy had a theory of the case
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About how to make our lives
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Better, particularly on the economy.
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I don't think it matters how he messages it.
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I mean, obviously there's
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There's there's ways to do it that are worse than others.
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But that's not people aren't looking for messaging.
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They're looking for their lives
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To get better and more affordable.
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So mark, you're basically saying 2026 comes down to
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Maybe some of these
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Redistricting battles, but it's the economy, stupid.
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And the second follow up question
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More than anything else. yeah, yeah.
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Follow up question is the hispanic vote.
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One of the things i'm looking at
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Is we're engineering these maps in texas
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Based on hispanic vote modeled off of 2024.
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I'm concerned, especially with the economy,
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That that's going to have
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A big outsized impact with the hispanic community.
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The data in polling and on election day last week
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Makes it clear that president trump did not create a,
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A, realignment moving the hispanic vote
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Or particularly young hispanic man.
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From the democrat comes the republican column.
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What happened
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Was because of biden, harris, and somewhat
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Because of the president's appeal,
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They they
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Shifted away from the democrats
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And they parked temporarily on trump.
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Will they will they realign towards republicans
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Like in that texas district or around the country?
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Are they up for grabs?
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We don't know,
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Because it may have simply been the combination of trump
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On the ballot and biden harris policies that moved them.
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And here's an irony.
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The more the print,
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The more the president remakes our culture
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And makes it less
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Politically correct, the harder it is for republicans
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To win hispanic votes
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Because they no longer have that to play off of in
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And i rebel against mark halperin.
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See you soon. thank you, my friend.
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We have a great guest up next.
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We is his name is christopher rufo.
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He needs no introduction for most of you.
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Christopher, welcome to the show.
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Honored to have you.
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And congratulations on your new show.
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Rufo and lomas,
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I appreciate it.
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Thank you so much. yeah.
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This is, i mean, i, i we have a topic,
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A very clear topic
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That we're going to get to about bringing together
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The disparate coalitions, on the right.
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However, i just want to encourage i,
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The show that you're doing with lopez is going to be a must
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Listen to for if you want to hear sort of.
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I would say just really smart dialog, challenging
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The ideas, everything that's going on in all the chaos.
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Maybe just tell us one more.
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Give us a few lines
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About about the show and why you guys are doing it.
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Yeah, we're doing a show called rufo and lomas.
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It's me, rufo, and my friend jonathan lomas cooperman.
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Look, we're both creatives.
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I was a documentary filmmaker.
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Lomas was an english professor.
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And so we're trying to tackle culture and politics
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Through a different lens than people are used to in
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The kind of traditional right wing talk radio format.
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We're trying to
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Take all of the chaos out of the digital sphere.
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We're trying to break it down, dissect it,
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Analyze it for people, and really serve as a trusted,
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Responsible guide through the times that we're in.
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And, i think that's what
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The responsibility for all of us is to do.
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Right now.
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We have a very chaotic politics.
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We have a lot of infighting on the right.
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And it's time for those of us who have the ability, to
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To step up and try to be a really responsible guide,
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Much like, charlie kirk was for so many people.
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Yeah, that's that's well, well said.
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And a good a good segue.
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And blake's going to kind of bring us to your tweet.
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114 you, you
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You brought this, this you tweeted this yesterday.
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Yeah.
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And i thought it was. so we got to here. yeah.
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So you just said it's become very clear in retrospect
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That charlie kirk was holding the right together
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And that we need jd vance to step into that role,
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Which will require
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Settling disputes and laying out the boundaries
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Of the coalition.
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Nixon figured out how to do this
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After being vice president.
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So and then someone said, you know, vance
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Should have his own podcast,
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Which we've had him on a few times,
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And we should hopefully do that again in the future.
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But yeah, i think that's
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For those who aren't aware, who are watching.
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There's been a lot of
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Discussion of this online because there's been,
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A lot of arguments within the right over,
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You know, for example, when tucker interviewed
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Nick fuentes is what are the barrier? yeah.
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On the israel question, on different
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Foreign policy questions on a lot of stuff.
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What's, up for debate?
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What's not up for debate? what's beyond the pale?
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And you know, charlie was such a coalition builder.
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He was so interested in
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Keeping the focus on get wins against the left.
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Don't you know,
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Charlie would not have been having a big fight over
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What the right should believe a week
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Before the elections in virginia and new jersey.
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And i think it's very important.
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Emphasize that, and i'm glad you are emphasizing it.
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Chris. yeah. and so, chris.
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Yeah, build on why.
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Jd why do you see him
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As uniquely positioned to be that person?
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Well, look, i mean, i think again, in retrospect, i saw it.
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And, you know, i remember during the transition period,
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I talked with charlie
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And he called me and he said, hey,
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I need great names for people to staff the department
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Of education. i'm down at mar-a-lago.
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We're trying to pick a great team.
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And that's the moment that i realized that he was
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Someone that in public had this huge role,
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But also in private, he was essential
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In figuring out
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How to get good people together
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That were focused on the mission
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That were going to deliver results.
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And i think i didn't quite understand
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That and appreciate that until after he was gone.
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And then there's this sense of a void.
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There's no there's no one that can stitch together
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The various coalitions,
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Into the maga movement, into the into the general.
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Right.
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He was really just an incredible leader
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In that regard.
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And as i'm looking around for other people who could
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Fill his shoes and serve in that same capacity,
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The first person that obviously comes to
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Mind is the sitting vice president of the united states.
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You know, he jd has great relationships
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With all the various factions on the right.
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He of course,
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Has the bully pulpit of being the vice president.
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That's actually, quite helpful to be in a powerful position.
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And he can really gatekeeper in a unique way
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Of offering the access to the white house,
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Offering access to,
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You know, the office of the vice president.
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And then getting people in line.
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And look,
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The right is facing this question now, obviously, it's
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Very chaotic.
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Many of us wish that we weren't doing it.
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For example, right before election.
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But the cat is now out of the bag.
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And i think we need to resolve
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These questions sooner rather than later.
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And i think the vice president has the authority,
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The credibility, and more importantly,
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The relationships to get the job done.
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I could see why he would want
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To kind of let things maybe resolve naturally.
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But i hope that he steps up and
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I hope that he can be a galvanizing figure.
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I hope he can be a figure that, really sets, the boundaries
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And also sets the direction so that all of us can be
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More effective in our work.
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Yeah, i want to let's, let's.
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Charlie was, of course, a big fan of the vice president.
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Very hard for him to become vice
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President and senator before that.
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And so let's go to the man himself.
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This is charlie on jd.
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Let's play 158.
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We recognized his gifts early on.
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I saw the talent and i said, this is the guy.
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This is the one.
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Jd vance has become
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Such a warrior for our cause in the past six months.
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Jd vance
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Is acting and looking
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Like the vice president that donald trump needs,
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The vice president that donald trump deserves.
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And maybe beyond that, even the 40th president.
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We're a long way from that.
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We shouldn't even think or talk too much openly about that.
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But he's a rock star.
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He's smart.
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He's capable, he's humble, he's phenomenal.
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And what an upgrade from what we had
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During that last administration.
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He was in jd's corner 1,000,000,000%.
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I can tell you this
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From the first time we had him on the show years ago,
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When it was just talking about all he'd always say.
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People would say, like, charlie,
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You should run for president.
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He's like, i don't need to run for president.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So that
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I mean,
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That holds a significance within the conservative
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Movement at this
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That the charlie was such a huge proponent of his.
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Yeah, i think that's right.
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And i think again, he really set the example.
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If you see how charlie dealt with kind of right wing
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Racialism, right wing conspiracies,
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The groper movement more broadly, he was trying to
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Kind of create good boundaries that would benefit.
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And he understood that sometimes there is, you know,
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Addition through subtraction in a political coalition.
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There are certain groups that you want to manage,
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And there are certain groups that you want to manage out
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Because ultimately they detract.
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And the end of my tweet was a reference to richard nixon.
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And if you look at the history of nixon, nixon was
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Derailed in his 1962 campaign for california governor
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By the john birch society, which in that time
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Represented a more extreme form of right wing conspiracies.
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They, of course, were famous for attacking
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President eisenhower as a, you know, communist
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Agent, look, again, nixon won 49 states.
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I think he has, he demonstrated
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One potential model for this.
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That could be, very important.
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And of course, nixon,
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Was, you know, formerly served as vice president.
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And so that's why i think the historical, example
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Might be useful and might offer a plausible way forward.
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Christopher rufo, host of the new show.
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Rufo and lomas, two really great, great guys.
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Thought leaders in the movement.
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Thank you. chris. we'll have you on thanks, gentlemen.
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We truly are living in a historic time.
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After 738 days, the 20 living israeli hostages
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Have been released from captivity
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And those who were killed will finally rest in peace near
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Their loved ones. praise god!
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In this time of celebration, our good friends
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At the international fellowship of christians and jews
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Send their deepest gratitude for your prayers
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And unwavering support.
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Thanks to you, the fellowship has provided
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$300 million in emergency aid since october 7th,
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Including millions in direct support for the hostages
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And their families.
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Of course, the road ahead is still a long one.
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Much needs to be done to restore
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And revive these victims of terrorism.
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But that's exactly what the fellowship does.
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For example,
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They're assisting returned hostages,
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Along with their families and friends, with immediate
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Medical, psychological and financial support.
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They're also providing
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Mental health care for israelis of all ages.
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To find out how you can help, visit ifc.org.
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That's ifc.org.
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Mark Halperin: November 12, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today

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