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Charlie Kirk Today | Savanah Hernandez: February 27, 2026 | Charlie Kirk Today | February 27, 2026
- Had a great time in our nation's capital.
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- But in the, let's just say, in the tradition of charlie,
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- I was all too eager to get the heck out.
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- Because, you know, you don't wanna stay there too long.
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- Roger brandt, evil city.
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- Yeah, well, you know, it's weird.
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- I went to this capitol hill club where, you know,
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- It's like all the lobbyists hang out and stuff.
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- I got invited there as a
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- Lobbyist.
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- Yes, i think that's the.
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- But it was like a zoo trip is like, go to the zoo.
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- You see him in there?
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- They're like.
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- They're like, well, you know, the caged habitat in it.
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- It was, it was very, very illuminating.
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- We got to tackle this epstein thing.
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- I had a revelation last night, so i'm flying home, and
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- I get into a debate via text because i'm on a plane
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- With a very prominent left wing.
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- Tv host.
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- All right, so, we're having this debate,
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- And it becomes very clear to me,
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- While we were paying attention to the state of the union,
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- While we were paying attention to this epic, speech
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- From president trump, this, this tent enlarging speech
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- Where he i think he hit
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- So many of the right notes and he completely seemed to hit
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- Mark halpern's tweet, the tony fabrizio, presentation,
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- You know, banning stock trading for congress, etc., etc.
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- He did what he needed to do.
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- That being said, the other side of the aisle is
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- Fixated on
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- This epstein bombshell from npr.
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- I didn't realize the depth of it,
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- Because i live in the real world
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- And they live in the jet trump at all costs world.
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- But here's where it gets really interesting.
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- So there you go.
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- Npr's justice department withheld
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- And removed some epstein files related to trump.
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- So that's the allegation
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- That the statute said that president trump
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- Was supposed to release all of these documents.
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- He did not. that's the claim.
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- So i didn't realize how in-depth this was.
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- But then you find out, you know, gen z, tiktok
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- Is all about blackmail and trump.
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- And i mean, they're not buying that.
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- Trump has been exonerated.
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- People who primarily get their news through this program
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- Or similar programs, i think they need to understand
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- There is a pretty large chunk of america that is
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- Substantially on tiktok, substantially on ex,
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- Substantially on instagram, youtube, where like, this is
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- The number one and arguably only story in the entire world
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- Is various things around emanating from epstein.
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- Epstein, it is tapped into.
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- And a lot of you in this audience care about it
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- A great deal. i care about it a great deal.
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- And let's just let's just start with brass tacks.
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- If you are a pedophile, well,
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- I think you should be arrested, held accountable.
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- Death penalty. simple as that.
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- If you touched a little child, underage girl,
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- You should be thrown into jail, probably killed, executed,
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- And then into the depths of hell.
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- No problem there. but what?
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- We also have to be clear about is we have to follow facts.
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- We have to actually follow what is provable.
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- And one of the reasons that we don't, as a country
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- Historically, just released grand jury testimony
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- Is because it's not definitive all the time.
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- It can be conclusively if it's conclusive,
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- But it could also just be a lot of random grand jury.
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- As it was pointed out, i believe, by the president
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- Even last summer, it's a grand jury is the rare situation
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- Where you can say stuff that would otherwise
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- Be totally defamatory if you uttered it in other contexts,
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- Because it's to a grand jury, and they can weigh
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- Whether it is actually true, likely to be true or not.
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- Right.
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- And now we just taken that, and i'm giving it out
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- And giving it to the internet to do what the internet does.
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- Now some of that can be really good.
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- And we keep asking questions.
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- We keep asking questions that can be really good.
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- But when it turns into like, you know,
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- This government official is eating little babies
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- And whatever because some random email came
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- Through and it's in these 3 million documents,
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- It can literally cause the internet brain rot
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- That you're seeing right now.
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- And so this is why i want to address it,
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- Because it's young people,
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- Especially, that are buying into
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- Some of the more ridiculous claims.
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- Now, jeffrey epstein is evil.
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- He was a pedophile.
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- He was a sexual predator.
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- He was
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- He was using prostitution and soliciting
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- Young women in palm beach.
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- President trump in 2006 called
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- Was one of the first people to call.
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- That's according to the files.
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- The first people that called prominent people to call was
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- President trump saying, thank you.
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- Finally getting this monster.
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- Yeah, that's a document from the fbi.
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- Is this 2006?
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- This is before jeffrey
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- Epstein was even indicted as a sexual predator.
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- Okay. but here's the deal.
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- So the salacious allegations that npr reported
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- About president trump are ridiculous.
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- And let me explain why
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- This is what they left out of the story.
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- The woman who was interviewed for the first time by the fbi
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- In 2019, claimed that she was 13, in 1983,
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- When her mother put her out for an ad to be a babysitter,
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- And that jeffrey epstein
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- Lured her to a house in south carolina
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- On the promise of a babysitting job.
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- Here's the problem
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- Even jeffrey epstein's brother mark, who seems to be
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- A pretty straight shooter on this stuff, is
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- He wants to find out who killed his brother,
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- Doesn't believe he committed suicide.
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- So that's his motivation.
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- He's never been accused of any wrongdoing
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- Or being involved in his brother's, crimes.
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- He said he never had a house in south carolina,
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- Never summered in south carolina.
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- She says that it was in a later fbi interview that she even
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- Mentioned allegations against president trump.
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- This is uncomfortable for many reasons.
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- Epstein never had a residence in south carolina.
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- Like i said, epstein was known to never do alcohol or drugs,
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- And every other allegation against him
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- Starts with a massage, not drug fueled sexual acts.
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- There was also another bizarre moment
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- When this woman identified epstein using a photo
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- That she claimed needed a crop in order
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- To not implicate additional individuals.
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- Well, this was a well-known photo
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- That was a picture of president trump and jeffrey epstein.
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- So she already had this picture of trump.
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- And anyways, on top of that, the woman's lawyer who set
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- This whole interview up is lisa
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- Bloom, who was also responsible for a very bogus
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- Katie johnson allegation
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- That was laughed out of court in 2016.
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- So npr doesn't include
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- Any of the exculpatory evidence for president trump.
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- They don't include the fact that he was the first person
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- To speak out against jeffrey epstein.
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- Sorry, i can tell you you're ready to jump in.
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- Well, it's
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- I think
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- It's helpful to zoom out because it's
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- Such a suffocatingly complex story.
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- 3 million documents.
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- It's been going on for years.
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- The big picture you need to know here is
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- The president was vindicated on something very important
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- That he warned last summer, which is a lot of people
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- Are going to just get
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- Recklessly accused of things that there's not evidence for.
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- If we go all in on this, which congress did.
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- And as a result, all these documents have come out.
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- They're filled with a lot of them
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- Completely salacious or mentally ill
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- Or anonymous allegations that there's no evidence for.
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- And what
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- This npr article shows is how this is going to end up,
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- Which is they'll try to get the house next fall
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- And they'll try to impeach president trump on process.
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- They'll have no evidence he committed any real crimes,
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- But they'll say he sabotaged the epstein files.
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- Time to impeach him.
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- And here's going to be a big joke.
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- And there's so much more to this.
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- And i'm
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- Going to keep unpacking it in the next segment,
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- Because there's
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- So much more to this that they're not telling you.
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- It's just, i don't want to do a selfie video.
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- We're going to get this all out because it's rotting
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- People's brains, especially gen z's brain.
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- So we're going to keep going.
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- So we're going to keep going.
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- So npr
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- Releases a bombshell on the day of the state of the union.
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- We don't talk about it because we're talking
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- About the state of the union.
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- Meanwhile, lefty tiktok, lefty twitter, blue sky,
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- All this stuff, they're fixated on it.
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- I get into an argument
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- With this prominent tv host is left leaning.
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- Good.
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- Good person, good person.
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- But, you know, left.
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- So anyways, i have this revelation.
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- This is all they care about.
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- Epstein. epstein.
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- Epstein. trump. trump. trump.
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- So they claim, again, just to reiterate that they
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- That trump left this stuff out.
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- The doj on purpose to protect president trump.
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- Here's what they're not telling you.
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- So let's let's deal again with the allegations of these
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- These women that they claim
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- Are removed from the epstein files.
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- One is a woman who called the fbi with a crap photo
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- Of a widely distributed
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- Photograph of epstein and trump.
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- Okay,
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- A woman
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- Who sued the epstein estate and dismissed her claims in 2021.
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- A woman, then the third, a woman who claims
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- She was abused by trump but refused to cooperate.
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- In other words, total nothing burger
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- From a drag outlet empire who's probably just upset
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- That the feds pulled their funding.
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- Okay,
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- So none of this is actually problematic
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- From a legal standpoint for president trump.
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- Okay.
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- But the allegation is he removed these documents
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- Or is doj was doing his bidding to protect him?
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- Well, here's the thing.
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- There is massive issues.
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- And this is even admitted in the npr, article
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- With the timeline that the doj was given under statute
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- From congress on this transparency act
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- To get out the 3 million documents.
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- Okay, 3 million documents had to get out.
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- And there have been thousands and thousands of documents
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- That were published
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- And then pulled
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- Down from the site
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- And then republished a week or two later.
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- Because what's happening is all of the victims
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- Legal teams and some of the victims
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- Directly are saying, hey, you put in personally identifiable
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- Information in these documents.
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- You were supposed to redact them.
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- And the doj is saying, we're working around the clock
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- In good faith
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- To pull down any documents that identify victims.
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- Okay, so if we made a mistake, we're sorry.
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- We were trying to part.
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- We were trying to, in good faith, meet the statute
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- Deadline to release these documents.
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- It was impossible to do this perfectly.
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- So we're
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- Pulling these documents down and putting them back up.
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- Okay, so here, let me give you a couple examples.
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- One of these interviews
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- That they're saying was removed to protect trump was removed
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- From the doj's
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- Public files sometime after initial publication
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- On january 30th.
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- So they didn't keep them out originally.
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- They just removed them after the fact
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- And was republished on february 19th.
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- According to document metadata.
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- The justice department told npr,
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- The only reason any file
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- Has been temporarily removed is that
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- It has been flagged by a victim
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- Or their counsel for additional review.
- 00:10:30.188 --> 00:10:33.057
- Multiple fbi interviews with other people
- 00:10:33.057 --> 00:10:35.426
- Referred to the second woman's meeting with trump
- 00:10:35.426 --> 00:10:37.762
- While she was a minor, and being abused by epstein.
- 00:10:37.762 --> 00:10:40.732
- One interview
- 00:10:40.732 --> 00:10:41.699
- With a fleeting mention of trump was removed
- 00:10:41.699 --> 00:10:43.434
- From the public database
- 00:10:43.434 --> 00:10:44.368
- And subsequently restored last week.
- 00:10:44.368 --> 00:10:46.170
- So they're even admitting
- 00:10:46.170 --> 00:10:47.305
- That the fbi is pulling things down, putting it back up
- 00:10:47.305 --> 00:10:49.741
- When they get complaints
- 00:10:49.741 --> 00:10:50.908
- About personally identifiable information.
- 00:10:50.908 --> 00:10:53.778
- This is so.
- 00:10:53.778 --> 00:10:54.679
- So let me just give you an insight.
- 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:55.847
- This is a lawyer of one of the victims
- 00:10:55.847 --> 00:10:58.149
- That is quoted in the npr piece.
- 00:10:58.149 --> 00:11:00.017
- His name is robert glassman.
- 00:11:00.017 --> 00:11:01.919
- He says the whole thing is ridiculous.
- 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:03.488
- He told npr the doj was ordered to release information
- 00:11:03.488 --> 00:11:06.624
- To the public to be transparent about epstein
- 00:11:06.624 --> 00:11:08.626
- And maxwell's criminal enterprise network.
- 00:11:08.626 --> 00:11:10.328
- Instead, they released the names of courageous victims
- 00:11:10.328 --> 00:11:13.231
- Who have fought hard for decades to remain anonymous
- 00:11:13.231 --> 00:11:16.267
- And out of the limelight.
- 00:11:16.267 --> 00:11:17.468
- Whether the disclosures were inadvertent or not,
- 00:11:17.468 --> 00:11:19.670
- They had one job to do here, and they didn't do it.
- 00:11:19.670 --> 00:11:22.273
- A doj spokesman replied to this and told npr
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- That the department is working around the clock
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- To address concerns from victims and handle
- 00:11:27.145 --> 00:11:29.046
- Additional redactions
- 00:11:29.046 --> 00:11:30.414
- Of personally identifiable
- 00:11:30.414 --> 00:11:31.983
- Information that have been flagged.
- 00:11:31.983 --> 00:11:33.818
- What does this mean?
- 00:11:33.818 --> 00:11:35.720
- It means that the doj is treating this as a work
- 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:39.791
- In progress.
- 00:11:39.791 --> 00:11:40.658
- They release the 3 million documents.
- 00:11:40.658 --> 00:11:43.227
- People are going through it, combing through it.
- 00:11:43.227 --> 00:11:44.595
- The internet's combing through it.
- 00:11:44.595 --> 00:11:45.997
- There's a lot of crazy stuff in there.
- 00:11:45.997 --> 00:11:47.932
- Some of it's about bodies
- 00:11:47.932 --> 00:11:49.867
- Buried at the new mexico ranch that never been corroborated.
- 00:11:49.867 --> 00:11:52.603
- The fbi looks into it.
- 00:11:52.603 --> 00:11:53.671
- But, you know, the internet takes
- 00:11:53.671 --> 00:11:54.839
- That email and assumes that it's true.
- 00:11:54.839 --> 00:11:57.875
- They don't see that
- 00:11:57.875 --> 00:11:58.910
- The fbi actually investigated and debunked it.
- 00:11:58.910 --> 00:12:00.878
- Okay, so
- 00:12:00.878 --> 00:12:01.879
- But there's lots of this kind of stuff.
- 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:03.548
- Some of it has victim information
- 00:12:03.548 --> 00:12:05.483
- And they've pulled it down.
- 00:12:05.483 --> 00:12:06.984
- And then they republish it
- 00:12:06.984 --> 00:12:08.186
- With proper redactions to protect the victims,
- 00:12:08.186 --> 00:12:10.521
- Because the lawyers are on their butts to do it.
- 00:12:10.521 --> 00:12:13.691
- That doesn't mean that they pulled, you know,
- 00:12:13.691 --> 00:12:16.360
- Evidence from the files to protect donald trump.
- 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.297
- It means that they have done this
- 00:12:19.297 --> 00:12:20.464
- With literally npr
- 00:12:20.464 --> 00:12:21.566
- Admits this thousands and thousands
- 00:12:21.566 --> 00:12:23.734
- And thousands of documents
- 00:12:23.734 --> 00:12:25.169
- From the new release in january 30th.
- 00:12:25.169 --> 00:12:27.505
- So they're claiming that president trump
- 00:12:28.372 --> 00:12:32.109
- Is engaged in a legal cover up of allegations against him
- 00:12:32.109 --> 00:12:35.546
- It to protect the presidency.
- 00:12:35.546 --> 00:12:37.782
- Meanwhile, the doj saying, we're doing this on a daily
- 00:12:37.782 --> 00:12:40.284
- Basis, thousands upon thousands of documents
- 00:12:40.284 --> 00:12:42.687
- That doesn't even mention the fact that npr left out
- 00:12:42.687 --> 00:12:45.456
- All the exculpatory evidence for president trump.
- 00:12:45.456 --> 00:12:48.125
- Now, all that being said,
- 00:12:48.125 --> 00:12:50.962
- This hit job, this hatchet piece
- 00:12:50.962 --> 00:12:53.130
- Which is going viral on the left, which is gone
- 00:12:53.130 --> 00:12:54.899
- Viral on social media, especially with gen z.
- 00:12:54.899 --> 00:12:58.169
- Was intentionally time to derail the state of the union.
- 00:12:59.270 --> 00:13:02.840
- Now, we didn't make a huge mess about it here,
- 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:04.842
- Because we were focused on all the good news
- 00:13:04.842 --> 00:13:06.444
- From the state of the union, but it has to be addressed.
- 00:13:06.444 --> 00:13:08.946
- And here's what else i'll say.
- 00:13:08.946 --> 00:13:09.981
- Final word.
- 00:13:09.981 --> 00:13:11.215
- Now, blake, i don't know if you agree.
- 00:13:11.215 --> 00:13:12.950
- We do need prosecutions.
- 00:13:12.950 --> 00:13:15.686
- And we talked about this.
- 00:13:15.686 --> 00:13:17.355
- Mike davis,
- 00:13:17.355 --> 00:13:18.589
- Reed hoffman,
- 00:13:18.956 --> 00:13:19.957
- Bill gates, les wexner, anybody else?
- 00:13:19.957 --> 00:13:22.793
- That was conceivably involved in some nefarious activity.
- 00:13:22.793 --> 00:13:27.698
- And if it can be proved we are a nation of laws.
- 00:13:27.698 --> 00:13:31.936
- They have to be provable offense.
- 00:13:31.936 --> 00:13:34.005
- That's just it.
- 00:13:34.005 --> 00:13:34.672
- It has to be proven i don't.
- 00:13:34.672 --> 00:13:35.840
- Even with that,
- 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:36.941
- I would say, bill gates, you have a lot of evidence
- 00:13:36.941 --> 00:13:38.509
- That he was hanging out with this gross guy.
- 00:13:38.509 --> 00:13:40.578
- It should probably damage. and he had, he admitted.
- 00:13:40.578 --> 00:13:42.613
- Yeah, he admitted to having affairs with two russian girls.
- 00:13:42.613 --> 00:13:45.950
- No, if there was, it's not illegal to have affairs.
- 00:13:45.950 --> 00:13:48.119
- It's embarrassing to have affairs.
- 00:13:48.119 --> 00:13:49.787
- Prostitution is illegal.
- 00:13:49.787 --> 00:13:50.922
- So if they can get him on that, they should.
- 00:13:50.922 --> 00:13:53.424
- But if they can't, they can't.
- 00:13:53.424 --> 00:13:55.293
- Because we are a nation of law and order.
- 00:13:55.293 --> 00:13:57.929
- We are a nation of rules.
- 00:13:57.929 --> 00:13:59.230
- You have to be able to prove somebody's guilt.
- 00:13:59.230 --> 00:14:01.666
- And by the way,
- 00:14:01.666 --> 00:14:02.867
- That might be frustrating when you want to get the people
- 00:14:02.867 --> 00:14:05.369
- That you think did bad things.
- 00:14:05.369 --> 00:14:07.104
- But it's really, really helpful
- 00:14:07.104 --> 00:14:08.839
- When innocent people are getting accused
- 00:14:08.839 --> 00:14:10.675
- Of wrongdoing and have not done so.
- 00:14:10.675 --> 00:14:13.144
- So we have to keep these two ideas in our head.
- 00:14:13.144 --> 00:14:15.446
- We cannot give in to the brain rot that is infesting in
- 00:14:15.446 --> 00:14:18.883
- The internet space.
- 00:14:19.350 --> 00:14:21.085
- You have to follow the law.
- 00:14:21.085 --> 00:14:23.287
- You have to go by the facts,
- 00:14:23.287 --> 00:14:24.889
- And you have to only pursue that which can be proved.
- 00:14:24.889 --> 00:14:28.326
- And i listen, i'm all for what the uk is doing to
- 00:14:28.326 --> 00:14:30.594
- Some of their people.
- 00:14:30.594 --> 00:14:31.595
- They're getting people on processed crimes.
- 00:14:31.595 --> 00:14:34.031
- Fine. sure do that.
- 00:14:34.031 --> 00:14:35.733
- Did anybody leak sensitive information?
- 00:14:35.733 --> 00:14:37.401
- Get them on that.
- 00:14:37.401 --> 00:14:38.436
- Did they solicit prostitution? get them on that.
- 00:14:38.436 --> 00:14:40.638
- I think we made some good progress here.
- 00:14:41.505 --> 00:14:42.974
- We are going to be joined in our two at the top of it
- 00:14:42.974 --> 00:14:46.077
- By savannah hernandez, our tp usa frontlines reporter.
- 00:14:46.077 --> 00:14:49.413
- She's been exposing all this cdl fraud all over the place.
- 00:14:49.413 --> 00:14:53.084
- Important work by our turning point.
- 00:14:53.084 --> 00:14:55.353
- Journalists are going to have them on next.
- 00:14:55.353 --> 00:14:57.221
- We'll be right back.
- 00:14:57.221 --> 00:15:01.003
- We'll be right back.
- 00:15:01.003 --> 00:15:10.995
- We are joined
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- By one of charlie's favorite reporters in field.
- 00:15:12.429 --> 00:15:15.499
- And that is savannah hernandez.
- 00:15:15.499 --> 00:15:17.668
- She's a tp usa front lines journalist.
- 00:15:17.668 --> 00:15:20.237
- Always uncovering huge scoops.
- 00:15:20.237 --> 00:15:22.973
- And you can follow her on, x.
- 00:15:22.973 --> 00:15:25.042
- She's always blown up there.
- 00:15:25.042 --> 00:15:26.944
- Savannah, welcome to the show.
- 00:15:26.944 --> 00:15:28.879
- Thanks for making time.
- 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:30.247
- I know we had a little bit of a time zone mishap,
- 00:15:30.247 --> 00:15:33.817
- Andrew.
- 00:15:34.051 --> 00:15:34.952
- Every single time i come on this show,
- 00:15:34.952 --> 00:15:36.186
- We get the times messed up. so we're here.
- 00:15:36.186 --> 00:15:38.789
- I'm excited.
- 00:15:38.789 --> 00:15:39.556
- I'm very excited
- 00:15:39.556 --> 00:15:40.691
- To, to talk with you guys today about what we're doing.
- 00:15:40.691 --> 00:15:42.292
- It front lines.
- 00:15:42.292 --> 00:15:43.160
- We have good news for you, savannah,
- 00:15:43.160 --> 00:15:44.261
- Because i believe the times change again next week,
- 00:15:44.261 --> 00:15:46.230
- And it's going to make it all confusing again
- 00:15:46.230 --> 00:15:47.898
- Because arizona doesn't do the time.
- 00:15:47.898 --> 00:15:50.000
- Yeah.
- 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:50.667
- So we're going to be back up
- 00:15:50.667 --> 00:15:51.602
- Civic time, which it's going to be lovely.
- 00:15:51.602 --> 00:15:52.836
- Going to be lovely.
- 00:15:52.836 --> 00:15:53.704
- But let's dive right into it.
- 00:15:53.704 --> 00:15:56.240
- Savannah, you've been posting some great clips.
- 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.308
- You guys have dived into that whole, commercial,
- 00:15:58.308 --> 00:16:01.879
- Commercial trucking investigation.
- 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.783
- I kind of want to ask about.
- 00:16:06.383 --> 00:16:07.484
- Let's talk about first about your
- 00:16:07.484 --> 00:16:08.786
- Your guys's new, trucking mini documentary about
- 00:16:08.786 --> 00:16:12.256
- How we've basically given the country's
- 00:16:12.256 --> 00:16:15.059
- Valuable trucking industry away to for whoever wants it.
- 00:16:15.059 --> 00:16:18.429
- I suppose.
- 00:16:18.429 --> 00:16:20.464
- Yeah. blake.
- 00:16:20.464 --> 00:16:21.598
- So, honestly, the reason why i got interested in this
- 00:16:21.598 --> 00:16:23.500
- Is because i live in austin, texas, and last year,
- 00:16:23.500 --> 00:16:26.270
- And eritrean migrant, slammed into stop traffic.
- 00:16:26.270 --> 00:16:29.406
- He ended up causing an 18 car pileup,
- 00:16:29.406 --> 00:16:31.775
- Killing a four year old and an infant.
- 00:16:31.775 --> 00:16:33.544
- I was mortified, and i've been scared
- 00:16:33.544 --> 00:16:35.279
- To drive on the highway since.
- 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:36.814
- Now, this is a continued pattern that's been happening,
- 00:16:36.814 --> 00:16:40.184
- And we've seen americans die again and again and again.
- 00:16:40.184 --> 00:16:42.886
- And many people are asking the question, how are illegal
- 00:16:42.886 --> 00:16:45.589
- Immigrants, being given permission
- 00:16:45.589 --> 00:16:48.559
- To drive 80,000 pound semi trucks on the highways?
- 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:51.328
- So that's what this documentary highlights and entails.
- 00:16:51.328 --> 00:16:54.431
- And when i first
- 00:16:54.431 --> 00:16:55.532
- Asked this question, i was thinking, okay, you know,
- 00:16:55.532 --> 00:16:57.868
- Maybe there was a little loophole
- 00:16:57.868 --> 00:16:59.603
- That got exploited and that's it.
- 00:16:59.603 --> 00:17:01.772
- But what ended up happening is in the trucking industry,
- 00:17:01.772 --> 00:17:04.942
- We unveiled a web of fraud so vast that
- 00:17:04.942 --> 00:17:07.744
- This actually just scratches the surface.
- 00:17:07.744 --> 00:17:10.647
- And what we focused in on here were, again, the federal motor
- 00:17:10.647 --> 00:17:13.684
- Carrier safety administration or the csa for short.
- 00:17:13.684 --> 00:17:16.820
- A lot of the regulations that they have been relaxing
- 00:17:16.820 --> 00:17:20.390
- Over the last ten years that have led to cdl mills, aka
- 00:17:20.390 --> 00:17:24.394
- Shady cdl schools that have been handing out
- 00:17:24.394 --> 00:17:26.630
- These licenses to migrants
- 00:17:26.630 --> 00:17:28.232
- Like candy,
- 00:17:28.232 --> 00:17:29.333
- Leading to the highway system that we have today,
- 00:17:29.333 --> 00:17:32.669
- Where you had a migrant just yesterday in missouri
- 00:17:32.669 --> 00:17:35.739
- That was driving the wrong way
- 00:17:35.739 --> 00:17:37.074
- On the highway for over three miles.
- 00:17:37.074 --> 00:17:39.510
- So, this documentary delves into all of it.
- 00:17:39.510 --> 00:17:43.180
- And what we found was shocking
- 00:17:43.180 --> 00:17:44.548
- Because i'm
- 00:17:44.548 --> 00:17:45.749
- Talking entire cdl schools with tiktok pages of migrants
- 00:17:45.749 --> 00:17:48.552
- That are
- 00:17:48.552 --> 00:17:49.653
- Advertising these cdl programs in different languages.
- 00:17:49.653 --> 00:17:52.756
- Now, what i found is that basically the smc
- 00:17:52.756 --> 00:17:55.926
- Psa was like, hey, we're going to go ahead
- 00:17:55.926 --> 00:17:57.828
- And allow cdl schools to self-certify
- 00:17:57.828 --> 00:17:59.963
- Because during covid 19,
- 00:17:59.963 --> 00:18:01.431
- There was this trucker shortage, right?
- 00:18:01.431 --> 00:18:03.267
- This was something that was really pushed.
- 00:18:03.267 --> 00:18:04.968
- And in the trucking industry, these truckers stated,
- 00:18:04.968 --> 00:18:07.437
- Yeah, there was a small shortage.
- 00:18:07.437 --> 00:18:08.772
- But what ended up happening was this fear was exploited
- 00:18:08.772 --> 00:18:11.708
- To mass import cheap foreign labor.
- 00:18:11.708 --> 00:18:14.244
- And what you're seeing on screen
- 00:18:14.244 --> 00:18:15.512
- Now are these shady cdl schools in which migrants came in
- 00:18:15.512 --> 00:18:19.149
- The the csa relax those regulations?
- 00:18:19.149 --> 00:18:21.785
- We went from 2100 cdl schools
- 00:18:21.785 --> 00:18:24.488
- To over 32,000 cdl schools within a matter of years.
- 00:18:24.488 --> 00:18:29.459
- Yes, because of this self-certification.
- 00:18:29.459 --> 00:18:31.562
- And it gets even worse than that
- 00:18:31.562 --> 00:18:33.130
- Because the csa then said, hey, by the way,
- 00:18:33.130 --> 00:18:35.532
- You can also become a third party tester.
- 00:18:35.532 --> 00:18:37.734
- So basically someone can go to your cdl school
- 00:18:37.734 --> 00:18:40.771
- And then you can give them a certificate
- 00:18:40.771 --> 00:18:42.206
- From the school,
- 00:18:42.206 --> 00:18:42.973
- And they can take that to the dmv
- 00:18:42.973 --> 00:18:44.508
- And then they can get their license.
- 00:18:44.508 --> 00:18:46.210
- Now the way that this is an interconnected web of fraud
- 00:18:46.210 --> 00:18:48.912
- Is you have migrants who come over to the united states,
- 00:18:48.912 --> 00:18:51.648
- They start a trucking company, they sponsor migrants
- 00:18:51.648 --> 00:18:54.351
- From the foreign countries that they're from to attend
- 00:18:54.351 --> 00:18:57.454
- Or to work at their trucking companies.
- 00:18:57.454 --> 00:18:59.089
- They send them to a migrant run cdl school.
- 00:18:59.089 --> 00:19:01.491
- They're fast tracked for the cdl.
- 00:19:01.491 --> 00:19:03.260
- There's corruption at the dmv sometimes,
- 00:19:03.260 --> 00:19:05.262
- So they're able to maybe even just buy that cdl license, or
- 00:19:05.262 --> 00:19:08.065
- They're passing the program in 3 to 10 days.
- 00:19:08.065 --> 00:19:11.468
- By the way, per actual truckers, it takes a lot
- 00:19:11.468 --> 00:19:14.605
- Longer than 3 to 10 days to get your cdl certification.
- 00:19:14.605 --> 00:19:17.574
- Pause.
- 00:19:17.574 --> 00:19:18.408
- You're okay.
- 00:19:18.408 --> 00:19:19.910
- You're saying they get a cdl in 3 to 10 days
- 00:19:19.910 --> 00:19:23.046
- And they don't even speak english?
- 00:19:23.046 --> 00:19:24.248
- So this is what they are saying in these reviews.
- 00:19:25.249 --> 00:19:28.285
- And yes, again,
- 00:19:28.285 --> 00:19:29.720
- This is why this was shocking, andrew, because,
- 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:31.855
- Danielle chaffin, she's who i interviewed for this.
- 00:19:31.855 --> 00:19:34.424
- She was saying that the reviews for cdl schools across
- 00:19:34.424 --> 00:19:37.594
- The nation are a goldmine because one,
- 00:19:37.594 --> 00:19:39.563
- Every single review
- 00:19:39.563 --> 00:19:40.564
- Is written in a name that is not american.
- 00:19:40.564 --> 00:19:43.400
- Very clearly.
- 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:44.301
- And then the reviews and the students
- 00:19:44.301 --> 00:19:46.370
- Are writing in those reviews, how many days it took them
- 00:19:46.370 --> 00:19:49.006
- To get their cdl certification from the schools?
- 00:19:49.006 --> 00:19:51.642
- We have seen reviews that say three days.
- 00:19:51.642 --> 00:19:53.510
- We have seen reviews that say ten days.
- 00:19:53.510 --> 00:19:55.879
- And so these programs, pretty much offer a fast track cdl.
- 00:19:55.879 --> 00:20:00.417
- And this is
- 00:20:00.417 --> 00:20:01.618
- Again, just this really danger, this web that's going on.
- 00:20:01.618 --> 00:20:05.455
- And these migrants have done a really great job of coming in
- 00:20:05.455 --> 00:20:08.392
- And embedding,
- 00:20:08.392 --> 00:20:09.459
- Creating these schools, creating these companies.
- 00:20:09.459 --> 00:20:11.595
- And again, this is just the cdl side.
- 00:20:11.595 --> 00:20:13.764
- We also have trucking companies,
- 00:20:13.764 --> 00:20:15.499
- Hundreds of them across the nation
- 00:20:15.499 --> 00:20:17.301
- That are registered under the name no name given.
- 00:20:17.301 --> 00:20:20.103
- And that's where these many reports
- 00:20:20.103 --> 00:20:21.371
- That i've been posting on my x
- 00:20:21.371 --> 00:20:22.439
- Account have come from,
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- Where you have trucking companies
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- That are getting $618,000 in loans,
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- And the company doesn't really seem legitimate.
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- One of the
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- Most insane stories, yes, was out of columbus, ohio.
- 00:20:32.783 --> 00:20:37.087
- This was jamal trucking company.
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- They got a $314,000 pep loan.
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- They were only open for three months.
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- There was no activity on their, company.
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- And just a couple months after getting that pep loan,
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- Their operating authority
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- To operate trucks on the road was revoked.
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- And they were ultimately shut down by the dot
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- Because they refused to prove that they were
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- A legitimate trucking company.
- 00:20:56.139 --> 00:20:57.574
- So, again,
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- The portion that i was speaking
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- About regarding the cdl schools,
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- That is just one aspect of this,
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- The fraudulent trucking companies,
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- Because in some cases, you have
- 00:21:05.415 --> 00:21:06.783
- 600 companies in california registered to one address.
- 00:21:06.783 --> 00:21:10.587
- That's another aspect of this.
- 00:21:10.587 --> 00:21:12.489
- These companies are breaking into our loads.
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- They're using workforce development program grants.
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- Millions of dollars
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- Are being poured into this industry as well.
- 00:21:19.796 --> 00:21:22.199
- But, to be honest, i think most importantly,
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- You have unqualified migrant drivers on the road
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- Who do not speak english,
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- Do not understand the metric system
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- Here in the united states of america.
- 00:21:31.241 --> 00:21:32.809
- I mean, andrew, think about going to germany right now.
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- Think about going to russia right now
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- Or to india and trying to drive an 80,000 pound semi
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- Truck on their road.
- 00:21:40.250 --> 00:21:41.218
- Are you going to be able to read their signs?
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- Are you going to understand the measurement of their bridges.
- 00:21:42.886 --> 00:21:45.255
- No you're not.
- 00:21:45.255 --> 00:21:46.089
- And that's what we're doing right now
- 00:21:46.089 --> 00:21:47.391
- Is importing people from these foreign countries
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- And throwing them on our roads.
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- By the way, sorry to ramble on about this.
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- Lots of information here, but,
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- A lot
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- Of these migrant trucking companies as well.
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- The let me phrase is correctly,
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- The largest amount of countries that are tied to stolen
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- Freight from the united states.
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- It is people from those countries that are driving here
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- In the united states. exactly.
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- And i even with your analogy,
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- At least
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- If i were to go to india and try to drive a truck,
- 00:22:14.818 --> 00:22:16.453
- I have been driving for decades.
- 00:22:16.453 --> 00:22:18.422
- But it occurs to me
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- A lot of these people come to the united states.
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- They might never have owned a car in their home country.
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- They might not have driven regularly.
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- I want to throw up this image because you might have
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- Some thoughts about it, and we'll give you 45 seconds.
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- Let's throw up.
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- 581 this is something that went viral the other day.
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- This is the trucking companies
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- In one residential subdivision or the town of
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- Greenwood, indiana.
- 00:22:39.075 --> 00:22:40.710
- There's must be 50, maybe 80 of them.
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- And that's one subdivision he posts another in another
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- Just intersection in the same town.
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- And there's dozens more.
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- Is that what you're finding?
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- 30s just dozens of these things.
- 00:22:51.822 --> 00:22:54.357
- And what does that represent?
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- Yes. like and what this represents
- 00:22:56.660 --> 00:22:58.228
- Is something called a chameleon carrier.
- 00:22:58.228 --> 00:22:59.863
- So the dot gives a specific number to a trucking company.
- 00:22:59.863 --> 00:23:03.200
- That trucking company
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- And that number are tied to all of the crashes,
- 00:23:04.201 --> 00:23:06.203
- All of the safety violations to that trucking company.
- 00:23:06.203 --> 00:23:09.072
- So instead of shutting down when they are
- 00:23:09.072 --> 00:23:11.508
- Found to be in violation of something
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- Or they're involved in a horrific crash,
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- They simply change out that number.
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- That's what all those trucking companies are.
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- Savannah hernandez, tp, usa front lines.
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- Thank you for your great reporting, savvy.
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- We'll have you on a back again soon.
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- I know there's more fraud to uncover in, many states. we'll
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