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Let's go through the story behind the story.
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It's very interesting.
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Show the president signing this.
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He was sitting next to
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Emmanuel macron as part of his trip to the g7.
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So this is actually him signing the mou.
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Okay.
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But the story behind the story is, i think, one
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That it came off like a joke from president trump.
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But i think there's truth to it.
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And it's worth explaining and diving into
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Because there's a lot of speculation.
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Some of it's probably fake media spin, whatever.
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But i think there's probably some truth to it.
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So president trump
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Is probably caught between two impulses here.
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He off, after all, was the guy that went in
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And i think wanted to bomb iran.
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Actually, you know, there's everybody saying
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Israel dog walked us into this.
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And i think i think israel told
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The president what he wanted to hear.
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And he said as much multiple times, saying,
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If anything, i got them into this.
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And i don't think he likes being told that he got dog
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Locked.
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He saw intel from israel that he liked
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Because he's been saying iran should not have
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A nuclear weapon for a long time.
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He wanted to deal with this.
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He, after all, took out general soleimani.
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Soleimani, whatever soleimani
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That he has been on this and
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Fixated on this problem for a long time.
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All right.
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But then he's got
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Guys like jd vance that didn't want to go in.
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He's probably looking at the polling.
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I can tell you
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Our young people did not like this war to begin with.
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At turning point, our students, they don't know
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How to defend it.
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We try and help them explain what the reasoning is.
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But even you know, we're a little bit unsure
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About the results. we love the path to peace.
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Okay,
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But listen to this clip from president trump last night,
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And we'll explain the story behind this story in a second.
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49 there's some element to this where you send the
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Vice president
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If it works out great, you look like a genius
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For sending him.
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And if it doesn't work out, it's the vice president.
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I like that idea.
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Sure,
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But this way, if it works out, i'm going to take the credit.
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If it doesn't work out, i'm blaming jd.
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You better be careful, jd.
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So blake and
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I had these exact same reaction when we saw that clip.
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It's a good joke. it's a laugh.
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Laughable moment, but it's true too.
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But there's some truth to it.
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And that's why you see jd vance.
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Yes, it's part of his book tour,
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But it's coinciding with the iran deal.
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That's why the title of today's
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Stream is the big, the big sell from jd.
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And i'm totally supportive, by the way.
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That's not a bad thing.
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Jd has been a voice for peace
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And in wrapping this up, and i love that.
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But look at this, this headline from mediaite
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And this is, this is the story that's being spun.
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The little webs is being spun in dc
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In the media bubble there.
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It says rubio's two day absence secretary's media
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Silence is a flashing red sign that trump's iran deal stinks.
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Okay, that's media being a bunch of jerks.
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The deal is an absolute home run for the united states.
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Even joel pollack, by the way, who's
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Jewish, jewish-american, been a, very anti
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Israel has been in favor of strikes against, iran.
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I think i said israel, i meant iran has been very anti-iran.
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It's been, very much in favor of the strikes there.
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Says this deal is a good deal.
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So media i can can stuff it.
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But this is the story behind the story. two
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Scenarios are probably going to play out in the future.
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And they are high stakes.
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They are high stakes.
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Make no ifs, ands or buts about it.
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If this works,
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This could be
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The biggest win of jd vance's career and frankly,
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The biggest win for america
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In a long time to get this deal done.
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No nuclear, everything works.
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Economic revitalization in the region,
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Normalization, stabilization in the middle east.
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And jd will be able to take a bow and say, look,
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We gave peace a chance and it worked.
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This is how this is how it should be.
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We know that president trump
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I mean, he'll say
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He'll take ownership of it
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If it works and he'll deserve to
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Because he made the right call as president.
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But i don't think anyone's
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Going to forget that if this works out,
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That the vice president chief, the sole job on it, he was
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He was the man who said we should seek the off ramp.
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We should try to get the peaceful outcome.
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We shouldn't escalate.
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And he's getting the chance to sell it.
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This is this is excellent accountability.
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This is a real version.
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We'd always joke where the white house would.
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They'd throw kamala
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To the wolves on the border or something
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When she didn't know what was going
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On, had no real ownership of what was going on.
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They complained about it endlessly.
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We know that this is something close to what vice
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President vance cares about, and what he advocates for,
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And now he's selling it to the public,
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Which he's gotten great training for ever since
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He became the vice presidential nominee.
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He was going into those hostile areas, making the sell
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For the president in 2024, early 25.
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He's doing it again here.
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Okay, so that is the story behind
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The story is that jd is getting his chance here,
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Which i pray with everything i've got, that it works.
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We do not want to send american boys into more blood, sand
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And death in the middle east.
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The appetite for a ground invasion is nil.
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It's nothing.
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Okay, so everybody pushing it, operating
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Under this old paradigm now the neocons are dead, okay?
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That that era is gone.
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We don't want to go back there at all.
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Okay?
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So i don't know what their expectation is here.
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You've got to offer something to a modern state.
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Yeah. sanctions relief. yeah.
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The opportunity for regional partners
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To invest in your economy and your infrastructure, of course.
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And president trump made a great point.
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He's like, what are we going to do, hold their money forever?
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But that wouldn't work at all as well.
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And by the way, having
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The dollar is the go to de facto currency of the world.
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That would go away too.
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All right.
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If you're just going to rob people and keep their money.
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So some of you out there that are probably
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More on the warhawk side that want to see
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The regime fall and all this stuff,
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I get the frustration, i get the skepticism.
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But you also have to be realistic.
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This is a deal that could be a win win
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And a total slam dunk for the united states
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If it works and if it doesn't,
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Expect to see
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More marco rubio coming up in phase two.
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Michael knowles joins us next.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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Michael knowles the great, the one,
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The only, the paypal apologist michael knowles.
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Welcome back to the show.
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It's good to see you. good to be with you, sir.
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By the way, to the listener
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Who turned 70 today, it's my kid's second birthday also.
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So he shares a birthday with my kid and every kid i have,
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And every day that goes by with my kids,
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I feel more and more like i am 70.
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So there's a lot of birthday synergy.
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Yeah, well,
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You'll pretty soon probably have a birthday
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For a kid on every day of the year, right?
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Michael? it's a good catholic.
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You got at least each month covered.
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Yeah, yeah, you got to time it up anyway.
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You don't want to clump them together.
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Michael. that's.
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I got, i got like my basically from christmas to february.
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I'm, i'm at, i'm, i'm in a lot of trouble.
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You got like now
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It's too expensive which is like too expensive.
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You fold them in with other ones.
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My wife's my sister was a christmas eve baby and so.
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Well, i've got a december 29th baby.
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Okay, so i got christmas december 29th.
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It just it never ends. that whole.
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Yeah. anyways, it's not. it's not why you're here.
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It's not why you're here. michael, we're moving on.
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All right?
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I want to get your reaction.
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I know you've been supportive of the president and the vice
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President moving towards peace with iran.
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And then all the naysayers are coming out of the woodwork.
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All these people that were like,
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President trump is the best.
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He is going hard after iran.
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We love this.
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Go watch fox on sunday
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Night and hear all about how great it is now.
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They're all they're all scattering to the wind.
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There's nowhere there's no support here for this.
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Of course. yeah.
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What's your take this amazing.
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So what's so amazing is when president trump,
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Entered the war in iran,
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You had some people on the right
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Who said, you know, trump is getting bad advice from people.
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It's not trump's fault, but he's getting bad advice.
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And then yet all the real war hawks coming out
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And they were saying,
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It's you, you need to go out and you need to blame trump.
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You know, how dare you suggest trump
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Isn't making this call on his own?
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How dare you suggest he's not his own free man
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And he's not intelligent or whatever.
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But now that we're getting peace,
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All of a sudden they say, no, it's not trump's
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Fault, it's his wicked advisors, it's jd vance.
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His fault is it's jared kushner as well.
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It's someone else's fault.
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I think that we've just completely flipped here.
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But, you know, the one person who hasn't flipped is trump.
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And you know, what actually hasn't
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Flipped is the american interest.
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And so trump has been very clear.
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He's been tough on iran.
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He says that iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
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He is willing to stop that.
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And in the case of this war, i think he's very,
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Very seriously set back the nuclear weapon.
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But that's it.
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He doesn't want to get bogged down
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In another decade long regime change, war.
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The iranian regime, wicked though it is, is a pretty
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Durable regime.
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It lasted twice as long already
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As the cia backed regime that we installed in 1953.
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So i don't think that there was any appetite whatsoever
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For a protracted conflict. american boots on the ground.
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Trump just wasn't going to go there.
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And so what you see is trump is his own man.
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He achieved a lot of strategic objectives, set back
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The nuclear program, destroyed the ballistic missiles,
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Took out two levels of the iranian leadership.
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But he's at this point, interests have diverged.
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And so at this point, trump says,
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We got really what we wanted out of this.
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The state of israel
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Might have some other interests here,
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But that's that's not really our chief concern.
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And so now we're going to win this down, reopen
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The strait of hormuz before we totally obliterate
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Our strategic petroleum reserve.
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We're going to get 20% of the world's oil flowing again.
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And we've taught iran a lesson.
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Maybe we'll go back in if we have to.
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This is good stuff.
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This is exactly what we want.
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This is the pragmatic foreign policy.
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In fact,
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If anyone read the national security document
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That the white house published last year,
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This is exactly what we're talking about. played a clip.
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I played a clip from that on the show yesterday.
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From his speech,
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Which was it mirrored that strategic document
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That you're talking about. and i completely agree.
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People need to remember
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What the north star here is and why trump got elected
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In the first place, and why this pragmatic foreign
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Policy approach completely meets that objective.
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It mirrors that. exactly. go on. yes.
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I mean, in the document
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It says we want to have ideals without being idealist.
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We want
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We want to be realistic
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Without being foreign policy realists.
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In other words, we want to put america first.
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Prudence is the paramount political virtue.
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I think trump has done this very well.
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And so now you're starting to see some fissures.
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A lot of the attacks now are focusing on j.d.
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Vance,
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Because people don't want to go after trump directly.
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But i think a lot of those
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Fissures that you're beginning to see are actually just,
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A reemergence of the fissures you saw back in 2016.
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You're seeing a lot of old
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Trump is sort of anti-trump again.
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Now they're just projecting that onto j.d.
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Vance, who's the heir apparent.
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So i think
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You're already beginning to see 2028 play out right now.
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A lot of divisions within the gop.
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The funny thing is, though,
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There doesn't seem to be a lot of division
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Within the administration, and i'm quite relieved.
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I think they've played this very, very well.
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And i think,
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We were the conclusion of this
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Kind of a war was always going to be a deal
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That didn't satisfy everybody or, protracted conflict.
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And given those two options, i'm happy to take the former.
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I thought you were gonna ask the question.
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I think i have many thoughts.
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I many, many thoughts on on this and but,
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You know, looking ahead to 2028,
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The thought i've had is we see a lot of people,
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They've clearly want to go after j.d.
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Vance.
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They see him as a symbol of, direction in the gop.
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They don't like.
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But i've had this thought where they might try to mount
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A primary challenge to him in 28.
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They might try to push forward a more hawkish person.
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And i just wonder,
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Is there any appetite for that within the broader base?
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I feel like we might even have this divergence where there's
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Very angry people in dc and the entire rest of the country
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Thinks like, oh, jd is great. he's trump's guy.
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He he opposes wars in the middle east. very light.
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Seems awesome.
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He did enjoy bihar, even likes him.
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Now you know i know you know it's funny coming out of the
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You see, the vice president, i think just made this point
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At the white house
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Where he said,
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Look, people are saying i don't have any experience
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Negotiating with hostile regimes.
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I just went on the view.
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Enjoy.
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Bahar is my best friend now, but people are using that,
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Trying to use that against jd as this is
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This is evidence of, some real political talent.
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So i think your point is totally apt, which is a
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Look at the chattering classes all upset about this, policy
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Wonk, bow tie types who are upset.
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But what about the actual gop base?
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And i just don't really see it there.
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I mean, trump has a lock on the gop.
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He took it over in 2016.
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He remains dumb, and his approval ratings
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Among the maga coalition are still sky high.
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And so whoever he picks is is very likely to be the nominee.
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The only person right now from within the administration
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Who could seriously challenge vance is marco rubio.
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Rubio, who i think, by the way, is not all that far
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Apart from vance, despite what some of the chattering class
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Are trying to make him out to be a bush era neocon.
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I don't think that's even really accurate.
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But even if it were a marco, rubio has already endorsed
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Jd vance
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And donald trump has endorsed
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The two of them running as a ticket.
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So i don't know the division within the chattering class.
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Once again,
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I don't think you see that in the admin,
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And i don't think you see it with the base.
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But it is interesting this point you're making.
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I think back to that national review magazine.
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You remember the never trumpers again.
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It was like all the names on that.
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It's like every single name on that national review
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Cover are the ones that are saying this.
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This deal is no good.
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It's basically 1 to 1.
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This is the thing is, you know, look,
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I think some people were
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Sincerely persuaded to support trump after
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After they opposed him in 2016, even when they very publicly
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Opposed him.
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Trump just was really good and he proved a lot of them wrong.
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So i think there was some of that.
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But i think the basic, fissures within the gop,
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Especially in the conservative movement, chattering
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Class policy wonk types, i think those still exist.
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And so it's a curious fact that all of the people
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Who were going most apoplectic over this deal,
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They're they're basically all the people
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Who were in the, the, the against trump issue and
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The big never trump movement.
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So those divisions haven't really, gone away.
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I think you're totally right to that.
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I mean, i said this right when the bombs started
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Dropping in iran, i said, this is the boldest move
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That trump has made of his administration,
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And it poses the biggest risk this really could tank
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Is his legacy.
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Now, trump is very good at giving himself an out.
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So there is a world in which you have this mou,
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And then you have the 60 day negotiation period.
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Well, what's happening in about 60 or 70 days?
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Oh, right. the midterm elections.
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There is a world in which this gets them
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Through the midterm elections.
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And then the war hawks went out again
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Depending on iran's behavior.
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Now, i hope that's not the case. i hope iran behaves.
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I hope this peace deal, remains in place.
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I hope the strait of hormuz remains open
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And we can focus on other things.
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But but yeah, yeah, with trump,
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It's always unpredictable.
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That's his greatest foreign
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Policy strength when he's negotiating.
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Michael.
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No, stay right there. we're going to top
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Talk, immigration, the eu and the pope.
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Just one second.
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Just one second.
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The eu passes its strictest
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Migration law in the eu's
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History, which it's still it's not like it's pretty bad.
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Still, it's still bad,
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But it's like it's in the right direction.
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Okay.
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And then the pope,
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Because he just has to he says this.
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He criticized the blanket red migration is a solution.
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He says many times we don't recognize the reasons
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Why these people had to leave their countries.
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Many reasons violence, war, conflict.
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So simply saying we'll send them away
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So we can wash our hands of the problem
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Doesn't seem like the most christian response to me.
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We really need to take a look at the cases
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And above all, treat people with respect as individuals.
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Now, i just have to say,
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The headline that we're getting with this
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Is this is how the daily beast frames it. pope blasts
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Trump backed immigration plan as not christian.
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Yes, exactly. so that's how it goes.
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But here's the eu folks chanting send them back 53.
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So that's about as exciting
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As any deliberative body in the eu will ever get.
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Send them back. they're not very exciting.
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It's not. it's not very exciting.
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A clip is about 10s too long anyways.
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Nose.
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What do i make of this?
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What do we make of this?
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Well, i love, of course, the framing.
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It always has to be.
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The pope is attacking trump when the pope's comments,
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Like so many of his
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Political comments, were kind of mild mannered.
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You know, as well
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We need to consider the dignity of the migrant,
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Which, of course, we absolutely have to do now,
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Looking back at history, i seem to recall
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A servant of god, queen isabella of spain.
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She was a pretty tough on the migration issue.
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She did reign over the reconquista
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Ending 800 years of muslim occupation of spain.
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I think of pope saint pius the fifth,
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During the battle of lepanto.
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There were a lot of turkish muslims
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Who wanted to migrate into europe.
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And, the pope, with the help of our lady
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And and our lord, turn them around
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In this improbable win
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Instituted the feast
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Of our lady of victory, our lady of the rosary.
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So, you know, i guess it's a mixed bag
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On immigration policy over catholic history.
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And and in fairness to the pope, when the pope,
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He makes these comments and he's
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Speaking in defense of members of his flock,
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You know, some of the migrants, most of them are muslims,
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I guess, but some of them are in his flock.
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And he's speaking of human dignity more broadly.
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But when he was really pressed on the issue last year,
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He on open borders, he said, no, no, no.
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Nobody thinks a country should have open borders.
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A country has a
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Right to determine
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Who and how and when people come into the country.
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So when you really press him on the political issue,
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He's been clear about that.
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But, i agree.
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I mean,
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I suppose in this case it's probably good for
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European migration policy
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That the pope is not a member of any european parliament.
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And, you know, the
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The pope's brother does also seem to have a little bit
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Of a different view on migration.
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So, you know, look, i really i am a pope defender.
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I'm a pope leo enjoyer.
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I think, really his papacy has been in his
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Pontificate has been a nice,
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Turn of events after recent years.
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But yeah, some of the,
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Some of the political issues,
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He's a little bit more to the left and happily,
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You know, he's he's
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Not the one actually legislating in these countries.
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So i kind of want to get another pope thing
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Because it links to another topic we wanted that
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We were hitting earlier about
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The left
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Doesn't seem to love america as much anymore.
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And they actually asked the pope who he would cheer for
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If peru and the united states were to play each other.
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And he,
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Of course, spent a long time as a as a priest in peru.
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And it seems he said he'd probably cheer for
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For peru and i'm not going to dive
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Too deep into his personal feelings.
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But, michael,
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Why don't people want to cheer for the united states?
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We would be the underdog against peru, i suspect not.
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What do we we were.
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I don't know, i'm really torn on this because i.
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I love america, but i really hate soccer.
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And i don't want soccer to take root here.
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So i guess i have to root for the american team.
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You know, when it comes to the pope
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Saying i'd probably root for peru, i do think part.
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Look, maybe he just really likes peru.
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He spent a lot of time there.
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But part of it, i think, is
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He's very sensitive, is the first american pope.
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I don't think he wants to be seen as being, to
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Partizan or, i don't know, too nationalistic about america.
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So he's not going to be in the united states on july 4th.
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He's going to be in lampedusa.
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I think there's a little bit of that going on.
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The one upside, to the pope's american citizenship,
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We we know how he voted, and we know
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He's the first pope who is a registered republican.
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So i'll take it.
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You know, i'll take the wins there.
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In terms of these democrat politicians,
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An elected democrat, congressman
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And and the woman that he's
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Running against in new york's 13th,
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They said, who you rooting for in the world cup?
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One of them says mexico. one of them says senegal.
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And you senegal. good.
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What the heck, man?
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You know,
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Look, democrats
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Have hated america for a long time,
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But they used to be pretty chill about it.
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Like when obama would come out and say,
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Well, i want to fundamentally transform america.
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That is a statement of contempt for america.
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You don't want to fundamentally transform
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Something he love, but at least he's still kind of
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He's subtle.
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He's saying, oh, you know, there's
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No red america, there's no blue america.
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United states or whatever.
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And so now they're just totally open about it.
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And i mean, i actually came to the conclusion last night,
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These people should not vote.
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And i'm not even i'm not just being provocative
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Or hyperbolic.
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If you certainly
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If you're an elected representative, for goodness
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Sakes, the congressman's title is u.s.
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Representative.
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You can't even vote for the u.s.
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Team in the world cup that we're hosting.
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But but i kind of think you look at that cnn poll,
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Reuters ipsos, showing that that, support
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Among democrats for pride in america has collapsed by.
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I think we should play it for the for the audience up 38.
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You'll get the reaction and that you'll take us home here.
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38 look at how we have an increasing polarization
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On this issue will display the flag on july 4th.
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The american flag back in july of 2001.
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Look at this.
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Yet 68% of republicans, 65% of democrats
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Saying that they would in fact display the flag on july 4th.
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You come over to this side of the screen.
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Republicans basically are where they were
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25 years ago, right? 64%.
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But look at that democratic percentage,
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Absolutely plummeting.
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Just 27% of democrats say they will, in fact,
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Display the flag on july 4th and in 2026.
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Look at this again.
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The democratic percentage absolutely plummets
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To just 29% of democrats say they're extremely
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Are very proud to be an american.
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That republican percentage
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The exact same final minute to you michael.
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What do you make of this.
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These people shouldn't vote.
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They should not be allowed to vote.
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I'm not even not like thrown bombs. you.
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I have lots of provocative thoughts
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About who shouldn't vote. so i'm.
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Yeah, well. right. that's true. we could be here all day.
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You cannot enfranchise people
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Who openly, actively hate the country.
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The whole point of voting is
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So that people who have a stake in the country,
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Who wish for the good of the country,
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Can actually promote it.
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We now have elected representatives and ordinary
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Voters who overwhelmingly and openly hate the country.
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If those are the people running the country,
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It ain't going to go well for very long.
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I mean, and the fact that we're hosting
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A big soccer tournament, maybe, is evidence
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That our national decline is already upon us.
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It's dead serious that
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If this is why immigration can be a hazard, you get people
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Whose top priority is a foreign country, a foreign country.
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Mexico agitates for its, immigrants to do this.
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Plenty of other countries do, too.
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Michael, it's very good to have.
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You will certainly be having you on more.
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I'm sure the pope will say
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More things that will occasionally
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Sit on the pope says something else obnoxious.
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We're going to.
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We know who to call.
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Michael north, thank you for your time, my friend.
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We'll talk to you soon. see you later.
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