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Charlie Kirk Today | Megan Basham: March 27, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | March 27, 2026
- So the big news
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- Today is the pentagon is weighing a what
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- They're calling a final blow option against iran.
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- Do you think is going to be called
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- Like operation final blow?
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- I hope not.
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- They can give it, some funny names.
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- Well, operation epic fury,
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- I actually think that's an epic name.
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- I think it's great.
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- So here's the here's the news from axios.
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- Among the options.
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- And so these are
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- Including ground operations and a massive bombing campaign,
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- According to a report thursday from axios.
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- Among the options under consideration are seizing
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- Or blockading key iranian positions,
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- Including kharg island.
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- We've heard a lot about kharg island,
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- The country's main oil export hub,
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- As well as the strategic islands of abu mas
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- Mousa and the rock near the strait of hormuz, axios
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- Reported, citing u.s.
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- Officials and sources familiar with internal deliberations.
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- Other scenarios include targeting
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- Iranian oil shipments or conducting
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- Large scale strikes on nuclear facilities, it added.
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- And president trump has reportedly
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- Not made up his mind.
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- But what we know is that all of the chess pieces
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- Are in place to do something like this.
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- And blake,
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- We've seen this before, where president
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- Trump sort of mobilizes in a region
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- And you're thinking, oh, he's it's bluster, saber rattling.
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- But lately he's tended to just kind of press the go. yes.
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- And i mean, we were thinking about,
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- I guess, you know, it was initially just the air assets.
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- But they have start
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- They did start moving these a few weeks ago.
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- And as you say, it could be two things.
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- It could be
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- So i'm very serious
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- So that they have the pressure
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- To make a deal, but more so than a lot of people and more
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- So than himself in the past, he appears
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- Ready to push through with it.
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- I think we would love to have all of your emails
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- About what you support on this, because,
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- Yeah, we're of two minds on this.
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- We're already in the conflict. we do want it.
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- We do want to win that conflict since it's begun.
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- But i am thinking always of, you know,
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- The discussions we'd have with charlie
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- And the way that, okay, if this isn't what wins
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- It, it's now just another step towards.
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- We have a bunch of troops now on the ground in the area.
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- And then if it doesn't end the war, the pressure will be,
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- Well, you could send more troops
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- And escalate more and then that will end.
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- So yeah.
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- Well cnn's even reporting on this.
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- So let's, let's get there coverage on it.
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- By the way.
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- You know, cnn was
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- The was famously denying that there was any negotiations
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- Going on.
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- And then they eventually had to
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- Backtrack and say, yes, there were negotiations
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- On a deal going on.
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- Iran has reportedly declined.
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- So here we go.
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- We're building up.
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- Sot 20
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- Well, audie,
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- Whatever the president ultimately decides
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- About a ground operation in iran, all the pieces
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- Are now in the region to carry one out.
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- And it's not just the thousand paratroopers.
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- You have marines deployed to the region.
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- And then all the forces, the air transport, etc.,
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- That one would require to to put troops on the ground,
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- Whether that be you've heard
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- The discussion of kharg island, which is so central to,
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- Iran's energy industry, or perhaps along the shores
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- Of the strait of hormuz
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- To secure the strait of hormuz, we don't know.
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- And ultimately, it's up to the president.
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- I'm just going to be
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- Really honest i, i hate it
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- I don't want to see ground troops in iran.
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- I would love for the people of iran themselves to rise up.
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- And it's you know, there's another report that
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- Bibi netanyahu suggested that we now give the signal
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- To the iranian people to rise up in the streets.
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- And president trump rebuffed
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- That and said, they'll get mowed down.
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- I mean,
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- I think we saw they clearly were leaning
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- That way when it first began.
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- Remember when the first strikes threw in?
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- A lot of the rhetoric from the president
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- Was the iranian people take back your country.
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- He was
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- Clearly gesturing towards something like that happening.
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- And in truth, i think they expected that to happen.
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- And then it didn't.
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- There wasn't a big, strong upsurge.
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- Well, i think, you know, i've been calling around on this.
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- They are waiting for the signal to go, and they can
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- Give them the signal.
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- I think the razor pavlovic could give the signal
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- And it would probably generate some movement.
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- But again, i don't think president trump
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- Thinks it's safe for them to do so yet.
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- Probably isn't.
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- And it's difficult because,
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- I mean, what we could do is we could give the signal
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- And then just explicitly launch airstrikes
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- On behalf of those people.
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- But it's difficult to coordinate
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- With a fundamentally uncoordinated mass.
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- It's difficult it's easy to do airstrikes on a,
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- You know, a facility, on a base, even on a ship,
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- But on, you know, a bunch of guys running around with arcs.
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- You know, it's a difficult
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- It's an interesting idea because i,
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- I met some persian folks recently
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- And they were basically telling me,
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- The people are ready to rise up when the signals given
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- And i said are, why are they armed?
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- He said, no, they're not.
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- And i said, well, then the irgc is armed
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- And they're going to get mowed down again.
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- Basically, what trump said,
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- An interesting potential
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- Of having, you know, the 82nd airborne,
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- These marines in position, i mean, in theory,
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- Again, i don't love this job falling to us, but
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- Maybe a potentiality here is that
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- They give the signal to go.
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- And these guys basically become like, protector force.
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- You know, i don't know, it sounds like a terrible idea.
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- I'm just saying,
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- Maybe that's one of the options on the table.
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- We've repeatedly wanted
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- Uprisings to sort of efficiently
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- And easily solve our problems in the middle east.
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- And there's often this idea
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- That any government
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- We're fighting has this a 0% approval rating
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- That will crumble as soon as you blow up a few guys.
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- And unfortunately, i think it's clear there's at least a
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- Pretty large amount of iranians who do support this regime.
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- And there might be more now because they're at war.
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- Wars radicalize people in a country.
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- Yeah.
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- When the factions within an old country,
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- An ancient culture
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- Like iran, are going to be deeper
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- Than in a country like venezuela, right?
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- So we're just going to have to see how this plays out.
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- We're going to bring in meghan basham next,
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- The great meghan basham.
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- We're going to pivot to
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- A conversation about virginity and promiscuity.
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- We'll be right back.
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- We'll be right back.
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- All right, without further ado, so excited
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- To have megan basham in studio in phoenix.
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- I know, i'm so excited to be here.
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- I'm like, i've done the show so many times,
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- But i've never been here in person.
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- So now we feel like real. we like to keep you.
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- Have you ever been in in god's furnace before?
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- I haven't, and this is unseasonably warm.
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- Yeah. this is. and i knew that.
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- So i mean, like,
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- You know, we're we're arizona born and bred.
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- So we know that you guys are having freakish weather. yeah.
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- It's great.
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- Okay, so we actually we're planning
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- On having a conversation
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- About this earlier in the week than the joe kent stuff.
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- And we brought shellenberger on, and then you were like,
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- Well, i'm going to be in phoenix anyways.
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- Like, well, then we're just going to do it then.
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- So i it's, it's a bit of a abrupt pivot
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- Because we were talking about ground troops and, and things.
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- And blake kind of laughed at the break.
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- He's like that was a, that was a oh, an awkward pivot.
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- I was like, yeah, i know we're going from ground
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- Invasions to promiscuity.
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- It yeah.
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- So this this week mike took over x,
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- Which was pretty impressive because there's a lot going on.
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- But give us give us the the rundown here.
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- Well so what it was is it went astonishingly viral.
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- It was a, a christian man named, trevor trevor sheetz.
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- And he just does kind of a what a ironic.
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- Just does a he just does a post.
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- And i don't know
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- That we want to read the whole thing,
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- But it was basically the opening
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- Line of it, which is what i think got a lot of people's
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- Attention, was my wife was formerly promiscuous,
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- I was a virgin.
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- She was then radically born again,
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- Committed to church,
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- Evangelized constantly, puritan books in her bedroom,
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- Prayer journals, grief over past sexual sin, etc.
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- We got to know each other over, each other well over a year,
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- Dated for four months, engaged for two and a half,
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- And didn't sin sexually with one another.
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- Our first kiss was on the altar of our wedding day.
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- Goes on talks about.
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- They've been married for several years now.
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- They have children and all of these things.
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- And then there's a photo
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- At the bottom of their wedding, which is very nice.
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- This has gotten 35 million views on us.
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- That's like nick, surely levels, view count.
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- And it's been very divisive, as we know,
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- Because some people say this is a perfectly fine testament.
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- Some people say it's tmi.
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- Some people say, i mean, we'll get your take on it.
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- Some people, it's really is a rorschach test
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- Because some people think, is this wallowing in a sin?
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- Is this throwing your wife under the bus?
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- Is this the right way to approach a topic like that?
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- And you wanted to say his his wife is a [***],, right?
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- He said she's a former formerly promiscuous.
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- I mean, it was literally five words
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- That like, blew up, blew up the internet.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- So what's what's your take on this, megan?
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- Okay, so i have a different take.
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- Don't be so nuanced that that i, that my eyes glaze over.
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- Nuance is not usually my problem.
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- So, you know,
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- A couple of data points i want to bring to this story.
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- One is that, this woman was a girl
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- At the time these things were going on.
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- She was under 18 years.
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- So you told me this.
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- She was she became a christian at 17.
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- So the guys who are having a really good time
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- Calling her [***], and much,
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- Much worse are not recognizing that they're actually talking
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- About the activities of someone when she was legally a child.
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- So, you know, i don't know her story.
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- I don't know what went on in her background,
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- But i she's been very public about it,
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- By the way, before this,
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- This is sort of part of their ministry, i think together.
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- Right.
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- And i mean, and she, i read her full testimony
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- And i think she said it started around 15,
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- So, you know, 15 to 17, maybe it was
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- A little younger than that.
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- But my point being,
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- Usually there
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- Is some traumatic things in someone's background
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- When they've had that experience by 17 years old.
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- So she became a christian at 17.
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- And the other thing i want to correct is
- 00:10:08.195 --> 00:10:09.663
- There was a ton of guys out there
- 00:10:09.663 --> 00:10:11.098
- Saying like, oh, she's they were basically
- 00:10:11.098 --> 00:10:14.768
- Equating her to an all array, like saying, okay,
- 00:10:14.768 --> 00:10:17.671
- So you were like a webcam girl and you were promiscuous.
- 00:10:17.671 --> 00:10:20.908
- And, you know,
- 00:10:20.908 --> 00:10:21.809
- They described it in much worse terms,
- 00:10:21.809 --> 00:10:23.410
- But then you pivoted to become a christian influencer.
- 00:10:23.410 --> 00:10:26.513
- And i'm like, no,
- 00:10:26.513 --> 00:10:27.648
- This woman became a christian almost ten years ago.
- 00:10:27.648 --> 00:10:30.084
- So it's not like she's like, oh yeah, yesterday
- 00:10:30.084 --> 00:10:33.053
- I was on onlyfans, but now i'm building up
- 00:10:33.053 --> 00:10:35.522
- My platform by saying i'm reformed.
- 00:10:35.522 --> 00:10:37.491
- This woman actually did the steps of repentance
- 00:10:37.491 --> 00:10:39.693
- And got married and has been living,
- 00:10:39.693 --> 00:10:41.195
- You know, just really she has three kids. yeah.
- 00:10:41.195 --> 00:10:43.597
- This is not somebody who like immediately
- 00:10:43.597 --> 00:10:45.566
- Was like, now embrace me as a christian influencer.
- 00:10:45.566 --> 00:10:48.035
- I mean she's she's shown repentance
- 00:10:48.035 --> 00:10:50.404
- And she's shown fruit in keeping with repentance.
- 00:10:50.404 --> 00:10:53.240
- So i'm like, this is not that kind of story.
- 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:55.442
- And i understand the resentment of young guys going, okay,
- 00:10:55.442 --> 00:10:58.345
- So the second you say, i'm, a christian now,
- 00:10:58.345 --> 00:11:01.982
- Even though five minutes ago
- 00:11:01.982 --> 00:11:03.183
- I was on onlyfans, i'm going to keep all the money.
- 00:11:03.183 --> 00:11:05.119
- And in fact, i'm going to continue to make money.
- 00:11:05.119 --> 00:11:07.087
- Now on my reform story.
- 00:11:07.087 --> 00:11:08.722
- I get the suspicion of that.
- 00:11:08.722 --> 00:11:11.492
- I get the cynicism that's not this woman.
- 00:11:11.492 --> 00:11:14.928
- So, you know,
- 00:11:14.928 --> 00:11:15.996
- That's something else i would want to emphasize
- 00:11:15.996 --> 00:11:17.364
- Because i think people didn't do enough research.
- 00:11:17.364 --> 00:11:19.533
- And i actually communicated with her a little bit.
- 00:11:19.533 --> 00:11:22.236
- Yeah.
- 00:11:22.236 --> 00:11:23.103
- So we were messaging and i just said,
- 00:11:23.103 --> 00:11:25.038
- Were you embarrassed by what your husband put out there?
- 00:11:25.038 --> 00:11:27.975
- And just as she said, i think
- 00:11:28.609 --> 00:11:30.177
- In a clip that we have, she was very clear with me.
- 00:11:30.177 --> 00:11:32.379
- No, i've been very public about my testimony.
- 00:11:32.379 --> 00:11:34.214
- I wasn't embarrassed.
- 00:11:34.214 --> 00:11:35.282
- My husband knew that he is free to talk about this.
- 00:11:35.282 --> 00:11:38.819
- And to the degree that he talked about it,
- 00:11:38.819 --> 00:11:40.654
- And we can debate
- 00:11:40.654 --> 00:11:41.755
- The wisdom of the forum in which he talked about it.
- 00:11:41.755 --> 00:11:44.424
- But this man, according to what
- 00:11:44.424 --> 00:11:47.828
- Ashley sheets told me, was very clear that he had
- 00:11:47.828 --> 00:11:51.465
- His wife's permission to discuss this topic.
- 00:11:51.465 --> 00:11:54.501
- Well, we have that clip.
- 00:11:54.501 --> 00:11:55.469
- I think this is what it is.
- 00:11:55.469 --> 00:11:56.770
- Sot 25.
- 00:11:56.770 --> 00:11:58.438
- He showed me that i was
- 00:11:58.438 --> 00:12:01.408
- My promiscuity was
- 00:12:01.408 --> 00:12:04.278
- A sin against god, and i, you
- 00:12:04.278 --> 00:12:06.413
- And i deserve to.
- 00:12:06.413 --> 00:12:10.584
- But jesus paid
- 00:12:10.918 --> 00:12:13.754
- For all my sin.
- 00:12:14.121 --> 00:12:15.789
- And all i have to do is to repen
- 00:12:15.789 --> 00:12:20.194
- And i will be new.
- 00:12:20.627 --> 00:12:23.197
- And. and that night i gave my life to jesus.
- 00:12:23.197 --> 00:12:27.634
- That person who was promiscuous is dead.
- 00:12:27.634 --> 00:12:31.405
- She's gone and i am new in christ.
- 00:12:31.405 --> 00:12:34.908
- And that is why i have no shame anymore.
- 00:12:34.908 --> 00:12:38.045
- Because god looks at me
- 00:12:38.045 --> 00:12:41.348
- As clean and robed in christ's righteousness.
- 00:12:41.348 --> 00:12:46.453
- That's a beautiful clip.
- 00:12:46.453 --> 00:12:47.321
- And theologically it's accurate.
- 00:12:47.321 --> 00:12:48.956
- Yeah.
- 00:12:48.956 --> 00:12:49.957
- And something else she said in that interview
- 00:12:49.957 --> 00:12:50.824
- If you watched it and i thought,
- 00:12:50.824 --> 00:12:51.859
- This is so different from what we have gotten
- 00:12:51.859 --> 00:12:54.228
- From the metoo movement, which is that,
- 00:12:54.228 --> 00:12:56.230
- A lot of women who obviously participated
- 00:12:56.230 --> 00:12:59.166
- In some level in consensual sexual sin,
- 00:12:59.166 --> 00:13:02.102
- Then later come back and they rewrite it.
- 00:13:02.102 --> 00:13:04.471
- Right?
- 00:13:04.471 --> 00:13:05.272
- I was traumatized, i was i didn't,
- 00:13:05.272 --> 00:13:07.908
- You know, i was abused,
- 00:13:07.908 --> 00:13:09.743
- Even though, you know, they willingly participated.
- 00:13:09.743 --> 00:13:11.745
- If there are some power imbalance, this
- 00:13:11.745 --> 00:13:14.047
- This woman was actually a minor when these things happen.
- 00:13:14.047 --> 00:13:17.050
- And yet she's very clearly
- 00:13:17.050 --> 00:13:18.852
- Taking responsibility for her own sinful choices.
- 00:13:18.852 --> 00:13:21.288
- And you don't see that often.
- 00:13:21.288 --> 00:13:22.456
- I mean, i think part of what you hear
- 00:13:22.456 --> 00:13:24.291
- From ashley sheets and using the word promiscuity
- 00:13:24.291 --> 00:13:27.728
- Is she's trying not to minimize.
- 00:13:27.728 --> 00:13:30.364
- I think you read her background.
- 00:13:30.364 --> 00:13:31.565
- I think you're right.
- 00:13:31.565 --> 00:13:32.199
- And, you know, it's funny
- 00:13:32.199 --> 00:13:34.101
- Because the guys were showing me
- 00:13:34.101 --> 00:13:36.069
- This at the office the day it was kind of blowing up,
- 00:13:36.069 --> 00:13:38.805
- And they were like, what are your thoughts?
- 00:13:38.805 --> 00:13:40.173
- What are your thoughts? and i read it.
- 00:13:40.173 --> 00:13:40.941
- I was like, honestly, i had
- 00:13:40.941 --> 00:13:42.809
- I think it's, you know,
- 00:13:43.310 --> 00:13:44.845
- It's accurate, like theologically
- 00:13:44.845 --> 00:13:46.480
- As a christian, like everything she said here
- 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.115
- Or they said, i love the verses they quote in.
- 00:13:48.115 --> 00:13:50.183
- He quotes several different verses.
- 00:13:50.183 --> 00:13:51.752
- You know, he mentions, the, the parable about debts
- 00:13:51.752 --> 00:13:54.955
- Been forgiven and then her many sins have been forgiven.
- 00:13:54.955 --> 00:13:58.458
- That is why she loved much the one
- 00:13:58.458 --> 00:13:59.960
- Who has forgiven little, loves little.
- 00:13:59.960 --> 00:14:02.062
- If anyone is in christ, he is a new creation.
- 00:14:02.062 --> 00:14:04.698
- The old has passed away.
- 00:14:04.698 --> 00:14:05.866
- And see, the new has come. that's from corinthians, right?
- 00:14:05.866 --> 00:14:08.435
- But i could tell just on the fact that everybody was
- 00:14:08.435 --> 00:14:11.204
- Showing it to me like, you know,
- 00:14:11.204 --> 00:14:12.806
- You look at the comments like, delete this,
- 00:14:12.806 --> 00:14:14.241
- Delete, it's not too late to delete this.
- 00:14:14.241 --> 00:14:15.876
- Oh, wait, it is.
- 00:14:15.876 --> 00:14:16.877
- You know, and everybody just kind of piling on.
- 00:14:16.877 --> 00:14:18.679
- I mean, here's the thing x is a really mean place.
- 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:21.581
- Yeah, it's for me.
- 00:14:21.581 --> 00:14:23.784
- Was this a good forum?
- 00:14:23.784 --> 00:14:25.018
- Yeah. it's an extraordinarily mean place.
- 00:14:25.018 --> 00:14:26.853
- Like just
- 00:14:26.853 --> 00:14:27.955
- You know we can attest to that in the last six months.
- 00:14:27.955 --> 00:14:30.791
- But so, so i think that was more of
- 00:14:30.791 --> 00:14:32.893
- The intrigue for me is just to see the way
- 00:14:32.893 --> 00:14:35.929
- People reacted and i and i, it didn't trigger me
- 00:14:35.929 --> 00:14:39.299
- When i said that being said, you know,
- 00:14:39.299 --> 00:14:42.035
- I understood that given the forum,
- 00:14:42.035 --> 00:14:44.071
- The way that that first line was in there,
- 00:14:44.071 --> 00:14:46.573
- And now people are alleging
- 00:14:46.573 --> 00:14:47.874
- That it was part of this building a platform
- 00:14:47.874 --> 00:14:49.977
- And that he's a christian marketing guy.
- 00:14:49.977 --> 00:14:51.878
- And so he knew what he was doing.
- 00:14:51.878 --> 00:14:53.513
- I don't know, i don't think i buy that.
- 00:14:53.513 --> 00:14:55.182
- I don't i don't really either, in part
- 00:14:55.182 --> 00:14:57.084
- Because again, i mean, it was like almost ten years ago
- 00:14:57.084 --> 00:15:00.687
- That, you know, this happened, that she came to christ.
- 00:15:00.687 --> 00:15:02.789
- So i'm like,
- 00:15:02.789 --> 00:15:03.623
- You know, she's been pretty public
- 00:15:03.623 --> 00:15:04.658
- With her testimony since then.
- 00:15:04.658 --> 00:15:06.159
- I think she wrote about it in 2019.
- 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.362
- It's her pinned tweet.
- 00:15:08.362 --> 00:15:10.063
- It's been there since 2019.
- 00:15:10.063 --> 00:15:11.999
- So, you know, i, i, i don't think
- 00:15:11.999 --> 00:15:14.568
- We can read their motives right there.
- 00:15:14.568 --> 00:15:15.802
- So yeah i'm going to go i think everybody who's saying
- 00:15:15.802 --> 00:15:18.872
- We know why they're doing that, we can't know that.
- 00:15:18.872 --> 00:15:21.108
- Yeah i mean i agree the
- 00:15:21.108 --> 00:15:23.910
- So but it kind of does.
- 00:15:23.910 --> 00:15:25.846
- You hit on a vein here that i think has a lot of rich
- 00:15:25.846 --> 00:15:29.750
- Stuff to explore because we had a guy
- 00:15:29.750 --> 00:15:32.185
- Named gabe saint in the studio yesterday,
- 00:15:32.185 --> 00:15:35.255
- And he was talking about the animosity and the resentment
- 00:15:35.255 --> 00:15:38.291
- Between the sexes, especially with gen z.
- 00:15:38.291 --> 00:15:40.694
- And there is a distortion of, you know, what young women
- 00:15:40.694 --> 00:15:44.931
- Expect from their men and what
- 00:15:44.931 --> 00:15:48.835
- Young men are even capable of providing.
- 00:15:48.835 --> 00:15:51.605
- He kept using his word simps
- 00:15:51.605 --> 00:15:53.440
- That they were kind of these beta male, these
- 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:55.375
- These sort of weak, weak men that don't know how to lead,
- 00:15:55.375 --> 00:15:58.378
- They don't know how to be masculine.
- 00:15:58.378 --> 00:15:59.446
- And then the ones that do,
- 00:15:59.446 --> 00:16:01.014
- They're not free to be strong and masculine,
- 00:16:01.014 --> 00:16:03.617
- And the women want the men
- 00:16:03.617 --> 00:16:04.885
- To accept all of this responsibility
- 00:16:04.885 --> 00:16:07.154
- To be the provider, take care of them,
- 00:16:07.154 --> 00:16:08.388
- Bring them flowers,
- 00:16:08.388 --> 00:16:09.523
- Take them on dates, pay for dinner,
- 00:16:09.523 --> 00:16:11.058
- But they don't give them any authority in the relationship.
- 00:16:11.058 --> 00:16:13.360
- So they're just
- 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:14.394
- Expecting the men to sort of worship
- 00:16:14.394 --> 00:16:16.563
- Them and and revolve around them.
- 00:16:16.563 --> 00:16:18.565
- And it feels like there is this healthy imbalance in
- 00:16:18.565 --> 00:16:21.234
- You talked about.
- 00:16:21.234 --> 00:16:22.402
- You understood the suspicion
- 00:16:22.402 --> 00:16:24.838
- That women get to be sort of promiscuous.
- 00:16:24.838 --> 00:16:27.674
- And then when they just claim the name of jesus, they,
- 00:16:27.674 --> 00:16:30.710
- You know, good men have to take them back or something.
- 00:16:30.710 --> 00:16:32.779
- There is a lot there because they're under under
- 00:16:32.779 --> 00:16:36.283
- Underlying a lot of this is is a really unhealthy,
- 00:16:36.283 --> 00:16:40.620
- I think, relationship between the sexes.
- 00:16:40.620 --> 00:16:43.390
- We'll get into that in the next segment.
- 00:16:43.390 --> 00:16:47.002
- We'll get into that in the next segment.
- 00:16:47.002 --> 00:16:52.306
- Another debate that was going on in the last few days.
- 00:16:53.340 --> 00:16:55.742
- There was a woman who on, i believe a woman on x
- 00:16:55.742 --> 00:16:58.378
- Who basically said it's not appropriate to ask people
- 00:16:58.378 --> 00:17:01.148
- To date, like in a church setting.
- 00:17:01.148 --> 00:17:02.916
- That's not what women. i was so horrified by that.
- 00:17:02.916 --> 00:17:05.052
- That's the i saw you definitely disagree husband the church.
- 00:17:05.052 --> 00:17:07.988
- But more generally, i guess, what should
- 00:17:07.988 --> 00:17:10.023
- The approach of churches or just conservative
- 00:17:10.023 --> 00:17:12.826
- Movements generally be towards this crisis?
- 00:17:12.826 --> 00:17:15.696
- Because it will destroy human civilization, right.
- 00:17:15.696 --> 00:17:19.099
- And so up to now,
- 00:17:19.099 --> 00:17:21.168
- I think the church has now
- 00:17:21.168 --> 00:17:22.136
- Realized they have handled it abominably.
- 00:17:22.136 --> 00:17:24.838
- I mean, i can show you just a couple of years ago
- 00:17:24.838 --> 00:17:26.807
- You have essays that,
- 00:17:26.807 --> 00:17:27.941
- Like the gospel coalition in places like that saying
- 00:17:27.941 --> 00:17:29.877
- We have to stop making marriage an idol.
- 00:17:29.877 --> 00:17:31.979
- We have to not make family an idol.
- 00:17:31.979 --> 00:17:33.914
- And it's very much that proverbial, c.s.
- 00:17:33.914 --> 00:17:36.383
- Lewis quote about
- 00:17:36.383 --> 00:17:37.451
- You have these guys running around
- 00:17:37.451 --> 00:17:39.219
- With fire extinguishers to put out floods.
- 00:17:39.219 --> 00:17:41.788
- That's essentially what they're doing,
- 00:17:41.788 --> 00:17:43.423
- Because you're like, we we have a massive problem of,
- 00:17:43.423 --> 00:17:46.160
- A crashing birthrate, a crashing marriage rate.
- 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:49.363
- And in the meantime, the church has been telling
- 00:17:49.363 --> 00:17:51.298
- Us, don't idolize marriage and family.
- 00:17:51.298 --> 00:17:53.300
- And i'm like, i don't think that's our problem right now.
- 00:17:53.300 --> 00:17:55.836
- So, you know, that's first is that we actually have
- 00:17:55.836 --> 00:17:58.972
- To acknowledge that, it is very important civilizational
- 00:17:58.972 --> 00:18:03.644
- That we form families and that is scriptural.
- 00:18:03.644 --> 00:18:06.480
- You know, it's biblical that we recognize
- 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.148
- The building block of mother, father children.
- 00:18:08.148 --> 00:18:11.752
- So, you know, that's the first part.
- 00:18:11.752 --> 00:18:14.054
- The second part is
- 00:18:14.054 --> 00:18:14.988
- The messaging absolutely needs to be no,
- 00:18:14.988 --> 00:18:16.990
- You should be looking for your spouse at church.
- 00:18:16.990 --> 00:18:18.725
- Where better to look for your spouse?
- 00:18:18.725 --> 00:18:21.094
- And you know that also, i would say
- 00:18:21.094 --> 00:18:25.499
- We also need to have an education of young women
- 00:18:25.499 --> 00:18:28.035
- In how to be gracious in saying no, thank you.
- 00:18:28.035 --> 00:18:30.671
- So that if a young man asks one woman out
- 00:18:30.671 --> 00:18:32.839
- And she's not that interested at church,
- 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.775
- If he then, you know,
- 00:18:34.775 --> 00:18:36.243
- A few weeks later or a couple of months
- 00:18:36.243 --> 00:18:37.611
- Later asks out her friend,
- 00:18:37.611 --> 00:18:39.479
- That first girl should not go and say, oh, he's so creepy.
- 00:18:39.479 --> 00:18:43.016
- He asked me out too.
- 00:18:43.016 --> 00:18:44.351
- I mean, that's the kind of thing that's
- 00:18:44.351 --> 00:18:45.619
- A kind of mean
- 00:18:45.619 --> 00:18:46.653
- Girl thing that i hear a lot about anecdotally.
- 00:18:46.653 --> 00:18:48.789
- And i think that's real.
- 00:18:48.789 --> 00:18:49.723
- So much of the system has broken down
- 00:18:49.723 --> 00:18:51.291
- Over time as marriage rates have declined,
- 00:18:51.291 --> 00:18:53.260
- As like, courtship periods have extended.
- 00:18:53.260 --> 00:18:55.295
- Because i remember another thing that went viral
- 00:18:55.295 --> 00:18:56.930
- A few months ago was just talking
- 00:18:56.930 --> 00:18:58.131
- About people dating back in like the 40s and 50s and like,
- 00:18:58.131 --> 00:19:02.603
- Oh, these people are dating 4 or 5 people at a time.
- 00:19:02.603 --> 00:19:04.838
- Well, yeah, because they actually are
- 00:19:04.838 --> 00:19:05.973
- Just going on dates with. right.
- 00:19:05.973 --> 00:19:07.874
- They're not having these extended relationships.
- 00:19:07.874 --> 00:19:09.710
- That's why i think about steady go anything.
- 00:19:09.710 --> 00:19:11.912
- Exactly. and it was like the
- 00:19:11.912 --> 00:19:14.014
- The defining the relationship moment.
- 00:19:14.014 --> 00:19:16.149
- I want to go steady with you. right.
- 00:19:16.149 --> 00:19:17.484
- You know it's like
- 00:19:17.484 --> 00:19:18.352
- And then it was usually a brief thing
- 00:19:18.352 --> 00:19:19.453
- I think about one thing i wonder about is
- 00:19:19.453 --> 00:19:22.389
- Is there damage that's done, for example, just
- 00:19:22.389 --> 00:19:24.558
- It seems much more of the norm,
- 00:19:24.558 --> 00:19:25.726
- Even in christian communities, to just be in a unmarried,
- 00:19:25.726 --> 00:19:29.196
- Unengaged relationship for one year, two year, three years.
- 00:19:29.196 --> 00:19:32.432
- Then you get engaged for a year and a half, and then
- 00:19:32.432 --> 00:19:34.835
- You actually pull the trigger and it's just
- 00:19:34.835 --> 00:19:36.737
- No one was doing that.
- 00:19:36.737 --> 00:19:37.771
- Back when we actually had
- 00:19:37.771 --> 00:19:39.506
- Thriving families and a 2% divorce rate.
- 00:19:39.506 --> 00:19:41.975
- Yeah.
- 00:19:41.975 --> 00:19:42.376
- And, you know,
- 00:19:42.376 --> 00:19:43.210
- I haven't looked deeply
- 00:19:43.210 --> 00:19:44.311
- Into this story, but one of the other interesting,
- 00:19:44.311 --> 00:19:47.614
- Developments a couple of weeks ago was pastor
- 00:19:47.614 --> 00:19:51.051
- Josh howerton, like, challenging the shacking up or,
- 00:19:51.051 --> 00:19:54.955
- You know, let's say promiscuous couples
- 00:19:54.955 --> 00:19:57.457
- Who are having sex and not married.
- 00:19:57.457 --> 00:19:59.159
- He directly said,
- 00:19:59.159 --> 00:20:00.694
- You're insane and you need to get this right.
- 00:20:00.694 --> 00:20:02.696
- So, you know, here's how we do this.
- 00:20:02.696 --> 00:20:04.398
- Let's get married.
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- Let's have a big, i'm going to let you guys know
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- In a couple of weeks.
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- A month? i can't remember how they all got married.
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- We're going to do that. yeah.
- 00:20:10.971 --> 00:20:12.105
- They had a huge, like multi, multi marriage ceremony.
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- Our whole bunch
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- People in church, polygamy, 1 to 1, right.
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- Yeah.
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- And so
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- They had been living together or having sex before marriage.
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- I was like, you got to correct this. no.
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- It's great.
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- I'm all for it.
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- But i think we make way too much of marriage.
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- It cost way too much. it's too much a hurdle.
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- Just go, like, have a potluck. yeah.
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- Put on a dress, wear suit.
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- Want to make it happen?
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- One of the most successful families
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- I know is a guy who's about my age.
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- And he got married at the jefferson memorial.
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- It cost him about, like, 400.
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- And then he had a dinner with his friends in the common
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- Area of their apartment building.
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- It cost him about $400. they own a house.
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- They have four kids. they live in d.c..
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- Yeah, i totally agree.
- 00:20:51.111 --> 00:20:52.212
- And everybody wants to like one up the other people
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- And have their wedding be more beautiful.
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- I think there's beauty in the way
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- They used to do it in like the 70s and 80s.
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- I see, like my, my parents, their wedding was like
- 00:20:58.185 --> 00:21:00.354
- In the backyard of my grandma's house. right.
- 00:21:00.354 --> 00:21:01.988
- And it was just simple. anyways, last question here.
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- And we got to do the hot swap with molly and sean. the.
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- So matt walsh has come out and said,
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- My biggest issue with this
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- Is that like, we need to stop celebrating our
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- Sinful ways because you're giving this
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- Permission structure to your kids, right?
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- To then go, oh, they survived. it's going to be fine.
- 00:21:18.472 --> 00:21:21.108
- I actually totally agree with that. i had a pastor
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- That said, i want less impressive testimonies.
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- I want a bunch of like, i was born, i met jesus,
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- I served jesus, i lived well and righteously, got married,
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- Had kids, had those kids, you know what i mean, right?
- 00:21:32.386 --> 00:21:34.988
- We sell it with but with like in churches,
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- Evangelical churches is the worst.
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- This or like
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- I was a drug dealer for the cartel
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- And i was shooting up heroin.
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- And then jesus came to me and it's like, okay, that's
- 00:21:42.195 --> 00:21:45.065
- That's great.
- 00:21:45.065 --> 00:21:45.766
- But like with like, hopefully
- 00:21:45.766 --> 00:21:47.401
- We have boring testimonies, right?
- 00:21:47.401 --> 00:21:48.902
- And i think there's two things there.
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- One, we need to celebrate boring testimonies.
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- Yes. in fact,
- 00:21:53.540 --> 00:21:54.608
- I once heard this woman give this great testimony
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- Where she said i was saved from heroin.
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- I was saved from prostitution, i would say.
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- And she did this whole list. that's jail.
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- No, no, no.
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- Then at the end, she goes,
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- I was saved
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- By all that
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- Because i became a christian as a child,
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- And i never did any of those things.
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- So the lord saved me from doing any of that.
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- I never had to experience any of it
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- I love, and i thought that was a great testimony.
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- So do you share it?
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- Do you share your formerly sinful ways with your kids?
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- Is the question.
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- I do judiciously because i do think, you know, okay.
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- I am someone with a somewhat colorful testimony.
- 00:22:21.735 --> 00:22:24.871
- You're breaking all the rules.
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- I just laid out.
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- I know, i'm sorry, but but it is a question of wisdom.
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- I think, you know.
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- Are you glorifying your sin for your kids?
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- Are you a little bit like, going,
- 00:22:34.281 --> 00:22:35.215
- That was such a good time.
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- But yeah, i, i totally i regret it.
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- I'm not going to do that again.
- 00:22:37.684 --> 00:22:38.919
- Or are you saying like i'm not going to, you know,
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- Delve into juicy details in specifics,
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- But here are some poor choices.
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- I made in my youth generally.
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- And here is what it cost me.
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- And and be real and honest about the cost.
- 00:22:51.164 --> 00:22:54.201
- You know, those are two different pieces
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- Because, look,
- 00:22:55.535 --> 00:22:56.603
- I mean, when we look at paul and like acts, he's
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- He's pretty out there about here's,
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- You know, i was chasing christians are killing them.
- 00:23:02.008 --> 00:23:04.778
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, i was chasing them to foreign cities.
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- He's not really shy
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- And retiring about what he was doing.
- 00:23:08.782 --> 00:23:10.283
- He's not talking about his heroin usage
- 00:23:10.283 --> 00:23:11.852
- And his promiscuity. but is that worse?
- 00:23:11.852 --> 00:23:13.553
- I mean, he was trying to murder christians.
- 00:23:13.553 --> 00:23:15.555
- Yeah. yeah.
- 00:23:15.555 --> 00:23:16.423
- No, i think i think you said it really?
- 00:23:16.423 --> 00:23:17.757
- Well, i think it's a good place to wrap it.
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- Megan basham, you rock.
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- We love having you in studio and it's so good to be here.
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