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Charlie Kirk Today | Scott Bessent & Lee Zeldin: October 15, 2025 | Charlie Kirk Today | October 15, 2025
- Brought to you in part by the
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- International fellowship of christians and jews.
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- I'm andrew colvin, executive producer of this fine
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- Show, joined, as always by producer blake neff.
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- And i'm honored to say we are also
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- Joined by secretary scott besson.
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- Thank you so much for joining us, mr.
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- Secretary.
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- It is an honor to be with you, to have you join us
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- In this beautiful room that we are in the cash room.
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- Well, gentlemen, welcome to the u.s. treasury.
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- And welcome to the cash room.
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- Yeah, i mean, this is a
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- Beautiful, beautiful, space that we're in.
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- Its historic.
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- Apparently, they used to hold the the actual cash of the u.s.
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- Government.
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- We did when we had it.
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- Yeah, right.
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- When we.
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- When we had more cash than debt. right.
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- But but blake was commenting, that,
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- We are now 37 trillion in debt, so it's empty now.
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- But it's a beautiful room to do, a show.
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- And nevertheless, good and excited to have you here.
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- It's, it's an honor, sir.
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- I just want to start, you know, at the basics.
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- You have not had a chance, at least on this show,
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- To reflect on the life and legacy of charlie kirk.
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- This is, of course, would have been his 32nd birthday.
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- We are in d.c.
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- In order
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- Because the president,
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- Promised erica
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- That he was going to award charlie
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- The presidential medal of freedom.
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- On his 32nd birthday.
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- He literally moved world events in order to race back to d.c.
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- In order to to make good on that promise to erica.
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- So the floor is yours, mr.
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- Secretary.
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- Just expound on what charlie meant to you,
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- Your interactions with him, and what the last month
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- Has meant to you in this country.
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- Andrew, you know,
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- I was actually walking out of the vice president's office
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- When news of what happened to charlie, hit and, then,
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- The news that he had passed came after that.
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- And what really hit me
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- Was if someone wanted to,
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- Try to,
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- In the maga movement, the america first
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- And the turning point usa ethos, obviously.
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- You know, ten years out,
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- Charlie was going to be carrying the torch.
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- And if you wanted to try to end the movement,
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- The way to do it was to assassinate charlie.
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- And clearly this is what was on that person's mind.
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- We'll see if there was a larger network involved with this.
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- I have no reason to believe there was.
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- I have no reason to believe there wasn't.
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- And to me, everyone knows charlie was a family man.
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- He was a christian. he was a patriot.
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- But the charlie i knew, too, was also an educator.
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- And what i admired on the show was the love that he had
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- For all of his listeners, for everyone involved
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- In turning point, the for his country.
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- But what he did on the show,
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- And that's how i got to know him.
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- And one of the reasons i'm sitting here today is that
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- Charlie was such an aggressive and forceful advocate.
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- For me to become secretary of the church is true
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- Because of the time we spent together,
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- And his
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- Financial breadth and depth was incredible.
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- You know, he was an autodidact, he was self-taught
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- And finance.
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- And he passed that knowledge on because he he saw, as i saw
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- That what had happened to this generation,
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- This the group of young people.
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- And, you know, it's been a tough time.
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- It was the the financial crisis in 2008.
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- There was covid, but he was optimistic
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- And always talked about the future.
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- How do we get ahead?
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- How do we stay ahead and you know, charlie,
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- Like myself, believes in the system.
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- And if you believe the system works, which i do,
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- Which he did,
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- You want to bring more people into the system
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- And it's through education.
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- That's why i say he was such a great educator.
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- I think that's really well said.
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- He his if you boil down his mission,
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- His mission was about his faith.
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- His mission was about his country and his family.
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- But his mission was, in a general sense,
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- About bringing disaffected young people
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- Into the american dream.
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- He wanted them to buy into america
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- The idea of what this country is.
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- And you guys talked about that.
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- You actually had, i believe it was april alexandra.
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- You could fact check me on that.
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- But it was, financial literacy month, and you,
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- Honored him and the show,
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- And we brought in a bunch of
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- Tp, usa chapters from around the country.
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- And you talked about finance
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- And that, but so you have shown your commitment
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- To the same things that charlie was committed to bringing in
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- The next generation and living the american dream is you have
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- And maybe just speak about that and the importance
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- Of bringing this next generation
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- Into the system, into believing they can make it in america,
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- That they don't have to be,
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- Disaffected young people anymore.
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- Well, in a way, too, charlie, you know,
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- When i, when i was younger, there was someone called norman
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- Vance appeal.
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- And for those of you
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- Who don't know, president trump went to marble collegiate
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- Church in new york, and the minister was norman
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- Vance appeal.
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- And he wrote
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- A famous book called the power of positive thinking.
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- And in a way,
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- Charlie was the norman vincent peale for your generation.
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- And, you know, it's easy to be cynical.
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- It's easy to get down, the world is a tough place.
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- It's moving fast, but it always has.
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- And, you know, to look forward.
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- What can you do to increase your resilience?
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- Resiliency?
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- What can you do to increase your literacy?
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- What can you do to make your odds better
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- Of success?
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- And you know
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- That that that was the movement he was creating, as you said,
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- Just to be part of the system, to get people,
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- You know, on board with believing in the country
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- Because we are celebrating
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- 250th year, of the country.
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- And we got to get ready for the next 250 and it's going
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- To it's going to be the same and it's going to be different.
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- But but it's going to be driven the by young people.
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- And, you know, we we have to
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- Energize our base to believe in the country.
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- Because you know, what you see now and,
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- You know, i'm just astounded.
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- It's almost like there are two americas there.
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- You look out and there the people who
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- You know are full of hate and venom and
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- They're at these protests,
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- You know, like just the protests yesterday.
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- Yesterday, i believe, was the greatest
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- Day thus far this century.
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- With the hostages coming home, the beginning
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- Of the peace process, which no one said could be done.
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- And president trump did it.
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- But, you know, there were people out there
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- With that venom and, you know, vile behavior.
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- And then every saturday you look in their lives,
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- Collegiate football games and military flyovers
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- And people waving the flag.
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- And, you know,
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- It's almost like we're in a contest for america.
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- And charlie was determined that good was going to win,
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- That we were going to see the light,
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- And it was going to be through faith and education
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- And belief and family and country
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- And everything that got us here for the first 250 years
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- Is what's going to take us for the next 250 years.
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- Charlie.
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- And you shared a vision for main street in this country.
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- It's a vision the president hears.
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- It's a vision that is not.
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- He said, wall street's going to do just fine.
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- They're going to do fine.
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- But we got to get main street back on track.
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- And they they have not had their turn for a while.
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- And i believe that really
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- Impacts the next generation specifically.
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- In genesis
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- 12 three, god made a powerful promise
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- To abraham, the father of the jewish people.
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- I will bless those who bless you.
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- The christian bible tells us
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- That we have been grafted into god's family tree.
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- The rich olive tree of israel,
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- The very foundations of the christian faith,
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- The bible and jesus, whom christians call
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- The messiah, are deeply rooted in israel.
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- Supporting israel aligns christians with god's
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- Prophetic timeline.
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- It demonstrates our willingness to be instruments of
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- God's blessing, uplifting his chosen people,
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- And it calls us to confront and heal
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- The centuries old wounds of anti-semitism.
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- The scripture says how good and how
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- Pleasant it is when brethren dwell together.
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- You can be part of this historic movement
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- Of bringing light to our world.
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- I am andrew calvert,
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- Executive producer of this show, joined by blake neff and,
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- Honored to be having cabinet, another cabinet level,
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- Guest on the charlie kirk show while we're here,
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- Administrator of the epa, lee zeldin.
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- Well, gentlemen, it's good to be with you both.
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- Yeah, well, it's honored. we're honored to have you.
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- You probably.
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- And i you know, i don't want to offend anybody else,
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- But charlie
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- Maybe said more nice things about you, lee, than,
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- You know, just as far as your ability to be
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- An effective administrator of the epa, but,
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- Like, an effective operator, just solid.
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- He's so behind you.
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- It's just from top to bottom.
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- I never, ever heard him say anything,
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- But just wonderful things about you.
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- So it really is fitting that you're here on his,
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- What would have been his 32nd birthday.
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- That feeling couldn't possibly be more mutual.
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- The respect, admiration that i and so many others
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- Have had for him.
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- And, you know,
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- I shared a thought with both of you
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- When we were, together last night
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- About what's happened
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- Over the course of last month, coming across these parents
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- Who had no idea how much their sons
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- And daughters were greatly looking up
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- To charlie and paying attention,
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- Tuning in to this podcast every day, listening
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- To all of those videos over tiktok,
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- And learning so much from him and get inspired by charlie
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- And what's happened over the last month.
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- Not only have these parents had this epiphany
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- As what was going on with their sons and daughters,
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- But now those parents have been watching all these videos.
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- Mike. wow.
- 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:49.355
- And i gotta say, as somebody who was in touch with charlie
- 00:11:49.355 --> 00:11:51.657
- A ton, i appreciated him. but
- 00:11:51.657 --> 00:11:56.462
- Like when you when you saw
- 00:11:57.029 --> 00:11:58.631
- The response following his death, not just from across
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- This country, but around the world,
- 00:12:01.233 --> 00:12:04.270
- I didn't spend any time thinking about this,
- 00:12:04.270 --> 00:12:07.406
- You know, a possibility that we might
- 00:12:07.406 --> 00:12:09.842
- Lose charlie so soon and that you'd have that
- 00:12:09.842 --> 00:12:12.211
- Kind of a a a turnout, a, on his passing him.
- 00:12:12.211 --> 00:12:17.116
- I remember driving into the stadium
- 00:12:17.116 --> 00:12:19.952
- And seeing so many people who were walking the other way
- 00:12:19.952 --> 00:12:25.024
- Because the stadium was full, the overflow was full.
- 00:12:25.024 --> 00:12:28.561
- And, i mean, it's it was a hot day inside of phoenix.
- 00:12:28.561 --> 00:12:31.797
- These are older, older people.
- 00:12:31.797 --> 00:12:34.066
- But you could have filled up another we talk about this,
- 00:12:34.066 --> 00:12:37.670
- Because a lot of people that have known him a little
- 00:12:37.670 --> 00:12:39.471
- Bit longer, like yourself, saw the evolution of charlie,
- 00:12:39.471 --> 00:12:43.375
- You know, who was a little bit
- 00:12:43.375 --> 00:12:44.410
- More rough around the edges at the beginning,
- 00:12:44.410 --> 00:12:46.145
- Still the same passion and like warmth and vibrancy.
- 00:12:46.145 --> 00:12:48.814
- That was always a constant.
- 00:12:48.814 --> 00:12:50.583
- But you know what i mean.
- 00:12:50.583 --> 00:12:52.885
- He got more mature.
- 00:12:52.885 --> 00:12:54.887
- He got softer with younger people.
- 00:12:54.887 --> 00:12:57.156
- He became a big brother figure.
- 00:12:57.156 --> 00:12:58.457
- What did you see, from your vantage point?
- 00:12:58.457 --> 00:13:02.094
- Well, there was
- 00:13:02.461 --> 00:13:03.362
- He was a very good learner.
- 00:13:03.362 --> 00:13:06.265
- You know, a lot of people might not realize
- 00:13:06.265 --> 00:13:08.567
- Just how much he was always trying to grow himself
- 00:13:08.567 --> 00:13:13.339
- And become smarter, to become wiser, to study.
- 00:13:13.339 --> 00:13:16.775
- He when he was having this event at a school where,
- 00:13:16.775 --> 00:13:21.680
- He was challenging people to come up to talk
- 00:13:21.680 --> 00:13:24.083
- About topics where they disagree.
- 00:13:24.083 --> 00:13:26.819
- He, he wasn't just trying to bring out
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- The best of that person who was stepping up to the mic.
- 00:13:29.221 --> 00:13:33.125
- He was hoping that that person stepping up to the mic
- 00:13:33.125 --> 00:13:35.828
- Was to bring out the best of of him, of charlie as.
- 00:13:35.828 --> 00:13:39.965
- And he would learn from that
- 00:13:39.965 --> 00:13:41.533
- And he would get better and stronger for it.
- 00:13:41.533 --> 00:13:43.969
- So if you had to point to one thing
- 00:13:43.969 --> 00:13:46.372
- That would have happened over the course of that decade
- 00:13:46.372 --> 00:13:49.208
- That we were just talking about
- 00:13:49.208 --> 00:13:51.110
- Is that he was absorbing so much knowledge.
- 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:54.780
- He was just becoming so much wiser.
- 00:13:54.780 --> 00:13:57.483
- And so many of us in life, we just
- 00:13:57.483 --> 00:14:00.619
- We just get through the day and we have a job.
- 00:14:00.619 --> 00:14:05.024
- We have a family, we have a routine,
- 00:14:05.024 --> 00:14:07.626
- And we don't really take a moment to just take it in
- 00:14:07.626 --> 00:14:12.698
- To to reflect, to be able to
- 00:14:12.698 --> 00:14:15.367
- To pray, to, to grow.
- 00:14:15.367 --> 00:14:18.237
- And, and charlie was doing that
- 00:14:18.237 --> 00:14:20.639
- In his entire day, all day, every day.
- 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:23.876
- He was absorbing everything.
- 00:14:23.876 --> 00:14:25.444
- And that's such a great trait.
- 00:14:25.444 --> 00:14:27.313
- And what will happen is by the time you're in your early
- 00:14:27.313 --> 00:14:29.915
- 30s, you're going to be wiser than most people
- 00:14:29.915 --> 00:14:34.787
- Who are senior citizens
- 00:14:34.787 --> 00:14:37.122
- Who have just kind of dragged themselves through life.
- 00:14:37.122 --> 00:14:40.459
- So never becoming smarter and absorbing everything
- 00:14:40.459 --> 00:14:43.262
- They come in contact with.
- 00:14:43.262 --> 00:14:44.163
- Since it's, it's 32nd birthday,
- 00:14:44.163 --> 00:14:45.597
- A lot of people are sending in birthday wishes
- 00:14:45.597 --> 00:14:47.266
- And so many of them, they're writing them,
- 00:14:47.266 --> 00:14:48.634
- You know, to charlie.
- 00:14:48.634 --> 00:14:49.535
- And of course, charlie can still read them.
- 00:14:49.535 --> 00:14:51.737
- I like to this one.
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- Barbara,
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- Dear charlie,
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- Thank you
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- For never giving up on our country
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- And on the gospel of jesus christ.
- 00:14:56.075 --> 00:14:57.710
- I remember watching you on fox and friends
- 00:14:57.710 --> 00:14:59.745
- For your very first interview there.
- 00:14:59.745 --> 00:15:02.281
- I have been following you since.
- 00:15:02.281 --> 00:15:03.816
- I have always been a christian, but i didn't realize
- 00:15:03.816 --> 00:15:06.618
- That i was faithful, but not walking in my faith
- 00:15:06.618 --> 00:15:09.121
- Until you were taken from us.
- 00:15:09.121 --> 00:15:10.723
- Oh, because of you, i went back to church
- 00:15:10.723 --> 00:15:12.624
- And took our children.
- 00:15:12.624 --> 00:15:13.859
- Because of you, i am a better wife,
- 00:15:13.859 --> 00:15:15.594
- A better mother, a better person.
- 00:15:15.594 --> 00:15:17.429
- Your words made me realize that the only way for me
- 00:15:17.429 --> 00:15:19.965
- Was through jesus.
- 00:15:19.965 --> 00:15:20.966
- Thank you for helping me to realize that my job
- 00:15:20.966 --> 00:15:23.535
- Was never to get my children into harvard.
- 00:15:23.535 --> 00:15:26.105
- It was to get them into heaven.
- 00:15:26.105 --> 00:15:28.107
- Whoa! that was a great one, barbara.
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- That is a good line.
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- Administrator lee zeldin of the epa.
- 00:16:39.646 --> 00:16:41.881
- You are the 17th administrator of the epa.
- 00:16:41.881 --> 00:16:44.818
- That's right. yeah, right.
- 00:16:44.818 --> 00:16:45.685
- I saw that in your, ex, i guess, bio.
- 00:16:45.685 --> 00:16:48.955
- Tell us about the epa, because charlie
- 00:16:48.955 --> 00:16:52.659
- Was not a huge fan of the epa.
- 00:16:52.659 --> 00:16:54.894
- Was it the elimination of productivity agency or.
- 00:16:54.894 --> 00:16:59.065
- It was like the something like job elimination, you know,
- 00:16:59.065 --> 00:17:02.335
- That sort of vibe with charlie.
- 00:17:02.335 --> 00:17:04.104
- But you have taken it, and charlie really loved what
- 00:17:04.104 --> 00:17:06.473
- You were doing with the epa,
- 00:17:06.473 --> 00:17:07.674
- Because yours is you have this growth mindset.
- 00:17:07.674 --> 00:17:09.909
- Yeah. we want clean water, want clean air.
- 00:17:09.909 --> 00:17:11.511
- We want the cleanest water and the cleanest air.
- 00:17:11.511 --> 00:17:13.913
- But there's a way that you can use this agency and leverage
- 00:17:13.913 --> 00:17:17.217
- The tools at your disposal to really be pro-growth.
- 00:17:17.217 --> 00:17:20.353
- And so tell us about how you're approaching that.
- 00:17:20.353 --> 00:17:23.456
- So one of the biggest differences
- 00:17:23.456 --> 00:17:24.691
- Between conservatives and liberals is that we believe
- 00:17:24.691 --> 00:17:27.560
- It's not a binary choice between protecting
- 00:17:27.560 --> 00:17:29.629
- The environment and growing the economy.
- 00:17:29.629 --> 00:17:31.498
- We choose both at the trump epa, and that's a difference.
- 00:17:31.498 --> 00:17:35.602
- And have basically half of the president's deregulation
- 00:17:35.602 --> 00:17:39.606
- Agenda. wow.
- 00:17:39.606 --> 00:17:40.607
- And we're talking about trillions of dollars
- 00:17:40.607 --> 00:17:44.377
- Of deregulation in one year.
- 00:17:44.377 --> 00:17:46.479
- We will do more deregulation at the trump epa
- 00:17:46.479 --> 00:17:49.549
- Than entire federal governments have done across
- 00:17:49.549 --> 00:17:52.585
- All federal agencies, across the entire presidencies.
- 00:17:52.585 --> 00:17:56.389
- Just one of the proposed regulations alone, the proposed
- 00:17:56.389 --> 00:18:00.493
- Rescission of the 2009 obama endangerment finding,
- 00:18:00.493 --> 00:18:03.930
- If finalized, is the largest act of deregulation
- 00:18:03.930 --> 00:18:08.201
- In the history of the united states.
- 00:18:08.201 --> 00:18:11.271
- But while we're doing that, i'll tell you
- 00:18:11.271 --> 00:18:13.006
- The best announcements that we put out
- 00:18:13.006 --> 00:18:14.641
- On the 100th day of president trump's term in office,
- 00:18:14.641 --> 00:18:17.043
- Our top 100 environmental accomplishments
- 00:18:17.043 --> 00:18:19.646
- From those first 100 days.
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- On the 200th day
- 00:18:21.147 --> 00:18:22.315
- Of president trump's term in office, our next top 100
- 00:18:22.315 --> 00:18:25.552
- Environmental accomplishments from those next 100 days
- 00:18:25.552 --> 00:18:29.656
- And mean we're getting people back in the office
- 00:18:29.656 --> 00:18:32.492
- Or right sizing the agency.
- 00:18:32.492 --> 00:18:33.860
- We're going through reorganization.
- 00:18:33.860 --> 00:18:35.828
- When i came in, there was a over 16,000
- 00:18:35.828 --> 00:18:37.997
- Employees were going down to just over 12,000.
- 00:18:37.997 --> 00:18:41.401
- And that reduction we will actually get more done.
- 00:18:41.401 --> 00:18:44.737
- Of course you will.
- 00:18:44.737 --> 00:18:45.505
- With with just over 12,000.
- 00:18:45.505 --> 00:18:48.508
- Then the biden epa did with just over 16,000.
- 00:18:48.508 --> 00:18:51.144
- It's about priorities.
- 00:18:51.144 --> 00:18:52.478
- People don't understand the epa enough.
- 00:18:52.478 --> 00:18:55.982
- But you can either cause a lot of damage. yes.
- 00:18:55.982 --> 00:18:59.986
- Or you can be a good friend.
- 00:18:59.986 --> 00:19:01.754
- Yes to productive people.
- 00:19:01.754 --> 00:19:03.923
- Right. because like, we don't have that
- 00:19:03.923 --> 00:19:05.758
- That thought in our minds instantly
- 00:19:06.492 --> 00:19:08.561
- When we think about the epa, charlie certainly didn't.
- 00:19:08.561 --> 00:19:10.697
- But he trusted you to do it.
- 00:19:10.697 --> 00:19:12.265
- And he knew that you were the right man for the job.
- 00:19:12.265 --> 00:19:14.334
- Did did charlie
- 00:19:14.334 --> 00:19:15.335
- And you interacted all during the transition,
- 00:19:15.335 --> 00:19:17.103
- And was he encouraging you to to do this? oh, yeah.
- 00:19:17.103 --> 00:19:19.305
- We know no doubt he, he was, engaged
- 00:19:19.305 --> 00:19:23.476
- During the transition process and he had a lot of ideas.
- 00:19:23.476 --> 00:19:27.313
- We were very much in contact over the, the campaign and,
- 00:19:27.313 --> 00:19:32.218
- And the different ways to be able to make sure that
- 00:19:32.218 --> 00:19:34.654
- President trump was elected.
- 00:19:34.654 --> 00:19:35.989
- He had a republican congress
- 00:19:35.989 --> 00:19:37.290
- To work with him to implement that agenda.
- 00:19:37.290 --> 00:19:40.126
- But when the election came and went,
- 00:19:40.126 --> 00:19:42.795
- Charlie didn't just disengaged, he became more engaged
- 00:19:42.795 --> 00:19:45.698
- To make sure
- 00:19:45.698 --> 00:19:46.799
- That the right people were coming into government,
- 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:49.302
- That they were focused on the priorities of this president.
- 00:19:49.302 --> 00:19:53.439
- They weren't going to.
- 00:19:53.439 --> 00:19:54.707
- We don't want to do is repeat any mistake of the past
- 00:19:54.707 --> 00:19:57.076
- Where the wrong people come in, they're trying to sabotage
- 00:19:57.076 --> 00:20:00.013
- The president.
- 00:20:00.013 --> 00:20:00.913
- I want to ask you a different question.
- 00:20:00.913 --> 00:20:02.415
- Actually, there's a lot of news about,
- 00:20:02.415 --> 00:20:05.051
- You know, what's happening
- 00:20:05.051 --> 00:20:06.386
- With the virginia gubernatorial race
- 00:20:06.386 --> 00:20:08.087
- And the new jersey gubernatorial race.
- 00:20:08.087 --> 00:20:09.989
- You you ran in a blue state.
- 00:20:09.989 --> 00:20:12.759
- What is that like?
- 00:20:13.192 --> 00:20:14.027
- Are you
- 00:20:14.027 --> 00:20:14.994
- I mean, i hope maybe with the charlie effect
- 00:20:14.994 --> 00:20:17.864
- And some of
- 00:20:17.864 --> 00:20:18.464
- The things that you guys
- 00:20:18.464 --> 00:20:19.365
- Are doing, in the trump administration,
- 00:20:19.365 --> 00:20:20.900
- They're going to have some wind at their back.
- 00:20:20.900 --> 00:20:23.036
- I mean, what are you seeing in these?
- 00:20:23.036 --> 00:20:24.370
- Do they have a chance?
- 00:20:24.370 --> 00:20:25.505
- What is your advice to them down the stretch.
- 00:20:25.505 --> 00:20:27.573
- So i will have to be careful about how i answer this.
- 00:20:27.573 --> 00:20:31.144
- Yes. the understanding is our setting
- 00:20:31.144 --> 00:20:33.179
- And the position of every.
- 00:20:33.179 --> 00:20:34.213
- If there was a.
- 00:20:34.213 --> 00:20:35.415
- I think it's so important for conservatives
- 00:20:35.415 --> 00:20:38.618
- To get out of our comfort zone and not just speak
- 00:20:38.618 --> 00:20:43.222
- To the people who agree with us
- 00:20:43.222 --> 00:20:44.524
- All the time, but to go to places where maybe
- 00:20:44.524 --> 00:20:48.594
- No one in that community vote has voted for us in the past,
- 00:20:48.594 --> 00:20:53.533
- Or agrees with us and engage with them directly.
- 00:20:53.533 --> 00:20:57.470
- And you know, something that obviously charlie confronted
- 00:20:57.470 --> 00:21:00.907
- Head on, especially when he was on these college campuses,
- 00:21:00.907 --> 00:21:05.011
- Is and i may have been experiencing
- 00:21:05.011 --> 00:21:07.113
- This at the epa is that there are terms, words
- 00:21:07.113 --> 00:21:11.150
- Used in the environmental space that the left is used for
- 00:21:11.150 --> 00:21:14.721
- Organizing, that get particular definitions.
- 00:21:14.721 --> 00:21:18.358
- That might sound good on paper, but in reality is
- 00:21:18.358 --> 00:21:21.694
- Not what you think you're getting.
- 00:21:21.694 --> 00:21:24.464
- The terms like environmental justice, climate justice,
- 00:21:24.464 --> 00:21:29.402
- Climate change, they get a definition
- 00:21:29.402 --> 00:21:32.605
- And you might think that you are supportive
- 00:21:32.605 --> 00:21:35.641
- Of the concept, but actually the congressional democrats
- 00:21:35.641 --> 00:21:39.011
- Who are pushing those terms aren't doing
- 00:21:39.011 --> 00:21:42.315
- Exactly what that definition says environmental justice.
- 00:21:42.315 --> 00:21:46.052
- They'll say, hey, there's a community
- 00:21:46.052 --> 00:21:46.986
- That's been left behind. they need help.
- 00:21:46.986 --> 00:21:48.988
- Okay.
- 00:21:48.988 --> 00:21:49.655
- Like we all
- 00:21:49.655 --> 00:21:50.556
- We all agree, if there's a community
- 00:21:50.556 --> 00:21:51.858
- That's been left behind and needs
- 00:21:51.858 --> 00:21:52.759
- Help, let's let's all help them.
- 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:54.694
- But actually
- 00:21:54.694 --> 00:21:55.728
- What they're using the term environmental justice
- 00:21:55.728 --> 00:21:57.397
- For is to get tens of billions of dollars appropriated
- 00:21:57.397 --> 00:22:00.366
- For their left wing activist ngo friends.
- 00:22:00.366 --> 00:22:03.336
- They're well-connected,
- 00:22:03.336 --> 00:22:04.971
- Former biden and obama officials and democratic donors
- 00:22:04.971 --> 00:22:08.174
- So that they can just, you know, eat at the taxpayer
- 00:22:08.174 --> 00:22:12.545
- Till and and just waste away money
- 00:22:12.545 --> 00:22:15.782
- With reduced agency oversight in the name of climate justice.
- 00:22:15.782 --> 00:22:19.886
- The biden epa gives $50 million to a group called
- 00:22:19.886 --> 00:22:22.555
- Climate justice alliance.
- 00:22:22.555 --> 00:22:24.123
- They say the climate justice runs through a free palestine.
- 00:22:24.123 --> 00:22:27.727
- There are a lot of americans who would say that we shouldn't
- 00:22:27.727 --> 00:22:31.063
- Be spending $50 million on an activist ngo
- 00:22:31.063 --> 00:22:36.002
- Like that, american tax dollars,
- 00:22:36.002 --> 00:22:37.937
- Or in climate change, you have people
- 00:22:37.937 --> 00:22:40.740
- Who they'll build support with their definition,
- 00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:43.176
- But then they'll try to get these paths
- 00:22:43.176 --> 00:22:45.077
- Crossed to have more control over the lives
- 00:22:45.077 --> 00:22:47.547
- Of more of the citizenry.
- 00:22:47.547 --> 00:22:49.515
- They will try to bankrupt people who can least afford it.
- 00:22:49.515 --> 00:22:52.985
- And i think it's really important
- 00:22:52.985 --> 00:22:55.922
- That we as conservatives are reminded
- 00:22:55.922 --> 00:22:59.425
- To take advantage
- 00:22:59.425 --> 00:23:00.626
- Of all these opportunities to get out of our comfort zone,
- 00:23:00.626 --> 00:23:03.062
- Talk to people who maybe haven't supported us
- 00:23:03.062 --> 00:23:05.465
- Or understood us in the past, maybe meet them where they are
- 00:23:05.465 --> 00:23:10.303
- And talk to them
- 00:23:10.303 --> 00:23:11.504
- About these important issues because they're getting fed.
- 00:23:11.504 --> 00:23:14.474
- What i would say are lies that are deceptive on purpose,
- 00:23:14.474 --> 00:23:19.245
- And it results in
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- Abuse of power and and people getting taken for granted.
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- We're honored to have you.
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- And i know that you and charlie
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- Were close friends, and, you guys confided a lot
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- In each other.
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- And, so your loss is our loss, and,
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- I know we'll see you this afternoon.
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- Yes, sir. we'll be there. thank you for making the time.
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- It's great to be with you guys.
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- The poverty is unimaginable.
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- There are people who are struggling.
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- Those who are hungry.
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- Forgotten jews.
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- Scripture says joy can come in the morning.
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- And you can be the reason.
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- Bless these hurting children of israel.
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- Your urgent gift today of $25 will help rush
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- A survival food box filled with life saving essentials.
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- Tens of thousands of elderly holocaust survivors
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- In the former soviet union are living in extreme poverty.
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- Hungry
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- For god? the truly international
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- Fellowship of christians and jews.
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- We can bring hope.
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- It's my favorite food.
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- May you be blessed.
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