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Charlie Kirk Today | Miranda Devine: November 19, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | November 19, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- I'm andrew calvert, joined by blake neff.
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- Complicated business this morning.
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- Arizona got a little bit of rain
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- And the whole block where the studios
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- Located, at and probably beyond, lost power.
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- So our team has been busily working to restore power.
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- So, apologies, we had to revert to a prerecorded previous
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- Episode of the charlie kirk show, but, they can't see it.
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- But what's really amazing is all the cameras
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- Are now just different and everything.
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- Everything's. yeah, everything's been swapped out.
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- We're lucky to be here.
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- We're just happy to be here right now.
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- So we're hoping that you can actually hear us.
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- And we are very excited.
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- We we lost sager and jerry that
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- We were going to have an hour one talking about,
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- Property taxes and what?
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- We're going to work to reschedule that interview.
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- But this hour, we have the great helen andrews
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- On an article that she wrote for compact
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- Magazine called the great feminization.
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- Helen, you wrote this fantastic article.
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- Blake
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- Actually flagged it for me, and blake is here in studio.
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- I'm not sure if, we can actually get him up
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- Visually, but, this this premise, it.
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- You said it was like a light bulb moment for you,
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- And it was.
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- And it it went back to larry summers, who was, you know,
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- Obviously was in the obama administration.
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- He's now being referenced in, context
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- Of the jeffrey epstein files and the the estate
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- Releasing these emails.
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- So he's he's a known commodity, but he used to be
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- The president of harvard, and he was canceled.
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- And this moment was, there was an article written
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- About it, an essay that you you referenced in your essay.
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- That was this moment.
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- What is that moment?
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- So larry summers had to
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- Resign as president of harvard, one of the most powerful
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- Positions in america, because he made some
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- Very un-pc remarks about women in science.
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- Specifically, he said that we all can observe
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- That women are underrepresented at the very high
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- End of scientific achievement.
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- If you look at the physics department of mit or harvard,
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- There are more men there than women.
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- And larry summers ventured to say that
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- This was not because the head of the physics department
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- At mit is biased against women or hates women.
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- It's simply because of first, some differences in aptitude.
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- There are more men at the extreme end of the bell curve,
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- So there are more male geniuses and also more male idiots,
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- But also differences in preferences.
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- Women tend to be even very bright,
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- Smart women who are at that
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- End of the bell curve tend to gravitate to fields
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- That involve caring or people, or some kind of human angle.
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- They are not attracted or disproportionately
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- Less likely to be attracted
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- To really abstract fields like math or physics.
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- All of this is well within the scientific mainstream.
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- It corresponds to survey data that we have, and just all the
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- Kind of social, scientific data you could possibly want
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- Backs up the idea that there are differences
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- Between men and women, and specifically in the areas
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- Of what kinds of fields they're attracted to.
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- But larry summers,
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- As punishment for saying what everybody in
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- Who actually studies this knows to be a fact,
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- Was, canceled, one of the first cancellations
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- By a bunch of female scientists who were in the audience
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- For the speech, where he made those remarks.
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- They said, larry summers hates women.
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- He's a misogynist, he's biased,
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- And we are going to go gunning for his job.
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- And they succeeded.
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- They managed to get the president of harvard
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- Forced out of his job for telling the truth.
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- And the light bulb moment that i came across in an essay
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- And later applied to other cancellations,
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- Was that this type of cancellation
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- Is just female social behavior.
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- It is what, groups of women is how groups of women
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- Interact, how groups of women tend to police norms,
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- How they deal with conflict through ostracism
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- Rather than direct confrontation,
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- Through excluding people who are causing disruption
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- Rather than, you know, having arguments based on facts.
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- So these female social dynamics were being applied
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- To larry summers and his cancellation.
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- And it seemed to me from the perspective of post
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- Wokeness, you know, a few years
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- After larry summers left his job
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- That this kind of cancellation was popping up more
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- And more, and has been since the summer of 2020.
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- And if that is
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- A manifestation of female group dynamics in institutions
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- And organizations where they haven't
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- Been seen before or haven't prevailed before,
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- Then that seems like a really important social development
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- That people need to be talking more and thinking more about.
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- Yeah, a classic field that was basically
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- All men historically is law.
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- Almost all lawyers are men.
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- Almost all judges were men.
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- Now the majority of law students are women.
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- I believe the majority of graduates are women.
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- And i think soon
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- It might even be the majority of,
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- All practicing lawyers will be women.
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- And you lay out,
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- You know, kind of predictions about what that will mean
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- For america, for the rule of law,
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- For how we approach this important topic.
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- I guess, do you want to just repeat that for our audience?
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- Always ground all of my observation
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- Is about the feminization of law
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- And things that i can see with my own eyes, you know?
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- So i'm not just, speculating abstractly on how
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- General female tendencies might play out.
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- What i do instead is i look at types of law
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- Where women already predominate.
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- One example would be the title nine courts
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- For sexual assault on college campuses that we had.
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- That was a whole new legal system
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- That was basically designed, implemented
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- And controlled throughout by women.
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- And what we saw was it was stacked against men.
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- It forfeited a lot of really important due process,
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- Protections for the accused.
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- It threw them out
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- Because the people who designed
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- The system tended to sympathize
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- With women and tended not to sympathize with the men
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- Who were accused.
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- Another example of
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- An area of law that is highly feminized,
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- That might be a surprise to your listeners
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- Is immigration law.
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- People don't know this, but, a majority of immigration
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- Lawyers are female, over 60%, i believe.
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- So immigration law is a very highly feminized,
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- Type of legal practice.
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- And that's one area of law where we all can observe
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- The letter of the law is still there.
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- We still have lots of laws on the books about citizenship
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- And deportation and, immigration.
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- And,
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- When people are allowed
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- To be in this country, when they're not.
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- But those laws are sort of made a mockery of by a system
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- That has been abused to within an inch of its life.
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- And why has it
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- Been so stretched to, to be, to be almost meaningless?
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- Because the lawyers have sympathy
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- For these human stories.
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- We're in a situation where you can't enforce
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- Immigration law if it involves being mean to somebody or
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- Making somebody feel sad,
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- In genesis
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- 12 three, god made a powerful promise
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- To abraham, the father of the jewish people.
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- I will bless those who bless you.
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- The christian bible tells us
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- That we have been grafted into god's family tree.
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- The rich olive tree of israel,
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- The very foundations of the christian faith,
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- The bible and jesus, whom christians call
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- The messiah, are deeply rooted in israel.
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- Supporting israel aligns christians with god's
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- Prophetic timeline.
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- It demonstrates our willingness to be instruments of
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- God's blessing, uplifting his chosen people,
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- And it calls us to confront and heal
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- The centuries old wounds of anti-semitism.
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- The scripture says how good and how
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- Pleasant it is when brethren dwell together.
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- You can be part of this historic movement
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- Of bringing light to our world.
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- Learn more by going to ifc.
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- J.org today.
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- J.org today.
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- Helen, you say that
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- Men are more designed for war, right?
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- Which there's, there's, and women tend to be more,
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- More sort of their group dynamics
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- About protecting the young
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- Offspring, which makes perfect sense,
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- But that tends to make men appeasers
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- They're willing to get over, conflicts because they need
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- To ultimately find peace. that's the whole point of wars.
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- You you wage war and conflict, and then you reach peace.
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- The other end.
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- How are we seeing this play out now in the era of woke?
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- And it affects every institution.
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- I like to reference blake's example
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- That we can no longer build boats.
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- We can't do basic, you know, striving,
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- Excellent things as a country and as a culture anymore.
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- And i can't help but think back to this task
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- Oriented, nature of men versus women.
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- The floor is yours, helen.
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- I was fascinated to
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- Learn that these same dynamics appear in primatology.
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- That is, people who look at chimpanzees all day, observe
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- That when two male chimpanzees have a conflict,
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- They'll have a fight about it and reestablish
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- Which one of them is the alpha, and then they will move on.
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- When two female chimpanzees have a conflict,
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- They will leave and never speak
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- To each other again, basically.
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- So men are much better at resolving conflict and
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- Then moving on, whereas women tend to hold on to things,
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- And sort of, not move on after conflict.
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- And that's what we saw a lot during wokeness.
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- People were targeted for behavior
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- Or for making statements that were un-pc.
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- And until, you know, pre wokeness,
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- The way you would deal with a situation like that is
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- You would have a debate.
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- James damore would be at google and he would say,
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- I think female underrepresentation in science
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- Is due to, biological attributes and not bias.
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- The way to deal with that is to have a conversation
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- About whether he's correct or not.
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- The way wokeness deals with that is by saying,
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- I can't believe you just said that.
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- I'm going to get you fired from your job.
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- Wokeness was an inability to have any kind of open debate,
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- Because the very existence of that debate
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- Seemed to much like conflict,
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- And conflict had to be suppressed.
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- And this was just it's so massively toxic
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- For so many institutions since 2020.
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- And the reason why i think it's important to consider
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- Whether wokeness is, a product of demographic feminization
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- Is because if it is, that means wokeness is not over.
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- A lot of people look around, they think, you know,
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- Donald trump won the election, wokeness is finished.
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- We can all move on. the vibe shift is here.
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- But i think that if these
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- If if wokeness is just female patterns of behavior
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- In institutions
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- Where women
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- Were not as well-represented until recently,
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- Then that means it's here to stay
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- And we need to deal with it.
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- Head on.
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- Well, i guess that's the natural follow up is
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- If it's a natural byproduct of institutions being
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- 50% or more female
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- Is what are one, i guess.
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- What are the civilizational implications of that
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- For the united states, for europe, for, i guess, earth
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- And do you believe there's, i guess, a way to
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- To mitigate that downside, or is that just going to be
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- The nature of things going forward?
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- Because i guess to me, it's hard to imagine
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- You're going to turf 60 million women out of the workplace.
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- And that's why, sort of the next obvious question,
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- After we established that wokeness is a product of
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- Feminization, is
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- Is feminism a naturally occurring phenomenon?
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- This is the position that a lot of liberals take.
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- They say, well, you know, the the field of law is becoming
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- More and more feminized.
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- Well, maybe women are just better.
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- Maybe women are out competing then within the field of law.
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- Maybe women are just better employees.
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- And that's why
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- Our newsrooms and businesses
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- Are getting more and more feminized.
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- And if i thought that was true,
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- Then i would say there's no solution to feminization
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- Because i believe in fairness and meritocracy.
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- And if women
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- Really are just out competing, then because they're better
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- At stuff,
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- Then there's not a lot i can say in response to that.
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- However, i think a lot of us would accept
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- That in many cases, fields become more and more feminized,
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- Not because women are out competing men
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- Within that field,
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- But because women are feminizing that field
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- And making it more and more friendly
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- To feminine preferences and patterns of behavior.
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- Like if you're working at a business that is so horrified
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- That it's like,
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- You know, the
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- Hr lady designed every aspect of your day to day office
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- Experience, she determined who advanced at that company,
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- Who got the best promotions and the best assignments
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- And everything was touchy feely in a rfi type of way.
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- Obviously, a masculine man is not going to do
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- Well in that environment, and he's not going to advance.
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- But that's not because he's not competitive.
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- It's not because he's not good at his job.
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- It's just because that kind of highly feminized organization
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- Is not friendly to his virtues and attributes.
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- Yeah.
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- So i think when we consider
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- How do we deal with feminization,
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- If it's something we want to roll back,
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- How should we go about it?
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- That's the first place to look.
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- Are there any institutions or organizations
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- That are too feminized in this unnatural way?
- 00:13:50.055 --> 00:13:52.858
- Helen andrews.
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- Great piece in compact magazine.
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- The great feminization.
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- Thank you.
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- Author of the new book, the big guy.
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- She is joining the charlie kirk show.
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- Miranda.
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- Welcome back. it's good to see you.
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- Thanks so much, andrew.
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- Great to talk to you.
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- Yeah, great to talk to you as well.
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- You had a bombshell article yesterday about,
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- The would be assassin of president trump.
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- And you, you threaded in there a little piece
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- About some of his, his fetishes.
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- Maybe he had,
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- It was entertaining a furry fetish
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- Or referred to himself with they them pronouns.
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- Tell us more. miranda devine.
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- It's look at slim pickings.
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- My source went through 17 different online platforms
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- That he found
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- That this, would be assassin of the president thomas
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- Crooks had, logged into or, had accounts with.
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- And, one of them was this site called deviant art,
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- Which i had not heard of before, but apparently it's
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- The biggest online hub for furry activity,
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- The furry community, which, of course,
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- Is this kind of sexual fetish where people dress up
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- As animals, or they like cartoon figures
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- Of sort of humanized animals that have sex or a nude,
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- In some of
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- I think some of it's not sexual,
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- But most of it seems to be anyway, it's it's weird.
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- And, so, so this guy, thomas crookes
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- Had two accounts on, on this platform and,
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- He also on this platform used
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- They, them pronouns.
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- The only thing my source could find,
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- You know, activity of thomas crookes
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- That still existed on that platform or on the archive was,
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- An image of a, sort of,
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- Sort of bizarre cartoon image of a very musclebound
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- Sort of man's body, like a sylvester stallone
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- Or arnold schwarzenegger type body with the head
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- Of a woman on top, you know, long hair and a female face.
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- And with this puny little guy next to her in his underpants.
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- And he looked kind of like thomas crook, sort of in a
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- Sort of a,
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- Inferior position, if you get my drift.
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- So, so there's that.
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- And then the other stuff he had on this
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- Deviant art platform was violent.
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- It was cartoon characters shooting each other,
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- And they'd, you know, killing each other.
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- So, i mean, that's all very strange.
- 00:17:36.818 --> 00:17:39.187
- All of his, utterances that are on youtube and so on,
- 00:17:39.187 --> 00:17:43.324
- Increasingly very weird that he flips from
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- Being very pro-trump and anti democrat, particularly
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- Anti, you know, the squad ilhan omar and so, so on.
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- And then he flips in the matter of a couple of months
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- In january 2022.
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- The opposite doesn't 180.
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- And now he's very anti trump.
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- Critical of trump supporters and starts escalating
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- Into this assassination rhetoric.
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- There was a congressional report released in december
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- 2024 that the did not include
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- A lot of this, social media activity.
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- Do we know why that this was not mentioned
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- In that congressional report in december of 2024?
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- You know, that's a really good point, because,
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- This was something that really disturbed my source
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- And set him to continue to investigate it
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- And also try to get this into the hands of people
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- Who would do something about it.
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- He's very concerned that,
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- The public doesn't know why the assassination
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- Attempt happened and that it could escalate.
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- And, you know, if, i mean, we're told
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- By the fbi currently that crooks acted alone.
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- This is what kash patel has said,
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- Just in a tweet online where he, ran through
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- All the inputs that the fbi put into the investigation,
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- Which i think is, frankly, quite meaningless.
- 00:19:12.013 --> 00:19:14.182
- You know, we followed up
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- 14,000 tips or we, you know, did 10,000 interviews.
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- Whatever they did, he had all the metrics.
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- But, you know, that's the inputs.
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- What's the outputs?
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- What did what came of all that effort.
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- And all he does at the end is this concludes
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- That we've concluded that he acted alone.
- 00:19:28.863 --> 00:19:31.799
- So my source just thinks there's something more to this.
- 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:35.603
- And, so therefore he pursued it.
- 00:19:35.603 --> 00:19:38.473
- And, the fact that that congressional report,
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- Had nothing about the online activity
- 00:19:41.843 --> 00:19:45.280
- Would be because the fbi didn't share that with them.
- 00:19:45.280 --> 00:19:48.950
- The only, sort of time
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- That i guess the fbi under christopher wray,
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- Just in the two weeks after the butler, events,
- 00:19:56.190 --> 00:20:01.129
- Christopher wray a week later testified to congress.
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- He said, there's no,
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- We've searched our database and there's nothing about
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- Thomas crookes before. butler.
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- Right.
- 00:20:13.241 --> 00:20:14.008
- Very carefully that he said that.
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- Now, i asked the fbi when i was doing this story last week,
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- A number of questions.
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- And the most important one, i think, was.
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- Did you have any contact with thomas crookes to the fbi?
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- Have any contact with thomas crookes before butler?
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- Did anyone, you know, report him to the fbi?
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- Did you pay him a visit?
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- Did you knock on his door?
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- Did you were you aware of his online activity?
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- Is does he appear anywhere?
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- And all i got back was no comment from the fbi.
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- And, you know,
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- They've not been forthcoming with congress.
- 00:20:49.010 --> 00:20:52.246
- Senator ron johnson has been really angry about this
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- And angry about the fact that even the trump fbi,
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- 12 months after butler in july of this year,
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- Has not complied with his oversight requests.
- 00:21:04.959 --> 00:21:08.796
- He wants camera footage, he wants documents,
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- He wants forensics, autopsy, etc..
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- And he's just he says he's been stonewalled by the fbi
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- And the secret service, and i don't understand why that is.
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- If it's as clear and simple as kash patel is telling us
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- That, you know, just this lone gunman acting alone, etc.,
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- Why be secretive about his online activity?
- 00:21:32.653 --> 00:21:36.290
- Why did deputy director paul abate,
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- Who was raised
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- Deputy director at the fbi, why did he testify to congress
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- Two weeks after butler and say only half the story?
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- He described thomas crooks
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- Online activity leading up to when he flipped
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- And became anti-trump when he was anti-semitic
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- And, sort of expressing sort of far right views.
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- But paul abbate didn't tell congress.
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- And i think this is lying
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- By a mission that in january of 2020,
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- This kid slipped and became rabidly anti-trump
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- And started then with his, violent assassination rhetoric.
- 00:22:15.296 --> 00:22:19.333
- Why did pull back leave that out?
- 00:22:19.333 --> 00:22:21.569
- That was deliberate, misleading of congress.
- 00:22:21.569 --> 00:22:24.572
- And the question is why?
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- And why does kash patel not be more forthcoming?
- 00:22:27.175 --> 00:22:31.646
- And look, the president is not satisfied.
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- His family is not satisfied.
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- So i don't it something doesn't add up here.
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- Miranda devine, new york post author of the big guy.
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