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Charlie Kirk Today | Michael Knowles: December 3, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | December 3, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- There is news
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- That there is a well, it's about ten days old.
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- Uss ford has been in the waters
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- In the caribbean, outside of venezuela.
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- There is concern, i think, in maduro's
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- Inner circle that the us is about
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- To potentially oust him from power within venezuela.
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- Meanwhile, you have the venezuelan
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- Cartel, narco trafficking boats that have caused
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- A huge controversy, namely with pete hegseth.
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- It seems as if, blake, that there is a growing,
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- I would say op, but they are coordinating their efforts.
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- Democrats are to, hopefully get rid of pete hegseth
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- And their hope, not my hope, to get rid of pete hegseth.
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- I think that effort will fail.
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- But describe this dynamic of what's going on right now
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- With pete hegseth.
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- Well,
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- What's interesting is
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- In september
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- They you know, they've been
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- Doing these strikes on drug boats coming from latin
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- America towards the united states,
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- I should say alleged gunboats or drug boats,
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- And that in september, they identified one of these.
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- They told hegseth about it because he's the one who has
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- To approve strikes,
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- And that,
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- According to the washington post,
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- He not merely approved a strike,
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- But said, basically kill them all in some way.
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- And so they struck the boat.
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- It sinks and breaks apart.
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- But when they're observing it afterwards,
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- They see that some people on the boat
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- Are alive and clinging to wreckage.
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- And rather than leave them there or rescue them
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- And arrest them or whatever you would do,
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- They drop another strike on them. yeah.
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- And we have image 208 here.
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- This is from the new york times.
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- So that original story, the double tap story
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- That they're alleging is a war crime.
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- It was reported by the washington post.
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- Now, the new york times
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- Has issued a follow up reporting that reads
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- That basically is a giant rebuttal to it.
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- And the new york times says, according to five u.s.
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- Officials who spoke separately and on the condition of
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- Anonymity to discuss sensitive matters
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- That are under investigation, mr.
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- Headset, ahead of the september 2nd attack, ordered a strike
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- That would kill the people on the boat
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- And destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs.
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- But each official said mr.
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- Headset's directive
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- Did not specifically address what should happen
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- If a first missile turned out
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- Not to fully accomplish all of those things,
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- And the officials said his order was not a response
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- To surveillance footage showing that
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- At least two people on the boat survived the first blast.
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- Admiral bradley, the other character
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- In this saga, ordered the initial missile strike
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- And then several
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- Follow up strikes that killed
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- The initial survivors and sank the disabled boat.
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- As that operation unfolded, they said mr.
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- Headset did not give any further orders to him.
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- So this is a direct rebuttal that, to the original story,
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- Which suggested that pete headset was sort of in the room
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- Pulling the levers, ordering the strikes.
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- A follow up double tap, as you call it, to kill survivors.
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- Now, the new york times is saying
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- There was an initial directive
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- That it should be a lethal strike.
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- And then admiral bradley was the one who was actually
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- Directing those now.
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- Pete, headset has come out and said
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- Admiral bradley has 100% of his support,
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- That he stands by him, that america is lucky
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- To have somebody of his stature and ability in the position
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- That he's in. but
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- Is this all part of a
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- Broader effort by democrats to now go after peace?
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- What's interesting here is what some have speculated on,
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- And i don't know if we'll learn more about this,
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- But what's really crazy is this all happened
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- Just in the days after we had that very strange video
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- They drop where they're
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- Sort of implying you might get illegal orders,
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- You know, not not saying anything in particular.
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- And they're very evasive when they're confronted about it.
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- They are going on tv and saying, you know, i don't
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- I don't know of any specific illegal orders, but,
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- You know, we're just, you know, hypothetically,
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- If hypothetically, anything were to occur
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- And they're taking that pose and suddenly this drops and
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- These people in this case, u.s.
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- Senators are not
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- And lawmakers are not unaware of what is going on.
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- They have contacts with reporters,
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- Especially friendly reporters.
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- And, one of them, slotkin, is like a cia veteran and such.
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- And so they it seems very possible
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- They may have known this story was coming
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- And they were essentially it was all a process to
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- Seed this story, to talk about, oh, illegal orders,
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- You know, possibly coming out and then bam, here's
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- Another story saying there is illegal orders.
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- And now they've got their preferred framing and,
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- You know,
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- You could say this is an attempt to bring down hedges,
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- But it's much more than that.
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- It's an attempt
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- To bring down
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- The administration because they don't want
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- Hegseth scalp here and just oh, you slot in a new guy
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- What they want.
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- They actually want that whole defy orders thing.
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- They want to delegitimize and break down
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- The apparatus of government for this administration.
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- Because if they can't,
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- You know,
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- If the national guard just starts
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- Defying the president, you're at a constitutional crisis
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- Point where the administration can crumble.
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- Well, and it's it's important to note,
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- I first of all, i completely agree.
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- I believe this was coordinated.
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- This isn't orchestrated, op.
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- And it's a pr op.
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- It's also deadly serious because,
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- We'll play this clip in just a bit.
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- But, you know, senator eric schmitt
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- Is basically saying that this has all the hallmark,
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- Hallmarks of a color
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- Revolution of ceding the ground for that.
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- And then what was interesting is this story has played out
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- Is i kept expecting
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- Because they got caught with egg on their face.
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- They've admitted that,
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- That they're not alleging anything has been illegal
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- Thus far necessarily.
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- But then they will allude to these drug boat strikes.
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- Right.
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- So then i kept watching and expecting them
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- To fall back and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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- And mark kelly and slotkin and some of the others
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- Have gone on a full tour of pr.
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- I mean, they're hitting cnn,
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- Msnbc, writing op eds, doing social media videos.
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- And that was
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- I think the tell is that they keep diving
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- In, drilling the story deeper and deeper and deeper.
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- And then you have mark kelly yesterday,
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- Who gives a whole press conference,
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- Which was just wild.
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- He alleges that trump was trying
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- His threatened to kill him.
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- But then when pressed, was forced to admit that, you know,
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- He wasn't actually speaking about any specific thing.
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- 192 on who this president is and who the secretary
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- Of defense is, is, and specifically things
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- That the president has said in the past and things he was
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- Talking about doing in the future.
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- So we were looking forward
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- To try to head something off at the past
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- That could have been really, really bad.
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- So it wasn't about this specific thing.
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- No one threatened to kill senator mark kelly
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- Telling the military to refuse
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- Orders is the controversy.
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- They started it.
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- Mark kelly and elissa slotkin and all these,
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- They are the ones that started it
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- With their insane video.
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- What the president was doing was simply pointing out
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- The seriousness of of seditious behavior.
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- He was pointing to the fact that,
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- Yeah, if you are guilty
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- Of these things, one of the punishments
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- Is the death penalty.
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- That's just a fact.
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- And the white house even later confirmed that
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- President trump was not calling for him to be killed.
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- He was pointing out that this was a serious offense.
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- Mark kelly has spent years in uniform.
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- He knows full well that calling it reminds me of military
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- Orders is illegal.
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- It reminds me of that,
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- The start of the first trump administration,
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- Where it would be something and they would just
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- There was like, you know, the trump administration,
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- Like when flynn was, you know, possibly,
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- You know, talks to the russian ambassador
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- And they're like,
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- Oh, well, he he may be implied a diplomatic concession here.
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- My gosh, the logan act, the logan logan act
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- That carries infinity years in prison in the maximum penalty.
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- No, exactly. we'll do this.
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- The press does this all the time.
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- Someone gets charged with something
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- With a maximum of 800 years,
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- And then they get like an administrative,
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- You know, slap on the wrist or something.
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- But this is what drives me nuts, is
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- He is playing the victim.
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- And why?
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- Simply because the chain of command
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- Is being reasserted by those who are actually in charge,
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- Those who actually have power, namely
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- Secretary of war pete hegseth
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- And the president of the united states,
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- The commander in chief.
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- The wounds from
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- October 7th didn't fade when the headlines did.
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- Behind me rises
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- A new rehabilitation home for israel's wounded soldiers.
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- One of many urgent projects israel needs right now.
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- Entire communities shattered.
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- Families displaced.
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- And each day,
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- The impact of the need grows even more overwhelming.
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- But the bible says it clearly.
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- The righteous will live by faith and by faith.
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- The fellowship is rolling up our sleeves
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- And stepping into this immense challenge.
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- Helping mothers who don't know where to begin again.
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- Standing with paralyzed heroes.
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- Fighting to take their first steps.
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- Building centers of healing for the wounded
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- And the traumatized.
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- Bringing food and comfort to elderly israelis
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- Who have no one else to care for them.
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- To see the life saving work of the fellowship.
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- Unfolding across israel right now.
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- Visit ifc's dawg.
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- Visit ifc's dawg.
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- I know i already brought up the new york times
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- Once today, and i'm loath to do it a second time.
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- But they do have a new article out, saying and it's titled
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- Rotating beds and cell phones maduro's plan to outlast trump.
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- President trump's threat of military action
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- Has, confronted president nicolas
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- Maduro of venezuela with the gravest challenge
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- Of his crisis ridden, ridden reign yet.
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- And so basically, the story goes on to report that he's
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- Upped his personal security with a bunch of cuban,
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- Guns for hire that his personal security
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- Is has been ramped up.
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- But he's trying to save face in public
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- By acting like everything's fine.
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- He's doing tiktok videos of him crashing a wedding
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- And dancing with people and all kinds of stuff.
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- So he's trying to put on a strong and a brave face.
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- However, behind the scenes, he's
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- Terrified that president trump is about
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- To oust him from power,
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- Which brings up a whole larger conversation.
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- Geopolitical in nature, about
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- Should we be meddling in venezuela at all?
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- I, i certainly don't think charlie would be enthusiastic
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- About that.
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- I think we've had we've been through this pattern.
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- I do i will admit, i suspect
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- Toppling venezuela would be not as bad
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- As toppling libya or afghanistan.
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- Latin americans don't have quite the same history
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- As middle easterners of going, doing insane terrorism,
- 00:10:51.075 --> 00:10:55.146
- Suicide, terrorism, you know, for the nihilistic love of it.
- 00:10:55.146 --> 00:10:58.716
- They don't have radical islam.
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- All of those are in play.
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- There's more of a legit
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- Opposition movement in venezuela.
- 00:11:02.620 --> 00:11:04.255
- All of those things, i think would make it easier
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- And less damaging.
- 00:11:06.357 --> 00:11:07.391
- But i think at the same time,
- 00:11:07.391 --> 00:11:09.527
- We've just seen this
- 00:11:09.527 --> 00:11:10.661
- Bill of goods before of, it'll be really easy
- 00:11:10.661 --> 00:11:13.331
- In and out, in and out. in five minutes.
- 00:11:13.331 --> 00:11:15.133
- It'll be really cheap, really easy.
- 00:11:15.133 --> 00:11:16.701
- And how often has that really played out?
- 00:11:16.701 --> 00:11:19.871
- Even in wars we've won, it hasn't necessarily
- 00:11:19.871 --> 00:11:22.573
- Played out the way we expected.
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- Yeah.
- 00:11:24.175 --> 00:11:25.109
- Well and you've got to imagine that they have
- 00:11:25.109 --> 00:11:27.745
- There has been behind the scenes discussions.
- 00:11:27.745 --> 00:11:29.647
- We've we know for a fact that president
- 00:11:29.647 --> 00:11:31.249
- Trump and nicolas maduro have spoken.
- 00:11:31.249 --> 00:11:33.451
- Maduro being the, the, dictator of venezuela.
- 00:11:33.451 --> 00:11:37.555
- And the the interesting part here is you got maria corina
- 00:11:37.555 --> 00:11:40.424
- Machado, who's the opposition leader.
- 00:11:40.424 --> 00:11:42.460
- Now, remember when she was awarded the nobel peace prize?
- 00:11:42.460 --> 00:11:45.730
- She dedicated it to president trump.
- 00:11:45.730 --> 00:11:47.799
- She certainly knows.
- 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:48.833
- She certainly knows how to make a sell. yeah.
- 00:11:48.833 --> 00:11:50.568
- So you you have to imagine that there was
- 00:11:50.568 --> 00:11:53.504
- There was optics involved there.
- 00:11:53.504 --> 00:11:54.705
- There was a strategy involved from her perspective.
- 00:11:54.705 --> 00:11:56.774
- Now, a lot of international watchdogs suggest that she
- 00:11:56.774 --> 00:12:00.444
- Actually won the election and that nicolas
- 00:12:00.444 --> 00:12:02.313
- Maduro stole it, which does seem to be true.
- 00:12:02.313 --> 00:12:05.983
- And so you do kind of wonder, are there underlying realities
- 00:12:05.983 --> 00:12:09.520
- On the ground in venezuela that would
- 00:12:09.520 --> 00:12:11.556
- Sort of seem to your point, that
- 00:12:12.256 --> 00:12:13.991
- That would seem to suggest that
- 00:12:13.991 --> 00:12:15.293
- If maduro was taken out of power, that there would be a,
- 00:12:15.293 --> 00:12:18.663
- A, a nucleus of power and influence within that
- 00:12:18.663 --> 00:12:22.166
- Country that could assume power in a more constructive way.
- 00:12:22.166 --> 00:12:25.236
- Now, here's the thing. i mean, i totally agree with you.
- 00:12:25.236 --> 00:12:27.672
- I think charlie would be against this
- 00:12:27.672 --> 00:12:29.173
- Because, listen, we have domestic issues
- 00:12:29.173 --> 00:12:31.209
- That we need to, need to address head on.
- 00:12:31.209 --> 00:12:35.112
- Now, here's the argument for this.
- 00:12:35.112 --> 00:12:37.615
- Now, i think that the admin
- 00:12:37.615 --> 00:12:38.983
- Is playing a little bit of 3d chess.
- 00:12:38.983 --> 00:12:41.552
- I do, and i don't mean to
- 00:12:41.552 --> 00:12:42.687
- I know that we use that expression in it's cliche,
- 00:12:42.687 --> 00:12:45.489
- But i do think that under the president,
- 00:12:45.489 --> 00:12:47.491
- President trump's administration,
- 00:12:47.491 --> 00:12:49.460
- We have seen a reassertion of the monroe doctrine, right?
- 00:12:49.460 --> 00:12:52.296
- This this western hemisphere centric, foreign policy
- 00:12:52.296 --> 00:12:56.901
- Where, hey, we're going to we're going to take back
- 00:12:56.901 --> 00:12:58.636
- Control of the panama canal.
- 00:12:58.636 --> 00:13:00.171
- We're going to strike key alliances
- 00:13:00.171 --> 00:13:02.974
- With people like, bukele in el salvador.
- 00:13:02.974 --> 00:13:06.077
- We're going to reassert,
- 00:13:06.077 --> 00:13:07.645
- Dominance within south america.
- 00:13:07.645 --> 00:13:11.082
- Right.
- 00:13:11.082 --> 00:13:11.883
- And our our malay, a friendship
- 00:13:11.883 --> 00:13:14.652
- That we've struck up, the leader of argentina.
- 00:13:14.652 --> 00:13:17.321
- So you do sort of see the makings of this.
- 00:13:17.321 --> 00:13:19.757
- Now, the other piece i will say is that venezuela and cuba
- 00:13:19.757 --> 00:13:22.560
- Work hand in hand.
- 00:13:22.560 --> 00:13:23.561
- You see this
- 00:13:23.561 --> 00:13:24.161
- The fact that
- 00:13:24.161 --> 00:13:25.096
- Cuban guards are now, part of the private
- 00:13:25.096 --> 00:13:28.199
- Security detail for nicolas maduro.
- 00:13:28.199 --> 00:13:29.767
- You see it with the sharing of intelligence.
- 00:13:29.767 --> 00:13:32.003
- Now, people don't know this, but the cuban intelligence
- 00:13:32.003 --> 00:13:34.372
- Is one of the most formidable in the world.
- 00:13:34.372 --> 00:13:37.375
- Basically, they have no exports.
- 00:13:37.375 --> 00:13:38.676
- They have no goods. besides, you know, cigars.
- 00:13:38.676 --> 00:13:40.912
- They used to have sugar, a crazy thing.
- 00:13:40.912 --> 00:13:42.613
- Something like 20% of cuba's population has apparently left
- 00:13:42.613 --> 00:13:45.416
- Since about 2019. really?
- 00:13:45.416 --> 00:13:47.351
- It's a it's a really messed up country.
- 00:13:47.351 --> 00:13:49.453
- More so than people realize. i think you're right.
- 00:13:49.453 --> 00:13:51.022
- And and but one of their exports
- 00:13:51.022 --> 00:13:52.990
- That they sell to places like venezuela is intelligence.
- 00:13:52.990 --> 00:13:56.794
- So they've, they've infiltrated
- 00:13:56.794 --> 00:13:58.529
- In a lot of places within the, lower 48.
- 00:13:58.529 --> 00:14:01.565
- They know stuff that venezuela wants to pay for, right,
- 00:14:01.565 --> 00:14:04.335
- In other places. so that's another piece.
- 00:14:04.335 --> 00:14:06.671
- A dynamic here is that if you if you do topple venezuela,
- 00:14:06.671 --> 00:14:09.840
- If you do if you maduro and you put in this maria
- 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.210
- Karina machado, you get two regimes,
- 00:14:13.210 --> 00:14:15.313
- Two regime changes,
- 00:14:15.313 --> 00:14:16.380
- Which probably will not blow up in our faces at all
- 00:14:16.380 --> 00:14:19.183
- Because we've learned our lesson.
- 00:14:19.183 --> 00:14:20.785
- I just i actually kind of don't think that that's
- 00:14:20.785 --> 00:14:23.020
- What they're going for. i think president trump
- 00:14:23.020 --> 00:14:24.822
- Is trying to do the carrot and stick.
- 00:14:24.822 --> 00:14:27.358
- He's he's saber rattling to get nicolas
- 00:14:27.358 --> 00:14:30.094
- Maduro to leave on his own.
- 00:14:30.094 --> 00:14:31.128
- I liked the idea of
- 00:14:31.128 --> 00:14:32.263
- Just give him $500 million and he can go live wherever.
- 00:14:32.263 --> 00:14:36.133
- And what stinks is we'd have more credibility on that
- 00:14:36.133 --> 00:14:38.769
- If we'd stuck to our guns with, gadhafi instead.
- 00:14:38.769 --> 00:14:42.373
- Yeah, yeah, there is a
- 00:14:42.373 --> 00:14:43.741
- We're not a trustworthy actor in the palace.
- 00:14:43.741 --> 00:14:45.977
- There's a reason
- 00:14:45.977 --> 00:14:47.078
- Not to trust our our, our foreign policy promises.
- 00:14:47.078 --> 00:14:49.847
- We're going to have michael knowles
- 00:14:49.847 --> 00:14:51.248
- Join us next to help make sense of all of this and more.
- 00:14:51.248 --> 00:14:54.251
- Don't go anywhere.
- 00:14:54.251 --> 00:14:59.190
- That christmas morning.
- 00:14:59.690 --> 00:15:01.292
- Wise men brought gifts from outside the holy land.
- 00:15:01.292 --> 00:15:06.097
- But now that the war is over,
- 00:15:06.731 --> 00:15:09.734
- This holy land and her people
- 00:15:09.734 --> 00:15:11.635
- Are still carrying deep wounded.
- 00:15:11.635 --> 00:15:14.405
- Many of the elderly are alone and suffering
- 00:15:14.405 --> 00:15:18.075
- Like the wise men or wise women.
- 00:15:18.776 --> 00:15:22.013
- When you open your heart and give a special holiday food
- 00:15:22.013 --> 00:15:26.684
- Box to someone here in israel
- 00:15:26.684 --> 00:15:29.387
- This christmas chronicles season.
- 00:15:29.387 --> 00:15:32.456
- People like hannah who can't buy food.
- 00:15:32.456 --> 00:15:36.827
- That's where the fellowship is called to feed the hungry.
- 00:15:36.827 --> 00:15:41.065
- Please call, scan or go online now to help rush emergency
- 00:15:41.065 --> 00:15:45.136
- Food and healing to elderly jews
- 00:15:45.136 --> 00:15:47.238
- And their christian neighbors struggling
- 00:15:47.238 --> 00:15:49.006
- To rebuild their lives from the war.
- 00:15:49.006 --> 00:15:51.175
- What will happen when we make this holy day season?
- 00:15:51.175 --> 00:15:56.547
- Holy indeed.
- 00:15:56.547 --> 00:15:58.009
- Holy indeed.
- 00:15:58.009 --> 00:16:03.121
- Michael knowles welcome
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- Back to the charlie kirk show, my friend. good to see you.
- 00:16:05.023 --> 00:16:07.492
- What's going on, man? good to be here.
- 00:16:07.492 --> 00:16:09.094
- I'm not going to ask you about catholicism.
- 00:16:09.094 --> 00:16:12.297
- I think we should. we should have a reason.
- 00:16:12.297 --> 00:16:13.598
- We should never meet the pope after six months.
- 00:16:13.598 --> 00:16:15.267
- Oh, you get that.
- 00:16:15.267 --> 00:16:16.601
- Ask me about on text
- 00:16:16.601 --> 00:16:18.070
- If you ever want to talk about all.
- 00:16:18.070 --> 00:16:19.571
- I want to talk about the weekend.
- 00:16:19.571 --> 00:16:21.106
- Well, okay.
- 00:16:21.106 --> 00:16:22.140
- Blake's going to ask you to grade the pope in,
- 00:16:22.140 --> 00:16:23.708
- In just a few minutes here, after the person carrying
- 00:16:23.708 --> 00:16:26.778
- Baseball bats on planes, there was an ice dance party.
- 00:16:26.778 --> 00:16:29.948
- There was a nice ball. yeah, yeah. yes.
- 00:16:29.948 --> 00:16:31.983
- But not with the first question.
- 00:16:31.983 --> 00:16:34.553
- Okay, so this is actually where we're going to start it.
- 00:16:34.553 --> 00:16:37.022
- I want you to sort of make sense
- 00:16:37.022 --> 00:16:39.157
- Of our political moment that we find ourselves in.
- 00:16:39.157 --> 00:16:41.793
- There is all this consternation about venezuela, about pete
- 00:16:41.793 --> 00:16:45.063
- Hegseth, and, you know, were these war crimes was there
- 00:16:45.063 --> 00:16:48.033
- Double tap? the new york times seems to suggest it's not.
- 00:16:48.033 --> 00:16:51.236
- It does
- 00:16:51.470 --> 00:16:52.604
- Have this feeling of a, of a messaging op, sort of.
- 00:16:52.604 --> 00:16:56.908
- They roll out this this suspicious video,
- 00:16:56.908 --> 00:16:59.511
- The seditious six is as there is there being labeled.
- 00:16:59.511 --> 00:17:02.380
- And then all of a sudden
- 00:17:02.380 --> 00:17:03.548
- We get this whole inquiry into the venezuelan cartel,
- 00:17:03.548 --> 00:17:07.052
- Narco trafficking, you know, strikes.
- 00:17:07.052 --> 00:17:10.555
- What do you make of this moment?
- 00:17:10.555 --> 00:17:12.290
- Why are they so fixated on pete?
- 00:17:12.290 --> 00:17:15.026
- Headset.
- 00:17:15.026 --> 00:17:16.661
- They've been going after pete hegseth since before the guy
- 00:17:16.661 --> 00:17:19.197
- Was confirmed. i mean, let's not forget this.
- 00:17:19.197 --> 00:17:21.399
- You know, a lot of us know pete.
- 00:17:21.399 --> 00:17:22.868
- Not just people who were friends with pete,
- 00:17:22.868 --> 00:17:24.136
- But who have watched pete every morning on fox news.
- 00:17:24.136 --> 00:17:27.038
- And, you know, he's been a public figure for a long time.
- 00:17:27.038 --> 00:17:29.574
- And more than any other member of this cabinet,
- 00:17:29.574 --> 00:17:32.010
- The democrats seemed absolutely devoted
- 00:17:32.010 --> 00:17:35.113
- To torpedoing him before he he came in as secretary of war.
- 00:17:35.113 --> 00:17:39.818
- And so, to me, if i didn't know anything else
- 00:17:39.818 --> 00:17:42.654
- About venezuela, i ran anything about the military.
- 00:17:42.654 --> 00:17:46.224
- If all i knew is that this guy was the chief target
- 00:17:46.224 --> 00:17:49.161
- In the cabinet for the democrats,
- 00:17:49.161 --> 00:17:51.263
- I would be defending him wholeheartedly.
- 00:17:51.263 --> 00:17:53.365
- Now, on top of that,
- 00:17:53.365 --> 00:17:55.200
- You've had a very, very effective
- 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:56.668
- Military strategy under trump
- 00:17:56.668 --> 00:17:58.003
- Recruitment way up, getting a lot of the woke out
- 00:17:58.003 --> 00:18:01.406
- In terms of the policy, the military itself,
- 00:18:01.406 --> 00:18:03.074
- Then obviously very, very successful
- 00:18:03.074 --> 00:18:04.776
- Military operations in the middle east.
- 00:18:04.776 --> 00:18:06.678
- Now we're looking at operations in latin america.
- 00:18:06.678 --> 00:18:09.114
- So i think he's doing a very good job generally.
- 00:18:09.114 --> 00:18:11.583
- But i just take it simply on a rule of thumb,
- 00:18:11.583 --> 00:18:14.286
- If he's the guy they want to take out,
- 00:18:14.286 --> 00:18:16.288
- He's probably the guy i'm going to be defending.
- 00:18:16.288 --> 00:18:18.456
- Yeah, that's exactly been my posture as well.
- 00:18:18.456 --> 00:18:20.492
- It's like,
- 00:18:20.492 --> 00:18:20.959
- We must be over,
- 00:18:20.959 --> 00:18:21.893
- Over the mark here
- 00:18:21.893 --> 00:18:22.928
- With with secretary hegg seth, because they want
- 00:18:22.928 --> 00:18:25.430
- To get him out so badly.
- 00:18:25.430 --> 00:18:26.298
- But this is part of this larger.
- 00:18:26.298 --> 00:18:28.833
- There's two basically at this point we diverge in a word.
- 00:18:28.833 --> 00:18:31.736
- Right.
- 00:18:31.736 --> 00:18:32.404
- There's two main through lines
- 00:18:32.404 --> 00:18:33.672
- Narratives that are going on right now.
- 00:18:33.672 --> 00:18:34.940
- There is this.
- 00:18:34.940 --> 00:18:35.607
- We had the national guard
- 00:18:35.607 --> 00:18:37.108
- Attack the ambush by an afghan refugee.
- 00:18:37.108 --> 00:18:40.278
- And that brings up this whole foreign policy conversation
- 00:18:40.278 --> 00:18:43.748
- In and of itself.
- 00:18:43.748 --> 00:18:44.449
- But then meanwhile,
- 00:18:44.449 --> 00:18:45.617
- There's all this intrigue around venezuela.
- 00:18:45.617 --> 00:18:47.519
- Are we going to strike?
- 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:48.420
- Are we going to, you know, we're moving
- 00:18:48.420 --> 00:18:49.854
- Carriers into the region and maga in the base
- 00:18:49.854 --> 00:18:53.525
- Typically has been postured in a way that says, we
- 00:18:53.525 --> 00:18:56.861
- Don't want to get involved in any more foreign entanglements.
- 00:18:56.861 --> 00:18:59.731
- We don't want blood and death overseas.
- 00:18:59.731 --> 00:19:02.000
- We want to focus domestically.
- 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.802
- What would you like to see play out in the next days
- 00:19:03.802 --> 00:19:08.240
- And weeks ahead
- 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:09.074
- When it comes
- 00:19:09.074 --> 00:19:10.141
- To venezuela specifically, and then we'll get into
- 00:19:10.141 --> 00:19:12.344
- Our own immigration debate that we're also having?
- 00:19:12.344 --> 00:19:15.113
- Yeah,
- 00:19:15.113 --> 00:19:15.914
- I love the way you put it, andrew,
- 00:19:15.914 --> 00:19:17.015
- Because it's kind of a confounding issue for maga.
- 00:19:17.015 --> 00:19:19.951
- If the question were about some never ending regime change
- 00:19:19.951 --> 00:19:23.488
- War in the middle east or africa or something,
- 00:19:23.488 --> 00:19:26.591
- I think maga would be unified.
- 00:19:26.591 --> 00:19:27.926
- Say, we don't want that at all.
- 00:19:27.926 --> 00:19:29.794
- However, this is a little different
- 00:19:29.794 --> 00:19:31.563
- Because this is much closer to home.
- 00:19:31.563 --> 00:19:34.032
- The monroe doctrine, which says america runs
- 00:19:34.032 --> 00:19:36.101
- The western hemisphere,
- 00:19:36.101 --> 00:19:37.168
- Has been our official policy since 1823.
- 00:19:37.168 --> 00:19:40.205
- This involves a direct threat to americans,
- 00:19:40.205 --> 00:19:42.807
- Which is all the drugs that are coming largely
- 00:19:42.807 --> 00:19:45.043
- From venezuela and specifically to foreign terrorist
- 00:19:45.043 --> 00:19:47.779
- Organizations that are associated with
- 00:19:47.779 --> 00:19:49.214
- The regime, kills over 75,000 americans a year.
- 00:19:49.214 --> 00:19:52.083
- It also involves hard resources.
- 00:19:52.083 --> 00:19:54.953
- One of the funniest things
- 00:19:54.953 --> 00:19:56.154
- About president trump's foreign policy is how open he is.
- 00:19:56.154 --> 00:19:58.723
- He says, you know, we didn't go to war for oil in iraq,
- 00:19:58.723 --> 00:20:01.092
- But we at least should have gotten the oil.
- 00:20:01.092 --> 00:20:02.560
- You know, natural resources really do matter.
- 00:20:02.560 --> 00:20:04.329
- And, you know, this is our hemisphere.
- 00:20:04.329 --> 00:20:05.797
- So i think it's a little dicier on what what americans are
- 00:20:05.797 --> 00:20:09.301
- Thinking about it.
- 00:20:09.301 --> 00:20:10.368
- Look, the ideal scenario is you completely destroy
- 00:20:10.368 --> 00:20:13.571
- The narco terrorists.
- 00:20:13.571 --> 00:20:14.739
- You wage a real war on drugs,
- 00:20:14.739 --> 00:20:16.541
- Meaning you blow up all the guys who were
- 00:20:16.541 --> 00:20:18.176
- Smuggling the drugs and and killing american kids.
- 00:20:18.176 --> 00:20:20.645
- You take, a hostile dictator who is partnering up
- 00:20:20.645 --> 00:20:24.349
- With a lot of our enemies,
- 00:20:24.349 --> 00:20:25.583
- And you replace him with
- 00:20:25.583 --> 00:20:27.285
- Someone who's maybe a little friendlier to us.
- 00:20:27.285 --> 00:20:29.020
- And maybe that also helps the energy market, too.
- 00:20:29.020 --> 00:20:31.089
- That's what everyone wants in the ideal.
- 00:20:31.089 --> 00:20:33.725
- The question is, can can they pull this kind of thing off?
- 00:20:33.725 --> 00:20:37.395
- I think they're going to get a lot more, grace from the base
- 00:20:37.395 --> 00:20:40.532
- In terms of actions in latin america.
- 00:20:40.532 --> 00:20:42.767
- The only question is, does the military, the cia, whatever
- 00:20:42.767 --> 00:20:46.404
- The us government
- 00:20:46.404 --> 00:20:47.605
- Do, we have a serious plan in place to to replace maduro
- 00:20:47.605 --> 00:20:51.509
- If they actually want regime change?
- 00:20:51.509 --> 00:20:52.811
- Because there's two views of the cia.
- 00:20:52.811 --> 00:20:54.279
- One is james bond, jason bourne.
- 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:56.381
- You know, they control everything, the supervision.
- 00:20:56.381 --> 00:20:58.450
- The other one is burn after reading.
- 00:20:58.450 --> 00:21:00.352
- Like everything the cia tries to do
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- Turns to ash and gets worse.
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- And those are the that's the debate right now.
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- What is really, going on here?
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- All i will say on this, i favor a much more restrained
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- Foreign policy that is much closer to home,
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- That involves much more direct american interests.
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- While i will say with trump is he has the most effective
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- Foreign policy of my lifetime, probably including george h.w.
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- Bush.
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- And so
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- I'm willing to give the guy
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- A little bit more grace here,
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- Because he just hasn't bungled it all up
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- Like clinton did, like george w bush did,
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- And certainly like obama and biden.
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- The monroe doctrine was not just
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- We dominate every country in western hemisphere.
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- It was keeping foreign europeans at the time.
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- And i imagine you could count
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- Chinese today and russia, russia, of course.
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- Out of the hemisphere, not influencing it.
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- And yeah, well, you saw this in panama, right?
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- The panama canal.
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- President trump goes in and reasserts u.s.
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- Dominance over the canal,
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- Which was being taken over by china, actually,
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- And so we were getting treated very poorly in the canal. so
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- Let's switch our attention here, michael.
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- We're kind of doing hopscotch here on topics, but the
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- The other main story is the president.
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- And now kristi noem, pam
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- Bondi coming down hard on third world migration.
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- Now i made a prediction that this was going to be
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- President trump's most popular policy plank yet.
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- And i mean, including the wall,
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- Including the southern border.
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- And we had rich barris on yesterday
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- Who seems he's doing polling on this.
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- And the initial results seem to indicate
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- That this is, in fact, very, very appealing with the base.
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- So you've got these.
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- There's a confluence of two different stories,
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- Foreign policy, which is always a snake pit
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- Full of vipers, full of surprises, full of,
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- Backlash for the president in the administration.
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- And then you've got his hardline immigration stance.
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