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Charlie Kirk Today | Saagar Enjeti: November 20, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | November 20, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- So today's, opening
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- Story is going to be islam versus america.
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- It's there's a lot of of these stories that are kind of,
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- Coming together all at one time coalescing.
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- And i thought it was really, apropos
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- Because blake, you know, there's a lot of talk right now
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- Online about the fracturing of the right or that,
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- You know, different groups are, chipping at each other.
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- And there's people are people we like to argue
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- Always, frankly,
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- And but just especially, we'll be well, admit it,
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- The elections in virginia, new jersey were challenging.
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- They weren't results we were hoping for.
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- And always after that, that ends up with some sniping,
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- Some blaming.
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- And then there's other stuff that's been going on.
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- You know,
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- We don't even want to name names and like dive into it.
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- Yeah, it's a lot. it's a lot of stuff.
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- Charlie fought so hard against charlie
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- All the kids cared about looking forward,
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- Building the coalition, finding the common ground
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- Where there was disagreement. absolutely.
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- And we were talking just before the show.
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- What would charlie be wanting to do right now?
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- And he wouldn't be wallowing in disagreements.
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- He would be thinking, what can unite us?
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- And one of those things he cared
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- So much about uniting us on before his death was, hey guys,
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- One of the problems
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- Facing america is this rising tide of islam.
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- Absolutely.
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- Yeah.
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- And and so what we saw, and i think it's a really important,
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- I think, event, cultural event.
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- But it's a
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- I think it's a precursor of things
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- That we are probably going to see more of, unfortunately.
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- And that was in dearborn, michigan, where you had,
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- Let's say, hundreds.
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- I've heard as many as of a as a thousand.
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- I'm not sure on the total numbers we couldn't verify it.
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- But protesters
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- That came out, they announced that
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- They were going to do this protest on november 10th.
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- And then they said, we're going to do it on november 18th.
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- So they only had
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- Like 8 or 8 days or so between the announcement
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- And the protest.
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- They went to dearborn
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- Dearborn is kind of ground zero for it's
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- Probably a terrible, expression to use
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- When we're talking about the islam ification of america.
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- But it's ground zero for this mass migration that's happening
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- Within the west, largely, especially in the uk.
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- You and
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- Charlie visited the uk and that was one
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- Of your largest observations.
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- But now it's happening in dearborn and and we've got mom.
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- Donny is the new mayor in new york.
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- A lot of things are coming together.
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- And then yesterday blake, governor greg abbott
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- Went on x, went on twitter and said, today
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- I designate the muslim brotherhood
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- And council on american-islamic relations care as foreign
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- Terrorists and transnational criminal organizations.
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- This bans them from buying or acquiring land in texas,
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- And authorizes the attorney general to sue
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- To shut them down.
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- Big moment for sure, for sure.
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- And, you know, care. it gets brought up.
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- So it is an islamic advocacy arm in the united states,
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- But it's long had friction where it gets
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- You inevitably get involved with some shady stuff.
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- And so some of that actually was just reported yesterday
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- In the new york post, the california chapter of care.
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- They were cutting $1,000 checks
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- Through something called the champions of justice fund.
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- And what those thousand dollars checks were going
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- To, among others, were agitators on u.s.
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- College campuses.
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- The ones who were shutting down entire campuses,
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- Harassing other students, taking over buildings
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- As part of their anti-israel protests.
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- Which, in early 24, which, we'll be frank,
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- Frequently spiraled into just outright violent,
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- Anti-semitic, disruptive behavior.
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- And these they were getting funded by care.
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- And that gets at the heart
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- Of what we've talked about also with antifa, which is there
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- Are these left wing nonprofit arms
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- Whose purpose is to provide ideological cover
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- And financial support for barely illegal
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- Or just aggressively illegal behavior by their more
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- Rank and file individuals.
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- And you have to break these networks up.
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- You can't just have
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- Financial subsidies endlessly going to people who are
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- Terrorists, terrorists, sympathizers, rioters,
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- Disrupters, the people who are
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- Who actually aren't winning at the ballot box.
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- And so they impose what they want
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- Through the streets and through the courts,
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- Rather than ever winning an election.
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- Care has, alleged ties to hamas, the muslim
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- Brotherhood, including funding terror designated groups.
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- They oppose president trump's travel restrictions and travel
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- Bans and trump 1.0 and trump one 2.0,
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- Calling it religious based discrimination.
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- They they've had they had the cares
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- Executive director and jihad award in 2023
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- Expressed joy over the october 7th hamas attacks in israel.
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- I was happy to see palestinians break.
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- The siege was what he said.
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- They promote,
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- Sharia line policies and public institutions.
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- So, for example, because we're talking about
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- Texas, look, what care has done in texas.
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- Care has advocated
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- For accommodations like halal meals in schools.
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- They've they've advocated to adjust exam schedules
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- For islamic holidays, allowing imams to perform marriages.
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- They do that in i think they already do that in new york.
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- I think they get eid off.
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- That's, kind of related to ramadan.
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- Yeah. yes, exactly.
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- So blue districts, you would you would assume this, but i
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- What what governor abbott has done in texas,
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- They're going to get sued.
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- Kerry's going to going to sue them.
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- Other people are going to sue them.
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- But, what they he has done in texas,
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- It should be codified by the state legislature.
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- There should be is as strong of a of a political,
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- Foot forward as you could make. right.
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- Because, you know, governor's executive orders
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- From the president, they're all less firm
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- Than when you pass them through legislation. right.
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- They're less, reliable, stable.
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- But this is how i think.
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- Look at it.
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- Kerry's even modified
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- Jail procedures to align with islamic practices.
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- So the kerry is a group that you, charlie, says,
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- Say this islam is incompatible with the west.
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- And you have to take this from a macro to a micro.
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- On the micro level, you you are going to meet nice
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- Muslims. okay?
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- That is not the argument that charlie made.
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- That is not the argument that we will make on the show.
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- You will sometimes obviously meet people that are wonderful
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- People of all backgrounds and walks of life.
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- However, on the macro, islam
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- Is not compatible with the west and we have clips of charlie
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- Saying these things, by the way,
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- If we will, if we want to, throw out one of those before
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- The break, let's do, let's do 190.
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- The spiritual battle is coming to the west,
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- And the enemies are wokeism, or marxism
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- Combining with islamism
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- To go after what we call the american way of life.
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- And the american way of life is very simple.
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- I want to be able to get married, buy a home, have kids,
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- Allow them to ride their bike to the sun goes down,
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- Send them to a good school, have a low crime neighborhood,
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- Not to have my kid be taught the lesbian, gay,
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- Transgender, garbage in their school
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- While also.
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- While also not having them
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- Have to hear the muslim call to prayer five times a day.
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- That's important.
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- We want the american way of life,
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- Which is, by the way, christendom.
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- Amen.
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- Never quite got him to leave the t out of christendom.
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- But such is life. such is life.
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- But we'll have more on this.
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- But the muslim call to prayer once you start hearing it,
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- It's at 4 a.m.
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- And they play it very loudly because they view that
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- As an assertive, aggressive, like an assertive play
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- To show we are taking over this place.
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- We are terraforming america to resemble the middle east.
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- There is a lot of videos of them,
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- You know, telegraphing their next moves.
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- So we're going to play those as well.
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- In genesis
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- 12 three, god made a powerful promise
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- To abraham, the father of the jewish people.
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- I will bless those who bless you.
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- The christian bible tells us
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- That we have been grafted into god's family tree.
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- The rich olive tree of israel,
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- The very foundations of the christian faith,
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- The bible and jesus, whom christians call
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- The messiah, are deeply rooted in israel.
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- Supporting israel aligns christians with god's
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- Prophetic timeline.
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- It demonstrates our willingness to be instruments of
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- God's blessing, uplifting his chosen people,
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- And it calls us to confront and heal
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- The centuries old wounds of anti-semitism.
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- The scripture says how good and how
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- Pleasant it is when brethren dwell together.
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- You can be part of this historic movement
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- Of bringing light to our world.
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- Learn more by going to ifc.
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- J.org today.
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- J.org today.
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- This dearborn thing.
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- I want
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- To play a couple of these scenes really quick
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- Because this was a collision of christians.
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- Right.
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- You could debate
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- Whether they were being good christians or bad, but they
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- Present themselves as christians
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- Versus muslims in the streets.
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- And it was it was a collision, there's no doubt.
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- And here's one that was really disturbing
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- To me, obviously, given our this is the charlie kirk show.
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- This is a muslim calls for christians protesting
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- That, they're going to get charlie kirk to play cut.
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- 221 and he said he hopes so.
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- He hopes, jake. yeah.
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- Charlie kirk, you know, but i get charlie kirk out.
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- You're he gets killed because you don't like him.
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- But that's your guy.
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- You know, if he gets killed, if you don't like him.
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- Yeah, i suppose we'll be hearing that one for a long
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- Time. what way? yeah, which, you know what?
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- Like i hate it, but at the same time, there's something.
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- There's something
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- Satisfying or useful when the mask comes off,
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- When they just admit what they want.
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- Yeah, hopefully you notice.
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- And you see, you see just. yeah.
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- How depraved they are i totally agree.
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- Here's dearborn mayor abdullah hammoud to a resident.
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- You do not belong in this city.
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- Islamophobe get out.
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- 225 i mean, hezbollah, you know, bombed,
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- The embassy in, in beirut and, including many americans.
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- So, i just feel it's quite inappropriate.
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- You aren't islamophobic.
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- And although you live here, i want you to know, as mayor,
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- You're not welcome here.
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- And the day you move out of the city
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- Will be the day that i launch a parade
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- Celebrating the fact that you moved out of the city.
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- Good people. and this is what they do.
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- This is what i want to make very clear.
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- Their whole goal is to infiltrate mayor by mayor
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- Elected office, by elected office,
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- And then they're going to
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- Essentially their plan is to out breed.
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- They were going to immigrate, and they're going to breed
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- Americans and westerners more broadly.
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- And i want to play this this clip actually, i believe yeah.
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- This is brigitte gabriel.
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- She's been on this show before with charlie, and she talks
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- About how successful muslims were in this past elections.
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- Play cut. two
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- Candidate muslim candidates won elected
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- Office 4276 ran and 42 got elected.
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- So while all eyes were on mamdani in new york,
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- The muslims were able to sweep such victories
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- For the first time in american history
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- Across at least nine states, occupying positions.
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- And last clip i'm going to play in this segment,
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- But this is an islamic
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- Imam explaining
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- How they plan to take over america,
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- And it ties into that last clip play. cut to 22.
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- Let's work towards the muslim mirror
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- Next election that comes in.
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- Nominate people for the school board of education.
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- Next election that comes here.
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- Nominate people for the local township game.
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- The demographics change. people convert it.
- 00:11:48.064 --> 00:11:50.634
- There's a big, huge conversion going on in this country.
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- So that's demographic change.
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- Mayor. by mayor i mean this is their plan.
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- It is a conquering maybe like that's the question.
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- It explain why is islam
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- Is more than a religion is actually a political ideology.
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- Well it is it is.
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- The thing about islam is in contrast to christianity,
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- If, you know, if you read the gospels,
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- If you read the early christians
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- There, you know, there can be places
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- That are very christian, but it doesn't.
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- Jesus doesn't actually talk a lot
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- About how you're supposed to organize a state,
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- How you're supposed to organize a government.
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- It is mostly about individuals or faith communities.
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- Islam from the start, is political.
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- Muhammad is the political leader of the first muslims.
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- They have the concept of a caliph
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- Who is a political leader of all muslims.
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- Islam has from the very beginning, specific rules.
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- How should an islamic state be organized?
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- And what this means is, is
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- You have far more explicit rules of
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- This is what you should endeavor to do in your country.
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- That is what sharia is.
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- Sharia means islamic like law
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- According to islamic principles. islam.
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- If you are a devout muslim, you are explicitly required
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- To pursue those laws.
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- And so if you're a good muslim, you are going to be same.
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- We should pursue sharia.
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- They might disagree about exactly what it is, but
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- There's no tension like there would be with christianity.
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- Like with christianity,
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- We would have a lot of reasons to say,
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- Oh, you can't compel certain things on everybody,
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- Or there's just no obvious way you're supposed to set up
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- A christian state.
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- But with islam, there's no such tension exists.
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- You are, in fact, supposed to set up an islamic government.
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- You're supposed to impose
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- Special taxes on people who are not muslims.
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- You are.
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- I mean, i think they're even supposed
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- To, like, dress differently.
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- And there's all of these things.
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- And so there's this vast history for muslims to view.
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- Oh, i am part of.
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- And also it was a conquest thing
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- From the beginning
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- That the faith was created and rapidly
- 00:13:47.684 --> 00:13:49.319
- Conquered the area around it to spread islam.
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- So they have an entire history of
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- We can expand, we can take over an area,
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- And then we can impose islamic law, islamic
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- Norms on that place.
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- In the past, they did it with actual warfare.
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- We are now in the 21st century and they are very aware
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- It can be done demographically.
- 00:14:08.004 --> 00:14:09.906
- You'll have islamic thinkers
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- In their own private, you know, sermons and podcasts.
- 00:14:12.709 --> 00:14:15.478
- They will say,
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- We are going to conquer the west with our wombs.
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- That's the wording they'll use.
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- And they said, the west is a woman to be mounted.
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- This is very much their intention.
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- And we better wake up to it.
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- Stop being distracted by all the infighting or all the,
- 00:14:27.857 --> 00:14:30.894
- You know, the, the shiny
- 00:14:30.894 --> 00:14:32.329
- Little stories that run by this is the main story.
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- We'll be right back with saga and jedi.
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- Where are
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- The tears from the pain.
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- The life that she lived.
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- She's a survivor of auschwitz.
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- The years that they would just beat her ears.
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- That she didn't have food and felt hungry.
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- And our answer is love.
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- Before, with a gift of only $25.
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- You'll deliver a life saving food box into the hands
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- Of an elderly jew in need.
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- I wasn't only saying people have a heart.
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- There are good people today.
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- Call, scan or go online now.
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- And the international
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- Fellowship of christians
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- And jews will rush your food box today saudi arabia.
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- This is a holy moment.
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- What you're doing is not simply being kind.
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- You are prophetically stepping into the scriptures
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- And being part of their redemption and our own.
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- I'm excited about our next guest.
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- We actually tried to do this yesterday and ran into,
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- Weather disruptions and power outages here in phoenix.
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- And that's seger and jetty, host of breaking points.
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- Really popular show.
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- And singer is a really, you are.
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- You're welcome. welcome to the show.
- 00:16:04.389 --> 00:16:05.724
- Say thank you, guys. thanks for having me.
- 00:16:05.724 --> 00:16:08.093
- You are a contrarian thinker on a lot of topics, i think.
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- And you always make it interesting,
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- Whether that's,
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- Daylight savings time or, in this case, property taxes.
- 00:16:14.866 --> 00:16:18.103
- And you and blake, i think, are the same mind here.
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- What is your take on this push in florida
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- To eliminate property taxes yet?
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- First of all, just thank you guys
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- For having me.
- 00:16:26.711 --> 00:16:27.546
- My first time joining the program
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- Since charlie's passing.
- 00:16:28.613 --> 00:16:29.614
- I just want to commend you both for the job
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- That you guys are doing.
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- And i'm very,
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- Very sorry
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- That charlie and i never got to have the fight
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- About daylight savings time that we were once promised.
- 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:37.222
- So r.i.p charlie, we will one day be able to have that.
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- But property tax in general,
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- There's been a new push by governor desantis.
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- This is picking up on quite a few red states,
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- Governor abbott and others
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- In texas pushing explicitly to either abolish property tax
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- Or in a more objectionable
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- Case, in my opinion, specifically carve out property
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- Tax exemptions for older homeowners.
- 00:16:55.941 --> 00:16:58.110
- And something that i'm really passionate about is defending
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- The very idea of property tax very specifically,
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- While also being able
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- To critique individual school districts,
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- Because i believe that it's very important
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- To preserve the local connection
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- Of the taxpayer to the community.
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- And one of my more recent objections right
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- Now, specifically,
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- Is that it actually centralizes control of education, of
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- Police, public services and others at the state
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- And the federal level.
- 00:17:22.634 --> 00:17:23.802
- And if you really think back
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- To the founding of our republic,
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- Property tax is in many ways the most american tax
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- That exists.
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- 14 out of the 15 colonies had property taxes by 1796.
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- Thomas jefferson actually believed the property
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- Tax was the most righteous tax
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- That could exist here in the united states.
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- And so i'm concerned more specifically
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- At a very high level, that this is largely a giveaway
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- To the wealthy landowner class, which, yes,
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- Also disproportionately happens to be much older.
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- And that, it is not one that prioritizes younger
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- Families, turnover and other healthy elements
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- Of a housing market, which remains,
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- As you guys know, as charlie knew as well.
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- One of the central pain points for the burgeoning
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- American family.
- 00:18:03.275 --> 00:18:04.543
- And if we care about families caring about housing, housing
- 00:18:04.543 --> 00:18:06.411
- Policy, school district funding is something
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- That we all really need to think very deeply about.
- 00:18:08.413 --> 00:18:11.016
- And i just think this goes in the wrong direction.
- 00:18:11.016 --> 00:18:12.551
- You know, i think everybody's heart is in the right place.
- 00:18:12.551 --> 00:18:14.419
- We want more families, want more marriages.
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- We want to restore the social compact for gen z.
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- My one push back here and i want to
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- I was not aware that thomas jefferson said
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- It was the most righteous of all the taxes.
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- I one of the most righteous. yeah, one of i.
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- Please explain why if you if you know
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- Why he said that what was his rationale was for that.
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- Sure. i'm just curious.
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- Yeah.
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- At the time of the colonies,
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- It's very important
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- To remember,
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- And you guys discussed this as well,
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- The idea of a general income
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- Tax or a capital gains
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- Tax or any of these other taxes was anathema, really.
- 00:18:43.348 --> 00:18:46.318
- A lot of it was alcohol taxes, like a peruvian syntax.
- 00:18:46.318 --> 00:18:49.521
- It was tariffs, and it was property tax.
- 00:18:49.521 --> 00:18:51.756
- Property owners were the only ones
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- Who could vote at that time.
- 00:18:53.391 --> 00:18:54.492
- But very importantly, it was seen as a way,
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- As the property
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- Owner themselves is benefiting from the social benefit
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- Of what it would pay for, let's say, from the mail system
- 00:19:02.167 --> 00:19:04.302
- To eventually evolved into co-ops, into schools.
- 00:19:04.302 --> 00:19:07.205
- And that's why 14 out of the 15
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- Colonies by 1796 had a property tax on the books.
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- In fact,
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- There used to be
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- Something called a general property tax,
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- Which we don't even have anymore.
- 00:19:15.347 --> 00:19:17.215
- And so i really do understand how difficult it can be.
- 00:19:17.215 --> 00:19:20.085
- You know, when you look at your mortgage
- 00:19:20.085 --> 00:19:21.319
- And especially with the so-called reassessments
- 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:23.355
- Of home values and more importantly,
- 00:19:23.355 --> 00:19:25.357
- People saying, i don't feel like i'm getting
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- Enough for my property tax.
- 00:19:27.192 --> 00:19:28.893
- But my real message to you is you have the ability
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- To change that on a level more than any other.
- 00:19:31.296 --> 00:19:34.332
- I mean,
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- If you live in
- 00:19:34.733 --> 00:19:35.834
- A state of florida, there's what millions of people
- 00:19:35.834 --> 00:19:37.068
- Who live in the state of florida,
- 00:19:37.068 --> 00:19:38.203
- The realistically,
- 00:19:38.203 --> 00:19:39.004
- Your ability to campaign
- 00:19:39.004 --> 00:19:40.105
- And change policy at the state level is very low.
- 00:19:40.105 --> 00:19:42.574
- And, you know,
- 00:19:42.574 --> 00:19:43.508
- Issues that you guys have talked about here
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- On the show,
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- One reason
- 00:19:45.310 --> 00:19:46.478
- Why parents felt so much courage to come and speak up,
- 00:19:46.478 --> 00:19:48.647
- Let's say, against critical race theory,
- 00:19:48.647 --> 00:19:50.248
- You know, transgenderism was because, you know,
- 00:19:50.248 --> 00:19:52.617
- As taxpayers, we pay into this, we're directly funding it.
- 00:19:52.617 --> 00:19:55.420
- And we have that access.
- 00:19:55.420 --> 00:19:57.155
- And by removing that, you actually really do
- 00:19:57.155 --> 00:19:59.691
- Remove the social compact between the parent
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- And the locality
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- And the ability to influence turnover
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- And ultimately to govern our own destiny,
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- Which is what local government
- 00:20:07.065 --> 00:20:08.466
- Really is all about from our police force,
- 00:20:08.466 --> 00:20:11.002
- You know, from electing sheriff,
- 00:20:11.002 --> 00:20:12.504
- Like so much of this is actually baked
- 00:20:12.504 --> 00:20:14.306
- Deeply into the american spirit and so long way of,
- 00:20:14.306 --> 00:20:17.042
- To answer your question, is it was about localism
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- And it was fundamentally
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- About community, and it was seen as both
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- A way to raise revenue,
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- But also to turn people into
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- Good citizens and to recognize the ability
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- For us to influence where those policies are,
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- In which direction they could go.
- 00:20:29.888 --> 00:20:30.989
- You know, we're talking about,
- 00:20:30.989 --> 00:20:32.090
- You know, the landed gentry were the only ones that,
- 00:20:32.090 --> 00:20:34.626
- Could vote back at america's founding.
- 00:20:34.626 --> 00:20:36.961
- Was it just a property tax on, like, working farms,
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- And productive pieces of land that made a revenue?
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- Or was it actually a property
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- Tax on,
- 00:20:43.935 --> 00:20:45.103
- You know, if you owned a home in a township somewhere?
- 00:20:45.103 --> 00:20:47.772
- So it was colony by colony.
- 00:20:47.772 --> 00:20:49.207
- It was also what blake is saying is
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- About the general property tax.
- 00:20:50.542 --> 00:20:51.810
- So it wasn't just necessarily on that.
- 00:20:51.810 --> 00:20:53.545
- It was also on the amount of stuff that you actually owned
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- And its overall assessed value.
- 00:20:56.281 --> 00:20:57.816
- But it was it was variable and different a little bit.
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- And from our
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- Some of the reading that i have done,
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- I do think it's important, though, to address that point
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- And to where we're
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- Talking about, you know, today, which is one of the reasons
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- Why i think this is really important
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- Is because the home ownership class largely
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- Is, you know, on the older side of the spectrum.
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- And one of the things that i think all of us on
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- This show
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- Are trying to get into is how can we make it
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- So that younger families can afford homes.
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- And so ultimately, when we have so many policy proposals,
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- Which largely are going to benefit
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- Some of the older americans, which are, you know, rapidly
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- Appreciated their own
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- Housing stock, which, you know, if you look at their stock
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- Portfolios or overall wealth generation,
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- We should also be looking perhaps at other funding
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- Vehicles, and especially in states
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- Like florida and texas, which pride themselves
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- As pro-family states,
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- That's going to have to probably come
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- In the form of a highly regressive
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- Sales tax or some other tax, which is almost certain
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- To hit the worker and the younger family member,
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- As well as not increasing the amount of housing stock.
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- And so we have to accept certain market realities
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- And others that currently exist,
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- And the way that our housing market works
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- And the way that all of these things are funded
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- And we have to design it so that all of us together
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- Can prosper. and you're right.
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- You know, zoran mamdani,
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- Rent control in a lot of ways is the inverse of,
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- You know, a rent control and rent price fixing
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- Specifically is the inverse of, property tax,
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- Abolishing abolishment, something
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- I'm going to borrow there from blake.
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- And i think people who are conservative,
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- If can rightfully ridicule that while not recognizing
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- Their own
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- Impetus to want that same thing when it benefits themselves.
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