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As you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theories
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That we do not indulge, that we do not discuss.
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This is different.
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Joe kent was a government official at a very important
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Post, and now he's saying he's willing to testify,
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Ostensibly on behalf of tyler robinson. yes,
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This is a bigger deal.
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This is a line crossed that we have not seen.
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Yes. let's i mean, let's just recite it where he says,
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Kent, this is shellenberger reporting on substack.
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Kent said he knew he might be called as a witness
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Before he made his statements that a, quote, foreign
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Nexus may have been involved in kirk's assassination.
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I was definitely warned of that over and over again,
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Said kent.
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If i end up having to play that role, then i'll do it.
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It's not something i'm seeking.
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When pressed that his testimony could help the robinson
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Defense, kent said then honestly, so be it.
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If it gets us to the truth, that's obviously the risk.
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I'm taking.
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Neither robinson's attorneys nor the prosecuting attorneys
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Responded to a request for comment.
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And then, look, i'm not sure if there's more
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I might have to pay for shellenberger subscription.
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Yeah, but yeah, i'm sure it does go go further.
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And we're going to,
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Like i said, be talking to michael shellenberger.
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And, i can't wait to hear what he has to say.
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This, this, this to me
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Is this is galaxy brain run amuck.
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And let me explain.
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Well, why i say that.
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Jonathan turley,
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Who is a i guess he's a contributor to fox news legal
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Contributor, he's a professor of law at george
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Washington university, said that 90% of the evidence
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Accumulated against tyler robinson could be thrown out
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So the defense
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Could be successful during that 90% of the evidence,
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And he would still be found guilty of murder.
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Look, let's refresh people.
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There is a murder weapon that was found near
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The site of the shooting.
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It was owned by tyler robinson's family, given to him
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By his grandpa of the caliber used to shoot charlie.
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It has his dna all over it.
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All over the casings. he.
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They released a photo of the shooter.
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They are not able to find him otherwise.
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Tyler robinson's parents see that photo and think
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That looks like tyler.
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They begin asking him things like, where is your.
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I believe it was his grandfather's gun.
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They start asking him this.
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Tyler robinson starts talking like he might kill himself.
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They get a friend of the family to sit down with him.
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He actually he admits that it's him.
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They get him to drive up to arm and turn himself in.
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His parents helped him turn him in.
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And when you run into people who say that that didn't happen
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Or that's fabricated,
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There's his confession, there's digital confessions, but also
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His parents are out there.
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They have never stepped forward and said, this is a lie.
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They could easily do that.
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It would be trivial to do that if it was the case.
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They have not done that.
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His parents turned him in.
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That is the most obvious
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Piece of evidence in the world that nothing can argue around.
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And some people are so obsessed with these same conspiracies
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That they concoct for every other thing that ever happens.
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And so they have to shove it into this one too,
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Because they care more about their conspiracy theories
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Than about the person who murdered my friend.
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Facing justice.
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I am fed up with it.
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Yeah, and you should be.
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And this. this is
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I mean,
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This is a tough
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Job for us today, to be honest,
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Because this is really personal.
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I have been open to everything.
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I think, candidly, i don't get enough credit
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For even the fact that i shared
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These group chats in the first place.
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We shared a lot of information about trans, about charlie,
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How charlie was more concerned
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About than any other community,
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About the trans coming after him.
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You won't know the truth.
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That's actually the truth.
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I heard over the course of the last two years
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Of charlie's life, probably about 50 references
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Of how he, he knew the trans, trans
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People was going to come after him.
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And he was worried about that.
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That's the truth.
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Never mentioned one time about the jews.
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Okay. never once.
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And here's here's why it's so frustrating
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Is because
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There is going to be even more evidence
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That is presented to the public in may
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At the evidentiary hearing. okay.
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And it's a mountain of evidence,
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Some of which has been made public,
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Some of which has not been made public yet.
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And the prosecution is going to lay out its case
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Against tyler robertson.
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And i'm told it's a whopper.
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I'm told they've got this guy dead to rights.
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And meanwhile you have government officials
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That are now saying on the record, two journalists,
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They are willing to testify on behalf of the defense
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To get ostensibly to get tyler robertson off the hook
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For something that he did.
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And so the level of betrayal
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That i currently feel is dramatic
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And extreme, the level of just frustration,
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The the idiocy that is on
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Full display, we have to call it out.
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Because if this ends up screwing up the jury pool,
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If this ends up in some ways
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Getting a hung jury, getting a getting this taste,
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This case thrown out, or even just
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Getting the death penalty off the case,
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Of the potential, list of consequences here.
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I'm not going to be happy with that.
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But if this is how it reads, this is an egregious,
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Egregious moment that, we're having to live through.
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Egregious moment that, we're having to live through.
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As we
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Mentioned earlier we
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We're going to be joined by michael shellenberger.
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And he's joining us now.
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Welcome to the show michael.
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It's great to have you.
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Thank you for you know, we
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We talked this morning after your story broke,
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And boy, oh, boy, it's, this is a big one.
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And, you interviewed joe kent, and so i'll let you say it
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In your own words.
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What did he tell you?
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Hey, thanks for having me on and for inviting me on.
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Yeah. i mean, i think it's pretty big news.
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Joe can,
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Of course, the former director
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Of the national counterterrorism center,
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You know, has been saying for the last week that,
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He thinks that, that he doesn't buy
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The lone shooter theory of the assassination of charlie kirk.
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He suspects there's a foreign nexus.
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Was the words he used, involved in that investigation.
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He said that the fbi prevented him from investigating it
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And that he viewed that as, suspicious.
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And if there was nothing there, he told me then,
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Why did they prevent him from investigating it?
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I asked him if he was aware before he went public last week
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That, tyler
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Robinson, the the suspected assassin of charlie kirk,
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That his defense attorneys might actually call ken to the
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Witness stand to argue that,
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That robinson could not be convicted
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Because the prosecution had not given them all
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The information that available to them.
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That's something known
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As the brady rule, named after a supreme court
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Decision, i believe, in the 1960s.
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But nonetheless,
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Most people are familiar with it from television,
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Which is that the prosecutors can't deny
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The federal government, can't deny
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The government can't deny the defense.
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Any information.
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And kent is saying that there is information,
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And that the investigation itself was inadequate
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And that, you know, i spoke to a constitutional,
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Law, legal scholar yesterday who said, you know,
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It would be a no brainer for the defense attorneys.
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Now, for robinson to use kent statements,
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As a way to, you know, gain an advantage or potentially,
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A hung jury or a mistrial or something of that nature.
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So he was pretty serious for people
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That, are interested in seeing,
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Justice served with the assassination of charlie kirk.
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Well, listen, michael, i know that you have to be sort
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Of dispassionate. you're a reporter.
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But to me, this feels like a giant red line.
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This feels like like galaxy brain run amuck.
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Did you.
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Did you get a chance to ask him?
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Just straight up.
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Just because he didn't get led into the investigation doesn't
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Mean it wasn't investigated.
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Yeah, i mean, thanks.
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I appreciate the the point.
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I mean, i'm trying to,
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You know, i mean, the truth is, i actually, like,
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Kind of everybody involved in this.
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I've always,
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I've actually admired, kent and the things he said
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In the past.
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I also care a lot about the transgender, issue.
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We we reported exclusively on leaks.
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You've been amazing on this issue, michael.
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Just a bit.
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Just to underscore your point,
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You have been one of the the lead voices
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Exposing some of the craziness and the zaniness, behind the,
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Behind the trans gender radical trans, ideology.
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So i just wanted to give you some bonafides there.
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Thank you.
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Yeah. it's a obviously it's a big issue.
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And i think many americans felt
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That they didn't need to pay attention to the issue at all.
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And but now we've seen, trans identified people, engaged
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In, shootings, obviously, or maybe not obviously.
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Probably obviously to your audience,
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It was the last thing that charlie kirk was talking about.
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Before he was assassinated.
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It appears as though the evidence that tyler robinson,
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Committed that assassination is pretty overwhelming.
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And and to be fair to joe kent, he didn't dispute that.
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What's really what he's raising here is that
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There may be some broader conspiracy,
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And there's not a lot of evidence for that.
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And, but nonetheless, because kent is such
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An important voice,
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He could easily be used by the defense attorneys.
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I did
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Directly ask him repeatedly that, you know,
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Given that his agency is an intelligence gathering
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And really intelligence synthesizing and
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Coordinating agencies as part of the broader
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Coordinating and intelligence mission
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Of the office of the director of national intelligence.
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You know, he didn't have the authority
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To do a law enforcement
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Investigation as fbi investigation.
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And, you know, didn't he sort of need to trust that
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His colleagues at the fbi and elsewhere
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Or and also with the utah, police, law enforcement,
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At some point, you know, you can pass along a tip or
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An idea, but don't you at some point
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Have to sort of trust unless you have other evidence,
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You know, and i asked him if he had other evidence,
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You know, of some sort of corruption or conspiracy.
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And he said he didn't.
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So it kind of raises the question of,
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You know, what is this sort of based on?
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Because i think it's worth pointing out to people
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That the restrictions on kent's authority
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To investigate the kirk murder are not arbitrary.
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It's not something that
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Director kash patel or whatever you think of him,
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Sort of invented as a way to stymie a proper investigation.
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Those those restrictions on investigative
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Power are what protect us as citizens.
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It's written into our constitution.
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It's part of our lockean system of government.
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And i think we saw those, we saw the intelligence
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Community abuse those powers, to create the russiagate hoax.
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You know, the russian conspiracy hoax.
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So. and it's not just that.
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I mean, we can go through, you know, the intel.
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It wasn't the first time
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The intelligence community had abused its powers.
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But when you go through so.
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So these the restrictions on kent
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That i think for people that maybe
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Haven't thought about it a lot or haven't
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You know, that don't work, don't aren't familiar
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With the intricacies of why these laws exist.
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I think it's important context like these laws are not there
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To prevent a thorough investigation
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Or to cover up things.
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And it certainly wasn't
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A subjective determination by the fbi director.
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It's written into laws.
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And those laws are there, you know,
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First and foremost, to protect us, obviously.
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But obviously, part of the process
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Of protecting innocent civilians is also,
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To make sure that you get the guilty party
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And you don't go off and engage in activities that would
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Potentially, entrap innocent people.
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Here's here's the problem though.
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So he's now essentially said that he's willing to go
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Testify ostensibly on
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Behalf of the defense, on tyler robinson's defense.
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I've heard him say in other interviews that,
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You know, he's he said, i'm sure there's a slam
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Dunk case against tyler robinson.
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I'm not saying it wasn't him,
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But now it seems like almost he's moved on from that point.
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Did did you ascertain his sense, his internal sense
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Of the guilt of tyler robinson or not?
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Well, this is let's get let's get into this part
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Because this is extremely important
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And, important to understand.
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And i posted, the on all of the
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On the record portions of our interview i posted.
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And also, was very careful to make sure that the stuff
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That was posted was on the record,
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After the fact confirmed it, with kent,
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Earlier, today before publishing.
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So everything that's in there,
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In that recording over 30 minutes,
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I think what's he also said that he thought
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That there was a strong case against robinson,
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And i don't think he's changed that view.
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I'm not.
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Well, i should have put it this way.
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I don't think anybody in the media had yet asked him
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Directly and kind of consistently,
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If he was aware that his allegations
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Could be used by robinson's defense team to argue
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That robinson was potentially a victim of a wider conspiracy.
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And, and kent said that he was aware of that
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Before going public.
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The brady rule is not an obscure rule.
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I mean, everybody knows that, right?
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Defense attorneys are going to need to know
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Everything that went into some investigation.
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Any government investigation.
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That's a really important civil liberties protection.
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You know, and similarly, it's a protection,
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You know, it's protection of the innocent.
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It's a strong protection of people, of defendants
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That people may be very convinced already guilty,
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But it's also there to make sure that,
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That, that you're not, you know,
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Like we've been talking about abusing those authorities, but,
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He said he was aware of that.
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He said he wasn't like volunteering to to testify,
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But he said he was aware that he
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He might be asked to investigate.
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And like i said, i think
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I think if i'd be shocked if robinson's attorneys
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Don't use this.
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Well, of course, yeah, this is the obvious.
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This is the
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Obvious result of this, is that he's doing this pr tour.
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And and that's what infuriates me is he's like endlessly.
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He's like someone who's vague
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Posting on facebook where he's like,
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There's there's things i might know.
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People should know. i'm.
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But i can't tell you what. so but i can't go.
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I can't go on the record with this reporter
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That i'm talking to, i can't like.
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It's just what do you actually think happened?
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If you want to do that, you can at least argue with him.
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But like this endless appeal to.
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Well, i had the senior job.
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I saw things everywhere, like,
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I'm sick and tired of seeing this, and i always see it
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From the same people who are maximally conspiratorial.
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I think michael, i can you can you stay right there?
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I'm sorry. i we'll be right back.
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More with michael shellenberger.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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Here's what i want everybody to know
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Shortly after tyler robinson's arrest, the prosecutors
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Released a probable cause affidavit
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Detailing the evidence
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Gathered immediately after charlie's assassination.
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The evidence presented at that time was overwhelming.
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But people also need to remember this
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In the months that have followed.
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We know the investigation has continued.
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More details will come out in may,
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When the assassin has a probable cause hearing,
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And we are certain
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There will be even more evidence
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Submitted against tyler robinson by the state.
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And that's a so so the frustration here, michael,
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Is that we have this vacuum, this void that's been created
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Where the investigation is kind of still ongoing.
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They're still gathering it,
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Getting it presentable for this may probable cause hearing.
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But the internet never stops.
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And joe kent resigned when he did.
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And now he's doing this pr tour and it really does.
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And i want to get this through the audience's head.
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This really
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Does have a potential to not only taint a jury pool,
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But to undermine the very prosecution of tyler
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Robinson, who i am 100% convinced
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Pulled the trigger and killed charlie kirk.
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Could you just speak to that?
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Yeah, sure.
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I mean, i think,
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You know, the first thing that's just worth
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Acknowledging is that, you know, the american people,
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All of us have seen, you know, real world conspiracies,
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Exposed and i mean by conspiracies,
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You know, illegal secret activity by the government.
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Russiagate collusion hoax is the most famous.
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We uncovered a censorship industrial complex,
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Whereby government officials working with, you know,
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Intelligence community officials or recently departed
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Intelligence community officials pressured
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Social media companies to engage in mass censorship.
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We saw a cover up of the,
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Science of covid's origins,
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Almost certainly in a laboratory in china.
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So i think americans are.
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And that's not even to get into,
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You know,
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Other spectacular
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Potential conspiracies like jfk or,
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You know, we've been on all of that stuff as well.
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Michael, i'm not like the conspiracy
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Theorists have been proven
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Right about a lot, but that was before
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You had people that charlie helped
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Get into these positions in the first place.
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You know, as part of the investigative arm.
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You know, i just anyways, i'm sorry i cut you off.
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Please.
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Well, then that's i mean, i think that's just important
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Context that, i, you know, i'm, i'm my opponent.
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My critics call me, accuse me of being an irresponsible
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Conspiracy theorist.
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So, but i also just think it's important,
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You know, obviously, that you have evidence
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To allege, potential, you know, you know,
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Really strong evidence,
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Especially behind really strong allegations like this one.
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And i think a lot of times right now, you know,
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Because the social media and podcasting is so powerful
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That i think, you know, it's fun, it's entertaining.
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You know, everybody loves a good conspiracy theory.
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And, i think that's, you know, i think actually some amount
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Of speculation is necessary.
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I think you should ask, asking
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Even outrageous questions is totally appropriate,
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I think, to, i think, though,
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That there are consequences potentially,
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If that starts to affect things like juries, you know,
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And it starts to, you know, i think the point is
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That we want to have trust in our institutions.
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It's not that we want to be in a state of permanent distrust.
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We need to have, that's why you need a regular changes
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Of government to have, you know, a clean house.
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I, i have seen no evidence that
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Anybody in this administration, would do anything.
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I mean, this is an administration
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That's absolutely passionate about charlie kirk.
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The, you know, i think
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Everybody knows that the reaction
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From the trump administration, the white house,
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All the federal agencies was of just shock
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And horror and outrage.
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So i just don't see how you how any broader conspiracy
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Could be either carried out or, or covered up
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In the ways that i think, joe khan is suggesting here.
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And, and so, you know, like, like,
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You know, if there's this really not,
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There's just not anything here that would suggest that
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There's a cover up going on that i'm saying,
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Or that anybody else was involved, then, you know,
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Then tyler robinson, you know, and i think can at one point
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Sort of or a couple points maybe in the interview,
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Sort of agreed that you don't need anybody else.
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I mean, tyler robinson, you know, it appears
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From the evidence
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That's been released so far, there's ample motive
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And, a lot of evidence that he did it.
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So i don't
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I just don't see the need to add something else to it.
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And again,
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You would think, well,
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Maybe it's just for fun and, you know, just, you know,
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You know, podcasting, entertainment.
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But in this case,
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I think the consequences could be quite serious.
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Yeah.
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And that's what i think we're all terrified of.
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And i,
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And i just
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Want to make a point here i am for asking questions.
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This is why i shared the group chat with joe
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Kent in the first place.
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I'm not afraid of the answer to those questions.
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If israel had a hand in killing charlie, i want to know.
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I wanted to know.
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What i'm telling you is that we've had six months
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Plus since that time to track down all those leads,
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None of which have been corroborated,
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None of which have actionable evidence behind, none of which
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Have been presented in any way, shape or form
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To suggest there was there was, probably that there was any
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The overwhelming evidence very rapidly.
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There's zero evidence.
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That's why we're currently facing trial.
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Yeah.
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I am willing to ask the hard questions.
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We want the truth.
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But when there's no evidence and there's no facts
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That would back up those questions,
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Then you have to say, okay, moving on.
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All right. you couldn't corroborate it. okay.
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So i'm not anti asking questions i'm
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Not anti conspiracy theories i'm i'm open to it all okay.
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But you have to have facts.
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And the recklessness with which these accusations
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Are being thrown out now has real world implications.
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And i just it's this brain rot michael, that's driving me
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Insane being on the other side of it.
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I will never
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Look at a conspiracy theory the same way,
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Having been on this side of it,
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Because people make jumps to conclude,
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They jump to conclusions, they connect
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Disparate pieces of evidence,
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And they connect them in ways that don't make any sense.
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So anyways, i guess final minute to you, michael,
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Where does this leave us,
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And what do you expect to happen next?
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Yeah, i mean, for me, i, you know, i've been worked on this
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For now, a couple days
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And really it's been heavy focus on it.
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I kind of walk away,
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Just reminded that these restrictions
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On what intelligence agencies can do
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Are really good and important.
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And we wouldn't want to reduce those, protections.
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I'm not seeing evidence of a wider conspiracy.
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I don't think anyone's presented, evidence of that.
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I am very worried about this affecting the trial.
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I think most people, when they think about
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What's occurred now, would share that concern.
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And, you know, i think that people
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Sometimes want to have a bigger meaning
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For the charlie kirk assassination.
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Like it couldn't just be one guy.
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I mean, because the assassination is just
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It's one of the, you know, most significant
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Political assassinations in american history.
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And so to kind of go it was just a guy, you know,
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You know, that had a maybe a furry
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Fetish and a trans identified boyfriend.
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I think for a lot of people
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That might feel like not big enough
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For something or a significant enough,
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And i would say it is big enough.
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What's i mean, charlie kirk's whole legacy
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Is tied up with him not going along with the idea
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That he needed to agree with a belief
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That you could change your sex
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Or that man could become woman.
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And it's a powerful inside.
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Michael, we got to wrap it up. that's a powerful insight.
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The. it's not psychologically satisfying enough.
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The truth for some people,
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But the truth has to be the truth at some point.
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Thank you, michael, for joining us on short notice.
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Thank you, my friend.
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Michael Shellenberger: March 25, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today

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