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Charlie Kirk Today | Saagar Enjeti: February 16, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | February 16, 2026
- We want to start off today
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- With the nomination of jeremy karl in the senate. yes.
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- As the assistant secretary of state
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- For upstate for international organizations,
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- Also referred to as assistant secretary of state.
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- It's basically one of our guys goes to the un.
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- And if that sounds like an odd thing to focus on, it's
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- Not because one of our roles with the show,
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- One of the roles we have with turning point
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- Usa is we want to perpetuate charlie's legacy.
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- And one of the most immediate legacies he's had,
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- He has, is the people he fought to put in the administration
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- That he campaigned for. get.
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- These are some of my favorite people.
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- Give them a job in the administration.
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- So this is a clip from yesterday, senator
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- Chris murphy, let's play clip 550.
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- Mr.. carl, i think it's just heartbreaking,
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- That you have been nominated for this position
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- And that you've reached
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- A panel before the united states senate.
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- One of the things you have said
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- Is that anti-white discrimination
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- Is the most pervasive and politically
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- Salient form of racism today.
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- Certainly this is, my belief i'm not running away from that.
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- I think that while, of course,
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- All races in different contexts can be subject
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- To really severe discrimination,
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- That when we look at our legal structures,
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- White americans are often very disfavored
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- In overt ways, which is objectively true.
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- It's completely the stance of this show.
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- Yes. and in california right now, they're fighting
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- To change their law, to be explicit.
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- Oh, can we actually
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- Legally discriminated against white people?
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- It's it's too hard for us to do it,
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- You know, in in the shadows.
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- But in plenty of other states,
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- It is explicitly legal in our federal government.
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- They've been doing it for ages, and they've been throwing
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- Temper tantrums at the trump administration's attempts
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- To roll it back.
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- And he's highlighted that.
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- And for that,
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- They put him in the daca and just try to humiliate him.
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- Well they're calling him a white supremacist,
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- Which is it's funny because he's
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- And they're saying he's an and an anti-semite.
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- Yes anti-semitic.
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- Well jeremy carl grew up as a jew, which is hilarious.
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- You could show these image images.
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- Five 6561 so, this is senator rosen.
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- The jews love to see themselves as oppressed is what he said.
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- 561 a post-feminist world, america is one of falling
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- Fertility, rapid, rapidly rising out of wedlock births,
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- Religious collapse and an explosion of latchkey kids.
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- All true, all true, all 100% true.
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- And that's, shaheen.
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- Senator shaheen, i don't know what the heck the problem is.
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- It's like they think saying
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- The truth is somehow beyond the pale now.
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- And what's funny is. and we.
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- What's the clip with booker?
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- This is this is a fun one, actually. let's start here.
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- 562 i think this is, senator rosen.
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- 562 mr.
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- Khalil is infamous for deleting thousands of his past tweets,
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- But deleting tweets doesn't delete them.
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- They recorded podcast interviews,
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- Public speeches or editorials that he has done.
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- As many of my colleagues have and will point out, mr.
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- Karl's vile anti-semitic comments are very real.
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- Whether he or not he tried to erase them or excuse them.
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- Some may try to excuse mr.
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- Karl's remarks, claiming his words were taken
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- Out of context, that he never said them,
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- And that his own heritage protects him from criticism.
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- So let me be clear
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- Identity does not excuse anti-semitism.
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- Identity does not excuse racism.
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- Identity does not excuse hateful rhetoric.
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- Regardless of who says some words matter.
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- As my colleagues have said.
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- And she goes on for about two minutes.
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- And it's so disgusting to me
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- Because this is what they've fixated on.
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- They're going to say, this guy is an anti-semite,
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- So we can't appoint him to do president trump's
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- Work at the un. we're spoilers.
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- One of the main things we do at the u.n.,
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- As we actually have to constantly fend off
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- Resolutions that they do to basically attack two groups
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- They love passing resolutions at the un to attack israel,
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- And they love passing resolutions at the un to attack
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- Like settler countries, which always include america.
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- So they'll do these indigenous rights things, all of that.
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- And he's made it very clear he's going to pursue that
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- Agenda.
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- He obviously understands,
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- As charlie did, that a huge number of the attacks on
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- Israel are ultimately attacks on western civilization,
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- The attacks on white people like,
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- You know, through that coded lens.
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- And they fixate on him because he said things
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- Which charlie himself did better.
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- Basically, the constant fights over israel often
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- Derail american politics and are not a good thing.
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- That's what he said.
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- Yeah, no, jeremy karl is a completely mainstream
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- America first populist conservative guy.
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- There's nothing there's nothing that stand out
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- About jeremy in this, in this sort of ideological sense.
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- The only thing stand out about him
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- Is that he's
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- Going to be extremely effective in setting, right,
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- A lot of the wrongs of the sort of, you know,
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- Transatlantic sort of liberal hegemony.
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- Right. so here's here's one that i just love.
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- This clip with senator cory booker is just amazing.
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- And we're going to prove just how stupid
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- Senator cory booker is.
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- On the other side is.
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- 525 what do you mean when you say
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- That you believe
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- In the great replacement theory?
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- Senator, thank you for that question.
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- This refers to, the intentional
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- Demographic replacement of europeans in europe.
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- It was invented by, renaud camu, who was a french scholar.
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- You think there's an active effort to, quote
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- Unquote, replace americans right now?
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- Senator, i think the democratic party,
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- Through its immigration
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- Policies, has certainly shown signs of that.
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- And i don't understand that.
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- I, i don't understand this.
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- I don't understand that.
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- 563 here's the castro brothers great throwback.
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- Texas is a very, very republican state.
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- But some people say the demographics are changing
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- And the demographics alone will make that.
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- It won't be so.
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- So republican next time around,
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- In a couple
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- Of presidential cycles, you'll be on election night.
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- You'll be announcing that we're calling the 38
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- Electoral votes of texas for the democratic nominee
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- For president.
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- It's changing.
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- It's going to become a purple state
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- And then a blue state
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- Because of the demographics, because of the population
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- Growth of folks from outside of texas?
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- No, i think that's right.
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- But it's not going to happen on its own.
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- The demographics are changing,
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- But it's going to take a lot of work,
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- From democrats to lay the infrastructure for change.
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- So we're very busy working on that now.
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- Okay.
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- So the demographics are changing in texas.
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- That's how they plan to change texas.
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- Here's the truth.
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- Democrats have not won the white vote
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- In a national election yet,
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- And they're highly aware of it in generations.
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- So what do you make of that win with the
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- Historical american population.
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- So they have banked on bringing in a new population.
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- Yeah.
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- So what they don't even write about
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- Oh, the betrayal where they didn't do as well
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- With the hispanic vote in 2024 and like, oh, it's a betrayal
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- Because the plan might have gone awry and
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- They'll try to repeat it again.
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- That's part of what the biden operation was, is
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- If people are assimilating
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- Too quickly to not being democrats,
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- We might have to really flood the zone.
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- Let's let in 15 million people amnesty them.
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- That'll lock it in.
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- Well, and charlie believed in jeremy.
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- Carl.
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- Charlie fought to get jeremy carl into this administration.
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- And we will continue that mission.
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- Without, without
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- Flinching.
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- Mr. curtis. so don't try us.
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- We're going to have singer and jedi join us next.
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- We'll be right back.
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- We'll be right back.
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- All right, blake, why don't you, set us off here?
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- All righty. well, so we were going to do.
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- We have soccer.
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- Yeah. we have, all right, so we have soccer and jedi.
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- We've had him on a few times to talk about.
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- We talked about property taxes.
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- Definitely inspired a very strong reaction.
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- Yeah. we are.
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- We still have hate mail coming.
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- Oh, still that people will still send
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- That in, but no regrets.
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- But he's also been a very vocal person.
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- He was one of the ones,
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- I would say over the last few years,
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- One of the loudest voices against marijuana,
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- Which we also discussed with alex berenson yesterday.
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- He was really one of the other ones beating the drum.
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- He had a very viral tweet
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- Pointing out the sheer number of people who've gotten
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- Addicted to marijuana.
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- And then he's he's really getting vindicated because now
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- With the new york times
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- Coming out and some others admitting, actually the rush
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- To legalizing it and subsidizing it,
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- He gets to take a bow, putting it over one big mistake.
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- Sauger, are you there? yeah.
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- Take a little victory lap here for a second.
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- Thank you very much, gentlemen.
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- Look, it's not a victory lap.
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- Because a victory lap for me is a tragedy for our country.
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- We have, you know,
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- Millions, tens of millions, almost 5% of the us population,
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- A significant part of our adult population,
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- Which is using marijuana, high potency marijuana on a daily
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- Basis.
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- This is lobotomized a significant portion
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- Of our population.
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- It lowers iq, it lowers testosterone.
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- It's dangerous for pregnant women.
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- I mean, we could go down
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- So many of the list,
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- The number one pushback that i get and i will say,
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- Gentlemen, you may find this shocking.
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- I've, i have spoken about the most controversial issues
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- Of the time.
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- Ice, you know, blm and everything.
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- I have received hate mail many times.
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- Daylight savings, property tax.
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- As you said, nothing inspires more hatred for me personally
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- Than talking about the ills of marijuana
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- And in particular the one i hear
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- The most is about so-called medical benefits.
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- I need to remind everyone that a massive study just came out,
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- Not even three months ago.
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- Written up by the new york times by jama
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- Major medical journals.
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- That shows that all of the claims,
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- Almost all the claims on medical marijuana
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- Are completely fake.
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- And i think
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- That what something's very insidious and dangerous
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- About this drug is the worship of it by many of its users.
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- People who are alcoholics do not try to justify
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- Their alcohol use by saying that it's curing them.
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- It's a shameful activity
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- And frankly, i think it should be like it.
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- You need to drink every single day to function like you ever.
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- You have a real problem.
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- And i think that exactly the same thing of marijuana,
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- Except it's proponents will say that there's nothing
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- Wrong with that.
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- Our cultural norms around marijuana are encouraging high
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- Potency indulgence by huge segments of our population.
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- There is no proper regulation.
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- Unfortunately.
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- You know, a significant part of both bipartisan
- 00:10:30.092 --> 00:10:32.861
- America are being seduced by what is now big weed.
- 00:10:32.861 --> 00:10:36.832
- I mean, these people make big tobacco look like choirboys
- 00:10:36.832 --> 00:10:40.135
- With the way that they have been lobbying
- 00:10:40.135 --> 00:10:42.037
- Not only this administration, but others to get americans
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- As hooked on this drug
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- As possible,
- 00:10:47.242 --> 00:10:48.310
- And to keep out responsible voices who are warning
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- About its problems, just like alex berenson
- 00:10:51.113 --> 00:10:53.215
- Did with tell your children, which i highly recommend.
- 00:10:53.215 --> 00:10:55.350
- If you are a parent, you need to buy that book.
- 00:10:55.350 --> 00:10:57.419
- You need to read it.
- 00:10:57.419 --> 00:10:58.687
- You need to keep your kids away from this substance now saga.
- 00:10:58.687 --> 00:11:01.757
- So we agree with you, but we get a lot of emails.
- 00:11:01.757 --> 00:11:04.893
- We got several just yesterday,
- 00:11:04.893 --> 00:11:06.061
- Got a lot of hate from people, hate mail,
- 00:11:06.061 --> 00:11:07.562
- But also people we had the ones who said i got cancer
- 00:11:07.562 --> 00:11:11.433
- Or i have cancer and i take it and i think it helps with it.
- 00:11:11.433 --> 00:11:15.804
- A great deal.
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- Do you do
- 00:11:16.638 --> 00:11:17.506
- You think those stories are authentic
- 00:11:17.506 --> 00:11:18.340
- Or do you think they're confusing,
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- Maybe other medical effects with marijuana?
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- Yeah.
- 00:11:23.145 --> 00:11:24.412
- I mean, blake, as we've said, you know, the data is not data.
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- And the actual
- 00:11:26.248 --> 00:11:27.349
- Medical review of these claims does not hold scrutiny.
- 00:11:27.349 --> 00:11:31.052
- And by the way, you know, one of the biggest pushbacks
- 00:11:31.052 --> 00:11:33.088
- I get is like, why don't you talk about alcohol?
- 00:11:33.088 --> 00:11:34.656
- I don't drink alcohol.
- 00:11:34.656 --> 00:11:35.690
- I believe charlie stayed away from it as well.
- 00:11:35.690 --> 00:11:37.292
- I, i, you know, we all talked about that previously.
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- And,
- 00:11:40.061 --> 00:11:40.662
- You know,
- 00:11:40.662 --> 00:11:41.830
- I will happily talk about some of the dangers of that.
- 00:11:41.830 --> 00:11:44.132
- But again,
- 00:11:44.132 --> 00:11:45.333
- Alcoholics are not trying to justify their alcohol use.
- 00:11:45.333 --> 00:11:48.370
- You know, one of the things i've also warned about,
- 00:11:48.370 --> 00:11:50.138
- There was a more recent study, i believe
- 00:11:50.138 --> 00:11:51.940
- Is out of the state of ohio or michigan.
- 00:11:51.940 --> 00:11:53.642
- I need to go back and check.
- 00:11:53.642 --> 00:11:55.076
- But it did show
- 00:11:55.076 --> 00:11:56.077
- That a significant portion of driver deaths,
- 00:11:56.077 --> 00:11:58.313
- Whenever they checked their blood,
- 00:11:58.313 --> 00:11:59.915
- Had high levels of thc, such potent enough for them
- 00:11:59.915 --> 00:12:03.518
- To cause impairment in driving, people who,
- 00:12:03.518 --> 00:12:05.987
- You know, go after alcohol like to talk about correctly.
- 00:12:05.987 --> 00:12:08.523
- Dwi and impaired driving.
- 00:12:08.523 --> 00:12:10.425
- But everybody seems to ignore
- 00:12:10.425 --> 00:12:11.860
- That we have a significant enough
- 00:12:11.860 --> 00:12:13.361
- Cannabis crisis for people who are driving while high.
- 00:12:13.361 --> 00:12:16.398
- Nobody, nobody is paying attention to these.
- 00:12:16.398 --> 00:12:19.301
- So i would just say
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- To that person
- 00:12:20.035 --> 00:12:20.902
- The same way i talk to people,
- 00:12:20.902 --> 00:12:22.204
- Whenever i talk about the dangers of ssris,
- 00:12:22.204 --> 00:12:24.739
- It may have made you feel
- 00:12:24.739 --> 00:12:26.608
- As if it worked in that case, but in a longitude study,
- 00:12:26.608 --> 00:12:29.444
- We see that it does not hold even close to the same benefit,
- 00:12:29.444 --> 00:12:33.248
- Let's say, of things with not even near
- 00:12:33.248 --> 00:12:35.550
- The amount of danger like exercise and or diet.
- 00:12:35.550 --> 00:12:38.353
- So these claims, while we can, you know, take individually
- 00:12:38.353 --> 00:12:41.656
- When we study them
- 00:12:41.656 --> 00:12:42.624
- In the long term, we see that on the whole,
- 00:12:42.624 --> 00:12:45.427
- They do not hold up as promise and look like not to get loud.
- 00:12:45.427 --> 00:12:49.030
- But just yesterday, you know, as a joke,
- 00:12:49.030 --> 00:12:50.932
- I was tweeting about cannabis suppositories,
- 00:12:50.932 --> 00:12:53.535
- Which i did not know was a thing.
- 00:12:53.535 --> 00:12:55.503
- And, yeah. so that's that's a thing.
- 00:12:55.503 --> 00:12:57.672
- It's extremely high potent.
- 00:12:57.672 --> 00:12:59.474
- And, you know, the criticism i got is like,
- 00:12:59.474 --> 00:13:01.009
- You're making fun of cancer patients.
- 00:13:01.009 --> 00:13:03.011
- And i went to the website,
- 00:13:03.011 --> 00:13:04.279
- Which is selling these cannabis suppositories.
- 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:07.315
- And what's the very first thing?
- 00:13:07.315 --> 00:13:08.483
- And it says a discreet ways to use cannabis, right?
- 00:13:08.483 --> 00:13:11.453
- Like even the sellers are in on the joke,
- 00:13:11.453 --> 00:13:14.189
- Like they use medical marijuana as a claim
- 00:13:14.189 --> 00:13:17.792
- To try and give it some veneer of health,
- 00:13:17.792 --> 00:13:19.928
- When in reality, this is about addiction.
- 00:13:19.928 --> 00:13:22.731
- And it's a tragic story.
- 00:13:22.731 --> 00:13:24.532
- You know, marijuana is not a costless drug.
- 00:13:24.532 --> 00:13:27.402
- I highly recommend people,
- 00:13:27.402 --> 00:13:28.703
- You know, read our experiences, book
- 00:13:28.703 --> 00:13:30.171
- About psychosis, check out andrew huberman
- 00:13:30.171 --> 00:13:32.607
- Work, on the topic as well.
- 00:13:32.607 --> 00:13:34.342
- It's ruining your sleep.
- 00:13:34.342 --> 00:13:35.610
- If you're
- 00:13:35.610 --> 00:13:36.444
- If you're a young man in particular,
- 00:13:36.444 --> 00:13:37.779
- If you want to have a family, it's effect on testosterone,
- 00:13:37.779 --> 00:13:40.582
- On, your ability to have children.
- 00:13:40.582 --> 00:13:42.817
- People are not telling you the truth.
- 00:13:42.817 --> 00:13:44.286
- And then similarly, with a lot of pregnant
- 00:13:44.286 --> 00:13:46.288
- Women, every pregnant woman in america knows
- 00:13:46.288 --> 00:13:48.223
- You should stay away from alcohol.
- 00:13:48.223 --> 00:13:49.824
- Unfortunately, because of this medical worship
- 00:13:49.824 --> 00:13:52.127
- Culture around marijuana, they are using marijuana
- 00:13:52.127 --> 00:13:55.163
- In some cases for pain relief or others
- 00:13:55.163 --> 00:13:57.165
- Because they believe the propaganda of khosla says.
- 00:13:57.165 --> 00:13:59.768
- And it is already causing problems
- 00:13:59.768 --> 00:14:02.070
- For children in the womb, not to mention the explosion
- 00:14:02.070 --> 00:14:05.340
- Of something called
- 00:14:05.340 --> 00:14:06.508
- Cannabis hyperemesis syndrome, which you can all look up.
- 00:14:06.508 --> 00:14:09.010
- Skyrocketing is in effect, where you're just, like,
- 00:14:09.010 --> 00:14:11.913
- Significantly vomiting people, you know, children, teenagers
- 00:14:11.913 --> 00:14:16.117
- And others who are vaping this very high potency drug.
- 00:14:16.117 --> 00:14:18.553
- Ask any er doctor in your life, they will know exactly
- 00:14:18.553 --> 00:14:21.923
- What i am talking about.
- 00:14:21.923 --> 00:14:23.124
- This is a crisis. it's a full blown crisis.
- 00:14:23.124 --> 00:14:25.360
- The tragedy of, like, because we had that peak where.
- 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.463
- Oh, actually, marijuana is great.
- 00:14:28.463 --> 00:14:29.998
- And in fact, it has it has health benefits of anything.
- 00:14:29.998 --> 00:14:32.734
- I think, you know,
- 00:14:32.734 --> 00:14:33.835
- When we started to legalize it, it wasn't even just,
- 00:14:33.835 --> 00:14:36.404
- Oh, it's legal now.
- 00:14:36.404 --> 00:14:37.672
- We were getting democrats
- 00:14:37.672 --> 00:14:39.374
- Were having these bills to subsidize it.
- 00:14:39.374 --> 00:14:42.243
- So like former convicted drug dealers,
- 00:14:42.243 --> 00:14:45.914
- Like black americans could open their own weed stores
- 00:14:45.914 --> 00:14:49.384
- So we could have as many weed stores as possible
- 00:14:49.384 --> 00:14:52.087
- In low income neighborhoods like.
- 00:14:52.087 --> 00:14:54.222
- And i'm just thinking
- 00:14:54.222 --> 00:14:55.390
- We're going to look back at this in ten years, 15, 20.
- 00:14:55.390 --> 00:14:57.993
- And that that will be the new argument
- 00:14:57.993 --> 00:14:59.527
- They use to prove why america's racist.
- 00:14:59.527 --> 00:15:01.296
- They'll say, not only did they legalize weed,
- 00:15:01.296 --> 00:15:04.099
- They subsidized putting weed into black neighborhoods.
- 00:15:04.099 --> 00:15:07.569
- And it's going it's going to be so hard to explain.
- 00:15:07.569 --> 00:15:09.104
- No, actually, that is what liberals were doing.
- 00:15:09.104 --> 00:15:11.673
- Well, as a do gooder thing.
- 00:15:11.673 --> 00:15:12.974
- You know, i'm
- 00:15:12.974 --> 00:15:14.142
- Thinking like tyler robinson and is like lance twiggs.
- 00:15:14.142 --> 00:15:16.644
- Yes, the shooter in tumblr, rich, the other day literally
- 00:15:16.644 --> 00:15:19.214
- Was like in a bunch of you think about the, the delivery
- 00:15:19.214 --> 00:15:22.784
- Mechanisms of modern weed with vaping versus
- 00:15:22.784 --> 00:15:26.755
- If you go back into your mind, like what
- 00:15:26.755 --> 00:15:28.423
- The hippies were doing, it's like
- 00:15:28.423 --> 00:15:29.624
- The hippies would get around a, you know, bong,
- 00:15:29.624 --> 00:15:31.393
- And it would be like they had like an actual plant
- 00:15:31.393 --> 00:15:33.461
- And it took off some not in it, but now
- 00:15:33.461 --> 00:15:35.263
- But it was like it was like a almost
- 00:15:35.263 --> 00:15:37.465
- It was just it took a lot more effort, right, to get around.
- 00:15:37.465 --> 00:15:40.301
- You had to, you know, get it already.
- 00:15:40.301 --> 00:15:42.137
- And now it's like, oh, you know, you're just
- 00:15:42.137 --> 00:15:43.938
- Sitting on the couch watching tv vaping.
- 00:15:43.938 --> 00:15:45.673
- And it just the and by the way,
- 00:15:45.673 --> 00:15:47.275
- The dosage is so much higher.
- 00:15:47.275 --> 00:15:48.543
- It's like that.
- 00:15:48.543 --> 00:15:49.611
- It's so much easier to make it a chronic repeat
- 00:15:49.611 --> 00:15:52.213
- Repeat repeat repeat kind of like usage thing.
- 00:15:52.213 --> 00:15:55.016
- You know, it becomes much more habitual.
- 00:15:55.016 --> 00:15:56.451
- We are going to pivot with sager into epstein.
- 00:15:56.451 --> 00:16:00.488
- You're going to not want to miss that.
- 00:16:01.256 --> 00:16:02.991
- We'll be right back.
- 00:16:02.991 --> 00:16:07.010
- We'll be right back.
- 00:16:07.010 --> 00:16:13.040
- When marijuana is legalized,
- 00:16:13.641 --> 00:16:16.510
- You invite corporate actors
- 00:16:16.510 --> 00:16:20.181
- That are very, very good at making things addictive.
- 00:16:20.181 --> 00:16:22.716
- The operative question, the most important question
- 00:16:22.716 --> 00:16:25.886
- Will more people using weed make america
- 00:16:25.886 --> 00:16:29.590
- A stronger, better, happier,
- 00:16:29.590 --> 00:16:31.192
- More joyful country 50 years from now or less so
- 00:16:31.192 --> 00:16:34.762
- Some people say it will make it that way.
- 00:16:34.762 --> 00:16:37.031
- I completely disagree, i think the data is totally different.
- 00:16:37.031 --> 00:16:39.800
- That was charlie on the marijuana threat.
- 00:16:39.800 --> 00:16:42.203
- You know,
- 00:16:42.203 --> 00:16:42.870
- We obviously want to highlight
- 00:16:42.870 --> 00:16:44.004
- That because he was a big fighter
- 00:16:44.004 --> 00:16:45.739
- Even when it was super unpopular.
- 00:16:45.739 --> 00:16:47.241
- Man, even he would get you going to be
- 00:16:47.241 --> 00:16:49.110
- You guys would fight him on was he was always a warrior.
- 00:16:49.110 --> 00:16:51.946
- He didn't care if he took a bunch of hate for it.
- 00:16:51.946 --> 00:16:54.048
- But we want to pivot into another topic
- 00:16:54.048 --> 00:16:56.217
- Because soccer is very good on this one as well.
- 00:16:56.217 --> 00:16:58.652
- The epstein files, the infamous ones,
- 00:16:58.652 --> 00:17:00.921
- But we wanted to have a specific hook.
- 00:17:00.921 --> 00:17:02.523
- There was an opinion piece
- 00:17:02.523 --> 00:17:03.924
- In the wall street journal the other day by barton swaim,
- 00:17:03.924 --> 00:17:06.660
- And he argues the
- 00:17:06.660 --> 00:17:08.529
- The jeffrey epstein files were supposed to uncover
- 00:17:08.529 --> 00:17:11.031
- The financier's sex trafficking and blackmail operations.
- 00:17:11.031 --> 00:17:14.635
- They haven't,
- 00:17:14.635 --> 00:17:15.870
- For the excellent reason that there were no such operations.
- 00:17:15.870 --> 00:17:19.240
- So we've had guests from both sides of the spectrum saga,
- 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.343
- Some arguing, actually, one argued.
- 00:17:22.343 --> 00:17:24.478
- The real villain in the story, he says, is virginia godfrey
- 00:17:24.478 --> 00:17:27.515
- Herself, that she was a fabulous
- 00:17:27.515 --> 00:17:29.416
- And she kind of created the big conspiracy theories
- 00:17:29.416 --> 00:17:32.486
- Out of nothing.
- 00:17:32.486 --> 00:17:33.621
- And like, sleazy, you know, epstein might be sleazy.
- 00:17:33.621 --> 00:17:36.423
- He did like underage girls,
- 00:17:36.423 --> 00:17:37.892
- But that was the limit of what his wrongdoing was.
- 00:17:37.892 --> 00:17:40.761
- Now, i know you are have generally been a believer
- 00:17:40.761 --> 00:17:43.797
- In, we'll call it
- 00:17:43.797 --> 00:17:44.865
- The big tent epstein theory that there is a lot
- 00:17:44.865 --> 00:17:47.501
- That is still hidden, a lot to be found.
- 00:17:47.501 --> 00:17:49.503
- So what what are you currently thinking
- 00:17:49.503 --> 00:17:51.005
- With all the files that have been released?
- 00:17:51.005 --> 00:17:53.774
- I understand that argument.
- 00:17:54.375 --> 00:17:55.676
- However, i often find that
- 00:17:55.676 --> 00:17:57.077
- They're arguing
- 00:17:57.077 --> 00:17:58.145
- Against a straw man, as if that was the only claim,
- 00:17:58.145 --> 00:18:00.981
- Let's say in the big tent community,
- 00:18:00.981 --> 00:18:02.816
- And say
- 00:18:02.816 --> 00:18:03.717
- That if you were to widen your aperture,
- 00:18:03.717 --> 00:18:05.152
- That the confirmation of the core claim,
- 00:18:05.152 --> 00:18:07.321
- Which was that epstein was obviously involved
- 00:18:07.321 --> 00:18:09.723
- In a highly powerful network
- 00:18:09.723 --> 00:18:11.325
- That involved governments and intelligence agencies,
- 00:18:11.325 --> 00:18:13.527
- But you really can't ignore all of the evidence
- 00:18:13.527 --> 00:18:15.729
- That we now have, not only from the files,
- 00:18:15.729 --> 00:18:17.531
- But from the previous release, that what happened before,
- 00:18:17.531 --> 00:18:19.934
- As lot of as well as a lot of the information
- 00:18:19.934 --> 00:18:22.136
- That was already in the open source environment.
- 00:18:22.136 --> 00:18:25.139
- And so one of the things
- 00:18:25.139 --> 00:18:26.574
- I find very frustrating is that, yes,
- 00:18:26.574 --> 00:18:28.442
- There became this kind of what
- 00:18:28.442 --> 00:18:29.543
- I would call like a low iq conspiracy of a client list
- 00:18:29.543 --> 00:18:32.746
- Where they would say blackmail tape,
- 00:18:32.746 --> 00:18:34.315
- And then so he would write exactly next to it
- 00:18:34.315 --> 00:18:36.383
- What he blackmailed for.
- 00:18:36.383 --> 00:18:37.418
- I'm sorry, i, i mean, i think it's a very
- 00:18:37.418 --> 00:18:38.586
- Unsophisticated understanding of how power
- 00:18:38.586 --> 00:18:40.588
- Influence and yes, in some cases, blackmail works.
- 00:18:40.588 --> 00:18:43.691
- But it also ignores, frankly, the memo where epstein
- 00:18:43.691 --> 00:18:46.994
- Memorialized to himself some very salacious claims
- 00:18:46.994 --> 00:18:50.297
- That were made against bill gates.
- 00:18:50.297 --> 00:18:51.932
- And, guys,
- 00:18:51.932 --> 00:18:52.733
- I can tell you, having had access
- 00:18:52.733 --> 00:18:53.867
- To tens of thousands of epstein's
- 00:18:53.867 --> 00:18:55.436
- Hacked emails
- 00:18:55.436 --> 00:18:56.337
- That i read through, i would venture to say
- 00:18:56.337 --> 00:18:57.738
- I read through every single one.
- 00:18:57.738 --> 00:18:59.039
- He was very often in the business of sending himself
- 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:02.276
- Exactly these types of emails, memos and others
- 00:19:02.276 --> 00:19:04.979
- To memorialize certain conversations,
- 00:19:04.979 --> 00:19:06.747
- Send them to lawyers, and keep tabs on others.
- 00:19:06.747 --> 00:19:09.316
- Individuals now
- 00:19:09.316 --> 00:19:10.217
- Smoking guns largely
- 00:19:10.217 --> 00:19:11.785
- Do not exist for people who are in law enforcement
- 00:19:11.785 --> 00:19:14.021
- Will understand what i am saying.
- 00:19:14.021 --> 00:19:15.723
- You have to be able to connect the dots,
- 00:19:15.723 --> 00:19:17.625
- And what we see is not only all of the compromising photos
- 00:19:17.625 --> 00:19:21.395
- That have been released,
- 00:19:21.395 --> 00:19:22.463
- Let's say, of lord mandelson of prince andrew,
- 00:19:22.463 --> 00:19:25.199
- Many of these others rich and powerful people.
- 00:19:25.199 --> 00:19:27.635
- But it really belies the, you know what i would say the
- 00:19:27.635 --> 00:19:30.671
- The ignoring by a lot of the people
- 00:19:30.671 --> 00:19:32.306
- Who don't want to see
- 00:19:32.306 --> 00:19:33.507
- A bigger network here of epstein's work
- 00:19:33.507 --> 00:19:36.043
- With these intelligence agencies, and the reason why
- 00:19:36.043 --> 00:19:38.279
- The intelligence agency question is central.
- 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.347
- And the most important
- 00:19:40.347 --> 00:19:41.582
- Is that his usefulness to this very powerful network
- 00:19:41.582 --> 00:19:44.952
- Of governments, intelligence agencies
- 00:19:44.952 --> 00:19:46.687
- All across the world, not just one
- 00:19:46.687 --> 00:19:48.188
- Single intelligence agency, is what enabled him to get away
- 00:19:48.188 --> 00:19:52.359
- With some of his more salacious activities
- 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.628
- That everybody else likes to focus on.
- 00:19:54.628 --> 00:19:56.463
- And that is the big ten. oh. that's important.
- 00:19:56.463 --> 00:19:59.066
- Okay, okay, seeger, you're back.
- 00:19:59.066 --> 00:20:00.768
- You're, you're.
- 00:20:00.768 --> 00:20:02.336
- We had some connection back down, but apologies, but.
- 00:20:02.336 --> 00:20:04.438
- Yeah, it's fine on my end.
- 00:20:04.438 --> 00:20:05.539
- No, listen, i think i think the, intelligence
- 00:20:05.539 --> 00:20:08.542
- I tend to be.
- 00:20:08.542 --> 00:20:09.443
- I lean more on your side here
- 00:20:09.443 --> 00:20:11.011
- Because the the whole his whole rise to power, his whole,
- 00:20:11.011 --> 00:20:15.549
- It how rich he got the les wexner connections.
- 00:20:16.450 --> 00:20:19.420
- This revelation that lex was has
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- Now been listed in the files as a coconspirator.
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- The question about when are we going to see indictments?
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- We were told actually, yesterday by chip roy
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- That he asked pam bondi specifically
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- If some of
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- These other investigations are ongoing
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- And can we expect some indictments?
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- Apparently,
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- Yes. is the answer that they're working
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- On, on the coconspirators.
- 00:20:39.807 --> 00:20:41.642
- But i tend to think that he was connected to intel.
- 00:20:41.642 --> 00:20:44.345
- And i agree, there's this
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- I think a low iq take on what that means.
- 00:20:45.646 --> 00:20:48.382
- It's like, here's your $10 million.
- 00:20:48.382 --> 00:20:50.784
- Now, you know, send these arm shipments over here
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- And then we're going to like bury it over here.
- 00:20:53.887 --> 00:20:55.789
- People think of it in very black and white terms.
- 00:20:55.789 --> 00:20:59.226
- He was very good at insinuating at at reminding people
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- Of what he knew, that he was keeping tabs on everything.
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- And it's a soft power.
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- And you're right, it enabled him to get away
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- With this really gross lifestyle
- 00:21:09.737 --> 00:21:11.338
- Over the years that was a,
- 00:21:11.338 --> 00:21:12.606
- You know, people kind of turn the other other cheek, too.
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- So i tend to think
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- I tend to agree that
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- I think he was connected internationally.
- 00:21:18.078 --> 00:21:19.880
- I think he had, a power play.
- 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.249
- But i do tend to think that the sex thing,
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- Which is what
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- A lot of people hang their hat on, is probably less,
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- Salacious than people want want to believe,
- 00:21:29.156 --> 00:21:31.925
- Because virginia godfrey
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- Was the one that recruited a lot of these young women,
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- Underage women.
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- And they were.
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- They were? yeah.
- 00:21:37.664 --> 00:21:38.198
- There's hot to tell.
- 00:21:38.198 --> 00:21:39.099
- Tell, you know, jeffrey epstein.
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- Oh, i'm 18 and and everything's fine
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- And put on makeup and dress a certain way.
- 00:21:42.936 --> 00:21:45.706
- There's no question that virginia could fray
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- At her own problems.
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- Okay, now i want to, you know, totally besmirch the dad.
- 00:21:48.675 --> 00:21:50.844
- Either we shouldn't forget that she committed suicide,
- 00:21:50.844 --> 00:21:52.880
- And she really was driven toward the.
- 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:54.515
- She had a torturous life. okay.
- 00:21:54.515 --> 00:21:56.083
- And we also have
- 00:21:56.083 --> 00:21:57.284
- A lot of images, that showed that she did certainly have,
- 00:21:57.284 --> 00:22:00.521
- You know, a lot of connections inside of epstein's universe.
- 00:22:00.521 --> 00:22:03.223
- But i want to come back to what you said
- 00:22:03.223 --> 00:22:05.058
- And then let's also do what investigators do.
- 00:22:05.058 --> 00:22:07.161
- They rule out other possibilities.
- 00:22:07.161 --> 00:22:08.929
- One of the reasons why rich people said
- 00:22:08.929 --> 00:22:10.697
- They associated with epstein was tax advice.
- 00:22:10.697 --> 00:22:12.800
- Well, now we have access to millions of his emails.
- 00:22:12.800 --> 00:22:14.768
- There's no tax advice in there. zero.
- 00:22:14.768 --> 00:22:16.570
- Leon black, the head of the apollo group
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- Who was worth
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- $9 billion, said he paid him $150 million for tax advice.
- 00:22:19.606 --> 00:22:22.676
- Can't find a single email of any tax advice.
- 00:22:22.676 --> 00:22:24.978
- The only advice that i found
- 00:22:24.978 --> 00:22:26.346
- Is he found, like a business insider article
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- And sent it to one of his accountants.
- 00:22:28.315 --> 00:22:29.783
- Sorry, that doesn't pass muster with less wexner.
- 00:22:29.783 --> 00:22:32.986
- He was the greatest financial mind i've ever seen.
- 00:22:32.986 --> 00:22:35.589
- As i said, i've read his unredacted
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- Emails, which i have gained access to.
- 00:22:38.158 --> 00:22:40.227
- There is no sophisticated financial engineering going on.
- 00:22:40.227 --> 00:22:43.530
- You can also read jason leopold over at bloomberg news.
- 00:22:43.530 --> 00:22:46.066
- He read through it
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- The only real thing
- 00:22:46.967 --> 00:22:48.135
- Where we can come away with how he made his money
- 00:22:48.135 --> 00:22:49.937
- Is, is either blackmail and other types of criminality
- 00:22:49.937 --> 00:22:54.041
- Nothing passes the smell test, and every single one
- 00:22:54.041 --> 00:22:56.777
- Of these cases,
- 00:22:56.777 --> 00:22:57.711
- And it all points to a very sophisticated
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- What i think is a money
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- Laundering operation that at times intersected
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- With the intelligence community, the cia.
- 00:23:03.584 --> 00:23:05.686
- By the way, one of the important things
- 00:23:05.686 --> 00:23:07.521
- From the files is epstein following the cia
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- For any mention of himself in the year 1999.
- 00:23:10.123 --> 00:23:13.393
- So and then again in the year 2011. yep.
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- It's been wonderful having you, my friend.
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- Thanks, blake, for setting it up.
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- Of course. we'll have you guys.
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- Nice chatting with you. all right.
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