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- President trump is in china
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- On a much celebrated trip to meet with president xi.
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- He was greeted with a red carpet.
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- We talked about it yesterday.
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- More and more pomp, more circum stance, more celebrations,
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- Lots of, i would say, shows of welcoming.
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- However, underneath the surface
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- It appears that the faultlines between these two nations
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- Are becoming more and more clear.
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- There was a lot of speculation before this trip to china.
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- What would be the central fissures
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- Or fractures between the two countries?
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- We understood that there's the iranian war.
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- The us wants to lean on china, to pressure
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- Iran to open the strait, to give up its uranium.
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- But what would the chinese expect in return?
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- Obviously, there's also they're calling
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- This, by the way, the boeing, the,
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- It's the three bs, the boeing, the beans and the, i'm
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- Forgetting one of the other big wigs.
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- Yeah.
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- So probably something like that.
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- Oh, beef.
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- Boeing beef and beans.
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- Anyways, so
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- There's a lot of trade issues that need to be ironed out.
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- Tariffs.
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- There's the fentanyl precursors that are flowing from china
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- To parts of the world where they make fentanyl
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- And try and pour it into our borders.
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- President trump has done a great job limiting
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- The incoming fentanyl to the united states,
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- But it still remains an ongoing issue.
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- So what are the big fault lines?
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- What's becoming more clear that
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- Turns out
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- Taiwan is top of mind for the ccp,
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- And ji is offering a warning on taiwan
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- As he and, president trump strike a positive note.
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- But underlying this, it's very negative.
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- Now, what is the two sicilies through these cities?
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- This is i almost got it through city traps.
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- I read insidious, it's an ancient reference
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- To the peloponnesian wars in ancient greece.
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- And blake, being our resident historian,
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- Is going to break it down.
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- But it was a term coined by, harvard academics.
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- Yeah.
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- Graham allison in about 2011, but it's a lot older than that.
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- It's a lot older than that.
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- But but here's what's interesting.
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- China has been referencing it, blake, since as early as 2014.
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- Yes. well, so china at china at least does read
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- Western history, western thought,
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- A lot of their leaders are certainly more educated
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- In our history than most of us are in chinese history,
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- Which is common around the world.
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- I was coming around the world, but it is revealing china has.
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- But we should just be frank.
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- China is authoritarian, but it does mean
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- Most people who rise to the top are very smart
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- In a way that doesn't always happen in the us,
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- With, us appointing people to things and all all of that.
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- But, the city is trap. so that's
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- A reference to ancient greek historian thucydides.
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- If you've heard of him at all, you maybe picked him up
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- In a college course about political science.
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- He wrote.
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- He wrote not the first historical text,
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- But probably the first one that some more first one on on
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- That's really scholarly, that reads like an academic history
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- You might read today.
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- And he wrote it about the peloponnesian war.
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- It's a war
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- Between ancient greece, the city of athens and sparta.
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- If you've seen the movie 300, it's those guys,
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- And they fought a war for dominance of greece.
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- And the reason we have a thing called the city.
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- City is trapped in his history.
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- Thucydides theorizes that the cause of the war
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- Was that athens was becoming more and more powerful.
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- It was becoming the most powerful city in greece.
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- And so sparta feared this.
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- And so they declared war to stop athens
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- Before they became too powerful.
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- And they were successful. they actually won that war.
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- Now, the idea is that this is that this recurs
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- Throughout history.
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- And our biggest, most cataclysmic wars
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- Are between a rising power
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- And then the power that they are threatening to supplant,
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- Which is the kind of them, the ruling power that
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- Is frightened into acting before it is too late.
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- And so if you want a classic
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- Example of this, the one people point to is world war one.
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- World war one was germany as leader
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- Of the central powers, and they fought,
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- Against france, russia and most notably, britain.
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- Britain was the most powerful country in the world.
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- They had the biggest empire.
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- And the idea is britain was afraid of germany
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- Because germany was getting colonies.
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- Germany had was getting a bigger economy.
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- Germany was building a giant navy
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- That could threaten the royal navy.
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- And so in germany and britain at this
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- Time, they actually had a big fear.
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- One of the most popular genres of literature was invasion
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- Literature, where germany or a country
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- That resembles germany
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- But won't be called germany, they invade britain. they were.
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- This is this is like the romantic chick lit of the day.
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- Because if they are all reading these books
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- About germany invading britain, they were afraid of them.
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- And so they ended up getting dragged into a war
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- With germany.
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- And tens of, you know, over 10 million people died.
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- Similarly, the idea is when we fight japan in world
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- War ii, two part of this was motivated
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- That japan was becoming more and more powerful.
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- So fdr and the u.s.
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- Were taking steps to contain japan.
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- Don't let them take over china.
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- Don't let them spread in other places.
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- Japan feels that we're holding them down.
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- So they attack pearl harbor.
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- We get that war.
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- And there's other examples
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- Throughout history that we don't know.
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- If allison identified 16 times in history
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- That a rising power threatened to displace a ruling won.
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- And according to his tally, which is subjective,
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- 12 of the 16 rivalries end in kinetic conflict war.
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- In 2015, president xi did say
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- There is no such thing as the so-called do.
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- You just said he said it is sucedio
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- Who said eddie's do said it is trap in the world, said mr.
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- Gee. in 2015, before an audience that included,
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- Former secretary of state henry kissinger,
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- It was on his mind again.
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- I'm reading from the new york
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- Times on thursday, speaking before mr.
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- Trump in the great hall of the people, mr.
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- Xi said the world had reached a new crossroads.
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- Can china and the united states overcome this trap
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- And establish a new paradigm
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- For relations between great powers?
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- Now, i think it's more interesting
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- That china keeps referencing this,
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- As opposed to the united states guaranteed.
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- The united states actors here are very aware of this dynamic,
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- But it's a it's a a soft flex because they're basically 100%
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- Saying that we are now on par or in route.
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- They are saying, yeah, china's 100%
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- When they say this and can we avoid it?
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- They are saying 100%.
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- China's rising and is poised to overtake the united states.
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- Can we allow this to happen peacefully
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- Without the united states declaring war on us?
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- That is what china is saying when they say that.
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- Now, to be clear, there is leverage points
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- On the united states side here that china is very reliant
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- In many ways on energy flowing through the strait of hormuz.
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- Now they're the biggest buyer of iran's energy.
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- So you could say iran is more reliant on china
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- Than china is on iran. i certainly think that's true.
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- But after you take venezuela and iran's energy
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- Off the board, it does put pressures on china.
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- Now, china also has weak domestic demand.
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- When you think about their economy,
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- They are an export driven economy.
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- If you make energy and production of goods more
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- Expensive for china in general, it will drive up costs.
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- It will hurt their economy.
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- And they seem to be probably, in the midst of a sluggish,
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- I think you could safely say, a sluggish economic situation.
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- Right now, there's differing accounts of how sluggish
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- That is, how endangered their economy is.
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- But they do seem to be putting specific pressure on taiwan.
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- They want to exert maximal effort, influence
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- And control over taiwan.
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- And as you said before the show,
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- They believe that taiwan is theirs by right, 100%.
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- They think it is on par as if someone had joint
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- Maine or washington
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- Or hawaii off of us, and they want it back.
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- We'll explain that more.
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- And what the consequences are in china next, especially
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- With taiwan.
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- With taiwan.
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- All right taiwan.
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- So a little history lesson on taiwan.
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- So in china views taiwan, as we've mentioned
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- Before, an inseparable part of their territory.
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- It's it calls it reunification.
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- So nationally that is the term that they use.
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- Even though taiwan does not ascribe
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- To this china and xi, they see it as reunifying
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- Taiwan to the nation, of china.
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- Well, taiwan does ascribe to the
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- You know what taiwan's actual official name is, right?
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- Yes, i do,
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- Actually, the republic of china has their, their claim is
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- They are the one got this trying to protect.
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- They claim more territory than
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- The people's republic does, i think.
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- I think the republic of china may have.
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- I might be wrong here, but i believe
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- They've never recognized the independence of mongolia.
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- So they still claim mongolia as, as part of super china,
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- Which it was part of china way back in the day.
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- Well, beijing has never ruled taiwan,
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- So that's first thing we need to say.
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- They claim it. people.
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- They they claim it as a breakaway province.
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- Since the chinese civil war ended in 1949
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- When the nationalist government retreated there.
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- So that's kind of the point you're making.
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- So that nationalist government retreated to taiwan.
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- They set up shop in taiwan.
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- That's why they claim
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- To be the legitimate power over the mainland of china.
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- And i guess to your point, even more territory than that.
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- The ccp claims for itself.
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- But nevertheless,
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- There's a lot of things that are going on there.
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- It's obviously historical and ideological.
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- It's military.
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- It's a strategic military outpost,
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- Because it sits as the first island chain.
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- It would allow china
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- To project its strength out into the pacific,
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- Which would complicate matters for the u.s, obviously,
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- And some of our allies, like the philippines and japan,
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- It would secure china's eastern flank, if
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- You will, out into the pacific.
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- So but there's also what we talked about, economic
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- And technological matters to be considered as well.
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- Taiwan is the global leader in semiconductors.
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- Tsmc produces approximately
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- 90% of the world's advanced most advanced chips.
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- It's really a huge, complicated year
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- Because we've supported taiwan for 80 years at this point,
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- We've backed up their government against china.
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- But it was most for most of that time,
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- A lot of that period, taiwan was not that wealthy,
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- Or at least it was just wealthy in the same way japan was.
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- And so we supported them for sentimental reasons,
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- For anti-communist reasons.
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- But now, now, over the past 30, 40 years, they have become
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- The most important choke
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- Point of the world's most important technology,
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- Which when we say semiconductor is that is microchips.
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- That is the stuff
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- That goes into the chips that you put in your computer,
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- That you put in.
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- It's driving ai, it's driving,
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- It's the stuff you put in missiles
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- To make sure they work correctly.
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- It is the most important technology in the world
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- And the most advanced fabricators
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- That make the best chips, the fastest are in taiwan
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- And china would love to have them,
- 00:11:18.603 --> 00:11:20.571
- But they'd also love to have taiwan
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- For the reasons we mentioned.
- 00:11:22.073 --> 00:11:23.274
- It was a part of china back when they were
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- An imperial monarchy.
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- They lost it as part of the civil war.
- 00:11:27.845 --> 00:11:30.047
- They it is hard for us to grasp
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- How psychologically important it is to the chinese.
- 00:11:33.918 --> 00:11:37.221
- You grow up learning about this as the rightful
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- Chinese province.
- 00:11:40.224 --> 00:11:41.125
- That was snatched away
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- By these pawns of the west, and they want to keep us apart.
- 00:11:43.194 --> 00:11:46.831
- That's that's the narrative they're told.
- 00:11:46.831 --> 00:11:48.299
- And there's self-interested reasons for them to push that.
- 00:11:48.299 --> 00:11:51.235
- But that doesn't mean they don't really believe it.
- 00:11:51.235 --> 00:11:54.806
- It's safe to say that taiwan, from a tech talent standpoint,
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- And obviously this
- 00:11:59.544 --> 00:12:01.279
- Hmc, which produces 90% of the world's most advanced chips,
- 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:04.749
- Makes taiwan a an incredibly
- 00:12:04.749 --> 00:12:08.219
- Important chess piece on the board of geopolitics.
- 00:12:08.219 --> 00:12:12.089
- And i think it's also important to understand that
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- What makes taiwan so powerful in this respect.
- 00:12:15.927 --> 00:12:19.330
- Yeah.
- 00:12:19.564 --> 00:12:20.498
- And you'll see there, there's, us clears
- 00:12:20.498 --> 00:12:21.833
- 200 chip sales to ten china firms.
- 00:12:21.833 --> 00:12:24.402
- And this is, a big part of the storyline here.
- 00:12:24.402 --> 00:12:26.571
- Nvidia's, chief ceo jensen is.
- 00:12:26.571 --> 00:12:29.774
- They picked him up in alaska, on in route to china.
- 00:12:29.774 --> 00:12:33.411
- So they picked him up there and he's flying with them.
- 00:12:33.411 --> 00:12:35.713
- He's looking to secure these big deals.
- 00:12:35.713 --> 00:12:37.281
- I don't love this candidly, because president trump
- 00:12:37.281 --> 00:12:39.784
- Is surrounding himself with people
- 00:12:39.784 --> 00:12:41.152
- That have self-interests in expanding the market in china.
- 00:12:41.152 --> 00:12:44.722
- President trump is big, acting as their chief
- 00:12:44.722 --> 00:12:48.392
- Salesman and trying to open up markets for the us firms.
- 00:12:48.392 --> 00:12:51.863
- Obviously that's important because we opened up the china,
- 00:12:51.863 --> 00:12:54.866
- The us market to china for 25 years
- 00:12:54.866 --> 00:12:57.134
- And got absolutely ravaged by it. okay.
- 00:12:57.134 --> 00:12:59.270
- We got our industrial base hollowed out.
- 00:12:59.270 --> 00:13:01.239
- What did we get for it?
- 00:13:01.239 --> 00:13:02.340
- We got a bunch of cheap goods, plastic, rubber, crap
- 00:13:02.340 --> 00:13:04.942
- That ends up in the, in the trash, in the waste bin.
- 00:13:04.942 --> 00:13:08.846
- So we don't we got to open up china for sure,
- 00:13:08.846 --> 00:13:11.983
- But there's so many strings attached that i don't love it.
- 00:13:11.983 --> 00:13:14.552
- And one of them is that you got people like nvidia
- 00:13:14.552 --> 00:13:17.355
- Ceo who has self in china.
- 00:13:17.355 --> 00:13:20.191
- Now the 200 is the second gen.
- 00:13:20.191 --> 00:13:22.560
- It's an older chip that also might be,
- 00:13:22.560 --> 00:13:25.696
- A slightly degraded version of it.
- 00:13:25.696 --> 00:13:28.599
- So you get them hooked on our chips
- 00:13:28.599 --> 00:13:30.301
- So that they don't produce their own
- 00:13:30.301 --> 00:13:31.702
- Or don't get more
- 00:13:31.702 --> 00:13:32.770
- Incentivized to invade taiwan and take it over.
- 00:13:32.770 --> 00:13:35.206
- Now, the, the you know, we have a tsmc,
- 00:13:35.206 --> 00:13:39.210
- Production facility, a chipmaking facility here
- 00:13:39.210 --> 00:13:42.046
- In arizona that was built, this massive, massive thing.
- 00:13:42.046 --> 00:13:45.116
- If you drive out to lake pleasant, you'll see it
- 00:13:45.116 --> 00:13:47.218
- Out in the distance.
- 00:13:47.218 --> 00:13:48.419
- But what i've been told by people in the space is that,
- 00:13:48.419 --> 00:13:52.490
- Yeah, we can build the facility here,
- 00:13:52.490 --> 00:13:54.258
- But we don't have the tech talent.
- 00:13:54.258 --> 00:13:55.626
- We don't have the same type of people.
- 00:13:55.626 --> 00:13:57.895
- There's something unique about taiwanese people
- 00:13:57.895 --> 00:14:00.798
- That seem to be uniquely gifted at making these chips.
- 00:14:00.798 --> 00:14:03.401
- They don't have social lives. they don't take time off.
- 00:14:03.401 --> 00:14:06.003
- You know, they just make chips all day long.
- 00:14:06.003 --> 00:14:08.940
- And it's hard to replicate that type of technology
- 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:11.742
- In that production capacity
- 00:14:11.742 --> 00:14:13.911
- Domestically here in the united states.
- 00:14:13.911 --> 00:14:15.279
- So while we do have some chip making abilities
- 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.115
- In the united states, it doesn't match taiwan's.
- 00:14:18.115 --> 00:14:20.751
- Taiwan's has the top, top chips. okay.
- 00:14:20.751 --> 00:14:23.354
- So now it complicates everything,
- 00:14:23.354 --> 00:14:25.356
- Which now it makes a lot of sense
- 00:14:25.356 --> 00:14:27.358
- Why china
- 00:14:27.358 --> 00:14:28.559
- Is putting maximal pressure on this particular fault line.
- 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.529
- So here's the big six.
- 00:14:31.529 --> 00:14:32.763
- We'll boil it down for you.
- 00:14:32.763 --> 00:14:34.732
- Just like this,
- 00:14:34.732 --> 00:14:35.566
- China is probably willing to help us with iran
- 00:14:36.534 --> 00:14:39.503
- If we're willing to change our diplomatic posture to taiwan.
- 00:14:39.503 --> 00:14:43.574
- And i don't think we're willing or ready to do that just yet.
- 00:14:43.574 --> 00:14:47.411
- Lots of high stakes poker going on in china.
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- We're going to keep our eye on it.
- 00:14:49.914 --> 00:14:50.915
- Rich bears joins us next.
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- Rich bears joins us next.
- 00:14:55.005 --> 00:14:59.791
- Joining us now is rich barris big data poll.
- 00:15:00.692 --> 00:15:03.662
- And he's the author of a
- 00:15:03.662 --> 00:15:05.163
- New book, by the way, called burn it down.
- 00:15:05.163 --> 00:15:08.700
- What the polls say young americans really want.
- 00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:11.870
- Welcome back to the show, rich.
- 00:15:11.870 --> 00:15:14.306
- Oh, pull of a book.
- 00:15:14.306 --> 00:15:15.941
- Shout out, brother. thanks for that.
- 00:15:15.941 --> 00:15:17.642
- I appreciate it, and thanks for having me.
- 00:15:17.642 --> 00:15:19.311
- As always, people definitely should go out
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- And buy that book.
- 00:15:21.413 --> 00:15:22.381
- Andrew, i you know, i was inspired to to,
- 00:15:22.381 --> 00:15:25.083
- You know, promo your book rich because i just saw your tweet
- 00:15:25.083 --> 00:15:27.686
- Where you're you talking about books on china and war
- 00:15:27.686 --> 00:15:30.856
- And conflict that people should be reviewing.
- 00:15:30.856 --> 00:15:33.892
- It almost looked like
- 00:15:33.892 --> 00:15:34.993
- You were attacking me, but i know better, than that.
- 00:15:34.993 --> 00:15:37.462
- Rich, we're just to have you on the show.
- 00:15:37.462 --> 00:15:39.998
- I knew you fired it off quickly,
- 00:15:39.998 --> 00:15:41.533
- But you're absolutely right.
- 00:15:41.533 --> 00:15:42.701
- People need to get educated on the the history of war.
- 00:15:42.701 --> 00:15:45.470
- I'm going to play this clip because i haven't, this is,
- 00:15:45.470 --> 00:15:48.273
- G on the cdc's trap 19.
- 00:15:48.273 --> 00:15:52.377
- The whole world is watching our meeting.
- 00:15:52.377 --> 00:15:57.983
- Currently, transformation not seen in
- 00:15:58.784 --> 00:16:01.186
- A century is accelerating across the globe.
- 00:16:01.186 --> 00:16:04.423
- And the international situation is fluid and turbulent.
- 00:16:04.423 --> 00:16:08.360
- The world has come to a new crossroads.
- 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.263
- Can china and the united states overcome
- 00:16:11.263 --> 00:16:14.132
- The thucydides trap
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- And create
- 00:16:17.869 --> 00:16:19.071
- A new paradigm of major country relations
- 00:16:19.071 --> 00:16:22.741
- In the world?
- 00:16:23.108 --> 00:16:24.276
- Can we meet global challenges together
- 00:16:24.276 --> 00:16:27.212
- And provide more stability for the world?
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- All right.
- 00:16:30.082 --> 00:16:30.649
- So, rich, what's your
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- What's your take on what you're watching?
- 00:16:31.950 --> 00:16:34.419
- Well, i about fell out when i heard that,
- 00:16:34.419 --> 00:16:37.155
- That's not good to hear that.
- 00:16:37.155 --> 00:16:38.824
- And for people who don't know what it is,
- 00:16:38.824 --> 00:16:40.325
- Graham allison popularized the term
- 00:16:40.325 --> 00:16:42.427
- The the thucydides trap.
- 00:16:42.427 --> 00:16:44.696
- I actually on that tweet that you were just referencing,
- 00:16:44.696 --> 00:16:47.032
- I actually told
- 00:16:47.032 --> 00:16:48.166
- People to read the origins of, the origins of major war
- 00:16:48.166 --> 00:16:51.303
- By dale copeland, who, wrote before, graham did.
- 00:16:51.303 --> 00:16:55.640
- But the bottom line is it speaks to an emerging power.
- 00:16:55.640 --> 00:16:59.077
- The education
- 00:16:59.077 --> 00:17:00.278
- In the international system when an emerging power rises
- 00:17:00.278 --> 00:17:03.982
- To, replace and displace the existing hegemon.
- 00:17:03.982 --> 00:17:08.987
- And graham looked at 16
- 00:17:08.987 --> 00:17:10.322
- Case studies, copeland looks at, more modern
- 00:17:10.322 --> 00:17:13.058
- Liberal nation state, which is interesting as well,
- 00:17:13.058 --> 00:17:16.761
- But it usually leads to great power, conflict.
- 00:17:16.761 --> 00:17:19.865
- And for xi jinping to say that out loud is bad,
- 00:17:19.865 --> 00:17:25.003
- It's not good because for many, many years,
- 00:17:25.003 --> 00:17:27.639
- The chinese have always tried to tell the united states,
- 00:17:27.639 --> 00:17:30.375
- We're actually not going to do that.
- 00:17:30.375 --> 00:17:32.344
- We don't we're not interested in that.
- 00:17:32.344 --> 00:17:34.146
- And this time, what he said is this is on you.
- 00:17:34.146 --> 00:17:37.282
- You know, the current situation
- 00:17:37.282 --> 00:17:39.251
- That we're in right now.
- 00:17:39.251 --> 00:17:40.418
- He said, can the u.s.
- 00:17:40.418 --> 00:17:42.154
- Avoid this new, the trap guys?
- 00:17:42.154 --> 00:17:44.923
- That's a reference to the peloponnesian war.
- 00:17:44.923 --> 00:17:47.058
- This is just it's exactly.
- 00:17:47.058 --> 00:17:48.994
- If you're an international relations theorist,
- 00:17:48.994 --> 00:17:51.062
- It's exactly what you have not wanted
- 00:17:51.062 --> 00:17:52.864
- To hear for many, many years, nir chalmers written about it.
- 00:17:52.864 --> 00:17:56.701
- Each car is another one.
- 00:17:56.701 --> 00:17:58.236
- I, i told people to go read.
- 00:17:58.236 --> 00:18:00.305
- I mean, i'm over your pitch
- 00:18:00.305 --> 00:18:01.339
- Pitching other books except for my own. right.
- 00:18:01.339 --> 00:18:02.674
- But it's true.
- 00:18:02.674 --> 00:18:03.675
- You have to get you have to understand
- 00:18:03.675 --> 00:18:05.443
- Why what just came out his mouth is so important.
- 00:18:05.443 --> 00:18:08.547
- And realists who have been right for the last 25,
- 00:18:08.547 --> 00:18:11.750
- 30 years, more, since the end of history.
- 00:18:11.750 --> 00:18:15.020
- They, you know, they're taking victory laps,
- 00:18:15.020 --> 00:18:17.889
- You know, one after the other recently.
- 00:18:17.889 --> 00:18:19.624
- So to hear xi jinping say, this is is bad,
- 00:18:19.624 --> 00:18:23.395
- It's very bad news.
- 00:18:23.395 --> 00:18:24.763
- This is sort of an opening act.
- 00:18:24.763 --> 00:18:26.631
- All right, everybody, just hold their horses.
- 00:18:26.631 --> 00:18:28.767
- Let this process play out.
- 00:18:28.767 --> 00:18:30.435
- Let me just play this clip because this
- 00:18:30.435 --> 00:18:32.370
- Happened last night, and i actually tweeted it.
- 00:18:32.370 --> 00:18:35.106
- And, you know, i've all that. yeah.
- 00:18:35.106 --> 00:18:37.409
- So here we go. i'll i'll play it.
- 00:18:37.409 --> 00:18:39.244
- This is,
- 00:18:39.244 --> 00:18:40.445
- It was a breaking news story last night on jesse waters.
- 00:18:40.445 --> 00:18:42.714
- He's since deleted it. sot 20.
- 00:18:42.714 --> 00:18:45.350
- The cia just raided tulsi gabbard office.
- 00:18:45.350 --> 00:18:49.254
- Agents hauled out dozens of boxes, files on the jfk
- 00:18:49.254 --> 00:18:53.124
- Assassination and mkultra, the cia mind control operation,
- 00:18:53.124 --> 00:18:57.762
- Which she was in the process of declassifying.
- 00:18:57.762 --> 00:19:00.265
- Here's a new statement from dni spokesman
- 00:19:00.265 --> 00:19:03.001
- Spokeswoman olivia coleman said, this is false.
- 00:19:03.001 --> 00:19:06.137
- The cia did not raid dni office.
- 00:19:06.137 --> 00:19:09.407
- And then essentially, a lot of this originated
- 00:19:09.407 --> 00:19:13.044
- With, congresswoman on a plane,
- 00:19:13.044 --> 00:19:15.780
- A luna, who was scheduled to come on the show today
- 00:19:15.780 --> 00:19:18.183
- But then had to cancel because she is actually at the cia.
- 00:19:18.183 --> 00:19:22.020
- I guess she's meeting with, the cia currently.
- 00:19:22.020 --> 00:19:24.422
- She's tweeted that out. that's public.
- 00:19:24.422 --> 00:19:26.191
- So the point is, she had gone on with katie
- 00:19:26.191 --> 00:19:28.760
- Pavelich on newsnation talking about this,
- 00:19:28.760 --> 00:19:31.563
- Not not raid, now that we're told.
- 00:19:31.563 --> 00:19:34.332
- And actually,
- 00:19:34.332 --> 00:19:35.467
- It sounds like the cia took these boxes a while ago.
- 00:19:35.467 --> 00:19:38.903
- It was not a raid.
- 00:19:38.903 --> 00:19:39.904
- The dni sort of oversees all the intel agencies
- 00:19:39.904 --> 00:19:42.674
- So that it none of it made sense.
- 00:19:42.674 --> 00:19:44.609
- Actually, when you kind of break it,
- 00:19:44.609 --> 00:19:46.011
- Since you could just tell them to not do that.
- 00:19:46.011 --> 00:19:48.346
- And in theory, she could just.
- 00:19:48.346 --> 00:19:49.748
- Yeah.
- 00:19:49.748 --> 00:19:50.615
- Tulsi gabbard should have just been
- 00:19:50.615 --> 00:19:51.549
- Able to say you can't take these boxes.
- 00:19:51.549 --> 00:19:52.684
- So something else obviously was going on.
- 00:19:52.684 --> 00:19:55.186
- I'm being told this didn't happen the way that
- 00:19:55.186 --> 00:19:58.890
- It was originally reported.
- 00:19:58.890 --> 00:20:00.191
- And as i mentioned, jesse waters has taken down
- 00:20:00.191 --> 00:20:03.128
- His, shows tweet, and i think he just got out over his skis.
- 00:20:03.128 --> 00:20:08.099
- This does seem related to some of the testimony
- 00:20:08.099 --> 00:20:10.402
- That we heard yesterday regarding anthony fauci.
- 00:20:10.402 --> 00:20:13.638
- I think the cia is not happy
- 00:20:13.638 --> 00:20:15.173
- About this quote unquote whistleblower.
- 00:20:15.173 --> 00:20:17.142
- There's a lot of disagreement about the nature of this person
- 00:20:17.142 --> 00:20:20.011
- Who testified. rich, tell us what you know.
- 00:20:20.011 --> 00:20:22.981
- Look, here's what i know, all right?
- 00:20:23.748 --> 00:20:25.950
- Outside of what you just said,
- 00:20:25.950 --> 00:20:27.452
- Which is the same thing i'm hearing, however.
- 00:20:27.452 --> 00:20:29.788
- And you know what bothers me?
- 00:20:29.788 --> 00:20:31.589
- You know, like, with the cia, there's always this, like,
- 00:20:31.589 --> 00:20:34.959
- Little caveat in the back of my mind,
- 00:20:34.959 --> 00:20:37.629
- Because there have been these identical stories
- 00:20:37.629 --> 00:20:40.498
- And they have played out very similar in the past,
- 00:20:40.498 --> 00:20:43.968
- Only to later
- 00:20:43.968 --> 00:20:45.036
- Find out that everybody kind of circle the wagons
- 00:20:45.036 --> 00:20:47.539
- And came together and said, oh, well,
- 00:20:47.539 --> 00:20:49.174
- It's not really like that.
- 00:20:49.174 --> 00:20:50.675
- But then it was right.
- 00:20:50.675 --> 00:20:52.277
- So i, you know, i'm always, you know, something's going
- 00:20:52.277 --> 00:20:56.047
- On, something's gotta do, something's going on.
- 00:20:56.047 --> 00:20:59.117
- They went and took these mkultra boxes
- 00:20:59.117 --> 00:21:01.219
- And the jfk assassination files.
- 00:21:01.219 --> 00:21:03.855
- This should all just be released.
- 00:21:03.855 --> 00:21:06.257
- We should blindly.
- 00:21:06.257 --> 00:21:07.225
- President trump has ordered it to be released.
- 00:21:07.225 --> 00:21:08.993
- So what is the delay?
- 00:21:08.993 --> 00:21:10.328
- I completely agree,
- 00:21:10.328 --> 00:21:12.097
- But there's obviously some sort of disagreement.
- 00:21:12.097 --> 00:21:14.265
- And everybody's saying, whoa whoa whoa whoa
- 00:21:14.265 --> 00:21:15.633
- Whoa, let's not
- 00:21:15.633 --> 00:21:16.801
- Blow this up into some huge major national news story.
- 00:21:16.801 --> 00:21:19.270
- It's a little too late for that
- 00:21:19.270 --> 00:21:21.106
- Because i agree with you, richard.
- 00:21:21.106 --> 00:21:23.241
- Something weird.
- 00:21:23.241 --> 00:21:24.309
- Is that something in your country is secret
- 00:21:24.309 --> 00:21:26.711
- For more than 60 years and they can't release it.
- 00:21:26.711 --> 00:21:28.580
- You don't live in a normal democracy.
- 00:21:28.580 --> 00:21:30.882
- The cia has done this before.
- 00:21:30.882 --> 00:21:32.317
- They didn't kick in dianne feinstein's office door either,
- 00:21:32.317 --> 00:21:35.920
- But we found out later that they did break in
- 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.323
- And take a bunch of stuff that was related to her
- 00:21:38.323 --> 00:21:40.191
- Investigation into torture or enhanced interrogation.
- 00:21:40.191 --> 00:21:42.894
- Right.
- 00:21:42.894 --> 00:21:43.461
- And so we've seen this,
- 00:21:43.461 --> 00:21:45.397
- I'm sure they weren't taken last night.
- 00:21:45.397 --> 00:21:47.232
- I'm sure they were taken the moment
- 00:21:47.232 --> 00:21:48.433
- Donald trump signed that order.
- 00:21:48.433 --> 00:21:49.801
- They got wind that he was going to sign that order.
- 00:21:49.801 --> 00:21:51.669
- I mean, this is what i suspect,
- 00:21:51.669 --> 00:21:53.071
- Like in the back of my mind, a suspect.
- 00:21:53.071 --> 00:21:54.739
- And here i often say that the republican women in congress
- 00:21:54.739 --> 00:21:58.376
- Have the bigger, you know, than, republican men.
- 00:21:58.376 --> 00:22:01.546
- They have the they have spine, they fight.
- 00:22:01.546 --> 00:22:03.748
- And i i'll be honest,
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- I trust, representative luna, i do i also trust dni.
- 00:22:04.849 --> 00:22:08.987
- Yeah, i do, but the problem is, luna's a representative.
- 00:22:08.987 --> 00:22:12.957
- Gabbard is the head of an intelligence.
- 00:22:12.957 --> 00:22:15.393
- And, you know, it's no secret
- 00:22:15.393 --> 00:22:17.228
- The people's pundit loves him some. gabbard.
- 00:22:17.228 --> 00:22:19.230
- All right,
- 00:22:19.230 --> 00:22:20.098
- So i'm not saying that she's, like,
- 00:22:20.098 --> 00:22:21.299
- Covering for anything here, but there is a
- 00:22:21.299 --> 00:22:22.801
- Bit of a song and dance, and she has to.
- 00:22:22.801 --> 00:22:24.636
- She has to play within the system that she exists.
- 00:22:24.636 --> 00:22:27.472
- That's right.
- 00:22:27.472 --> 00:22:27.906
- Yeah.
- 00:22:27.906 --> 00:22:29.174
- And she, she's coming through like, knock knock on the cia.
- 00:22:29.174 --> 00:22:31.409
- That's not going to be taken well,
- 00:22:31.409 --> 00:22:32.911
- And she's not going to be long for the dc world.
- 00:22:32.911 --> 00:22:35.513
- So she's got to play the game.
- 00:22:35.513 --> 00:22:36.915
- We understand that.
- 00:22:36.915 --> 00:22:38.283
- But something's going on here.
- 00:22:38.283 --> 00:22:39.617
- And just, one other point on the mkultra files.
- 00:22:39.617 --> 00:22:42.320
- Most of these were destroyed.
- 00:22:42.320 --> 00:22:43.888
- There's an estimated 15% of those files
- 00:22:43.888 --> 00:22:46.491
- That are still exist in existence.
- 00:22:46.491 --> 00:22:48.393
- This is what she, dni gabbard is tasked
- 00:22:48.393 --> 00:22:52.063
- With declassifying and obviously, mkultra was,
- 00:22:52.063 --> 00:22:56.434
- Brainwashing tactics that were experimented on by
- 00:22:56.434 --> 00:23:00.004
- The intel community, in san francisco
- 00:23:00.004 --> 00:23:03.541
- In villages in europe.
- 00:23:03.541 --> 00:23:05.176
- You know, where they they laced, the bakery with lsd.
- 00:23:05.176 --> 00:23:09.113
- I mean, it's all kinds of crazy stuff.
- 00:23:09.113 --> 00:23:11.149
- And, you know,
- 00:23:11.149 --> 00:23:11.916
- The american people do
- 00:23:11.916 --> 00:23:12.984
- Deserve to get clarity on what our intel operatives
- 00:23:12.984 --> 00:23:16.321
- Were actually doing.
- 00:23:16.321 --> 00:23:17.522
- So we want to see these things get declassified and released.
- 00:23:17.522 --> 00:23:20.191
- We support congresswoman luna's, efforts there
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- To to get them released.
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