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  • International fellowship of christians and jews.
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  • I want to take the start of this show
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  • To address some of the things that have been going around
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  • On public, namely about a text, a group text chain
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  • That has been made known, and released, by candace owens.
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  • And i just want to address it head on because, you know,
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  • That was a text grab a screengrab that i had shared.
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  • With people.
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  • So it it is authentic and i want to go into it
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  • Because i actually am really excited
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  • That the the truth is out there.
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  • I first want to say
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  • The reason i have i didn't share that screengrab
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  • Publicly is because it was a private
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  • It was a private exchange, and i felt like it didn't
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  • Necessarily comport with things that were already public.
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  • I wanted to not betray my friend's trust in that way,
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  • But i did share it with some people in government
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  • Because it happened really quick.
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  • It was, you know, it
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  • Took 33 hours for authorities to get their suspect.
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  • And in that first, in those first moments, we wanted
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  • No stone unturned.
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  • We wanted to leave nothing unturned.
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  • So i shared it with a few people.
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  • Don't know where it went from there, apparently.
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  • But here we are. so
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  • One of the reasons, blake,
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  • That i'm glad to have this now, public, it was not mine
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  • To share publicly, but, i just want to say that,
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  • You know,
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  • It's we have to let free speech be our north star here.
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  • Okay.
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  • Charlie was adamantly free speech,
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  • And i am not personally going to impugn anybody's character
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  • Who is asking questions and looking for answers.
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  • All right.
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  • And i will say that that text chain is consistent
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  • With public frustrations that he voiced many times.
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  • And i know, blake, you were in the trenches
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  • On a lot of this stuff because we were workshopping
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  • How we
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  • Were going to do the tour and what we,
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  • You know, he's going to get asked about israel
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  • Or is he going to say,
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  • And this is consistent with things that he told
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  • His friends, people that are, you know, in the in the wider
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  • Movement about his wrestle that he was going.
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  • And so i just want to say, like,
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  • What is the truth about the way charlie felt about israel?
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  • Well, it's complicated and it's nuanced.
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  • And it was a wrestle that was going on for months,
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  • And it's probably somewhere between the letter and
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  • The text.
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  • I don't even think there's a between about it.
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  • I think those
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  • Are entirely consistent with the exact same worldview.
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  • Charlie was not hiding things from people.
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  • There's going
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  • There's people are going to try to make you fixate
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  • On a particular quote or a particular line to make
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  • You think that there was something hidden.
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  • There was nothing hidden about charlie's views on israel.
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  • Like charlie, i worked with charlie
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  • On every major issue that we talked about,
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  • You know, immigration, abortion, transgender stuff.
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  • And he thought about the israel issue a ton all the time.
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  • It was in the news all the time.
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  • People cared about it a lot. he cared about it a lot.
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  • Just before the shooting happened, i finished reading
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  • This is a 700 page book about the history
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  • Of the israel-palestine conflict.
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  • I read this book
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  • Because charlie said, blake, get really well versed on this
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  • So you can help me whenever it comes up
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  • And just know stuff off the top of your head.
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  • Yeah. so i read it for that reason.
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  • If you want to know charlie's views on the gaza war,
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  • He wanted the war to end.
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  • He didn't want america to take palestinian refugees.
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  • He was annoyed when people advocated
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  • That he didn't want american troops
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  • On the ground there, or with any other war,
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  • And he was upset when he saw stories
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  • About churches being damaged or christians being killed.
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  • But at the same time, he recognized
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  • Hamas started the war.
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  • Hamas could end the war.
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  • Israel ultimately represented european civilization.
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  • Hamas represented middle eastern barbarism,
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  • And hamas were the chief evil doers, and people who supported
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  • Them were almost always supporting them for these bad
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  • Like anti civilizational reasons.
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  • Yeah, that's what his view was.
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  • And he was public about that.
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  • And then as it continued,
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  • Charlie talked to young people all the time.
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  • He could see what was going on on the internet.
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  • He could see among young conservatives
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  • There was a big shift to be hostile to israel.
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  • There was a shift big time on the left,
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  • But it was also visible on the right.
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  • He could tell anti-semitism was rising in america,
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  • And that upset him.
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  • Charlie was public about this.
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  • He loved israel.
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  • He cared about israel,
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  • And he cared about how that well and he wanted to
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  • He wanted to help the pro-israel movement.
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  • Yeah. and i want to i want to play this.
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  • It's a long clip.
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  • But, you know, i said something on the alex
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  • Clarke show that was, in my mind,
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  • Completely consistent with charlie's public views,
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  • About israel.
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  • And that is something that he also,
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  • He expressed very publicly on megyn kelly.
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  • Now, i know this clip has gone viral,
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  • But i think it's worth playing again.
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  • So here's charlie in his own words with megyn kelly cut 65.
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  • And i and i will say this,
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  • The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly,
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  • Are pushing people like you and me away,
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  • Not like we're going to be pro hamas,
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  • Not like we're going to, but we're like, honestly,
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  • The way you are treating me is so repulsive.
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  • I have text messages.
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  • Meghan calling me an anti-semite.
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  • I am learning hebrew and writing a book on the shabbat.
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  • I honor the shabbat, literally the jewish sabbath.
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  • I visit israel and fight for it.
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  • And there's another article out in the times of israel today.
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  • I could read it on air.
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  • I was just reading before i got on.
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  • Charlie, what are you doing?
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  • Like, why are you.
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  • What am i doing?
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  • I'm sorry.
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  • Like, let's just take a step back here
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  • Like i'm an american citizen.
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  • Yes. i want israel to win.
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  • Yes, i'm a christian.
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  • But like the some of the mess and you saw,
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  • I mean, you've seen all been treated meghan by some.
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  • Not all by some. no, it's very irritating.
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  • It says it's been unfair.
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  • They're coming after you
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  • After a turning point for, among other
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  • You a dave smith there.
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  • Dave smith is a criticize israel where
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  • Both sides of the israeli side not present.
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  • No no you're not allowed to.
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  • It's even worse than that.
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  • Again, i just want to repeat for the fifth time,
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  • I love israel. i want israel to win.
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  • But my moral character is now being put into question.
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  • Meghan, not my decisions.
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  • Not like, hey, are you doing this?
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  • Is it smart or is it dumb?
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  • But no, i am a bad person.
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  • If i do this and it's i could go.
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  • I mean, you saw it, meghan. it was trending on twitter.
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  • Thousands of tweets and text messages.
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  • And if i were to be charitable and generous, i will say
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  • The people that are attacking me rna hyper paranoid state
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  • Because they're at war and war tends to make things
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  • Black and white and you're a hammer looking for a nail.
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  • So i'm trying to be charitable.
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  • Meghan.
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  • Literally, i'm trying to cut as much slack
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  • As i can right there.
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  • Okay.
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  • What would it be like if all of a sudden
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  • I'm starting to see a pattern of behavior similar
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  • To what my grandparents saw in 1930s germany online?
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  • How would i behave?
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  • So that's like my charitable kind of over
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  • Compensation spirit.
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  • At the same time, i'm like, but you're
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  • It's not defensible to be dumb, right?
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  • Yeah. so and it's offensive.
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  • It's offensive to those of us
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  • Who have been out there defending them in
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  • Many instances against critics on our own side.
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  • I just i want to really emphasize that
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  • People will use screengrabs of things to suggest
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  • There was distance between what
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  • Charlie personally believed and what he said publicly.
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  • And i really don't think
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  • There was i think anything you can see
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  • In a screenshot from any group chat is also
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  • What charlie was saying publicly.
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  • Charlie would say publicly, i am frustrated by what
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  • Pro-israel people in the us do to pressure people.
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  • I am frustrated.
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  • He thought it was counterproductive.
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  • He thought it was. he thought it was.
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  • It was making the problem
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  • Counterproductive for the issue at large.
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  • And it was personally hurtful to him
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  • Because he faced attacks that he thought were unjustified
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  • And that,
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  • You know,
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  • And were hurtful to him because they were people
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  • He considered friends and allies.
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  • And he cared a lot about that, because charlie,
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  • As i've always said, charlie was a person who cared.
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  • He was a good person.
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  • He cared about the good of america.
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  • He cared about the good of the world.
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  • He was a man.
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  • He cared about the good of american jews.
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  • He cared about the good of christians.
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  • And he saw that
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  • The israel issue was important to all of those things,
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  • And he wanted to have
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  • A healthy way forward in that relationship.
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  • That is why he did the panel at student action summit.
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  • That's why he would talk about this so much.
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  • He was trying to chart a good way forward in that.
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  • And he met opposition and obstacles that frustrated him.
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  • I saw it all the time.
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  • I talked to him about it all the time
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  • I talked to him at length.
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  • How should we word things?
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  • Because this is something we have to be careful on
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  • And we have to be precise on. yeah.
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  • And that's how it was.
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  • That's how he seriously took the issues chats, by the way.
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  • Like it was a it's a it was a place for him
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  • To feel like he could vent.
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  • Right.
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  • And so, so anyways, i think we've, we've hit
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  • All the points now we're going to bring in halperin
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  • For reaction and some more, news that he's tracking.
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  • Be right back.
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  • In genesis
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  • 12 three, god made a powerful promise
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  • To abraham, the father of the jewish people.
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  • I will bless those who bless you.
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  • The christian bible tells us
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  • That we have been grafted into god's family tree.
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  • The rich olive tree of israel,
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  • The very foundations of the christian faith,
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  • The bible and jesus, whom christians call
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  • The messiah, are deeply rooted in israel.
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  • Supporting israel aligns christians with god's
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  • Prophetic timeline.
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  • It demonstrates our willingness to be instruments of
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  • God's blessing, uplifting his chosen people,
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  • And it calls us to confront and heal
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  • The centuries old wounds of anti-semitism.
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  • The scripture says how good and how
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  • Pleasant it is when brethren dwell together.
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  • You can be part of this historic movement
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  • Mark halperin
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  • Two atv, next up with mark halperin.
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  • Are you there,
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  • Gentlemen? i'm here.
  • 00:11:06.957 --> 00:11:08.658
  • Well, i'm told you were watching.
  • 00:11:08.658 --> 00:11:11.228
  • What?
  • 00:11:11.228 --> 00:11:11.928
  • What are your reactions, mark?
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  • Look, it depends on
  • 00:11:13.330 --> 00:11:14.397
  • How much trouble you want me to get into on israel.
  • 00:11:14.397 --> 00:11:16.900
  • Part of why i understand, i think the texts
  • 00:11:16.900 --> 00:11:20.170
  • And some of the other things charlie said and did, related
  • 00:11:20.170 --> 00:11:24.040
  • To israel publicly that caused controversy
  • 00:11:24.040 --> 00:11:26.176
  • Is because i sort of shared that view,
  • 00:11:26.176 --> 00:11:28.979
  • Which is, you know, i'm an appreciator of israel.
  • 00:11:28.979 --> 00:11:32.282
  • I'm a supporter of israel's
  • 00:11:32.282 --> 00:11:33.717
  • And, and, and, and respecter of israel.
  • 00:11:33.717 --> 00:11:36.820
  • But just like every american president i've ever covered,
  • 00:11:36.820 --> 00:11:40.423
  • You have to stand up to your friends sometimes
  • 00:11:40.423 --> 00:11:42.192
  • When you think they're making a mistake.
  • 00:11:42.192 --> 00:11:44.060
  • And that applies also to the people in this country
  • 00:11:44.060 --> 00:11:47.597
  • Who are supporters of israel, many of whom are wealthy
  • 00:11:47.597 --> 00:11:51.268
  • And many of whom play politics at a very high level.
  • 00:11:51.268 --> 00:11:54.104
  • And like other people who play politics
  • 00:11:54.104 --> 00:11:56.039
  • At a high level, who are rich, if you disappoint them,
  • 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:59.309
  • One of the leverage points they they have is they say, well,
  • 00:11:59.309 --> 00:12:02.679
  • If you're not doing what i want, i'm
  • 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:04.347
  • Going to not give you money.
  • 00:12:04.347 --> 00:12:05.715
  • That's not that's not specific to a pac
  • 00:12:05.715 --> 00:12:09.753
  • Or the american jewish community,
  • 00:12:09.753 --> 00:12:11.888
  • But they they do it along with everybody else.
  • 00:12:11.888 --> 00:12:14.858
  • And to say,
  • 00:12:14.858 --> 00:12:16.459
  • I want to be more honest in public
  • 00:12:16.459 --> 00:12:19.462
  • About my criticisms of israel, and if that means
  • 00:12:19.462 --> 00:12:23.033
  • Certain people who would otherwise give me money
  • 00:12:23.033 --> 00:12:25.135
  • Won't give me money, that's something to consider.
  • 00:12:25.135 --> 00:12:27.971
  • And the musings in a text is not a lifetime of statements
  • 00:12:27.971 --> 00:12:32.709
  • And point of view about israel.
  • 00:12:32.709 --> 00:12:34.077
  • It's a moment, and i would like to note.
  • 00:12:34.077 --> 00:12:36.746
  • So this would happen with donors related to this issue.
  • 00:12:36.746 --> 00:12:39.983
  • But as another example, i know that we
  • 00:12:39.983 --> 00:12:42.185
  • We faced pushback in 24 because charlie was so pro-life
  • 00:12:42.185 --> 00:12:46.323
  • For example, and there are some donors
  • 00:12:46.323 --> 00:12:48.058
  • Who are not as on board with that issue.
  • 00:12:48.058 --> 00:12:50.293
  • And they would say, you know, you guys
  • 00:12:50.293 --> 00:12:51.661
  • Either need to dial it back or we'll be less interested.
  • 00:12:51.661 --> 00:12:54.598
  • And he would say, too bad i'm pro-life.
  • 00:12:54.598 --> 00:12:58.034
  • And so he just would not be bossed around on issues.
  • 00:12:58.034 --> 00:13:00.303
  • Yeah, he he faced i mean, listen, i will tell you,
  • 00:13:00.303 --> 00:13:03.139
  • Charlie was amazing at not being cowed by donors.
  • 00:13:03.139 --> 00:13:07.944
  • And and it just like i said, one of my favorite parts
  • 00:13:07.944 --> 00:13:11.014
  • About charlie.
  • 00:13:11.014 --> 00:13:12.182
  • Wonderfully defiant, like completely independent minded.
  • 00:13:12.182 --> 00:13:15.385
  • And if you pressed him, he would
  • 00:13:15.385 --> 00:13:17.187
  • He would dig his heels in, like.
  • 00:13:17.187 --> 00:13:19.055
  • And that's why we we would joke, he'd be like, well,
  • 00:13:19.055 --> 00:13:20.924
  • Tucker is going to speak twice, you know, like, again,
  • 00:13:20.924 --> 00:13:23.860
  • Not completely, but you would do that.
  • 00:13:23.860 --> 00:13:25.228
  • But that's just how defiant that was.
  • 00:13:25.228 --> 00:13:26.563
  • He would say that in in passing or whatever.
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  • And i just want to say the other thing that's,
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  • You know,
  • 00:13:30.767 --> 00:13:31.534
  • Frustrating about this is, again,
  • 00:13:31.534 --> 00:13:32.502
  • There's an ongoing investigation.
  • 00:13:32.502 --> 00:13:34.738
  • There is a suspect, apparently they have a real good case.
  • 00:13:34.738 --> 00:13:38.475
  • And, you know, i don't know because i'm not involved
  • 00:13:38.475 --> 00:13:41.611
  • In all those conversations.
  • 00:13:41.611 --> 00:13:42.846
  • But i can tell you that people that are feel really strongly
  • 00:13:42.846 --> 00:13:45.348
  • About it. communication has been robust.
  • 00:13:45.348 --> 00:13:47.584
  • And i can't weigh in on that because guess what?
  • 00:13:47.584 --> 00:13:50.553
  • I could have negative implications
  • 00:13:50.553 --> 00:13:52.422
  • On something that is really important.
  • 00:13:52.422 --> 00:13:54.691
  • And so mark i just want to bring you in
  • 00:13:54.691 --> 00:13:57.894
  • Because you know it occurred to me immediately after,
  • 00:13:57.894 --> 00:14:01.298
  • Charlie was killed that you were
  • 00:14:01.298 --> 00:14:03.833
  • One of the last interviews and i.
  • 00:14:03.833 --> 00:14:06.236
  • That he did on your show, and i,
  • 00:14:06.236 --> 00:14:09.205
  • I just want to give you, before we dive into
  • 00:14:09.205 --> 00:14:11.808
  • Some of the immigration news and things, i,
  • 00:14:11.808 --> 00:14:14.744
  • I want to give you just an opportunity to reflect on,
  • 00:14:14.744 --> 00:14:17.147
  • You know, the last month and,
  • 00:14:17.147 --> 00:14:18.548
  • I know that you were an admirer of charlie's
  • 00:14:18.548 --> 00:14:21.251
  • And, you know, give you a chance to to reflect on that.
  • 00:14:21.251 --> 00:14:24.888
  • Well, i've a lot of thoughts about it,
  • 00:14:25.722 --> 00:14:28.024
  • And i've talked about it quite a bit.
  • 00:14:28.024 --> 00:14:29.793
  • Last week on next up, i had three of your stars.
  • 00:14:29.793 --> 00:14:33.596
  • Three, college students, all of whom
  • 00:14:33.596 --> 00:14:35.699
  • Are involved in their chapters and have gone through that.
  • 00:14:35.699 --> 00:14:38.501
  • I saw the, the challenges that,
  • 00:14:38.501 --> 00:14:41.037
  • That, conservatives face on most campuses.
  • 00:14:41.037 --> 00:14:43.873
  • I've,
  • 00:14:44.107 --> 00:14:45.375
  • I'll just tell you that
  • 00:14:45.375 --> 00:14:46.343
  • The, the the three thoughts, quickly.
  • 00:14:46.343 --> 00:14:48.845
  • And if you want to drill down any of them, we can.
  • 00:14:48.845 --> 00:14:50.246
  • First of all, i have been so, haunted
  • 00:14:50.246 --> 00:14:53.783
  • By the lack of understanding of charlie
  • 00:14:53.783 --> 00:14:56.152
  • On the part of people in blue america.
  • 00:14:56.152 --> 00:14:58.355
  • Very well informed people in my life
  • 00:14:58.355 --> 00:15:00.256
  • Who'd never heard of him or didn't really understand him.
  • 00:15:00.256 --> 00:15:02.993
  • And i think part of that vacuum has been filled
  • 00:15:02.993 --> 00:15:05.695
  • By the haters.
  • 00:15:05.695 --> 00:15:06.696
  • And, the people who want to
  • 00:15:06.696 --> 00:15:08.631
  • Mischaracterize what his life was like.
  • 00:15:08.631 --> 00:15:10.467
  • So that's been a big, a big focus of mine
  • 00:15:10.467 --> 00:15:13.269
  • Is to try to educate people in a non ideological way.
  • 00:15:13.269 --> 00:15:16.840
  • Just to understand
  • 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:17.941
  • Not just how important he was
  • 00:15:17.941 --> 00:15:19.409
  • The maga movement,
  • 00:15:19.409 --> 00:15:20.143
  • But what an extraordinary person
  • 00:15:20.143 --> 00:15:21.444
  • I say, unlike any other person in american history
  • 00:15:21.444 --> 00:15:24.314
  • Because of, of of his moment
  • 00:15:24.314 --> 00:15:25.882
  • In time where he was able to do so many things digitally.
  • 00:15:25.882 --> 00:15:28.618
  • So that's one
  • 00:15:28.618 --> 00:15:29.285
  • Is my
  • 00:15:29.285 --> 00:15:30.120
  • Real focus to try to educate people
  • 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:31.855
  • Who didn't know
  • 00:15:31.855 --> 00:15:32.889
  • Anything about him too, is being at the service
  • 00:15:32.889 --> 00:15:36.226
  • In, arizona.
  • 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:38.028
  • I wish everyone could have been there because
  • 00:15:38.028 --> 00:15:40.964
  • Unless you were in the room,
  • 00:15:40.964 --> 00:15:42.298
  • I don't think from watching videos afterwards,
  • 00:15:42.298 --> 00:15:44.567
  • I don't think you could feel what that room felt like.
  • 00:15:44.567 --> 00:15:46.803
  • But i've been to a lot of events in my life,
  • 00:15:46.803 --> 00:15:48.772
  • Including a lot of services for folks.
  • 00:15:48.772 --> 00:15:50.440
  • And i think that was, that was a remarkable,
  • 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.143
  • Moment, for, for those who were honored to be present.
  • 00:15:53.143 --> 00:15:57.180
  • And then lastly,
  • 00:15:57.180 --> 00:15:59.716
  • I tell people all the time
  • 00:16:00.283 --> 00:16:01.584
  • Who tell me, because i've gotten emotional about it.
  • 00:16:01.584 --> 00:16:04.554
  • And on my shows, we feel so sorry for you.
  • 00:16:04.554 --> 00:16:07.323
  • I literally know over a thousand people who knew,
  • 00:16:07.323 --> 00:16:09.893
  • Including the you guys who knew charlie better than i did.
  • 00:16:09.893 --> 00:16:12.796
  • But there's, there's something about his spirit.
  • 00:16:12.796 --> 00:16:16.399
  • There's something
  • 00:16:16.833 --> 00:16:17.934
  • About the the, manner in which he dealt with people.
  • 00:16:17.934 --> 00:16:21.137
  • There's something about his
  • 00:16:21.137 --> 00:16:22.172
  • Place in this current moment in american history
  • 00:16:22.172 --> 00:16:25.842
  • That makes this hit people very hard.
  • 00:16:25.842 --> 00:16:27.710
  • And again,
  • 00:16:27.710 --> 00:16:28.411
  • I've been hit by hard by it
  • 00:16:28.411 --> 00:16:30.280
  • Without without claiming a relationship i didn't have.
  • 00:16:30.280 --> 00:16:33.349
  • And i've found that even in people who didn't know him.
  • 00:16:33.349 --> 00:16:35.718
  • And again, i'm sure you guys get to hundreds more than i do,
  • 00:16:35.718 --> 00:16:39.489
  • But i've gotten so many messages
  • 00:16:39.489 --> 00:16:40.924
  • From viewers of my programs who say i didn't know him.
  • 00:16:40.924 --> 00:16:44.527
  • Sometimes they said i didn't really focus on him,
  • 00:16:44.527 --> 00:16:46.596
  • Who are really touched by it.
  • 00:16:46.596 --> 00:16:48.098
  • And this is young people, older people.
  • 00:16:48.098 --> 00:16:50.433
  • I you know, i've as a journalist,
  • 00:16:50.433 --> 00:16:52.368
  • I've covered a lot of deaths
  • 00:16:52.368 --> 00:16:53.837
  • And including a lot of people who've been killed.
  • 00:16:53.837 --> 00:16:56.172
  • I don't really remember anything
  • 00:16:56.172 --> 00:16:57.440
  • That was as resonant as this for so many people
  • 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.542
  • In a deeply emotional way, off in a spiritual way,
  • 00:16:59.542 --> 00:17:02.445
  • But in a, in a way
  • 00:17:02.445 --> 00:17:03.680
  • That really hangs with people and continues to sit with them
  • 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:06.216
  • As they try to understand what happened.
  • 00:17:06.216 --> 00:17:10.320
  • One out of every five pregnancies in the us
  • 00:17:11.221 --> 00:17:14.290
  • And an abortion.
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  • Did you know that
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  • When a mother sees her baby on an ultrasound
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  • And hears the heartbeat for the first time,
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  • It increases the chance you'll choose life to 80%.
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  • An ultrasound is what saves lives.
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  • We do want to hit,
  • 00:18:16.187 --> 00:18:17.288
  • The events that are unfolding as we speak right now.
  • 00:18:17.288 --> 00:18:19.823
  • So i thought,
  • 00:18:19.823 --> 00:18:20.891
  • We should open with this showdown
  • 00:18:20.891 --> 00:18:22.760
  • That's going on between the democrat governors.
  • 00:18:22.760 --> 00:18:25.129
  • We have gavin newsom, we have jb pritzker.
  • 00:18:25.129 --> 00:18:27.898
  • We have trump throwing around the word insurrection act
  • 00:18:27.898 --> 00:18:31.902
  • With regards to ice and, you know,
  • 00:18:31.902 --> 00:18:35.372
  • Ice operations in these cities in chicago and portland,
  • 00:18:35.372 --> 00:18:38.175
  • Possibly calling out the national guard.
  • 00:18:38.175 --> 00:18:40.110
  • We're really getting a showdown on the right.
  • 00:18:40.110 --> 00:18:42.646
  • We're hearing people make comparisons to,
  • 00:18:42.646 --> 00:18:45.015
  • You know, the nullification crisis or the secession crisis.
  • 00:18:45.015 --> 00:18:48.285
  • People.
  • 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:49.386
  • I saw a photo edit of hillary clinton
  • 00:18:49.386 --> 00:18:51.055
  • In a confederate uniform because she made a tweet,
  • 00:18:51.055 --> 00:18:53.857
  • Invoking states rights.
  • 00:18:53.857 --> 00:18:55.392
  • So, yeah, mark, you're more in the middle of us.
  • 00:18:55.392 --> 00:18:57.628
  • So i thought you could give some good analysis on
  • 00:18:57.628 --> 00:19:00.397
  • What's likely to happen here and what the stakes
  • 00:19:00.397 --> 00:19:02.933
  • Are for each side. yeah.
  • 00:19:02.933 --> 00:19:04.935
  • So there's the the politics of this, right?
  • 00:19:04.935 --> 00:19:07.471
  • There's the news cycle control
  • 00:19:07.471 --> 00:19:09.139
  • And there's the 20 of the midterms, and then there's the,
  • 00:19:09.139 --> 00:19:11.909
  • You know, the future political prospects
  • 00:19:11.909 --> 00:19:13.477
  • Of people like gavin newsom. and we can talk about that.
  • 00:19:13.477 --> 00:19:15.646
  • I'll start high minded though, why do we have
  • 00:19:15.646 --> 00:19:18.182
  • Political conflicts in our system?
  • 00:19:18.182 --> 00:19:19.683
  • It's when,
  • 00:19:19.683 --> 00:19:20.718
  • There are different ideals, two or more ideals
  • 00:19:20.718 --> 00:19:22.720
  • That are competing. right?
  • 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:24.121
  • I think everybody in america would say,
  • 00:19:24.121 --> 00:19:26.790
  • That crime has overwhelmed a lot of the country
  • 00:19:26.790 --> 00:19:29.627
  • And that there's not a, there's not there's a mismatch
  • 00:19:29.627 --> 00:19:32.062
  • Between the resources.
  • 00:19:32.062 --> 00:19:33.430
  • State and local officials have to deal with crime
  • 00:19:33.430 --> 00:19:37.401
  • And, and, and what's necessary.
  • 00:19:37.401 --> 00:19:40.504
  • And then, on the immigration issue, same with same with ice
  • 00:19:40.504 --> 00:19:44.108
  • And other federal agencies in charge of
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  • In the individual states dealing with that.
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  • So i think everybody agrees that,
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  • More needs to be done somehow on crime.
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  • And then there's another competing interest
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  • That i would hope everybody would agree with,
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  • Which is federal military, active duty and reserve
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  • Should only be used in situations where it's
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  • Absolutely necessary to put them out on the street
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  • In what is effectively a law enforcement role,
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  • And maybe an aggressive law enforcement role.
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  • That should only be done when it's absolutely necessary.
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  • And the question is, is it absolutely necessary right now,
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  • It's clear the president thinks it is.
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  • And a lot of people, the polls suggest
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  • A lot of people think, yeah, the more the more the better.
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  • And and i think it's silly for people on the left to,
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  • To be so reflexively against it when,
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  • If i'm on the new york subway and, and there's people
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  • I don't care if they work for state, federal or local.
  • 00:20:29.620 --> 00:20:31.789
  • There are people, good guys and gals with guns.
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  • I'm happy to see them.
  • 00:20:34.058 --> 00:20:35.626
  • So that conflict is playing out, not at a high minded level
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  • Of of debate, debate and, you know, honest discussions
  • 00:20:40.164 --> 00:20:43.500
  • Playing out more in the first thing i talked about,
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  • Which is the politics of it.
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  • I think the president, has the upper hand
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  • Because he's shameless and ruthless
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  • And really understands the news cycle.
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  • And he controls, the flow of the human beings.
  • 00:20:54.912 --> 00:20:58.015
  • It's easier
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  • To put the national guard someplace and to stop them.
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  • And unless judges stop him, i think they'll continue to get
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  • His way.
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  • And i think this will continue to expand to more cities.
  • 00:21:05.923 --> 00:21:07.057
  • And i think democrats will continue to be flummoxed
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  • About why it is their continue taking the wrong side
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  • Of of where public opinion is on this.
  • 00:21:12.162 --> 00:21:14.164
  • How about the ice dimension of things?
  • 00:21:14.164 --> 00:21:16.166
  • We have a lot of open defiance of ice.
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  • We've had these sort of low level attacks on ice.
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  • Do you think there's an
  • 00:21:22.406 --> 00:21:23.607
  • Advantage trump has where attacks on ice
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  • Will be seen as attacks
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  • On the government generally, or attacks on law enforcement?
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  • Or will it
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  • Will the democrats
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  • Be able to spin it as this is an attack on this,
  • 00:21:33.050 --> 00:21:35.586
  • You know, trump gestapo as some of them are calling it?
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  • I think in general, the president has the upper hand on
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  • Almost anything related to immigration.
  • 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.694
  • And i mean, you know, people are not just
  • 00:21:43.694 --> 00:21:46.997
  • Violently protesting, but we had one incident,
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  • At least, of someone
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  • Shooting at an ice facility and killing people.
  • 00:21:50.968 --> 00:21:54.538
  • So, the predicate, i think, is there.
  • 00:21:54.538 --> 00:21:58.609
  • Look, if if, if, if, federal, forces,
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  • Whether they're military, active
  • 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:03.380
  • Military reserves or extra ice or fbi, whatever it is,
  • 00:22:03.380 --> 00:22:07.651
  • If they're involved in excessive use
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  • Of force or violence, that, leads to loss of life.
  • 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:13.023
  • I think, the the symbolism of it could change.
  • 00:22:13.023 --> 00:22:17.027
  • The media is in a strange place right now because.
  • 00:22:17.027 --> 00:22:20.030
  • Right, so much of this through the filter of the media,
  • 00:22:20.030 --> 00:22:21.999
  • The media is, is put back on.
  • 00:22:21.999 --> 00:22:23.667
  • It's reflexive anti-trump.
  • 00:22:23.667 --> 00:22:25.202
  • And i think that gives the president
  • 00:22:25.202 --> 00:22:26.370
  • Another advantage he doesn't typically have.
  • 00:22:26.370 --> 00:22:28.605
  • Pretty, pretty crazy stuff.
  • 00:22:28.605 --> 00:22:30.140
  • We got a minute here left. mark.
  • 00:22:30.140 --> 00:22:31.608
  • You know, any final thoughts?
  • 00:22:31.608 --> 00:22:33.210
  • Any closing, bits of wisdom you want to share?
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  • Just, ask everybody to be inspired by,
  • 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:39.483
  • As so many have been, by erica kirk's forgiveness
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  • And capacity to forgive.
  • 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:43.620
  • I think that is in two short supply in our society.
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  • And i think people on the left
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  • And the right and the middle and everywhere around
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  • Should be inspired by someone's capacity
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  • To forgive in an unthinkable situation
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  • And maybe start to forgive more people in their lives.
  • 00:22:54.765 --> 00:22:57.034
  • And and i've taken that to heart and been inspired by it.
  • 00:22:57.034 --> 00:22:59.803
  • And, i cite it regularly and, and, and i hope people,
  • 00:22:59.803 --> 00:23:03.907
  • Consider how hard that was as compared
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  • To forgiving folks in their lives.
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  • Yeah.
  • 00:23:08.312 --> 00:23:09.213
  • Well said, mark halperin, two way tv.
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  • Next up on the megan kelly network.
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  • You're doing great work, my friend.
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  • We'll have you on again soon, i'm sure.
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